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>Please read the FAQ before posting in the thread (always updating)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpDyjw2LDxbupdvHMNsBUOBVB66Lzwf44RM1You1GDA/edit?usp=sharing
>Resources
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>Artist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing
>How to order from Vograce (now with video on how to set up files)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing
>Convention List (always WIP)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/
>IP taketowns (based on artists contribution, may or may not have been a one time thing, use as a guideline)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1696MDhNPhrZ0ySZhXkoJnGxb7l1OjW4JsVhu1wKvaWE
>AA Inspo (thanks anon!)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D19QV9nHwaY8AaNiEXZAAkEhkBTSsb01?usp=sharing

If anyone else has inspo photos they'd like possibly added to the above link, email the account cgldrawfags@gmail.com

We have a discord!
If you want into the CGL AA discord, email graveweaverelf@gmail.com with a picture of your table or merchandise. It is not a jury, just to make sure you do cons.

Helpful etsy tips, holidays are a comin', good luck seagulls!
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Why are double sided acrylic charms such a fucking pain to make? I'm having so much trouble with them for some reason. I highly regret wanting to make them in the first place.
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>>10009730
What exactly are you have problems with?
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>>10009809
Not them but I can relate. Making two versions with the exact same silhouette can be a pain, I tend to struggle with the image being straight up front/back or a character. It's much easier to go for practically the same image but just with different facial expressions.
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>>10009656
Was pretty much just a dumbfuck kid and thought taking commissions through a storefront would be a good idea for some reason. Rediculously underpriced myself because overexcited to start making money with art, etc.

What followed was basically all the hallmarks of some dumbfuck kid not taking the platform seriously. I'd forget to mark old completed orders "shipped", just let the handful of disputes and etc. that popped up lapse so they'd get their $5 refund.. I often ignored etsy's messaging/dispute system and just apologized directly to people through fA/dA (from where I had redirected to the etsy). I only offered $5 and $8 commissions and made like ~$200 total.

This was like four years ago, but the shop termination email is pretty much "don't use etsy ever again, we'll just close your new account" so I haven't bothered trying even though I have actual merch and live off my art now.
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>>10009975
Did you move addresses, change PayPals, and get a new bank account? If not, there are other sites you can sell your merch on that honestly I think people prefer over Etsy. Tictail, Gumroad, etc.
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>>10009975
Dang to be honest I don’t think they’d really care again, but deff change up your payment accounts (maybe direct you the payment to a new PayPal if possible) new email, new name, new IP (new IP might be too extra desu) and I think you should have no problems. If they ever contact you just say you were a dumb underage kid.
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>>10009991
>>10010000
Lately I've been thinking about opening up a new paypal account and giving it a shot because new address, ip, bank, name variant I can use, etc.

The only thing I'm not sure of is they MIGHT have my ssn (I for the life of me cannot remember if they asked for it, and I think they require it now..?) and that'd be the nail in the coffin.. I'm obviously not about to commit that level of fraud just to sell bits of plastic with cute anime junk printed on them. In the end I might just have to give up on that sweet normie traffic and focus on building a bigger social media following.
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What does it mean when you get off the waitlist of a juried con?
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>>10010122
They didn’t think you were great, but you’re good enough.
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>>10009975
God I would at least try. I thought this was going to be about violating copyright take downs but it seems like you just didn't understand the platform in the slightest so the chance of you fucking up again is very low.

It's not like they have people just patrolling looking for this, even REAL scammers have to get reported again so if you can build a good reputation again you'll probably be fine. Even if they do discover it's you some how down the line you might be able to say look, I've been doing well because i was an idiot before
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How do you navigate alibaba for t-shirt sublimination printing? Everytime I ask a seller if they can do more than one design I get a "no thanks" reply, help?
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>>10010274
Seconding this. I'm looking to move into apparel and I have no idea what I'm fucking doing.
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>>10010309
This wouldn't be so frustrating if shirts weren't 25 usd per piece when they're made in the states or 3 bucks a piece but a minimum order of ten thousand pieces when ordering from china. Like where are people just starting out supposed to go?
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>>10010318
Is it really 25 bucks where you are? I've been able to get really nice local printed (screen print not sub dye) shirts for like 8ish depending on what's going on with the design through the university print shop (meant for clubs and teams and stuff).
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>>10010318
People have been really spoiled by chinese manufacturing. They require high moq because they only want corporate customers. They do not want small artists who are just starting out as customers, because there is no money for them there. The trend of small time artists manufacturing these kinds of merchandise is really recent, and many of these companies don't feel obligated to support them, because it doesn't benefit them. Particularly when small time artists can potentially be such difficult customers as well. Low moq is a precious gift of this era and should never be taken for granted.
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>>10010274
>>10010318
Just do some middleman dropshipping service like printful or something, where t-shirts are around ~8-12 dollars. You can put them up in your online store or if you want to have physical stock for a con you can just order some for yourself and then bump the price up to $20 or more.

T-shirts are a much more "luxury" item compared to just some keychains or whatever, so getting a super low price with a low MOQ is usually impossible, or if you find one the quality is disgusting. Just accept it.
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>>10010497
Don't know where you got your prices from, but on printful's site it's around 38 dollars for a full print shirt
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>>10010274
Don't bother, find a local print service. It's expensive but that's the only way you're going to get low minimums, and you don't have to worry about art theft. You can try Jak prints or Digital art wear in the US. What most people are doing right now is using arts co but it's just as expensive unless you catch one of their sales.

