>dude, Monogatari is a mature literary masterpiece bro
>>270258927She's so cool...
>>270258927This but without self-hating zoomer irony.
yes it is i agree
having read most of it I came to the conclusion the entire series is hard carried by the god tier anime adaptations and the plot is otherwise really, really dull. but there's a couple arcs even the anime couldn't salvage.
>>270259090self-hating millennial irony*
>>270259226>he watches Monogatari for the plotYou know that monogatari is mostly focused on exploring its characters, right?
>>270259930anon, plot that focuses on exploring characters is still plot. you don't need complex machinations or a grand-spanning story to talk about a work's plot.
>>270258927They're chuunis you stupid faggot.
>>270259226I mean, no shit. It's a light novel for young adults. With the anime you can at least appreciate how great it looks or the voice acting, but if you as a grown ass man read the books and expect to be wowed, that's on you.
>>270260505Young adults are still adults. It's not like watching Pingu or something, anything for adults should be good
If you actually read "literature" you'd know that plenty of acclaimed shit has stupid names, typically for the irony of it or some sort of symbolism.
>>270258927>dude it preaches to you nonstop, dude NIETZSCHE but with BOOBIES!
>>270261615does it tho?
I've heard the writing in monogatari is complex because the author is spamming Japanese word games in his stories, and not because the story is too hard to understand or anything crazy
The vampires names are literally chunni autism by design. Everyone else's names are relatively normal. How do you get filtered this hard?
>>270263617It's still comprehensible with just the subs imo
>>270260505It's not even a LN.
>>270263617I think that aspect of the series is pretty overstated. The series is very well put together imo. I don't think it's necessarily hard to understand. You should try watching it, but don't go into it with the bias you seem to have picked up. The series is extremely fun imo. And doesn't take itself nearly as seriously as some people on /a/ think it does.
>>270258927Yeah and this is actually part of what makes it a masterpiece, it's like that iq midwit thing where people who are average just don't get why it is so good while stupid people enjoy the jokes and visuals for what they are and intelligent people get the insane meta storytelling in addition to it.
>>270258927>>dude, Monogatari is a mature literary masterpiece broOnly pseuds write this.
>>270259881>t. born after 1995
>>270264832problem, ojisan?
for me, it's tropicalesque
omg they talk really fast and its stylisticso le deep...
>>270264830yet it's still better than 99% of modern anime
>>270258927Hamtaro is deeper than Nisio Isin faggot trash.
>>270264921Considering how often he references Doraemon, I imagine Nisio would find Hamtaro good as well. I don't think people realize how often a creator's favorite things don't line up with what they actually make.
Have you ever tried to explain a joke you found intelligent to someone who was a bit less bright than you, and when you did the joke didn't really work for them because if you don't get it in one go it can never be as funny?That's what's exposing all these retards in the thread
>>270264921proof?>>270264991he also referenced osomatsu-kun so he's based in my book
>>270258927Vamps have always had a terrible naming sense.
>>270260798but Pingu is good
>>270260505Here he is.The standard for adulthood.The tough internet guy.I'm in awe.
This series is the only one I have to plug a keyboard into my HTPC so I can hold the > key to play it manually so I can pause on quick frames or quickly go back to quick frames to make sure I caught everything.
>>270264991>This artist breathes air so you should stop breathing tooRetard.>>270265045Only pseuds are enamored with stories that touch heavily on themes of human connections (and their meta-contextual analysis). Simpler and more elegant stories like Hamtaro are able to encapsulate pure spenta emotions with greater intensity. Winnie the Pooh has more literary value than the vapid YA literature masked as "literary fiction" (most of which which isn't even that great to begin with).
>>270258927It always was overrated pretentious trash hard-carried by the girls and Kamiya.
>>270258927it is
>>270258927As if Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade is better. And guess what? When she is renamed her name in japanese is Shinobu (忍) The kanji for it is literally heart 心 (kokoro) under blade 刃 (yaiba). The chunni shit has been there since the beginning.
>>270266189that's why I love it
>>270265329>This artist breathes air so you should stop breathing too>Retard.I have no idea how this relates to the post you quoted.
>>270258927>Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-MasterKINO
>>270258927At last!
>>270258927You fags are getting mad about intentional chuuni shit now?
>>270266547ugly characters shouldn't be chuuni
>>270266583*uses Dark Saber Schrödinger's Neko attack on you*
>>270266629>he uses 50% hit attacks
>>270262783Yes
Monogatari is like Fate Chuuni-ecchi shit trying to be deep
I don't get it, shouldn't Kiss-Shot be the REAL Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master?She turned her country into a land of the dead (Deathtopia) with her skill (Virtuoso) at making people kill themselves (Suicide Master).
>>270268581That's kind of the joke, they suit each other way too well.
>>270258927That's right.
>>270258927yes it's good and chuun is cool
>Deathtopia>Desutopia>DystopiaHe can't keep getting away with it
>>270263617The wordplay aspect is the only reason it's not a forgotten harem series in Japan.
>>270267673Heh kid. *Removes the power limiter* You're pretty good. I might have to use more than 0.1% of my power.
>>270258927>Deathtopiagood song
>>270268301Speaking of Fate. I could only listen to Shinji's voice when the MC was talking. Made it really hard to watch. His gf was also worst girl.
>>270269642>Desutopiadoes pic related live there?
To be fair, you need to have a very high IQ to understand Monogatari
>>2702678973 examples of preaching?
>>270263617Most of the “complex literature” is only complex because of linguistic tricks, not because the story is hard to understand. "Ulysses" tells a very simple story.
You need to check the original work, otherwise it will be all straw man fallacy
>>270263617I was told a litbook was complex because "the narrator is unreliable, so we can't be sure if he is a cuck haha". The story was about a narrator who thought he was a cuck.
The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Japanese most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head.
>>270258927Correct.
>>270269648Retarded take. And a wrong one.
>>270258927All the good writers are only good in native language or translated by other professional writers.You consume regurgitated dekinai slop and then wonder why it's bad.
>>270258927Monogatari is pseud pedo slop. if anyone tries to convince you otherwise they need to have their hard-drive searched.
>>270258927I say this and it's true
>>270271201That's why it's great.
>>270271201>pseudNo one thinks it's deep, they just appreciate the amount of foreshadowing and self-reference and the overall style.
>>270271201So true! You definitely shouldn't watch this series if you're not a lolicon.
>>270271271based araragi
>>270271201>pseudo pedothe fuck is this even
>>270271105There is nothing special about this series when you take away the wordplay.
>>270271299pseudo intellectual pedophile
>>270258927
>>270271340That's right, puns are the reason why Monogatari is popular. Especially among people who don't speak Japanese and 90% of the wordplay flies over their heads.
>>270258927Why does she have Darkness's red hair things?
>>270258927monogatari is millenial's first chuuni garbage
>>270271340It's got amazing girls and MC. Like every girls in this series is great and Araragi also.
>>270271404The anime is popular because of the fanservice. The anime was only made because the novels are popular in Japan though which is because of the wordplay.
>>270271443No, Fate is.
>>270258927all of the best otaku media contains some ridiculous chuuni shit to keep the boring normalfags like you away from it.
>>270266189Damn I can't believe there was a Japanese word with the same meaning as her poetic European name.
>I like the writing in this show.>>OHHH SO YOU THINK IT'S THE DEEPEST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD DO YOU? IT'S THE MOST WELL WRITTEN THING IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE HUH YOU PRETENTIOUS FAGGOT?
>>270269642Why does she look younger in the illustration?
>>270271518wrong image but it works too
Honestly thinking about distancing myself from Monogatari because I don't want to become a footfag.
I am sick and tired of seeing people say Monogatari is in any way "smart," and "deep". No, it is not. Christ, if anything, even brainlets can understand the story, its extremely ordinary and plain. However, the banter is top tier and is literally what carries the series.The banter isnt even that complex too.
garbage series carried by meme studio and commie
>>270259930Do you explore characters in the vacuum or something? You need conflicts, events, developments aimed at exploring that shit
>>270271544You're immune unless you're from some degenerate state where people never take their shoes off, even when entering a house.
>>270271553I don't think anyone on /a/ thinks Monogatari is like "deep". It's a fun and consistently good show.
>>270263617No, the wordplay aspect of it is exaggerated by JSLs. 99% of the text is free of worldplays. It's just not the major part of his prose style.
>>270271553I see people complaining about people calling it smart or deep but I've never seen anyone call it smart or deep.
>>270258927It is, but only in Japanese. EOPs cannot fully appreciate monogatari.
I only watch it because the vampire girl is cute and I want to put my pens in her.
>>270271629Well, they do.And it's wrong.Hell, people say its pretentious too.Look, I certainly think the series tries hard to be deep when it isn't, you can even call it "try hard". But that isn't bad at all, in fact literally 95% of all LNs are like that. That is just my opinion.
