>>32373000
>Leykis 101
damn i haven't thought about him since he stopped his podcast back in 2018. wonder what he's doing now

>>32373000
whose shilling this wingman nonsense? Trying to sneak their bullshit into a bunch of threads you cucks

Im just going to start doing what all the pickup zoomers do on tiktok where they ask for girls names compliment and ask for a number that seems to be the most basic formula where they decide if they like you or not instead of overthinking it seems to be a numbers game anyway

>>32373112
But just try it. It actually is very good, especially when you are stumped on what to say to a woman

>>32373214
>>32373112
Although the whole
>(AI dating coach for men trained on /htgwg/-approved material)

Does read like an ad. One has to wonder what material they trained it on though because whatever it is clearly is the best material out there. No AI is this redpilled about women and also knows how to talk to them so well. Their convo genius (which is what they call it) is very good.

>>32373223
I thought it was trained on Reddit at first, but in a brutally honest manner it tells you shit even Redditors refuse to tell you or would just mock you for not knowing.

Yesterday we had a Thanksgiving pitch in meal at work. This girl made rice and I mentioned that I liked it. At the end of the day, she got a bowl of it to give to me so I could take it home. It felt nice. I know this isn't enough information to tell anything but does that mean she might like me?

>>32373317
its better than nothing, but you will need more information. For now you should just assume it is someone just being nice.

this girl i know and run into quite often while i'm out having something to drink invited me to come where she's bartending tomorrow
not sure if i should go or not

>>32373795
dont put any pressure on yourself - just go an be social for a change.

I think this is too much but I don't lose anything asking. Besides money and looks, what other things do you need to get bimbos?

>>32373000
I'm going on a date next week for the first time in 5 years. We are going out to eat somewhere and then I'm showing her this piano studio on campus and playing for her.
How do I not fuck it up? Part of me wants to fuck it up now and just get her out of my life because I know it's not going to work out because I'm an unloveable incel chud and she's probably going to ghost me soon anyways since this is what all women have done to me.

When booking a hotel with the possibility of bringing a girl back there, do you book for two or one? No clue if the plan will work out but I want to leave my options open and prepare myself for success.

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reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

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Been reading the way of the superior man by David Deida while also slowly unfucking myself over the last few years and slowly learning (the hard way) how to be an actual man and not a simp "nice guy". Came up with this and curious what others think in order to improve it as a sort of quick reminder cheat sheet.

I've been dating a girl for nearly 2 months and my red flags are going up, and we did decide to be exclusive a few weeks ago
>smokes weed (weed smoke makes me sick, literally)
>regularly drinks alcohol and gets drunk, started drinking at 14
>told me she went to goth night at a club last night, used to have a partying phase
>tattoos
>very liberal
>her friends are all liberal and boring as fuck average people

Im basically the opposite of all of those and she is aware of that too. But she's been to therapy, and seems to have done some work to not be toxic
>constantly telling me how handsome and sexy I am
>very communicative
>always asking when I can see her next and is excited about it
>doesn't judge me and is easy to talk to
>kinky

I don't know guys, how do I figure out if I should move on? Her going to a club last night made me a bit sad, since we decided not to see other people, and at clubs it's basically assumed you're single or open to cheating if you go. But it's really nice having someone so into me I don't know at what point my concerns become deal breakers.

>>32373000
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RjH_KCJeKRo

The main thing is not being a passport loser

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reminder just in case someone's still "working on game" and caring about "openers" kek

>>32374149
the premise is good, betabuxing is bad, but "work on yourself and your personality" JFL

>>32374939
>different women respond differently to the same message
>this is apparently mindblowing to anon
I used the same canned opener that was just short of outright going "wanna fuck?" and I had one girl call me creepy and another one send me flirty messages in response.
>inb4 chad
I ain't some fat slob but I sure as fuck am no Chad lol.

>>32374958

>they're just different girls bro

chadfishing can be tried as many times as you want and the results are always the same

>I ain't some fat slob but I sure as fuck am no Chad lol.
if you have tinder success you're either a chad or lying/delusional. most likely lying because chads are a minority.

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STOP APPROACHING WOMEN. STOP USING ONLINE APPS. STOP GIVING WOMEN ATTENTION

Stop Asking Women On Dates, stop texting them thinking you are interesting because you are not. The reason you are getting ghosted is because you text and try to be funny, try to make her laugh or sound interesting. If you do manage to go to the next step and are actually meeting up and then get ghosted, stop taking women on dates. That stuff doesn't work anymore in the current year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEdsrfTd6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK1w1cAKS7o

Most importantly stop approaching women, at least for a while. They are already seething and this will only get worse and worse as they get less and less attention from men.

If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

If women just want to be choked out by scumbags and gag on giant cocks, what is even the point of trying to get a girlfriend if you don't fit the bill? You're either wasting your time or trying to live a lie?

>>32375137
cope

I was in love in highscool with a girl, we dated but it didn't go any further because I was shy at the time
Today, ten years after I discovered that she created a facebook account. I sent her a message to find out what she becomes.
She explains that she's looking for a job blahblah but she recently moved in with her boyfriend
I can't decide if I should give up already or if I should try something
[spoiler] For the record I just want to fuck her [/spoiler]

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>Be at work
>Cute girl that's a regular here normally doesn't talk to anyone really
>One day decide just to chat her up
>We stay consistently talking for her entire time there until she leaves
>Since then went from being alone to having a moat of orbiters
>These dudes that did not talk to her, now have formed a shield since I introduced myself

The fuck is this bullshit, fucking faggots

>>32374098

I have to agree with you bro. The clubbing thing specifically seems, in my eyes, a very clear issue. Guys go clubbing to meet women(to date or often just to hook up), and even if they won't admit it - women are aware of this. If she's gone to the club, and without her partner, I think it's quite a high risk that she either cheated or was open to doing so.

I could be wrong, I'm sure there's a tiny percentage of cases where that's true, but in all likelihood I would ask yourself if you really want to accept that.

>I don't know at what point my concerns become deal breakers.

You do know, you just don't want to acknowledge them and want to stay in the illusion.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry you're dealing with this, broseph

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>>32373000
Came from the front page.
Have a job, car, place of your own, relatively in shape, a couple of friends and don't be a total weirdo.

That's the guide, that's all you need.

>>32375068
Unlike you, I’ve actually tried “chadfishing” for shits and giggles. These images don’t show you the amount of girls who get turned off by “Chad” doing weird shit.
>if you have success then you’re chad or lying
Nah you’re just coping.

Two weeks ago I went to a gig with my friend. At the venue we bumped into a couple of his friends, none of mine since I'm pretty much a shut in. I managed not to be an anti-social sperg, participated in conversations, etc. To my surprise, I also managed to strike a conversation with one of his female friends whom I turned out to have a mutual friend with. After a while I found myself talking to her friend. We talked about all sorts of topics, turned out we had a bit of common ground, interests and all. I was a bit surprised with myself since it came to me naturally: Didn't feel like tryharding, no awkward pauses, the topics and the banter came naturally, I maintained the eye contact and didn't clam up like an autist.

Two things happened: when we were talking about playing instruments she mentioned she tried for a bit, but didn't find herself musically inclined so she would rather date musicians instead of playing an instrument. This came shortly after me sharing my experiences both playing the music, participating in bands, yada yada.

She was also smoking a cigarette and since the ash tray was fixed on the table beside me, each time she ashed it she would do this half hug like motion where she would swing her arm around me and her face would get like 10-12 inches from mine, she would also look me in the eyes while doing that (how I didn't drop spaghetti at this point is a miracle).

After that we went to see the band, she hung around beside me for a bit then disappeared and that was the last time I saw her that evening (after the gig my friend dragged me to drink with his friends at a different place). She's been living rent free in my head. I'm 60% sure it's just my socially awkward brain interpreting normal human behaviors wrong. I'm a 31 years old KHHV and she turned 20 like 2 months ago. She thought I was 24 and when she learned I was 31 she called me an old fart jokingly.

How bad did I fuck it up and what should I do in these situations?

>>32376737
i know for a fact that tinder is chad only

Teenage / young girls try to take sneak shots of me on the bus

I walk into a room , a girl starts "whipping"/fanning/spreading her hair out wide.

I am a hideous guy that makes everyone nervous or lowkey handsome?

>>32376593
Damn it. I got so close to having my first gf. Should I talk to her about my concerns, or just call it off? I guess I won't compromise my beliefs and preferences, which would mean she would have to change a growing list of things to the point where there is too much that needs to happen now, and I should end it?

>>32374096

honestly i went into that expecting some stupid redpill style cope but it's not even that bad

you should read Elliot Rodger's My Twisted World too

>>32376930
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a girl spread her hair lol

Girl I sit next too for a club walks into a room , I greet her (cause we are all acquainted at this point) and she says hello but looks down at her feet and avoids eye contact until seated

We still talk and stuff but is this a sign she just feels forced to talk to me?

>>32374149
All women from all cultures and countries are a monolith

Not like American women could've been raised in an exceedingly toxic manner
compared to other women

There's no way other women could be more intelligent, less arrogant, less superficial.

And this applies to millions and millions of women who are more beautiful on average than your fat Western cunt who thinks she's a princess.

Source: Just trust me bro

>>32373000
Do women want you to lie to them, bros? I've heard from a few people that they're turned off by mentioning that you're into anything like reading books, and I hate the idea of being disingenuous just for the sake of getting pussy or getting someone I'm physically attracted towards to like me

>>32376654
You can lie about job, More like have money to spend on girl.
Car probably true. But you could spend a ton on a couple taxi's and tell girl your car was given to person in need or something.
But I guess bus/train/scooter, and stuff are shit to girls. (it's probably true)
Couple of friends. Lie about friends? Could pay people to pretend, or something?
Relatively in shape. I'm not sure what we talking about here. I assume not Massively overweight or skeleton? But I Maybe assume most girls want movie model.
Don't be total weirdo. Well shit, I think you mean against her wishes? Cause if you weirdo and she likes it, it works.
Most lovers have "weird" things they like the most about each other.

>>32376875
>her face would get like 10-12 inches from mine, she would also look me in the eyes while doing that
>then disappeared
It was a test. Just to let you know, you FAILED. That's why she left.
What test?
That's the KISS test.
>what do I do?
Kiss her, you idiot.
And don't stop, you gotta keep pushing, get her to secluded area, or mention car or somewhere private, could be bathroom, and fug her.