Like others mentioned, it's better to start with screen printed shirts, you can get them done much cheaper
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Right now I ship stickers as packages with tracking but I've gotten complaints from people that the shipping price is too high (after already buying it...) I'm thinking of switching to just sending them in normal envelopes w/o any tracking and offering free shipping. Has anyone tried this/did it cause problems?
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>>10010531
And then it would cause people to complain because their stickers got bent. There's no winning. You'll never please anyone. Stick to the packages imo.
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>>10010172
That's good to hear? Not sure what I would have to improve on to get in though.
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>>10010531
as long as you put like 2 thick pieces of cardstock or chipboard or something in the envelope itll work. i charge a dollar for shipping that way and never had issues.
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>>10010559
Variety, presentation, luck.
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>>10010318
Meh, I've paid 35 or more for t shirts I really like. As long as it looks like the design is more than just a logo slapped on, then it will sell. Some people can appreciated indie shirts compared to generic Wal-Mart shirts.
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>>10010122
Jury anon here again!
How our process works is we do an initial weeding that basically amounts to two piles of, "This looks alright or better" or, "Well that's shit." After that we do a second round with the rubric, and anything that scores well on 4/5 sections on the rubric makes it to The Table.

On The Table all the portfolios are spread out so we can see one page of work from each artist at a glance. Then we commence culling down to the actual number of tables we have based on making sure we have a variety of fandoms, art styles, and merchandise types.

Anyone who makes it to the table gets put on the waitlist. The first work pulled from The Table is at the bottom of the waitlist, and the person who gets culled last is at the top of the waitlist. Generally, the last ten or so artists culled take as much time to debate as the rest of the jury process combined because at that point they're ALL great, we just don't have enough table space.

So if you're at the top of a waitlist, it means someone cancelled last minute and we got to pull in an artist we loved anyways. If you're at the bottom of a waitlist, it means we had competing dates with another con and all our faves left us for the other con and you're good enough I guess. (both cases are things that have happened)

But of course that's only one con's perspective.
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>>10010682
Thanks Jury anon! This was super helpful to know

I've never applied to a juried con before and was thinking of starting now that I have more work on my plate.
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>>10010554
It's a tricky situation to be sure. I sell decals and I've had people bitch because the shipping is higher than their tiny decal, because I offer sizes from 3 inches to 11 on most decals and have to put everything under the same shipping price of $3 for a rigid mailer. That said, a few people have asked me to standard mail small decals and I've never heard of one arriving bent in 3 years now. I use a 6x8 mailer and fold it over. It seems sturdy enough.
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>>10010122
Different jury anon than before. For the con I'm on the jury of, everyone is scored based on quality of art, variety of merch etc. When people who were outright accepted drop out, we replace it with the next person in line from the waitlist.
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Why do people ask you to sign your prints? Do any of you ever stamp them with your signature?
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>>10011170
>Why do people ask you to sign your prints?
?????
Buddy you realize a lot of people are there to meet artists a bit like they are celebrities right? If you bought a print from a legit famous artist and then got to meet them you might ask them to sign it, wouldn't you? Plus if you got famous the print would be worth more in ebay. Just sign it, a stamp isn't the same thing at all.
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>>10010682
I wish more juries were run the way your con runs things. I had inside info from my local big convention that they judge on a rubric but each jury member just takes a different batch of applicants, so someone might get judged differently just depending on the juror that got them. So getting off the waitlist might mean nothing in those cases. Wish more cons put in the effort like you guys do.
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>>10011170
It's a really nice and personal touch to add to a print, a stamp seems impolite to me Just keep a sharpie on hand, its a good customer experience that will make people remember you and your art more.
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i hate signing prints because i haven't bothered to design a signature yet.... i just... write my artist moniker in plain letters lol.......