>>270271700Dude 90% of the jokes fly over Western heads. People like it because it's visually interesting and are okay with not understanding everything, but barely anyone is qualified to form an opinion.
>>270271668I don't blame you.
>>270271700Like who does? This anon said it well >>270271663 Saying people say Monogatari is deep is a strawman. Because no one is claiming that.
>>270271571>commieExplain
>>270271105as opposed to a retarded and correct take?
>>270271700>well i mean actually i'm the one who thinks it's trying to be deepok
>>270271666No. The industry MUST have international appeal. The Japanese MUST adapt.
>>270271571Did Commie even sub Monogatari? And who even gives a shit if they did because they're just subs.
>>270271663This is what happens with most shows affected by this kind of shitposting. With the way people post about it you'd think the site would be inundated with people saying the series is the best thing ever. At most people are liking the new season because it proves Shaft is still capable (and Nadeko continuing to have the best character development) but nothing like people calling it super deep or anything like what some posters in this thread are seemingly replying to. As someone who only got into the series this year as well, it's funny seeing people say the series is 90% wordplay, since that was something I'd heard before starting it too and it feels like people who have never watched the series gaslighting others.
>>270259226I never understood what was so great about the anime. People are always like "the animation" but it's like... Yeah, obviously specific scenes are well done. Because 2/3 of the other scenes are slide shows or still frames. The good looks great in juxtaposition to the flat
>>270271663>>270271629I see people on reddit, discord and YouTube comment section treating it as the only harem worth watching because it's so deep and nuanced or something. I find it funny because the same redditors have an issue with sexualizion of lolis in other anime but never find any fault with araragi's pedo inclinations in monogatari series.
>>270271960There's a ton of dialogue but the animators keep it visually interesting.That's what's good about it.
>popular thing bad because buzzwordsWhen did /a/ become /v/?
>>270272029About the time the shounenfags flooded in.
>>270271913>Did Commie even sub Monogatari?MTBB is edited Commie, except for Bake.
>>270272017>Monogatari is a harem despite the main character being in a committed relationship for 95 of the 100 episodes and some parts of it not even having a male character at allAlso it's pretty funny seeing someone getting annoyed that people are calling harems shit as if harem anime isn't shit on most of the time on /a/ as well even without bringing up Monogatari.
>>270272021It really doesn't seem visually interesting. It's just words words words with a snapshot of a girl's face, then it cuts to her scratching her ass, then it cuts to his face either deadpan responding or reacting to her scratching her ass.It's a tedious show.
>>270272017>reddit, discord and YouTubeOkay cool. /a/ doesn't think like that however.
>>270272086You're supposed to be interested in the "words words words". If you're not, nothing's gonna salvage it for you. This is fundamentally a show about people bullshitting around for 80% of the time, and scooby-dooing mysteries the remaining 20%.
>>270272082Monogatari is a harem anime whether you like it or not. Just cause it subverts some shit doesn't mean it doesn't play out like harem shit.
>>270272017>the same redditors have an issue with sexualizion of lolis in other anime but never find any fault with araragi's pedo inclinationsI've seen a number of people temper their endorsements to make sure everyone is well aware that they don't approve of the "bad" parts, and assure people that "it gets better after nise".
>>270272086What are you a gay or woman? Every girl in this series is great and they're all given their own episodes and character development.
>>270263798You don't know what you don't know.
>>270272082Bruh if you take the literal meaning of harem then no harem romcom is actual harem
Did they ever... you know...?It seems flat-out unbelievable that they never did ANYTHING considering how much sexual tension and horniness there is between them.
>>270272193>Every girl in this series is greatThey're interesting as mentally ill characters. No way I am dating any of those bitches if they were real.
>>270258927All masterpiece parts were in dialogs with crab and monkey
>>270271533Because she is younger. Her repeatedly dying and starving to death trying to eat Acerola makes her younger and more emaciated each time she regenerates, like how Kiss-shot turned younger when she lost her limbs.
>>270272178>Just cause it subverts some shit doesn't mean it doesn't play out like harem shit.In what way do you consider it to play out like harem shit?
>>270272266But that's what we horny incels want. Fucked up menhera girls and then Araragi saves them.
>>270266189I actually do think Kiss-Shot is better.
>>270272029covid
>>270272329>we want araragi to take our girl away
>>270272029>>270272341People have been calling Bakemonogatari pretentious since 2009
>>270271544This can't actually happen.
>>270272086If Monogatari isn't visually interesting to you then I don't know what you could possibly find visually interesting.
>>270272451yes it can and i am proof of that. i didn't like feet before watching monogatari
>>270271960>Because 2/3 of the other scenes are slide shows or still framesIt's amazing that this meme has endured for so long since the TV airing of Bake with SHAFT running out of moneySome anon counted over 700 cuts in an episode this season, I don't know what more you want
>>270272578But it doesn't look like muh 80s OVAs, anon.
>>270271201You need to be 18 to post here
>>270272451Then why does this make me feel funny?
>>270272451I'm almost certain it's happening to me.
>>270264921dude depth! lmao!!
This episode was boring as fuck.
>>270272910it was the best episode of the season so far.
>>270272910I wonder if theres research of people with adhd watching media, rating it and then taking their ritalin and rewatch it and see if their preferences chagne
>>270272961Yeah sure I watched over 100 episodes of Monogatari and only found this one episode boring so I must have ADHD. Right. Or you know I just don't give a fuck about Shinobu or her boring backstory.
>>270272910I might have felt that way if I wasn't busy engraving every line drawn on Deathtopia's body into my mind
>>270272961adhd or not people are still pulling out their phone and scrolling through their social media
>>270258927Can we search the archives and see if anyone called Monogatari deep, as far back as Bake?
This episode was pretty, but Shinobu's curse is pretty stupid and her character motivation is absolutely retarded.>"I have to kill thousands so I can find one person to save"Off yourself egotistical cunt. Literally.It'd be one thing if her motivation was "I don't give a fuck about these people, I want to live my life". In that case, she's amoral, but it makes sense. But we're *informed* she's the most pure and virtuous person ever, so much so her beautiful soul makes people kill themselves in awe and respect, yet prioritizes saving 1 person over killing thousands.Whatever, at least it ends next episode.
>>270273110Earliest examples I could find.
>>270273110This is the first post I found.
>>270273027>and only found this one episode boringThe last Shinobu arc was way worse than this one.
>>270271870I see it said all the time, you guys are blind.
>>270273174>>270273177>shitposting
>>270273209
It's pseudointellectual masturbation when it's not just barely coherent babbling.
>>270273209I've been on /a/ for a very long time, some of you are as well and at this point I don't see why people say nobody says this.Many of those are in a shitpost format but the people who post unironically believe that.Come on, at least admit it. Maybe in the current year it isn't as widespread of an opinion but it does exist.
>>270273177Fuck me, he summed it up 15 years agoWhat have we been doing all this time?
>>270273249The difference is that the people shitposting about it being deep got filtered, and the people who actually watch the show don't say that.
>>270273249Most people on /a/ now strarted lurking here in 2018
>>270273209That's the point. There's more people complaining about others saying it's deep than there actually are people saying it's deep. Both back then and now. And that goes for a lot of anime.
>>270273233It's really funny that people try to shit on Monogatari for being some high-concept bullshit, when in reality it's mostly straightforward plainly-stated coming-of-age stuff and general life advice
I love Shinobu as much as the next guy, but God the the arcs focused on her backstory are fucking dogshit.
>>270273338It lures neckbeards in with fan service, says some run of mill pseudointellectual shit between panties and boob silhouettes, then 100 episodes later, those same neckbeards want to call it high art.It may be the one fanbase more obnoxious than evangelion.
>>270273374>some run of mill pseudointellectual shitSuch as?
>>270272961It's just that this awful fairy tail crap barely ads anything to her character, so it's not interesting unless you are unironically invested in le heckin vamperinos story.
>>270273401Are you blind?>>270273338
>>270272521>>270272732>>270272761Well, I'm still not.
>>270273473You consider that line to be pseudointellectual? Really?
>>270273348I felt that way about all the shit with Seishirou and seeing the first "Princess" stuff in Zoku, but Waza is a good arc. It's like a mini-Kizumonogatari, and it connects Shinobu's past to her present in a good way, unlike with Seishirou. Deathtopia develops a good dynamic with Acerola, you'll see more of it next episode (and next episode will be the last one, so even if you don't like it it won't take up much more of your time).
>retards getting filtered by a straightforward coming of age story with supernatural elements only because it has lots of dialoguesRead a book niggers.
>>270273515>you consider this pseudointellectual line to be pseudointellectual?!Yes.
>>270271201Go back to xitter you worthless faggot.
>>270273550Would you consider me to be a pseud if I said, for example, "only faggots don't brush their teeth"?
