/sum/ pastebin:http://pastebin.com/HhU18gCWLibrary:https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQThe Dragon Book of Essex Official Soundtrack.>Prelude: Awake on Foreign Shores, Stetson https://youtu.be/6lZcVNLD-YY>KA: Death Posture, Zero Kamahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4IPZqrYoaU >Black Sun: Beware, Death Gripshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ>HU: Wild Frontier, The Prodigy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVV06jTYjeY>SA: Mark of the Witch, Hexentanz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjWakBmGWm4>BHA: Magdalena Solis, Magdalena Solishttps://buhrecords.bandcamp.com/track/magdalena-solis-magdalena-solis>IA: Combat for the Angel, Secret Chiefs 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cafWsO7sEp4>KU: Hunt, I.Corax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmL3kXSePQ>LA: Seven Nights of Tantra, Zero Kama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zamQfbC2GM4>TAN: At the Throne of Melek Taus, Lapis Niger https://youtu.be/FPZe7ajX_AQ>HUA: Valley of Absolute Nothingness, Cultus Sabbati https://buhrecords.bandcamp.com/track/cultus-sabbati-valley-of-absolute-nothingness>One Year and A Day: Prayer of Zos, Zero Kamahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz5ql87ls4>2:24 of silence >Epilogue: V.V.V.V.V., Zero Kamahttps://youtu.be/9hLVPKNOk3s
>>18916547Are the freaky dreams and dank music worth it?
>>18916558Yes.Especially considering under normal circumstances I smoke too much reefer to remember my dreams.
>>18916547These are dope af
>>18916563>smoke too much reefer to remember my dreams.This is a problem I sometimes have. My chronic and excessive consumption of mugwort seems to help, but at a price. Any healthier tricks you have, other than DBoE? (don't get me wrong, I WILL be initiating, just waiting for some stuff to be out of my way)
>>18916568It's literally been the ethnomusicological interpretation I've held for the DBoE; I frankly don't think I'd have grok'd the system without being able to put each syllable to a musical feel.
Goddamnit, I've been lurking these things so long the pics are starting to overlap
>>18916573African dream root.African dream herb.The fuckers in pic related (Coleus) that you can find in literally any supermarket.None of them have been a particularly good solution, though cocktailing nicotine, valerian, and melatonin is fun.
>>18916584>Madame B wasn't in the A.'.A.'.She wasn't. Her 8=3 was honorary.>>18916585I reuse favorite starters.
>>18916589I think valerian may or may not have caused me a seizure once (I may have smoked some speed too). What Pic?
>>18916563This is going to be fun going into with nothing but some entry level vajrayana and a vague smattering of libri.
>>18916598Yeah I'm pretty sure you're supposed to have more of a foundation than that to build upon. I could be wrong.
>>18916589>>18916595Can't even into relating pics.>>18916598To be blunt, I was not prepared for the ferocity and potency of the results. See the track for Black Sun.
>>18916609And you eat this stuff? Or make tea? Also while I've got ya, where does one acquire leavings of red wine? I was gonna just boils some down but i'm not sure if that's what is meant...?
>>18916603It's all good.The spirits will literally kick you off the current if you can't into it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAzlNJonO8
>>18916613>where does one acquire leavings of red wine>wine reductionsPlease don't make your cakes of light into disgusting grainy inedible wafers and actually use the recipe AC used.https://hermetic.com/kimbell/essays/buzz-about-beeswing
>>18916609>>18916616That's why I'm spending the next year shoring up my own praxes and cultivating that varja mind. Also money and access to a proper blood acre.
>>18916630If you wanna kill a few birds with one stone, study the formula of YHVH into YHShVH in light of Hevajra Tantra.>VAM into AVAM>Samarasa>etc.Good luck.
>>18916625Thanks for the recipe, Ape of Broth... is this a sub Crowley actually used or is it just the closest thing aside from getting it from a winery/one's own homemade wine?...are they not supposed to be the pinkish color I have seen? Is that from someone who used wine goo?
>>18916641The hard part is going to be trimming out the ritual fat for running it solo and making all that water and salt and goopher dust and rosaries and finding a wooden skull I can live with.
>>18916659>are they not supposed to be the pinkish color I have seen?Not at all, they should be FLUFFY and GOLDEN BROWN like a fucking CAKE.>Is that from someone who used wine goo?This is why Ape doesn't go to local bodies anymore because the temptation to shout down the plebs who can't make cakes of light or do resh on time is too much.>>18916660>running it soloJust do all the orations. That's what I did.DESU if your shit doesn't get itself together through the Hand of the Unseen Initiator and Hidden Intercessor, then it ain't gonna happen at all.
>>18916677I see. Dude, I shot another email to my local O.T.O and haven't heard jack fucking shit. I can't seem to find a number to call or a public mass schedule anywhere...apparently 2 lodges are the entirety of official O.T.O. presence in NY state...any tips where to look for this stuff? I don't understand why they wouldn't follow thru.
>>18916681>Pyramid Lodge has a new phone number!!! >We can be reached at (716) 491 - 9485
>>18916691Why tankya very much. IDC what anyone says about the red man, he's alright by me!
>>18916677How bad is the blowback if you wash out? I've been gently washed back ashore before and another was work way above my paygrade that required a a couple years of forgetting it ever happened.
>>18916706I dunno ask the GD initiate that I originally wrote my notes for whose vessel broke.
>>18916711I see, all the info is on their facebook, and not much is on the regular site. That's why I couldn't find it...I don't have a facebook but may be getting one now. Thanks again.
>>18916711What happened, exactly?
>>18916711Does he even post anymore? I took a couple months off the chans between that HU rite and him and the resident asshole hypnotist were gone.
Looks like there's been quite a bit of discussion about the Yezidi at Pyramid lately...intradasting
>>18916625RE: Opening of the mouth.It just makes sense... if you want the spirit of your Nganga to be able to properly communicate with you, why WOULDN'T you go for Opening of the Mouth?I'm so freaking excited.Everytime I think about Henre I get all crazy.Like, I just finished my arm weight reps, saw your response, thought about Henre and ended up wandering around in my pajama pants in my dads backyard eating an ice cream sandwhich for 10 minutes thinking about him.I love his gappy, periodontitis, missing tooth bad ass more than a fat girl loves cake and he isn't even here yet.As soon as he delivers, I'm gonna unpack him and lick his barren eye socket.Here, catch:https://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_variant.php?id=7071
>>18916753What if one were to acquire a hominid skull? Is that just eccentrically useless?
