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Guys, I'm turning into an unironic flat-earther.
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>>20119773
Not a big deal, the world is flat after all.
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>>20119773
Unironic faggot, too.
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>>20119773
welcome to the plane, brother
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>>20119788
sir please stop censoring the internet.
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>>20119773
you're just still drunk from yesterday, take a good nap.
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Don't worry, the earth is round whether you believe it or not
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>>20119773
how does it feel to be a gullible retard?
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>>20119773
Flat Earth has some strong meme potential, but it can be pretty easily disproven if you know where to look.

A simple experiment you can do is star tracking. On a clear night pick a spot to sit and look up at the stars. Use a mountain or a tall building or some other landmark to measure how the stars are moving. You'll see that they're all revolving around a single point in the sky. If you are in the Northern hemisphere, this point will be above the north horizon and the stars will appear to rotate clockwise. If you are in the Southern hemisphere, this point will be above the south horizon and the stars will appear to rotate counterclockwise.

This proves the existence of North and South poles. The stars would not move this way on a flat Earth
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>>20119830
Still too many leaps have to be made in order to fully explain a ball earth. All that water from the oceans just stays in place cos of gravity, even upside down, thanks to some magnetic core we've never proven exists yet a butterfly can fly? Weird


Fact is, we have no idea what we are on or in, and every explanation is less scientific and more philosophical when the day is done

Flat earth makes the easiest sense because it's how we perceive the world we inhabit, and assuming we're a ball cos the sky is doing its own thing is a leap
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>>20119846
butterflies can fly because their wings are strong enough to propel them into the air

and there is no "upside down" without gravity to determine what is "down"
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>>20119846
>decided to check out /x/ on a whim
>read this comment
>checking up on 4chan was a mistake
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>>20119846
>go on /x/ after a few years of absence
>flat-earth shitters
Aight I'm out.
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>>20119846
>Flat earth makes the easiest sense

I just explained why it doesn't. Do you not believe that the stars rotate around 2 poles every night? Go out and observe it for yourself.
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>>20120021
why do rotating stars mean the earth is a ball?
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To me its nothing more than an idea to open your mind
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>>20120035
this anon gets it
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>>20119846
>All that water from the oceans just stays in place cos of gravity, even upside down, thanks to some magnetic core we've never proven exists yet a butterfly can fly? Weird

People have never been this stupid before.
In an age of unprecedented freedom of access to knowledge and information, retards like this are out there walking, breathing, and breeding.
America needs to be glassed.
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>>20119923
Aren't you too young to be on 4chan anyway?
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>>20120030
Earth spins on its axis once every 24 hours. This causes the stars in the sky to complete one full revolution around their respective pole (or appear to, relative to the Earth's motion)

If the Earth was flat, then the stars would only spin around the Northern pole. There would be no South pole. However, we observe the opposite. The stars in the Southern hemisphere all revolve around a single point above the Southern horizon.
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>>20120030

because that is what we would see if we were on a spinning ball, looking at a virtually still sky.

on a flat earth, you wouldn't see what we see in the sky every night, even if the stars were spinning around the flat earth. this is because stars in the sky spin in a virtually perfect circle. on a flat earth, the effect would be long, eccentric star trails that look warped, alla this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexZbunD7Jg
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>>20120066
>has nothing to contribute except the same tired insults
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>>20120073
its an interesting theory, seems to have merit, but we have zero evidence we're actually on a spinning ball

and no, NASA images don't count
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>>20120102
However, we do know unequivocally that the flat earth with ice walls model is wrong.
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>>20120102
when we simulate what the ball earth theory would look like, it just so happens that it looks pricecely like what we see every day and night, down to the most precise detail.
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The earth is a cude you fags
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>>20120120
Except for the fact that nobody is falling off the bottom of the Earth
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>>20120073
This is because the edge of the earth disk is connected with parallel universe. When you cross zeroth parallel you are transfered to parallel Earth that has a different sky. Those two Earths were meant to be separated, but the portal was created by Ascended Masters to deceive sleepers.
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>>20120125
you're surely trolling.

in case you're not: you might want to reevaluate the logic behind what you just said.

in case you don't: up and down are not absolutes. why is the north pole considered "up"? the truth is that it's completely arbitrary.
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>>20120137
>up and down are not absolutes
This is all part of their agenda. First they make you think up and down are not absolute, then it's right and wrong, good and evil, etc.
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>>20120102
We have evidence for it. There are vids where you can see the curvature. Even in those where flat earthers think to see no curvature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edsUrLXrlLg
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>>20120147
seek help please.
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>>20120149
Fish eye lens: $5. Tricking idiots into thinking they live on a ball: priceless.
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>>20120149
to add to this
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>>20120147
Careful, your sarcasm is a little subtle for this board.
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>>20120160
>>20120157
to add to this you didnt even watch the video. The dude who made it explains why there is NO fisheye lense in this clip.
The thing with you flatearthers is that you just dont want to learn the truth.
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>>20120160
sorry mate. Thought youre the same guy you were replying to :D
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Trolls are just trolls. We all know the earth isn't flat; if they say it is, they're just trolling, who cares?
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>>20120172
>The dude who made it explains why there is NO fisheye lense in this clip.
>people never lie
>especially on the Internet
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>>20120189
Why would he lie?
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>>20120193
Because he is a deranged ball Earth cultist.
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this poor sap has never ridden the gravitron >>20120125
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>>20119846
This really bums me out. American public education really produced a bunch of idiots.
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>>20120211
What does that make you?
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>>20119923
Same
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>>20120246
This ride was so crazy as a kid, I felt like I was being smushed
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Most of the Flat Earthers only believe in the flat Earth theory because they're desperate to find anything that would give them hope that something super natural exists. They are mostly Christians who can not cope with the fact that their religion is a bunch of bullshit so they force themselves to believe that the Earth is flat because that would prove that God could exist and science is just Satan's work.

