I wonder how many animals in zoos wish they could kill themselves. You're a male jaguar and you're put in a room, alone, and spend the rest of your life yearning for a mate you can never have.
just have sex with your zoo keeper
>>4904691>alone, and spend the rest of your life yearning for a mate you can never haveHow's that any different than my life now?
>>4904921Your door is open
>>4904921>yearning for a mate you can never havefor animals it's reality, for you it's just an illusion
>>4904691Animals don't think of suicide, that requires a higher level of cognition than most are capable of. Cats definitely don't. They just have a will to survive like anything else.
>>4904958what abt penguins or dolphins?
>>4904921At least you have hands. They can't relive their urges with anything.
>>4904973Penguins, unlikely. Dolphins, absolutely. They're one of the smartest animals alive and have very human emotions and even do drugs on purpose.
>>4904691>I wonder how many animals in zoos wish they could kill themselves.Literally zero outside of certain highly intelligent marine mammals.
>>4904973I had a pet penguin called Harvey in the 90s that deliberately overdosed on vicodin.
>>4904941Tell me as a 40/m where to find attractive young girls who are not schizos or have bedded a hundred men. I'd really like to know where this fantasy creature exists.
>>4904976>even do drugs on purpose>not "on porpoise"One job
>>4905056>Tell me as a 40/m where to find attractive young girlsYou don't. You're not young or attractive so why should your partner be?
>>4904921you can leave your house anytime you want
>>4905056Is it you?
>>4904921You have to work for your food
>>4905185trvth nvke
dolphins have an heroed by drowning themselves
>>4905012>>4904973>>4904976Contrary to what people assume, bottlenose dolphins actually do quite well in captivity and often live longer there than they do in the wild. And that's with some old aquariums with subpar husbandry dragging the average down.If captivity were that bad, they would die prematurely out of stress/boredom like domestic dogs without stimulation/exercise do. This suggests it's not as bad for animals as people imagine. You just anthropomorphize dolphins too much and assume they hate it because you, personally, would hate being confined to a tank.In the case of big cats, it's often even sillier. Lions in the wild aren't even all that active! They hunt, and then spend the rest of their day lying down on the ground and resting. As long as zoos provide them with enrichment, they don't even need that much space to be content and to stop pacing.
>>4904691>male jaguar and you're put in a room, alone, and spend the rest of your life yearning for a mate you can never have.BTW, most animals in zoos these days are bred and provided with mates at some point, so this isn't really true. The animals you see in Western zoos now are either rescues or born in captivity.
>>4905056>young girlsI think you mean to say “young women”
>>4905185in prison you get fed for free but nofucking one likes prison. What about that?
>>4905417If the food was good and you had wifi access it would be fine. People seem to like Swedish prisons.
>>4904936No it isn't, the real cage is other people, I yearn for my little shelter away from all of them with space to farm and raise a couple animals and a forest to forage in as it is what my body was built for and what my body craves
>>4904973I heard orcas have killed themselves in captivity but that could also be a wierd orca goof like it forgot how to breathe or something
>>4905361>Animal is kept in a zoo exhibit and bred to create new zoo animalsGood>Random crazy person keeps a tiger farm and breeds the tigers to make new baby tigers to rent and displayBad
>>4905329How does that work? Wouldn't they just automatically float to the top and get air?
Nah man put me in the alien human zoo
>>4905460I don't like not having a car
>>4905475I'm only concerned about the tiger milfs man. And yeah I dislike any scenario where a tiger cub gets taken for someone's feel good story views.
>>4905502You can have a car in prison. You just can't go out and drive it.
>>4905359So you're saying that no dolphin has ever killed itself in captivity ever? Because you're disagreeing with people whose only statement is "dolphins have comitted suicide in captivity before". I'm just trying to make sure you are, in fact, this retarded because I'm having a hard time believing it.
>>4905472>he is a slave to his bodyngmi
>>4905516>he is a slave to others instead of himselfMy body is my soul, my essence, from the gut to the nerves in my fingertips to the brain it is all my consciousness, woven completely into the flesh. I am earth, inseparable from it, the stuff of creation. Animated dirt, and to dirt it all returns. Other people see all this and wonder how they could trick me into doing them a favor, or manipulate - or intimidate - me into not living my life in a harmless way that might annoy them. Or in a way the voices told them must be stopped, in the case of prophets and priests aka schizophrenic men with charisma and a mostly illiterate follower base. This is the whole human condition. The kindest and fairest system humans can imagine is everyone exploiting each other equally. Their roadmap to get there involves one small group or just one man administrating all that exploitation and then he never lets go of power>are you talking about capitalism or communismBoth. Both draw lines in the dirt and say NO ONE SHALL BREATHE ON THIS EARTH LEST THEY SERVE ME. Then they drag you out of your home, kill your livestock, indoctrinate your children, rape your women, and then they kill you. Humans abhor freedom. To them it feels like waiting for someone else to kill them. It is the scariest thing on earth to man. Other people, being free. The entire species is anxious and neurotic. Pay attention to how quickly humans eat their food. Like the barking dog, like the cringing cat, they act like someone will steal it even if the chances are zero. You will never see a human take longer than 5 minutes to finish a sandwich. Our species is fundamentally insecure like a prey animal or the predestined omega wolf. Bottom of the totem pole. Climbing up towards nothing, not for any good. Just for fear’s sake. What if someone gets there first, what if something stops me if i go later, what if i lose my home and need another… never for any other reason. Ever.Humans are fundamentally evil.
