>>271340884
Old mangaka had more nuanced, varied life than just being otaku and implemented their experiences into their work.

>>271340884
Newer shounen typically excel in 4 areas in my opinion:
1) They aren't as long.
2) Their adaptations have much more consistent animation (but also never hit the high highs of the classics).
3) The biggest names either combine things with a feel the classics don't have or do things the classics didn't. Just look at fucking Fire Punch. This is not always a good thing, but it's also not always a bad thing.
4) The authors can be heartless when they want to be toward their main cast.
However, they almost all do have a soulless feeling to them. It's hard to put into measurable or specific terms, and it could even partially be nostalgia. It's almost as if their characters are channeling half-hearted happiness at best. Goku and Luffy suffer so much in their stories, but they also radiate a vibe like they're enjoying life, doing what they want to do (when they aren't flanderized like they are at present). Even someone like Yusuke is having a good time spitting one liners while he risks his life. I feel like pretty much all the new series have this unshakable sense of suffering or obsession with negativity. Undead Unluck is the one that made me smile most often, but even then, the premise is literally conceptual negation.

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>>271340884
Just comparing these shitty nu-shounens to the old manga is a fucking insult

Yes, Naruto did turn to shit at some point with some highlights here and there after that point
Yes, Bleach did go downhill after Soul Society arc but even after that it had kino moments
One Piece was consistently good until the time skip and then followed the example of the other 2 big ones, became shit with big highlights then went back to being shit again

But despite that, all these nu-garbage shounen like JJK, BNHA, KNY or CSM do not compare to the old generation much less the Big 3 when they were at their peak. They're just more consistent but they never hit the same highs

These nu-shounen are only saved by their anime versions having good music and occasionally amazing sakuga animation moments that turn "meh" manga moments into hype anime scenes. Otherwise they're completely bottom of the barrel garbage and consistently mediocre

If any of these seeies were released back in the early 2000s at the heyday of Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, they would have been canceled after 6 weeks of serialization

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>>271341517
JJK is one of the worst manga I had the displeasure of reading and I will always hold a grudge against the normalfag audience for buying me into this. There is nothing here but shock factor and powerfantasyfagging, Gojo is the embodiment of this, but nerfed in the sense that he accomplishes nothing with so that the plot can happen. He is a character who can easily be removed from the story by nerfing the antagonists (which would still easily outclass 95% of the cast, so you can keep you misery and despair thing going) and nothing would change.

The MC is overshadowed by the support cast and is in general excruciatingly boring, not even the author is not fond of him. This is indeed so profoundly bad that the community mindbroke itself with "i'm... a cog" maymays as a coping mechanism. There are myriad of plot contrivances after the Shibuya arc (which there is even even in that arc), but it's painfully obvious how the author stopped caring at the start of the next arc, this is where you will see the "PUNCH HARDER" meme clearly starting to manifest itself with a trackload of unispired fights.

No character has any depth and are typical tropes sprinkled with a little "mature edginess", see Nanami or Higurama, they exist so they can die/be crippled for the shock factor, the only character with a semblance of soul being Todo. This applies to villains or neutral parties as well which they exist to fight/torture the main cast and then job to a more powerful bad guy (Jogo, Kashimo, Mahito). I won't even go into depth into the sheer levels of faggotry omitted from each page and the horrendous looking women, as if the author is alergic to a presentable female form, the main heroine was in a narrative limbo for almost 4 years. It also has a major demographic of people watching shounen, or perhaps even anime in general for the first time, making it's fanbase highly insufferable.

Why is this popular again?

>>271340884
One piece is pretty forgotten though

Stop watching stuff made for children

>>271340884
>>bro you need to watch attack on titan it's amazing (forgotten shit)
>>bro you need to watch my hero academia it's really good (forgotten shit)
>>bro you need to watch jujutsu kaisen it's bussin fr (forgotten shit)
>>bro you need to watch demon slayer it's the best show ever (forgotten shit)
funny, have never seen any of those and never will.
Seasonal trash then, seasonal trash now.
Even fucking toriko was better.

>>271341510
>I feel like pretty much all the new series have this unshakable sense of suffering or obsession with negativity.
Literally where is this in MHA? Like the last 2 arcs maybe? Even then it's a stretch considering how those moments are tossed aside immediately after the arc ends

>>271340884
>Why are new school shounen so soulless compared to the old classics?
A lot of them forget the worldbuilding entirely and just turn their series into boss gauntlets
There's no world, there's just people with powers who bukkake eachother
I don't WANT to be a jujucaca or a demonslayer or a deku or whatever, it's all kinda lame and up in the air
There's no universe to make me go "so cool!"
AoT was sabotaged by it's own author though so that one is a different case

>>271342340
>Why is this popular again?
muh sakooga

>>271341510
>I feel like pretty much all the new series have this unshakable sense of suffering or obsession with negativity.
A lot of the classics were (Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya, Rokudenashi Blues, Rurouni Kenshin, Death Note, HunterxHunter)

>>271343296
maybe he's one of those who think deku ended up alone, betrayed, unhappy and working at mcdonald's

You will only know the true impact of a work of art after a certain amount of time has passed. Saint Seiya was more popular than Dragon Ball during its serialization but today it is almost forgotten. People hated the ending of Naruto when it was serialized but today they find it satisfactory. Be patient.

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>>271340884
>Dragon Ball
No rebuttal
>Naruto
Deflated as soon as it ended
>One Piece
Only getting popular now, specially with niggers, popular only in Japan before
>Bleach
Never reached the level of any of the other three
>Yu Yu Hakusho
No one below the age of 25 has watched it
>Slam Dunk
Niche
>Hunter x Hunter
Cult status but forever tainted by hiatus
>Hokuto no Ken
No one below the age of 30 has watched it
>City Hunter
No one below the age of 35 has watched it
>Dr. Slump
Only popular in Japan
>Ninku
No one fucking remembers it
>Kinnikuman
No one fucking remembers it and no one below the age of 35 has watched it
>Dragon Quest
Only popular in Japan
>Death Note
Not a shonen
>Shaman King
Only popular in European countries
>Rokudenashi Blues
>Rurouni Kenshin
>Cobra
>Mazinger Z
>YGO
>Bastard!
Tyred of typing, any of the other remarks apply

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>>271343953
>>Death Note
>Not a shonen

>>271343953
>post talking about soul/soulless
>catposter replies with "not popular"
very strange

>>271340884
These manga didn’t have soul, soul is not a fucking real thing. They were never good they just came first and you have a bias towards them because that’s what was big when you were a kid. Grow the fuck up and stop sperging out shit made for children.

>>271343847
>Saint Seiya was more popular than Dragon Ball during its serialization
No it wasn't. Saint Seiya was only more popular for a short period of time and that was in the beginning. A few months later, Dragon Ball eclipsed it and it never surpassed it at any point. The only series that could give Dragon Ball a run for its was Slam Dunk.