It's basically a test to see how far you're brave enough to go. And she probably wants all the way.

>>32377931
I think it's just a type of hair flip/hair play.

It's kinda all the same. But if autistic, it might be some secret girl code. Where different moves mean different things (I'm not autistic enough to go for that...mostly)

But in general I think it just means, hey talk to me, touch me, get close to me, give me attention.

Or to be more basic, think of it like a wink.
So the guy is saying he walks in room and girls start "winking" at him.
;)
(just to be clear, i don't know all girls or read minds, just giving likely possibilities.)

>>32379119
Always be true to yourself. Reading books in particular is fine, if you like it. I bring like to take a book with me to pass time. One date told me that was nerdy. A different date told me that was interesting. So books by themselves don't give women the ick. And even if that was the case, it's more important to do what you want. That being said, don't miss out on opportunities of bettering yourself (whatever "better" means to you)
PS: values are non-negotiable

>>32375137
This guy has good advice, women truly don't seem to want to date anymore. It has changed my perspective on all the cunts on dating apps. I've had hoes unmatch me or stop talking to me altogether because I didn't quickly get the hint. And now I beat myself up for it, because had I the balls to directly tell them to come over to my place, or just say I'm doing X today, wanna come hang out? They would do it, but because I was a pussy thinking in more of a formal way of handling the situation, asking them to have drinks or coffee instead, I messed everything up.

Although I don't agree with his "
Example: instead of "I'd like to take you on a date"
Use this: "My cousin is having a bbq this sunday afternoon, since you said you didn't have plans that day you should stop by.. it's going to be a lot of fun... I'll send you the details later tonight..."

"

Comment. The alternative is too long. What you want to say is very simple:

"I'm going bowling today. Wanna come?" Just like he said, keep it short, informal. If it fails, call your friends instead and do the same thing anyways. And make sure you post it on social media, preferably where she can see it and you having fun. That's what it takes to succeed.

For other guys who are struggling with women, check out this guy's video. He for sure broke down the cloud in my head, why this girl was acting so mysterious and spooked by me every time I tried to make a move on her, etc... When you have confidence down you'd be bewildered by women not going on dates with you, and I have tried many times over text, IRL, etc.

Also remember that every girl you meet is only going to be nice to you at first, even if she agrees to do something, unless she enjoys spending time with you. Always have an abundance of girls to speak to. So what if one girl doesn't like you? Not like you both fucked anyways, so she doesn't know you. On to the next who doesn't want to miss out.

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>>32379372

you are fundamentally wrong tb h

the problem was your pictures all along. not "not getting the hints quickly enough", not "not having the balls to ask for sex on the spot", and not the way you ask for dates JFL

in fact that's not even how women think, it's male psychology to assume that it's better to behave in that way. it is probably not even a positive thing to talk to them that way compared to behaving normally with the same pictures.

i know you'll say "no but i used to be like that, and told them "my place, NOW" as opener and they would come over on the spot because i acted like an alpha bro". but let's be real. a woman will only go to your place if she is interested in you. and if she is interested in you then she won't unmatch because you "didn't get a hint quickly enough", over the way you suggest a date, or because you weren't direct enough "like a chad" kek. it's obvious

it's just what they see in the pictures. that's it. and by that i dont mean "outdoor pictures showing interesting hobbies" i mean who is in the pictures. basically. but feel free to keep coping with game, frame and openers if you want


also

>For other guys who are struggling with women, check out this guy's video. He for sure broke down the cloud in my head, why this girl was acting so mysterious and spooked by me every time I tried to make a move on her, etc... When you have confidence down you'd be bewildered by women not going on dates with you, and I have tried many times over text, IRL, etc.
>Also remember that every girl you meet is only going to be nice to you at first, even if she agrees to do something, unless she enjoys spending time with you. Always have an abundance of girls to speak to. So what if one girl doesn't like you? Not like you both fucked anyways, so she doesn't know you. On to the next who doesn't want to miss out.
cope

>>32373000
>girl face sank when I told my age
Big age gap. Its over, I failed again. Maybe I should resign myself to hags, but the thing is I dont want. Maybe I should start lying my age. Oh well

Women are only interested in dating badboys or dudes with serious money/status? Are you either? No? Then unironically give up.

>>32379372
>"I'm going bowling today. Wanna come?" Just like he said, keep it short, informal. If it fails, call your friends instead and do the same thing anyways. And make sure you post it on social media, preferably where she can see it and you having fun. That's what it takes to succeed.

Funny enough this is the common, modern Christian dating advice I get from friends at church. The premise is that you should be "inviting the girl into the adventure that is your life" rather than changing your life to make room for dating. So rather than asking a girl out on a date you invite her to stuff you already do on the regular.

Im seeing a girl, and im going on my third date with her this upcoming Thursday. It’s going to be a restaurant that turns into a semi-nightclub.

I feel like I’m a boring texter. How do I send more flirty or fun texts to her?

The bluepilled and fake concept of "work on your personality" was rejected at the ballot box. Status/Fame => Looks > Money.

>>32373000
Step 1, - take girls by force
step 2 , - leave no proof, and get "evidence" showing you were doing something else/somewhere else during that time.
Step 3, repeat.

You don't need to do shit, just take them, by force. Most of them like it.
>loud noises, and fighting
Drug her, or knock her out.
>not as fun
Once she's been taken she'll be like a puppet.
>what about evidence
Well your job is to make none, and provide "evidence" of you being other places, with other people. You just need some people to lie, and maybe a pic (with no timestamp) of you (or body double) somewhere.

You can get dozens, and 100's of girls, any time, any day.
Even multiple a day.
Girls like bad guys anyways, they are stupid and have bad taste.

Even if girls think you are doing it ("repe") to other girls (with no proof) they will be MORE turned on and attracted to you.

Sometimes you need to think outside the box, and not be afraid.
Girls don't like guys who are timid.
They like guys who are "aggressive", it shows you are willing to do things. It shows Drive.
Girls like guys with drive.
Guys that don't do stuff are boring.
Girls don't like boring.
(Don't break "rules" unless sure you can get away? Maybe don't take me too serious, but...whatever?)

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About to hook up with a tranny from Tinder that looks like pic rel. Wish me luck bros. Given that most women don't give us time of day, but trannies do, and many times they look better and healthier than women, just tranny max if you can.

>>32381262
After you do the deed come back and tell me if xhe smells and feels like a man or woman, genuinely curious

>>32381271
>>32381269
>>32381262
Nvm this is a post op tranny. What a freak. A tranny without her cock is like an angel without her wings

having second thoughts

>>32381287
(not referring to the tranny in pic btw), that one still has his balls and dick as seen in vid

>>32381262
You're a homosexual gay man, you fucking faggot. This is a thread for getting WOMEN. Not for getting mentally ill gay men, you gay fairy.

>>32381328
Sometimes all we have is mentally ill gay men to get off, not like we are incels by choice. It's not like any of the Stacies I matched with are answering my texts and this tranny easily looks better than all of them.

>>32380347
bro you are the hag, kek.

>>32373892
wdym, like two rooms or one room?

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Legitimately don't know what to do, I could lose a chance
>2 years ago I got my first job
>after 2 weeks there, the director got her step-daughter to help me with work
>cutebrunette.png
>she was smart, pretty and demure.
>she never told me she was in a relationship (later I found out she was)
>my other colleagues noticed we were into each other?
>we never got to exchange contacts
>one time she asked me to send her a email with a playlist or something, but she never gave an address and I didn't ask...
>shortly after some retard Superior shouted at me and I quit the job
>never saw her again.
>been trying to find her online for about 2 years
>somehow I found her IG just now, it's private
>thinking on adding her, but unsure

what do? the fact her stepmother was my boss is kind of weird, but I really liked her and I'd definitely marry this girl. I think she's worth getting rejected over.
Women's lives move fast, I'm afraid she might have someone or whatever. AHHHHHH wtf do I do.
pic unrelated

>>32381624
Marry is a little intense, but sure go for it. What have you got to lose?

I matched with a cute girl on Hinge, first match on any of these apps in like a year. We were talking for a few days, set up a date, and today she texted me that she doesn't have the time for a relationship and called it off.
This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Thankfully another decent looking girl matched with me tonight, we'll see how that goes. These apps fucking suck. Dating is a nightmare for zoomers.

Remember anons
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231513991/tinder-hinge-match-group-lawsuit

Don't go full retard by investing too much into the scam that is online dating. The apps do work well for free if you are a handsome chad, that's to keep the handful of women who use it there, otherwise it's to suck you dry of your money. $30+ down the drain for me.

>>32382939
50% of all relationships now start online.
What else am I supposed to do?

>>32382939
Also I had a really sus match on Hinge. It was a woman who say she valued communication and sex, looked rich and similar to Kim Kardashian. She seemed to really be into me, talked to her for a bit, then suddenly, unmatched. I'm 100% sure this kind of woman serves a bait in their backend to entice you to pay. Other apps operate the same way.

>>32382947
>50% of all relationships now start online.
>What else am I supposed to do?

Shit starting online doesn't mean starting on a dating app. Anything else will do. I have gotten much farther using Snap Maps and just talking, responding to and reacting to the snaps of random girls I see there. I'm sure if I wasn't a turbo autist and still used social media as I did when I was a teen I would have a gf. Anywhere that's not a platform that puts itself as online dating platform will do. Sure, there will be thots everywhere you go, but you're much better off dealing with thots than the Jewish dating algorithms. At least thots will respond to you, insult you, etc.., the Jewish dating platform will hide your profile and it never even started for you because the girls are psychologically primed to not respond to you.

>>32382968
I only use 4chan, Facebook, and Instagram. No success

>>32374098
You would be a retard to end this. Go to the club with her and observe one night. Women have the ability to tell men to fuck off, as many of readily know. Wanting to be desired but not engaging is not the same as cheating.

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>>32382968
Look at this anon, this is the result from a random cold message I sent a girl on some platform based on her interest. It was a flirtatious message that could allow me to set the scene for an invitation. I won't show you who sent it to me, and she's not the most attractive, it's a 38 year old woman, but I can guarantee this woman wouldn't even think to respond to me on a dating app.