>>4905536humans are so naturally insecure they cant imagine progress without a threat lmao>why would anyone be a doctor if they werent afraid of starving -capitalist>you mean of starving in gulag -communist>you mean of starving in pit -animist god-king
>>4905536>he's a slave to his body AND schizophreniadouble NGMI
>>4905572>your ideas make me uncomfortable and go against my judeo-western programming. serving my master will free my immortal spirit bro. i just need to exist for other peoples sake and then i can live forever. Yet your master lives only for his self. Humans are an evil prison species. Labeling ideas you dislike schizophrenia won’t change that. Advanced society is inherently unstable and unpleasant because man is greedy and fearful. No other dominant characteristics. None. There is no good in people. They just tell you there is if it’ll put you to work.
>>4905585humans are only capable of good if restrained to groups of less than 200 and guided by a superior intelligenceeven humans know it which is why they will follow the closest bullshit guru at the moment (see: mormons, muslims, buddhists).
>>4905515What are you talking about? It's never been proven that dolphins in captivity commit suicide and no one in this thread has offered dispositive proof on the matter. There are only two cases in which this has even been suggested and they are both from the 1970s. On the other hand, what I'm saying is backed up by actual research from the last decade:https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/mms.12601>Survival rates and life expectancies are commonly agreed upon indicators of well-being for animals in zoological facilities, but even the most recent survival statistics for bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops truncatus) in marine mammal parks and aquariums use data that are now more than 25 yr old. The current study provides a comprehensive assessment of life expectancy and survival rates for bottlenose dolphins in U.S. zoological facilities from 1974 to 2012, utilizing three different analyses (annual survival rate, age-at-death, and Kaplan-Meier), examining historical trends, and comparing to comparable data from wild populations. Both survival rate and life expectancy for dolphins in zoological facilities increased significantly over the past few decades, with a modern ASR of 0.972, and mean and median life expectancies calculated via Kaplan-Meier of 28.2 and 29.2 yr, respectively. Survival rates and life expectancies for dolphins in U.S. zoological facilities today are at least as high as those for the wild dolphin populations for which there are comparable data.
>>4905585>Labeling ideas you dislike schizophrenia won’t change that.You are going on completely unprovoked, off-topic, nonsensical rants about how everybody is evil. That is literally schizophrenia. I'm not memeing. You are mentally unwell and should talk to people irl now and then. Get some professional help.
>>4905622>It's never been proven that dolphins in captivity commit suicide>There are only two cases in which this has even been suggested.Congrats, you just played yourself because you cannot comprehend 2 =/= 0.
>>4905622>It's never been proven that dolphins in captivity commit suicide>There are only two cases in which this has even been suggested.Congrats, you just played yourself because you cannot comprehend 2 =/= 0. Literally nobody ITT is saying that dolphins don't live longer in captivity. Zero people. But in your language, that means between 0 and 2 people are making that statement, so I can see why you would be confused in retardland.
>>4905638Okay, and the two alleged cases of dolphin suicide are1)Dubious claim about the dolphin who portrayed Flipper which has never been verified2) A case involving the dolphin that was sexually involved with Margaret Howe Lovatt that allegedly committed suicide after being separated from her. No, I'm not kidding. The dolphin was a part of some weird experimental facility in 1960s that gave the dolphins LSD and other drugs that would obviously fuck with their brain chemistry. There were also experiments that involved alleged "telepathy" and other 1960s mystical mumbo jumbo. Not exactly the most credible sources or stories.>Innocent as they were, Lovatt’s sexual encounters with Peter would ultimately overshadow the whole experiment when a story about them appeared in Hustler magazine in the late 1970s. “I’d never even heard of Hustler,” says Lovatt. “I think there were two magazine stores on the island at the time. And I went to one and looked and I found this story with my name and Peter, and a drawing.”>In the decades which followed, John Lilly continued to study dolphin-human communications, exploring other ways of trying to talk to them – some of it bizarrely mystical, employing telepathy, and some of it more scientific, using musical tones. No one else ever tried to teach dolphins to speak English again.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me
>>4905633>have some manners!Seething normie lol. You’d be less offended if you were redpilled. >we live in a society
>>4905642>it didn't happen because I said it didn't happenplease just stop, you said something wrong, admit it and move on.
>>4905655It didn't fucking happen, retard. Do either of those two "dolphin suicide" cases actually sound scientifically credible to you?
>>4905643I keep hoping one of you fruitcakes would actually sell everything you own and go live in the Alaskan wilderness out of an RV or something, then come back in two weeks with a trip report about how soul-crushingly boring and stressful it is to try and survive off the land in total solitude. When you have to do everything by yourself, it's the same rote routine every day, any minor mishap can be life-threatening, and there's nobody to talk to and nothing to see but different trees and rocks, which are major reasons people create communities in the first place. Please be my hero?
>>4905656>It didn't fucking happen, retard. Do either of those two "dolphin suicide" cases actually sound scientifically credible to you?>but they just CANT be real they just CANT OK????????!!!!!!!!!Everybody knows how well documented those experiments more. Stop being an angry retard and go to bed.
>>4905669gormless>>4905656full of gorm
>>4905669>Everybody knows how well documented those experiments moreMaybe if you could speak English you'd be able to discern what is and isn't a credible scientific claim.
>>4905680>Haha! You though tyou had bested me, but when the odds looked their gloomiest, that was when I realized: you had made...a LE TYPO!!!get a fucking grip lmao
>>4905636>>4905638esl or retard?
>>4905719retardt. retard
>>4905675hey alright
>tldr
