>start wfh, bring engineers in with promise of wfh or hybrid wfh>few years ago have a period like a woman and chance their mind, mostly beacuse their managers suggested it cuz they are control freaks and like their big offices while the rest of the employees had to deal with open office floor plan>all of a sudden people have to commute hour + just to sit on teams meeting anyways and do CAD work and distract each other with water cooler conversations>lose all their top engineering talent>both lose their momentum and shit start failing, both lose money>musk tried to replace them with jeets who cant do shit, bezos just sat in the corner like a cuck and let BO lag behindI know musk is never going to budge cuz he has content for engineers and insists on paying them 20 percent below the going rate and has endless jeet slaves(cant wait till the 100k hb1 visa fee goes into effect) but is Bezos ever going to learn his lesson? Engineers are supposed to make as much as doctors and lawyers but dont, wfh is the only W we have and we really dont need to be in office everyday.. T. Worked for both of these faggots, met one of them..
>>61434945modern offices are a fucking joke. you sit down next to people who you never actually work with just to hop on a call with your teammates in 5 other countries.even on the rare occasion i do need to go over something with a teammate in the same office, we usually just Teams call anyway because screen-sharing is easier than leaning over a shoulder
>>61435098Most of the times we need to screen share, its retarded
>>61435098>he thinks the point of RTO is productivity and not control of the wagies
>>61435098I prefer meeting face to face so I can look people in the eyes and wear a suit.
>>61435536For blue origin, the new CEO(not bezos, he just owns and funds it) got a office right next to his house in Phoenix and threw a party then next day it was a ghost town and no one showed up so he made everyone RTO out of spite.As for musk he litteraly just walks around and scoffs or hums like some kind of king and doesnt do any actual work and has nothing better to do that go from office to office so he made everyone be there. He doesnt give 2 fucks about the manufacturer manual laborers
>>61435573And what do u do MBA faggot?
They know they get better talent, more productivity and higher employee retention with WFH but humans have this instinctual desire to humiliate and control others below them. They only wat to escape serfdom is to be rich.
>>61435603Feels good being retired at 30. Modern work is just pure garbage wont bring you anything. The wealth gap is too big and with an endless supply of labor driving wages down.
>>61435693Must be good to have your real life start at 30 while the rest of us wait for it to start
>>61435693Based. How did you do it? I "wasted" my twenties doing odd jobs and smuggling drugs internationally (good luck proving anything dear FBI agent reading this) to travel the world's premier surf destinations, fuck sluts and party so now I'm way behind financially. I have a "good" tech job with a "high" salary but damn man these humiliation rituals and the pure boredom and slave-like existence of being a wagie is grim as fuck.
>>61435693What do u do all day>>61435724If there is nothing that interests or excites you that means that all u enjoy are video games and porn, thats sad
>>61435725U call that a waste? All those excperinces when u were young? Im in my early 30s and if I won the lottery tomorrow and attain a haram of barely pubescent Swedish girls I still wouldnt be nearly as happy as a incel 20 year old taking the bus just to smoke a 5 sack of shitty weed at my freinds slum of an apartment.Also who the fuck are all these people in tech that think its boring? No way yall are engineers cu, im an engineer in tech and its very cool. What are u a manager? If so just stay the fuck out of the engineers way and leave them alone and they will love u and give u good results. If u try to micromanage them or even look at them the wrong way we will leave and u will have some newbie trying to decipher our shitty circuits and code
>>61435585Funemployed
>>61435725If you have a good job you're a head of a lot of people. I "wasted" my twenties going to university and building a business only to go bankrupt due to theft and extortion and I'm now I'm working a low-wage entry level job with a bunch of student loans, credit card debt and no employable skills.I would be more 'ahead' if I smoked meth and couch surfed my twenties away.
>>61435818Why didn't u sign contracts? Also u are supposed to dust urself off and try again after buisness fails
>>61435724Real life starts when you’re born. lol wtf. How many anons here didn’t grow up in proper households?>>61435725Sounds good. I never needed to “fuck sluts” or travel. I travelled a lot when I was 0-18. I think modern travelling means paying a huge mark up and sitting in a plane with dark skinned “people.”
>>61435847Real life starts when you don't need to work to survive.
>>61435825Contracts don't prevent unrelated criminals from stealing your stuff, and the police wouldn't do anything. >Also u are supposed to dust urself off and try again after buisness failsThat's the plan. It's just tough in reality when you spend years working your ass off only to realize all you've done is dig yourself a massive hole. And then you work your ass off twice as hard to get out, and it happens again and now three years have gone by. Very demoralizing.