I can't believe my ex left me bros. I don't want to go back to this miserable world

>>32382981
But what if you find someone better? You'd never know unless you try anon, get back out there, the clock is ticking.

>>32381262
Kek

this girl at the local supermarket is super cute and flashes a pretty smile at me (not in the friendly customer service sort of way the other way). the problem is I'm introverted as all heck and dont know how to start a convo with her. help meeee

I've been working for stay at a hostel and I've been seeing some cute European girls, of whom I've kissed 2 that I was attracted to. However another one was just so fucking beautiful and after watching the sunset together and even going to an aquarium, I never felt like I could've kissed her. I tried touch and hugs and all but she obviously didn't like it. I pulled a hail Mary tonight since she leaves in a couple days and just asked her back to my bed and she didn't even answer. I kind of want to just annoy her at the point.

>>32383623
Should I just ask if she wants to go to a love hotel

Anyone ever dated below their league?

I'm dating for real for the first time (youngfag), she is incredibly shy and well raised, to the point she is boring. Was thoroughly disappointed in her looks when we linked up and i felt uncomfortable all the time. She looks like younger sister of a girl i've seen in pictures, not to the point she's ugly just kinda mid. At least she's gonna wear braces and will probably only glow up from here, but man, I can already smell the judgement from the family and friends, 6'3 picky chudlite that waited 20 years brings over mid 16yo with zero charisma. What adds oil to the fire also is that my little bro's girl mogs her in all aspects as far as i can tell. Idk what to do, maybe its not that deep

>>32373000
>hot 18yo at my gym that I've occasionally caught stealing looks at me and trying to work out nearby
>29 but about to hit 30, likely not a case of "you look younger" since most people could accurately place me as late 20s

To any oldfags here, how do I go about this one? I'm thinking to start out with some casual chit-chat and try to escalate to flirtation from there and see if she likes it. If not, no big deal but I haven't been on a date since the whole pandemic crap started so maybe I've missed some things.

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Was walking down the street yesterday and saw my last talking stage, but I think she didn't see me. To be honest I wish she did, just to see what would've come out of it. Maybe it's my pathetic desire to still play a role in her life, even though we haven't talked since 2 1/2 months.
Honestly it has moved me more than I thought it would, feels like a band-aid got torn of while the wound hadn't healed yet. I am talking to other girls now but they are not doing their job at getting my mind off of her properly lmao.

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Getting a girlfriend is literally impossible for some guys. They get gaslit into thinking that women aren't as lizard-brained as men when it comes to attraction, and start believing if they become "better people" then a girlfriend will follow, or even worse they are fooled into thinking that trying to improve their appearance through weight loss gym, grooming etc. will increase their desirability when all of this shit is genetically predetermined.

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Is it possible to meet women without using an app?

I haven't had a GF since 2019, then the pandemic hit and only this year I'm starting to feel like my mental health has recovered & I've started to gain my social skills back.

I really don't want to download the apps

>>32383723
>Getting a girlfriend is literally impossible for some guys
And making a good post is also literally impossible for some guys (you)
>trying to improve their appearance through weight loss gym, grooming etc. will increase their desirability when all of this shit is genetically predetermined
If someone is an unkept slovenly fatass it wasn't their "genetics" that determined that, it was their own poor choices. If anything it's a good thing that genetic determination is real, if the previously mentioned slovenly fatass goes to the gym and takes up good grooming he will then right the ship to become the person he WAS genetically meant to be, which is a good thing. How is it not?
Mother nature knows better than you.

>>32373000
>Woman has hitherto been treated by men like birds, which, losing their way, have come down among them from an elevation: as something delicate, fragile, wild, strange, sweet, and animating—but as something also which must be cooped up to prevent it flying away.
§237

>To be mistaken in the fundamental problem of "man and woman," to deny here the profoundest antagonism and the necessity for an eternally hostile tension, to dream here perhaps of equal rights, equal training, equal claims and obligations: that is a TYPICAL sign of shallow-mindedness; and a thinker who has proved himself shallow at this dangerous spot—shallow in instinct!—may generally be regarded as suspicious, nay more, as betrayed, as discovered; he will probably prove too "short" for all fundamental questions of life, future as well as present, and will be unable to descend into ANY of the depths. On the other hand, a man who has depth of spirit as well as of desires, and has also the depth of benevolence which is capable of severity and harshness, and easily confounded with them, can only think of woman as ORIENTALS do: he must conceive of her as a possession, as confinable property, as a being predestined for service and accomplishing her mission therein—he must take his stand in this matter upon the immense rationality of Asia, upon the superiority of the instinct of Asia, as the Greeks did formerly; those best heirs and scholars of Asia—who, as is well known, with their INCREASING culture and amplitude of power, from Homer to the time of Pericles, became gradually STRICTER towards woman, in short, more Oriental. HOW necessary, HOW logical, even HOW humanely desirable this was, let us consider for ourselves!
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, §238

Getting a woman is a simple matter: you need to first accumulate power in the society you find yourself in. Then, you must find a woman who can be persuaded into the cage for her that your power is capable of building.

>>32383754
Are people still really using the pandemic as a crutch with a straight face 5 years later? It was a half decade ago. Think about that. And if your mental health has truly taken that long to recover, the harsh truth is you were never mentally strong in the first place.
Likewise..."getting your social skills back"? You shouldn't have lost them to begin with. Even if you were isolated for a while, it doesn't work that way. It's just talking to people. Hell I haven't ridden a bicycle in a very long time, but that doesn't mean I magically just forgot how. At some point instinct and common sense takes over, along with long dormant memories. Social skills are no different.

I want to date a beautiful hacker who is kinda underage, I also am wanting to do porn with her. I was wondering should I go for her since she isn't 21 yet, so technically I can't get her high or drunk yet. Also, how is it like dating a vtuber? Also also, is it really easy to get molly?

>>32383763
>go to gym
>eat sensibly
>lose weight
>look fitter
>still lose out to out-of-shape chad with "dadbod"

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>>32383771

>It was a half decade ago

It ended 2 years ago? Are you retarded? You can't take the first day of the pandemic and say that the pandemic was 5 years ago when it spanned several years.

Fuck what a moron. Don't even reply to any of my further posts, I'm not interested in your retarded opinion.

>>32383723
Hey fellow anons: don't let some guy project his insecurities onto you and convince you that it's all over

>>32383824
What third world shithole are you from that was still under lockdown 2 years ago? I was back at work and everything more or less normal around me back in late 20/early 21.
I note how you didn't even touch the rest of my post, the more important parts of it. Face it, 2 trips around the sun is still a long enough time to "relearn" the social skills you should have never lost in the first place. Just admit that you're a mentally weak little BITCH and we can all move on.

>>32383796
>>go to gym
>>eat sensibly
>>lose weight
>>look fitter
Oh boo hoo, you mean things you're supposed to be doing anyway?
> out-of-shape chad with "dadbod"
Well which is he, out of shape with a dadbod or chad? He can't be both.
If he's that out of shape he's probably much older than you and let himself go, which means you shouldn't be competing with him anyway, or you're just ugly as fuck and need to stay in your lane. You won't get the same girls as him, but that doesn't mean you can't still get girls. Or at least it wouldn't if you weren't a mid trying to shoot out of his price range.

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>>32383824
>bitch using a fake pandemic that made him stay in his house for 2 months as an excuse for being pathetic

HOW TO GET WOMEN: REPLY TO THEIR POST AND MESSAGE THEM

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>>32383845
>>32383854
>it's the pandemic's fault I can't get women!
>it ended just 2 years ago, you monster
>muh mental health

but also

>y-you guys are upset! you!!

Pick a lane here anon.

>>32373317
>you know the route to a mans heart is through his stomach, are you trying to woo me miss? It's working.

>I'll give you back your bowl if you give me your number.
>no? Then I'll keep it as a memento of a love taken too soon

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>>32373973
No, they fuck retards

>>32383889
Is this saying having ADHD is the best way to fuck women?

>>32383841
"Dadbod" is just some reddit-term for a genetically superior dude who's let himself go, but it's designed to show how women aren't shallow lmao

I asked a girl from bumble that i went on a date with for some feedback on our date since we never saw each other again. If i didnt speak enough, if i spoke too much, if i wasnt really dressed properly, etc. The date was on a friday and i messaged her on sunday like 10 pm just to see if she was ok and if she was interested judging by her messaging. I noticed she wasnt really interested so i just said "whatever".
The date imo went really well, we spoke a lot, got laughs, and she even wanted to go to another bar. Eventually we said our goodbyes and told her i wanted to see her again, she said yeah.
So anyway, i asked for feedback and she said that she liked our date, she had no complains. i told her "yeah but you showed no interest" and she said "dude you messaged me on a sunday night". I never insisted on keep talking to her, and apparently "she has ADHD" so she kinda forgot about me, and once she remembered she was already on a relationship.
But that doesnt help me. I need to know if im ugly or too short, or if my personality just isnt good enough, so i know if i should keep trying or just forget about love. But i dont have no answers.
I have good comunication with women, thats not the problem. And my female friends say im a catch (and before you say anything, no im not interested in them, so its not like they have me in the friendzone or anything), but that doesnt help me either, because they are friends. Friends opinions are worthless to me.
I wish i just had a reality check. You are too short/ugly to date but nobody is giving me that. I live in a country where the women are short and they are not as poisoned as USA girls like "omg be 6' tall or bust". Deep inside i know this might be not the problem. But that pisses me off because i just dont know what im doing so wrong. I cant fix things like this. I cant solve problems where i dont know what to fix.
ANyway, sorry for the vent.

Commenting just to say that I checked out the wingman.live thing just now and I can say that it already works wonders. Much better than just talking to ChatGPT or this Pi.ai thing I found on Reddit. It's a shame that you're only afforded so few free messages in a week though.

I made a thread of this but maybe u guys can help

What happened is that I live in a town far away from my friend I’ve known since high school, and we were texting. A coworker of his asked who he was texting and he said me and showed a picture of me to her. She became interested immediately, and my friend was saying I have this girl in the bag. I didn’t think too much of it at first, because I live so far away. So I got her Instagram and we started texting. One thing led to another and it got more passionate, we both know what each other looks like and we both knew what we wanted. Thing is, she says if we kept talking like this, she told she’s talking to someone and they’re having their first date Friday. I said I didn’t care and can’t control what she does. I was just gonna hook up with her.