>>18916774I'm someone that has had a chance to see the entirety of human progression and evolution would have some interesting opinions and feedback.I would give my right kidney for a hominid skull or a common chimp skull for making my Lucero.
>>18916792Typo...Should have typed I'm SURE THAT someone....
>>18916753http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_variant.php?id=4300Been looking for one of these.
>>18916800It's not very straight but I guess it does the trick!
>>18916800Hey, I won't judge.I'm the one over here fantasizing about sleeping with a human skull between my legs and licking it's eye sockets.Rock on with your Walrus penis bone.
>>18916820Yup - that's why I opted out on the hominid skulls.Henre is genuuuwine grade A natural bone human skull.
>>18916547How do I use magick to cure myself of an incurable disease like cancer or AIDS?
>>18916858You make tea out of magical ingredients like hemlock and apricot pits...boom, no more disease.
>>18916859P.S. The disease will die approximately when the body begins to decompose
>>18916858An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
>>18916834Me and the lady have used my anklebones for FUN.
>>18916867Like, taking them shits right out of your leg?
Hey have a good night (or whatever time it is where you all are). Thanks for the help Ape, and thanks everyone for the discussion as always.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Greffl1UVYc
>>18916692If the number doesn't work, the have a Facebook.Use that
>>18916869Well, someone else's leg.>tfw necrophile>tfw cannibal
Is working with human remains purely LHP, or is using that distinction irrelevant?
>>18916859>>18916863Are you trying to kill me?
>>18917172It isn't uniquely LHP, but the RHP isn't transgressive and use is limited.
>>18917183Is being transgressive required to will work? To me that feels unnecessarily negative.
>>18917200>To me that feels unnecessarily negative.Gee-whiz, it's almost like we're TRYING to shatter socioculturally enforced codes of arbitrary purity.
>>18917446Ape I did the stellar transvocation wrong by accidentally using the Telluric spells for the stars instead of the Stellar ones, so I switched but now I feel less in contact with the spirits than I did before. Is this a sign that what I did isn't actually a mistake?
>>18916641>Hevajra TantraWhere should I start on the Mega to learn about this?
So I want to get some occult knowledge from the akashic records, how do I do this?
>>18917792tfw no qt demon to teach me magick and slowly destroy me
>>18916547explain to me in the simplest term what exactly is the YHVH formula as described in Crowleys Magick in theory and practice. It's kinda over my head guess. so what exactly is it?
>>18918398The elements.>>18917836Eastern folder. It's somewhere in the Vajrayana and/or Kangyur files.>>18917613No. The spells for HU are for HU alone. Not regular use.You'll see it when you finally start bleeding into the dirt.
>>18918692were is the astral projection stuff in the folder?
>>18918716I've told you, multiple times, that I don't keep one single AP file because each tradition is going to have their own techniques and your best bet is to follow one that resonates with you.
>>18918720sorry, I am busy and most of hte time there is a new thread by the time i check back.
>>18918722DESU half the reason I don't keep a folder is also that I can't find the books I used when I was a kid.So if anyone ITT remembers a book from the like mid 80's to late 90's with a cover that looks like Itzak's Swinging the Wild Pendulum that covers everything from sniffing glue to scientology methods, please link me to that fucking book.
>>18918727Ap guy, what are some good traditions to check for Ap just to see if i can find one that 'resonated'
>>18918748The two obvious routes are yoga and 'rising on the planes' with some tweaks as needed.Try some Oliver Fox in the meantime?
>>18918692Did you actually do the whole Pilgrimage in the blood acre?
>>18918727Maybe a more detailed description of what you remember about it would help. Are we talking about literal glue sniffing here?
>>18918762Hey Ape, what's a better source on luciferianism than Mike W Ford?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la7ymj94eyk
>>18918994Yes. It was breaking down Robert, um, Monroe's(?) method. Had about ten or twelve various methods to chose from.>>18919006Depends on what you functionally want.Most of Ford is ripped off of Chumbley, as is much of Current 218.
>>18919011I merely want to practice gnostic luciferianism as a spiritual practice.
>>18919012>"Gnostic" LuciferianismWhat does that even mean?If you wanna practice Ford's shit, then just do it.
>>18919017>What does that even mean?Oh, you're unfamiliar with it, anyway, does the youtube of doom 2s music remind you the book?We could go on a 80s-90s musical travel so you remember :3cI think I will just grab Fords books and mix them up with what I already know, then keep searching I guess.
>>18919023>Oh, you're unfamiliar with itNot really. I'm just asking you to define YOURSELF w/r/t these questions.AFAIK there's no "Gnostic" text which deals with Lucifer and if you can point me to one I'd be highly interested.It's my suspicion that "Gnostic" in this sense is just a stand in for "Chaos dharana". If that's what you want, you don't need Ford. If that's not what you want then we could potentially try to identify what you DO want.>i'm going to mix low quality occultism with vague suspicionsGood luck friend-o.
>>18919011Well, yes, Monroe.
>>18919028>Not reallyLet's see, luciferianism is influenced by gnosticism, so focusing more on the englightenment part and less on other aspects.Just my silly way to explain I guess.Anyway, you said it is low quality occultism, and I'm curious, you mean Ford or Luciferiansim?
>>18919017I don't know, maybe like LaVey could be said as being sourced from Christianism?It's the same thing with all signs reversed.
>>18919040>luciferianism is influenced by gnosticism[citation missing]Where? How? When? Substantiate your claim.>so focusing more on the englightenment partThere is no "enlightenment" in the vast majority of Gnostic forms.>you mean FordYes, I mean the guy who claimed to be the O9A mouthpiece who runs Order of Phosophros.
>>18919012>Gnostic LuciferianismOfficially more cringe inducing and ass backwardly "Special Snowflake" than even Raven Silverwolf. Bravo.
>>18919055>Silver RavenwolfThis name always makes me giggle. It's like she just three a bunch of witchy-sounding words in a hat, and picked three at random.
What software are we using here to OCR our books?
