>Talking to a therapist, she asks me about my sexual history>Tell her I'm a virgin still at 28>"Oh, so you're asexual?">"No, I'm not, I want to have sex I just haven't.">"What do you mean?">"What do you mean what do I mean?">"You can't tell me you've honestly been trying this long and are still a virgin?"I didn't know what to fucking say to that and she changed the subject. Therapy is fucking useless.
>>33913530Lmao. They really are clueless huh.
>>33913530Get a new therapist, useless judgemental bitch
>>33913583This. Leave a negative review for others to see too.
>>33913530Therapy is not an exact science. From what I can tell, some are great and others are bad and it can depend a lot on compatibility. Also, check to see what qualifications the therapist has before you see them.
>"Oh, so you're asexual?"This alone tells me all I need to know about her.I'm NGL therapy for men is lowkey useless because it's a female-centric profession. Built by and for women. They don't understand male problems and don't try to empathize either. They try to fit male problems into their female worldview. Just like OP's therapist>oh you're a virgin at 28?>obviously you must be asexual because the only women who are virgins at that age are either religious or asexualIt does not even compute in their tiny brains that the game is completely different for men. All their life they've had things handed to them on a silver platter so they don't get what it's like to have to earn your stripes.
>>33913530Firstly, I don't believe that she said this in accusatory tone you're implying. Secondly, have you really thought about the question? Have you really asked yourself if you've been honestly, genuinely trying? Do you feel like you've done everything you could and everything you wanted to do in order to attract a partner? Are you upset because you think she intentionally insulted you or are you upset because the basis of the question caused you to contemplate something that was extremely painful? All I know is that if you leave therapy feeling great then you aren't doing it right. Therapy is supposed to suck. Its supposed to dig up shit that makes you angry and hurt and vulnerable. There are times when you're done with therapy and you absolutely resent your therapist for challenging you with certain things. That's the whole point of the process. I dunno. Just my thoughts.
>>33913858>I accidentally spilled hot water on myself today>Oh, so you're mentally handicapped?Implying only group x can possibly wind up in situation y.I'd imagine a real therapist would ask first with an open mind what OP thinks the problem is.
>>33913858Naw, therapist sounds privileged and tone deaf
>>33913530Sue the company for sexual harassment. Make millions. Now the pussy will line up for (YOU)
>>33913868>I'd imagine a real therapist would ask first with an open mind what OP thinks the problem is.I'd imagine that you nor I really know anything about being a trained therapist or what the context of the conversation was beyond OP's reporting. People usually come here to have their preconceived biases and conclusions reinforced by delivering things in a way that is most favorable to them. When something sounds too one sided to make sense it usually is. Becoming a therapist is grueling work and requires an immense amount of training, supervision and education. The likelihood that she's just awful at her job and attacking OP's status as a virgin with zero awareness and that OP is a reliable, objective reporter about his own emotional state seems like one of those one sided things I was talking about. >>33913871>Naw, therapist sounds privileged and tone deafI just ask myself what is more likely - that the therapist who trained for 8 years in college plus 2000-3000 clinic hours to earn 60k a year is privileged and tone deaf and has genuine disdain for her clients OR the original poster, a man who is in therapy, was confronted with a difficult question about a painful topic for him and turned his resentment on his therapist. The second is infinitely more likely. The second is so much more likely that it makes sense why he would come here, a scandinavian hackey sack forum, for a bunch of autistic KHVs to tell him his therapist was mean and he's right and he's the victim again, like he always is.
>>33913530>Therapy is fucking useless.lmao wtf is wrong with this boardyou never see someone have an experience with a shitty cardiologist and go "no one really knows anything about the heart if you think about it"
>>33913827>It does not even compute in their tiny brains that the game is completely different for men. All their life they've had things handed to them on a silver platter so they don't get what it's like to have to earn your stripes.Nicely out, anon. Screencapped.
>>33913858>>33913906 Are you a woman?