anyway general question: does anyone bother to sign/number all their prints? does anyone mess around with limited prints/merch in general?
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>>10011230
That counts as a signature, not all signatures have to be super aesthetic and squiggly. The fact that you write it by hand and do it the same every time is enough to classify it as a signature, so don't stress it.
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>>10011230
Your fans don't care if you have the signature of the gods or if you have doctor handwriting. They just care that you took the time to sign their merch when they asked. That's what makes it special.
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I'm vending at a furry con. This and more is the vendor's free dinner.
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>>10011311
I talked to others and apparently other furry cons do the same. I wish anime cons did this. We are normally lucky of they even give us free water
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>>10010514
Yeah, I found a local business that does screen-printed t-shirts with a 10 shirt minimum, but if I hadn't bothered calling all the local places I would never have found them. They do use prison labor though, so they've got a bunch of bad reviews online, but I'm just laughing at the idea of prisoners having to look at my weeb shit.
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this was posted yesterday. 3 artists on making money from your webcomics. there's a convention section. thoughts?
https://d3hrgtnftymn2l.cloudfront.net/MakingMoneyfromWebcomics2018.pdf
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>>10011350
fixed link
http://sarjakuvakeskus.fi/blogi/1097-webcomics
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>>10011170
i prefer signatures on my prints (not signed at-con, tho, written on the actual image) because im uncomfortable owning mystery art even if i literally paid for it. call it a neurose of mine
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>>10011311
I wonder if this is because the furry community is more insular? like everyone kind of knows everyone (or knows someone who knows etc.) and pretty much everyone involved is going to be a furry, compared to how many normies you get vending/attending your average anime/comic con.
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>>10011311
I might switch to doing only furry cons in the near future. The customers are so much easier to deal with and the cons just treat artists so damn well. People are willing to spend triple digits on a commission. I love you, furries.
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>>10011395
Literally what the duck was this about
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>>10011631
you can't direct link to the pdf
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Hey could I get some help?
When i had my first con a year ago i came on here to ask for some advice which helped me to x3 what i earn at Cons. It's not much but at least i break even and make a little profit so i'm really grateful for that. After a year of doing Cons (5 in total) i've noticed that i'm reeeally bad at engaging with the customer. I usually just look up and smile and then look down again. Also i have a really bitchy face expression and when i smile it looks like i'm in pain (at least to me lol). Is there anything i can do about it? I'm thinking of dressing up and just hand them a flyer when they are at my table and say "feel free to bother me if you need anything" and then do something else, but is this okay to do?
Also i tried out different merchandise throughout that year but what worked best for me are buttons and prints. I've only tried out mini prints for now and have like ~25. And buttons around ~40. My buttons are mostly original and a good half of my Prints are original too. All other Prints are from a bit niche fandoms (like south park for example and various games). Should i expand to bigger fandoms? Or start offering bigger prints? Or try to continue with different merch? I tried out charms for example, but they didn't really worked for me as of now (granted i only have 4 big charms and 6 small charms).
I would extremly appreciate any sort of advice or insight and i'm sorry for any english mistakes.
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>>10011866
I wouldn't recommend handing them something. I always get really annoyed if someone tries to hand me anything unless I've asked for it first. But letting them know that they can bother you if they need something is not a bad move. I know you want the flyer as a sort of lead in to speaking but just saying "Let me know if you need any help" is perfectly fine. A lot of customers don't actually want to engage with you, because they know you're trying to sell them stuff; they just want to know you're available if they decide to buy.

As for your other questions, I sell niche stuff too so I can't really help there. Obviously you can make some money if you identify the flavor of the month things and make one or two items for that, but you have to be pretty limber and really stay on top of it, so it can be exhausting, and bad calls can end in tons of unsellable merch. Its so much more satisfying IMO to make the things that I like, connect with the fans who like the same obscure stuff that I like, even if I'm not making 100k a year.

You could also consider moving into "original" aesthetic stuff? Succulents, cute animals, witchcraft, etc. Broadens your audience a bit without relying on a fandom, and doesn't require you to go full OC and all the drawbacks that come with trying to market original works.
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In your opinion which online store is better Esty, Store envy or Tical? I've heard mixed things about them, I think it was Esty I heard that if you recently made an account you get a charge from your sales but if you're a long time member you don't have to worry about that.

Do any of you have an amazon store front or just stick to what's above?
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I have a question. I’m going to be boothing/guesting at a con soon (I’m a cosplayer). What kinds of products, other than prints and stickers, do you think would be a good idea for me to sell?
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>>10012067
Poll your followers.
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>>10011879
Is it alright for me to say "please tell me if you need anything" even when they don't look me in the eyes? Most of the time people would just look down to the table instead of me so our eyes never really match.

I never really considered aesthetic stuff before, that's actually a pretty great idea anon. There doesn't seem to be a list with all possible aesthetic stuff somewhere that i can look at doesn't it? Otherwise i just have to think about it myself i guess lol! Thank you so much for your help!
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>>10012237
it's impossible to list all aesthetic stuff, literally anything can be 'aesthetic' if it's pleasing to the viewer's eye
but common convention aesthetics include kawaii, pastel goth, straight up goth, steampunk, galaxy, and lgbt pride
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>>10012067
If you have enough time/enough followers you could do a con-exclusive pin
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>>10011525
Wow. Back when I first started doing commissions around 2000 (oldfag here), I started with furry boards online and made bank. And I mean innocent content too. Furries must earn decent salaries.
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Curious how many of you have gotten prints with a foil finishing layer and if it pays off. It seems popular for prints online, but are people willing to pay more for a limited run of foil prints at a con?
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>>10011170
I like it because I value the artists I purchase from. I also have a fine art background and it is common practice there.

Although if you or any other artists sign the front, please practice. I have one set of prints that I regret having signed because the signature is so ugly and large and totally does not match the artwork on the print.
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i read the first faq and i'm still confused on how to size acrylic key charms i plan on making. what's your usual canvas size when you draw them? do the suppliers resize it for you when they receive it or...?
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>>10012631
I draw on 3000px squared, but you can just draw them at the size you want them to be? Just remember to set the proper resolution beforehand. And worst case scenario, yes, most suppliers will resize it for you but be prepared for inconsistency or not having exactly what you envisioned.
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How do I not suck at social media?