>>18919098Here I link this for your entertainment.John Michael Greer claims to have written this a long time ago.http://www.oocities.org/sheherazahde/Humor/PixieMoonDrip.html
Do you want a form of luciferianism that like focuses on an adversarial current that has a practice of gnosis, as opposed to luciferianism that is related to the tradition of actual Gnosticism? I'm trying to help here
>>18919052>>so focusing more on the englightenment part>There is no "enlightenment" in the vast majority of Gnostic forms.What is there instead, death and being free of the filthy filthy material world? actually asking
>>18919099I don't break OCRs.>>18919114>ape jape'd>>18919125Only about half the systems view the material world as "filthy".There's understanding of the Christmind and working to establish the Kingdom temporally. Salvation is an act of personal apprehension.
>>18916547Ape you have this really weird version of The Secret Teachings of All Ages in your beginners folder, do you have any actual interest in a scan of the nice version with all the colored plates?
>>18919150There is always interest, even if not from Ape. Just link it here.
>>18919146>Salvation is an act of personal apprehension.Sounds a little Zen Buddhist to me
>>18919153Well it's on my bookshelf so I can't link it here. I'm offering to scan if the interest is high enough
>>18919150Sure.>>18919155K.Even though it doesn't use Zen language, the word 'enlightenment', any of the implications of Buddhist enlightenment, fine, it's enlightenment, and I'm sure Mike Ford will get you there or whatever.
>>18919160For reference, what is the ISBN of your edition?
>>18919160Well if I wanted to scan the thing I'd scan it myself. I really don't think the plates are THAT important to the book.
>>18919162>K.>Even though it doesn't use Zen language, the word 'enlightenment', any of the implications of Buddhist enlightenment, fine, it's enlightenment, and I'm sure Mike Ford will get you there or whatever.I'm not the mike ford guy it just sounds a little zen buddhist, and I didn't use the word enlightenment. Buddhist source texts don't either, because they're in sanskrit. A lot of this has to do with translation
>>18919160You could scan just the plates in highres and link them somewhere.
>>18919167Don't have the ISBN but it's the big navy blue softcover one with gold lettering, if that helps. it's big, like the size of a 15 inch laptop.>>18919183That's a great idea anon, I will do that
To those of you that have done evocations before, are you supposed to actually see the spirit? What did you see and how did you assure yourself that what you were experiencing was indeed the presence of a spirit?
>>18919167I THINK it's this one, I can check though when I'm in proximity to the book https://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9780893148300?cm_sp=bdp-_-9780893148300-_-isbn10
>>18918692>The elements.wait what? is that what you got from it? how? so how the elemental weapon describe in crowley is different from the YHVH? and cmon /omg/ i was hoping for some in depth analysis or some kind of insight understanding. you are letting me down
>>18919228You asked for the simplest possible explanation, and that's what you got. It's significantly less complex than the "successive but self recursive hypostates" take.Spirit animates matter via the dropping of Shin (Sh) into the elemental reality of YHVH leading to YHShVH. These letters have been attributed to numerous four-part symbols, including the classic elements, cardinal directions, Tarot suits, and so on. The formula is often represented by the Father (Yod) joining with the Mother (He), to produce the Son (Waw) and the Daughter (He-final). Within Yoga it is possible to see this formula as describing the union of the subject and the object to produce the exalted state of mind and the resulting ecstasy.If you wanted more you should have said so. Jesus fuck.
>>18919102>Several years back, a gentleman of Lady Pixie's acquaintance told her that the best way to get laid at a pagan gathering was to have the PA system announce, "Will Morgan and Raven please come to the information booth?" Since the resulting crowd would include at least a third of the female attendees, he went on, it wouldn't be too hard to meet someone interesting.I lol'd, it's so true.
>>18919247>Within Yoga it is possible to see this formula as describing the union of the subject and the object to produce the exalted state of mind and the resulting ecstasy.how?
>>18919272See the first of AC's Eight Lectures on Yoga.
>>18919247And the YHVH formula also represents the succession of the four qabbalistic worlds. And I've also drawn parallels to the four stratum of medieval society (nobility, priesthood, warriors, peasants). As above so below!
How do I go about looking for OTO lodges in the UK?I can only find the AMETH LODGE in london.
>>18919313 go ask the lady who runs Atlantis Bookshop down the road from the British Museum.
>>18919313Also, not OTO but http://www.ordoastri.org/
>>18918722Also, you can always go to the archive, hit ctrl+F and type "occultism" to see old threads
>>18919203Check the /sum/ pastebin for what qualifies as physical manifestation (it mostly gives *minimum* requirements)
>>18919291>union of the subject and the object to produce the exalted state of mind and the resulting ecstasy.I thought the correspondences with medieval society, while questionable, were pretty neat.
>>18919291>>18919275but how to use it? can i get sum stepsno books tho; don't have much time
>>18919383lol fuck off m8
>>18919381shit I never even copied anything IDK how the greentext got there.
>>18919385why so hostile? i just want some simple step by stepbc u know. if you can't explain something in simple terms u don't really understand it
>>18919383>but how to use it?Literally just told you multiple ways to use it.The steps are LITERALLY in the PASSAGE(s) *YOU* CITED from M:TP.I concur with >>18919385>>18919381They're not that questionable.>Heptarchy of Angels>Heptarchy of Britain
>>18919383>please give me a complete explanation of the elemental formula>don't make it too long, and I don't wanna read anything by anyone else either>then send me someone to digest my food for me>and wipe my ass
How do we assume the role of the demiurge?
>>18919388I did.You didn't like it.>inb4 you spam six or seven easily google'd entry level questions like last time.
>>18919394>>18919391so no dice? hey i can explain the whole occultism to you guise, k ready? just read crowley lol
>>18919392I dunno, tell me how we can get the /fringe/ rejects too illiterate to read about they systems they constantly meme about out of these threads and I'll tell you how to demiurge.
>>18919377I have and done. What I'm asking is for personal experiences from you anons, not the pastebin.
>>18919400>explain [thing] to me in simple terms>k, here it is>well that's dumb, explain it better>k, here it is>but how do I use it>I directed you to how to use it, not to mention your original source which YOU cited explains it clearly>LOL, SINCE I'M BEING INTENTIONALLY OBTUSE AND REJECT ALL EXPLANATIONS IT JUST MEANS YOU SUCK AND DON'T KNOW [thing].Kindly fuck off, please and thanks.
>>18919390>They're not that questionable.How do we get from Heptarchy to IHVH?