>>33913530because you are the equivalent of a fat guy that eats 4000 calories every day, does 0 exercise, then goes around crying about how he isn't losing any weight when the solution is very simpleif you want to have sex, then have sex. you can pay. it's very simple. obviously you don't want to have sex otherwise you would do what's necessary to get it, but you don't because there's something else going on in your brain that you're not telling us and maybe you're not even aware of it.
>>33914111Women only care about looks
>>33914116not if they are prostitutes.
>>33913906having a degree doesn't guarentee that someone is competent. have you really never met or heard of an incompetent professional? the possibility that his therapist is that incompetent is not as unlikely as you're trying to make it seem.you hear about people having to move from one therapist to another until they find one that "fits" them because the methods they employ are based on research with low standards of rigor and only superficial adherence to the scientific method, so therapy ends up being more dependent on the therapist's personal style rather than hard scientific facts, and that also means that a lot of therapists really are just straight up useless.>>33913979we know a whole lot more about the heart than we know about the brain, and because of that bad cardiologists are nowhere near as common as bad therapists.back when people didn't know much about the human body, if you were sick, a doctor might've stuck a couple leeches on you to draw out the "bad blood" and maybe tell you to pray to god. this is more or less where psychology is today.we're in the middle of a mental health epidemic, and psychologists don't seem to be doing much about it.one day neurobiologists will achieve scientifically what psychologists are pretending to have achieved unscientifically. but that day is still far away.
>>33913530>>Talking to a therapist, she asks me about my sexual historyWhy the fuck would this ever come up? I smell a rat.
>>33914127>you hear about people having to move from one therapist to another until they find one that "fits" them because the methods they employ are based on research with low standards of rigorIronically, that advice is based on thorough studies which proved that the primary indicator for therapeutic success is the fit bewteen therapist and patient.In OPs case, this is not the issue. The question whether OP has tried getting with women is a totally obvious one, as it contributes to finding the origin of the problem.After all, less than 5% of men are vigrins at 28, making thi shighly unusual to say the least.And lets just say, the average incel on this board will shit out whole text walls of cope before ever admitting to not ahving left his basement in years and never having asked out a woman. After all, ist all about blameshifting and avoiding responsibility for ones life. Its pretty telling that you can ask incels on this site the same question (whether they have tried) and recieve the same angr ymeltdown in return that OP is throwing. Becuase nothign is more horrible to the incel than being reminded of his own responsibility.>we know a whole lot more about the heart than we know about the brainOP is seeking therapy, not neurosugery. Thankfully, the human psyche is quite well understood , other than the brain itself. >if you were sick, a doctor might've stuck a couple leeches on you to draw out the "bad blood"And as since leech saliva is strongly antibio9tic and antinflammatory, theres a good chance it would have helped.Medical leeches are still in use today for certain situations.And so on. >one day neurobiologists will achieve A neurobiologist won't invent a magical button that gives you Chad brain. Most incels don't have a problem with their Neurochemistry, but a bad upbringing coupled with a steadfast refusal to accept that their room doesn't contain a spawn point for hot chicks.
>>33914204Women only care about looks. I am not Chad, therefore I will never have sex.Whether or not I leave my basement or not will have no bearing on whether or not I am able to lose my virginity (it's impossible for non-chads).
>>33913858That's fair
>>33914212>Whether or not I leave my basement or not will have no bearing on whether or not I am able to lose my virginity (it's impossible for non-chads).And heres the cope, like clockwork. One day you will realize you lied to yourself just to be able to crack open the next Cheeto package instead of getting off your ass, and that will be a very very very bitter moment.Why not stop now instead of waiting until you're an old man?