No matter what website I'm on I'm a nobody talking to an empty void. Twitter is the worst of it
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>>10012779
proactively engage with people. im not likely to interact with a rando's art, but if that rando is a follower who frequently comments and retweets/reblogs/otherwise engages with me first, i'll remember their username and avatar and will often return the favor
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>>10012779
I feel like Twitter is easiest when you have people you know who are already active on it. When I first started using Twitter in earnest, I was lucky to have friends who were already established on there. They would @ me and RT my art and their followers which in turn helped me gain a comfortable following. Having your Twitter handle listed on your business cards and handing them out at cons helps too. If customers post pictures of my booth or merch they bought from me, I make sure to RT and thank them! You gotta engage to have engagement back.
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>>10012795
>Twitter is easiest when you have people you know who are already active on it

And here lies the main problem with Twitter. Get lucky and be friends with someone that is popular
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>>10012796
I guess this depends on your definition of "popular"? Most of my friends had like 1k-ish followers when I first started out which isn't super amazing by Twitter standards. What matters is that you're constantly interacting with other artists. Do you like and RT other artists' tweets? Do you @ them regularly? This is how I ended up making mutuals who also engage with my tweets thus increasing my visibility on that platform.
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>>10012796
> Get lucky and be friends with someone that is popular

People with attitudes like this never get any where. Focusing on only popular people means you will ignore your actual peers and while they slowly gain popularity by doing their thing and being friends with each other you are left in the dust by chasing popular artists who already have a friend circle.
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>>10012901
NAYRT but it's very difficult to control your own visibility on twitter without relying on mutuals so heavily

Instagram and tumblr have a more reliable tag system where you can put yourself out there easier than twitter
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Where do you guys get critique that isn't the discord server in OP?
I don't do cons but I'm just struggling with what I should focus on to improve my art atm.
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>>10013065
Friends or the AANI discord on rare occasion. But usually friends.
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not the original person that brought it up but.. yeah, my problem with twitter is that i have zero friends. zero. nada. not even irl non-art friends. no online friends. i just try to draw and do my thing but it's sad and isolating to try and perform whatever witty banter by yourself. and it feels weird to try and interact with anyone with the slightest bit of following, even if i am leaving a comment that feels genuine to me i feel like i look kissassy and desperate. the 6 followers that i do have i must have gotten by pure luck.
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>>10013087
build up a following on other sites that require less interaction and promo your twitter there, then.
Even if you don't have 'friends' surely you have people you've interacted with at cons and been friendly with? i have a bunch of popular mutuals on twitter just from artists that i've traded with (or they've bought my prints and vice versa) and chatted with for 5 minutes at a con.
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>>10013090
guess i should say i'm new to tabling. meeting people is part of my motivation. fingers crossed.
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>>10013044
Not that anon either, but personally I've found that Twitter has the biggest payout when it comes to social media. I use Twitter, Tumblr, and IG and despite the tagging system and having a fairly decent number of followers, Tumblr always has the lowest engagement for me. This is a recent development though. Tumblr used to be pretty okay in terms of how many notes I received but it seems like it's really hard to get any sort of engagement as of late? Other art friends seem to agree.

I actually have less followers on IG than I do on Tumblr but I get way more consistent engagement on my posts. Twitter I get the most engagement and also quite a bit of my store sales come directly from Twitter. (I think I made almost $4k in sales of a new item I advertised on Twitter recently.) Most of the people who use Tumblr tend to be tweens so I would get notes but not as many people buying as a result of the notes. Whereas if you can get visibility on your tweet, it translates directly into more sales.

So even though Twitter is the hardest out of the three to gain traction in, imo it's also worth the effort.
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i just miss deviantart and neopets and cozy oekaki boards and tegaki-e and stuff like that. i don't get the feeling of community from the internet anymore, it's all hustle and try to increase your own numbers and following. i guess we're all adults with bills now, so it's understandable. life sucks.
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>>10013122
The stuff you're talking about existed on a much smaller internet scale too, since half of that shit existed before broadband became widespread.

But I agree, I still think about that one French oekaki board I shat about on while I was in college with great fondness.
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>>10013122
>i just miss deviantart and neopets and cozy oekaki boards and tegaki-e and stuff like that.
then go back to it? Idk what those last two things are, but the first two are alive and active.
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>>10013109
As (at least, it sounds like you are) an artist on the more popular side, do you find it a bit awkward if random people start @ing you/replying to you/otherwise trying to engage with you?

I'm never sure how to start interacting on Twitter, so I sometimes just comment but it always feels a bit awkward coming out of the blue. I don't purposely "target" popular artists--they just happen to be the ones I admire--but I wonder if I'm just coming off as "this rando who keeps commenting on my pics." I just want to create meaningful online friendships sigh
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>>10013143
I mean as long as you aren't being weird in my DMs or pestering me about my sources, I think it's cool! It's just like interacting with people on any other social media website. I actually really appreciate it when followers leave replies on my Tweets because it drives up visibility for my art! Plus as >>10013122 brought up, I think it helps add to the feeling of community. I've actually followed back smaller artists and non-artists if they frequently engage me on Twitter.

I think it only gets really uncomfortable if you start namedropping people in your tweets for attention (I've totally seen this happen) or you start DM-ing artists you don't really know to try to act buddy-buddy with them when they just consider you a casual acquaintance/fan (Also have seen this happen). If you're just leaving comments like "I adore your use of color in this piece!" or "I love this!" or "I saw you at ___ con! Love your stuff!" I don't think anyone would see that as weird. I also frequently try to post polls and WIPS to encourage my followers to talk to me and give me input on what kind of art and product they would like to see from me. So it's a GOOD thing if you comment on Twitter. That's what artists want.
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>>10013044
True, but again you should be making friends/mutuals with your peers instead of focusing only on popular people is what i'm saying. Like if you have 500 followers but won't bother befriending other people with 500 followers and bemoaning how you're not lucky enough to be friends with someone who has 10k followers. All the while, those 500 follower friends have 1k, 2k, etc and you're still at like 800 because you didn't think it was worth your time to befriend people your level.

