It was awesome.

top 5 tournament arcs I've ever read

>>288589888
WE ARE LOOPING INSIDE THE PREMONITION. WE ARE STILL INSIDE THE FIRST PREMONITION AND GOING IN INTO THIS ONE.

JUST HOW FAR HAS LOLONG SEEN.

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>>288597304
What's with the hexagon shaped bruises in this manga?

>>288597304
I feel a great sense of schadenfreude, really, considering that this trash is what the people who mindlessly cheered for CH50 deserved.
It's so poetically fitting that Ohma himself would be the one to really be the final nail in the coffin (throughout this tournament that has almost nothing but embarrassing series lows) that made the entire tournament just be completely worthless.
I'm sure a lot of disappointed fanboys were willing to maintain some glimmer of hope that at least the tournament could end on a high note with a top-tier final fight, that perhaps Sandro was saving the best for last. That hope (and cope) was quickly dashed with Ohma's fight easily being one of the most embarrassingly bad fights Sandro has ever written. And then in just a few chapters later, Sandro pisses on these dashed hopes with the "tragedy". And that's another thing. As satisfied as I am to feel vindicated by seeing Ohmafags getting fucked, I'm about to feel even happier seeing Raianfags getting fucked. Because even though Raian is about to mutilate Edward, he's about to do so in a way that would make even the most militant Raianfag feel embarrassed to have ever been a fan of that character. Nobody deserves this humiliation more than Raianfags, who are the most insufferable part of the community.

>>288597304
I felt genuinely offended.
The way it was framed like an earned underdog victory when only one Purgatory fighter got a clean win with no asterisks, and the final round was Ohma curbstomping a normal martial artist with his do-anything wizardry style.
Absolutely one of the bottom five tournament arcs I've read so far.

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Hassad soon.

>>288589888
No but seriously what does it even mean?

>>288597304
Imagine how Liu must feel about this.
Getting lectured and told to stop mourning his friends and to focus on the tournament by people who all lost their fights, and then the Kenganvengers sweep over your side's "best fighter" anyway.

>>288597355
Daro didn't want to draw detailed bruises anymore, so he made or found a brush that makes bruises in the shape of a hexagon
It's "serviceable" until you start to notice. KvP is really where you can start to pinpoint when Daro stopped putting his A game into it

>>288597304
To be honest I still enjoyed most of it. I just like the way Daro draws attacks too much to not get some joy. That said, absolutely insane that Sandro gave purgatory 2 default wins, a cheap ringout where every character chimes in to point out how the Kengan fighter was the REAL winner, and their only actual, no bullshit wins are against Rihito and a new guy that only got introduced just for the tournament.
Apart from that, the entire setup makes no sense, Purgatory being """"underground"""" in the first place makes no sense, Nogi is a retard, the Worm are retards, I don't know what Ieyasu's motivation for any of this is, Koga getting sidelined in criminal, and no-one seems to be reacting enough to a guy getting fucking ripped in half considering Purgatory isn't even normally for deathmatches.

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>>288597641
bottom panel apparently

>>288597669
Sandro kinda forgot that Purgatory wasn't for deathmatches. You'd think the audience would lose their stomach and leave the stadium en-masse after seeing all those deaths of beloved fighters.
In fact, the audience doesn't seem to have much of a soul in this tournament. The KAT had Raian punching hecklers, people like Suoh making bets, Adam threatening to kill Hiyama if she doesn't forfeit on Akoya's behalf etc.
Here, at best, we have Raian running towards Edward and Xia Ji for several dozen chapters, and Daro didn't even bother drawing him covered in blood and gore, so it just looks like he took a really long shower.

>>288597304
>Lolong has like 400+ wins
Which means there're a lot of fighters fought him multiple times and would want to fight him again
>Ohma fought like 10 matches in the whole series
"I can't lose because too many people are waiting for rematch"
It's so shameless how Sandro tried to give his "good" guys some kind of motivation to justify their win (and not because of his plot armor) while there're far more people deserve that line. Same shit happened with what made the ultimate difference was the experience of defeat

>>288597703
>In fact, the audience doesn't seem to have much of a soul in this tournament. The KAT had Raian punching hecklers, people like Suoh making bets, Adam threatening to kill Hiyama if she doesn't forfeit on Akoya's behalf etc.
This is another little thing I hadn't thought of but really does add a lot. I feel like I could write an essay about all the things that makes the KAT so good that are absent from this and I'd still miss stuff.

>>288597771
Another aspect there is it involved things beyond just the protagonist. The conflict in the background with Hiyama, Adam and Cosmo's employer all had absolutely nothing to do with Ohma or Kazuo. It didn't have anything to do with Metsudo or Hayami either. It was entirely self contained, which makes the world feel more alive and natural.

>>288597304
KvP revealed that the Kengan Association is actually the pinnacle of Underground Martial Arts and no one else can compare
Purgatory is suppose to rival KA, they're suppose to have their own set of powerful fighters that could give Kengan a run for their money and yet in nearly ever single instance the Purgatory fighters feel less like Underground Fighters and more like a bunch of Ali Jr's who're about to fight their Baki's
Carlos is just a DEXfag throwing pillow punches, Falcon claws wins via that thing Kengan banned from their own fights, Toa is a "Seeker" but still loses to a basic boring all-rounder, Yumi got utterly boinked and yoinked and Nicolas is absolutely terrible to have on your team because you're hoping he'll start caring enough to try by the time it's his turn. The rest of their roster are either dudes who infiltrated for one reason or another, a newbie or Liu and Jurota who had decent showings
Their "King" turned out to be some dickhead high off his own farts. He's not some bag of magic tricks or insanely strong despite his looks, he's just some asshat who knows "a" school of Silat that Sandro didn't think was necessary to go into and explain about, so Lolong ends up being a guy who throws his elbows a lot. You know at least Kuroki's Martial Art was a kind of Karate that Sandro made up and explained
Lolong being the King makes the normal members on Purgatory look bad. Agito had some Niko Style moves and Formless on him to fuck with people, what the hell is Toa or Liu's excuse for not beating Lolong, they weren't magic enough? Kung fu? Bargain Bin Niko Style is still the Niko Style
Lolong comes off as a prick who's record is built off busting can openers, he's too arrogant and dumb to realize he's not winning his fight with Ohma and the normal members of Purgatory look dumb for being scared of him

>>288597641
Infinite premonition, the Kenganmatrix has started to deteriorate as the plot makes less sense the longer the premonition goes.
It's like AI hallucinating

the funniest part of Ohma vs Lolong were all the Kure techniques with weird names that were actually utterly basic bitch combat moves (niko style suffers from this too though)

>>288597964
Ohma (and by extension all Kure's) having Chiba's Copy for some fucking reason deserves to be memed on at the same level as "you got it all wrong" and "getting the timing right".

>>288597304
I can't believe I hate Ohma now.