>>33914224I go to the gym, I have a nice haircut, I have good clothing, my teeth are white, I have jaw fillers, I wear shoe lifts, none of it workedIt's over for me
>>33913530You hit the unlucky lottery.Find a new therapist.I once had a therapist tell me she couldn't see me because one session I told her I was TRYING to stop smoking weed and the next, I told her I seshed at a party.She then told me flat out "Well, I don't think I can see you anymore because you're not serious. You didn't follow with what you told me last time"Dumb bitch
>>33914231>none of it workedHow many women did you talk to?>I have jaw fillers, I wear shoe liftsYeah living according to internet memes makes it likely you're a fucking weirdo IRL. Which is far more noticeable than whatever height lifts give you. And unless you're agenuine manlet its laughable to wear those btw.
>>33913906I know about this. Therapists qualifications are highly suspect if they have them at all. Otherwise its just time spent in session and some chats with their mentor. There's nothing rigorous about it and I absolutely know therapists are are not only dumb as fuck but actively take the piss out of their patients and regard them as stupid cash cows.It ironic that you'd be telling people to reserve judgement only to then insult the people on the board according to your own preconceived biased view of them.Verdict: you're a dangerous spastic.
>>33913530She may have been trying to poke you into an insight into why you haven't been trying
>>33914231Have you considered developing a personality?
>>33913906>to earn 60k a year is privilegedThe privilege in question is not financial, it's social/sexual.
>>33914224You are a shining example of the just world fallacy.
Psychology degrees are 75% female and the entire field is feminized / woke. Women talk about their feelings and therapy is oriented to that.
>>33914204>Ironically, that advice is based on thorough studies which proved that the primary indicator for therapeutic success is the fit bewteen therapist and patient.and that is because psychology itself is unreliable and doesn't provide a therapist with effective tools to treat patients regardless of personal views. these studies are just a poor attempt to mask the flaw as a feature.>After all, less than 5% of men are vigrins at 28, making thi shighly unusual to say the least.1 in 20 is not insignificant enough for a trained professional to act so surprised and with such lack of tact. also, you have to consider the fact that this statistic includes mentally healthy men, if you only asked men who go to therapy, you'd likely get a much higher percentage of virgins. also, i imagine that a lot of men wouldn't want to admit it, and that a non insignifact portion of men who did lose their virginity likely did it by paying a prostitute.>After all, ist all about blameshifting and avoiding responsibility for ones life. Its pretty telling that you can ask incels on this site the same question (whether they have tried) and recieve the same angr ymeltdown in return that OP is throwing.for someone shilling so hard for therapists, your "just do it" mentality will likely not fit into their professional beliefs. people like that dont "just do it" because even though they've agonized over it so much, the suffer from mental illness that prevents them from just doing it.>OP is seeking therapy, not neurosugery.my reply had nothing to do with what op said. that anon tried to claim that the existance of bad therapists doesn't mean that therapy as a whole is useless by pointing out the fact that there are bad practitioners in other medical fields that are considered reliabe as well. he just didn't mention that it's much more common in the field of mental health, which makes the comparison completely invalid.
>>33914204>>33917223>Thankfully, the human psyche is quite well understood.this is just straight up wrong.>And as since leech saliva is strongly antibio9tic and antinflammatory, theres a good chance it would have helped.Medical leeches are still in use today for certain situations.it is undeniable that blood letting was a harmful practice. some nonsense excuse about leech saliva having antibacterial effects doesn't change that. also, alternative medicine is not real medicine, it's a scam.>A neurobiologist won't invent a magical button that gives you Chad brainno, but he will be able to treat the underlying causes of what leads many people to social isolation and a lack of success with the opposite sex, that is, depression and anxiety disorders.
>>33914111This.Just go to a whore.Actually go to three different whores over the space of a week or two. The reason for this is you could always have a bad experience with only one but three different sexual experiences will give you a well rounded view.
>>33914247Wow, it's like she's only there to watch the patient literally do all the work themselves.>Oh your not magically getting better anymore just talking to me?>BYE!
>>33913530Ask her to date you. If she says no, then you have proven your point. But therapy has always been a meme as other anons said above.
>>33914129This is a perfectly normal question. The only tone-deaf thing is accusing OP of being asexual unless its early into therapy
Bait thread.