They are desperate so they are biased as fuck, and they will find any bs picture, some retarded theory, some shitty "proof" and take it seriously

It's just nothing but confirmation bias mixed in with desperation and not being able to cope with the fact that Earth is just a tiny insignificant piece of shit rock floating through the universe and not some God's amazing creation.
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>>20120246
favorite ride right there
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>>20120598
+1 for effort here but it's not like they'll listen.
You could have one of them send a weather balloon they built themselves up into space with a camera they built themselves and the footage they retrieved would disprove them but they'd bring up some BS like "the chip in the camera is manufactured to fisheye after a certain altitude"
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>>20119859
you missed his point entirely, butterfly wings are not strong enough to escape the negative forces the globe earth theory equations present
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>>20120150
>>20120171
you kids are out to lunch, if there is no up and no down i would not be able to drop an object infinitely in one direction, and finitely in the other
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I MAEK POO POO!!!!!
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>>20120102
Yu faggot
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>>20121689
Lmao
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What is the circumference of the flat earth? Who was the first person to measure it?
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>>20120598
Wubba Lubba DubDub!
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>>20120113
>we
Amerifats? Rest of the world can't be this retarded.
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>>20120120
How convinient.
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boi
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>>20120193
Shill.
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>>20120120
>down to the most precise detail
Wrong
Confirmation bias is playing a roll here
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>>20120249
Yup. Too many globetards on this plane.
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>>20120598
It's not a theory, though. The earth is a plane. Not a planet how you were indoctrinated. You're what they want you to be; their puppet.
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>>20121838
>; their puppet.
:( semicolons are hard
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>>20120172
Doesn't matter how much evidence against the earth being flat you provide, they will never believe it. They say it's fake, it's a conspiracy ad infinitum. They are flat earth fanatics and like religious fanatics they are totally dedicated to their beliefs despite all evidence to the contrary.
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>>20121580
there's no ABSOLUTE up and down, that's not to day that up and down arent real things.
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>>20121838
you're right, it's not a theory. it's barely even a hypothesis.

the fact remains that there is litterally no proof at all for the flat earth model. there are only attempted disproofs of the ball earth model.
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>>20122150
>there's no ABSOLUTE up and down
... in a globe earth, but it is possible on a flat earth
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>>20121828
um, no unfortunately.

literally no other model can make astronomical predictions as accurate as the predictions made by the heliocentric model.
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>>20122171
except the earth is not flat, and we can know this for a fact.
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>>20122175
Why?
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>>20122180
Really? A FACT? Oh please tell me the top five FACTS that prove the earth is not flat.
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i know why the earth is flat guys. It's because there is a galactic dvd player and when god likes to watch some porn, he'll just insert the disc earth and fap it all the way. I'm serious guys, just found this on some website. THIS UNIVERSE IS SO WEIRD MAN
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>>20122201
sure.

south celestial pole. a spherical earth necessitates both a south and north celestial pole. on a sphere earth, the angle of elevation where the apparent celestial pole appears in the sky correspond directly to your latitude, agreeing with the sphere earth model. not only that, but a southern celestial pole would be completely impossible on a flat earth, in addition to the fact that the angular elevation of the pole would not directly correspond to latitude.

the heliocentric model can be used to make extremely accurate predictions about where we should see certain planets in the sky, where the moon will be, what phase it will be in, how big it will appear, etc, etc, etc, down to the second and eight decimal places.

the heliocentric model works too well to be false.
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>>20122291
>the heliocentric model works too well to be false
You tread in dangerous waters.

I'll give you the fact that we have both a north and south the celestial pole, but that in no way proves heliocentric model. In fact, nothing PROVES it.
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>>20122336
but the south celestial pole certainly disproves the flat earth model.

i think you're getting your terms mixed up. "proof" does not mean 100% certain. proof just means certain enough (99%).

technically, in science, you only need to be 95% certain before you can claim you've proven something.

the thing is that the heliocentric model has no other competitors that can't be easily disproven by extremely basic observation.
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>>20122343
I'll say that it has many supporting theories, but a lot of what you think of as proof is just mathematical explanations for theories. It's physicists and mathematicians jerking themselves off
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>>20122366
you think you know what math actually is, and how it's used.

you don't.

speaking as someone who has experience formulating equations to explain and predict various phenomena i can tell that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, despite how you might object.

the equations are right, bud. they're verifiable and make accurate predictions..
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>>20119846
>Doesn't understand what gravity is, aside from the plebian understanding of "ohhh it makes things go DOWN!"
Yeah, you make some great points there buddy, especially the "gravity parts."
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>>20122378
Verifiable against what? How is anything that has yet to be experienced by an actual human verifiable? Most of these equations are trying to prove outrageous theories when in reality humans have hardly even explored the depths of the ocean, let alone anything pertaining to the depths of the universe. Its literally nothing but speculation passed as facts.
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>>20121747
I don't understand geometry so that's wrong, nice try globist
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>>20119846
>All that water from the oceans just stays in place cos of gravity, even upside down, thanks to some magnetic core

stop using words you don't understand. It exposes how dumb you are.
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>>20119846
We know every one of those things.
Seriously read a book.
People spent their lives arduously working and studying to show how stupid you sound, the least you can do is hear them out.
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>>20120102
>we have zero evidence
>after reading a post with evidence
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>>20119846
Good post.
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>>20122150
if you stand on your head at any point in space you will recognize immediately that up and down are absolute, even a globetard can understand this
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>>20119846