Dragon Ball was literally the best thing that could've ever happened to Jump and their sales upped by 15%. When it ended, Jump's readership dropped from 6.5 million yearly to just 4 in 2 years. Then when Slam Dunk ended, there's another two million drop to 1997.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goTkB-Eq27k

>>271344292
>soul is not a fucking real thing
Shut up atheist scum

>>271344509
not him but the ss anime was a lot more popular, so much so that the db editor asked the producers for help

>>271344550
I’m right. You’re wrong. And soul is a faggy excuse for “back in my day” as niggas

I recommend shows to my friend all the time which are what I consider hidden gems, he would watch hero academia or jututsu kaisen. This current generation who watches this garbage and isekai slop needs to be thrown in a fire. I miss old /a/.

>>271344746
Shut up you godless atheist scum. God will have mercy on your worthless soul whether you like it or not.

>>271342340
>Why is this popular again?
precisely because of the shock factor and >>271343486

>>271344850
>This current generation should be thrown into fire because my “friend” doesn’t watch my shows.

Dude you’re fucking lame as hell, actually kill yourself lol. And thoughts and prayers to your friend, hope he drops your ass once he finds out what a massive sperg you are.

>>271340884
Oh yay it’s the same thread verbatim posted ever day again!

>>271344746
If you concede to the existence of a mind, you more or less concede the existence of a soul or spirit, depending what those words are actually supposed to mean. Man obviously has an immaterial element that goes beyond basic reactions to physical and chemical stimuli. You wouldn't be able to judge someone's character or have a notion of improvement otherwise. Consequently, that immaterial element is reflect in art and experienced by others because it moves in tandem with the mind and body. A lot of series (not just new ones) have a sense that the author is just doing what's popular at the time to sell it. It's not like Toriyama where he did it to make money, but the art is quite uniquely his own with his perception flowing through the ink. I think when people say something is soulless, they're really saying the work doesn't have enough substance to surpass their benchmarks and make them appreciate the novelty. In many cases, there is no novelty because the work is a cash grab (see all the exorcist series, shitty isekai, reboots, and series trying to continue an older work for which the creator has long since lost passion).

This is not to say that a lot of the attachment people have to art is separate from nostalgia. Your formative years are very important and I think for most people, the way art makes them feel is more important than what's going on under the hood. If you liked it as a kid and it holds up to your sensibilities enough to still enjoy it as an adult, you'll obviously use it as a benchmark of sorts.

P.S. I wrote this in a weird order, so the first paragraph references the last. I am too sleepy to fix it

Burrakurouva

>>271347105
Bro, to long did not fucking read. Where is this hippie bullshit coming from?

>>271347475
How do you know it's hippie bullshit if you didn't read it?

>>271348341
I saw multiple paragraphs and knew automatically that it was pseudo intellectual nonsense.

>>271342376
Are we living in different fucking universes or what? Its literally everywhere, more so than at any point in time

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Comparing SnK to other nu shonen is a bit of an insult to SnK. SnKs dogshit ending is considered a disaster purely because the story preceding it was great. SnK had a storyline, lore, worldbuilding and compelling characters, it only comes crashing down with the ending which we all know what it did to the manga.

In comparison JJK for me has always been a husk of a manga. Its basically DBZ and HxH but without the good parts of DBZ and HxH. It has no coherent storyline, no lore, no worldbuilding, no compelling character development or interaction, no unique world to call it home, literally nothing. I always called it the perfect example of how shallow and niggerish is the modern audience, funny thing is the whole "we got no good writing, just hype and aura moments" memes that zoomers have been passing around show they themselves are self aware to what they're reading. Its genuinely bizarre to this day how this manga made it big and the same goes with MHA and KnY. Thing is I never liked all the older shonen but I always understood why people could like HxH, Yu Yu Hakusho, FMA, Slam Dunk, One Piece, Naruto etc etc. Like all these shows had charm, decent storyline amd good characters so even if a setting didnt interest me like say Slam Dunk and it being a sports manga, I still understood why people would lile this. I just dont get it with nu shonen, call me an old boring boomer or whatever but even I cant take this level of blandness, I cant believe we've come to a poont where Dragon Ball is somehow better written than most nu shonen

>>271340884
Dragonball is genuinely shit. Freeza is the last thing in it even a slow Mexican teenager should be able to stomach, and yet you guys are watching fucking Super. You really need to kill yourselves.

>>271345075
Look how assmad you are, childrens slop enjoyer. Also, been friends with him for longer than you have been on this site, that doesn't change the fact both of you have shit taste.

>>271349286
Nigga who said like these series? Are you fucking retarded? All I said is that you’re a lame baby fag who throws a fit and looks down on his own friend because he doesn’t like what you like. You are a bad friend and a lame as nigga.

>>271349192
True. I don’t see why people act like it was any better than what came after. It was fucking terrible. The soul/charm argument is literally the most retarded shit ever. It’s just a bunch of old fucks trying to claim nostalgia lol?

>>271341285
This. Even the nerdy shit/entertainment they consumed was better and more varied

>>271348533
Concession accepted. Now gb2r

>>271340884
Bleach is ass stop pushing this shit

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>>271343847
>People hated the ending of Naruto when it was serialized but today they find it satisfactory
Nobody hated Naruto's ending. People hated Kaguya.
>>271343953
>Naruto
>deflated
Maybe in your low IQ mind. There is not a single anime/manga as pop culture-y as Naruto.

>>271348845
this
>>271340884
AOT had a genuinely insane story until the last 10% of it.

>>271348845
SnK became dogshit a lot earlier

>>271349950
Who fucking cares? Naruto was top to bottom goy shit.

>>271349950
>Nobody hated Naruto's ending.
the final chapter was the most soap opera cliche garbage ever with sakura as a housewife and shit like that, stop fucking lying

>>271340884
>Old good, new bad
Old shit, new shit. Stop reading children’s books and act like an adult for once.

>>271349983
Sure but like I said, SnK doesnt have the issue of blandness that other nu shonen had. It was a great story up until it wasnt but it still was at some point a great story. I cant say that for any of the nu shonens

>>271348845
JJK became famous thanks to shock value and Mappa animation

KnY became famous thanks to muh tragic flashback and Ufotable animation

MHA has really cute and compelling characters and great art, it's the one of the trio that I think will age better despite its anime being meh

>>271350124
SnK is mainly responsible for misery porn shonen such as CSM, JJK, Demon Slayer and Kagurabachi.

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>>271350063
that was the Gaiden wasn't it?

The final chapter was this

>>271350213
>>271350130
the "tragedy" and sympathetic crying characters are a legacy of Naruto desu for good or bad. before naruto you had apathetic, goofy or ultra serious main characters and after naruto...well...yeah.

>>271350100
>act like an adult for once
I prefer to read manga than pay for a foid, thank you very much cucky. Not the own you think it is.

>>271350241
At least Naruto didn't need to kill off its characters every chapter to shock the reader.

>>271350267
That’s is, the weakest shit, I have ever heard.

>>271343953
After the latter half of the Buu Saga, the popularity of Dragon Ball had already declined, and for about eight years until the revival boom occurred, it was practically a dead franchise.
During this period in Japan, Mini yonku, Evangelion, and Pokémon were creating new waves, and Dragon Ball was rapidly being forgotten.