>>288597304
What's funnier as someone who isn't "green" is that this is the last time we'll be seeing Lolong in a very long time. You would think that we'd get maybe a few pages dedicated to Lolong waking up in the tournament's infirmary and seeing how he reacts to the realization that he finally experienced his first real loss in his life. But nope. We never get that. Sandwich would much rather spend time with a jobber like Koi Yamagata and that whole embarrassing schizo episode with Hayami than give his most hyped up Purgatory character a few moments of characterization. The next time we see Lolong is after the big time skip and he gets a haircut. We don't even get his reaction/thoughts about losing after this timeskip. It just never happens.

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>>288597964

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Look at this page

>>288597906
>he's just some asshat who knows "a" school of Silat that Sandro didn't think was necessary to go into and explain about, so Lolong ends up being a guy who throws his elbows a lot. You know at least Kuroki's Martial Art was a kind of Karate that Sandro made up and explained
You'd think that it was a situation like SnS's cooking consultant quitting or something, but no, even though it's thread folklore at this point that the editor left, everyone involved is still there. But it does feel abundantly clear that the editor just doesn't even try, I can't remember the last time any material even referenced his input. DARO was the one who intervened to save Lolong from being instant loss 2komaed by Ohma, despite the editor previously being the one to improve character concepts and designs, like Muteba.
And since the editor was the one who knew martial arts the best, the effects are obvious. You make a good point about the style thing, I'm reasonably sure the last OC martial art to debut in Kengan was Nicolas' Sahate. Not counting things like the Dragon Clan's single meme technique, Wu bullshit, ect.. If you're "green", you'll start to notice it slowly but surely. How dry characters begin to become, how lifeless their styles and choreography are. Fun gimmicks become rarer and rarer.

>>288598194
Even Otokojuku's sea of stoics feel more charismatic than some of these pricks.

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>>288598194
There is also the Fang style

it's rapidly going downhill from here

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To see him off, what do you have to say about our HERO
Rolon
Loron
Lolon
Roron
Rolong
Lorong
Rorong
Lolong
ロロン
Donaire?
Don't hold back.

>>288598317
if his elbow is invisible then how come he took damage?

>>288598317
I'm never calling him a hero of any kind. It doesn't matter that he got turned into a sacrifice at the altar of Ohma for his debut fight. We still had to endure a year and a half of him being the most overhyped character in the series and from him being an insufferable Gary Stu. I'm not suddenly gonna like him out of sympathy or pity for how he was treated.

>>288597304
>Rolon you were awesome, probably stronger than Lihito but I really gotta have a rematch with hair guy and the medecine man now

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>>288598317
cardboard cutout of a character who is carried entirely by thread memes/board culture. not that he's the only one, Terashi is also just some loser that we assigned traits to, but LOLong was receiving hype every time he scratched his ass. Every piece of build-up for him falls flat:
>characters on the purg bench reacting to him MOVING
>high-tier kengans constantly glazing him from their bench before he's even got up to fight
>Carlos acting like Rolon is some berserker killer who's gonna finish off Akoya/Nicolas himself: he just knocks them away with some very restrained moves
>on that note: everyone acting like only he could've stopped Nic vs. Akoya and it's just him showing up to finish off two 1% HP fighters
>doesn't intervene or really comment in any of the Worm-related murder matches with people who have the toolkits to kick his ass, especially Fei's, waits specifically until Fei dies to shit talk him after a volume's worth of silence
>Winstreak and W/L ratios that put Wakatsuki and Agito to shame: and then you get that extra of him being fed a free win from a teenage Liu's first purgatory match and it makes you question the integrity of his winstreak, if he's been fed nothing but jobbers (even the storytime regulars have no idea if/how he's beaten Jurota)
>He... fought Kuroki... and lived! Literally him!
I could go on, I hate this character, I hate this tournament, I hate this manga, I hate the "creative" minds behind it. (see you next daily)

>>288597439
You sound pretty insufferable yourself

Less than 140 chapters in and we're already through
>Ohma return (the dreaded chapter 50)
>You've got it all wrong
>Lolong moved!
>Alan getting ripped in half
>Koga completely sidelined
>Monke
>The fucking KURE being fucking everywhere all the time
I wasn't expecting to burn through so much material. The only other major memes I know about are
>Shen shutting his own brain down
>"You never stood a chance"
>The "tragedy" (really curious about that one)

>>288598686
you don't know triumphant cry?
still "green" i see

Top 5 best KvP moments in no particular order
>Liu Tan and Agito having the exact same expression while wildly flailing their limbs, proving that the churezy smile is actually part of the formless stance
>pinhead akoya vs troglodyte raian stare-off
>Terashi genuinely not knowing how to fight
>Alan and Raian's pre-fight contest at who's more uhinged that ends when Alan says something legitimately schizophrenic and Raian goes "Huh?"

>>288598686
I keep hearing about these "5 fights at Ohma's" and how they're the low point of the manga and I'm really curious.

>>288598900
Forgot
>Lolong immediately going silent when he sees that Fei could wipe the floor with him, only to shittalk him after he's dead

>>288598977
Unfortunately it's not going to be the same "flavor" of "low point" as Lu Tian tongue or Fei exploding

>>288597304
I tried to be clever and end the thread with a "You were awesome, top 5 dailies I've ever posted in." However, the thread archived because I got the timing wrong. Nice to see an afterparty though.

>>288599063
I was simply not satisfied with the "party" being too short per thread so I made this one. Others should make threads after certain chapters/threads so we can continue to discuss. Really let it set in.

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>>288598317
I have never seen a character who is insisted upon as much a Lolong was that he's actually this super strong freak of nature beast in the skin of a man fighter and it just doesn't come across at all in the actual fight(s), it's all tell don't show
It's as if they took that King guy from OPM but they don't let the audience in on the joke that he's actually a pansy

Genuinely some of the worst writing I've ever seen, top 5 at least

>>288598793
Ah, knew I'd forget something. I thought that'd be for the Rolong fight actually. I also forgot "high level exchange", can't remember if we've got that exact wording yet.

I've read the entirety of KvP two months ago after becoming inspired to do so by the boilong seethe in the threads and i thought it was alright. I liked the Medel fight. Then i re-read along and realized it is dogshit.
I enjoy every new chapter right up until i'm told not to.

>>288598194
>I can't remember the last time any material even referenced his input.
He showed up in the background of one of the Behind the Scenes. I think it was the Covid one.

Holy FUCK I fucking HATE that GHASTLY GORILLA Yumigahama Hikaru. Hate hate hate hate HATE.
I wish I could burn down his treehouse and then piss on its ashes before doing the same to the rest of the forest he spawned from.
I wish I could rend his atrocious arms and loathsome legs from his brutal body and then waterboard him with salt water after peeling the stygian skin from his fetid face and gouging his evil eyes out from their sinister sockets.

>>288598317
He insists upon himself. It almost feels unfair to call him a badly written character, because calling him a character is already very generous. There is no substance or consistency behind his character, he is either a slavering berserker or an ebin military stoic man depending on what the plot needs him to be. Lolong is an action hero poster striking a menacing martial arts pose at you, that exists purely to be knocked over.

>>288598793
and razor-thin margins
and wall scaling

>>288599506
Sandro probably cheered when Harambe was shot.

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>>288599589
What would Sandro think of Monkey See?