>>33913530Your me but I'm 27. I would tell her that I'm introverted and social interaction was literally traumatic for me.
>>33913530>Talking to a therapist, she asks me about my sexual history>sheAnon...I...Seriously Anon, The Rapy is 95% of the time a money grift.When I was in college, and still had an interest in psychology to help people, there were only 2 other guys I'd met who were taking psych classes.The majority of them were women who either wanted to "Fix" themselves, were looking for justification to blame their parents as to why they were so SUCK, or because it's low-effort pseudo-science that they can charge $100-200 for each 1 hour session.If you feel you HAVE to have someone to bounce your thoughts off of, either get a MALE psychologist, or find a free group meeting.Short of that, if you can, the best "Therapy" in the world is taking LONG walks,(2 hours minimum,) with no distractions and a will to think about the issue you are having.That said, there's nothing wrong with being a virgin. Sex isn't what it gets built up to be, and while it can be very good, many people after their first time say: "That's it? That's all?"Pair bonding and reproduction is really all it's good for, but because of biological imperative hardwiring, and all the bio-chems involved, and a morass of midwits who make it their identity, Sex gets built up to this mythical thing for those who haven't had it yet.>>33913583Yeah, DO this. and >>33913611>>33913822> A FEW are good, and MOST are bad.FIFYPsychotherapy really only exploded in the early 80s when it became a kind of status thing amongst Boomers(Yuppies) to humblebrag.Now, like every other profession that had merit at one time and paid well, it's FLOODED with hacks and incompetents.
>>33913530Bodied by that freak.
>>33919415No, it's not. *Relationship* history, maybe, depending on why OP even went to therapy. But sexual history? Absolutely not normal.
>>33919458>esotericist nonsensethe main problem with incels and therapy is that proper therapy forces you to confront and change your traits and habits that you do not want to admit to yourself.The human brain is innately wired to resist change and maintain the status qou unless said status qou is immediately life threatening.For example, OP was confronted with the fact that he only has himself to blame for his virginity on account of not even trying. I assume that, because it is statistically impossible to not get laid at least once when you consistently try for a decade unless you're legit deformed or some kind of rare specimen gigasperg. Hell, make that a year. So basically , incels advise other incels to avoid therapy alltogether or at least simply kvecth out at any therapist doing their job for being shit. Your post if a perfect example of the crabs in a bucket mentality infesting incel "communities" online, because god forbid someone actually ends his inceldom and painfully reminds everyone else that their basement dwelling is the main cause, and not Chads or Stacies or body height.
>>33913530>Therapy is fucking useless.Doesn't seem useless to me. In 3 questions she isolated the problem and showed you where the blockage is. A therapist isn't going to solve your problems for you, they are there to guide you to your own solution.
>>339205184chan autists hate therapy because by default they need to advocate against anything that might help them improve. If every avenue for improving is jewish/feminist brainwashing then they have the perfect excuse to remain losers.
>>33914204>studiesI guess that’s a good enough replacement for wisdom.
>>33920458>he only has himself to blame for his virginityno he doesn't bozo
>>33913530daily reminder the average woman is absolutely clueless about the challenges of dating as an average mannever, ever, take relationship / dating / flirting / datingApp advice from a woman. they simply can't fathom.learn from/observe men who have a successful dating life even though they're not financially/genetically gifted. they exist.
>>33922425This.This.This.And I should add, men who are not gifted and have been in multiple relationships before. Not someone who lucked into a relationship. That means they actually have a strategy at work.
>>33913530>>"You can't tell me you've honestly been trying this long and are still a virgin?"Based therapist, that would be my reaction as well.
>>33914116And yet there are plenty of ugly men with girlfriends and wives, many of them likelier ugly than you.It's time to find a new cope.
>>33923205Because they have money. Those women don't actually find them physically desirable for a second.
>>33914212>>33914231>>33914819These posts are almost too cliched to be real.Incels really, REALLY need to get some new material.