>>61435748Just normal stuff. I like gaming and lifting and playing with my portfolio. > wouldnt be nearly as happy as a incel 20 year old taking the bus just to smoke a 5 sack of shitty weed at my freinds slum of an apartment.Yeah but no the slum apartment. I don’t get why so many people use the “incel” now. 90% of young adults 18-22 are/were insults. I am 94% sure anyone male that uses the word incel unironically IS an incel and is paying for his gf/wife with betabucks. It is sad but true. 80-90% of men are born incels and are only seens as marriage material/betacucks by girls that are over 23.
>>61435536>he thinks the point of RTO is anything but propping up commercial real estate
>>61435825>a piece of paper will protect you from criminalslmfao get real, the real world doesn't work like that. What happened to this anon sucks and it can literally happen to all of us. >>61435775I pity guys like you, your whole identity is being le epic engineer because you got bullied in high school, didn't get laid and now for once you hold a (miniscule) amount of power derived by your autistic ability to talk to machines. Your type irritates me not only because you had a shit life, now have a slightly better life but instead of bettering the world you all become arrogant, dismissive and tyrannical assholes. What truly irritates me is that because you are good at talking to machines you delude yourself into thinking that makes you competent in all other parts of life now too, as is evident by your airhead comment on the other anons experience of getting extorted by criminals. >>61435818I'm sorry to hear that anon, you have hit a roadblock in life, but you managed to launch a good business before criminals ruined everything, you can do it again. We live many decades, you have plenty of time anon. I believe in you.
>>61435775Engineering is dorky. Period.
>>61435825contracts don't mean shit if you don't have a better legal team than whomever you're signing the contract with
>>61435876Regarding to your reply to the engineering guy, it is what I think of about 90% of men. Like ohhh you got a job and a bit of money and settled for a post wall female….good job?? I wouldn’t say every man got bullied but I will say 90% of men were invisible to girls outside of being a provider cuck. So these bottom 90% men try to signal to each other with “i made it” but at the end of the day, these men are still the bottom 90% and nothing has changed.
>>61435847Nice anon, I grew up in a mountain village in Germany with a population of 400 to poor parents so I never even left my state until I moved out to the city the day I turned 18. You're not wrong about modern travel being the ultimate goy cattle consoooooomer slop since it's literally 99% wagies on their 2 weeks of freedom a year crammed into designated consumption zones (resort) in some impoverished shithole that happens to have beaches. I actually lived in Asia for years, lived among the local surf bums, slept in a hammock for years, and sustained myself by smuggling drugs across borders and other sketchy shit. We see eye to eye here anon I would never get into an airplane to be crammed together with brownoids to sit in some shitty hotel
>>61435876Thanks I'm trying. It's really difficult to cope with extreme injustice that affects the trajectory of your life and saps your youth, but I try to internalize it the same way. I was JUST getting to the point of really good success and went all in, and everything happened at the worst time.Some of my regrets are not keeping sensitive paperwork in a safe (in my own home), another being not owning a firearm at the time. Also a zero tolerance policy for placing business debt on personal accounts, even if you intend to transfer it later. About $20k of my student loans were used to buy equipment that is now stolen (my initial plan was to sell the stuff if the business didn't succeed, since the loans are interest free while enrolled). Well, I don't have the stuff to sell anymore. It's not a lot of money, but it still sucks. What I really lost was the projected revenue (~$300k/yr) and opportunity cost. Due to the circumstances I had to drop out with only a couple months left to graduate as a math/cs major. It wasn't just theft, but extortion that went on for almost a year.Tons of debt, no degree, no business, no skills. I am absolutely fucked. It's a tough way to start your thirties. My recovery arc is going to be insane and I'm going to be so smug.
>>61435897That is literally what it is. Now that I live in "normal" society again and go to dinner parties and such It is so incredibly cringe for me how normie men immediately start sizing each other up by entering dick swinging contest about what job they work, who their employer is, how much they earn there, etc. It's like they size you up and my tech job gives me some "street cred" in this extremely cringe ritual they all engage in. Like yeah bro, OOOOOH WHOW you settled for a job!!! and you can now marry some female that used to suck dozens of dicks of drug dealers and surf instructors when they were young... ask me how I know. At this point my only hope is to find a financially independent woman, but since I am a wageslave currently I doubt they'd be interested
>>61435926Fuck that's rough. Who was doing the extortion? How did they actually extort you? If it's any help, my fiance signed up to have a house built, the builder just abandoned the project midway after getting paid for things he hadn't done yet, construction costs EXPLODED (which is why he stopped the works) but he refused to declare bankruptcy so she could the insurance payout, he just kept dodging us and not doing any work. She was stuck in legal limbo with him for 5 years and had to, in the end, just sell the half finished house to pay off all her debt. Now we are 30, no house, and in these 5 years this fuckhead fucked us around house prices have doubled in our area. These things happen and normies usually don't understand that it can happen to all of us. Our redemption arcs will be insane anon. Let's get it.