Now where the problem is that my friend texts me saying the dude she’s dating is his friend, and that I should basically stop talking to her and let them go out. I’m basically being cockblocked by my own friend. So I just sent simple texts to her over two days, and then eventually let her know what’s going on. Telling her that I am unsure if we can meet because of the dating situation and my friend telling me to basically back off. She didn’t care though, she said it’s only the early stages of dating and still wants me. I tried to explain that it’s cheating and I’d be lying to my friend if I went there and banged her. She kept telling me how I’m better than the guy and she wants me instead, so I asked her just to not date the guy anymore but she said he’s “close by and has similar interests”. She also said she’s gonna keep seeing him.

The thing is I wanna fuck her so bad. She’s gorgeous and fun to be around. I don’t know if I’m just caught up in the passion and in the moment of it right now, but I’m annoyed by my friend by telling me to let his friend have her and see if it works out for them. Even though she wants me.

cont.

>>32385362

She told me how I’m better than him and wanted me more. She said we could keep it a secret. It felt wrong to me to do; because one I’d be fucking a taken woman, and two I’d be lying to my friend. She said I had good morals and she didn’t want to ruin that for me. But the passion we have for each other is a lot, we want each other badly. I don’t know how to feel about this. I need help. Am I doing the right thing? Should I meet her and sleep with her even when my friend told me not to and she’s taken? I’m frustrated. Help me.

I'm outside. Where the hell are the women?

Probably not a good idea to get involved with someone when you're planning to kill yourself, huh?

>>32383619

you have two options here

accept this for what it realistically is (just a cashier being nice) or go down the game and frame rabbit hole and end up being the creepy customer who harassed her in the story she'll tell her friends and ruining her day over a delusion you made up

none of this would be a problem if you were attractive. you wouldn't be shy because you would have positive social feedback, and you would have success with women and wouldn't be coping with a cashier who smiled at you "the other way".

dating is easy for attractive men. they casually get a gf because they both gravitate towards each other. socializing is easy and comfortable and so is dating. they don't ask for help on 4chan, improve themselves, grind, or need any courage for it

tl;dr: if you have to try, let alone ask for help, it's over

>>32385754
Im choosing denial then. I get a lot of smiles from women but am absolutely autistic socially when it comes to making or even maintaining friendships. I blame strict parents and bullying in middle school. My ex was fanatically head over heals for me and I blew it due to being socially retarded

Im fking going for it

I like a girl right now but I just so happen to be in a really bad place. Really depressed. Is it a bad idea to try to pursue a relationship in this state?

So starting to date a 21 y/o virgin (pretty much 0 previous relationship experience).
Date 2 is tomorrow - brunch. Not my preference wanted something at night, but I'm busy the only night she is free. (She works during the day at a job and then as a nanny at night - pics and texting me during this time so she's not with other guys etc.).
Everything is pretty good. However, the problem I have is that she is flagging that physical intimacy is going to be a long way away for her. Affection is very important to me and we had a small tiff last night because she was averse even to cuddling while watching a movie in the future. She moved the conversation pretty quickly and so there was no real closure on the issue. I'm happy to take things slow given her history, but I want to see some progress at least. Perhaps I'm being impatient, but the tiff last night made me rather angry because I'm in it for a relationship not a friendship and we are committing a lot of time to each other with texts/phone calls etc.. We talk lots and have good chemistry and she does say romantic things.
Thoughts/advice? All the other girls I've been with have been more experienced so usually having sex by 2nd or 3rd date. I'm prepared to drop her if she's too cold/not giving anything.

>>32386294
I should clarify that I'm busy the only night she is free THIS WEEK.

Met a girl a couple months ago and we've hit it off so well. We're constantly seeing each other, staying over at each other's house each weekend, great sex, lovely company, etc. I can't stand being apart from this woman and we just count down the days until our next date is planned. I wish I could see her every single day.
Fellas, is it gay to fall in love with a woman?

>>32386584
Yep, super gay.
>>/lgbt/

>>32386294
Im jealous. Treat her right, if its legitimately her first relationship then u have a shot at old school romance. Maximum bonding levels possible, u will be able to gain her full trust and she will never dare to look anywhere else lest u give her a solid reason to. Date her to marry

>>32386171
yep dont do it and if you stick to your guns , it'll build some characters - like "yes I have some standards for myself that I'll uphold if I'm serious about this person"

What meds do you need to pass as a normal person
State gender

I was at the gym and a literally 10/10 tier girl fit as hell started training next to me , she was young like some young zoomer basically but I ignored her and got back to my session. As I was walking away I coulda sworn I heard "fag" behind me in her general direction

Women , was she expecting to be approached? She was looking down at her phone and hovering around my general area and came right next to me on the bench but never made eye contact

Is this just a bitch that shoulda gotten knocked out (hypothetically) cause she thinks she's gods gift to man?

>>32387015
extraversion and convo skills , literally it

>>32373000
This img makes me uneasy. One of my filipino mates looks exactly like the male version of her

>>32387675
Its a sign to ma>>32387232
ke him into your gf anon

>>32386071

"fucking going for it" is not a mentality that actually works in dating. that's my honest advice. the way non chad normies get girlfriends is because they are patient and socialize a lot

feel free to go for it though, no harm done. the only problem is if you got here often i guess

>I get a lot of smiles from women but am absolutely autistic socially
cope

>>32383883
Is this a real thing a person thought of to say?

>>32383723
>t. fat

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How do I find a thiccc, racist, blonde cowgirl if I live in california?

>>32390838
get a native chinese with dyed hair

Never in the history of these threads has there been an actual advice that one could follow step by step to acquire a girlfriend.

She's drinking with friends on a monday. I'm dating an alcoholic and we're already exclusive. Fuck my life.

Going to try speed dating.
Anyone wanna come with? Los Angeles

>>32390838
Orange Country, Bakersfield, maybe Fresno

>>32391315
I offered $1000 to anyone who could help me attract a girlfriend. The fact no one bothered proves these threads are a waste of time.

>>32391338
I live in SD, I'd go, but i just got my first gf. Also speed dating sounds pretty cringe

>>32391382
You got plenty of advice last time but you refuse to take any of it. Fuck off troll.

>>32391517
There is no "advice" in these threads. It's the blind leading the blind and the occasional humblebrag.

>>32391560
>It's the blind leading the blind
NTA but I've seen good advice given in these threads multiple times. I've GIVEN good advice, myself, multiple times.
The issue is you fags never listen and never put it into practice. The fact that there are 3 or 4 VERY obvious anons in here always incelposting ($1000 anon, spinefag, creepshot anon, Schooler) is pretty clear proof of that.

>>32391573
>NOOOOO IT'S NOT MY ADVICE THAT SUCKS.... I-IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LISTEN

>>32391591
Well...yeah. That's exactly it.

>>32391600
The proof is in the pudding. If your advice was remotely good, it would've resonated with us, but since it didn't, we can safely say it was horseshit like the rest of these threads.

>>32391610
It doesn't "resonate" because you're a bunch of lazy retards who never actually listened to it, and who mostly deserve your loneliness and inceldom.
There's only so many ways to tell the same 3 people "hey, think you're going down the wrong path here buddy", and no one here is actually invested in your success beyond making a post here and there. No one can do it for you or even make you take the advice. You have heard that expression about leading horses to water, right?
Also just lmao at your whole worldview, some major Main Character Syndrome creeping out from your words here faggot. I know how bad zoomers are with this but the really alarming thing here is I have a feeling at least a few of you are quite a bit older than that.

>>32391652
>and who mostly deserve your loneliness and inceldom.
lmao you're a just-world fallacy faggit.

>>32391737
Ah yes, your favorite term that you have to work in to every post. Did you learn that on the incel wiki? Maybe you should go back there.

>>32373170
Thoughts on this idea? Like speed running asking girls out

>>32391839
kind of a waste of time, be prepared for a 99% rejection rate

>>32391825
Then don't be a moron who thinks there is some karmic law where everyone gets what they deserve because you can't accept that actually some guys are incapable of attracting women through factors beyond their control.

>>32391860
>Then don't be a moron who thinks there is some karmic law where everyone gets what they deserve
Here's the thing though: I never said that.
YOU said that I said that.
Do you see the difference now?
> some guys are incapable of attracting women through factors beyond their control.
That might be true, but you're not one of them.

>>32391866
You said that incels deserve their loneliness. That implies that the universe is morally just and fair. It couldn't be that incels might have inherent disadvantages holding them back? Naaaah. It must be because they don't tryyyyy enough, because we all know if you tryyyyy you get what you deserve. Retarded fuck.
>That might be true, but you're not one of them.
You know nothing about me.

>>32391889
>That implies that the universe is morally just and fair
No anon, it implies that you are huge faggot and you deserve your fate because you're a shitty person and I'm glad you have your problems. YOU, you alone. This has nothing to do with "le universe".
>You know nothing about me.
I know this much, someone who truly believed they were incapable of getting a woman wouldn't constantly be in these threads shitting them up. They would have moved on.
The fact you are in here CONSTANTLY shows me that at least a small part of you is still clinging to hope and wants to be proven wrong.

>>32391920
>No anon, it implies that you are huge faggot and you deserve your fate because you're a shitty person and I'm glad you have your problems. YOU, you alone
Except that earlier you grouped all incels together as deserving their fate. Try to keep up with your own arguments.
>someone who truly believed they were incapable of getting a woman wouldn't constantly be in these threads shitting them up. They would have moved on.
Why would they, anon? Why do you suddenly set the rules on human behavior?

>>32391942
>Except that earlier you grouped all incels together as deserving their fate. Try to keep up with your own arguments.
Except I didn't. That's what you want me to have said, or you're just an autist who legitimately can't tell the difference.
Go ahead and tag the post where I said it though. I already know which one you will. Let me guess...is it this one? >>32391652
Because that is NOT what it says.
>Why do you suddenly set the rules on human behavior?
I know a hell of a lot more about human behavior than you do anon. That's why you're here, remember?

>>32391964
Dude, stop digging. You literally said it in that post "you're a bunch of lazy retards who never actually listened to it, and who mostly deserve your loneliness and inceldom."
>That's why you're here, remember?
I'm here because I'm bored and masochistic.