>>33923212Ok fine, then have money then. Let's for a moment live in this fantasy and pretend you're correct...there's still a roadmap out for you and you refuse to take it.
>>33923232Why would I want to be with a woman who doesn't find me physically desirable but is only around me because I have money?
>>33923237Do you want to have sex or do you want to be LE DESIRED like a fucking narcissist?Ask yourself what your real concern truly is, the sex or the validation, and be honest with yourself (since I don't expect you to be honest with me).
>>33923244I don't want to have sex with a woman who doesn't desire me. Why would I? I would rather just jack off to porn instead. I've been doing that my entire life already.And yes, I do indeed want validation more than sex. Obviously I want both, but if I just wanted sex I would go to a prostitute. I've never ever received any affection or interest from women in my entire life and I'm also an ostracized social reject freak. ALL of these problems are because of my attractiveness. I would pay literally anything to become a model and ALL of my problems would be fixed immediately.
>>33913530I have a hard time believing things transpired the way you're saying or suggesting but it's entirely possible she's just a bitch. This is why you should find a therapist that's your gender. Women should see women and men should see men. Things doesn't mean they are going to have experienced the same problems as you but they have an intrinsic understanding that you only get by being a man or woman. Therapists aren't a monolith, they focus on certain areas, specialize and like any profession have people that are good at what they do and those that are shit.Find someone else.
>>33923253>I would rather just jack off to porn instead. I've been doing that my entire life already.Well guess what, you can keep doing that then.>And yes, I do indeed want validation more than sexAt least now you're being honest. Feels good to go mask-off doesn't it?>ALL of these problems are because of my attractiveness.I seriously doubt that.>I would pay literally anything to become a model and ALL of my problems would be fixed immediately.Kek, no they wouldn't. First of all, this "good looks means your life is perfect" fantasy is just that, a fantasy. Second point, even if that were true on paper for other people it wouldn't apply to you. You're too far gone mentally already, and you seem to be just doubling down on it. Like a pig rolling around in mud and slop and enjoying it.
>>33923301And if you woke up with a model's face tomorrow, you'd be in for a rude awakening when you'd find that you STILL have to talk to women anyway and they don't just spawn into your bedroom.
>>33923223faggotsimpcel
>>33923253Do not reply to simpcels, they're either retarded, ignorant or arguing in bad faith.
>>33923309I wouldn't have a problem talking to women if I were attractive. In fact I would enjoy it. It would be a mutually enjoyable exchange.
>>33914111Obviously by 'having sex' OP means 'based on mutual attraction'. Very reasonable bar. The point isn't getting off, if that was all it was you'd be satisfied with masturbation.
>>33923423You could enjoy it now, but you choose not to.
>>33923244>You want to be attractive? Ewwwww!!!evil. you're really doing your best to crush that guy's spirit and make him think he's a horrible person for being a normal human being with human desires.
>>33923205>And yet there are plenty of ugly men with girlfriends and wives1. Those guys likely are not as ugly as you make them out to be.2. They are likely tall. Or they have some insane social skills or good money and social status somehow.
>>33923518>1. Those guys likely are not as ugly as you make them out to be.Oh good, something they have in common with OP and the other incels here there.I see ugly ass men with gfs, wives, and children all the time. If you don't also, I can only assume you never leave the house. One trip to my local Walmart should dispel the notion that only beautiful male models get laid.>Or they have some insane social skills or good money and social status somehow.So they made up for their bad looks with something else, in other words?Ok, great...so why can't OP also do that?
>>33913530Never go to therapy anons, the people shilling this shit are often "therapists" themselves, which are grifters. These parasites need to get a real job, starve them out.IGNORE THERAPY POSTERS AS THEY ARE MOSTLY THERAPISTS SHILLING THEIR GRIFT
>>33923600I don't know how this is going over your headSome men don't want to just be ATMs and have a woman with them who only like them because they have money or statusYou know how you see some girls and you instantly find them attractive? You get turned on just by seeing them. Maybe you don't like their personality or whatever but you still have a physical desire for themWhy is it bad to want that from women? Obviously women's attraction is not 1 to 1 like men but it's the same thing.