>>18919404>What I'm asking is for personal experiences from you anonsOk.The pastebin was written by me and Frater...AMS(?) from a combined like twenty years of experience.Good enough?
>>18919404You asked if you are actually supposed to see the spirit and how you assure yourself it's there. Jesus H.
>>18919418This thread today is causing my IQ to hide in fear, and probably giving me cancer.
>>18919400How do you think people ITT learned what they know? Exclusively asking stupid questions on a South American Hemp Braiding forum?
>>18919408I'm just talking the 'social structure' thing.It pops up over and over again at a scale that's hard to refute with handwaving and incredulity.
>>18919428Ohk I see what you're saying.
I asked this on one of the other threads but I forgot to check back; does anyone have any PDF's on deities and evoking them?
>>18919422>/omg/ induced cancerIt's sorta like that Force Decay all Sith Lords cope with to one degree or another.I'm lookin' all like Sheev over here.Crimson iris and all.
Ape I feel like you've entered a special type of hell where like a flock of hungry ghosts have come to you to ask the same asinine questions over and over and demand information that you've already made super available
>>18919446You did get feedback, though:>it would be easier to list the books that don't have instructions on deity evokation.I dunno what you want mate.I dunno why there are so many 'baby's first' questions the last couple threads.Try Grimoires for spirits.Euro for Western Paganism (mostly Greek tho).Eastern for India and Tibet.
>>18919460Guess I need to do Chod twice this week.*sigh*
>>18917174>Are you trying to kill me?"To conquer death, you only have to die.You only have to die."While this is just a quote from Jesus Christ Superstar, I actually think that this is the truth.Study death magick - seriously!Life can't beat death. Everything must die.But manipulating death (its "energy"), you can win.
>>18917174I am the guy who joked about the hemlock, I am NOT>>18919510to be clear
I'm attempting to learn meditation and in the process I noticed a curious phenomenon. I felt I did much better today, and at a certain point I noticed an alteration in my sense of perception. If i kept my eyes closed my perspective in relation to the outside world diminished, and as a result I felt, and I stress just felt, as if my sized were was fluctuating and growing. It's a small phenomenon, i get it sometimes if i get really into a good song, but has anyone else experienced this?
>>18919510>Study death magick - seriously!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiu-2o-p0Ts
>>18919518Yep. It's a good sign!
>>18919518>if my sized were was fluctuating and growingLiber Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia, s.f. DXXXVI or 536.Class BInstruction in the expansion of the field of the mind.
>>18919526This was far less concrete, almost as if my sense of perspective had just been unmoored. It felt as if I were constantly growing, but I had nothing to compare my size with so that sense just amplified.
>>18919545Well, you can make it more concrete by hitting Liber DXXXVI
>>18919519Dude, no way! I was literally just listening to this song when I opened the thread.I don't listen to a lot of metal, but Cradle of Filth rock. And Doug Bradley's voiceovers are spine-tingling.
>>18916547I was just wondering what is the om g generals thoughts on werewolves? Probably just animal possession or illusion if there is an actual magical solution, right?
>>18919596>thoughts on werewolvesWerewolf a shit.Werejaguar is where it's at.>possessionThis, generally speaking.
>>18919596There's an actual magic solution, etheric projection.
>>18919624Or do what the Kanaima do and just kill folks until the spirit gets bored.
>>18919599so a werewolf theoretically/historical speaking would have been a magician just controlling an animal. Thanks that's intresting
>>18919633>would have been a magician just controlling an animalMore like the other way around.See - Dark Shamans: Kanaima and the Poetics of a Violent Death by Dr. Neil Whitehead.
>>18919633Not only.Etheric projection can be done in two ways, one where the magician is kind of covered by a shell with the format of an animal. and the second one where the animal shape is projected out of the body.Both projections are made of a quasi-material stuff called ether, which can interact with matter (as in footprints, claws, and teeth). However, this ether can be easily disrupted (think acid) by iron or silver.If you attack one of the "skinned" shapeshipfters with one of those metals he probably will suffer severe shock. If you do the same to an externally projected one, you most likely will end with a body somewhere.
>>18919637>Neil WhiteheadDied prematurely after a lifetime of studying shamanic assault, shocking
>>18919637so an animal would possess the magician or would it be a mutual trade/swap
>>18919657Yeah, I know, it's almost like the cults don't want you making books about it.>tfw my professor just gave me instructions on how to study under Dr. Whitehead's inheritors if I wanna go out to the Guyana Shield to study these cats>tfw he literally told me "We can parachute you in, and if you survive, you get a PhD.">mfw I wouldn't even come back>mfw I have no face
>>18919658From In Darkness and Secrecy by the same dude
>>18919637>>would have been a magician just controlling an animal>More like the other way around.So like the shaman keeps their form but is like "possessed" by the spirit of a jaguar?
speaking of animal spirits there is a truly incessant amount of crows all around me today. Staring at me while cronk-ing, flying directly over me, just like. a lot more than usual. what's the deal crows. got any cool crow books ape
>>18919228>>18919666>>>18919657>Yeah, I know, it's almost like the cults don't want you making books about it.Tribalism is a hell of a drug. Unless you're the CS and substitute it for telismatic print runs. Speaking of, is there an active CS? There are certainly active initiates fucking everywhere.
>>18919716They're smart and social. Feed them some cornbread and they'll bring you magic crow presents. Unlike this asshole.
>>18919723Lol. I was reading a book on bird-related shamanism and the author told this story of a seagull literally dropping a whole fish onto a book he was reading...like, thanks bud, I guess.
>>18919733Seagulls are white niggers. But then I avoid the sea because reasons so all they're useful qualities both mundane and magical don't concern me much.
>>18919718>is there an active CS?That's hard to gauge and I have yet to send my CV to Xoanon publishing.>>18919733>>18919716Warao Hobeo worship an undead Macaw Lord.
>>18919752Or the Native American, trickster crow deity?
>>18919752>>>18919733 (You)>>>18919716 (You)>Warao Hobeo worship an undead Macaw Lord.I know I remember from previous posts. I oddly had a dream last week about a blue macaw staring at me from within this like weird interlocking system of wooden sticks. It wasn't caged just like, sitting there, looking at me from a distanceI was like ...heySo no on the crow front then? Will accept wild speculation re: their symbolism
>>18919599I read a recipe for one of those werewolf spells, lots of poisonous ingredients that are surely cause hallucination hence explaining werewolves - they're off their face on drugs
>>18919752Send it in and start a curren. You're going to have to move somewhere less shitty if you want me to join though. Oh hey it's raining.