holy shit lol. I'm convinced flat earthers have to be just memeing.
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>>20123352
I've been convinced for some time that the majority of Flat Earthers are either trolls, or literally incapable of understanding the concepts. Case in point, the lack of understanding in that gravity is a WEAK FORCE.
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>>20119773
godammit op why the fuck do you have to be a cunt, please share a higher resolution picture, i need this.
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>>20122201
1. The movement of the constellations in the Southern hemisphere (impossible if there were no South pole)
2. The fact that the Sun doesn't change speeds as it moves through the sky (If the Sun were as close as you say, it would speed up as it flew overhead)
3. The fact that objects weigh less at the equator than they do at the poles (due to the Earth's rotation)
4. The fact that you can see sattelites like the ISS orbiting overhead (how is orbit possible on a flat Earth?)
5. Lunar and solar eclipses (again, try explaining these on a flat Earth)
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>>20119773
So start critisizing them better.

>Still too many leaps have to be made in order to fully explain a ball earth. All that water from the oceans just stays in place cos of gravity, even upside down, thanks to some magnetic core we've never proven exists yet a butterfly can fly? Weird

What the fuck are you even talking about? Gravity is caused by mass you moron.

See.
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>>20119902
>>20119923

>Not being fascinated by watching a psy op in real time take hold and spread through /x/

Do you guys even oldfag?
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>>20124514
prove it
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>>20119846
The water from the ocean doesn't stay in place you fucking moron

What do you call waves? Evaporation? Clouds? Rain? Waterfalls? Streams? Rivers?

Gravity doesn't make water stay in place. It causes it to accelerate toward the Earth's core at the constant rate. Like everything else on Earth.
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>>20124546
>drop thing
>it accelerates towards Earth

Wow
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this entire concept was perpetuated in 2016 to,

1. discredit actual conspiracies
2. make inbred fags even moar retarded

Thanks
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>>20124579
The flat earth society has existed for decades
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>>20124582

sure, but this "vogue" ness of it that's sprung up the last couple years is intentionally done for the above reasons

the original Flat earthers were bohemian and ironic about it
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>>20124596
Wow, it really worked then.

Are all FEers paid government shills? Or are conspiracy theorists genuinely stupid enough to fall for this shit if you put together a few flashy YouTube videos?
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>>20124550

stay in place meaning it doesn't fall off the bottom of the globe, dummy

water always finds it's level use your eyes and gauge for yourself
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>>20124550
what's so special about the Earth's core that makes things accelerate towards it, in any direction? top, bottom, side, etc
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>>20119773
Are you a christcuck too? Those two idiocies usually go hand in hand.
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>>20119846
They're not leaps though, they're posited and tested theories, all of which have matched the predicted outcomes. What's FE's count on that score?
And no it's not simpler. If you apply Occam's Razor, the list of entities goes asymptotic just trying to explain away the counter-evidence before you even get to the so-called evidence.

And holy shit I didn't read that first part too closely. How can a single sentence contain so much wrong? But, let's indulge...
How do you explain the magnetosphere...'scuse me, the "magnetohemisphere", using the FE model?
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>>20119773
You're an idiot, NASA already proved Earth isn't flat
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>>20124659
Nothing is special about the Earths core. All mass creates gravitational acceleration. It just ramps up proportionately to the size of the mass and the distance from the mass.

Earth's core is the closest object with a mass sufficient to pull us in
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>>20124654
>water always finds it's level
What about this water?
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>>20124772
proof of the mass of earth's core? they ever dig that far and observe/test it?

>>20124782
what about it? its a drop of water not a body of it. if you're trying to say water conforms to a ball-like shape with water droplets, therefore conforming to the globe shape makes sense, where's the super-dense center of the water droplets in your pic?
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>>20124853
>proof of the mass of earth's core? they ever dig that far and observe/test it?
It's not the mass of the core, it's the mass of everything. Every other atom pulls on your atoms, and the further away it is the less pull it has. You clearly don't even understand how gravity works, please do even a minimum of research before you decide flat Earth is true.
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>>20119846
Kill thy self
I don’t want thou breathing my air
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>>20124550

insults. just insults...

the truth is that no matter how many insults you come up with all you are going to do is fall back on newtonian physics (outdated, false) and second hand information.

PROVE IT FOR YOURSELF

Stop insulting people on the internet, go get you some self-respect.

>pic related, it's (((you)))
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trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

pissing in a sea of piss
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whatz the point of this debate?? flat or round itz not gonna have any impact on how you live, nothingz gonna change because one sidez right so who carez what shape it is ha az long az itz not a dik am I right??
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>>20124955
here
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>>20124559
Thats an observation. Not proof.
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>>20124955
what observation have you made that doesn't align with newtonian physics?
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>>20125119
If every single observation accords to Newton's laws, and we can use those same laws to consistently predict outcomes, what reason do you have to cast doubt on them?
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>>20125013

i agree with this idiot
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>>20121571
No, in fact they are strong enough to overcome the force of gravity. Which is very small on butterflies. By all means, calculate the forces for yourself.
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>>20123298
any proof besides "i just feels like it" ?
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>>20123298
And what if you do it on the "vomit comet?"
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>>20119773

You should probably consider having yourself committed.
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>>20125426
Feel it for yourself dumbass
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>>20123352

No, it's a legitimate mental illness.
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>>20125742
"Down" is simply the orientation between you and the center of the Earth. How would it feel any different?
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If flat earthers believe that south is the same thing as down, then how can the Nile river flow north?