>>270273473How is "get over yourself and take responsibility for your own life and happiness" in any way even approaching an "intellectual" sentimentI know this is bait but you're not even trying, come on
>>270273564>would you consider my clear attempt at irony to be pseudointellectual?!No, but I consider this retarded argument you're making to be pseudointellectual.
>>270273613I'm not making an argument, I'm trying to figure out what's going through your head. So you think telling someone how you think they should live, unironically, is pseudointellectual?
Truly the greatest stories of our time.
>>270273610>how is a show that sincerely depicts the most run of the mill coming of age ideas as deep discoveries pseudointellectual!?Do you faggots not know what the word means? Taking any of this show's tripe sincerely is what makes it pseudointellectual trash. It's a mid anime that deserved to be lost in white noise of the industry.
So what comes after this shinobu arc?
>>270273645>mid
>>270273649shinobu mastered
>>270273627You're trying to be retarded at this point, but I'll bite. Sincerely presenting any of the ideas in this show as deep is why it's pseudointellectual masturbation. The show very, very clearly takes itself very seriously while expressing the most surface level concepts around coming of age. The lack of irony is what makes it tripe for pseuds.
>>270273671>The show very, very clearly takes itself very seriouslyIt clearly doesn't. Not that that means it never has serious moments but it revels in being silly and even making fun of itself.
>>270273649The first arc of Monster Season, Shinobumonogatari, "Shinobu Mastered/Mustard"Araragi is back, please look forward to it
>>270273671So your entire argument is built on top of the "it's trying to be deep" retardation? And you'll interpret any small simple example of unwarranted life advice as trying to be deep and smart?
>>270273695>Nadeko is a cursetard>Shinobu is a mustardwhat did he mean by this?
>>270273668total shinobu domination
>>270273706Uh huh, fuck off, retard.
>>270273741Good talk.
>>270273645>a show that sincerely depicts the most run of the mill coming of age ideas as deep discoveriesPlease explain to me how a girl getting out of the shower, running into her depressed roommate, and directly telling him with no bullshit to stop being a depressed faggot is in any way meant to be a "deep discovery"This isn't some grand dramatic resolution that turns someone's life around, it's off-the-cuff advice delivered in passing in a hallway. It's about as deep, pretentious, and "psudeo-intellectual" as the banter you'd get at a gas station.
>series made entirely because the author wanted to write shitty puns is STILL filtering brainlets 100 years laterya love to see it.
>>270273786>>270273800Monogatari is a dry, humorless show that takes itself way too seriously which appeals to pseudointellectuals who want to feel smart.
>>270273800>because the author wanted to write shitty punsbut he said he wanted to write stupid exchanges
>>270273800I wish I could bullshit half as well as Nisio does, dude is just on another level
>>270273818>Monogatari is a dry, humorless showNow the bait is too obvious, you need to put in a little more effort.
>>270273867I'm pretty sure he was making fun of the other guy
Show is trash. Humor is beyond nip humor. Liking this show makes you a faggot.
>>270273249Of course it exists, it's just that in current years calling something deep is considered bad taste and cringe. Nowadays people are only allowed to consume superficial entertainment.
>>270273955>Humor is beyond nip humor.That's right. If you like Monogatari, you can become more Japanese than the Japanese.
>>270258927I'm in for the fan service, without it the series is worthless
seems like this is the first episode that shows actual humans in the background right? seems like throughout the entirety of the series every human has been censored or outright not there.one of my favorite parts of monogatari is the fact that it never illustrates individuals who are not main characters, so its strange to me that they decided to break it now.
>>270273955Not liking this show defines you as a faggot.
>>270274025They're dead.
>>270274005It's the only reason anyone watches it. The writing is horrendous.
>>270274025
>>270274052yeah i guess that makes sense and still fits within the theme, they are just apart of the background.saved!
>>270272341i hate zoomers i hate zoomers i hate zoomers
>>270273955>Liking this show makes you a faggot.Confused by this statement, quite frankly.
It's crazy how good this show is at exposing plebs.
>>270273528I dig that this backstory goes a bit more into the whole master/servant dynamic with tropical and deathtopia and why it just makes everyone miserable in the long run. It makes Araragi and Shinobu family like relationship sweeter. Being a vampire fucking sucks.
>>270258927The only good thing about this is the Kaiki NTR loli doujins
>people born in 2009 are 15>started watching monogatari when I was 15Fuck.
>>270274130I think anon has some issues to work out
>>270273348> Shinobu was a Mary Sue princess who killed people because she was so beautifulSo was she just a human oddity? A walking contradiction?
>>270259226from what i understand, in the japanese the wordplay is essential to the work, which gets lost in the translation.
>>270274025That's usually only when Araragi is the main character, or when the main character doesn't mention other people.
>>270274414She literally had magic cast on her by a witch.
>>270274282
>>270274596We need a backstory on this witch
>>270274414It's amazing that people managed to speedwatch six-and-half pages of textAcerola was incredibly beautiful, and people endlessly praised her for it. She resented this, because no matter what she said or did, people would focus on her beauty; she couldn't form real connections with people or make her own identity because people only valued her appearance (wonder why Shinobu was so hostile to Nadeko for relying on "being cute").She sought out a way to make people see her inner self, so that people could know HER and not just her beauty. A witch learned of this and approached her, offering a spell that would do just that, which Acerola accepted. This curse is what provoked the mass suicides, not the physical beauty that Acerola was born with. It is seeing her undeniably, radiantly pure soul that provokes such strong emotions from people and drives even a man-eating vampire to guilty suicide should they think of harming it.
slightly off topic but I've been watching the new urusei yatsura. hearing kamiya scream shinobu is pretty funny to me. it feels like I'm watching monogatari
>>270274128how do you even prepare for this amount of newfags
>>270274628>Radiantly pure soul>Lets thousands die because she's too much of a bitch to off herself
>>270274433People overstate how important the layers of wordplay are to the story. It's not unimportant, but it is just layers on top of a solid foundation. Every bit of wordplay that's important to the story, and plenty of the jokes that aren't, have that wordplay pointed out and explained, because Nisio loves explaining the joke to make sure you get how clever and funny he is.Obviously there are always things that get lost in translation but Monogatari is still plenty enjoyable to read in English, and you don't have other options if you don't know Japanese. The anime is a great adaptation, but I've gotten plenty out of reading every novel and I wouldn't rate a single arc more highly in the anime than I would reading the actual uncut story.
>>270274628It's the "pure soul that kills everyone" bit that doubles down on the Mary Sue-ness.
>>270274698Suicide is a sin, anon
>>270274698If she kills herself then all those people who died did it for no reason.
>>270274698But anon, if she offed herself she'd practically be condemning to death anyone else who would ever be so unfortunate as to endure the same curse! The only rational thing to do is continue to destroy town after town in hopes that something comes of it!
I would kill to have the chance to do this
>>270274750So's murder, anon. And if your mere existence is poison to people, it's murder to exist near them.>>270274765Nobody dies for a reason anon. People just die.>>270274766I like this explanation she gives because at least it means she's canonically retarded.
>>270274772I would kill to have the chance to do this
>>270274836Anon...
How does monogatari keep filtering people, even in current year?
>>270272269Well, does she start off looking as old as she does in the anime in the novel illustrations?
>>270274130>>270274282>we will never get nadeko ecchi ever again
>>270275066Just wait till she gets her own harem.
I always laugh at how people get so aggressive trying to defend this pretentious harem shit. And how they get mad when you call it harem shit because they like to pretend they are above it and have more "refined taste" or something.Nearly every single named character in the show wants to fuck the MC, and these ass clowns try to pretend it's not harem shit.The characters are all shallow as fuck, and literally just there to try to appeal to many different fetishes as possible so people will give the author their money (welfare checks).It's always garbage like this and Mushshit Tenshit that get most rabid fans. Because they delude their fans into thinking they are smart for liking something pretentious. It's literally two tier self insert pandering.
I always laugh when one of the board retards makes their daily rounds through the threads of everything they don't like.
>>270275178Inappropriate laughing is a symptom of autism.Thinking a public forum for discussion should be your safe space and only positive comments about what you like should be allowed is a symptom of retardation.
Shittao is a whore
>>270275235>Thinking a public forum for discussion should be your safe spaceThat's you who thinks anyone finds it remotely interesting to read some random anonymous retard going 'I don't like [thing]' as though that has any value whatsoever
Encouraging suicide = death threat
Kiwi Farms lolcow
>>270275325love yourself
>>270271960People are rather always like "the directing" as opposed to the animation. The animation is consistently good and at times great, but the main aspect is the unique and clever directing/shot composition and visuals/visual style that make monogatari stand out
>>270275304>>270275325>>270275341>That's youJust say "n- no u!!" it will look less pathetic. And it's just so funny how you ALWAYS have total mental break downs like this and think anyone who calls you out on your bull shit of wanting a safe space is your "ack" boogieman.Also, what you like is objectively garbage.>Kiwi Farms lolcow!Akemi sure is. Imagine being so fucking mentally ill not even Kiwifarms wants anything to do with you.