>>10013143
It's not weird at all that's the point of twitter. like 75% of your tweets should probably be replies and interaction, not new posts to your wall. But as I said above, you need to also interact with people your level. Support each other and you'll become the next wave of "popular" artists.

Beyond the feel good stuff, it's seriously a numbers game. If I have 10k, 20k, etc.+ followers, on any given picture I could be getting tons of comments, I could have many dedicated followers like you all saying nice things to me. Many even spend money on me. Why would you stand out to befriend? That's why you can't just hope to be friends with popular people, even if we don't think it's weird (it's not!) just numerically we can't befriend every nice follower, it's impossible energy wise.
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>>10013151
nayrt, but the things you listed are generic comments relevant to being engaged as an artist and making sales and etc though, of course you want positive attention on your art. i don't think general asskissing like that nets new friendships, either, unless they stand out because nice art or good following. it's mutually pleasant but not really.. offering anything fun or interesting. but what about a fandom joke or thoughtful response to a daily life tweet, etc? do you like those sort of comments? that's the sort of thing where it brings into question if i'm being overly casual/friendly in a way that's offputting.. i understand that everyone's not interested in becoming buddies with everyone that follows them, so i want to respect that too.
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>>10013164
>but what about a fandom joke or thoughtful response to a daily life tweet, etc? do you like those sort of comments?

I do, but I understand that not everyone does! I think it's fairly easy to gauge what people are/aren't comfortable with if you've been following them for a while and see the sort of stuff they post. I mentioned the art stuff because that seemed most relevant to the thread. I actually disagree about the "asskissing" because I think you can generally tell when someone is asskissing vs genuinely interested in an uplifting community. I try to leave positive comments on my friends' art when I can - especially if they're releasing new merch or running Kickstarters! I've made a lot of mutuals from just being positive and receptive to their work.

I share day-to-day things on my Twitter as well and talk about fandom now and then so it's totally cool for someone to tweet those at me in response to something I've posted. For example, if I post about wanting to see a certain movie, acceptable comments might be along the lines of "Oh that one's really good, you should go!" or "I'd love to hear what you think after!" What I consider overtly friendly/uncomfortable is if a stranger responded with "I'll go with you! When/where?"

Fandom jokes are also fine if it makes sense in the context of what you're replying to. I wouldn't want people randomly @-ing me jokes and memes.

Other people might keep their feed to be more focused on art-only so they might not like banter as much if they don't actively share about their life online.

A good thing to keep an eye out for is if the tweet says something like "mutuals only"! Then you know that it's not appropriate for you to interact w/ that tweet unless you're a mutual etc. Like I've made tweets about wanting to hang out with mutuals and had completely random followers ask to meet up with me IRL which was incredibly uncomfortable on my end.
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>>10013164
>>10013166
Also re: fandom jokes... make sure that they're actually jokes and not just mean comments. I've seen a slew of people being rude to artists in an overfamiliar way because they think it's ajoke and that's what puts a lot of artists off. If you want to make rude jokes you have to have a certain level of friendship built up but if you're coming at it as a stranger than it's just rude and not funny.

For example, calling fanart of certain characters "trash" or mentioning how much you hate xyz character on a drawing of xyz character. Can be totally funny if done by friends you know well, will be super offputting if done by a random follower/acquaintance that you don't know at all.

Just interact with people genuinely. Ask if you're afraid of making someone uncomfortable. I've just straight up had kind people offer to bring me presents at cons who DMd me to ask me if that was okay/if they weren't overstepping any boundaries. I'd much rather have someone ask me what my boundaries are instead of trying to be buddy-buddy with me and failing.
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>>10013166
sorry about the asskissing comment.. i suppose that was uncalled for. general positivity always feels really contrived to me but i need to keep reminding myself that that's just my brain mucking up things making me a shit person. thanks for the advice and taking time to write all this stuff out, i'll keep it in mind.
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>>10013160
Why do you assume I'm chasing popular artists only and not bothering with those with less? I only mention that it seems the way many people gain a following is by being friends with someone with a lot of followers already. Every other way is incredibly hard and sometimes a bigger shot in the dark than other platforms because of its format.
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>>10013239
>it seems the way many people gain a following is by being friends with someone with a lot of followers already
Isn't this just your confirmation bias speaking?
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>>10013065
/ic/ draw thread has a 1 in 4 chance of being helpful

>>10013138
i wouldnt have said DA was active.
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>>10013087
Just wanted to say I’m in the same exact same boat as you.
I only have a few coworker friends who I avoid showing my anime art out of embarrassment.
I started posting doodles on IG/tumblr last year, went MIA for a few months and started posting more fanart stuff again like 4 months ago.
I HATE trying to interact with artists I like for the same reason. It all feels so inauthentic... I really admire the artists I follow, and I’m so grateful for handful of followers that like my shit every time but it’s so hard for me to figure out how to put myself out there without feeling like I’m being a shill.
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>>10013399
/ic/ is only helpful if you are incredibly awful or have notable flaws. Average artists get ignored, skilled artists get asked for their blogs.
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>>10013280
No it isnt but keep assuming things
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>>10013239
NAYRT but again, what do you assume is "a lot of followers"? As I mentioned earlier, most of my friends had ~1k or less followers when I initially joined Twitter. But we all do AA regularly (meaning we do several shows a year and not just like one or two) and have our Twitter listed on our business cards as well as our other social media. By constantly and actively engaging with each other's work and making Twitter friends through artists we traded with at cons now we have significantly more followers.