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bleach fucking sucks dude

>>271350379
Because, to begin with, there were no shocking developments in Naruto.
The part where the Hokage died during the Chunin Exams arc was pretty decent, but that’s about it.

>>271350538
Nah this is not one of the (legit) criticisms people can make of Naruto. The series did have sad/tragic moments and they were handled well. The issue were the repetitive flashbacks in the anime

Stuff like Minato's goodbye or Jiraiya's death were done very smoothly

>>271350538
Naruto was sheer, unadulterated, boredom

>>271350576
I dropped part 1 like 3 times. I honestly can’t see what the hype was about. It really just gets better treatment because it’s older.

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>>271350564
>Jiraiya's death
I don’t understand why this is treated as a shocking scene by Narutards.
From the moment Jiraiya offered to infiltrate the Hidden Rain Village, it was as if Kishimoto was shouting through a loudspeaker, "Ladies and gentlemen! He’s going to die in this arc, so get your handkerchiefs ready!"
So, it was obvious from that point that he would die.
A truly shocking death scene is one that happens suddenly, without the audience being prepared for it.

>>271350538
Jiraiya had the only genuinely sad death, Asuma, if you like Shikamaru or got more attached by anime, which Third Hokage falls into as well then gets shat up retroactively.

>>271350884
I felt genuinely nothing for any of these characters. I had to fucking look up who asuma even is.

>>271350845
I thought yall were talking about "sad" or tragic moments but yeah I think anybody who was following could see the massive death flags.

>>271350884
>>271350961
Asuma's death was kinda funny because he was irrelevant but I think Shikamaru's reaction to it after he kills Hidan was the part to look out for

Can Oldfags tell me how fujos were back in the days? So many fujos I see nowadays are cancer with their headcanon.

>>271340884
Because you grew up with the old school shonen.

>>271351223
Is nostalgia like foreign concept to old heads?

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>>271350812
>gets better treatment because it’s older.

Naruto and Bleach are literally examples of this.
Personally, I also think Dragon Ball is overrated, as the story and universe are not explored in depth. (I do acknowledge that the art and battle scenes are well-made.)
As oldman who has been reading manga since the golden era of the mid-90s, I feel that the new-generation shonen listed by OP are better these older works, and many of the old gen are "unfairly" overvalued due to nostalgia.

I can understand why One Piece gets good recognition since, at least in the first half, its storytelling and universe-building are solid.
As for older-generation manga that I clearly consider superior to new-generation manga, off the top of my head, they are:

JoJo (Parts 1, 2, and 4)
Slam Dunk
Dragon Quest: Dai no Daiboken
Hikaru no Go
Level E
Eye-Shield 21
Nogami Neuro
Death Note
Hunter x Hunter

That’s about it.
I would like to include Yu Yu Hakusho due to sentimental reasons, but in retrospect, it’s pretty mediocre outside of the Sensui arc.

>>271340884
That's cool OP, but AOT's soundtrack still rocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy63u2hKoPE

>>271351363
Naruto is NOT an example of this. Naruto is still highly respected in Japan in 2024.

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>>271348845
>Fullreddit Malchemist
There is nothing to like about this crap
Fuck off

>>271351497
The go to overrated “masterpiece” dick sucked by every shonentard on planet earth second only to hxh

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I finally read jojo through part 4 and I think some of you people are pulling my leg about it being good. Dio was a charismatic beast and I appreciated some of the comedy but it's well below what people hyped it to be. Is there like a massive quality jump after part 4?

>>271351385
Naruto is mocked quite a lot, at least in Japanese online communities.
The main reasons are Kishimoto’s lack of writing skills and poor command of the Japanese language, leading to clumsy dialogue.
However, it is acknowledged that the series was good from the beginning up to the Chunin Exam arc, as he had a competent editor during that period.

I used to think the same about Naruto. I really did. Blah blah blah, it might have sucked but it had high highs. Then my older brother has to live at home for a few months during lockdown, starts watching Naruto. I watch the Neji fight with him. Holy shit, it sucks and is slow as fuck. I watched Sasuke Retrieval arc. I had remembered the Sound Village being cool, but they're just random NPCs, and the kids all have fakeout deaths and turn out just fine.
It's honestly depressing to see it really wasn't ever that great.

>>271351571
No, just drop it. Only trannies and annoying twitter freaks like jojo unironically.

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>>271351580
I think you're flipping 4chan/japanese 4chan with the general audience. You gave it away with the editor bit, which nobody besides people who use 4chan/"online communities" bring up.

>>271350130
MHA is the most sovlful of nushonen, the world feels like a living breathing place, the characters feel like living people. KNY has good characters but the world isn’t very well developed - I could easily picture myself as a rank and file shinigami in Bleach, or a ninja in Naruto, but I’d struggle to do the same for KnY. JJK is perhaps the least soulful of the nu shonen. I remember a hunterfag copypasta about how there are no actual characters in JJK, just empty imitations. This is true. The whole series operates off of hype, shock value, “aura”, cool one-liner quotes, and fights beefed up in the anime.

>>271351601
Growing up is accepting that all the anime you liked as a kid was actually trash.

>>271351571
only part 7 is good, unironically.

>>271351648
MHA is carried by excellent waifus

>>271340884
Because they always try to copy Naruto and don’t try to be nuanced, only caring about LE AURA and getting daddy MAPPA to animate their scribbles

>>271351601
the naruto anime is a slow and bad adaptation. the manga's better. you (we) just had more patience for slower anime as a kid.

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>>271351570
The worst part are the tards that pretend it's not filled to the brim with agonizing shonen tropes just like everything else. At its core FMA preaches the same shit as Fairy Tail.

>>271351684
Like Naruto had nuance? It literally was LE AURA with carried by animation.

Let’s talk about these new manga guys can’t draw women for shit. Like what happened?

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>>271351743
>carried by animation
>Naruto
Naruto is like the only shonen series with value.

>>271340884
AOT is still super popular, what are you on about?

If anything the fact that we’re still talking about it four years after it ended is proof that it was the best manga of that decade.

>>271351756
Mf, what value? The only thing people remember from Naruto are fights and characters with cool powers.

>>271351799
it's like the only shonen with interesting characters worth following and getting invested in. the anime for naruto isn't even like that unlike the manga which is always ranking at the top in japan

>>271351638
>Gintama
The fact that this shit is included shows that the ranking has no meaning whatsoever.
While there were some funny parts in the gag sections, the author often didn’t know how to wrap up episodes and abandoned them, resulting in awkward endings, which shows a lack of storytelling ability.
As for Assassination Classroom, it’s not bad, but it doesn’t have enough substance to be ranked this high.
Neuro is much better in comparison.

>>271351743
Exactly

>>271351756
>pulls out one frame from a sequence thats supposed to be in motion.
> Le animation not that good
We have reached peak retard

>>271351823
Literally any character outside of Naruto and sasuke I barely remember a single fucking character beat. So ether I’m dying of dementia or your precious Naruto is poorly written and not special.