>>32391975
You DO deserve your loneliness and inceldom, yes. But that's nothing to do with the universe or because you don't work hard (although that part is also true), you deserve it because you're an absolute shitbag.
A lot of times bad people get no comeuppance, but you ARE and that's a good thing, it means that sometimes our deeply flawed universe actually gets it right.

>>32391997
>you deserve it because you're an absolute shitbag.
lol See what I mean? You have to demonize me and make out that I'm a bad person to rationalize my situation. Like I said, you're a just-world fallacy faggit.

>>32392020
Anon your low character is proudly on display in this thread and probably all of these threads. I don't have to demonize you or make you out to be anything, you're doing it all yourself.

>>32392028
My low character, huh?
Exhibit A:
>>32391920
>you deserve your fate because you're a shitty person and I'm glad you have your problems.
lmao. But yes, please tell me I'm the scumbag here lmao

>>32391889
based

>>32391997
you are a deluded normie and literally claiming that incels have a bad personality and deserve our struggles because we complain about it

>>32373000
Anyone here ever date a Jehovah's witness? I met one at work and we click pretty well, but I can't see myself following the rules set out by their church, and she takes it very seriously, she's not crazy or anything she just has a lot of faith, but she's cute and really sweet, I don't know what to do bros.

>>32381262
based
i wish i could meet a cute tranny

>>32392038
KILL YOURSELF INCEL

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I'm going to the bar to see if I can pick up a milf. Wish me luck.

>>32392082
>deserve our struggles because we complain about it
yeschad.jpg

>go on first date with girl
>we talk for an hour and she doesn't ask me a single question, not even a "and you?" to my questions, just answers and then keeps talking more about herself
Is it over?

>>32392637
depends on your goals, but yeah she's an attention hoe , not for actual GFing long term or anything

>>32392163
>she's not crazy or anything she just has a lot of faith,

That's how they get you nigga

Fucking pointless general
Shitty advices all over, no one here ever fucked anyone

>>32385754
Cope

The most attractive person in my friend group is shy. He's tall and absolutely shredded, he just hung around the same 5 guys his whole life and simply cannot talk to anyone new. You can be good looking and poorly socialised

>>32386171
No, let's say your ideal future wife is out there right now but she's in a rough spot. Would you prefer not to meet her because of this?

>>32390180
>the way non chad normies get girlfriends is because they are patient and socialize a lot

ahh shit that's actually helpful. my ex (first out of school) that's basically how we came together. I havent seen the chick at the store this week so ill take that as a sign.

>>32391610
Mate that's retarded. I could give a step-to-step guide on how to get the experience and skills necessary to become a doctor right now. Would anyone on this thread actually go and do it? Probably not.

Rule 1 of life is you need to TRY.

>>32392637
Yeah she's a retard for sure, I had the same experience once except it was 5hrs long. Awful. If she suo for it you can see her again, maybe she's just nervous and that was her way of dealing with it, but she's probably just stupid / has poor social skills.

>>32391854
So it’s better to focus on one girl for a longer time and still possibly get a no?

How to get a girlfriend:

Step 1: Be calm and think of puppies and kittens.
Step 2: Do not have OCD
Step 3: Be yourself

>>32393352
Wrong. It all comes down to LUCK, not trying. Luck that you are physically normal and healthy (genetics), luck that you had a good upbringing (environment) etc. Some people are simply too abnormal physically and/or mentally to be capable of attracting a woman, and it's not their fault. But that screws with your retarded worldview that everyone gets what they deserve by pulling up their bootstraps.

>>32393391
There is truth in what you say, obviously, but are you not able to make good decisions? If not then fine, you are stupid, but if you are then you have at least some capacity to improve your outlook.

>>32393400
That's like telling a dude in a wheelchair that he can decide to walk.

>>32393424
I bet to you there is a dude in a wheelchair who wouldn't let of how he can't walk effect his life.

>>32393429
I'd rather be in a wheelchair and be normal-looking and neurotypical, than be like this.

>>32393435
Well like in a wheelchair would you like to know there are several people in this world dealing with brain and head trauma from wars and stuff like car accidents, yet a good amount of them still try to live a good life despite all of that?

Would you like to know your ability to make excuses that make sense is actually a curse on your life?

>>32393440
Who said I haven't tried? It's exhausting trying to constantly ice-skate uphill because circumstances have screwed you over. No one can succeed when they are not comfortable with who they are.

>>32393444
That's the issue. All those excuses they make sense, but I bet to you there is a huge gap in them you're keeping a secret that you do have control over like my older brother secretly going out at bars late at night to drink heavily with his hipster friends without my knowing. Better to be a retard and do one thing and stick to it.

>>32393464
>but I bet to you there is a huge gap in them you're keeping a secret that you do have control over
I don't know what this means.

>>32393444
What have you tried?

>>32393424
No it isn't. It's like telling a dude in a wheelchair he can go to the park and have a coffee by the lake anyway. Do what you can, not what you can't.

>>32393478
Simple, you notice of how you spent 5 hours on playing on your PS5 until 5 AM and then spent 3 hours of it on 4chan, only to begrudginly go to work feeling like shit... Well why not dedicate that time properly to where it needs to be, and try to stick to it, so that you can get farther than life. Those huge gaps will be there anon in your life and that those times when you feel like you need to spend more time than necessary doing nothing... Is the time to do something.

>>32393478
Well I don't know what pulling all nighters doomscrolling, playing video games, and watchin porn all the time are like. Best to do all of that in moderation so that you can focus on living your life the best you can.

>>32393479
Tried to improve my appearance, still insecure as shit. Tried to be more social, just reinforced what an outcast I am.
>>32393480
>Do what you can, not what you can't.
And what if that isn't enough?

>>32393496
>enough
For what? What is that you want specifically, after which you think you'll be satisfied? Life is a treadmill, it's never enough, but you do it anyway because the alternative is falling behind, grinding to a half and being totally fucking depressed. I'm almost there myself desu, so I understand you, but... What's the alternative?

>>32393496
Bro, I could have been told as an autistic that I'm too retarded to do math, and let it get to me, but I still made it through and passed Calculus 2, Business Statistic, and two accounting courses.

Your issue is OCD.

>>32393506
>but... What's the alternative?
If one is sick of living, and they know there is no hope of improvement, then suicide is the only option... but that's a big call to make, and not without its consequences.

>>32393512
>Your issue is OCD.
Nah, my issue is being trapped in a body that I hate.

>>32393531
Again, OCD.

>>32393541
It might cause OCD but that is not the root of the issue.

Why do guys that have sex with 18-20 year old girls while being late 20s to 30+ get shit on so much and called weird?

I've been sexually active since 24, now 31 and have had sex with over 100 Asian women (I find Asian women most attractive, no I'm not white, no I'm not a passport bro). The age of these girls that I've had sex with range from 19-45. My dating app age range is also set from 18-45.

I see time and time again that if an older guy (late 20's +) even entertains having sex with someone "so young" the guy is a huge creep because there is "no way they can have something in common" and "the guy is exploiting a young girl that has little life experience."

The number one thing I hear is;
"You should be dating women in your own age group."
"The reason these guys go for younger women is because women their age don't want them."
"The reason these guys go for younger women is because they are losers and are praying on young, naive women."

As someone who is 31, looks young, is fit, dresses well etc. I, in fact, get a lot of attention from women my age. The problem is I don't particularly want to settle down yet. I would be wasting THEIR time dating or hooking up with them.

Women that are older than me by 6+ years also aren't expecting to really date me, they just want to get validation from a younger man that is attractive and wants to have sex with them.

The few girls that I have slept with that are 19-22, I also wouldn't "date" but will happily have consensual sex with them. The #1 reason I hear from these girls as to why they slept with me was because I am "mature" and handsome compared to guys her age.

I do think it is weird if a guy specifically goes after ONLY 18 and 19 year old girls.

But let's be real, 18 year old girls are no angels. There are so many 18 year olds with onlyfans and hop straight into porn.

maybe im just gonna have to cave and pay for a hooker. i need to get laid.

>>32393601
Late twenties to early thirties is when a womans value in the dating market starts to markedly decrease. Coming off of 10 years of being high value and desired by all men around them, some women do not handle this change in circumstances very well.

>>32393628
It seems to come from guys more often than not. I've heard from guys that are 20-25 say that couldn't even imagine being sexual with a girl that is 18-19. Main reasons being that they are "right out of high school".

The funny thing is you know for a damn fact if an 18-19 guy met an attractive woman that was 30, they'd smash if possible and even brag about it to their friends.

>>32390418
I am not real

>>32393601
>"The reason these guys go for younger women is because women their age don't want them."
I mean that bit is true in a way.
I'm 37 and I go for younger women because my age group is full of bitter bitches with failed marriages and ridiculous standards, most with children too. They already failed the dating scene but won't budge and would rather be alone, so let's fulfill their desires and leave them alone.
I know a couple of women in their mid 30s, both single mothers, one of them has two children from different fathers. They still think they're entitled to rich businessmen, except those types are already chasing 23 year olds.

I'm not explicitly seeking 18 year old girls, my target is around 23-30, but if a pretty younger (legal) woman offers herself I won't say no.

>>32393668
>I've heard from guys that are 20-25 say that couldn't even imagine being sexual with a girl that is 18-19
Lying hypocrites.
I won't sugarcoat it, if a girl is hot she's hot, no woman develops womanly features overnight on her birthday. I won't ever try to date a minor, but I'm not going to pretend a lot of 16 and 17 year olds aren't already fully developed and attractive. That's just a forbidden fruit.

>>32393601
It is weird that you are fucking 18 year old girls as a 31 year old man. Yes, it is true that there's no way you have anything in common with them and that you probably can't hold an actual conversation.
So yes, you are dating them purely for sex, that's why people think it's weird, because it's promiscuous. In the same way fucking hookers is also weird, because you are using them for sex.
If an 18 year old girl accepts the purely sexual relationship, then she's a hoe. So again, weird.

You can keep fucking 18 year olds but accept that its weird, just don't expect societal standards for basic decency to change so you can feel like a good boy.

>>32393334
i know. i mean the average looking normies who have gfs

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Getting a girlfriend is impossible unless you're at least 6'3 ottermaxxed or skellymaxxed. Anything else in this thread is pure copium.