Checkmate, FEers.
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>>20119846

Are you really this retarded?

I mean, all of us on /x/ are pretty open to weird stuff, but if you really believe that shit you must be downright braindead.
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>>20125780
>>20125834
If flat earth is an infinite plane, then down is towards the ground always.
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>>20126451
Why? What force is accelerating objects towards the ground?
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>>20119830
The "southern" hemisphere could as easily be some other hemisphere. We don't know for sure. The only source we have is (((NASA))), and other (((space))) agencies use NASA as their main source for "facts".

Thing is, we live on a big landscape. Flat or not, i know for sure that it isn't round tho. That talk about the hemispheres, if true, sure, it proves that there are hemispheres. Not that the earth is round. From that point, you are welcome to construct your theories.

Also, please bear in mind that gravity has never been proven. Its literally pseudoscience. Just like many other things we are being taught. A mathematical formula that only Einstein understands, is pseudosceince. Or other formulas, where there is a magical k number, just because otherwise it wouldnt hold, well, think for yourselves..

An object falling with a constant speed, proves that it falls with a constant speed. From that point, you can theorize that oh well, maybe some magical force pulls it down, or that the object simply falls down because its heavier than the air. Try to imagine air as water. How do objects fall, or float, in water?

They build a box for you. They hand it to you on a silverplatter. The only thing you see is the box. You miss everything else around you. Madness is Sanity. Sanity is the actual madness. We have it all wrong.

Im not denying anything, im not proving anything either. Im just saying..

A perspective tweak is all we need, really
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>>20126721

Despite all the 120.000 satellites, i still have not seen a single real (live)stream, or a real photograph of the earth.

And despite all the 120.000 satellites orbiting our earth, i still have not seen one of them at all from a scope. A google search shows one or two satellites, different angles. What about the other 119.998?

>No! We cant see the satellites because they are too small!

But we can see the flag on the moon, right?

>Yes, but no, wait, what? Oh right, only NASA's high powered telescope can see the flag!

But, what about all the ameritards claiming that they can see it, that they have seen it through their own scope?

Ah.. They are no different than those who believe in the holocaust.. Blinded by pride.. Pride, guilt, joy etc etc.. Humans are easy to manipulate. One thinks he is woke but he is more asleep than ever before.

Life itself is a shitshow, it will never get better, only get worse. Once you realize that the shit stuck between your hairy asscheeks is as equally important as drumpf winning the election, or HRC going down for pizzagate, only then will you realize what life is.

We are being held down. We have been held down for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. Progresse is not progress. We are going backwards. We are willfullingly submitting ourselves to higher powers, without even being aware of it. Now, use your face-id, or fingerprint sensor, or whatever you got, and be a good goy..

Dont forget to set the alarm, we gotta chase that paper
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>>20125426
why do you need more than enough proof?

>dur you got any proof other than that proof??????????? gotchaaaaa suckaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

you fool
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>>20122336
Okay, if that, and countless other hard evidence, don't PROVE it, then what would you accept? Any photos you're shown are dismissed as doctored, any physics equations as indoctrination and lies. What exactly do you want? And, what PROVES your flat theories?
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Think guys. Being a flat-earther is just as valid as being a round-earther. Unless you have seen round Earth, how do you know it is round?

Enter anti-realism. Realists, the people who dominate science, who believe numbers are real, are brainlets.

Our idea of how gravity works is no more valid than someone thinking the Earth is flat, in a vacuum.
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This is what allowing children on the internet has wrought. Used to be, a naive teen said something uninformed, only a few around him would hear it. He would be corrected or ignored, and these reactions to his behavior would make him grow up. Now this fool can have his words spread far and wide, to reinforce the relatively tiny, yet still numerous, other children who can latch on to his bullshit and support it in echo chambers, where their numbers and support give them the boldness to make claims based on no evidence, no studies, no peer review, no history, on nothing but comments they read in these echo chambers. And thanks to internet anonymity, someone can come off as your elder, as smart, likely with some credentials as ex-govt or ex-NASA. But behind that screen is just another naive teen.
I was a dumb teenager once, too. I got into conspiracy theories for a while (all that Illuminati shit). It's perfectly human to see some well-organized arguments and react with shock that everything you know is a lie, or that sinister forces conspire to keep secrets and manipulate the public for power. We tend to believe something if there is personal consequence in it being true. This reaction is the reason so many children raised atheist end up Jesus freaks; an overload of new perspectives that upend one's worldview, especially in teenage years when we're a total mess, can become a fixation, and we tend to reject very logical and proven things in favor of the new revelations. We think we're on to some hidden knowledge and want to prove how smart and not-sheep we are. Lots of us have been there.
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>>20128513
But we all grow out of it. Eventually you'll realize the flat earth was disproven ages before the existence of NASA, big corporations, and anyone else you think has an agenda. And that these entities could never, ever keep a million employees' mouths shut for this long. And that NASA can't control other countries or their education systems. You'll realize you still don't know a fraction of what you think you do about how things work. Take a step back and look at yourself objectively, be honest with yourself and ask if you're just confirming your bias and struggling to not admit you were wrong just because it's embarrassing. Live a bit longer, and I promise you will look back with embarrassment at the nonsense you spewed as a teen. We all did. And that's perfectly natural.
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>>20119773
Flat Earth is only there to make you read religious books again. Of course the earth is not flat. That has been proven beyond a doubt. You need to live inside the real world some more. Find friends in science, or some who actually sail the oceans. Or intellectuals who understand literature. Or with a professional medical degree. Or someone who can open your eyes on how good /×/ is for finding useful knowledge.
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how to coriolis effect on a flat earth
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every single 'contradiction' in earth as a planet that flat earthers find is due to the assumption that the earth is a perfect sphere. it's a pretty lumpy ball.

http://www.asu.cas.cz/~bezdek/vyzkum/rotating_3d_globe/figures/rotating_3d_globe_Geoid_height_EGM2008_nmax500_px0650_angle360_fps1_BlueWhiteOrangeRed.gif
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>>20119773
you cant trust nasa, they have deals with demons/fallen angels, ayylmaos arent extraterrestial but from another plane, space is not empty, just think in event horizon, but in all space, not just the ship

nasa knows some secrets, they are being guided by lucifer and his spawns
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>>20126727
Of course you flat earth fucks are simultaneously holocaust deniers.