>>61435912I saw videos online and many top hotels and resorts hire dark skinned people. They are everywhere. Like even middle east and like dubai too and everywhere. It was surreal to me cause I only knew this in 2020ish watching videos during lock down. And cruise ships were full of them too. My godparents travel every month to every where for years now and they say there are brown people everywhere. Obviously not east asia..yet. Well, Japan is getting jeet treatment. And now that China isn’t some third world dump, tourism is really opening up and booming there.
>>61435981Anon - I am sorry to have to break this to you. Take it from someone who is on his third passport from all the visa stamps - there are very, very, very little places left in the world where the cockroaches haven't begun their infestation yet. And from these few remaining pure places, the majority are super dangerous, keeping the cockroaches away. My 400 people rural mountain village in Germany recently had 2 Iraqi families with 4 and 7 kids dumped into it. None of them work, and these 2 families combined have almost as many kids as the entire village combined. It really is so fucking over.
>>61435945I get what you mean. Like modern work today is terrible. Subway is full of dark skinned people. The downtown white collar streets are full of them. They work as wagies at coffee shops, and you see them at bus stop and on sidewalks. Everything did get more expensive and no one is content except the already well which is a minority. You go into a major public area and you can use statistics and tell 80-90% are not doing well. I used to go out a lot and it was 100 bucks every time. Imagine how much normies are spending weekly and monthly. Pre 2020, 2018-2020, I already felt like no bars or pubs or restaurants had good deals.
>>61436006Ever since 2 weeks ago, the msm has been talking about the k shaped economy every day. That is how bad it is. They didn’t do that before. Countries are no longer countries but plantations for most people.
>>61436014Yeah normies are getting absolutely raped, it's so obvious no matter where you look. The other day at a get-together I was drunk and complained about having a job and then some normie got offended and started ranting about how at least I work in an office for good money etc. I told him "bro you know how back in the day they had field niggers and house niggers? And all the field niggers competed to become the next house nigger? Well guess what man, that house nigger was still just a fucking nigger" They all got so offended kek.
>>61435868Gaming is pretty lame to do as a main hobby and I hope u are making money playing with ur portfolio. I lift too, everyone lifts, its not a hobby u can list, its a basic function for sane adults and even teenagers. Sounds like a boring life to me, why not start a buisness(unless u are making good money from portfolio playing i giess) How did u make ur money if u dont mind me asking?
>>61435864Locks and guns then. Did ur house get broken into? Should have hid ur shit, i hide mine..
>>61435876I agree that engineers are assholes but I have other stuff going for me. I know a lot of history and philosophy. I am working on antenna patents at the moment so im not a cubicle engineer. I think im better than everyone else more so beacuse of how much I lift(natty) and being generally smarter. Most engineers i know dont have much to say about anything, shit most dont even care about engineering. I would make it my personality if women cared but they dont give half a fuck when I tell them so fuck it. Tbh I actually base my personality on psycedelics. I grow shrooms and I take megabytes and thats what makes me better than everyone. I need to get back into meditation also, had a good thing going when I started and dont know why I quit. Fuck other engineers though, I agree
>>61435879Being dorky is awesome. Being a nerd is whats lame. A nerd know usless fantasy shit like star wars. If a girl calls u a dork that means she wants ur penis. Also if u haven't realized engineers run the world. Heck, even the russian mafia, thieves in law, are ran by people with engineering degrees so there are all kinds. The 6'5 chad on roids get btfo in a field by a dork with a drone helmet now. Even before, the people with the better tech won over the strong brute. U think England would be able to take over if they had to fist fight their way through the world?
>>61436242No it isn’t awesome being a dork. This is adult cope. On par with >muh jobYeah mafia is just working class people. No surprise.
>>61436242>if a girl calls you a dork that means she wants ur penis
>>61436231I cannot wait until the threat of starvation doesn't force me to be around your type anymore holy fucking cringe
>>61436209It is a hobby for me. There is barely any time in a day to chill. Me? I never had to work. It is like being on vacation 24/7. Like people post pics of their kicked up feet and go #blessed, well thats me every day. Do you want me to go to a resort? lol. I live in a major city in a hot location. I pretty much live a resort life.