GOD, every time an image of that smelly, disgusting, ugly, hideous, rancid, cheating, lying, deceiving, stealing, greedy gibbon Yumigahama comes to my mind, I feel my body welling with strength born from righteous fury that such an evil exists in this world. May he be struck down like Babel, Sodom, and Gomorrah, and his memory extinguished like the Amalekites.
Amen.

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>Yumigahama
I'M BREAKING OUT IN FUCKING HIVES I'M SO FUCKING MAD I HATE THAT SUBHUMAN CREATURE SO MUCH
DAMN YOU MONKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>288599664
just wait untill you meet L*ohan

>>288598517
He literally reads like King from OPM.

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>>288597304
I will forever maintain that the best possible ending to Purgatory would be Ohma dying
Lolong just fucking kills him
Correct the mistake of ch.50, still somehow have KA beat Purgatory

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KvP was actually good. The outrageous writing was highly entertaining.

>>288599839
I mean sure, The Room was good in that way too

>>288599739
There's an alternate timeline where Lolong said "you were awesome, Ohma" in a context that mindbroke /a/ in a completely different direction.

>>288599839
I think it's fair to say that for all it's flaws, it had it's highs and lows. Unintentional comedykino aside, I think Liu and Naidan easily carried Purgatory in terms of actually being imposing fighters. Gay couple victory.

>>288599739
Oh god this image reminded me that they did the "special round" gimmick one (1) time in the entire tournament. It would have been nice if Purgatory's bullshit crowd-pleasing rules were more of a plot point, but I guess that would make the ridiculous stakes of the tournament with Nogi gambling the entire Kengan Association even more silly.

>>288599739
someone explain the wu clan hip hop joke please

>>288599956
Wu-Tang Clan, my zoomer friend

>KA fights another association known as employing KA rejects
>KA rejects gets no diffed by top KA fighters
>king of shitters didn't even scratch Kuroki when he wasn't even on his prime while KA fighter managed to give prime Kuroki a challenge even tho he was having a heart attack
>king of shitters gets you were awesomed by second place KA AT
>anons lose their shit

You are just contrarians

So in summary:
>Why is Nogi gambling Kengan on a tournament? The only guy we actually see defect from Kengan is Yumihagara and everyone hates that guy.
>How is Ieyasu able to outbid 500 corporations with just his personal wealth? Even if hes' 10x richer than the next richest guy he wouldn't be able to come close.
>What would Kengan losing even mean here? Does Ieyasu just become chairman or would Japanese companies have to start settling their differences in court?
>Why is Purgatory even underground in the first place? There's no reason why it wouldn't just be a public circuit given it seems to have thousands of people attending each match.
>Why the fuck do they have to worry about "keeping the factions even"? Why would the factions care? In fact having your best fighter participate is incredibly risky since they might get injured or killed for no actual gain for your company. They should have been forced to bargain with each CEO for permission to use their fighter.

All this annoys me because Asura actually takes the time and care to explain why there's an underground fighting ring, it's one of the things that sets it apart from Baki.

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>>288600106
That sorta misrepresents the worldbuilding of Kengan. Even as far back as early Asura, it's clear that the KA should have crumbled apart the moment it was established with shit like pic related. The political setting is pure rule of cool like Baki's is, and Asura simply did the "rule of cool" thing well, until Sandro decided he didn't want to be a good writer anymore in Omega.
For the main point, I completely agree. The two orgs are just beefing for no good reason. The best reason is simply that Toyoda wanted to have some fun, and the best reason for Purgatory being underground is that Toyoda thought it would be more fun.

I just came here to say FUCK Yumigahama, FUCK Xia Ji, FUCK Tiger Niko, FUCK Gilbert, and most of all, FUCK Luohan.
Ok, that's it, that's my contribution.

>>288599739
I don't know why but the line "Nogi can't stop me" always gets me
Like he's actively speedrunning all these shit choices intentionally

>>288600106
>Why is Purgatory even underground in the first place?
Easy. Illegal gambling and the complete lack of safety regulations.

>>288600212
Anyone got that "You will never be a real Connector" pasta? I swear there was one like that for Kures and Wu's too, unless I "huisheng'd" both of those into my head.

>>288600425
We need an arc where the tax agency enters their fighters into a kengan match to make Nogi and Katahara Metsudo pay what they owe.

>>288600514
Their champion? "The Executor"... Seisho Akoya..(As his cop persona. The government remains unaware that he has a record in the kengan matches and he has to constantly come up with shitty excuses as to how he knows all of these people)

Tax evasion is... EVIL.... And tax evaders will be... EXTERMINATED.

I HATE the retarded monkey Yumigahama. Stealing techniques is absolutely disgusting subhuman behaviour, I'm glad he got humiliated and destroyed then had his face ruined for life (no way the murderous magical Kengan doctor would heal such a heinous piece of shit, the man has standards).

That said I LOVE the Kure clan, they are so rad. Raian is the best! I'm especially impressed by their interesting techniques, like "Punch Hard" and "Kick Leg". And most of all "Copy", genuinely inventive stuff by Sandro. Copying your opponent technique during a fight after seeing it once is so COOL, I'm glad they taught it to Ohma so he can copy techniques too because Ohma and the Kure are amazing characters UNLIKE THAT IGNOMINIOUS SKILL-PILFERING APE YUMIGAHAMA

>>288599002
Pissed me off so much especially with all the criticism of Fei after that when he would have demolished everyone else in the tournament and just happened to run into a guy who is
1. Able to hurt him in base with anti-Niko moves
2. Impossibly durable

>>288598317
Lolong sucks and always will, reminder that the original idea was that Ohma would one shot him

>>288597547
I said it last thread but KvP would have worked if from the get go it was shown that Purgatory fighters are entertainers first and foremost and not on par with Kengan fighters hence all the rules and gimmicks.
Lolong should have been a Johnny Cage like movie martial artists and have the final fight between him and Koga with Koga eking out a hard won victory

>>288599739
>Wu Clan? I love Hip Hop
Will never not be funny, solid fucking gold line right there

>>288599122
Its because he was actually strong but hes fighting people with actual magic super powers

How did the bestest worm hunter miss all these worms?

Someone please release Daromeon from this torment and let him draw another manga, he clearly gives absolutely no shits anymore and his passion is dying out

>>288600885
Daromeon is far too gone, far too corrupt. You put him on another manga he's gonna bring all of his bad habits and AI reliance

>>288600885
He's long since been a broken man.
How much did he care for the martial arts aspect or the story itself besides getting paid? Can't help but imagine what could have been if Omega was Ajin'd with Daro at the helm.

>>288598900
I don't really blame terashi for his existence. Japanese just think assassin means master fighter and not guy who just kills the other fucking guy then fucks off.

>>288601023
True but then that premise should have been played straight.

>>288600794
The best part is you can perfectly see Goat say that for real

>>288600794
Best part is it gets that exact same reaction everytime it's posted

my memory gets really hazy after purgatory, can't remember the order of arcs given how non-consequential they are

>>288599699
looks like him too

The fuck do you mean "copy"??
Does that mean tha Chiba Takayuki is a Kure?