Is life so difficult for you that you have to live in an imaginary world where it all "makes sense" to you or are you simply retarded? What happened in your life that made you so completely deluded as to accept these ridiculous ideas?
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>>20119773
ass cunt racist cracker fuck don't try to tell me who I'm talking your the self claimed psychfag racist cunt who doesn't allow "black readings" i will curse you with the nigger man curse you white ass chicken fucker
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>>20129002
guess those "official" NASA "photos" aren't so official after all, huh?

oh, wait...didn't Neil degrasse say it was "pear shaped?" whatever. like it was already said in this thread: we have no idea what we're on.
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>>20129156
why dont you question and just accept what people tell you? are you that sheep? fucking sheep baaah baah
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>>20129156

Wow, you guys are not even hiding anymore.

If something, like the earth being a globe, or if the holocaust happened like we have been told, if these were true, there wouldnt be so many questionmarks.

Fact is truth, truth is fact. When a "fact" leads to a question, that leads to a hundred other questions, that cant be answered, then, my sir, it is not true. It is not a fact.
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>>20119793
Underrated post. I'm fucking dying
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It's a plane(t)
A 3d plane of 4d object. You don't fall off, you wrap around
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>>20119773
False flag bogus conspiracy theory
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Capped for posterity
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>>20129349
Okay then you must necessarily never believe in the flat earth since the model is full of questions and things that don't match reality
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>>20129349

Why should I hide?

What questionmarks? The ones that are almost always purported to be unanswered are not even slightly that. They are all simply idiotic ideas that only absolute morons could ever believe. Anyone with an IQ north of 75 can absolutely not believe in a flat earth or outright deny the Holocaust.

Let me congratulate you though, not many people live through a lobotomy, so kudos for that.
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>>20129717
The "flat" model is not complete, unlike the globe model. Only thing i know is that we dont live on a globe that is spinning around other spinning objects thats spinning around other spinning objects.
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>>20129718
Wow.. I feel sorry for you man.. You think you know it all, huh.. You must have an IQ above 150.

>Intellect and knowledge is based on IQ tests.

Pff..

We have a smart one here.
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>>20129776
So why aren't you equally skeptical about the flat earth model? No matter what the model is, if the earth is flat you need to think of a testable mechanism that explains how the sun and moon are held up, how (specifically) the moon and Venus get their phases, and how the stars and planets are moved in different patterns. And what's keeping us from flying into the sun and moon, unless you believe the dome is between us and the sun and moon?

What part of spinning planets doesn't match current science?
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>>20126727
You can literally watch the ISS go overhead on a clear night if you're under its orbital path with your bare ear... just look up when it's supposed to go overhead in your area.
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>>20129886
*bare eye
typo
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>>20129789

I am absolutely smarter than flat-earthers or holocaust deniers, by the simple fact that I accept reality as it is, not as I want it to be.

Please, if you "know" these things to be true, go public with your proof - that way you will get ridiculed for the absolute idiot that you are, and rightly so. But you won't, because deep down you know that your beliefs have a major flaw - they are at odds with reality and even a child could see that.
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>>20128249
Im saying nothing is proven, so its a good idea to explore every possibility. But all you brainlets act like science has proven everything already so we should just believe what we are told always without question ven if the answer doesnt make sense, which is retarded.
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>>20128981
Not real. Why would you need to adjust for a bullet flying for a few seconds when you dont need to adjust for a helicopter or plane flying?
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>>20129886
ok? what's that supposed to prove?
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>>20129536
somebody gets it. watching scientism try to explain everything so literally is amusing though.
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>>20130426
The men who conducted the research upon which our facts are based DID question things. That's why they conducted their research and experiments. And they looked at their results and got answers.
No one is saying we shouldn't question things we're told. But if your questions and theories are met at every turn with mountains of solid evidence versus ZERO hard evidence from your side, you have to know when to admit you're wrong, there is no conspiracy, and there are people who know better than you. I don't run around trying to disprove the effectiveness of ibuprofen or the link between smoking and cancer simply because I refuse to accept things I can't perceive with my limited human senses. I've never been to China but that doesn't mean it doesn't fucking exist.
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>>20130471
That you can see satellites, which flattards like you claim is impossible, or at the very least that they do not really exist?
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>>20130591
You know before smoking was known to cause cancer there were mountains of evidence by scientific studies claiming it didnt cause any adverse health effects right?
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>>20130471
That there are football stadium-sized hunks of metal moving through the low earth orbit at roughy 7 kilometers a second?

You can easily explain orbital mechanics on a round Earth. How does it work on a flat earth?
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>>20130706
no please

tell me about how smoke inhalation isn't bad for your lungs

can't use common sense on that one
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>>20130724
Im saying science has been known to find evidence for desired results for a certain price dip shit. If you would have said smoking caused cancer back in the 30's you would have been laughed out of the room and told theres ZERO evidence to support your claim, very much the same argument you just used against flat earth. If you cant see the correlation in the situation please neck yourself
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>>20130742
not same guy but one difference here is that you can verify the shape of the earth on your own much quicker than you can verify smoking is bad for your health on your own.
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>>20130742
and who do you propose is paying off every single astronomer, physicist and geologist on Earth?