>>61436242Blah blah blah. Dork nerd geeks, sit down. Same thing as bottom 90% men talking about >muh wife
>>61436209I have to like cook and clean. And that includes prepping. And that includes cleaning. Otherwise it is chill. And I have to do my competitive gaming too.
>>61435725Based. I love to surf. I want to get more tubes.
>>61435969>Who was doing the extortion? How did they actually extort you?It's a long story, and it doesn't come off well. But my landlord was my mother and I was leasing her house and she lived out of state, until one day at random with no notice she moved in while I was at work and had scrappers take my equipment or took it to the dump, and found my banking paperwork and helped herself to some ACH transfers. That broke my finances and productive ability for my business, but I was an "additional member" on her credit card, which I would then use to cash flow the ability to 'middle-man' product just for the sake of not losing my customers while I rebuilt, but this gave her an additional lever over me in addition to being the homeowner and not providing me with a lease. She'd randomly pause the card, which meant when dealing with suppliers I'd unexpectedly have to pay cash upfront (eating into my budgeted reserves for the bill that month), and she'd demand payment at the threat of destroying the rest of my stuff and locking me out, while refusing to provide a lease.If I paid, I'd be penniless with no living security, with a landlord eager to destroy me. If I didn't pay, I'd at least have my emergency savings. I'd explain this every month, but she'd still refuse to provide a lease, and at the last minute she'd unpause the card, and I'd try to unwind the new cash flow mess I was in (since the business only makes the margins, each time she'd mess up the cash flow, I'd have to double down on costs to push more sales to get the required margin that month to cover the bills). It basically meant I was frenetically running around trying to find sales to cover exorbitantly high and ever-growing bills, while not actually making any money just trying not to be homeless.Obviously I should've left, but I just kept thinking it'd end every month since her position benefitted no one. She moved out after 8 months and I barely had enough money to pay for gas to get to work.
>>61434945Elon has paranoia issues. Like serious ones. You can control him with that. He doesn't want smart Whites around bc he thinks the Jeets and chingchongs would never be able to coup him.
>>61436370Whites have no drive anymore. Stop living in your fantasy land where whites are #1 in everything.
>>61435969>character limitAnd sorry to hear about your situation. You think these sort of mundane yet life altering things won't happen to you until they do then next thing you know you find yourself sympathizing with the boomer co-workers who never thought they'd be there longer than a couple years but 'life got in the way'.I started reading that book I posted and it's good cope, recommend.
>>61434945Work on a global team, most of people I work with daily are in other states of countries.Return to office and literally like op says, will have meetings on teams literally with people 8 feet away vs being in actual conf room.Its collosal faggotry.
>>61435579>spiteOur ceo did exact same thing, they moved hq info hudson yards in Manhattan, they leased like a billion dollars in space for 10k people, grand opening of new site, giant amphitheater, 100 people showed up.5 days later rto was in effect.
>>61436419damn. Your own mother. That's grim as fuck.
My employer just sent out an e-mail that we are having funky t-shirt pizza fridays now. We are allowed to wear funky t-shirts and they will buy us pizza for lunch. Imagine being a grown ass man and someone else tell you what to wear
>>61434945I work at a company with one of the most successful implementations of wfh. I have 25 years in my current profession. When it comes to technical roles, there is no equal. It should be the default. The amount of progress we made from covid till now with this model is staggering. Of course, like you, our dead wood, busy body management want RTO. Its completely fuckjng retarded and will result in massive reduction of progress, increased office cost and overall turnover rates increasing. I'm already looking. You dont hate these faggots enough.
I am a lawyer who does DUI defense, evictions and child support and I never want to retire. Literally the best job ever. Every single day is magical.
>>61436498kek>>61436511Yeah sure ok man. Imagine if you could make your $$ without working.
>>61434945Engineers are natural born cuckolds. None of them have the power of will to lead a country or run a successful business. They're pigs and deserve to get slaughtered.
>>61436857Dorks. Losers nerd geeks of the workforce.
>>61435579Why does he need to do any 'work', when he put in the hard work 10 or 15 yrs ago, you sound bitter.
>>61436990When someone doesn’t work, it causes lots of seethe from normgroids. >>> >>61436706
>>61436999Yes but why expect the ceo to do the same 'work' that you do? Their job is to find money and markets while your job is to do what they tell. Why do employees suddenly become experts on a business when they have a gripe with their boss? You agreed to be hired and yet keep complaining about the most mundane shit.
>>61437016Idk, online echo chambers and growing wealth gap and difficult economic times got the lessers envious of those that made it.