Do you actually actively post on your Twitter? Do you actively direct your audience toward your Twitter?
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>>10013087
aaaah yeah I'm also on a similar boat. I have exactly 2 irl friends on Twitter, neither of which I'm really that close with/have much in common so we don't interact much. So when I do try to post, or interact with other artists, it's actually quite lonely cause it feels very one-sided, and it just becomes tiring trying to keep going. Even when I post pieces I'm really proud of (and I'm not THAT bad of an artist...I hope haha) that might otherwise encourage people to interact back with me, I get idk, 1 like, or if I'm SUPER lucky, 10. It's just this cycle I guess that discourages me from posting/being more active. It probably all stems from this stupid need to be validated...
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>>10013555
Anon, try joining the /cgl/ AA discord or even the AANI discord. The /cgl/ discord has a list of social media for all the artists who go here and I've followed a bunch of fellow seagulls on Twitter.

Or try posting to places that have a better tagging system like Tumblr or IG and direct followers to your Twitter from there.
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My best method to meet and connect with artists on twitter is the same with people anywhere else:
>common interests
>common fandoms
>similar humor
>have mutuals
>don't ignore non-artists
>don't act like you have ulterior motives
I'm friends with artists with skill levels lower and higher than mine and non-artists who have introduced me to other artists or promoted me a lot. Share wips, join zines, RT merch and artists you like, be friendly and engaged. Avoid drama and maintain a friendly distance from "problematic" artists regardless of how popular they are.
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>>10013562
Different anon, but would it be a dumb move to join the cgl Discord if you posted your art here and everyone hated it?

I enjoy reading the AA thread, and I gain a lot of valuable information here, so I've always wanted to join the Discord. I don't want to set myself up for targeting though if gulls don't like my art (even though I've been improving since I posted).
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>>10013562
>better tagging systems like IG
So I shyed away from doing a wall of hashtags like most people suggest until a little while ago. I ended up getting a ton more interactions/followers from doing it but the other day one of my posts got shadowbanned (post didn’t show up under any hashtags, even unpopular ones), the next day I posted another thing and my hashtags worked again but it scared me.
I’d expect constantly using super popular tags like “dog” or “fitness” to eventually get you banned, but can posting your artwork under stuff like “illustration” or “anime” do that too??
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>>10013571
What is considered a "problematic" artist?
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>>10013239
Probably because you keep bringing it up. I mean i'm not sure which person you are but i literally just outlined how to do it without chasing popular people, it's not a shot in the dark at all. Connect and support your peers. You eventually become the next cohort of popular people. That's how it works. You think the same 27 year old artists will never give way to the next wave of 22 year olds who then give way to the next wave of 16 year olds?

(The ages aren't that important, just saying that this stuff happens in waves, nothing is set in stone)

I just feel like people expect popularity to just fall on their lap, when in reality for 98% of people it's after a very obvious long and consistent, well documented stint of frequent content production and socialization before they can get some where so they don't have to post so often as they once did. You see them at the current stage but didn't see when they were hustling.
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>>10013576
I mean I feel like everyone on the discord is pretty civil. Everyone's got names and their brand identity attached to their discord accounts so no one is going to drag you like they do here. Anonymity often lets people be nasty in the threads. You might get some honest critique in the discord but no one is going to go out of their way to be nasty to you.
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>>10013592
It's for you to gauge, I couldn't think of a better word lol but toxic might be better. Don't burn bridges but don't get hurt either.
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>>10013592
Nayrt but I wouldn’t get too involved with artists who constantly spew political opinions, even if you agree with them. Or artists who throw shade/are constantly negative about things. Not just for “reputation” but to also surround yourself with positivity.
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>>10011866
What was the advice you got that helped you earn x3 at cons? That sounds interesting.
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>>10013087
Treat it like a shop Twitter or convert it into one, anon. Just be like "I'm working on some new charms! They'll be released 7-11." Show progress pics of art or new merchandise, talk about coupons or potential sales, do contests or "Retweet this and tell me your favorite character from x show to potentially win a free item" and things like that.

I'm in a similar boat where I just very recently lost all my asshole friends. I still have plenty of offline ones, but my online ones actually actively trash me. I really empathize with having "A twitter I just banter on to myself" since my old personal was like that so I just deleted it. I'd probably just deactivate it or convert it to something else if I were you, but don't even try to banter with yourself because it'll just make you feel awful.

Maybe just make a new shop Twitter you keep pretty cool and professional. You might just get some fans which is a great way to build back to being social. It's a kind of a fun one-sided, no commitment type of relationship to have with people. They tend to look up to you on top of it. I know I really love the feeling after burning through a toxic group that just looked down at me.
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So who are some of the newer or lesser known artists/store fronts that you think have potential to be the next big thing? Who might be the next Saikimichan or Omocat? Can be for prints, clothing, charms, acrylic/enamel pins ect
I’m curious to see everyone’s predictions!
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>>10013087
The 'trick' I've found to getting more interactions is to be generous with my likes and follows (at least at first). Interact with the fellow fans in your chosen fandom and by that, I emphasize non-artists. Who is going to RT your stuff? Mostly non-artists (well, unless you're someone like krenz).