Are they paying off the amateurs too? Literally anybody can go out and verify this shit for themselves.
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>>20130599
you see something flying in the sky. you choose to believe it's a satellite in "outer space."
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>>20130707
a common flat Earth model is that of a flat plate. a circular shape. you can fly in a circle you know
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>>20130767
not the same anon but you don't have to pay everyone off. you guys believe what you're told for free.
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>>20130767
The pay off doesnt have to be actual money from someone else. They pay off could be that the heliocentric model has been one of the longest living psyops, comparable to major religions like Christianity. Who knows the actually reasoning behind it? Its obviously bigger than you or I. (I feel like i need to explain that Im speaking in hypotheticals, obviously this cant be proven)
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>>20130798
for what purpose
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>>20130805
>Who knows the actually reasoning behind it? Its obviously bigger than you or I
Whats the reason for flat earth being a psyop? You can probably speculate many and it would apply to either
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>>20130834
>ITS FLAT
>no its not
>ITS A HUGE COVERUP ITS FLAT
>why
>IDUNNO
>can you prove its flat?
>NO, BUT IT JUST IS!

i don't get this logic
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>>20130872
Because my stance is that nothing can be proven. I dont know if its flat or round, none of us do. It pisses me off when people fight so hard for round earth as if it has actually been proven and theres no other possibilities. Its brainless sheeping because "muh science knows all." Think for yourself. Both theories have holes but only globe model tries to convince people it doesnt.
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>>20130775
Ok, and what do you propose it is? Because you can pretty clearly see it isn't anything that could fly in an atmosphere with a telescope.
>inb4 hologram
>>20130780
How do you keep something in the "circular orbit" above the flat Earth? Orbits work on a spherical object by having the horizontal acceleration of your object match the acceleration of gravity so that it continuously falls without ever hitting the ground.
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>>20130916
models with lights rotating around stationary objects and little models of the solar system recreate how the sun sets/rises and behavior of shadow movements on our planet. going to the top of a tall building allows you to see further than ground level from the same spot, as if the earth is curved and you are able to see over the horizon easier.

there's a lot of simple things you can do to help you out here.
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>>20130916
>Both theories have holes
No, spherical earth does not have holes. Its "holes" only make sense to retards who don't understand basic physics.
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>>20130916
>but only globe model tries to convince people it doesnt
>>20130942
>No, spherical earth does not have holes.
Its an inconvenient truth. All those math and physics theories and proofs obviously work out. They act like they mean something but theyre just empty equations. The problem is it doesnt actually prove anything. Its just a distraction.
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>>20130942
>>20130945
Replied to wrong post
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>>20130458
Assuming you're not memeing like the rest, try applying just the tiniest bit of critical thinking for once. How does a bullet in flight differ from a plane or helicopter?
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Welcome to the truth.
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>>20130916
It's proven in as much as all the research data matches the standard model in a way that's duplicateable and predictive to anyone that wants to set out and test it for themselves. If a model doesn't fit the evidence, it may be freely discarded, which is precisely the case with FE.

There are always other possibilities but they have to be ones which match the standard model close enough in their operation to such a degree that any distinction is functionally academic. Moreover they require moving far enough away from the standard model that their likelihood correspondingly diminishes.
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>>20124955
When it comes down to it, nearly all human knowledge is second hand. That's hardly a valid reason to eschew it, and claim the earth is flat.
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>>20119773
Well, at least your admitting to yourself, that you have a weak mind. Dude. Sweet.
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>>20124955
>makes a claim against the current common view
>"NO YOU GUYS HAVE TO PROVE IT!!! THE CURRENT PILES OF EVIDENCE FOR THE CURRENT VIEW ARE WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO"
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>>20131440
Either objects flying through the air continue to spin with the earth or objects flying through the air move independently of the earth's motion. You dont get it both ways or else you have inconsistencies within your theory.
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>>20119773
The whole point about all of this ; it's simply because you an I never been to space to verify all these theories. You want to be sure, you see that the official theory is wrong.
Flat earth movement is blowing up because we know something.
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>>20131686
Not the guy you're responding to, but that is the correct answer. Congrats
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>>20131686
Way to avoid the question. I repeat, what's the difference between a bullet in flight and an aircraft? C'mon, this is an easy one.
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>>20124460
Why has nobody responded to this?

>1. The movement of the constellations in the Southern hemisphere (impossible if there were no South pole)
>2. The fact that the Sun doesn't change speeds as it moves through the sky (If the Sun were as close as you say, it would speed up as it flew overhead)
>3. The fact that objects weigh less at the equator than they do at the poles (due to the Earth's rotation)
>4. The fact that you can see sattelites like the ISS orbiting overhead (how is orbit possible on a flat Earth?)
>5. Lunar and solar eclipses (again, try explaining these on a flat Earth)
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>>20131950
Oh! Oh!