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>>271351756
Naruto had a very high quality compared to the standards of shonen anime at the time.
I haven’t forgotten the era when Naruto fags were mocking One Piece by showcasing the differences in animation quality.
Then, with the emergence of KNY and JJK, and the improvement in One Piece’s animation quality along with the decision to produce the WIT version, suddenly they started crying, "B-but, we don’t rely on the quality of the anime anyway!"

KWAB.

>>271351999
That’s enough computer time for today, grandpa

>>271352025
lol, knew it, standing on absolutely nothing

>>271352010
>source: the voices in my head
Naruto anime adaptation was poorly animated and objectively poorly paced.

I have no idea what drugs you're taking

>>271352058
Yes, you’re dying of dementia. And you’ll be right again the next day about the exact same thing

>>271351999
lmao ok

>>271352108
Niggas so mad he taking my joke seriously just to escape the fact that he’s wrong. The delusions of narutards need to be studied.

when you grandpas die no one will remember these shits too.

>>271352197
>SEETHE SEETHE YOURE SEETHING IM TOTALLY NOT NARUTAAAAAAAAARD
kek

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>>271352239
Oh pookie bear, it’s ok to admit you’re a little mad.

Speaking of forgotten shit what happened to Yume nikki? Did it fall off a cliff near the end or was everyone so satisfied that there's nothing to discuss anymore?

>>271351363
This.
For example, I can agree with the claim that JoJo and Slam Dunk are superior to the new generation.
However, I feel discomfort with the tendency in /a/ to deify Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach, worshipping them as if it's kind of religion.
Among these four, the only one I can confidently say is better than AOT, MHA, KNY, JJK, and CSM is only One Piece up until the Skypiea arc.
Perhaps DB too, but only for the Saiyan and Frieza arcs.

>>271351363
>Dragon Ball is overrated
Dragon Ball is the only shonen ever made that knew how to perfectly use the weekly SJ format. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, they all tried to be bigger than the format allows and that's why they screwed up. All this coping and lame theories regarding the ending of Jujutsu only exists because Gege was too pretentious.

Someone summarize what happened in JJK after Gojo got scissored, that was shitposted so much I absorbed a bit through osmosis, how did they beat the unbeatable bad guy that all the rest of the cast was too weak to even interfere against?

>>271352311
My ass thought you were talking about the game. I didn’t even know there was a manga.

>>271352395
>how did they beat the unbeatable bad guy that all the rest of the cast was too weak to even interfere against?
offscreen with asspulls. that's why some readers believe everything it's just a dream

>>271352395
Idk. lol. I didn’t read it either.

I think battle shonen nowadays lacks show don't tell.

>>271351571
What is JoJo even about anyways? What is it trying to tell the reader? Why would anyone come out of it with the conclusion that it's better than DBZ or bleach when it's functionally the same shit, except that you replace spectacle with retarded tactics that stop being as clever the second time around.
Shit, at least Bleach has a thematic backdrop.

Anything you could get from JoJo (all the weirdo quirky shit) you could get from something like Chainsaw Man in a much better package and without the enemy of the week structure.

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>>271352506
jojo is not miseryporn like csm

>>271352506
>Chainsaw Man
Part 1 specifically since it really shits the bed in part 2 and becomes another soulless nushonen

>>271352509
Just like the WWII

>>271352531
Denji doesnt go through much more than, say, Giorno or Jolyne, most of their friends and family die by the end of their respective runs. CSM just lingers on it

>>271352476
Show don’t tell is a retarded criticism because it’s used by those who need shit spoon fed to them anyways otherwise they’d be completely lost. And applying that to a power system? Is gonna be like DragonBall were piccolo shoots gohan with a bean that makes clothes and you’re just supposed to “Sure. He can do that. How can he do that? Fuck if I know? But hey, they showed me he can do it, and that’s all I need. I’m not owned an explanation.”

Honestly I dont care much about new or old, my problem with new shonen is first, their setting and second, how depraved of adventure they are.

1. Setting. The setting problem kills half of the new shonen for me, the "its set in Tokyo and heres a school" setting just makes me check out almost immediately, like theres nothing less that I want than a modern day japanese setting and a bunch of high school students.

2. Adventure. I feel like adventure fucking died with one piece or some shit because no shonen even fucking begins to try it anymore. All new shonen have going on for them is fightfaggotry. Like wheres the adventure or mystery box world design where shit is captivating and keeps you hooked to find out X secret of the world etc etc. But nah, just muh hype of two guys fighting is all these retarded mfs can come up with

>>271350435
GT was still one of the more popular anime when it aired, DBZ of course usually managed 20%, so it wasn't at that level, but very little was in the mid-late 90s.

>>271352506
>what’s it about?
>what’s it trying to tell the reader?
Fucking ew. You’re one of those people. Joyless loser.

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>>271352772

>>271352447
I'm retarded, I meant Mirai Nikki.

>>271352669
>constructs several scenarios inside his head over a single post
So this is the power of schizos...

>>271352657
>CSM just lingers on it
and that's why jojo is better

>>271352506
Mindbroken

>>271352788
Dont speak like that to your superior, fucking ape. Your shit show for faggots made a reputation by being DBZ for pretentious trannies

>>271340884
AoT is better than all those other examples by several orders of magnitude even with the bummer ending, it just had the unfortunate length and timing to end around the same time all the other new kids are showing up. That said yes it’s pretty indisputable that the vast majority of new stuff being put out now falls short in more than ways than one. I couldn’t properly guess why and I don’t really think anyone else can but I’m getting the feeling that the ‘creative well’ of popular manga is starting to run dry, that is, they’re kind of overshadowed by their predecessors and default to using the same themes, story beats, etc. over and over again because they realize it *technically* works, but they manage to do it even more half assedly than their original inspirations, despite the fact that a lot of them also weren’t even great to begin with. I think JJK is the bigger offender of this out do the new batch but it obviously applies to most if not all of them. I do wonder what, if any, will be the next series to break the mold and do something fresh and unique and execute it well will be

>tokyo revengers wasn't even mentioned

I thought that shit was popular.

>>271352828
Oooh. Idk. I haven’t read it and I’ve never involved myself with discussions. But thanks for accidentally putting me on the yume Nikki manga lol.

>>271352770
Read Undead Unluck

Why is aot included in the nu-shonen package? it came out like a decade ago and its obviously a product of a very different time from JJK

>>271352869
Knew it

>>271352919
Is it an actual fun adventure manga?

>>271352788
He's right though, if both are shallow fun, then any comparison between DBZ and jojo always comes down to subjective qualities.

>>271352669
The explanation wouldn't add anything useful to the story though, magical powers are just magical powers - making up mechanics for them is useless and nonsensical, and if anything just gives the author more room to break immersion when they have to break the rules of it for an event that's actually important for the characters' development and the plot progression. Shounen has always been bad for bogging down the momentum of the story with useless exposition that goes on for way too long, the less of that the better.