>>270275361B-baka...
>>270275417Calm down. Why are you so angry?
Personally as far as gothic aesthetic goes, ill take Shinbo's Mike Mignola inspired art mixed with anime look he directed with Soultaker over the new episode but im just not fan of those cg backgrounds in general.
>>270275417>schizo headcanon
I'm confused, is it just one retard arguing with himself? Is this a Giji Harem situation?
>>270275417>unironic schizoWho could have guessed?
>>270275417You just had a paddy because I called the verbal equivalent of a downvote worthless
>>270275458Probably a Sodachitfag
Since when does this guy post in Monogatari threads? First time I've seen him in one.
Acerola feels like a completely different person from Shinobu...
>>270275482He's done it a few times now. If it's a harem series, he will make an appearance in the threads to call it harem shit.
>>270275491Oddities are apparently extremely affected by people's perception of them. When she became a vampire, people's perceptions of vampires turned her into the "Hot blooded, Cold blooded, Iron blooded" vampire Kiss-Shot. On the other hand, as Shinobu, nobody really acknowledges her except Araragi (and a little bit from people like Meme), so she's whatever Araragi sees her as (read: A loli onahole).
>>270273800I have to learn Japanese for 20 years, so that I can understand this genius pun!
>>270275527But I wasn't talking to myself, Melori.
>>270275066>he doesn't know
HomuSaya = kinoKyouSaya = mid
>>270275491It's been 600 years.
>>270275548I hope they don't cut you off; it wouldn't be satisfying to defeat you indirectly like that.
>>270258927bad subs, wait for mtbb
>>270275491600 years change a person and there's another reason for that explained in the next arc
>>270273830He means the stupid exchanges are based around the puns he's talking about, some words in the dialogue were chosen for the puns and the rest of the conversation he likely made around those words
>>270275451Yeah, I also only didn't like the CG too much. It contrasted with the characters too much
>>270275101I'm guessing you're one of these >>270274128
And by the way, there's no reason to believe the kadokawa/vertical anon. Don't get your hopes up
>>270275733as in the post you're referring to, or what the picrel is pointing out?
>>270275683>>270275683Its a shame, Watanabe art + Shinbo is usually a great match when it comes to visuals but here's it just "yea there's some nice parts whatever...."
>>270271518This post is superb.
>>270275658But that's you, anonscans. Everyone agrees. Have some self-awareness and stop projecting.
>>270275933This
>>270275006the novels only have 1 illustration per arc
i don't have the slightest fucking clue who any of the schizo spammers really are nor do i care but i sure wish mods cared.
>>270259226When i read the novels the only thing that "wowed" me was how detailed it got about the fights and how gorey and bloody it described them as.
>>270271201>you are le heccin pedo!!!!Ok??? And???
>>270271544I've rewatched monogatari countless times since Nise first came out and still don't like feet. If watching it will make you a footfag then you're apready a footfag.
>it's repeating itself
>band-aid
>>270275683>It contrastedJust as intended.
>>270259226>plotfag
>>270276233Based
I'm not enjoying this Shinobu backstory as much as I thought I was going to. It's a bit too ridiculous. Especially when what we are shown doesn't match what we are told.
>>270274766>if she offed herself she'd practically be condemning to death anyone else who would ever be so unfortunate as to endure the same curse!yea this part was honestly the most stupid argument a character ever made in the Monogatari series
>>270276474What doesn't match
>>270272578>700 cutsThese doesn't necessarily mean no of frames which i think anon is referring to, shaft and direction in their anime always had decent or huge number of cuts but the sideshow bit came from the stiffness of the movement and closeups which isn't particularly a bad thing when the storyboard/direction/layouts are all taken in as a whole rather than just a few cuts.
shinobu is the most boring monogatari girl
>>270276671how she looks with what is said about her.granted, you probably cannot do it justice, this arc is probably unadaptable, doesn't change that it falls flat though.
>>270276792>how she looks with what is said about herHow would they be able to get her any more beautiful than they did while still resembling Kiss shot?Did you expect to actually feel like killing yourself when you see her?
>>270276713>but the slideshow bit came from theanon's retardation. And unfamiliarity with different editing techniques.
>>270276876>Did you expect to actually feel like killing yourself when you see her?I mean, Senjougahara's date scenes did it.
Any book that spends 3 (three) pages describing an underage girl's underwear is high lit imho my opinion.
Ack mad
>>270277566This
>>270277701Schizophrenia and Fregoli delusion.
>>270277755Ah, so that's why xe's called Fregoli. It's a fitting name.
>>270270110Desu! Desu!
>>270271340>>270271464>>270271865Kys retard
>>270269065and how is kisshot aerola under the blade fits deathtopia?
>No English Dub>Loli fanservice>Feet>Nip wordplay>Unique direction>Non linear plotIs it just me or is the Monogatari Series the best normie filter in anime?
>>270278341Don't forget>Conversations frequently lasting 10 minutes
stop talkingjust seggs
>>270278341well theres also the fact you need to watch 100+ eps before you can watch the latest season
When will Kadokawa or literally any of the several licensors curate a pipeline specific to Nisio?
>twitter filename screencap OP>thread is dogshitWhat did happen? I thought previous threads were fine. Why now?
>>270259930MOM KNOCK BEFORE YOU ENTER! I'M EXPLORING THE CHARACTERS!!
>>270278770curate a pipeline?
>>270278801The other thread was good, this was the containment thread, which turned into a real thread after the other thread reached bump limit
>>270274729Can someone explain how 894 = mamita?
>>270278801Shinobu haters out in full force, do not pay them any mind
>>270275599Eh, its decent.But Nowadays i rarely rely on the subs so its good enough for me since i only need it for the text on screen translation.
>>270279016I assume thr translator is trying to capture the similar feel894 is basically her name "はちゅ,きゅうし (じ)"
>>270259226Pretty much. Some arcs have legit good stories and the animation elevates them to greatness, but a lot of them are fillery as fuck.
>>270259226The self referential dialog is the best part desu Like any scene with Hachikuji
>>270258927Yeah, the author of Monogatari is fan of lengthy word plays that translate extremely poorly to English.Worth noting that his last manga was centered around ciphers and official translator literally gave up after 11 chapters or so due to sheer complexity of this shit.
>>270258927please understand, filthy otakuslop with slightly more thought behind it than bare minimum = literally masterpiss
>>270265045That's like referencing yogi bear. Everyone in his gen has heard of it
>>270273162she explained how by saving that person she's ending the curseotherwise there will always be a too beautiful person
Vampires are very dirty and has rabies. Avoid getting near them or touching them for your own safety!
>>270279943>Just by posting some crack,Is there even a crackship issue in the MONOGATARI series???
>>270281222Your life is a joke, Fregoli.
>>270281366But it's you who gets caught samefagging every thread, besuretoactuallyread. We all see your posts get wiped on a daily basis.
>>270281593But that's what happens to you on a regular basis, Henry.
>>270278819I just remembered thishttps://files.catbox.moe/6ijy0k.jpg
>>270269894Sakura is indeed worst girl
>>270275066Nadeko's character development will continue
>wake up>half the thread is deleted schizo ramblings about namefagsAh yes, /a/ - the best board on 4chins
Monogatari is almost singlehandedly ruined by Nisio's praise of normalfaggotry represented through Araragi's devotion to Hitagi and his wagie pursuits.
>>270283393Posting more sexy vampires would have prevented this
>>270271415Because she’s a pervert like Darkness
CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER
did they actually add basic AI prompts to the episode?look at the towers
>>270259226The puns and wordplay are brilliant.
>>270274698Suicide is a sin and such a blasphemous thought would never be found in a soul as pure as princess Acerola's.
>>270283976Those donuts really do go right to her butt
>>270284257>Suicide is a sinAre we sure she's a Christian? Well, given the historical period and location - yes, but she may belong to some sect. Bogomils, probably.
>>270283401Sounds like a you problem, basement dweller
>>270259226>>270263617>Monogatari is actually not that deep and badly writtenMonogatari is a litmus test for most reader, i've found that narrative is build in such a way that it serves as an amazing filter for this purpose it has:-Non-linear Storytelling-Events affecting retrospectively the perspective of the viewer on past events-Downright unreliable narrators and some who profess ambiguity toward their reliability whilst being most reliable-Arc Theming that essentially that turn every arc into a moral taleAs an example i'll give a brief spoiler heavy demonstration from Monogatari Season 2:There through a series of event Kaiki dies from a Ougi's plotting for unknown reasons as the motivations of the character is ambiguousWe spend essentially 3 season unaware of why, only later is revealed that Araragi is more or less Ougi as it's aberation formed from him.Meaning you're forced as a reader to reprocess the whole of everything between then and there with the knowledge that Araragi has literally commited murder on a man trying to save his life.You're then supposed to consider his potential motives as they are never explained explicitly (either jealousy or not wishing to avoid his punishment), all the while the current series continues with it's own arc theming and event.Monogatari is not a series, it is a human benchmark on your ability to process information overload as you are bombarded in equal part with mostly irrelevant information like references and eyecandy all the while being flooded with information that constantly force your to reevaluate the motive and actual moral character of each and every member of the story.Countless people fail and do NOT pick up on these cues and this is generally why they underestimate it, they got information overload and either didn't process it or didn't even catch up on it.I've talked to like multiple people who watched it and most do not pick up on the details and implications.