I also found that most of my art mutuals are gained at cons, where we can chat face to face first. I usually bring up a 'Hey, do you have social media? Twitter?' and then we exchange follows on the spot. Twitter- or any social media platform for the matter- grows kinda exponentially? You start out slow, but at a certain point, the pace starts to pick up as your followers talk to their followers and so on. In the slow beginning, you have to remember to be diligent and pro-active.
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>>10013593
>tfw already most of the way to 27 but still have no artist friend circle or even a small but stable group of fans
Guess I'll just die lol

And I know popularity isn't the end all be all of art, it's just kind of a bummer. I admit I'm total garbage at social media-ing, so really I brought this upon myself.
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>>10013796
God sorry lol that's why i said the ages didn't matter that was just an abstract thing to show what i meant woops. 27 isn't too late for anything especially since lots of artists are now in their 30s, I believe in you anon!
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Is tracing cars, bikes, mechanical parts/ armor okay, especially when the original item is from a photo or canon in measurements? I feel like professional artists do it and might be more normal than I think but I’m not sure.
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>>10013768
What was the previous "thing" to Sakimi/Omocat? The thing is, I don't think there will be a "next" omocat or sakimi, because they already took those places. I think the thing that becomes big next will be something wholly unpredictable and will take a space that most wouldn't anticipate. Someone's not just going to rocket to popularity doing a cool new style of shirt or enamel pin. I think they will offer something totally unique and fill a space that most of us can't see, or we'd be filling it ourselves.
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>>10013826
Professional artists do this shit all the time. I try to skew the perspective and edit things so it's not 1:1 to the photos but I still rely on it a lot. It's not if you are copying too closely and infringing on the photographer, or copying art. But tracing things like cars or buildings, if you make enough modification to it to make it your own, is perfectly acceptable in the industry. A lot of people will try to tell you it's not okay to trace at all, but it's because they're weird purists who don't think art should have any shortcuts. But prof artists know that 90% of prof art is shortcuts. They're necessary in order to deliver work on time which looks good, which is more important that making "pure" art.
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>>10013837
One caveat, most of the time when this is done in the industry it's for concept art, internal art or art for development not the final asset. A lot of time in comics it's done with free models or free use photos, paid for cheap resource photos or self taken photos too. Rarely would someone being contracted to draw a print for an official IP be straight tracing or photobashing things for the final product from google images or some such.
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>>10013835
>fill a space that most of us can't see, or we'd be filling it ourselves
Pretty much this.
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>>10013871
>Rarely would someone being contracted to draw a print for an official IP be straight tracing or photobashing things for the final product from google images or some such.
You must be in an industry that has a lot more integrity and time than the ones I've been in.
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>>10013837
Thank you anon, this is what I thought but hearing some else say it makes me feel a lot better.
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Is anyone else's tumblr interaction plummeting? While I'm exponentially increasing on other social media, my tumblr has been slowly dwindling from thousands of likes to dozens. I don't know if it's something I'm doing wrong, or if it's just not a popular platform anymore.
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>>10014069
I think it's because tumblr itself seems to be losing popularity. If you're doing fine on other sites, that's a good indication that it's not you, it's just tumblr dying out.
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>>10014069
I’m severely dying on there too, I just gave up a week or two ago.
Tumblr is the next deviantart, it’s fucking already dead to be honest. Move on now if you can.
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>>10013896
NAYRT I'm not sure just how much is traced based on what you said but it sounds like your current line of business is a ticking time bomb. Tracing an existing photo or large portions of an existing photo covered under copyright is not transformative enough to be covered under fair use.

>>10013871
This anon gets it.
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>>10013592
google thumbcramps or skimlines
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>>10014158
Different anon but I'd assume if they took the photo or owned the rights to it then there shouldn't be any issue, which is how I see a lot of professionals tackling the situation (outside of concept artists)
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>>10014161
Well yeah but that's not the issue here. It's taking something random off of Google or some other place and tracing that without knowing if it falls under public domain or a creative commons license.
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>>10013592
depending on your audience, it could mean anyone who likes ‘problematic’ ships or fanfiction or whatever the fuck. if you’re trying to sell to young teens you want your image as squeaky clean as possible because those kids will tear you the fuck down in a heartbeat
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>>10014160
Yet thumbcramps still gets into cons. Her art is trash too. I don't get it.
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>>10014192
NYART but I've said this here and I'll say it again, the drama that gets posted here means nothing in the long run. None of the vendettas against artists get anywhere because no one in the real world cares. Avoiding problematic artists should only be what the OP meant ( >>10013611 )which is as they said more like toxic artists that could personally hurt you in some way. Not artists 4chan of all places thinks are sjws or whatever gossip they have. Far worst people have gotten and will continue to get tables and make money.
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>>10014222
Also not any of the anons you mentioned but people don’t hate thumcramps and skimlines because they’re “sjws”. Thumbcramps has literally drawn racist caricatures (which is, you know, actually harmful) and tried to compare fatphobia to like... actual racism. Skimlines tried to assert that anime cons should give preferential treatment to As-Am artists and also pushes a weird pan-Asian theory which again, is harmful because it backs the idea of an asian monolith.