>>18919599>>18919627>>18919650>>18919637interesting, thank you
>>18919766*covineOr are they the same thing? Is the current called the Nameless Arte? Would it be a Companie or a Sodality? We use Webster's where I come from.
neato, apparently macaws get to go jaguar-mode
>>18919752Ape just do it, they have their address right there just for you. get some. *motivational jumping*
>>18919774>>18919752Apparently The Final Gyre of the Sun isn't a track unless it's the super secret name of the bonus track. Would be an appropriate name for a covine though.https://youtu.be/pfBd7J75L9cHave a Promise of Snakes again, instead. It makes me think of the heiros gamos.
>>18919801>herios gamosisn't that linked to sacred prostitution? Or something, I can only vaguely recall it in the same context
>>18919921>>>18919801>>herios gamos>isn't that linked to sacred prostitution?sacred wedding
>>18919921Yes, as well as Kingly succession.
>>18919924oh thanks I wasn't sure, its been a long time since I skimmed/read about it.
>>18919927Is "A.C: an Autohagiography" a different edition of "Spirit of Solitude/ Confessions..." or is it an entirely different book?
>>18919939The Hag is the first edition. The newer editions are the same shit condensed into one text.
>>18919716Odin is watching you.
>>18919939>>18919948It's a good read but fuck if you don't need a parallel text for context. Now I need some diary entries for the period, wherever shall I find those?
>>18919958>Now I need some diary entries for the period, wherever shall I find those?In the "diaries" folder of Aleister Crowley and the Diary film (9) from the Yorke Microfilms of the Warburg Collection.
>>18919961I was being facetious but now I know exactly where to look, thank you kind sir.Why is uncle eddy so lucid in his autobiography whereas the moment I get to libri I want to shit off his favorite climbing spot?
>>18919968Different audiences.Same reason Wakeworld's so different from Diary of a Drug Fiend or Moonchild.
>>18919958>wherever shall I find those?Good question. AC kept diaries for most of his life yet there are only a very few available. Why is that?
>>18919390>They're not that questionable.>>Heptarchy of Angels>>Heptarchy of BritainDon't have a lot of faith in Jones's thoughts on the Heptarchy.>>18919403>how to demiurge.Or how to stop.>>18919460Heh.
>>18919954>>>18919716 (You)>Odin is watching you.lol. Maybe it's the sun god trying to talk me into sacrificing a bull, like he did to Mithras
>>18919973>Why is that?The Caliphate doesn't wanna publish the materials. Why, I'll never know.>>18919976>Don't have a lot of faith in Jones's thoughts on the Heptarchy.My take is *inherently* less Anglo-Nationalist than the Dirge. It's still fun to tinker with, particularly in light of the geopolitical assumptions of Enochian (evidenced in Liber Asassiel).Funny story, Dirge tagged Keith 418 in some Mandaean related stuff today. Interesting as when I was talking about Mandaean stuff to K418, it's all uneducated garbage. But when Daddy says it he's waiting for more with baited breath.
>>18919972Wakeworld was lucid as fuck. Maybe I'm just used to reading shit written for literal children, but I couldn't see the difference between anything in your list.
>>18919997I don't think I get the OP pic...?
>>18920085>the OP pichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdt0rvkPMI
>>18920112>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdt0rvkPMIhahaha I don't have cable, haven't watched adult swim in quite a while...that looks like an older bump though I'm surprised I didn't recognize it. They use some pretty crazy bumps sometimes. My favorites are the ones with 'subliminal' messages
Idle bump just because.
>>18920220Hey Ape, what have you been focusing on lately? Anything specifically?
>>18920259Mostly trying to come up with a coherent ritual script and syllabic transition for ZHA/Invokation of the Shadow Selves.
>>18920270Oh, that and an asinine deluge of grad homework, but I just picked up a few more sources for my Amazonian paper.Also, I may have some leads on library update material in the ancient incantation category.
>>18920270>ZHA/Invokation of the Shadow SelvesWhat system/praxis does this belong to? Or is it something of your design?
>>18920300So the current magister of the CS, Schulke, signs all of his esoteric materials as "VOX BAETYLA". The Voice of the Stone.The final contemplative/practical instruction in DBoE is "projecting the shadow self" in which you work your shadow loose from your body and use it as a vehicle not unlike AP.Schulke mentions a rite called something called the "Zha Baetyla". Chumbley mentions a rite called ZHA. Chumbley performed it under eclipse.Totemic Invokation of the Shadow Selves was a VERY privately published grimoire from one of Chumbley's associates. It incorporates part of Chumbley's "Red Grimoire". TIotSS, of course, was performed between two eclipses.So, I have:>Fragments of TIotSS>Hints on the nature of ZHA>I know what (or more importantly, WHO) the Baetylus is>I understand the general structure of Chumbley's rites>And I have a convenient eclipse comingAll's I need is a script.
>>18920327Ape, you mentioned coleus yesterday as a non toxic sub for mugwort...I can't seem to find anything about its consumption other than it supposedly being a psychedelic...Anything you can tell me from personal experience (i.e. will I trip or just remember my dreams, do I eat it raw, make a tea, &c.?) I would really appreciate your input.
>>18920327Who do I contact to hand them dosh? The east wind is under my ass so all I need is a paypal account.
>>18920355Ah my old pal Erowid...I guess they really do have info about anything anyone could ever consume. Thanks
>>18920357>Who do I contact to hand them dosh?Who do you want to pay?I'd address all donations to Xoanon, UK or US depending on where you are, with a coherent note and cash or check.
>>18920357You can buy one of their books for like a ton of money
>>18920357I'll give you a PayPal address anon
>>18920375I need pix of the rite of ZHA in the next 10 minutes. 300 cash shipping included.
>>18920372Or you can just pirate what I can scrounge up because unless you have 5k and/or access to the CS archives, you ain't gonna see shit.I'm LUCKY to have ritual scripts from the 90's with Soror PA's blood and variant orations/sigils. L-U-C-K-Y.Everything on *that* end is privately circulated and when something like Green Gospel goes up for auction/sale it's sold as fast as it came.