>>270258927lmfaooooooooooooooostill a fantastic series I wouldn't trade it for anything
>>270284725This post probably has a good argument, but it's written shockingly badly to the point of being borderline incomprehensible.Kind'a funny that you're claiming this series is well written and clever when you can't even write a post explaining those point.
For a decade now, I thought people loved this series for the right reasons - the art direction, fantastic voice acting which really helps with the fact that its almost always just conversations/monologues, and the outstanding soundtracks
>>270286437You're probably right people who understand well generally do not find a need to explain better as they tend to speak to their peers.As to claiming it's well written and clever i'd not go so far.It's to it core a story written in a complex pattern, that doesn't make it a good story automatically, People can argue as to it's quality I believe, it is convoluted to some degree and that's what I find good,Reading the story as a puzzle is more fun than reading it as a story in this case, it's a bit like with mystery novel , they aren't particularly good at storytelling the appeal is elsewhere.
>>270278114Truth hurts, doesn't it?
>sweet a monogatari thread>reddit tier postsshouldn't have come here on a Sunday
>>270284725Lot of issues here:>Kaiki diesHe doesn't, obviously.>Araragi has literally commited murderHe hasn't, there's a relevant distinction between the man himself and an oddity spawned from him. At most, you can say "some part of Araragi wanted to punish Kaiki".>potential motives as they are never explained explicitly (either jealousy or not wishing to avoid his punishment)It's extremely obviously the latter. Ougi isn't a familiar that satisfies his hidden desires, or kills people Araragi is Jealous of (the rainy devil and Hystery Tiger fit into this category, Ougi does not). She's Araragi's desire for "justice", particularly a type of self-flagellating justice that can't stand to see himself get away with taking reckless actions scot-free. Obviously then, her reason for punishing Kaiki is "because he commits acts of injustice (scamming) and gets away scot free", the same as her reason for punishing Araragi, and indeed doing anything she does.
>>270286595the OST is very underrated imo, though i must say i've found this season a bit of a step down in that regard.
>>270274212But Kizu + Kabuki + any arcs mentioning shinobu/kisshot has already illustrated that pretty well before. Sure, deathtopia is a nice addition but the bond between Araragi and Kissshot is already proven to be special, with that quoted scene and more. It wasn't the first time they exchanged their vows like that. Araragi x Bat is forever, as crab will age and die, they've acknowledged this.
>>270272086This is like what, the 100th ish episode? Why are you still watching it?
>>270278341you do realize it's insanely popular in Nippon, right
>>270287061>He doesn't, obviously.An interesting theory to posit that he's somehow able to run faster than Suruga, as people have been revived before in the story in multiple manners some of which being acquaintances of him I personally suspect foul play, the time differential between Second season and Hanamonogatari allows this. I do think he's been killed and his physical feats are not natural.>He hasn't, there's a relevant distinction between the man himself and an oddity spawned from him. At most, you can say "some part of Araragi wanted to punish Kaiki".Odd take given Araragi has acknowledge Ougi as himself and that Kaiki got attacked as soon as Araragi became aware of his whereabouts.>It's extremely obviously the latter.I felt the same, but then again the only narrator we have describing his character his more or less himself, his reaction in the first scene where both Kaiki and Senjougahara are there with him do paint him somewhat differently in this regard I feel though I have no actual evidence for him.
>>270287433>Kaiki got attacked as soon as Araragi became aware of his whereabouts.Ougi was tailing him before Araragi knew
>>270287432...Yes?
>>270258927It is, yeah
>>270287591>Ougi was tailing him before Araragi knewThat is true!Though one has to wonder how come both confrontations happened more or less back to back apart for narrative convenience.I do think that Ougi is aware of all things Araragi IS aware of and is at the very least a part of him if not quite literally him, and therefore the more logical answer is that yes he got attacked as soon Araragi became aware of his whereabout.
>>270287433>he's somehow able to run faster than SurugaHe was a former member of the track and field team, and is a man. If you correct for anime-only feats of superhuman ability (e.g. Karen destroying buildings), Kanbaru's only running with the speed of a highschool athlete. It's not unusual for an adult man with a history of athletics to out-sprint her.>OugiWhat >>270287591 said, keep in mind Ougi didn't attack Kaiki, she sicc-ed a middle schooler on him. That required prep time, more-so than Araragi would have had. It's true Araragi was constantly leaking information to Ougi, so she knows everything Araragi does, but the reverse (that Ougi *only* knows what Araragi does) is just her catchphrase, not the literal truth.Also, I'm not saying that Araragi isn't jealous of Kaiki, I'm saying his Jealousy would be irrelevant to Ougi. Araragi cares about a lot of things Ougi doesn't, Ougi is the personification of his monomaniacal pursuit of Justice. To borrow a phrase from Tsukihi, you could say Ougi is "Justice itself".
>>270258927>Suecide MasterMalkavian clan.
>>270272578>Some anon counted over 700 cuts in an episode this season, I don't know what more you wantkek stupidity of shaftchuds and kyoanusfags knows no bound, more cuts ≠ better animation retard even crappy isekai has hundreds of cuts>actually counting cutsdid that anon wake up from coma or has no idea that are now easier ways to know that
>>270287894he didn't say he counted manually.
>>270287784>That required prep time"Hey remember that guy that cursed you, yeah he's RIGHT THERE."Otherwise I agree with what you said about Ougi regarding how information flows and the degree of autonomy afforded to that aberration.As to justice being irrelevant to Ougi, you have to remember what Kaiki did to Senjougahara and that the jealousy may not be just sheer jelousy.In fact i'd wager it's possible that given Ougi gave a chance to that kid to get revenge that you may not be entirely right on that front.Regardless it just a musing I do believe like you that Jealousy at best was a secondary motive, it's more likely Araragi just wanted to off himself through Nadeko killing him because he felt bad about his past failings.
>>270287894> more cuts ≠ better animationYes, it = more complex directing. >even crappy isekai has hundreds of cutsYeah, two or three times less hundreds, though. Retard
>>270287784>He was a former member of the track and field team, and is a manOr, the more plausible excuse, is that he is an ex-occult club current occult-dealing conman, easily able to buff himself with oddities or curses. His peer Yozuru can completely trash-compact a vampire-buffed Araragi despite being "just a human". Their era of occult club was always meant to come across as legendary and weird, otherwise the narratives wouldn't stand up.
>>270258927https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiYXNaQ4FbgIsolated starts playing
>>270284649People read monogatari for occultism and monster girls, not to be validated for working 12 hour shifts to pay off the Boss' yacht and coming home to a controlling wife. It's quickly turning into one of those stories that sells a faux-individuality where you can be as quirky as you want as long as you fit the mold of a productive taxpaying cuck. ONE is insufferable for the same reason Sorry, you seem to have taken my critique of the story as some kind of personal attack, no need to get defensive bro.
>>270287784>He was a former member of the track and field team, and is a man. If you correct for anime-only feats of superhuman ability (e.g. Karen destroying buildings), Kanbaru's only running with the speed of a highschool athlete. It's not unusual for an adult man with a history of athletics to out-sprint her.I agree with the logic behind the post but personally i'd think it'd be a lame punchline about Kaiki's story in second season to be that he lied about his own death and that him getting brain damage is the reason he's acting weird in Hanamonogatari.It also wouldn't mesh well with the story beat that he's reintroduced right before the story goes into the monogatari world's relationship with death in right the next season.I'm operating on vibes alone here but I do feel that it's make more sense to hold the suspense for the character as to whether he's alive or dead, him seeming alive whilst being dead seem very onbrand and him fakeing his death feels cheaper to me as con.I suppose though that the whole point here is for us NOT to know.
>>270288529>he's reintroduced right before the story goes into the monogatari world's relationship with death Hanamonogatari was before Otorimonogatari (Nadeko Medusa), rearranging it was an anime decision.>I suppose though that the whole point here is for us NOT to know.Kaiki being explicitly unreliable (though also probably not nearly as unreliable as he pretends he is) is a major theme though, I agree.
>>270288529>he lied about his own death and that him getting brain damage is the reason he's acting weird in Hanamonogatari.When the narrator tells you in the first 2 chapters he is an unreliable narrator, you need to believe him and consider perhaps half the story didn't happen or was exaggerated. Unless it's stuff confirmed to have happened in other novels/episodes when others are narrating, consider it fluff.