>>271351704
You can only use buzzwords, i mean that gif is proof of your retardation, did you not see the whole wearing him down until he has no philosopher stones left to control god? God wanted to leave his body

>>271340884
Yeah i don't even think OP, Naruto or Dragon ball ended up being good, however they are far superior than the new shonen shit, because at least the characters had charisma, and rhey actually tried to build something, meanwhile stuff like jujutsu and mha fall trying to be different and pretentious

>b8 this bad
Now THIS is shitposting

>>271353029
The fucking nip obsession with overly explaining made up power systems or just systems in general from manga to video games to anything they do always tilts the fuck out of me. Like no one gices a shit about an in depth explanation of this said system you made up that this world works on ffs, just move on

>keeps samefagging

>>271340884
Just to be clear, the teens growing up with these shows haven't forgotten them at all. You forgot about them because to you, it's just generic shonen #573. It's an issue with how much product you've consumed, nothing to do with said product

>>271352197
You sound black.

>>271353095
a lot of people give a shit anon, don't lie to yourself. i'm not a powersystem autist either. it's just that men prefer to talk about that stuff when they get deep into a series, whereas women are content to write fanfics and draw shipping fanart of characters.

>>271353172
Anon, he’s clearly trolling

>>271353029
>making up mechanics for them is useless and nonsensical
That the most retarded statement in this thread. Niggas basically nodding in approval at Harry Potter magic.

>>271353171
100% Caucasoid

>>271353209
How do you know? I think you put too much faith in the intellect of the average poster.

>>271353029
>imagine having rules and internal logic that makes the settings feel unique or make sense.
What a fucking idiot

>>271353278
Y’know, maybe I do. It’s so quintessential to storytelling that only complete retards would miss it. And maybe I don’t want to accept that’s the case here

>>271353015
That’s not what he said but DBZ and jojo are just shallow fun.

>>271353278
To be fair, you have to have a very high iq in order to detect a shit poster based of faith.

>>271353135
>the teens growing up with these shows haven't forgotten them at all
Has nothing to do with them having staying power and more about them still having an ongoing anime (MHA, KNY, JJK) or manga (CSM Pt 2).

>>271352772
The reason Dragon Ball GT had consistently high viewership ratings is that, at the time in Japan, there was a cultural practice of having a standard program on during dinner time around 7 PM.
Dragon Ball had enough name value to be chosen for that slot.
However, the reality of its popularity was hollow, as children had already become obsessed with Mini 4WD cars, and the money they had for toys and merchandise was mostly spent on those instead.
Children who owned GT merchandise were even mocked by their peers for being out of touch with the times.
Furthermore, as time went on, Pokémon emerged, completely extinguishing any chance for Dragon Ball to become a hot topic among children again.
And for early teen boys who had once been fans of the Dragon Ball franchise at its peak, Dragon Ball itself had become too "childish".

I love watching these threads about shitty Asian cartoons completely devolve after a few hours

>>271352476
Is "tell but don't explain what's going on" good?

>>271353425
they are better than threads about shitty western cartoons though

>>271353452
True

>>271340884
Absurd as fuck that you include Naruto in this list while pretending to be an oldfag lmao sage

>>271353471
Naruto began serialization in 1999.

>>271353324
The "rules" are just going to be vague gibberish though, they won't make sense in the same way the actual "rules" of a world, like ours, do. Mangaka aren't physicists or philosophers, they're artists.

>>271353417
Source?

>>271353515
Na, you’re a troll. Nobody actually thinks like this. Nice try tho you had me for a minute.

>>271353515
What does "gibberish" look like to you? It's more about setting the audience's expectations for what is and isn't possible. If it does get overly verbose or minute in ways that don't pertain to the story then sure, I can understand why that might be a problem.

>>271353569
Most people don't care that your fireball is powered by " the seven gorkidorki seals growing with every tear I shed" - why is that what produces the fireball? What's the mathematical relation between tear quantity and the gorkidorki seals' rate of growth such that the fireball can somehow become possible? It's just an illusion of consistency and limitations with verbiage, what you decide to throw in there has no actual relevance to what happens in the story - you can easily change out most power systems while keeping all your story beats the same.

>>271351363
My tier from this list is

S: Slum Dunk, SnK
A: HxH, JoJo, Level E
B: OP, DB, KnY, CSM(part1), Hikaru
C: YYH, Death Note, JJK, Dai, MHA
D: Bleach
C: Naruto

Never read Neuro before desu.

>>271353484
Naruto was universally understood to be shit on /a/ until little zoomlets like you started posting here =SSSSS

>>271353638
Reifying random abstract forces and objects that have no connection to anything in reality and then constructing vague arbitrary relations between them so to make "rules".

>>271353752
You are such a pseudo intellectual asshole. I like magic systems. I like explanations. Let authors make them. You nigger.

>>271353752
The physical laws of the real world are a spook, anon. Have you ever seen a proton with your own eyes? Observed the weak, strong, electromagnetic forces? Have you actually seen the Earth with your own eyes and not through pictures from satellites or weather balloons?
Also, you dragged philosophy into this but I don't think you'll like the work of the pre-Socratics if reading about "vague arbitrary relations" involving the forces of nature are enough to set you off.

>>271353735
There are people who were in middle school when Naruto began that are now pushing 40.

>>271353799
>Let authors make them.

My not wanting to read that does nothing to stop them.

It's not even that big of deal if it is done sparingly of they just keep a level of consistency without spoonfeeding you what that consistency is. It's the time spent on boring infodumps that bring the actual story to halt (often during fights, that kills all excitement) that really hurts the work.

>>271353873
kys pilpuling nigger

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>>271353558
By looking into the trends in Japan after 1995, it's easy to understand how Dragon Ball rapidly faded from the mainstream.
Until the early 90s, Dragon Ball monopolized the interest of children, but by the mid to late 90s, its share was swiftly taken away by a wave of newer content, most of which originated from Corocoro Comic.
Westerners, not being very familiar with Japan during this time, tend to believe that Dragon Ball was always the top franchise in Japan.

>>271353897
KEK

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>>271353702
>S: SnK

>>271353897
the guy you're replying to is actually arguing against pilpul, isn't he?

>>271353823
Yeah, Aristotle managing to imbue actual deductive entailment to his natural philosophy, and even come up with some believable (albeit flawed, mainly due to a lack of good tools and methods for gaining empirical starting points) mechanisms was a big improvement over all the philosophers before him. And while physics is ultimately just mathematical abstractions, its predictive power shows that at the very least something real is being abstracted out from mind-external reality there.

>>271353909
>By looking into the trends in Japan after 1995, it's easy to understand how Dragon Ball rapidly faded from the mainstream

Right, but can I see some sources on this? I'm not that invested in the contrary view, just would like to see what is supporting this.

>>271353945
No, he was bitching about an extension of a basic tenet of fiction before switching to bitching about infodumps surrounding that extension

>>271353945
Everyone in this thread right now wants to be a fucking pilpul

>>271353996
Good thing we're talking about fictional stories and not reality though, eh?
Seriously, are you that bored on a Monday night that you have nothing better to do?
I suggest growing some tomato plants.

>>271353996
Niggas favorite manga is his high school philosophy textbook. What a fucking boring fuck.