>>18920327>shadow walkingSounds great and spooky. Hope your contacts help you out - I'm sure it's something we'd all like to know about.
>>18920382>300 cashThat won't even cover one third of a deluxe DBoE with zero (0) initiatory information.For all intents and purposes, *I* am your pylon for CS initiatory information, and I barely have a concept of their actual initiation.But I have the Encheirogramma so there's that.
>>18920383Write them a letter you silly person
>>18920327>>I know what (or more importantly, WHO) the Baetylus isThis would appear to depict the altar of a Sabbatic Working rising from the magic circle which has created circular ripples in the astral flux. The top of the altar has become gilded, blessed with the magical scripts and the icon of the trident eye. The conjuration of the circle is indicated by ribbon like magickal script and two staves, or columns, forming the gateway. The Wheel of Sight indicates we are witnessing this through astral vision. Sigils stir in the astral flux.
>>18920388Shit, may as well just get it from you for free and do it next year when don't have to worry about performing the summer rites in a park in copenhagen. I was just going to do it because knowledge should be free even though I know that faggot ain't CS and won't deliver.
>>18920413You should prolly ask jebus for hell(help)https://youtube.com/watch?v=2f1yqyXzGbM
>>18920410So, I can see and understand what you mean by this in the picture>gilded alter>trident eye>magical circle in the astral plane>staves/columns forming a gateway>etc.>I know what (or more importantly, WHO) the Baetylus isSo, shadow walking to Baetylus? Someone of stone?
>>18919997>But when Daddy says it he's waiting for more with baited breath.Eeeww.Will he cross? Will he continue to slowly decay? Fuck if I know.
>>18920437https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_(god)In the treaty between King Esarhaddon of Assyria and Ba‘al I king of Tyre in 677 BC, curses are called down on the Tyrian king if he breaks the treaty, including:>May Bethel and Anat-Bethel deliver you to a man-eating lion.The name Bethel begins to appear in theophorous name from the 7th century BC onward. Some, for example Porten (1969, p121), suspect it may be this god rather than the city of Bethel that is mentioned Jeremiah 48:13:>And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence.Essentially, I'll be erecting a standing stone as a Gravestone for the Sun.I mean, it's more complex than this, but this will suffice.
>>18920453>Will he cross?zozzle
Can you kill me with attack sorcery, Ape? No joke, I will wire you money, you shadowy shaman. I wish to die without making it look like suicide.
>>18920454Is this the middle eastern influence that was brought through Europe (and, eventually) in Chumbley's craft?Also,>May Bethel and Anat-Bethel deliver you to a man-eating lion.Is Anat a representation of the sun? Is that why the standing stone is important?
>>18920490I'm not sure WHY it's so important.Just that it is.I guess I'll understand when the Dragon swallows the Sun.https://youtu.be/4HeaxFaNZegHere's an excerpt from the Chant portion of the rite I'm reconstructing:**************************>“Chant of the Fallen Altar-Stone at the Black Noontide”In symphonic silence& black visions of deathIn exstasis becomingIn quickness of breathThe Wheel of PerceptionUnfolds for the FlameThe lips of the seekerThen utter the NameThe Chaos will partAs Wisdom then foldsThe thunder casts forthA Stone in the woldsBy midnight, by cunning& 8 deeds of the dayBy torment & toilBy timber, by clayAn Urn for the fathersAn Urn for the sonsA Snake for the HeartAnd the Wytchblood that runsBlack salts of deathWhite salts of lifeElixirs of poisonPanaceas of strifeThese powders projectedCall forth the stoneIn the cauldron collectedBeyond all that is knownSix times thou art cleave'dSix faces are hewnSix axes in tracing'Neath Sun blocked by Moon**************************************************************
>>18920506Damn dude, I just checked Home Depot, Lowe's, Walmart, and Wegmans (grocery store) for Coleus, nobody even knew what the hell it was...
>>18920527Show the mouth breathing fuckwits a pic next time.
>>18920529I mean, I did actually look and not find any. I'm gonna check the local florist when they open tomorrow, it sounds like a wonderful plant. I'm in NY so IDK if the weather has anything to do with it? I know I've seen the shit growing around here, I'm surprised someone whose job is to sell plants wouldn't know about it.
>>18920506That's pretty awesome. You're reconstructing this?
>>18920537>I'm surprised someone whose job is to sell plants wouldn't know about it.Lol, it's their job to stock shelves for minimum wage.Your region DOES likely have something to do with it but a florist should do the trick.>>18920541From my understanding of the materials, yes.
To the anon looking to go to pyramid lodge: We will be looking for you
>>18920570>tfw its ape
>>18920573>mfw Grand Lodge
>>18920551>From my understanding of the materials, yes.What I would give to be inside your head. Just for a day.I'm assuming these are inner circle materials, not meant for all eyes? Or are these from materials in your library?
>>18920587I don't keep Soror PA's paintings, what they mean, etc., in the library.I DO keep the public texts that mention ZHA plus a tiny scrap of historical stuff in a text I don't even remember the name of, elaborating on El, Dagon, Batylia, and whoever the fourth one is.
>>18920603>and whoever the fourth one is.ATLAS.It's Atlas.https://books.google.com/books?id=m5Z9BgAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&dq=el+dagon+bethel+atlas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVyJ6i4bbTAhUM5YMKHQivCsEQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=el%20dagon%20bethel%20atlas&f=false
>>18920570I shouldn't be laughing so much at this, my newfaggotryness is showing.>ultraskeptic ten years ago>but I always had a love-hate relationship with anime, hence 4chan>start reading doomer sites>find zero hedge>find orlov>find greer>now I'm lurking /omg/, scanning books that sometimes go into it>and fucking finally understanding and reading at Crowley jokesH-how did this happen?
>>18920623Oh hey lemme check the status of my loan request.
>>18920551true. Yeah I just went to another place and they didn't have shit either. If the florist doesn't have it I'll just sperg out and shit everywhere.
>>18920563That sounds ominous. I will most certainly be showing up one of these days, sooner rather than later...
>>18920623lurk moar post less
>>18920570That seems...inaccurate? I feel like alcohol always dilates my pupils and uppers constrict them? The end looks pretty accurate though.
How can i get ecstatic with the occult so i don't have to get drunk to go crazy on them parties?
>tfw I go to my local florist's site and they don't have coleus eitherwhat the actual fuck. I'll just stick with my toxic mugwort for dreams for now, I guess.