>>270288732Kanbaru is a pretty reliable narrator though, I do think Kaiki acted in a way that bretrayed some form of brain damage.The question is merely did he do so to fool us into thinking he survived and he's actually dead or is actually alive and the reason he spread news of his death is straight up just a ploy.
>>270282410Truly purple hairs are worst girls always.
>>270288891The very chapters that portrayed his "death" gives us very good reasons why he would fake his death, which is to get people he wrong off his back. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by "dying". So perhaps a ploy, as you said.I would sooner believe he was a ghost in Hana than think he is brain-damaged, given how Kanbaru was talking to a dead girl the whole time, it can easily also apply to Kaiki but she never thought of it. That would explain the running speed better, as the other anon said.Kaiki is a self-admited unreliable narrator, AND a conman. It's what he does. My personal feelings is that nisio set up the story to be bought in by the audience, as another one of his con. If you believe him, you fall for it, see how good he is haha, kinda thing.
>>270284725that is a massive wall of text to say very littleit could have been two lines
>>270258927The Dark Souls of anime.
>>270289191Fitting for monogatari, then.
>>270283991Yeah, its AI, and not the only AI shit this ep too. Honestly dissapointed to see SHAFT of all studios to implement this
>>270289191>Make a post praising the complexity of a show as it's saving grace>You reply claiming the post , claiming it could have shown more breivity and clarityI'd almost grant you the benefit of the doubt and say you're great at humor.>>270289152I think it's too tempting from a narrative stand point to have a story with him in the future explaining this in further detail, especially if his revival involves his relationship with Tadatsuru Teori, it would allow us to gain more insight into Kagenui and the Occult Research Club.
>>270289550that's what happens when you hire lazy zoomers and outsource most of the shit to the vietnamese
nisioisin and kamachi novels are basically peak pseudointellectual for teens to read and think that they're smarter and more mature than their peers. There's nothing wrong with that though because there's clearly a large audience for it.
>>270289753So it's the Pynchon of our generation?
>>270286437I think that post is written fine. One sentence thesis, list of supporting observations, an example, and a conclusion. Surprised anyone would find it incomprehensible -- though it's kind of ironic that this is a response to a post about people being filtered by basic complexity.>>270284725I agree but I don't think this phenomenon is isolated to Monogatari. However, I think that in many other series a person can get filtered by core themes and plot points while still largely coming away with a feeling that it was substantial and fun (e.g. Kill La Kill viewers who don't understand the core themes and think it's just a fun action show with lots of fanservice for no reason).Monogatari stories are structured like mystery stories (with lots of clues, a drawn out plot, and a reveal at the end), so a viewer can get filtered by everything and still "understand" the plot at a basic level but it will feel like ultimately just a pretty show with not much else going on.>>270287061This.
>>270271340This is obvious bait. No one is actually this dumb.
>>270289229which character would fat roll? who would be a pleb and pick pyromancy?
>>270258927This but Fate
>>270290186I'm sorry, but Fate actually is fine art
>>270272067motbob just uses the best available existing translations to use as a base and for Monogatari they preferred commie over official subs. If Commie hadn't subbed Monogatari, motbob probably still would've done it and just used different subs as a base.
>>270290501Aren't the official subs pretty trash?
>>270271940The "90% wordplay" is gaslighting by retards. There is a lot of wordplay but a lot of it is done for humor or Nisio's drawn out mystery style of dialogue/monologue/narration.There is a separate but similar sounding complaint that people sometimes make: Nisio manages mood, builds up tension, and hides clues, by having tons of dialogue/narration in the LNs. Shaft for the most part adapts this directly, turning walls of text in the LNs into minutes of dialogue in the anime (except for Kizumonogatari where walls of text were turned into tense animation scenes with no dialogue). So a lot of the character of Nisio's writing style shines through but many people find this "wordy" and complain about it.You get similar vibes from some other Shaft adaptations of Nisio stuff, especially Zaregoto and Bishounen Tanteidan.
>>270290948Yeah, that's why motbob makes his own.
>>270283976Ouginobu!
>>270289550It is the only AI though
>>270278341This
>>270291692what's this then?
>unreliable narratorcope so that people can interpret their fanfiction into the story
>>270291744that is almost certainly AI, the blurry undefined lines and lack of consistency reminds me of thisfirst shaft got reamed for hiring indians to do work on their shows, now this - we really are reaching levels of laziness that i only expect from shitposters
>>270283991Wow, that shit is blatant.
Doll tummy
>>270291895i really liked her drug dealer outfit, it was very cute
>>270273327There isn't anyone in those screenshots saying it's deep. Just people shitposting to mock the idea that it's deep. Seeing the evidence it looks to me like it's a>millhouse is not a meme>"millhouse is not a meme" is a memesituation. Most likely started off by some retard flipping out in a thread after they got filtered and BTFO by others.
>>270273249>claims to have been here for a very long time>is a namefaglmao
>>270258927>"you call this a masterpiece?">posts masterpieceWhat did faggot OP mean by this?
>>270291945Did nadeko dress her like this because its her fetish? It has ikemen vibes to it.
>>270291945Yeah, the outfits in Nadeko Draw were great.
>>270292106better question is, why did she have those clothes to begin with?
>>270291945if it was hoodie then it would be jessie pinkmancore.
>>270284725>Monogatari is not a series, it is a human benchmarkNigga you ok?
>>270273338>>270273610Dialogue like this in Monogatari serve the purpose of reinforcing the themes and providing clues for the mystery of the story. Monogatari does this relentlessly. If a conversation isn't important it's simply not included, even if it's a scene that happened.
>>270274698People with beautiful pure souls don't kill themselves.
>>270274924It's insane. There were still people who didn't understand Nadeko until the last arc even though her fucking name is an obvious reference to Nadeshiko and there's a ton of shit flat out explaining her deal. Some people are just retarded.
>>270292933Is her family name (Sengoku) a reference to the warring states period (Sengoku Jidai), with her fractured psyche representing the warring states?
>>270292933flowers are GAY, thoughever desufuck floriography
>>270293098That's one layer to it, yes
>>270275101>Nearly every single named character in the show wants to fuck the MCLiterally only the following have expressed an interest in Araragi.>The MC's literal girlfriend and future wife.>Hanekawa, who knows that MC doesn't like her and has issues wanting things for herself which all lead to several catastrophes. After accepting his rejection she leaves the country to be away from him.>Nadeko who doesn't actually like him but just plays out that role cause she tries to act like the ideal woman and has idealized her childhood relationship with Araragi. Eventually comes to terms with the fact that she doesn't have to be an ideal woman and can just do what she wants to do (make manga).Everyone else has a totally different relationship to him.Granted one may still call it a harem anime despite this. The genre definition is kind of loose.
>>270293480NTA but come on. You are telling me that Bat and Snail don't have romantic feelings for him? Snail litterally confessed.
>>270293407Putting aside the thousand stones pun, the line:>Whether or not Sengoku’s outfit could be considered legal swimwear was also debatable, but for the opposite reason.Is absolutely hilarious.
>>270279848>Worth noting that his last manga was centered around ciphers and official translator literally gave up after 11 chapters or so due to sheer complexity of this shit.lmfao. It's crazy how much of a prolific writer Nisio is despite all of the complexity in his works.
>>270293761Nadeko was not only trying to show herself basically naked to Araragi but everyone else at the pool would see a basically naked middle schooler.
>>270258927no one says this>>270271201baited several people award
>>270283401The whole series is about trying to live a normal life despite all of this abnormality. Araragi is a vampire but he goes out of his way to keep his vampirism in check and doesn't even access his powers unless he has to, much less use them for his own benefit. Araragi's wagie pursuits aren't that simple either, even as a cop (and later as a detective) he still works primarily with investigating these sorts of occult cases.
>>270294218The fact this was never animated is a crime against humanity.At least we have fanart.
>>270278341>Non linear plotThis is the biggest meme around Monogatari. The release schedule is perfectly watchable as it is, you don't need any charts or anything.
>>270283991>>270291744This definitely looks like AI. Not even good AI. Some tell-tale signs are points where the diffusion algorithm converged to a different object from the surroundings, like the mangled rooftops in the first image and the plant inside the wall in the second image. There's an obscene number of errors, this doesn't even look like good AI, literally baby's first attempt at using a modern diffusion model.
>>270294409Neither LN order nor anime release order are linearly told. Though non-linear storytelling is fairly common and isn't as much of a filter as some people think.
>>270294409Anon, they just mean it's non-chronological.Also watching Kizumonogatari in the middle of Owarimonogatari is just retarded.
>brother-loving sisters>catgirls>lesbians>tomboys>yanderes>lolis>1000 y.o lolipire for normalfags to escape their guilt>pseudoharemthis anime is a fetishfest & its audience doesn't pretend otherwise. there are some characters like crab & kaiki that present fascinating dilemmas & messages to solve but they're few & in-between.