>>32394076
>Yes, it is true that there's no way you have anything in common with them and that you probably can't hold an actual conversation.

I think this in a cop-out excuse. Who's to say we can't have actual conversations? As someone who gets complimented regularly by women who say I'm a great conversationalist, I fail to see how people can't at least find a common ground to talk about something. You never see people saying or complaining that you can't have a conversation with a woman that's 12 years older.

I've never actually had sex with an 18 year old, only a few 19 year olds (if that makes a difference). I never struggled to hold a conversation with them. And to be honest, a lot of them love asking me for advice, so it allows me to yap about whatever life advice they could be asking me about. I typically treat the same as an older lady aka just a normal girl, regardless of age. All you really need to do is ask them open-ended questions and they will go on yapping as well.

I think if you can't find a way to create topics with a younger person, that is a YOU problem.

>If an 18 year old girl accepts the purely sexual relationship, then she's a hoe. So again, weird.
Does this also mean the 42 year old girl I'm sleeping with that accepts a purely sexual relationship is also a hoe? Or is it "different" because they are more "mature"? If there's one thing I know for a fact is that age does not equal maturity. There have been plenty of older women that are immature AF and plenty of younger women that are quite mature.

>>32394113
I have a girlfriend and I'm 5'10 with shoes on.
Your move, creepshot anon.

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For thousands of years, the patriarchy in it's art has depicted women as mothers, maidens and loving beings. Virtuous and doting, soft and matronly.... but it was all a lie.
Then women got their emancipation and we get the art they create now, which is pornography. Their true nature is that of whores when a strong boot isn't on their neck. Hence why it's the worlds oldest profession.

Wifejack is just a modern iteration of men projecting false hope on to what women really are.

>>32394204
>I have a girlfriend and I'm 5'10 with shoes on.
Doesn't count when you pay for it.

>>32394161
>I think if you can't find a way to create topics with a younger person, that is a YOU problem.
LOL. You're trying to argue your way out of this. No you can't have a real conversation with an 18 yr old girl because she's immature. She barely left high school. She has no life experience.
Again, your issue is that you won't accept that its weird. If it being weird affects you so much maybe you should stop doing it and recover your own self respect.

>does this also mean the 42 year old girl I'm sleeping with that accepts a purely sexual relationship is also a hoe?
Yes. Anyone that accepts a purely sexual relationship is a hoe. That's the literal definition of whoring out isn't it? Having sex purely for pleasure without developing a healthy emotional bond with the other person.

>>32394288
Also, some dudes mistake sexual experience for maturity. "Well she had sex with other dudes so she must be mature!". That's not how it works.

>>32394275
I paid for it? I said that when now?
What does that even mean? Do you think hookers count as girlfriends or something, mister "non-paid virgin"?

>>32394339
Beta-bux.

>>32394354
Same question: when did I say was beta-bux? I don't even have money you fucking retard.
That's something YOU made up as part of your coping, seething, mentally ill worldview.

>>32394389

jfl cope

>I don't even have money! my dad just loaned me a few thousand bucks to start a business but I'm on my own!

she's definitely not in it for the money

>>32394400
>my dad just loaned me a few thousand bucks
When did this happen and why am I just hearing about it now? Thanks Dad!

>>32394405
If you're under 6'3 then there is always an ulterior motive for a reason dating you. It's not your personality bub lmao

I was in a line to pay fines after court and there was this girl a few spots up who I really wanted to fuck or at least talk to but I was like 3 people behind her. So how could I have done anything with her? I cant just skip the line to get her number. Is there nothing to do in that situation? She left before me and I didnt see her in the parking lot

>>32394459
Anon if I get women and you don't, you don't get to tell me how it AKSHUALLY works.

>>32394573

so you think incels can't know anything about women because we can't get dates?

logic doesn't matter?

observations of our environment don't matter?

>>32394620
No, they unironically don't in your case.
Your entire worldview is filtered through a lens of seethe and cope. Furthermore, you haven't actually observed me but you're presuming to tell me you know my own life and dating history better than I do.
If you really understood anything about how any of this works, you would have been able to use that knowledge to actually find some success yourself, whether you were under le magic height number of 6'3 or not.

>>32394646

what if i could show you proof or a valid argument that I'm right? would you reconsider? or would you reject the truth because the person showing it has "no experience"?

>>32394459
>>32394620
>>32394655
Leave the internet for a month and go outside. This will likely cure you.

>>32394669
Going outside only fans the flames.

>>32394680
When's the last time you went outside and what did you do? Did you dress up?

>>32394655
>what if i could show you proof or a valid argument that I'm right? would you reconsider?
Go right ahead anon. Let's see what you got.
This should be good.

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>>32394793
oh it is

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>>32394797
>>32394800
>>32394803
So what are these "proving" exactly?

>>32394803
i WILL NOT SEND ANY EMOJIS OR REACTIONPICS. WTF IS THAT TODDLERSHIT???

>go exclusive with a girl for the first time, but not 100% officially dating, whatever that means
>can't stop thinking about dating/talking to other women
Wtf is wrong with me, how do I get out of this mindset, I have a nice girl I'm dating and don't want to fuck it up but it's like I'm already anticipating it ending, or I'm scared I'll miss something better. Did I spend too much time sleeping around with hookups and fwbs and watching porn that its killed my ability to stay with 1 person?

>>32394826
maleminded. just be quite and it'll be allright. if it overtakes you, you know what to do

>>32394808
how much personality matters

and i have more

i personally infiltrated a telegram group of women sharing their tinder experiences. i found that they can spend hours swiping left on tinder because "there's no one they like", and they were competing for the attention of the few guys they matched and frustrated that they wouldn't respond

did you ever hear guys complaining about how girls on tinder take a lot to respond or don't seem invested in the conversation? one of the women in this group matched with what seemed like an average male to me. her and the entire group laughed at how ugly he was. she would respond to him every now and then because the chads didn't respond to her and it was something, but was not interested and i think ended up unmatching or maybe settling idk. i dont remember. i left the group. the blackpill was too brutal. there were even audios from single moms talking about getting railed by a bunch of chads while a baby cried in the background. and talking about taking it out on avg desperate guys when chad didn't respond.

>>32394850
reminder. this story took place in the wonderfull world of the www. so don't overreact. you don't see me scream nigger everywhere.
*ahem Nigger!

how do I talk to 18+ year olds without being seen as a pedophile ? I’m too old to go back to college and I have nothing at all in common with women my age. I also find them to look repulsive and the racemixing makes me limp.

>>32394808
>>32394803
Yeah basically can’t get a young white female unless you are black it’s hell being a white male.

>>32394850
First looks don't matter, then personality doesn't matter, which is it?
They both matter, and you fail in both categories. Sucks to suck I guess.

>>32395036

when did i say looks don't matter lmao. they are all that matters

>>32373000
how do i get a woman if i:
>dont actively seek one
>spend most of my time alone by my own preference (but also dont have any immediate social settings i could be in due to spending so much time alone)
>make average pay (so pretty broke unless she also made similar pay to me, then wed be middle class)
>am pretty decent looking (i know this is 4chan but i actually just came here from the main page because this thread was on there. but really i do look decent and women have no problem approaching me when im in public but none of those are situations that would go anywhere and i usually am just at a store or something and want to go home and tinker with shit)
solve this one nerds

>>32395038
Then why did you say here >>32394275 and here >>32394354 that I'm beta bux? I'm good looking you fucking retard, seethe about it.
And no one ever, EVER said that looks won't help you with women. Incels spend all their time and mental energy (infinite of the former, not too much to work with on the latter) trying to deconstruct an argument that no one ever actually made.
Since we agree you're an ugly fuck the point is you could at least try to make up for it by having a better personality, something you clearly refuse to do.

>>32395104
because you are 5'10"

no one says looks don't help but when you say that incels are wrong, you are saying that it's our fault we are alone. that we could get a gf if we had a better personality but we are insufferable. and that is the same as saying that personality has any weight on whether a woman is interested on a man or not. chadfish with the worst possible personality proves that wrong. it's 100% about looks

>>32395112
>brainlet tier post
You ARE insufferable and DO have a rotten personality, and it's proudly on display right here in this very thread.

>>32395112
Here's a thought exercise for you and all other incels infesting this thread. Let's say we have two guys roughly equal in looks. Doesn't matter if they're both ugly, both models, or both anything in between. The point is they're about the same rating on the 1-10 scale.
Now let's say one of them is a fun, cool, confident guy. And the other one is an insufferable, boring, annoying, whiny asshole.
They both like the same girl.
Which one does she pick?
Don't think too hard about this one guys.

she picks the one with more money

>>32395140
There's a lot of insufferable, boring, annoying, whiny assholes with gfs btw.

>>32395144
And there's a lot of ugly guys with gfs too. And short guys. And broke guys. What's your point?
Also, they may be assholes to YOU but their girl obviously sees them differently.

>>32395143
They have the same amount of money also.
Keep trying lil guy.

>>32395155
oof goalposts moved you hate to see it
you know i was right, cant change it after the fact
its you who needs to keep trying

>>32395152
>Also, they may be assholes to YOU but their girl obviously sees them differently.
Not necessarily. You'll find forums and social media full of women complaining about their bfs. But yeah, like you said they clearly found them attractive for a reason. Most likely looks.

>>32395156
>oof goalposts moved you hate to see it
When did I move goalposts? I never said they didn't have the same amount of money did I?
THE WHOLE POINT is to isolate ONE variable, in this case personality, the one you conveniently claim doesn't matter.

>>32395160
If it was most likely looks, all that proves is that YOU can't afford to be that much of an asshole even if they can.

>>32395166
>If it was most likely looks, all that proves is that YOU can't afford to be that much of an asshole even if they can.
Why bother trying to attract women who won't be physically attracted to you?

>>32394288
>no life experience

Can’t speak for others but I and most of my classmates were far more mature and experienced with life right out of school than most sheltered older people so this is total nonsense. And this site in particular seems to hold a LOT of sheltered older guys.

>>32394850
Yes, yes and then everybody clapped.

>>32395206
Well then your ugly ass isn't getting any women at all, cry about it.

>>32395220
Concession accepted.

>>32395224
>Haha, I'm ugly as fuck! Jokes on you!
Weird flex but ok anon.