Please stop replying to morons like >33923600this nigger is just baiting for (you)s.
>>33923641but hes right tho
>>33923633>Why is it bad to want that from women?Because it's not going to happen, especially if you guys are as ugly as you like to pretend you are. You seem to want it both ways here. If you're really that hideous, then fine. Beggars can't be choosers.Also I never said you need to be walking ATM. I just said you need something, anything, to make up for the looks. It could just as easily be personality or status or even just being good to her. The fact you think OP (and yourself, presumably) are too good to have to do what 90% of men do says a lot about you, and none of it good.Basically you guys are just failed narcissists. It's bad enough when people who are actually extremely good looking expect to be treated like royalty and not have to work on anything else because of the way they look, but at least they have the looks to actually back it up. But it's still bad. But you guys? You want the VIP treatment without even having the looks. How is anyone else supposed to cheer on or defend that?
>>33923641>this nigger is just baiting for (you)s.Nigger the entire thread was created for that exact purpose. OP has no intention to engage, let alone improve.
>>33923692'failed narcissist' is such a lazy throw-away term.noticing that many of your peers who *do* have more success with women get approached in ways you don't, have the world open up to them in a way it doesn't for you, and becoming frustrated with not finding a mate is a normal reaction. and then there are all kinds of reasons why someone who is in that position might not take any of the steps that you have suggested. for the self-improvement stuff, depression and learned helplessness, for going out and being more social, that's a near-impossible hurdle for terminal loners. for not wanting to be a human ATM, having any kind of self-respect.but it's so much more comfortable to call people whose lives suck narcissists, isn't it? allows you to get comfy and sneer down at them without feeling any pangs of guilt, since they're self-obsessed freaks who deserve it.do you watch a lot of psychology youtube?
>>33923737>and then there are all kinds of reasons why someone who is in that position might not take any of the steps that you have suggested. for the self-improvement stuff, depression and learned helplessness, for going out and being more social, that's a near-impossible hurdle for terminal loners.And there you go, making my point for me. You're not supposed to *have* learned helplessness. You're not supposed to *be* a terminal loner. Especially if the problem is identified and you still chose to embrace it and do nothing to fix it. These might be "reasons" for not taking the steps I've suggested, but they're far from good ones.Interesting now how we've also moved on from "they're just too ugly" to "depressed terminal loners with learned helplessness". Which is a much more accurate assessment of their problem, but it's interesting how you'd still rather play along with their copes and pretend it's only their looks holding them back. Do you really think you're doing them any favors by indulging them like this?> having any kind of self-respect.I always laugh when I see this term crop up in threads like these. Because once you start making incel threads, self-respect went out the window a long time ago.>do you watch a lot of psychology youtube?I don't watch any, actually. And in fact "failed narcissist" was a term I literally made up. I'm not claiming to be the only person to have made it up, I'm sure someone else has thought it up at some point. But I first used it without having read or heard it anywhere else. Because it describes a lot of people to a tee.>but it's so much more comfortable to call people whose lives suck narcissists, isn't it?I literally also called out the narcissists who actually have the looks or the success in that very same post YOU just quoted. But in your defensiveness, it seems you didn't actually read that part.
>>33923778you really are evil - OP came here to talk about a pretty unpleasant experience he had in therapy, in an anonymous setting, hoping to make sense of it, and your take-away is that anyone who would do such a thing has lost any right to talk about self-respect and might just as well let themselves be used as an ATM. do you even hear yourself?with the way you're glossing over any of the points you don't actually want to acknowledge in favor of getting in cheap gotchas, I think it's more likely you have NPD than any other person in this thread.