>>288601023
That on top of him being a Lolong asskisser up until the fight started and the backstory of him getting hired to kill Nicholas in the ring despite knowing fuck all about close quarters combat makes it more clowny.
Truly a multi-dimensional character

>>288601240
>Chiba uses his illusionist powers to trick Kures into making him part of the clan

>>288601444
The fact that they're never seen together again after the timeskip makes me think Terashi was just hyping up Lolong to fit in when he saw everyone else doing it, had no idea what he was talking about, and felt very stupid about it after seeing his performance against Ohma.

>>288600049
If they were going to be jokes why is Purg built up so much and why did we waste so much time on this tournament? Also it's not even true that they're objectively weak, Lolong for all the literally Kuroki jokes is actually pretty comparable to Kuroki strength wise, Lu Tian was able to force Kanoh into his switch mode implying that he'd beat him pre-semifinals (and considering Kanoh eliminated his switch lag he might even still have beaten the one who fought Kuroki). That's not even mentioning Fei who was the strongest fighter there and arguably the strongest fighter introduced into the story thus far.

Fei, Lolong, Toa, Lu Tian, Jurota would have all been top 10 in the KAT and guys like Naidan aren't that far behind them either. The issue is that aside from Liu and Naidan every single Purg fighter is treated either intentionally or unintentionally as a joke (and notice how those are two of the only ones who fight non-established characters) so despite being objectively strong they don't *feel* strong.

Fei died like a bitch Waka won.

>>288598517
>even the storytime regulars have no idea if/how he's beaten Jurota
That's just speed reading. We found out that Lolong fought and defeated Jurota not once but twice. Check chapter 278.

>>288601688
Waka couldn't secure a clean W against a man who was literally accelerating his own bloodloss by flinging said blood at him

>>288601651
That "me" might just be baiting.
Even a cursory glance at the arc will immediately let you know that:
a) Sandro wants you to believe Purgatory is a sincere threat
b) there are literally multiple Worm infiltrators with shit as busted as Formless + Guihun and Divine Demon

>>288598977
Remember how during Baki's Sumo Namek a bunch of no name morons fought some rikishi and all got wasted and it took like 10 years?
Its not the same thing, but it is the same thing.

On how the fuck was fei almost Rolon tier (one of the top 5 guys ohma ever fought btw) only using tai-chi?

>>288601941
is fei shen level?

>>288600106
You could easily set up why Kengan doesn't like Purgatory existing.
The Kengan system is implicitly reliant on all the best fighters joining its roster so the fights have a sense of finality to them. That both companies got the best fighters they could afford and put their all into the battle and the decision was made fair and couldn't have been done better.
If all the good fighters leave for Purgatory, then this self-destructs because no one is going to respect a bumfight between losers. It loses the gravitas and the sense of power and respect that having really strong fighters on call would give.

>>288601941
A-list had a huge swing between peak and bottom.
Yumi was a scrub that won just by bullying losers with his size.
Nicolas was a flake that could jump between powerful and a slacker loser on a whim (Hatsumi with a lower peak).
Liu was a strong fighter that took nothing seriously because he treated it all as a game.
So Fei being really good at manga Tai chi (where it isn't just calisthenics) would fit right in.

>>288598450
invisible, not intangible

>>288602186
You got it all wrong, that "me" is referencing the "invisible getting deliberately mixed up with [TITLE CARD]" joke that's been going around the corners.

>>288602045
Not even, we've not seen Shen take a fight even remotely seriously and he was able to thwart even Kuroki (who just decided to stop because reasons). As it is, the story has no salient justification as to how anyone could beat him outside of the usual super mode sabotage.

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I read along through Ashura but fall behind when reading Omega. Finally caught up. What the fuck is the point of Koga and Ryuki if Ohma is going to show up again and steal their thunder? I'm actually going to be assmad if they aren't going to do anything later. Kengan VS Purgatory is mostly just hyping the new fighters and failing miserably for most, if not all of them, because the faggot tends to change his mind about the previously stated bullshit afterwrads. Only 3 dudes seem alright from the Purgatory fighters and one of them killed himself. Fuck, most of the Kengan fighters lost their personality. Okubo looks threatening as hell when he was facing Agito back then. Now he's just the funny Osaka guy. I'm not even gonna say anything about the fucking Worms. Why the fuck is the author like this?

>>288602261
This shit fesls like when Hayami had to relisten to his murder confession over and over again to turn into his original self.
I've read permutations of this post a thousand times over.

>>288602261
Who knows really. I'd pay for some documentary style shit where someone just interviews Sandro and Daro about what happened in Omega. I do think Sandro's issues stem mostly from the fact that he just happened to change his mind on Koga and just got Ohma back, likely due to previous reader pressure as he was divisive before. Then further story beats just feel like they're trying to hard to get some audience reaction even if it doesn't make sense. Subversion was a big meme before after all.

>>288602261
>Okubo looks threatening as hell when he was facing Agito back then. Now he's just the funny Osaka guy.
I don't mind but he should've dabbed on Terashi harder
Like just do goofy shit like Fei did in the start of this match and end it in 1-2 chapters
Abandon all pretense of a serious fight

>>288600600
It really annoys me when some people try to rehabilitate Lolong's image.

>Don't underestimate the martial arts

>>288602514
Alternatively he could've fought Yumi and get sort of a runback against a Fang. Even >>288602551 could work for it

>>288597304
Garbage. Made me drop the manga. They did the entirety of Purgatory dirty and killed enthusiasm that this was gonna be a good sequel series.

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>>288602334
I'm starting to get scared of the memes from this retarded manga because of the soul rape bullshit. I don't want to turn into another Kengan schizo.
>>288602377
I'm really curious. Some anons noted how it started during quarantine. You think he's gone mad from loneliness?
>>288602514
See, that would be much better since Terashi isn't even a martial artist. I mean, look at the ninja guy. He's amusing enough even though I'm mad Rihito lost after his training with Kuroki.

>>288602608
YEAAA
AAAAAH

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>>288602377
>I'd pay for some documentary style shit where someone just interviews Sandro and Daro about what happened in Omega
Daro could probably reveal tons of juicy details once he's no longer working with Sandro, but Sandro himself? Sandro just doesn't appear like the type of person who would be honest about that kind of thing. A while back, someone translated excerpts from an interview of him, and one of the lines was something about how writing manga takes up a lot of his time. As if he spends any more than 5 minutes writing chapters, even in his other manga like Danberu or SiR. He genuinely thinks he can fool people into thinking he's one of those mangaka like Miura, Togashi and so on (like pic related, which is from the work schedule of Nurarihyon no Mago's mangaka) that work so damn hard that they suffer from declining health and have to FORCE themselves to take breaks.

Would Lolong be an unironically liked character had he actually lived up to his dicksucking and been some Kuroki+ monster that raped Ohma in the match?

>>288602749
The "Conglomerator"...

>>288602749
Sandro would write something like this.