>>32395228
You're the one preaching how women don't care about looks. You shot down your own argument.

>responding to the troll

FOR THE UMPTEENTH FUCKING TIME, STOP FEEDING THAT FAGGOT WITH ATTENTION, IGNORE HIS LAME STUPID RANTS

>>32395238
>You're the one preaching how women don't care about looks.
Literally no one ever said that.
>>32395243
Oh, stop being a faggot with this "turn the other cheek" shit. Has that ever worked? Have these faggot incels EVER stopped posting in these threads?
There's really nothing else to talk about anyway, who else but incels are going to be having THIS much trouble and always looking online for advice? Women really aren't that hard to figure out once you've been around the block a few times.

>>32395257
>Literally no one ever said that.
Then the incels were right.

>>32395277
No, incels think the ONLY thing women care about is looks. Which is wrong. Try to keep up.

Approached women in a club for the first time in my life the other day
Went with 2 friends, got drunk, approached 3 women. All rejected me; first one pretty harsh, second one wasn't that bad, third one don't remember
Woke up with a bad hangover but I didn't feel bad about the rejections. Didn't feel good neither, just apathetic. I've been reading this shit since about 17 and I never had the guts to actually go out and approach until now at 21 - since I'm at a point that I mentally can't handle not having a girl in my life
All this anxiety I've had about approaching - only to finally go through with it and just feel nothing.
I've even come to a good conclusion after reflecting a bit - my approach was utter dogshit, fairly autistic and I went in with no other motive than to just do it and get it over with. Had I picked better targets, that is to say, women that seemed to want to be approached, and had my approach been better, I might have actually had some results.
Though, today I met with a friend from that night. He broke my balls and told my about his dating success. Felt like a massive kick in the balls and I've been discouraged this entire day. Considering stopping hanging out with him, don't want to be around people who make me feel like I ain't shit. On the other hand, if I do that I'll have no one to go out with

>>32395314
>since I'm at a point that I mentally can't handle not having a girl in my life
If you do get one, this mindset will ruin it instantly. Fix yourself retard.
>picked better targets
No such thing when you're learning. You need as much data as possible. Approach everyone, not just women you're attracted to. Old, young, male, female, hot or not, fat or skinny. Then you'll be better at talking to random normies and it'll make women less intimidating. Are you scared of talking to an old lady at the grocery store, or a 2/10? No. Why? Because you don't find them attractive, but they're still women all the same. If you can make them laugh, you can make hot women laugh.

>>32395285
The incels won the argument. Don't try to backtrack now.

>>32395140
>Now let's say one of them is a fun, cool, confident guy. And the other one is an insufferable, boring, annoying, whiny asshole.
>They both like the same girl.
>Which one does she pick?
She picks me lol

>>32395036
Looks matter, gotta be hot
Personality matters, gotta be assertive and secure

>>32395228

you don't understand. you expect the "you're ugly" argument to work, but it doesn't on incels. both because we're not as stupid as the general population, who consistently lies to their friends and on the internet about their success with women, and because the whole point is that we're saying that being ugly disqualifies you from dating and personality doesnt mean shit

>Weird flex but ok anon.
i am saving up to surgerymaxx and will be a chad with a great "personality". do you like that flex better?

maybe after the surgery i should coach you on how to be funny and impress women

I met this girl on a dating app 2 months ago. we went on a few dates and i didnt feel any connection and we drifted a bit. We never kissed, or held hands, the most we did was hug when we would go home at the end of the night. we would still text occasionally, but it was always platonic. we havent hung out in over a month, and today she tells me shes free next monday if i wanted to hang out. Should i meet up with her and tell her that I dont think we have any romantic connection in person? Maybe she already thinks of me as a friend which I'd be okay with. She texts me more than i text her though, like if i dont respond for a few hours she will send me more texts
im not good at rejections, usually we just both lose interest in each other without someone having to say "i dont like you"

>>32395219
>Yes, yes and then everybody clapped.

i could say the same about all the "chads" in here telling people how it is and pretending they get laid so much

>>32395460
Personality doesn't exist in a static tinder profile

>>32395496
Two ugly people had to fuck to make you, which disproves your point (idk, I didn't read this thread and am butting in to be a dick to you in particular because I do not like your attitude)

>>32395496
>i am saving up to surgerymaxx and will be a chad with a great "personality". do you like that flex better?
Your personality will still suck though, apparently it is you who does not understand.

>>32395555
>wasted quads
There is more to dating than tinder anon, try leaving the house some time.

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>>32395584

ouch! that hurt! why did you have to be like that? well, i guess if you don't like my attitude then i had it coming

no it doesn't disprove shit. my parents are not even ugly.

>>32395627

like this chadfish's?

>>32395647
You're so far gone you don't realize that this is NOT what we mean by a shit personality.

>>32395584
Goodlooking people can have ugly kids.

What’s the best way to approach and escape the talking stage with someone you’ve already dated?

I dated this girl for about two months, never became official but we had a lot of long dates, made out, fucked, etc. basically like a couple. I haven’t seen her or talked much for about two months since breaking it off. Ended on good terms, it just fizzled out mutually because I think we both went too fast (we're both relatively inexperienced). We both are still single and haven’t seen anyone since so I figured fuck it, I hit her up and we’ve been texting again. She seems pretty receptive but it’s all casual talk right now like we’re at square one again which is expected. What’s some good things to keep in mind here in terms of pace/when to actually ask her to meet up again?

>>32373000
Got her number, shes pretty funny, might be a BPD but might also be autistic and have some other issues.
How do i get to know her better now that ii can message her but due to me being at my finals and her working until very late without coming as instrussive?
Should i just keep doing what i've been doing that has led me to get her phone and for ther to be comfortable in my presence for a person like her that is quite hermetic?

>>32396110
"hey do you wanna hang out after finals"

What class do you guys know each other from? How is SHE the hermit? this must be eng or math or some shit.

>>32396155
>How is SHE the hermit?
She's working till late at my brother's business, i used to frequent the place before finals and before my city came under violence due to organized crime that essentially placed martial and curfew so i cant go there because we live quite aways from there.
My degree has little to no women in my classes and the little there aren't what that compatible with me.

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twice now while talking to a girl she'll claim she's a "good girl". it's always said in a flirtatious way, and my intuition tells me she's flirting, but I never know what I'm supposed to say back.
what is the proper response? would it be weird to escalate from that simple comment? it doesn't seem like an innocuous thing to say, it's at least mildly sexual.

>>32396332
Depends on the context but some general answers could be stuff along the lines of
>we'll see about that
>prove it
>if you aren't, I'll teach you
Just something that challenges her or calls her out, it doesn't even have to be really sexual

>>32396332
>would it be weird to escalate from that simple comment?
Also, it's not a simple comment and is already sexual, you even pointed that out. She wants you to find her attractive, sexy, and desirable, and show it. Remember women love attention, if you don't give it to her, she will lose interest eventually so flirt next time she brings it up, or, beat her to it by asking her to do something simple and calling her a good girl when she complies. If you give her too much attention, she also loses interest, it's a balancing act. The more she likes you the more chances to mess up you get, so blowing it twice is a good sign, but it won't last forever anon, get to flirting.

never,
no,
nein,
get a clue, no
nay!

would I be right to self reject in this case?

Basically been a shut in for most of my twenties

no real money in my late twenties (a few jobs but nothing crazy)

live with parents , am a caregiver for them and a special needs sibling

has a mild stutter (usually for certain letters)

even if I got onto a date , even if she finds it all cute - whats waiting for her? a small penis to boot.

and all this for a 5 7 middle eastern guy to boot so no "just be white" gains to be had either with some cross cultural drama thrown in.

I've recently started getting out of this hole by dressing well, and working on my communication skills and I get some really curious girls now but I never take it anywhere because I explicitly know my situation and how dire it is - ladies if you knew the full picture as I wrote out here , would you agree "yeah you're probably right to reject advances" or not? if not , why?

>>32396382
>>32396398
sorry I should've been clearer, when I said "twice" I meant two separate girls. one was at a bar and another was a coworker.
both times, since I didn't have any kind of line ready I just went with "playful incredulity" which I guess kinda worked, didn't kill the mood at least. but I'm wondering if this is always a flirty/sexual thing. I can't really think of a situation where a girl would insist that she's a "good girl" platonically.

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>>32396155
>How is SHE the hermit
Ah just realised.
Just realized the word doesn't have the same meaning in english.
She's really professional for someone my age (21) but i can see her peeking at whenever me and other person are having chitchat in front of her even more so if it's something that interests her, i find it quite endearing, like a cat.
She's the type of introvert that opens up with her themes of conversation and is the type that had unrestricted internet access from a young age so she's seen messed up stuff.
(PSYCHO COMMENT) Found her insta way before getting her number and the stuff she posts in her stories are about vampires, metal heads, gory subjects (reels from coroners) and other emo adjacent stuff.
If you need any other bit of info you tell me.

So, when you know you're taking to most likely a fatfisher, how do you get out of the situation, but at the same time, you want someone to suck you off?

>has nothing but face pics
>no body angles
>tits slightly look like a fatty's tits

I want to meet up with her but if she's too fat for me to find attractive, how do I dip out of the situation? She says she goes to the gym but judging by her face, I can see she needs to loose a bit more for me to be really satisfied.

>>32397532
Just ask her to blow you

>>32395538
So you’re admitting that you’re making shit up. Gotcha.

>>32373892
Are you checking in with 2 people? If not then one is fine. Its only when you do check in and check out it matters how many people are staying.

>>32395068
Only 1% of the world population are white females under 25
>don’t seek them

30 years old with no dating experience. How fucked am I?

>>32382968
>>32382977
You need to elaborate. Do you use an anonymous account or do you actually put your face one the profile?

>find out girl I met at party thinks I'm cute
>text her, start talking
>enter the weird phase of conversation where I just ask shit about her life and it feels like an interview

how do I get over this?

>>32397581
no

this actually happened. i give you my word that i didnt even exaggerate anything.

what im saying is that you are saying it didnt happen because it doesn't sound credible to you. which i don't blame you, because to me, the blackpill was so brutal i just left the group and didn't even save any audios or pics.

it makes sense to question things. but then, when i consistently see that only chads get matches on tinder and take women home from bars, but on 4chan everyone claims to do that, shouldn't i assume most of them are lying?