>>33913822There is an irony in therapy. It was pioneered by psychoanalysis and Freud. Freud eventually admitted it can't help with bedwetting. The irony is that it's one of relatively few things it can help with(well psychoanalysis can't but there are other types of therapy). Others being OCD, some anxieties etc.What it won't help with is things like depression. If you have chemical depression because parts of your hormonal system is out of whack then that can be medicated(but it's psychiatrist deciding on that, not therapist), but the only thing a therapist can do about depression coming out of having a shit life is to listen to your problems empathetically. A lot of problems aren't possible to be solved either, like let's say you want a gf but have absolutely nothing in you that a girl would like. You're an introvert with introvert hobbies working in male dominated field etc. you're not even compatible with a slob that sits on her ass every evening to watch netflix because your taste in media is too refined for that. There's virtually nothing you could do with a woman that you both would enjoy that also isn't just pure eroticism(not just sex).Let's even take the side of therapist and defend his profession for a moment - is he supposed to tell you that you need to fundamentally change your way of life and personality so you may land a gf in the end? That's just removing one issue from your life(no gf) and replacing it with another(doing things you don't actually like to do and pretending to be a person you actually aren't). You just can't be helped and that's the bleak reality.
>Therapist knuckles into problem I stated>I get personally offended by her asking if I've been actively trying to do the thing most humans achieve with relative ease early on in life>Money spent: $150>Asspats received: 0>Go home>Bitch about w*man who hurt my feelings>Fill out captcha>Money spent: $0>Asspats received: 9001>>33913871>check ur privilege SEXHAVERThis post wasn't as cool as you thought it would be
>>33920551Is it still cool and edgy to say studies are gay and lame and that we should establish truth by saying whatever the fuck we want whenever?
>>33923253>I would pay literally anything to become a modelI've literally done shirtless modelling before (as has most of my family) and I'm still a loner virgin. Being attractive doesn't help the way you think it does; the only thing it does is make the weird shit you do more acceptable/palatable
>>33926110So its basically finding a cope with therapist?
>>33926196why is it so hard to accept your privilege?
>>33926196If you're a model and are a loner virgin then you are either severely autistic or otherwise socially deficient or want to be a loner virgin by choice.
>>33913906>I just ask myself what is more likely - that the therapist who trained for 8 years in college plus 2000-3000 clinic hours to earn 60k a year is privileged and tone deaf and has genuineYes.I know people who went to school to become therapists and I do not have a very good impression of them. They are very chatty and like to gossip.In a lot of cases people become therapists because they have mental problems themselves.
>>33913530They tell us to try harder even though we get accused of harassment in the workplace and stalking outside of work, when the woman is just a stranger we cold approached. Male therapists are rare and always booked up.
>>33914204>OP is seeking therapy, not neurosugery. Thankfully, the human psyche is quite well understood , other than the brain itself.You are such a retard. You cannot correctly deduce thoughts and intentions from symptoms. It is at best a guess.>A neurobiologist won't invent a magical button that gives you Chad brain. Most incels don't have a problem with their Neurochemistry, but a bad upbringing coupled with a steadfast refusal to accept that their room doesn't contain a spawn point for hot chicks.This is a retarded statement. Christ. Your neurochemistry IS your brain (not just neurotransmitters, also mineral composition, patterned structures in addition). Why do drugs like MDMA make you more sociable and empathetic then? They used to use MDMA for couples therapy because of this explicit benefit. Many psychiatric disorder have biomarkers associated with specific psychological states, and in some cases purely psychological factors can contribute (for example PTSD). The environment can literally effect your neurochemistry. I do agree that sometimes incels can put too much external blame.The words of OP comes from his shitty ruminative thoughts which are isomorphic to his shitty neurochemistry.Also, scientific studies show that therapy is often a placebo (with some exceptions - like DBT for BPD).