Is it that airplanes and helicopters create thrust while bullets do not?
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If the earth is flat please explain to me why instead of seeing beijing china all the way here from florida, I see the earth lightly dipping down into itself, only allowing me to see the horizon. Explain how street lights which have around roughly the same exact height, appear shorter than others during the "dipping" phenomena.
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>>20132010
Sokath, His eyes opened!
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>>20119846
surface tension + gravity retard
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>>20128294
That's the point. Nobody ever came to space.
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>>20132128
are.. are you confusing perspective with curvature? I think you are.
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>>20132301
I might, I've just thought of the earth being round just because of that simple fact. If the earth was flat why wouldn't I be able to see for miles instead of up to a point where it just.. "dips", you know what I mean?
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>>20119773
>Guys, I'm turning into an unironic flat-earther.
Doesn't matter it's all a simulation.
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>>20130742
The might be surprised on that account. The phrase coffin nails for cigs goes back to the 1800's so there's always been some suggestion they were hazardous to the health, to the point I've seen it mentioned in old pre-30's health books.
So no, I wouldn't say there was zero evidence.
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Hey, you >>20121571 and you >>20119846

>>20125387
This.

You know why people say gravity is a constant, right? That's because it doesn't pick and choose. Everything is affected by gravity under normal conditions.

So a feather? Gravity. A building? Gravity. You and me? Gravity. Everything is being pulled down all the time, and everything falls the same speed (under the right conditions). Try looking for the experiments of feathers and bowling balls falling in a vacuum chamber.

Why doesn't it fall like that outside of a vacuum, despite gravity being a constant? Because of air. Same goes for birds and butterflies.

So yeah. Oh, and it's not "magnetic". It's just mass. It's supposed to be massive. Mass creates attraction.

>Flat earth makes the easiest sense because it's how we perceive the world we inhabit, and assuming we're a ball cos the sky is doing its own thing is a leap

So you are saying that since I can only perceive what you type here, I can safely say you do not exist?

Also, saying every explanation is less scientific and more philosophical does not make them so.
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Imagine how much of a sub 100 IQ brainlet you have to be to think that physics equations are 'just a distraction meant to fool you and don't reflect real life, even if they accurately predict it'.

I can't imagine being so massively stupid.
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>>20121571
>butterfly wings are not strong enough to escape the negative forces the globe earth theory equations present
That's cause the butterfly would have to be flying at 11km/s to escape said force.
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>>20120598
>and not some God's amazing creation
The earth is still an amazing creation. Whether you believe in a creator or not.
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>>20132624
This photo wasn't taken far enough out if you want to see the curvature. How are you seriously presenting this photo as evidence of flatness? Show me a photo without curvature, that is further out, where you can't see land detail like in that one. One where you can see whole continents.
And don't start with that fisheye lens bullshit. Anytime you kids are shown a photo or document that contradicts your argument, you just go straight to claiming it's doctored.
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>>20132552
>So a feather? Gravity. A building? Gravity. You and me? Gravity. Everything is being pulled down all the time
What about helium? Why isn't gravity pulling down my balloon filled with helium molecules?
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>>20132768
It is, but your helium balloon is less dense than the surrounding air, so it rises until it reaches a point of equilibrium with the upper atmosphere. When it reaches that point, it will float happily along, or pop, due to how cold it is up there.
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>>20132768
Buoyancy opposes the weight of an object in a medium. if the force of buoyancy is stronger than its weight, it goes up. Buoyancy is a product of the density of the surrounding medium, the volume of medium displaced, and the acceleration due to gravity g. But helium is still pulled down by its weight. You know that you can add two forces together and get a different net force, right?
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>>20132768
Are you ten years old, or did you simply never pay attention in school?
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>>20119773
OP wasn't seduced by the flat earth he was TRICKED into it
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>>20132722
you know that method is just silly, right?
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>>20119846
Galileo is rolling on his grave so fast he could power an entire city.
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ITT: retards.

Every flat earther knows that the (((globists))) are just trying to hide the fact that GRAVITY is just the flat Earth constantly accelerating upwards at 9.8 meters per second per second, as it always has for 4.54 billion years. That means that our beautiful plane is currently travelling through space at ~140,327,770,000,000,000 meters per second (and increasing!), or around 4.7 billion times the speed of light.

Look at the facts, you ignorant faggots.
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>>20132908
Easily disproved, which is why the nu-flattards are on to the buoyancy thing.

1. grab an object. any object
2. take it outside
3. throw it in the air
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>>20119923
Literally Who gives a flying Fuck
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>>20132663
Except is has AIR to push against. All it has to do is create enough lift to displace the butterfly's body

how much do you think a butterfly weighs?
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I've started to meme people telling them evolution as described by Darwin is false and that the earth is cone shaped. But I give them reasons and I'm slowly starting to believe them.
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>>20119773
Like this anon?
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https://youtu.be/fFQgXvkKdoo
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>>20131998
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWsvHOyHMc8 Although I'm not sure about this not going to lie. Just giving a possible explanation
2. This is a strawman because the sun doesn't speed up as it goes around period, flat or not.
3. Show me EVIDENCE of this because I can't find any online, only theorycrafting.
4. Show me one photograph of a satellite in orbit that couldn't be dismissed as obvious CGI
5. Explain how there have been multiple recorded lunar eclipses where the sun, moon, and earth were out of alignment?
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>>20134498
>4. Show me one photograph of a satellite in orbit that couldn't be dismissed as obvious CGI
Go out and look for yourself you lazy fucking moron.

http://www.isstracker.com/

There is NOTHING stopping you.
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>>20133052
have you ever jumped inside of an elevator?
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>>20134533
>http://www.isstracker.com/
I don't have the capabilities to see it you fucking idiot. That's why i'm on a japanese image board asking questions. Piece of shit. I'm asking for help don't be a dick.
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>>20134498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LhbqXqkt5U
Can someone explain why this isn't correct?
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>>20134552
>I don't have the capabilities to see it you fucking idiot.
It's in low Earth orbit you stupid faggot. You can see it with your naked eye.