>>270293249https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_nadeshiko
>>270294375Why did her pubic area skin fuse to the thigh?
>>270286817The truth is you're a retard.Rope. Now.
>this pseudoseries is for pseudointellectual pseudopedophiles who pseudowishfullfill their pseudodesires with pseudofanservide and pseduoharem with pseudololis included
>>270293480There's a little more than that.>Hachikuji frequently fools around with him, kisses him and admits that she loved him when she passes on>Kanbaru basically plays pervert chicken with him and generally has such a high opinion of and close relationship with him that you have to wonder even if she insists that she's a lesbian>Has a psuedo-incestuous relationship with both of his sisters which has extended to bathing with them, fooling around with them and even (attempting to) kiss them romantically>Ononoki compliments his body when she sees him shirtless, kisses him, and tolerates him fooling around with her and spoiling her while she lives in his house>Shinobu is literally his "soulmate," with Kiss-shot making him her thrall treated as a deeply intimate special gesture and a very clear analogy to a serious romantic relationship, and he values his commitment to her so deeply that he explicitly prioritizes her over SenjougaharaDespite all of this I don't agree with characterizing Monogatari as a "harem" series. Maybe you could call it a "harem fantasy" for guys who want to be Araragi, but I think "harem" as a genre is contingent on both a focus on romance and the possibility for romantic development between the MC and multiple girls. Monogatari fails both of these criteria, Araragi's love life is certainly not a primary focus of the series (at least past Bake) and despite all of the "fooling around" Araragi has been in a committed relationship from almost the beginning of the series. Any time another girl has a mad a serious advance on him, he has flatly rejected them; there is never any question that Araragi loves Senjougahara or that he might leave her for anyone else.
>>270294697That's her adductor brevis, sticking out slightly through the skin because her leg is stretched out. Try doing a split, you should feel a cord there between your groin and your femur.
>>270294775Shinobu is so perfect, everyone wants to die for or with her
>>270293729Bat is more like a daughter and he eventually adopts her. With snail there is that, but it's largely cause Araragi is the only person she has spent time with over the last decade and she has fun with him. It's not like a will-they-won't-they dynamic.
>>270294560Why the moral crusade? if you dont like it then dont engage, simple as
>>270294902I'm sure Araragi will treat his daughters the same way he treats his sisters
>>270294775Some of that stuff might actually just be Araragi being an unreliable narrator. I think that stuff only occurs when he's the one telling us the story.
>>270294902>Bat is more like a daughtersee >>270273528She is his sworn partner, and will remain so even after everyone has died and he still lives due to his vampirism.
>>270275101Completely agree.
>>270294697>>270294871Actually, I think it's the adductor longus tendon. The adductor brevis is generally underneath the longus.
>>270295315literally this ^^
>>270295300lol, he and Senjougahara (after getting married) adopt Shinobu as their daughter. They appear as a happy family in the latest parts of Okitegami Kyouko
>>270295831Not monogatari series, not canon nor relevant.
A harem is a series where more than 2 girls love the MC. Simple as that. Also harem doesn't mean bad writing. Only pretentious western retards say this. >>270295831Not him, but how does it change anything at all? They don't really have a father-daughter relationship.
>>270291744>>270283991>shinbo comes back from 13 years to direct an episode>immediately uses lower quality AI images that are very obvious even for the average consumerUnironically, what did he mean by this? What's the big idea? Do you think shinbo actually plans to integrate AI and make it part of the shaft style? Have nips noticed these AI images and what is their reactions to them? I hope that there is at least a little backlash for it, I don't want this to become part of the norm for shaft
>>270295028who said i do not like it? i furiously masturbate to the characters because i have a connection to them nearly a decade since it finished airing.
>>270296021the new director is a woman. she approved this. shinbo is likely against this and will probably leave the studio after this season wraps up
>>270295898The first spoiler happens in Ikusamonogatari. The second one happens in untranslated LNs.
>>270272214What about 100kano?
>>270296086They appear as a happy family on the outside. No one gotta know what happens in the bedroom
>>270296007>They don't really have a father-daughter relationship.Araragi sees her as a child and so that's what she becomes, it's part of her nature as an oddity. Araragi doesn't view her as a woman.
>>270296206isn't it some nurse kink shit? i think it's mentioned in one of the short stories
>>270296226Araragi is a pedophile
>>270296226This is true, but you're failing to account for the fact Araragi's also a lolicon.
>>270283976i choose "Yo! Wanna scoot to the gym?" shinobu
>>270259226The characters, dialogue, characterization, banter, themes, philosophies are the focus of Monogatari. Nothing to do with plot. That's just window dressing.
>>270295186I think the idea of Araragi (or any Monogatari protagonist) as an "unreliable narrator" has been blown way out of proportion, especially since people were originally using it as an explanation for SHAFT's stylistic choices in the adaptation.Each book obviously follows its narrator's perspective, and is colored to some extent by their interpretation of events, but I don't recall Araragi ever deliberately misleading the reader. The only ones who do are Nadeko in Otori and Kaiki in Koi, and in both cases their credibility is called into question immediately - Otori opens with Nadeko clearly not in her right mind after killing Araragi and Shinobu, and Kaiki tells you from the start that you shouldn't trust everything he says. For a mystery enthusiast like Nisio, it's not his style to pull a cheap trick on the reader like that.Araragi's reputation as a pervert, lolicon and borderline philanderer is well established, not only by his own account but from other protagonists as well. When I see this idea (especially from places like Twitter) that Araragi is making himself look worse out of some sense of self-sabotage or self-loathing, it comes off to me as cope from people who are uncomfortable with him acting that way and want to pretend that he isn't.To give a counter-example, Kanbaru certainly would not lie to make her beloved senpai look bad, but in Hana we get an account of him mildly harassing her as a joke (and apologizing when he thinks she might have taken it the wrong way) and proudly boasting about fooling around with his sisters.
>>270296021>Have nips noticed these AI images and what is their reactions to them?around half the manga i've read since 2022 are chock-full of AI drawing. now i don't browse xitter or the nipchans, but considering it's an increasing phenomenon i doubt there's been much pushback against it. >>270296386>>270296405he truly is literally me!
>>270296583>When I see this idea (especially from places like Twitter) that Araragi is making himself look worse out of some sense of self-sabotage or self-loathingI haven't heard that before. Those people are coping.Araragi could still be embellishing and making stuff up, doesn't mean he's doing it to make himself look bad. Dude is still a horny teenager himself.
>>270294350>The whole series is about trying to live a normal life despite all of this abnormality.This becomes a problem whenever the abnormality is far more enticing than normality, as Shinobu (mythological levels of beauty, basically completely devoted to Araragi) is moreso than Hitagi (fickle and controlling woman with emotional baggage). No japanese author has ever made a compelling argument for this kind of theme, hence the isekai genre exploding for basically telling normalcy to fuck off and slapping every one of these authors in the face in the process.
>>270296583This. The "unreliable narrator" aspect is way too overblown during discussions
>>270295300>She is his sworn partner, and will remain so even after everyone has died and he still lives due to his vampirism.This isn't going to happen. Araragi's humanity was restored when Gaen killed and resurrected him, and it was made clear in Tsukimonogatari that whether he ends up as more human or vampire depends on how he lives his life. He learned his lesson and has fully committed to life as a human, no longer abusing his relationship with Shinobu (and it took a lot of abuse for his vampirism to progress to the point of losing his reflection). He is living as and will die as a human. He might live a long time with his good health, but not longer than a human could.>>270296007>They don't really have a father-daughter relationship.They don't exactly have a romantic relationship either, Araragi doesn't lust for her even when she gets in the bath with him and sticks her ass in his face. He cares about her more than anything, and the way that's expressed can change as he gets older and she stays the same.
>>270296583>especially from places like TwitterJust like Denjiggers!
>>270296876>Araragi doesn't lust for herhe enjoyed the taste of her leggins though
>>270296876>Crabkek cope
>unreliable writer>unreliable narrator>unreliable animators>unreliable reader/watcher
>>270296876>dogshit subs
>>270296791It's more of a Japanese cultural thing. This idea that everyone should do their best to live a productive life as a member of society and not stand out.Narou-kei authors all started off writing retarded fanfics in the same community. So, they're kind of outsiders to the establishment (in a more deranged way than regular otakus) and are often not really intent on writing stuff with complex themes and shit. Like the Mushoku Tensei author started off planning to write a retarded wish fulfillment (web novel) series and only changed his mind and reworked it to be more serious after the trauma scene with Roxy at the gate got him a ton of unexpected popularity.It's not really a good thing imo. Essentially, imagine if after 50 Shades of Gray came out, western studios decided to start adapting other retarded shit from Archive of Our Own and that just became the norm. That's essentially what has happened to anime.