>>18920666>666What could go wrong?
>>18920673Not this weekend, ffs, I got my other 4chan friends all worked up for nothing. Goddamn you
>>18920700Huh? I guess i'm asking how to get drunk without drinking, with occult methods.
>>18920704Nah unfortunately I can't come til I change my oil and either get my tires plugged or get 2 goddamn new ones. It's a good thing I'm not like, in thousands of dollars of debt or anything!
>>18920724How many of you are on 4chan?
>>18920730At least 3 of us, that I have so far identified
>>18920766Cool. I'm getting a sense of O.T.O. and weaboorey being tenuously linked.
>>18920770I have found there is a giant dividing line. Old people have no fucking idea about the internet.young people, probably on 4chan.Or at least in buffalo
>>18920774Haha interesting... what's the age range out there?
>>18920777Nice tripsAge range is from young 20's to 65+so, useless. But there is an old guard, and a next generation. and one or two guys bridging the divide
>>18920788That sounds hip. I wish I could shoot you my email address or something without giving it out to the world
Blargh. About one fifth done rewriting a version of The Opening of the Mouth from the tomb of Rekhmira.I'm trying to figure out what a good substitution is for pellets of something that translates as "Cleaver of the Sky". It's not Natron.I've already rewritten the purification with Natron.Any suggestions?
>>18920792Have a nick on rizon?
>>18920800IDK what that means but I have zero social media accounts if that's what you're asking about.
>>18920804>on 4chan>not knowing how IRC works
>>18920811Yes, I am neither a weeb nor internet proficient. I don't even have internet or cable at my house. I prefer to read, climb, and enjoy the outdoors. I only come here for the /omg/ thread. Sometimes get distracted by the general retardation on the front page.
>>18920819When I'm on here (work computer), it's because I had a second at work or stayed late to chat. I even have just a flip phone.
>>18920819No offense to weebs everywhere, of course.
>>18920826add in Resh, various rites, hunting and fishing, and that's me in a nutshell!
>>18920800I've got to head home, it's cool to know some Pyramid folks are on here. I'll mention who I am when I'm ITT because I'm really interested in talking to you about this. Looking forward to meeting you all.
>>18920811>anime reaction images>not based western media
>>18919716You must teach them to do your bidding
>>18919596You might wanna check out the Morphosephram, although it's about shapeshifting in general, and not just werewolves. My copy is on my other computer, so I can't go into details, but irc it primarily involves a lot of meditation and sigil working.
Anon re: mugwort - you can make and/or buy a bundle and use it as a smudge for perhaps a more low key way to interact with that plant
Oi: Newbie here. Whats a good read to start with for a pretty new guy? Ive only begun meditating with the intent of awakening my thrid eye and gaining a higher spiritual awareness and would like to look into books or videos about dreaming and astral related topics.
>>18916547can i use pic related OP
>>18920795Anyone?Substitution for pellets of Cleaver of the Sky used in Egyptian Opening of the Mouth ritual?Cleave - meaning to split, forcefully split, rend.It's not something to be sprinkled - like the water or the natron...They don't really say what they are doing with it besides circling the object whose mouth is being opened while holding it.I could completely change this to a purification with fire, but I'd like to keep the structure the same and only change a few words or sacred names.I already tried The Google.
>>18922697Giving up.I didn't want to have to reference Budge, but I downloaded even though I have a hardcover at my house house.
>>18922781>I didn't want to have to reference BudgeI don't like it either.HMU, you got a spell number it's tied to because I'm not drawing up any really decent subs. I've got a Faulkner edition of Coming Forth by Day that doesn't have Wasserman's grubby influence and then a copy of the vast majority of the Pyramid texts.
>>18921467thanks very much
>>18920570he looks sort of cross eyed>no evil eye
>>18919596try werewolves-the occult truth by konsitanine
>>18921158>tfw when not posting cuteness
Look guys it's post-apocalypse Ape. "Hello yes could I interest you in a book on magick? No, you only seek food and shelter in these trying times? Oh...how droll"
>>18922781>>18922791Are you guys talking about pic related?
Letting you guys know that occult.bz has open enrollment currently. I just signed up 15 minutes ago. Be careful the admin are huge assholes. I've already been banned from that site once, for literally nothing.
>>18923864how hard is it to get in?
>>18923864sounds like a real big bowl of "fuck-you soup," if you ask me.
Hey any Pyramid lodge anons around?
>>18923864It looks like they closed it again. Do you mind inviting me?
>>18923864Why? Literally *everything* they have is available elsewhere, and they are massive cunts.
>>18916547Hey Ape. Do you have any of these in pdf on the mega?De umbris idearum (On the Shadows of Ideas, 1582)Ars Memoriae (The Art of Memory, 1582)and Cantus Circaeus (Circe's Song, 1582)
>>18924098Nvm easily found what I was looking for. Maybe I should stop being a spaz.
Can anyone please define "witch"?Obviously it has a negative aura, but what is really a witch?
>>18924573Link them bby I'm really lazy
>>18924812To my knowledge a Witch is technically just a term for a female magick user, although it may have some kind of connotation as well
>>18924812In England this was serious business.https://www.thoughtco.com/english-witchcraft-laws-2561890
>>18924895>femaleNot really. Plenty of male witches historically.In anthropology witchcraft and/or sorcery are weapons; they can harm. Most everything else is 'magic' or 'ritual'.>>18924913^This.
>>18924895Yeah, it probably has some sort of connotation or origin, nowadays every magic practitionner says magic is just a tool, which it probably is, but the first witches, who were they, did they have any strong beliefs/motivation other thanm as we see in fiction, personnal motivation, doing evil, etc?Because again nowadays there's too many different kind of witchcraft so it's way more free and can't be answered.
>>18924938>the first witches, who were theySome unknown tribe now lost to prehistory.>did they have any strong beliefs/motivationProbably.>there's too many different kind of witchcraftThat's probably the same through history.Basque witchcraft =/= French witchcraft =/= African witchcraft =/= Amazonian witchcraft.
>>18924944Why is it so hard to get a conversation going with an academic about historical witchcraft? Ask a religious studies professor and it's not literary analysis of mainline christianity so they don't care, ask a sociologist and it's not bushniggers so they don't care, ask a gender studies professor and there were men involved so they don't care.