>>33926751*affect your neurochemistry
>>33926751Here's an interesting article about that:https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jul/03/why-cbt-is-falling-out-of-favour-oliver-burkeman
>>33923829>OP came here to talk about a pretty unpleasant experience he had in therapyTherapist aren't supposed to blow somoke up your ass, but help you localize your problem and then fix it. If OP has a crash out because the therapist is literally doping her job and trying to find out just how the fuck he managed to remain a virgin at 28, thats on him.>>33926751>isomorphic to his shitty neurochemistry.Deflective pilpul to avoid responsibility for fixing yourself. Whatever happened to cause OPs problke was not his fault, but fixing it in his grown up life absolutely is. Neurochemists won't invent a pill that frees you from all personal responsbility, it simply does not work like that. >>33926768>the GuardianThe retarded midwit journo who wrote that thing could have read into the actual science and have realized that CBT was simply the FOTM therapeutical modality for some time, and everyone has since come to realize that like any modality it is effective for some people, but not for others. Thing is, as you are simply throwing up copes to avoid the unpleasant process of confronting ynd solving your issues, there is no basis for an actual debate. It is rather unfortunate that you will waste years of your life coping about some phantasy of a lietral magic pill that fixes all your problems - this simply leads to the whole thing taking longer with a high chance of missing the train entirely and ending up a bitter old man.
>>33913530wtf are you going to the "therapist" it's a pseudoscience for women to larp as "doctors", you'd have better luck consulting a fortune-teller
>>33913530>Female therapistThey are absolutely useless and their unconscious biologically imperative hatred for beta males will fuck you up even more. If you really want to go to therapy, search for a male one: possiblly with good reviews from other males
>>33923600>I see ugly ass men with gfs, wives, and children all the timeAgain. Probably not as ugly as you think. And probably not as ugly as us. The ugly men I see with women are likely tall or they are betabuxx that spend years getting money in the hopes of attracting a woman that way. But how is that much different than getting a prostitute? Especially when you are middle aged and the woman already went through many lovers and burned their dopamine receptors that way. That's not love or anything based on mutual attraction. I am outside almost everyday and almost all couples are looksmatched. I never see some huge discrepancy where a pretty girl is dating some small goblin looking guy.
>>33927009>You don't understand, I'm so scared, I pee myself when a woman looks at me, I NEED to cope so I can sit in my basementLoo, there is absolutely no way to avoid rejection, it happens to literal Gigachads who are friends of mine all the time. Get it in your head.Get out there and get it over with so you can see success. Other men will support and empatize with you because we all know the feeling. But stop farting out all this embarassing cope, because open faggotry not only turn off other women, but also makes other men abhor you.
>>33927009I see black men that shit themselves with 16 year old white gfs. On the sidewalks.
>>33913530You have chosen a retarded therapist
>>33926903I didn't say any of those things. There is no use to debate with you because you are an actual idiot, and you are too stupid to realize that. I don't think you're trolling because you're impersonating an idiot too well. I am simply stating psychological and neurobiological states are the same thing. It is also implied that you can change your neurobiological state by changing your psychology.I linked the guardian article be ause it gives a quick and approachable overview and when I tried to link scientific articles 4chan though it was spam.
>>33926569because I realize what it gets me>>33926720well, that covers all the options... I don't see why this wouldn't apply to anyone else the same way. If you're socially invisible then no one's going to give you the time of day; women don't come to attractive men like a Merrie melodies character floating towards a pie
>>33913530I've seen this exact OP's text somewhere else like 2 years ago, is this all copy pasta? Are you that desperate for replies OP ?
>>33927031>Loo, there is absolutely no way to avoid rejection, it happens to literal Gigachads who are friends of mine all the time. Get it in your head.This is absolutely not true, you disgenious retard. Gigachads aren't doing 100 approaches to get 1 bitch to go on a date with.
>>33914111>if you want to have sex, then have sex. you can payUnless OP lives in one of those cpuntries where its legal to sell and illegal to buy sex
>>33929860One of the reasons why women aren't attracted to you is because you think about the world in terms of what you are and are not allowed to do. Attractive men do what they want and deal with the aftermath.
>>33929942>Attractive men do what they want and deal with the aftermath.And I'm not attractive. So I don't get to play by those rules