>>288602831
The 40 year old throower is liked even though he lost

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>>288602831
Reviving Ohma just to have him job to a completely new character would just be baffling
If anything it'd just amp up the "meme" enthusiasm for the character because he talks all that shit and then does just end up winning, making a mockery of both his and kengans camp
But it wouldn't make him a good character

>>288602831
I think good tweaks would've been
>Lolong is not a manlet shorter than Ohma, he's about Agito in size
>his style isn't silat again, it's something like customized pankration
>fight goes down mostly the same with Ohma's bullshit all getting pulled out
>except Lolong doesn't lose, has been continually testing him, fights extremely brutal as it goes on, never wavers, justifies why the rest are spooked by him
>basically shows that while Ohma has been improving and incorporating he's still in a kind of gimmicky phase and isn't quite toppest of top level in the verse yet

>>288602991
Would let you to do cool fights with Ohma v Lihito/others instead of him just steamrolling everyone but shengus

>>288602928
There were a lot of screw over matchups in the arc but Jurota had it the worst imo.
>have instant kill S tier broken-ass unbeatable martial arts
>but fight on the one guy that apparently has an exact counter to it
>under the specific ruleset that allows this opponent to make use of this counter
>look like a bitch for your side for losing to an otherwise B tier in the verse

>>288602991
>pankration
After so long, he has returned at last

>>288603100
>>but fight on the one guy that apparently has an exact counter to it
The reasoning's dumb either way. Masaki probably suffered multiple concussions getting slammed but somehow that made him stronger.

>>288599929
>Oh god this image reminded me that they did the "special round" gimmick one (1) time in the entire tournament
I like to think Idemitsu called the staff and told them not to do a special match again after the rules fucked over his fighter only.

>>288599839
I mean yeah
Kengan Omega as a fighting manga sucks but as a comedy manga it's really entertaining.

>>288602608
how do they enter and leave the arena?

>>288597304
I didn't have any expectations for the final fight, but it still was disappointing.

>>288603493
Daro forgot to draw the stairs.

>>288602652
Daro has/had a wife and child.
He's not alone.

Sandrovich is also married and may have children.

>>288603206
Merely went limp in the brain.

>>288599839
Could be more outrageous

>>288598317
unironically could've been saved by the original joke ending that sandro wanted because it'd retroactively make all the forced hype of him sitting on a bench read as a really stupid recurring joke

>>288602991
Pankrationbro... where have you been?

>>288603738
Nah, it'd just make the entire Purg roster even more of a joke since everyone did lose to Lolong there unless the lesson here is that Ohma would've one shot everyone there too.

>>288603838
>the lesson here is that Ohma would've one shot everyone there too.
im pretty sure that's what we are meant to get out of their fight anyways considering they state over and over how longlong is the toppest of purgatory and literally kuroki tier

>>288603838
>Purg rostet is a joke
>Kengan dominates so hard Lolong never gets to fight
>appears in the story now and then but every time he just sits on a bench and drops a one-liner
>never fights onscreen

>>288603873
This would have been great.
His design would need to change though otherwise he'd be a clone of king from opm.

>>288603873
Would get accusations of being a King ripoff but I honestly don't mind.

>>288598317
A victim of Sandro's inability to make up his mind on something. Lolong is written so inconsistently that it even confused Daro, who tried to depict Lolong as the fight junkie the writing presented him as only for Sandro to shut down that interpretation multiple times. Lolong being a Worm hunter also makes no sense because he has nothing to say about the Worms on his team.
Even if you ignore all that Lolong is a huge jackass.
>does nothing about Naidan but interrupts Nicolas and Akoya, almost like it was because of Nicolas and Akoya wearing each other down
>guarantees a loss with Yumi because he knows he would have lost to Misasa and doesn't warn him at all
>badmouths Fei only after he dies
Like is this shit cool in Sandro's mind?

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>>288604150
yeah for "green" me he's unequivocal demonstration of sandro's incompetence and apathy, coping and benefit of the doubt could salvage it precisely up until this point.

>>288598517
>>288601827
Jurota's "swing" isn't a "matrial arts" technique
It is a "metaphysical" technique
A technique which is used "between" "panels."
When used correctly, the "swing" is impossible to avoid because it happens "off screen."
For one who is subjected to Jurota, there only recourse is to "get the timing right" so that the "throw" happens "on screen"

What are your favorite major fight rewrite ideas?
>Medel wins straight
>Lihito gets rung out
>no extra rules, Yumi just gets cocky against Misasa
>Akoya loses as a result of Nicolas cheating a couple times while he does his best to hold himself back from going nuts, which leads to his crisis of faith
>Lu Tian uses Wuwang Fist more but loses because Agito is more adept at blending his martial arts seamlessly
>Alan takes Raian to extreme difficulty with his physical superiority, causing Raian to kill him (less gruesomely) out of fear, frustration, and resentment
>Waka beats Fei with a high difficulty ringout, leaving Fei alive and fuming and actually giving Waka a payoff to his experience against the Niko Style
>Terashi is still an assassin, but he has unrefined hand-to-hand skill so he can be more than a gimmicky goof
>Lolong abuses the everloving fuck out of the Purg rules and menaces Ohma, denying him an enjoyable fight and forcing him to use every trick he has back to back

>>288600864
He didn't, he just knew he didn't stand a chance against any of them when they revealed themselves, so he stayed sitting

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>>288597686
I'm gonna say it.
I like Bone Consumption.
Always liked that the Nikostyle had hyper specialized utility techniques that lets you keep fighting under the most whack circumstances.

>BUT MUH REALISM
I have seen hundreds of people twist their body into the most retarded shapes possible on TV.

It's not outside of my suspended belief that someone could train to do this.
Ohma just snapping his broken finger back into place and moving it like nothing ever happened in Ashura was way more retarded imo.

>>288604451
Yumi throws the fight as part of a backroom deal with Nogi
Lolong having a Ohma / Kazzy-styled relationship with Toyoda

>>288602774
I remember these posts, just people redrawing the fight to get any form of pathos out of it. There was another one that had Carlos' reaction to the aftermath

>>288604531
>Yumi throws the fight as part of a backroom deal with Nogi
Holy fuck this is so much better than what we got.
It avoids the lose/lose situation of two unknown fangs fighting and shows that Nogi is smart with some of the original gray morality Ashura CEOs had.
Sandro would never allow it, the kengan association have to be the purest good boys.

>Someone tries to say Rolon would beat Fei because of statements
>I get to shit on them for pretending Omega has credible writing
I'm in "my element" right now

>>288604662
>>Someone tries to say Rolon would beat Fei because of statements
But that's dumb though, even Purg recognises that the real Fei is nothing like the one they knew. You can't even use any statements related to Purg since he's become a complete outlier.

>>288604662
You are both retarded joyless fucks.

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>>288604662
I do this but with Gaolang shitfucking Medel.
I know all you spicniggas are mad about it being a win by technicality.

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>Keng/a/n, you were awesome

>>288604531
I'd like to see Lolong have an almost brotherly relationship with Toyoda. Toyoda loves the guy because he's somehow a great entertainer while also being the best at sticking to the rules. Lolong respects Toyoda because he gave him a new life after his rocky past.