>SOULLESS v SOULLESS

>>271354086
He may be a retard stick in the mud but there's no need to adopt an anti-intellectual stance

>>271354037
The issue is that it's treated as necessary so to make sense of things, but it doesn't really do that. A work without a magic system isn't going to be any more real but it won't be wasting my time and hurting the actual narrative as much.

>>271354029
Actually, my first post was about defending the many authors who don't bother with these kind of magic systems by pointing out that there are benefits to not doing so, as you avoid a whole bunch of pitfalls that come with it, and the actual gains are illusory. >>271353029

>>271354178
The only thing that is to be gained in a story is the audience's engagement and enjoyment.

>>271354178
>pilpuling in the same post
You are either unfathomably retarded or a terrible troll. Either way, this is the last (You)

>>271354215
Yeah, and drawn out static exposition dumps about imaginary forces that could be swapped out for bunch of other ones without affecting anything makes most people disengaged and bored.

>>271354215
Please stop engaging with him. He’ll just write another paragraph sperging out about how fiction is fiction and thinking he’s saying something of value.

>>271354178
how would fans masturbate with their favorite protag's powers without author explaining them???

>>271354276
You'll have to give a concrete example of such a phenomenon happening, or else we'll have to write it off as a personal quibble and nothinh more.

>>271354286
Alright. I have to go tend to my tomatos.

>>271354266
Me having coherent thoughts with a basic level of precision, and you not liking them but having no actual response isn't me "pilpuling".

>>271354335
you're pil pulling things out of your ass!

>>271354335
You don’t have concrete thoughts or a basic level of perception anon. You have autism. Sheer, unadulterated, autism.

>>271354309
It's not worth downloading and digging through chapters of shounen to bring up specific examples in this thread.

>>271354392
>I can’t
Concession accepted. Power system fags won

>>271354392
You download or show anything. Just say an example.

>>271340884
>Why are new school shounen so soulless
Because it's shounen and you were supposed to grow up.
>bro, you need to watch <shounenshit>, it's-
Opinion discarded, reputation in tatters, get away from me you lead brained pleb.

>>271354376
>>271354385

No actual response to an if the arguments - just the equivalent of calling me an autistic rabbi, lmao. 4chan zoomers are funny.

>>271354430
Ah it feels so refreshing seeing someone actually on topic

>>271340884
It's literally just nostalgia. As someone who is kind of new to anime, Naruto/Bleach is substanceless generic slop compared to JJK or Attack on Titan.

>>271354418
I would have to show where exactly an info dump shows up in the manga though and then show how you could replace all the terms they use with other ones and how nothing else would have to change in the narrative. Saint Seiya's cosmos system comes to mind - but just referencing that doesn't show the issue.

>>271354392
Bro you don’t have to pull up a power point, site your sources, and make a whole high school presentation. This is why everyone thinks you’re on spectrum.

>>271351756
>posting an inbetween frame
Are you fucking retarded?

>>271354478
NO. YOU. DONT. Tell us the name of the series, tell us the info dump that made you shit cum and die, tell us why it’s bad. We’re not asking for chapter numbers, we’re not asking for pictures, we’re not asking for a 20 hour long TedTalk, just give us an example.

>>271354488
Did you literally struggle to finish high school and nothing else? Is that why you keep referring to it and getting intimidated when people use big words while discussing your chinese kiddy shows?

>>271354557
he cant do that because he threw out his manga library in favor of superior math and philosophy textbooks.

>>271354557
>tell us the info dump

That's exactly it though, I would have to identify a specific one in a specific series - I read shounen, yawn at these things because they waste time without adding anything and then move on, I don't dwell on boring stuff after I've experienced it. These power systems don't stay in my mind because there is nothing compelling about them. I vaguely remembered the Cosmos system and the relation to the big bang - but I would have to go look it up and identify the story beats in which specific powers are explained within that system for a manga I dropped a long time ago.

>>271354631
Here's an interesting power system I came up with: you versus an unsucked cock. Who do you think would win in this scenario?

>>271354583
No need to stoop to their level here. I didn't intend for this to get so inflammatory.

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>>271354631
…

>>271354631
I can even make this easier on pro power system people, show a case where it would be impossible to change out some elements of a power system for others without totally rewriting the narrative. How often do these kinds of cases actually show up?

>>271354814
How often is it that you lose against unsucked cocks?

>>271353735
Universally understood by who? There were always active Naruto threads here

>>271354457
JJK is fucking trash literally flavor of the month shonenslop. Aot was mostly good til the end but lmao at comparing with jjk. Jjk is bleach tier. Not even close to narutos level either

>>271353735
The people who thought that were salty moeshitters who jacked off to lolis or assblasted One Piss fans. So....which one are you?

>>271341517
>One Piece was consistently good until the time skip and then followed the example of the other 2 big ones, became shit with big highlights then went back to being shit again
Both WCI and Egghead were at least 8/10 to me.

>>271355881
but not Wano I guess, since you didn't mention it lmao

>>271355909
Yes. Both Dressrosa and Wano had the issue of somehow being dragged-out and rushed at the same time. I mean Oda focusing on meaningless shit while quickly hopping over important stuff. Those arcs were way too bloated.

>>271350063
>sakura as a housewife
she deserved that, especially with her husband being away like 90% of the time.

I feel most new shounens (well at least the trending ones) lack any in-depth setting to lure the audience in...
Example: in jjk's case it was restrictive because gege was an idiot and wrote that sorcerers were only (or 99% of them) in Japan and then tried to expand on this at the end which went to nothing. Imo it felt like he had an eureka moment but since he never bothered giving depth to the setting he gave up on it because it'd require dozen of chapters of expositions and people would drop it instantly.
On the other side you had CSM, fujimoto never gave you so much in-depth info about his setting but I assume he has most of it in his head expanded. He gives hints and drops some info here and there so when he pulls something like Yoru sacrificing every american's trigger finger so she can fire a shot because America had a contract with the Gun Devil and somehow she can abuse it feels less than an asspull than "oh by the way, this paramecia fruit was actually the inteligent and manipulative mythical zoan type human devil fruit of the legendary sun god"...
>inb4 "but le hecking shadows back in Skypiss arc"

>>271349192
>>271349806
Dragonball is the only good shonen jap cartoon
holy /a/tards
i would rather watch news read history books than watch read one piece about fiction characters do fiction thing in fiction events and the art never deliver shits

>>271353029
this
isnt /a/ the lowest iq board on 4chan?

>>271340884
Waht you are epserienceg is called "rose tintend glasses effect".

In other words, you stupid.

>>271341510
Goku and Luffy are characters specifically for children (and man-children) and their shows reflect that as well.

Go play with a rattler, you baby.

>>271340884
>attack on titan
It was unbelievably shit, I'm not forgetting it for 10 years at least.

>>271356573
you really think fictions are for adult?