>>32395700
oh being straight up rude to her face is not a shit personality? then what is? having a weak jawline?

>>32398149

bro you missed a key move. you had to bring up logistics within the first 5 messages and make the conversation sexual within the first 7. plus you probably failed a bunch of shit tests at this point. now you have to really go hard and make sure to set up a date this week. if she says not it's a shit test, don't fall for it. that's the only way to make a comeback.

just kidding she's not fucking interested what do you mean get over this?

>>32395915
Just ask her out again.

>>32395526
>Should i meet up with her and tell her that I dont think we have any romantic connection in person?
No tell her before you hang out to make sure you're on the same page.

>>32397987
As a 31 year old who's had my first normal sequence of successful dates with a girl for a few weeks now, I'd say you are not fucked at all. Your lack of experience will only be an issue if you make it an issue. For example, the girl I'm dating doesn't care. I just told her "I never liked chasing women" and that was that.

You pick up on how things works fast. Flirting, courtship, sex, etc, aren't really that complicated and decent girls are more accepting of "quirks" and "flaws" than you might think.

Just don't give her the vibe that you'll be the guy who's gonna obsess over her and stalk her if things don't work out. And don't give her boyfriend energy. Focus on having fun.

>>32398149
Ask her on a date and leave the chit chat for when you see her in person.

What's better? Dating apps with an optimal profile and all the paid features or cold approaching at bars, clubs, concerts, and festivals?

>>32398796

a good jawline

cold approaching is cringe and dating apps are for chumps if you are sub8/10

>>32398813
I don't have a good jawline, but I can grow facial hair pretty well. What do you suggest then for someone that's a 5-7.5/10? I'm also well off but idk if its worth wearing Rolexes or showing off like that to compensate

>>32398839

7.5 my ass lol

i recommend to beard fraud. it is what i'm doing because i have an incredibly recessed chin. when the hair is long enough for make up for the volume, i will go to the best barber i can find and straight up ask him to make it look like i have a prominent chin

if your jawline is not good i recommend you do the same. just let it grow for a while then fraud with it. preferably get it done by the best professional you can find bc why not. it's literally your face. it determines everything about how people perceive you and by extension your social interactions and relationships, and therefore your happiness in life.

idk about rolexes i guess it depends on what you're looking for. definitely dress well and come across like you're not some NEET. but straight up showing off you're rich is not going to make anyone more attracted to you, only to bait women who want the money and are willing to be with you for it. not the same. but even that may be better than nothing idk.

>>32398876
so then how do you meet women?

>>32398599
It's not rude if she's into it, which she obviously was you retard. If she likes you, "rude" is seen as fun, confident, and sexual.

>>32399004

ok at this point it's clear you are just a typical redditor pretending to be a normie

>>32398935

definitely not on dating apps or by cold approaching

just ask any normie how he met his gf, its usually through friends

>>32399021
My friends all want young white women without tattoos and piercings.

>>32399171

so what

>>32399230
So how would they help me if they are trying to fuck

>gave girl so we can hang out
>text me to say she is busy
>proceeds to be busy for entire month to get coffee
>take as sign she is not interested
>move on, no more communication
>on thanksgiving she was being friendly and sends message
>i was cordial, says thanks you too
>asked if she has any plans
>"Depends"
>was not my intention to ask her out
so what does she want?

>>32399311
i mean just ask how any guys, not necessarily your friends, who are sub8, met their gfs. it's usually through friends, that's what i mean. standards seem to be lower that way.

>>32394288
>No you can't have a real conversation with an 18 yr old girl because she's immature. She barely left high school. She has no life experience.
I get what people mean when they say that, but this isn't true at all. If you are 30 years old, who only passtime is browsing 4chan then I'm 100% sure that the average 18 years old girl have more life experience than you

What would you guys say is the absolute fastest way to get a gf? Like, leaving my house for 30 minutes and getting a gf out of it type of fast. Ignoring statistics about potential rejections, let's say I don't even get to talk with girls that might reject me because of sheer luck or conversations with those take 1 second. What actions can I perform that would trigger such scenario that fast? I'm willing to take any advice, from where I should be to what I should say. I'm tired of wandering around aimlessly for hours and getting nothing out of it.

>>32399520

serious answer: having a sharp jawline

other than that, it's a delusion and incredibly unlikely. cold approach is just cringe.

>>32399440
she wanted to fuck because she was prob drinking or feeling lonely if a woman wants you she'll make time for you. Just move on you're wasting your time

>>32399021
>>32399546
None of my friends have friends who are hot. How does one make friends who have access to hot women? Seems paying for sex or cold approaching is my only option.

>>32399546
What's the alternative for normally shaped jawliners then? How and or why do we reproduce that frequently?

>>32399587
>>32399574

like i was saying. it's rough out there if you are sub8

women are brutal selectors and have an elitist attitude towards men. they dont think most are good enough

sub8 men struggle with women, and, whatever they may tell you, get no tinder matches and can't take girls home from bars. this is self evident to anyone who just goes to a bar and pays attention to what other people are doing, or does tinder experiments, but for some reason they keep lying lol

however, sub8 men can be seen with gfs very often, and not necessarily betabuxing. this is also a fact. my theory that explains, which I've discussed with other incels as well, it is that standards are lower if you take your time and focus on social circles. that's it. there is no way to get a gf "as quickly as possible" or any action that gets you one on the spot. it is a grind if you are sub8 and you need to be very social.

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>It's another people want sex, relationship and breakup stories episode
At it's core this is a compliment because it means people think I have experience, but I've never had a gf and I'm a virgin, it's fucking exhausting having to dodge questions, lie and frame stories about me and a female friend hanging out as a gf thing instead.

Fuck

>>32399630
That makes it even more obtuse. How am I supposed to expand a non-existent social circle? Where should I even start? I also don't want to meet completely random people for the sake of meeting women, if anything I'd do it for the sake of meeting them, if they have something that could connect them to me. What can be done?

>>32399630
I get gfs often, but I'm not that into the girls is the problem. Like, they're either average looking, or they used to be hot but they're older like late 20s/early 30s, or if I'm lucky I find someone young and hot but they're usually extreme sluts with daddy issues who will move to the next guy they see and ghost me. Basically, the juice isn't really worth the squeeze.

I almost have 7 figures saved and thinking high-end escorts or sugar babies in college might be my best option.

Of course will just keep building up my net worth, maybe to 8 figures so hopefully that's enough to help me compensate for looking average while wanting 8/10+ chicks to date/fuck.

>>32399680
idk but it is what it is

>>32399729

"i get laid a lot and im rich bro, its just that the girls are not good enough"

literally no one believes this larp

you know very well that you are exaggerating your story

>>32399767
>idk but it is what it is
I mean, there has to be something to it. What is the 'grind' about? You talk about it like it's a thing, it makes no sense to not know what is it.

>>32399787

by the grind i mean socializing a lot before you get a gf. first off. because at least to me, having a hard as fuck childhood and teen years, i normies pics on social media, and i think, DAMN, how tf do they have so many friends? they have all these friends groups, people they spend time with, very close friends, a bunch of plans and trips... so first off all that exposure is, i think, what makes it more likely that those men get a relationship despite being sub8s. ovER if you are not like that. because a sub8 definitely can't get a gf on tinder or by fucking PUA cold approach cringe JFL. chads on the other hand, even have girls hit on them when they just go get groceries. they literally don't have to try.

also, jestermaxxing, competing for her attention, trying hard to improve yourself and be remarkably well calibrated, etc

>>32399814
>also, jestermaxxing, competing for her attention, trying hard to improve yourself and be remarkably well calibrated, etc
Okay, that might be too far, but I get your point. I figured I should socialize more I just have no idea where can I meet people in general. It doesn't help that most people where I live are just turbo-normies and stoners with not much going on in their lives. Seems like it's not even worth the effort these days.

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>>32399767
I do get laid but just average chicks at best, which I rather not even bother with. I don't think I'm rich but hopefully will be within a decade. I'm just saying it seems money is the only way to compensate or really wasting a lot of time trying to be some fake plastic person trying to fit in for a chance at some pussy

>>32373000
Should i just wait until she responds??

>>32399886
>I do get laid but just average chicks at best
oh of course. who doesn't right? you just have to go to a bar and go for it!

>>32400337
Honestly rather stick to porn or high end escorts if I can't get young hot chicks. The juice isn't worth the squeeze as a sub-8 male

>>32400351

porn is retarded just escortcel tb h

>>32400370
Wish they weren't so expensive where I live. A few times a year I'll go sex tourism for a few weeks where it's pretty low cost though, but that's like thousands in plane tickets + hotels

>>32400389
mega based where do you go

>>32400391
Germany has the most variety in one spot from what I've seen

>>32400409
high IQ

if i escorcelled i would go to central america too

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>>32373000 picture reads left to right.
>be me 20yo at friends house.
>friends sister has friend over
>10yo autistic girl who really takes a liking to me and my jokes.
>lets call her cindy
>over the years added and talked to me on insta.
>cuz they were young i never tried anything, even when they offered to meet up at their family pool when they were probably 14ish
>3 years ago i unfriend everyone. her, my friends sister, even my long time friend. end of an era as mentioned in the DMs.
>last month ex friends sisters friend cindy, friend requests me out of the blue.
>shes 18+, really cute now, friendless and in a new state. same one i live in. and just a few towns over.
>pic related ensues.
>near the end got frustrated that she dodged me one weekend and was playing dumb the second time i asked.

not depicted. a week after that last post, i sent her this. "Hey cindy thanks for checking in after all those years. Good luck with your sorority. I'm gonna go focus on other stuff."
then unfollowed and removed her as follower of me. i didnt block her. my account is public.

iv always liked this girl cuz she would remember my jokes and stuck around all those years.
now that shes 18 and in college. and from her sorority picture, still a loser. i thought i could get some easy sex and probably a long term relationship.
just prior i had listened to the whole black phillip podcast and was itching to use the advise.

theres a few minor fuckups. im autistic myself most likely. i was might have been put in her friendzone 5 years ago since i couldve done something and didnt. but they were underage what could i do.
but i figured since she didnt make a stink about the date, drinking and fucking comment that she was interested.

i really want to know why she backed off. if and what might have ruined it, and if there is anything i can do to salvage this.