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>>288604451
Nicolas vs. Akoya happening any other way than it did. 3 ring deaths occurred and none of them in a match where both contestants were trying to kill each other. Akoya has gotten boring which is sad considering he used to be the most interesting wild card of a character, and as for my thoughts on Jean Luc Nicolas current arc plot... I'll leave it up to interpretation

reminder every meme you enjoy is a step of the huisheng ritual

>>288604817
This, for all that is holy stop the train once you show the Connector

>>288599286
He did appear yeah, but I mean I can't remember the last time one of those directly referenced things he influenced unlike Ashura when it would always get talked about when he changed a character's design or art/posing changes to make it more realistic and so on.

>>288604839
It doesn't help that Sandro isn't paying off the death flag that he set up all the way back in Ashura

>>288602774
>that bottom panel
I like how Sandro didn't bother to have Hayabusa leave the infirmary so that he could join his Purgatory colleagues in watching the final match from the dugout. Instead, he had Nitoku stand there.

>>288599699
Except the writer isn't aware he's written King

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>Alan shaking his head
>Carlos' muy bien
This reeks of soul compared to what we got.

Akoya got KO'd by a single Medel jab btw

>>288598317
Lolong talked so much shit the entire tournament and couldve even push ohma to demonsbane. What ajoke. And then were supposed to believe hes stronger than fei who was ragdolling THE wakatsuki takeshi and had ohma gasping for air. This clown manga never recovered from chapter 50. Whats worse is this shit happened almost 5 years ago and NOTHING has happened in the story. 5 fucking years wasted. Waiting for the axe to finally let this shitshow die

Who is the biggest jobber in the series?

>>288600049
Favorite type of barbecue?

>>288605196
Ohma confirmed he is one of the top 5 strongest people he has ever fought btw.

throwing away Fei was really just baffling.
Did sanro go "oh shit he's too strong" panicked and put him down?

>>288598317
He spawned some funny memes

>>288598900
For me it's
>promised special rules for matches that turn out to only be used a single fucking time and it's to cripple monke so he can get his face caved in for being the most evil being on earth (stole techniques)

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>>288605258
>Did sanro go "oh shit he's too strong" panicked and put him down?
Seeing how introduced someone way stronger later no, sandros writing is truly unfathomable

>>288599839
It would be more enjoyable if it wasn't draggin ashura through the mud

>>288605251
>Kuroki
>Waka
>Raian
That's it lmao which other big name did Ohma beat? Jerry Tyson?

>>288605258
It served to further wank Ohma, so it was fine with him.
>>288605319
>THE FUARKING CENTENARIAN DIED?!?!?!
I don't even know man.

>>288605258
"Too strong" doesn't matter if you're a villain, lmao

>>288605357
He considered that one time Agito pinballed him across the hallway a real battle

>>288605361
>doesn't matter if you're a villain
Yes it does because then you will become to strong to win.

>>288602128
Makes you wonder what the other tiers are like. Is C-list just elementary schoolers fighting elderly grandmothers?

>>288605357
Niko and Agito.

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>>288605394
Stop it

>>288605361
It does actually. It's a death sentence in this shitnga. Just look at Jurota's bio.

>>288605397
Probably guys that go 2-5 in ONE or UFC and then drop out to Purgatory to try and make a bit more cash on the way out in some real bloodsport.

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>>288605358
I'm reading ahead and it's just making me both laugh and seethe.
>that middle panel
Sandro is shameless with his retcons.

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>>288605394
I cant wait for this moment

>>288605319
Isn't there a two-year timeskip after this? Sandro couldn't even pretend to give Koga a chance

>>288601444
>>288601605
Terashi's entire existence is so funny and one of the best examples of Sandro's stream of consciousness writing because of how it's caught and preserved right there on panel. Even besides the Lolong stuff, you have him constantly fretting about the tournament and the wins and losses. Why would he even care when he isn't even a real member and only there for a job? Why would people like Jurota be consulting him for his opinion if he's a rando new B-lister? Why would he say things like "THAT'S NOT THE NAIDAN AND LU I KNOW!" when he doesn't actually know them and probably never interacted with these people before today?
And then of course the whole midfight bit of the ancient chinese assassin story.

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>>288605443
Also read a bit ahead, this page made me lose my shit

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>>288605490
Yep. Sandro literally just pulled that one year number out of his ass as page filler. It's fucking infuriating how he constantly does this. He'll say one thing and then have that thing contradicted within as early as the next chapter.

>>288605682
rereading and trying to piece together Worm's motives is giving me a stroke

Jesus christ the rollercoaster coming up
>the tragedy and all that comes with it
>masaki's plot becoming even more retarded
>the westward wu infighting and gilber's introduction
>the connector's introduction
>italy getting bombed
>supernovas introduced
>lu tian hunt
>mafia UN forming
>the great xia bullying
It's just one after another after another

>>288605682
>Excuse me, are you tourists?
Would make for a great reaction image.

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>>288605735

>mafia UN forming
It's almost a full chapter dedicated to that. And in all the years and chapters since pic related from chapter 151, that anti-Worm "mafia UN" has had zero mentions. Literally ZERO. It's pure filler that Sandro just slapped together in 5 minutes.

>>288602957
I didn't expect to see Ender Geister x Kengan ...

>>288605397
Mark Myers had a record going over a 100 wins and when we're introduced to him he's trying to rank up to B-tier and lost. After that the last time we see him he's state to be in B-tier now and Terashi was just a freshie B-tier who got on the team because Toyoda liked him enough
The whole ranking system is complete bullshit. At least in Kengan the win-loss records speak for themselves

>>288605441
>Carlos joined Purgatory because the public scene was too bullshit for him
>Yumi joined Purgatory after ladder climbing Kengan to boost his credibility, he just wanted better conditions and good pay
>Liu stated that they were just businessmen
>Jurota joined Purgatory to kill time till his crush showed up He would then join Kengan almost as soon as he could
>Toa the "Seeker" may as well be a Larp since he joined Purg and not Kengan where all the real freaks are
>Lolong feeds on tomato cans
>Falcon being some ninja larper who dips his toes in poison
Purgatory is for washouts, weirdo's and not the strong kind and guys looking for financial stability and employment

>>288605876
>Terashi was just a freshie B-tier who got on the team because Toyoda liked him enough
Again there are these flashes of something under all the muck but Sandro is too fucking lazy, stupid or arrogant to see it

>>288605830
dont worry it will turn out they joined the current tournament to kill shen

>>288605495
I can't even imagine how much contempt Sandro has for his readers when he's ad libbing things this blatantly out in the open.

>>288605830
"Heisenberg"? Unfathomable.

>>288605830
All of these guys are terashi tier

>>288606011
Wasn't he supposed to be bootleg Samuel L Jackson?

>>288605946
Is it weird that I remember Toyoda knowing about Terashi's plan from the french gov and letting him in the team on purpose? Or am I imagining things?

>>288605876
Chiba should've joined Purg. I know Ashura tried to establish him as someone who had a genuine interest in being the strongest and shit, but he'd have worked better as a hired gun who would disappear after his fight and go to Toyoda for higher pay, lesser risk and better use of his abilities

>>288606088
I don't think he did, but it could've been retconned somewhere. As it is, Terashi had to join Bishamon to get into Purgatory so he can try and get close to Nicolas.