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All the shitty nu-shounen waste a zillion dollars on shitty overanimation, instead of using even 1 cent toward an amazing BGM like old shounen had:
Bleach:
https://youtu.be/1lsn2tT5yTc
https://youtu.be/suwfJMiXauU
YuGiOh:
https://youtu.be/7uuxIrwoynw
https://youtu.be/SsoY3W8-2zQ
DBZ:
https://youtu.be/Lm77VCkf_do
https://youtu.be/PGnL9Lk_4pk
Naruto:
https://youtu.be/xhWW7F5xtac
https://youtu.be/mjjkHg5FOhk
Yu Yu Hakusho:
https://youtu.be/mapzMg3SjJE
https://youtu.be/2Foc3ME3fJ0

>>271357059
God the fucking late 80's early 90's synth gets me every time for the YYH soundtrack.

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>>271340884
I only care about Dragon Ball and that's the only series I'd continue to support.

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You're all so special and unique, just like everyone else.

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>>271352506
>What is JoJo even about anyways?
adventure, like the title says (You) enourmous retard

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>>271342340
You had me listening until you called Todo an example of soul

Faggot that character is one of the worst characters in JJK.
>Brother, I like women and im swole and im here to save you so we cant lose
His entire character is a trashy formulaeic comedy act and you have to be insane to like it.

>>271341517
>One Piece was always good
Lolno no it wasnt. I still question to this day if people ever read that melodramatic shit from the beginning where a it dumps the arcs setting lore, a character cries about every new "Island" arc,shit gets resolved and the rag starts from the top of the process again. It gets old super fast and you are calling out the beats and not giving an ass shit about the fights anymore.

>>271341517
>One Piece was consistently good until the time skip
One Piece still has some of the highest praise in the entire industry.

>>271360054
>and not giving an ass shit about the fights anymore.
WCI, Wano and Egghead have the best fights in the while show so far. Elbaf is gonna be legendary.

>>271354023
What kind of data should I show?
I searched for data recording GT's commercial sales from 1996, but I couldn't find any.
While such data likely exists in Bandai or Toei's databases, it's probably not publicly available.
Therefore, the most reliable sources are the trends data in Japan at the time and the testimonies of people who lived there during that period.

I was early teenager in Japan back then, so I vividly remember the situation.
The faces of kids' culture in 1996 were undoubtedly Pokémon and Tamagotchi, and at least GT wasn't part of that group.
Also, something I just remembered: Gundam X was incredibly popular among my peers, and I distinctly recall the Gachapon craze around it.

In any case, by that point, Dragon Ball was already entirely out of the mainstream trend.

https://eureka-biz.com/zatugaku/10357/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_mN4AW_js

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Old shounen:
>He has a very strong magic barrier and can throw magic attacks

Nu-shounen:
>Um he can actually manipulate the concept of infinity at will and like Achilles and the tortoise he can reduce the speed of objects so they actually doesn't touch him but the infinity between them and can use a negative infinity with a positive one to form something with zero mass and...

Is this better or worse?
And who do I blame for it?

>>271351363
better written sure, but where is the soul?
A frogposter like yourself wouldn't get it.

>>271341517
Egghead has like 10 youtube video essays on how its the best one piece arc in a bit so clearly what you're saying isnt the popular opinion now is it

>>271340884
Is that Jump Ultimate Stars?
We need another game...

>>271343953
>>Death Note
>Not a shonen
LMAO are you serious

>>271349192
>>271349806
Again with the regurgitate shit you found at the /dbs/cord.
Get lost, DB is appreciated everywhere.

>>271363149
Wtf is this a BIOS screen

>>271363149
>mangaka had to explain shounenpowerslop for 10 chapters straight
>nobody still understands

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>>271363149
i'm glad many people are finally opening their eyes and seeing jjk for the soulless piece of shit that it is. shibuya, which i hear many so many fags call the peak of this series, is just fightfaggotry for tide pod eating zoomers that makes up jjk's fanbase
it's just an artificial fight, after fight, after fight, after fight, after fight... with lots of randoms and no story or build-up behind it. The fights are really just two jews trying to out-jew each other with contract clauses
>UHM ackshually my Ching Chong Beam Mugen 5000 has a 1.556x multiplier against his Ping Pong x50 kick and its also of illusion type during a rainy day meaning it has an ulterior 5% chance to negate its...
this new gen of battle shounen sucks donkey balls and will never recapture the magic of one piece, dbz or naruto
jjk is literally made for zoomers with adhd and npcs, and it's really sad watching those kids wanting to push these pathetic series or arcs to the top just because they are their gen's battle shounen. in a few years after this shitshow has ended, it'll be forgotten and looked at as cringe written by an autistic chuuni (who's gay btw) while zoomers pretends they never liked it or give it a cope rating like 6/10

>>271366193
>cope rating like 6/10
lmao

>>271366193
LawGOD won

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>>271340884
>demon slayer
>forgotten
Holy cope

>>271368386
>2020

>>271350130
>shock value and Mappa animation

It was popular before you tourist.

>KnY became famous thanks to muh tragic flashback and Ufotable animation

The only one you got right

>MHA has really cute and compelling characters and great art, it's the one of the trio that I think will age better despite its anime being meh

It's gonna age badly, it got popular thanks the capeshit era, being hilled as a Naruto replacement,strictly following shonen trope on top on being pro status quo ,but you wouldn't about that unless you were there.

>>271353702
>S: SnK
>A: HxH

>>271357059
You Say Run >>>>>>>>>>>

>>271353702
>S: SnK

>>271355628
>Jjk is bleach tier. Not even close to narutos level either

You are right they are both better than nurutu

>>271348845
>SnKs dogshit ending is considered a disaster purely because the story preceding it was great.
Wrong. It's considered a disaster because even the biggest apologists could no longer make excuses for the story without being ridiculed. SnK's story never rose above mediocrity and was outright bad most of the time.

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>>271369086
>JJK was popular before you tourist.
It was popular not a big hit.
>MHA it got popular thanks the capeshit era
Nips don't care about capeshit.
>being hilled as a Naruto replacement
That was an internet meme. WSJ editor in chief actually said Black Clover was the Naruto replacment.
>strictly following shonen trope on top on being pro status quo
It subverts several shonen tropes, such as the rival becoming a villain, the heroine becoming a wife and the protagonist having a special father. Plus the society literally changed in the end of the story. How about actually reading the series and not just tweets about it?

>>271368462
Still popular now too

>>271340884
The "Classic" shounen you named are some of the best of all time, there was a ton of shitty series running alongside them that nobody remembers.

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>>271370167
I remember

>>271356573
GODku inspired millions of future fathers. He is an aryan paragon of masculinity.

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>>271368386
lol nobody gives two shits about demon slayer except for the "muh sakuga peak animation" episode every two years
it's funny how a series like naruto ended 10 years ago and it's still widely talked about
fotm shounenshit like kny is just a blip, try and live in 2024 and not 2020 where your shounenshit had its 5 minutes of fame

>>271340884
>It's crazy how much better they are than anything printed on Jump nowadays. There's so much heart and soul to them, even their art is typically very different from one another.

You selected the absolute best ones over the last 50 years on different magazines vs the last 10 tears of WSJ only.
On top of that you were young, you weren't checking the entire magazine to find out only 5 out of 20 were good.

>Nu shounen are just sterile and they all look the same.