>>270297158Commie? MTBB?>>270296876Official subs?
>>270294519Its always so weird to me when anons recommend Kizu to be watched thenIt was originally planned to be released after the Bake anime (first being announced on July 2010), the production just sucked ass and it was delayed multiple times.
what a retarded thread
>>270288152based
>>270296059>it's all fetishbait the good parts are few and far between>well i still connect with the characters after a decadeWhy don't you just be honest with yourself instead of trying to fit in by talking shit?
>>270297131unreliable poster
>>270299144unreliable website
>>270297235>western studios decided to start adapting other retarded shit from Archive of Our Own and that just became the normIf the west invested in independent online talents instead of dumping all their money into nepotism, the entertainment sphere might not have spent the last 5 years being rapidly consumed by asian companies who did exactly that.
>>270296488>>270259930Plot is the events that occur in a story, you goddamn retards. Dialogue is plot. Character exploration and development is plot. Concepts, ideas raised by a work, it's all fucking part of the plot. I am tired of you mouth breathers going "ERM ACKSHUALLY THE SHOW FOCUSES MAINLY ON [PLOT ELEMENT] SO THE PLOT IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT".
>>270300091>A plot is the sequence of events within a story: a description of what happens and why it happens. A story is a comprehensive narrative. Plot is a part of the story, but a story also includes settings, characters, themes, and other factors that influence how the events (or plot) are told.
>>270300091When people speak of "plot" they are talking about the narrative of the story. Do you not understand that a story exists out of several layers?Plot layer: Character A goes to place X for reason Z. On their way they stumble on Character F who they end up conversing with to seek the way to place X.Plot is a high-level overview of, as you said, the events of the story. But the actual conversation that happens (the dialogue, the way the characters speak, their mannerisms) has nothing to do with the plot. You can change any of those things and the plot will still run as envisioned.
>>270291945>doll with a Phillies beanieBased
Tropicalesque didn't deserve it bros
>>270283991This is sad and embarassing.
>>270293480>The genre definition is kind of loose.Not really.Do three+ characters have a romantic / sexual interest in a single other character? Yes? It's harem shit. It's a very simple, cut and dry, definition. Also, you're delusional if you try to pretend only those girls want to fuck Agiriri.
>>270302213>love polygons are harem shit
>>270259226The plot is literally just an excuse to have characters have fun conversations, as described by the author. The voice acting and delivery in the anime is the only good part. Everything else in very experimental and cheap.
>>270283991>look at us, we are so modern and efficient and trendy, yes we're using AI!>what do you mean the molten shapes on the roofs make it look like a mentally ill person approved this?
>>270302265Uh? Yes?Love polygons are usually A likes B, B likes C, and C likes D.But I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. You seem retarded.
>>270302213>It's a very simple, cut and dry, definition. You are a retard. The harem genre fundamentally works on the premise that you don't know who the MC is going to end up with because he's a self-insert who is equally receptive to every character's advances and that drives the central drama of the story. In this genre, viewers spend their time debating who will win the MC-bowl. Anime like Go Toubun or even Oshi no Ko are more typical of the harem genre.In Monogatari the series opens up by making the main character immediately start dating their future wife in the first arc (publication order/broadcast order). We don't see other girls slowly fall in love with Araragi, rather we see the opposite, girls who like Araragi getting rebuffed and their arcs ending with them leaving his life.
>>270302760My point is that your definition is awful because love polygons are obviously not harem shit.>Uh? Yes?You're the retard here.
>>270302213Is Evangelion a harem anime?
>>270258927Monogatari taught me that it's okay to be a cuck and that I'm morally superior for settling for joyless, low effort relationships with insecure bitches who openly don't respect me purely out of convenience.
>>270303278based same
>>270303278Now tell me what would be the "healthy" relationship you suggest instead.
>>270302835Except love polygons (usually) don't have 3+ people romantically interesting in a SINGLE other character. Like, are you fucking retarded and can't count to three? And that's leaving aside how they are not exclusive, and something CAN be both harem shit and a love polygon.
>>270302803>tries to call other people retards>is actually shit eating retarded himselfA tale as old as time.>The harem genre fundamentally works on the premise that you don't know who the MC is going to end up withObjectively wrong. The Japanese definition of the term even explicitly states as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(genre)>features a protagonist who's surrounded by three or more suitors, love interests and/or sexual partners.https://anidb.net/tag/2859/animetb>Harem is an entertainment-related trope which is characterized by three or more characters, normally female, who for some reason are in the presence and under the influence of one character, generally malehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HaremGenre>premise involves a "harem" of at least 3 (but usually more) girls sharing a common interest in a male protagonist.https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ハーレムもの>主人公である1人の男性(女性)キャラクターに対して多数の異性キャラクターが対置され、多くの場合は大勢の異性が1人の男性(女性)に対して好意を抱く。主人公はハーレムを構成する異性全員と平等に付き合うのが基本であるが、物語が進むにつれて特定の1人と正式なカップルになる場合も少なくない。The Japanese definition of the harem genre straight up says "the male MC choosing a single love interest does not exclude it from being a harem".
>>270303057How many people want to fuck Shinji again?AsukaRei + thousands of Rei clones (his mother)Misato KawruKajiMariYeah, it's harem shit.
>>270303465mutual masturbation sessions with my monkey wife who shares my interests
>>270303551>>270303551>Except love polygons (usually) don't have 3+ people romantically interesting in a SINGLE other characterThey certainly can.>and something CAN be both harem shit and a love polygon.It's extremely rare for there to be much complexity in actual harem shit. Which you would know if you knew what harem shit was.
>>270303650>Harem is an entertainment-related trope which is characterized by three or more characters, normally female, who for some reason are in the presence and under the influence of one character, generally maleThis is hilariously vague"a trope where three characters are around one character" what the fuck does that mean, you're describing like 90% of all media ever published
>>270303759I do know what harem shit is. You going "NUH UH!!!!" doesn't mean you "win". You really just don't want to admit you're retarded and can't read. Because you thought what was said was "there are three characters romantically interested in three other characters". When in reality it said a "single other character".
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/text/https%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%E3%83%8F%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%A0%E3%82%82%E3%81%AE/
>>270303803Not really. It's very cut and dry. It's saying the exact same thing as all the other dentitions.
>>270303939Don't worry, I wasn't seriously considering your post for even a second, I just wanted to point and laugh at how stupid it was
>>270303733Yes, the person that tried to kill Araragi and that the series admits still has latent hatred for Araragi.
>>270303910And? You constantly get shit on for being retarded and need the same thing repeated to you many times over because you never want to admit you're wrong.
>>270303892>you thought what was said was "there are three characters romantically interested in three other characters"How would that be remotely relevant to the conversation? This is the stupidest fucking attempt at seizing a victory I've ever seen. There are love polygons with 3+ characters interested in one. Obviously that's what I meant, considering that even a disingenuous retard like you admits that is true.
>>270303991It's funny how you're so autistic, psychotic and retarded that you think your "consideration" actually means something. It's even more funny because you have to cope with constantly being wrong by deluding yourself into thinking you "win" just because you say you're "loling" while you name-call.
>>270304006>How would that be remotely relevant to the conversation?It wouldn't, which is why you're fucking retarded for thinking that's what was said.>There are love polygons with 3+ characters interested in oneCorrect. And, again, they are not exclusive. So you never ever sort of had a point no matter how you try to damage control.
>>270304052>autistic, psychotic and retardedesl schizo running through a checklist of projections lmfao
>270304052lol
>>270304111>>270304223Aww, the asshurt retard gets called out and he thinks he's "winning" because he says buzzwords like "schizo". >autisticMeans you have poor social skills and repetitive behavior.>psychoticDelusions of grandeur, and you think you're vastly more important than you are. Why you think your "consideration" means something.>retardedUnable to learn, which is why you think you are smart, and don't know simple things like what harem shit is, or understanding basic sentences. Fucking clown status.
>>270304340You've been getting destroyed every time you try this shit since 2015. Keep shitting up threads with your absolutely delusional image of "victory", you are clearly beyond help.
>>270304439It's just so funny how not only are you fucking totally insane in every possible definition of the term, you are also so fucking retarded you can't even sort of function correctly.You literally can't prove a single thing said about you wrong.
>>270303650lmfao, imagine being this retarded. You may as well argue that Monogatari is a horror because there's a murder plot.
>>270303720>How many people want to fuck Shinji again?Literally no one. That's the plot.
>>270303939It's just describing one feature, not a definition.
>>270304340I'm not any of those anons but it's obvious you just have a ton of people shitting on you for being a retard.
>>270305221>>270305165>please!!! im begging you!! think i am more than one person and everyone agrees with me!!!Nah.
>>270305089>l- look!!! i said lmfao!!1!!!>t- that meens i win!!!It's so funny watching retards try to cope with being wrong.