>>288606137
If Toyoda was set up as a rival trying to make his own version of the Kengan association and he had several Kengan members on his side, the merger could have made a bit more sense

>>288599839
You do realize that this pic is supposed to be depicting a guy spouting a dumbass opinion that no one takes seriously right

>>288606189.
>Purgatory is poaching low and mid tier Kengan guys because the pay is better, there are actual benefits, you don't have to fight genetic freaks like Wakatushi and the chance of serious permanent maimings and death are near zero
Could have been a great plot point explaining why Kaz now runs a sort of mid carder stable, maybe introduce a conflict between CEOs and Fighters over fighter treatment

>>288606189
That reminds me how in Jagged Alliance 2 there was an emerging rival organization that employed some of the shittiest mercenaries from the first game, but there was a couple with actually useful gimmicks

>>288606236
No I didn't, because that's incongruent with reality

Since I've seen a couple posted, here's my personal rewrite for Terashi
>former assassin blackmailed by the French government to do one last job in killing Nicolas
>goes through Bishamon > Purg pipeline
>learned Wing Chun in his free time, gets by on his assassin skills and somewhat amateurish martial arts
>does well in Purgatory as he fights his way up, is up for A-list promotion
>actually starts to enjoy it and kind of wishes he could go legit, gets buddy buddy with several fighters
>even gets into his role as an entertainer and plays up the Chinese assassin character while he bides his time, secretly wishing his time with Purg wasn't quickly coming to an end
>becomes a favorite toy of Toyoda's and gets picked for KvP roster
>his determination against Okubo is informed by his emerging desires conflicting with his need to do his job

>>288606363
You missed the part where he learns pankration

>>288605495
I like how his entrance to the arena had him being portrayed like some kind of a horror creature. It was so obvious that Sandro was just throwing out random and different ideas for Terashi and seeing which ones readers liked.

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>>288602128
Liu is the one that was an actual flake.
Nicolas just struggled with non-killing.
Sure, from their perspective that's being a flake, but it's not quite accurate.

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>>288605501
Gilbert could never have even one TENTH of the charisma that Fabio Wu(also him) has

>>288597304
It was pretty mediocre, but fun, I won't lie. Even at its hypothetical best, I don't think it would have ever reached nearly as far as the highs the KAT did, since the entire manga was originally built around that, but it could've been a better intermediary arc in between whatever is coming up next.

Most of the fight part of the fights I thought were good. I think anons complaining about the quality of the art and choreography are mostly misplacing their feelings of the current Kengan onto here. The endings of a lot of them were pretty bad, Lu Tain and Rolon especially just were fucking nothingburgers at the end, despite having a lot of thematic and in-universe buildup and importance, big shame. I'm of the opinion that Koga still had no business being fighting in tournament like this at his level, but he and Gouki really should've have been sidelined so fucking hard just to have Ohma take so much focus, it sucks.

>>288604451
>Lihito gets rung out
I think this would make a decent amount of sense. He lacks any formal public experience, and he spent two years learning for Beard who probably wouldn't teach for that shit either.
So Lihito could be decently well off in his match, but through ninja trickery and actual inexperience with ring-outs he could lose.
For this to happen to Gao, the second strongest boxer of all time, is fucking retarded.

>>288604451
All of those would have been better, but mine is changing the existing bracket it to Waka vs. Lu Tian, Ohma vs. Fei, Agito vs. Lolong. Consign the Nikoshit to one match, reduce the number of mirror matches, give Waka his runback against white Agito, etc.

>>288605165
it's part of a series of edits btw for green ones
>>231623963

>>288605876
Yeah in terms of general strength I think the ranking is bullshit beyond the A-Rankers being strong.
But I would think that Myers was used as the gatekeeper to B-Tier. Like, he's actually stronger than low-end B-Tiers, but you'd have to beat him to rank up.
From an entertainment perspective, he reigns as a "champion" to beat.
And then, letting him eventually go to B-Tier after finding a new gatekeeper lets them form a "story" but unfortunately, he lost his initial rank-up match.

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>koga

Everyone is mentioning that a tradegy is about to unfold in the next few chapters, how many days?

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>>288606515
>I'm of the opinion that Koga still had no business being fighting in tournament like this at his level
1. Terashi exists. He's a completely wasted slot. Things couldn't be worse if Koga was in.
2. Koga didn't even have to win. He simply just had to show his progression and growth (with hypothetical examples including him fighting against Falcon or Yumi, but not winning, but just earning the respect of Purgatory and that being something that could lead to him training under Purg in the future).
3. Whatever power levels Purg had was not finalized until each fighter came out on the arena. Sandro could have easily adjusted the general canon powers so that Purg had plenty of weaker A-listers that Koga could have had reasonable prospects against. Remember: Sandro makes shit up as he goes along (in the case of KVP, see Medel, Jurota, Terashi, etc. as examples of characters being improvised on the spot). What you see in the finalized form of KVP with regards to the powers of Purg fighters wasn't something that Sandro had carefully planned for years.
Also, having Kokuro in the tournament (remember: he was supposed to try a second time to get into KVP, but Sandro completely dropped that subplot) would have been far more interesting than having Ohma in it.
Ohma coming back truly was a mistake.

>>288606957
can remember how many chapters it took, but it should be starting tonight and unfolds completely by either tomorrow or the day after.

>>288606957
3 more days, I believe.
In a few hours we'll have 138 to 140.
Then it's 141 to 143.
Then it's 144 to 146. This is the tragedy. Though you should still stick around for chapters 138-143, because that shit is also going to be a doozy.

>>288606989
>1. Terashi exists. He's a completely wasted slot. Things couldn't be worse if Koga was in.
Yeah, and it's the worst fight in the tournament, in my opinion. Koga in my mind at this point is Boat tier at best, someone who simply has no business standing around shoulder to shoulder with guys like Rain or Waka. Though I agree bringing Kokuro back for would've been good, but that just goes into the opinion that most of the R1/2 KAT tournament losers should've had spots instead of the Kengan top tiers(which I also agree with).

>>288607070
And by being Boat tier, I mean he would've had a Rihito versus Kuroki tier fight where he just gets absolutely brutalized and demeaned by whoever he's supposed to be against. He's already had that character moment with Gouki and fending off the Worms and having it again would just be twisting the knife for no reason.

>>288597304
From the art and fight choreography to the writing, everything was a pretty big step down. Felt like I was reading a half-hearted fanfiction at times.

it is my theory that Sandro once saw Senran Kagura, did some spoonerism for fun as japs are fond of, and came up with the idea of Kengan Asura from a simple play on words.

I hated Lolong and his bullshit and was glad he got his shit beat in. My only regret is that he didn't get his ass beaten even harder. I wish he ended fucking crippled, his face fucked up harder than Yumi's.
Fuck Lolong and any and every one of his fans, I saw some of you cheering for him.