Literally go try. Buy some cheap binoculars and stop shitting up this board with your lazy ignorance.
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>>20125387
How do bees fly?
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>>20134601
by creating lift than their bodymass
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>>20134560
>Go look at this thing that doesn't exist, oh you didnt see it? You must be retarded try again.

Took an astronomy course a few years ago before this flat earth stuff came up. We staked out to watch the ISS fly over but it was "obscured" that day. Didn't give it a 2nd thought, and neither did anyone else at the time.
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>>20134559
no, they can't
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>>20124522
>You're one of a kind,you and I

I'm just a meme researcher doing field studies on the distribution of forced memes.
So far no one in real life started talking about andys logs with me. But the flat earth has appeared in real life talks.
It is interesting to observe. I don't know what is true,the shape of the earth is irrelevant for the progress of my soul.
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>muh bouyancy
>muh gravity is faaaakee
>muh perspective
>muh density
>muh ebul NASA demon worshippers
>muh ebul globe model manufacturers
>muh ebul stargazer neighbor
>muh psyop
>muh nazi von Braun quote
>muh 9.8 km upward acceleration
>muh gravity is electromagnetism
>muh [[[south star]]]
>muh iss cgi livestream
>muh youtube clickbaits
>muh real pictures of earth that i will ignore anyway
>muh guberment and loominaty is lying to everyone except me, a very worthless individual
>muh masonist newton and galileo
>muh fake erasthothenes
>muh 1500s NASA
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>>20134928
I love this response. I love you, Anon.
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>>20134953
faaakkkkeeeee
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>>20119846
I see now. The earth is flat because people aren't falling off of Australia.
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>>20134957
Prove it
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This thread was nearly dead, where'd these hundred fucking responses come from. Stop arguing with flat-earthers. They will NOT hear you, or are simply trolling you.

Real flat-earthers simply can't wrap their head around gravity. They think the Earth has a literal top and bottom, hence why they ask dumbass questions like "why does water stick to the Earth?". Even the ones who understand the concept, still don't understand that we also have an atmosphere, because it's all but invisible to the human eye-ball. Let this thread die.
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>>20134987

>>20134928
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>>20135013
Touche
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>>20119773
Congratulations on somehow managing to regress as you age.
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>>20134672
You're this interested in it and have never seen it in all those years since the course? So you don't believe amateur footage on Youtube?
I've seen a light fly over exactly when the ISS was meant to fly over from the direction that was given but it was really fast and hard to keep track of with my manual telescope. You should at least have been able to see that in all this time.
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>>20134498
If the sun needs to go further south to the tropic of capricorn during northern winter (so the flat earth model has an explanation for the seasons), it needs to cover a wider circle each day. It needs to speed up physically.

>>20134559
explain what in this 11min video
or can you not just think for yourself
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>>20134542
Which proves my point.
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>>20119773
dont be an idiot sheep, the earth is round anon
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Science has failed you. For you know not the basis of how or why it works. You are fed facts and ideas with no understanding, no context. There are now two new types of ignorance: dogmatic belief in anything from on scientific high, and denial of reality itself.

There is sense to be made in reality. It is your teachers who failed to explain that reality properly. Who take their own grasp of reality for granted. Many are the lost in the gulf between what we know and what is real.
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>>20130916
>my stance is that nothing can be proven
Then you cannot have a reasonable conversation about everything. None of this could be real, and I could actually be a spooky skeleton man dancing on top of the only other object in the universe, a giant sapient lasagna which is projecting this universe through mega-telepathy via non-existent machine elf ninjas into my thinking-jelly. This is exactly as valid a belief as believing that an apple, when released from my hand, will fall to you. You have literally retreated into insanity to defend your theory by waving the statement "things can have a truth value".
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>>20131006
Math can be used to describe things in the real world. If you have two stones in a circle, and put two more stones in the circle, there are now four stones in the circle. 2+2=4 predicts this. Likewise, the mathematical models that assume a round earth predict the motions of the Earth relative to the Sun and stars, Earth's satellites relative to Earth, and the oceans relative to the Earth, Sun, and Moon.
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>>20132301
The vanishing point is an artistic technique, not an actual optical fact.
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>>20130916
>Because my stance is that nothing can be proven.

This is the result of postmodernism people. Be aware that people this dumb actually exist.
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>>20124522
>i was pretending to be retarded
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You're also free to believe that 1+1=3, but that doesn't mean you aren't retarded.
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>>20137371
semantics. what's the scientific description for vanishing point?
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What are the actual arguments for a flat earth?
Genuinely curious
All I ever see when it's brought up are attempts at debunking the arguments for a spherical earth
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>>20137371
This comment is utter retardation. Lmao. Vanishing point is a real thing dumbass.
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>>20134987
Prove everything NASA or the government in general has ever told you or shown you is true. See what I did there??

You've never been to space, all you have is blind faith in what someone else told you.

Believing in NASA and big daddy government is like going to a church and blindly believing in everything a priest says. And I bet you'd think the latter are crazy, well guess what, so are the former.
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The moon is flat, what you see is an optical illusion. Don't fall for satanic science.
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>>20137996
>>20138016
READ NIGGA READ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanishing_point
>inb4 "(((Kikepedia)))"
It's an acceptable reference for basic shit like this.
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>>20138522
yeah, we know what it is faggot. you tried dismissing it, not us
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>>20119773
how does it feel to be retarded?
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>>20138728
I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying it only exists in paintings, not IRL. You know, like artists and physicists do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0YuivnCXhM

>sodium chloride
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> Telescopes don't exist either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKTe5odvEbc
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>>20119773
Sphere cucks




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