You probably mean 2014+ (MHA/BC and co) I agree they are super safe and boring and I blame Oda for that.

>>271341285
This, it's happened with Western entertainment too. Impressive IRL experiences with war, huge historical events, crime etc. gets you stories like the Lord of The Rings. Experience with only anime tropes after anime tropes gets you gimmicky "it's Bleach but THIS", or "it's Naruto but THIS", ---or in the West only experiencing modern universities with faggots everywhere and no hardship gets you MCU shit. They're just twists on fake experiences, not new works sourced from real life.

>>271341510
>The authors can be heartless when they want to be toward their main cast.
The midwits idea of good story telling

>>271370435
Sometimes the opposite was the far better option. Toriyama apparently hated Vegeta and yet his revival meant one of the best redemption arcs in shounen, and the inspiration for the archetype of "rival similar to MC characters" moving forwards. I think the author liking their own cast at least means they care, which is a good thing.

>>271341510
>Goku and Luffy suffer so much in their stories, but they also radiate a vibe like they're enjoying life, doing what they want to do (when they aren't flanderized like they are at present). Even someone like Yusuke is having a good time spitting one liners while he risks his life. I feel like pretty much all the new series have this unshakable sense of suffering or obsession with negativity. Undead Unluck is the one that made me smile most often, but even then, the premise is literally conceptual negation

Maybe you don't like stakes ?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but you seems to prefer comfort battle shonen and they are making less of them instead of half the mag like it was back in the 90s.

>>271370296
The only reason Naruto is still occasionally talked about is because it literally has a sequel.

>>271369292
lmao

>>271370809
Kek what
Boruto has barely anything to do with Naruto at all, it's 90% OCs that nobody gives a fuck about.
People talk about Itachi all the time, a guy who has not and will never show up in burrito.

>>271340884
its less about quality and more about the attention span of younger people getting smaller

Is this place where old farts masturbate one another about how their le past was le better?

>comparing top rated classics and genre defining manga to new stuff
These rankings are never fair

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Dragon Ball has been voted as the greatest anime of all time by the Japs.

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>>271340884
do people even like half of yugioh though?

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>I'm gonna be the king of pirates
1000+ chapters later
>Still not the king of pirates

Just end it already man

>>271375227
Why nobody complains when ippo does this?

>>271370429
Naruto and Bleach are literally just "Dragon Ball but THIS"
Also, none of you knows the life experience of any of these authors outside of a google search.

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>>271375455
Wrong, Naruto stood the test of time because the author was telling a story that pass on experiences he learned in real life. That's why Naruto still dominates 10 years later but nu-shounen won't, because they're all writing based on their favorite anime/manga than real life experience

LOTR is a timeless classic because Tolkien had all his experiences as a linguist, a historian, and a soldier in one of the most cataclysmic wars of all time

Similarly, Naruto struck such a chord with generations because it literally channeled Kishi's experiences as a perpetual failure in life and the manga industry up to then and he based off the War arc from stories his grandfather shared who's a WW2 veteran

>>271375455
?

Naruto is nothing like Dragon Ball. That's OP

>>271342340
>There is nothing here but shock factor and powerfantasyfagging, Gojo is the embodiment of this,
This is the only statement I disagree with. Gojo and Geto are the only two guys with actual character arcs in JJK. Hidden Inventory was the best part of the series, and it happened years ago.

>>271375722
Kishimoto, and a lot of other shounen manga artists, were heaving influenced by Toriyama and other influences they grew up with and were obviously copying them. To say otherwise is delusional. He may have put some of himself and what he heard in there but that's not special at all even mangaka that don't have "timeless" manga under their belt admits to doing this. Naruto is just one example, you think every classic manga was written by someone with tons of life experience? They were nerds and college dropouts.

Every medium is full of people copying the old. This is completely normal.

>muh lotr
And there are books written by introverts and weirdos with none of his experiences that are also timeless classics

>>271376030
You have got to be kidding me.

>>271375722
That abortion fighting plants and ghosts wasn't a war. Blow it out your actual shit hole. Over half of Narutards have no idea about Hackmoto's struggles.

>>271375325
Ippo has genuinely always been pretty slice of life-y to be fair

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>>271343953
>One Piece
>Only getting popular now,
Midwit

>>271350221
I'm still mad Sasuke was forgiven, instead of Madara or Kaguya, he should've been the final villain

DB = Thriller
OP = White Album
Naruto = MMLP
Bleach = Appetite for Destruction
JoJo = Ziggy Stardust
YYH = Ready to Die
HxH = OK Computer

>>271351363
>I feel that the new-generation shonen listed by OP are better these older works,
Kys

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>>271377401
he saved the world and all of his problems stemmed from being caught up in the whole dumbass system. He had to be forgiven for anything to progress

>>271351571
There's a reason why JoJo only got popular with zoomers (it's a garbage series)

>>271351663
InuYasha still holds up

>>271340884
normalfags don't keep track of stuff that's too old, mainstream anime is mostly masculine coded and men don't give a shit about trends being up to date

>>271351638
>Gintama
Japs truly have shit taste

>>271352197
>Niggas so mad
Go back to Twitter

>>271352312
>AOT, MHA, KNY, JJK, and CSM is only One Piece up until the Skypiea arc.
>implying any of those series had consecutive arcs as compelling as Water 7/Enies Lobby
Gtfo

>>271352476
Agreed, where Dragon Ball would communicate it's fights through art alone, Modern shonens always have to include some bullshit analysis segment to decipher whether their opponent is kicking or punching

>>271352669
>Is gonna be like DragonBall were piccolo shoots gohan with a bean that makes clothes and you’re just supposed to “Sure. He can do that
Let me guess, you need more?

>>271352770
>The setting problem kills half of the new shonen for me, the "its set in Tokyo and heres a school
I'm sick to death of that setting. Feels like modern mangaka don't even try to make their own worlds now

>>271353569
>fight fag refuses to believe there are fans who don't care about autistic power systems
Color me shocked

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>>271340884
>, Bastard!!
you really tried sneaking that one in there

>>271363149
Old shonen was king for the fact it didn't pretend to be anything more than a story of dudes beating the shit out of each other.
>his power? He punches hard. Ergo I must punch harder
Is all you fucking need if aren't insecure about what you're actually consuming

>>271366193
>The fights are really just two jews trying to out-jew each other with contract clauses
Kek

>>271375141
Feel like Yugiohs art isn't praised enough

>>271369624
>such as the rival becoming a villain
besides naruto how often does that happen?

>>271343847
>Saint Seiya was more popular than Dragon Ball during its serialization
In your fucking dreams Mexibro. Dragon Ball's popularity is so far ahead of SS that it is of no comparison.
80's anime? Axed at the Poseidon arc.
Dragon Ball? Got the full Toei stretching treatment, two sloppy "movies" a year and a truckload of games. SS has never exceeded Dragon Ball in popularity, especially during its run.

Since JJK is ending how will it be remembered anons?

>>271351018
>yall
Why are you a nigger?

>>271377929
Worldbuilding is an alien concept to nu shonen