HOW MANY MORE KAOLANGS UNTIL TODAY'S STORYTIME?

the anon above can't handle the manspreading master's aura.

so who would you have fight instead of misasa, akoya and raian?
I think Mokichi or Saw Paing could have been nice aditions

>>288607405
Actually Kokuro
Or if not Kokuro an hypothetical stronger new gen
Him being written as the strongest new gen then jobbing offscreen then disappearing is an absolutely baffling decision

>>288607405
Akoya and Raian getting into the tournament in the first place was absolutely a retarded move from Kazzy.
They ended up as a tie and a loss respectively for Kengan at KVP.
Anyone else would have been better to replace Raian. Even a boat shitter.
As for Akoya's replacement, plenty, even THE LEGEND could have been a better pick. Or Saw Paing, as you put it.

>>288607503
I hate it even more than I hate seeing Koga getting butchered. Kokuro pre chapter 50 was one of my favorite supporting characters. Such an amazing bro. I also find the juxtaposition between him looking like a hentai thug rapist and him actually being one of the nicest, most polite guys in the series to be really endearing.

>>288607405
Instead of Misasa we should have a completely new character as the 8th Fang, Akoya is fine to sell the desperation that the Kengan team is in to rely on a psycho like that, and Raian probably should have been replaced with a different Kure like Hollis to show off how powerful the Wu are

>>288602045
Bruh.
BRUH.

If Fei were Shen level he'd have easily murdered Waka. He would've gotten hit but bounced the punch back into Waka's face, and explain that because getting punched kills you he simply trained not to take kinetic damage. He would've been able to throw Demonsbane-level jabs by tucking in his elbow properly. He would have had the option of just turning invisible and knocking Waka out by lightly karate chopping him in the shoulder to "hold down" his "point of force"

Functionally for the story, Shen is an actual supernatural being who enjoys LARPing as human. Remember, Sandro scaled Kuroki to Yujiro level in the crossovers, and Kuroki can only lightly scratch Shen while putting all his effort into defense (they were both holding back btw)

>>288604451
Here's my insane rewrite idea: Yumi is still the Sixth Fang, and is strong enough to be worthy of the title. Metsudo wants to know if Nogi has the ability to keep the Kengan Association under control, and is purposefully prodding him by entering into a side deal with Toyoda (or he frames it as having lost a wager or something and being obligated, but in a cheeky way so you know he's fucking around) to have his Fang compete in Purgatory matches as well.
Yumi is still an over the top arrogant asshole, but now he backs it up and is undefeated in Purgatory, with that "shut up Yumigahama" exchange ending with Yumi saying something about finally getting to fight Rolon soon, after the tournament. The spotlight match is still on. Either have it be against Agito and have it be no contest, or have Omori in the tournament instead of Misasa and have Yumi beat him outright (with Omori begrudgingly acknowledging Yumi's strength but still hating his guts).
This would hopefully set him up as a more impressive hurdle to clear for Koga later on instead of the homeless hunter nonsense.
I share Metsudo's love of wild, rebellious types, but I still don't think I loved Yumi as much as I do now before "you" memed the monkey love into "me."

>>288608964
also Yumi cozies up to Yurikawa to steal pankration techniques from him

>>288608995
>Yumi cozies up to Terashi
>Comedy ensues as Terashi has to actually pretend to be a skilled and powerful martial artist to hide the fact that he doesn't know how to fight and his gifts are all genetic or surgically enhanced

>>288604451
Make Terashi a skilled martial artist, but he uses ancient martial arts and disdains things like modern MMA. This justifies him fucking with Okubo at the start and is significantly less stupid

>>288601651
>why is Purg built up so much
It is not. The only ones hyping it up are Purg fighters and Toyota. Yamashita is kinda cautious but thats how he is in regards to everything because Purg is so shitty he doesn't even know their top fighters.
>Also it's not even true that they're objectively weak,
They were EXPECTED to be weak. They actually being strong was the surprise. Not the other way around as anons keep memeing about. And thats the actual flaw in the writting because besides Jurota and Lolong, maybe Liu, the others either suck or are Worms

>>288604451
>giving Waka a payoff to his experience against the Niko Style

Nah, Waka is Niko Style's bitch

>>288609870
Are you ignoring the existence of pages hyping up Carlos and desperately trying to sell Lolong? Or that page saying Purgatory is strong because Yumigahama had a track record of 9-5? Carlos in particular literally got retconned half-way through his fight.
Kazuo doesn't know who they are simply because Sandro hasn't written them yet, and also wants a mystery box to hide behind; while doing so, he made the KA seem incredibly incompetent when it came to information gathering. Gaolang waited until the last moment to tell us Lolong's track record, and Alolan Julius who knows martial arts is in no way innately weak. This is just flat-out ignoring entire pages.
Those Worms you mentioned ALL had a humiliating display, with Naidan being the only exception.
Sandro was very obviously hyping up Purgatory and selling Kengan as the underdog.

>>288609870
>Yamashita is kinda cautious
*character assassinated and had ZERO control over who actually went out on stage
>They were EXPECTED to be weak. They actually being strong was the surprise.
Lu Tian and Alan had the worst performances of the entire line-up. Worse than all the "proper" Purgatory fighters.
Lolong shittalking Fei was something Sandro written to be taken seriously, and we're supposed to believe Ohma could beat Fei, too.
The "bad performances" you refer to are supposed to be seen as GOOD performances. You give too much credit to Sandro by presuming he did that intentionally.

>>288597304
This manga is fucking dog shit now, but you anons make it bearable, so thank you. With that said, I'm gonna miss all the brainrot once it ends

>>288609870
>The only ones hyping it up are Purg fighters and Toyota
hardcore Purgatory fighter Himuro hyping up Yumigamaha to be as strong as Agito

>>288609870
Sandro AMA?

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>>288609870
>They were EXPECTED to be weak
This is the page that introduces their power level. Every time characters talk about Purgatory's top fighters, they always talk about how strong they are. Even when they lose, Kengan fighters always talk about how close it is, about how strong Purgatory is. There's literally not a single point in the story where characters actually wake up and say "Oh yeah these guys are kinda dogshit", so I have no idea why people invent it.

I have to ask, What kind of diff was Lolong vs Ohma? I felt like Lolong was the underdog throughout the entire match.
Also, did you like the fight?

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>>288613892
I'm a fan of this one personally.

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>>288613953
Probably the only real implication of difficulty for Ohma in the fight was having to overuse Removal in the end.
"Despite what the visible damage would suggest, this match came down to a razor-thin margin"

>>288613953
On reread Lolong actually gave Ohma more trouble than I remember but aside from that uppercut it's basically still a mid diff, as soon as Ohma uses one of his trump cards Lolong falls behind badly and can't catch up.

>>288598317
Alright, imma go ahead and say it.
Rolón Donaire could have taken "him".

>>288604451
Medel should still win by ringout, but only after Gaolang intentionally takes him there trying to do the same thing
It'd send a clear message that kengan might understand the rules, but purgatory are clearly much more seasoned in them
Instead what we got made Gaolan look fucking retarded

>>288614711
>but only after Gaolang intentionally takes him there trying to do the same thing
And that would settle that Medel is at least as good as Gaolang by virtue of the latter not being able to just beat the shit out of him. If the fight turns into a stalemate your only option is the ringout. Only downside is that it doesn't consolidate Gaolang's growth as well (even though what we got did not either), but is still a good setup for it in the future.