>>18924996>Why is it so hard to get a conversation going with an academic about historical witchcraft?Because the second you start talking about it in the context of normative Euro historicity your career and social standing are at risk.Like, there's a massive academic publishing complex on Western esoterica but I can't get ANY of my professors to give me coherent advice on how to be the guy PUBLISHING those books rather than reading them. But they're more than willing to send me up the Orinoco in search of a shapeshifting murder, sodomy, and cannibalism cult.
>>18925002>I can't get ANY of my professors to give me coherent advice on how to be the guy PUBLISHING those booksThat may be totally out of place and dumb but if your goal here is to study and spread information for other reasons than money, why not use something as Youtube to talk about what you know instead of trying to find ways (apparently hard) to publish a book?
>>18925013Copyrights make a task like that sorta impossible. See the Golden Dawn Brick Clusterfuck.Maybe at least for that, we will have an /omg/ pirate version with all needed corrections.
>>18925002It's okay to dig up the skeletons in other people's closets. I think deep down they all know that they're fucking fetishists and if they did half of what they do, especially the eternal anglo descriptions of how noble said savages are, to people who look like them and speak the same language, their offices would be firebombed.
>>18925013I unno, mate, a few reasons.1) Different more and more permanent format.2) I don't wanna be another low rent yt cleb that gets threads made about them on /his/ and/or /lit/.3) I refuse to advert here like other fags who post their stream cashpots or post their new videos under the pretense it's a CURSED CLIP "oooOOOoooo".4) I may be wrong on this but I feel like my odds of a stable cashstream are better with some Uni than with scrounging for YT hits.
>>18925023I have a professor who ran a TYPHONIAN OTO magazine in America who *refuses* to tell me how to become a doctoral candidate in a decent department where I can focus on Western esoterica, but will send me ten references to professors studying African divination he wants me enroll under.
>>18925029Now, I know some responses here:>Go to the Netherlands>Go to the WarburgBullshit, there are dozens of texts I have in the Euro file by obscure professors in various departments across the globe, but they've already committed career suicide by being THAT GUY so nobody directs me to them.I could just do the legwork myself and start sending out mass emails but you'd think advisors would, y'know, advise.
>>18925029>>18925039I'd say go for the PhD in religion, but they're glorified english majors.They always deny it when I say it, but academia is a money game and the occult makes everyone who okayed it look bad unless it's about the oppressed and noble savages. It calls into question why funds are going to entire departments because it's not like their shit is any different, cf. communication studies.
>>18922791In the tomb of Rekhmira it's Opening of the Mouth sequence 7 or 8 I think?The reference I was using was calling it "pellets of Cleaver of the Sky".I really DIDN'T want to use the Papyrus of Ani, even though it more complete.The Tomb of Rekhmira is a condensed version that would be faster to complete.I don't have a good private space right now.So, efficiency is key here.The revolutions around the item while sprinkling and reciting I think will already cost me enough time.I'm thinking this is gonna have to be done in the wee hours when everyone else is asleep.>>18924812The ORIGINAL definition of a witch was a poisoner.Someone who used poisons against people, specifically the landed gentry or people of mediocre or higher class status.A poisoner could be a man or a woman of any age.
>>18925074Where did this double standard come from anyway? Is it really just questioning established history?
>>18925092>"pellets of Cleaver of the Sky".Sounds like falcon shit.
I'm posting this on the remote chance someone is interested.It is from a book I'm scanning, The Haunted Mind by Nandor Fodor.Fodor was a friend of G.R.S. Mead. Mead told Fodor of details on a psychic attack he suffered, on the condition it was published only after his death.So, here it is. The section starts at the last paragraph of the second page. 1/3
/omg/After bump limit...Don't you guys think it's funny that half the threads posted here on /x/ could technically just be posted here?
>>18925194I hate duplicated threads.BUT, I would rather most of the commentors on those other threads not be HERE in this spot where I have to put up with them.Eventually, I would just fruit all the way the fuck out skip time and throw this laptop down the hall.
OMG!!!! Henre is here!The box is here and it was left on the porch.I'm going to absolutely DIE!!!I'm gonna run and get it.
>>18925265Show dat skull
>>18925074Yeah and academics love shitting all over Germanic pagans, like Guido Von Liszt etc.It's like only brown people are allowed to be spiritual; any form of indigenous white spirituality is always framed as "rayciss."
What are everyone's thoughts on E.A. Koetting?Is he like the LHP equivalent of a fluffbunny?
>>18925518>LHP equivalent of a fluffbunny?Moreso this imo
>>18925518Pretty much. I thought Book of Azazel was kinda neat, but it's not something I would ever actually use. It's UPG at best, MUBS at worst.
I made a new thread! yay!
>>18916547I'm trying to begin working towards Knowledge and Conversation of my Holy Guardian Angel, and had a few questions How versed in Enochian should I be/where to start?Is this truly a 6 month process as stated in Abramelin?Is abstinence absolutely necessary? How much core Thelema should I understand prior?
>>18918281So I want this knowledge from the akasha, and the div general seems to be the types to think everything is a sign when I doubt I could just randomly scribble a bunch of symbols and make a portal.
>>18926041>Knowledge and Conversation of my Holy Guardian AngelI has question: How do you people know your legs aren't being pulled by some joker entities?
>>18925108>>18925111>>18925115I am skeptical of this story because of the words "lord god".
>>18926041>How versed in Enochian should I be/where to start?Could be useful, but not necessary.>Is this truly a 6 month process as stated in Abramelin?Should be.>Is abstinence absolutely necessary?Yes, properly defined.>How much core Thelema should I understand prior?Again, useful, but not necessary.
>>18925518I'm wary of any writer who claims to have a witch grandmother. It's the old "grandmother story" cliche; notice how it's always a grandmother, never a mother or aunt.
>>18926806I mean come on, does the witch gene skip a generation or something? :p
>>18926810Actually yes, it's part of the myth--related to the seventh son of the seventh son thing. More often you hear of an Aunt figure who isn't even related. I learned bitchcraft from my aunts and the blood is strong in that area.
>>18926810>>18926814In practice, hereditary lineages tend not to be full family trees, but adept members culled from the greater clan who keep it secret from the rest of their kin. In reality, most public practitioners are full of shit because that kind of attention is unwelcome and comes with getting stabbed and buried at christmas.