Like even from a SJW point of view, they’re both kind of terrible. I don’t even think political posts from artists are necessarily a bad thing since art and politics are inherently tied together and artists are human beings after all. The two you’ve mentioned just tend to be incredibly rude and rather misinformed about what they’re shilling.
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>>10014222
I'm the anon you responded to and >>10014241 is more what I was getting at. Most artists in AA are sjws, I don't care about that. It's more being an outright terrible person like Thumbcramps who isn't even liked by other sjws on top of having garbage art.
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So AANI mods just posted about wanting respect from all of us. I always seem to miss the posts they complain about, especially alleged death threats. But lol, knowing some of the people on the mod staff for AANI, them asking for respect is so ironic. One of them is as bad as skimlines and openly talks shit about other people in public.
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Just got my pins back from the enamel pin factory. I order 40/40/10/10 of design colors and they ended up sending me 25 of each. Plus a fourth of them are bad quality. I would not recommend using them.
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>>10014549
why pay middle man prices for direct to factory quality and mistakes,yikes
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>>10014549
So which manufacturer is this? You didn't specify which one you wouldn't recommend.
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>>10014557
>the enamel pin factory
Literally called https://enamelpinfactory.com/
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>>10014560
Oh damn I'm sorry anon
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>>10014556
Yeah this was my first enamel pin experience, not a good start.
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>>10014569
Yea.. I would expect this kind of stupid from my direct manus, you might as well pick a random one from alibaba if this is what middle men give. Although are they at least fixing this for you??
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>>10014222
jesus when did this group become so sensitive, you're worse then the aani mods
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>>10014622
I am tired of dealing with them. I just went ahead and filed a PP dispute. They kept fucking up my proof numerous times and had terrible communication. Time to find a new manufacturer.
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>>10014661
uh.. what? are you sad you're irrelevant?

>>10014664
Good luck! That's fucked up, I have no idea how that can even happen. Like paying for a middle man is paying for perfect english communication, I've NEVER had to ask a manu to change a proof more than once. Sorry this experience seems to get worse the more you talk about it, it's really not that bad even with direct to factory.
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>>10014158
>Tracing an existing photo or large portions of an existing photo covered under copyright is not transformative enough to be covered under fair use.
I'm the anon you replied to, and I don't know why you assumed this is what I meant. I do mean pics you take yourself, or stock that is royalty free or paid for. Worst case scenario, I will photobash a bunch of different references from multiple sources so the end result doesn't look anything like the references. There are a lot of ways to "trace" and use photo reference that are totally acceptable. Most professional artists know not to grab a copy of Vogue and start copying the models and car ads for their professional work.
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>>10014079
Where exactly are the tumblrites going to, though? There's nothing really like it to replace it.
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>>10014732
Spreading out probably, Instagram, Twitter, Discord etc.
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What would y'all price 40cmx40cm pillows? A lot of pillows on the market are ~18cmx30cm and go for $25 single-sided, but I'm not sure what I should price mine at since they're visually twice the size and double-sided.

Do y'all ever lower your prices on your +$30 items for smaller conventions? I'm doing a local convention at a college and the attendees are mainly students. My profit margin on the items is definitely safe if I lower my prices a tad, but I'm not sure if that's bad business practice or something?
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>>10014819
I've done this in the past and I know people who do this regularly. Personally, I currently am too lazy to do this (making new signs etc), but also wouldn't look down on anyone who chooses to. The only issue is running into a customer who bought something at a higher price from you before and see you selling it lower.
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>>10014819
You could frame it as a "hometown discount" or something, like it's a special occasion for a local con. Would save from the awkwardness >>10015089 described with any returning customers and might net a couple sales from people who feel like they're getting a special deal.
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Anyone know if Vograce has limits to what they'll print? I want to get some edgy charms of a character after a battle, sword and armor covered in bloody monster guts.
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>>10014360
The mods are all autistic hyper sensitive retards that have no saving grace. I remember meeting Nancy at an indie creators conference a few years back, she smelled like literal sweat and feet up close and wasn't acknowledging anyone that walked by her table. Doesn't help that she looks like simply sara in a neon wig.
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>>10013044
>>10014079
I've had a huge drop in tumblr activity too. How likely do you think it is that it will go the way of MySpace and everything disappears from it?
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>>10014819
My pillows are about 40x40. I just do $30, 2 for $50
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>>10014819
>>10015369
My 35cm x 25cm pillows are $30. I've seen bigger pillows go for $35~$40 in the AA. Also second anon - if you plan on keeping them at $30, try doing 2 for $55 instead of $50! It's actually surprising how fast that extra $5 adds up.
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>>10015217
Very. Or it'll stay around but have an unlikable connotation to it -- "the site for SJWs with 1000 genders, BL lovers, and furries"
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>>10015204
I don't think you'll have any problems printing those, but might have trouble with selling them since I don't think stuff like that can be openly displayed in most cons and you'll have to tag it pretty carefully when selling online.
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>>10015394
>"the site for SJWs with 1000 genders, BL lovers, and furries"
I've noticed recently that all of those people have moved heavily to twitter recently. Tumblr has felt like it has improved a lot recently.
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>>10015596
I was the anon in a couple threads ago, in July, that had a callout post made about me being a threat and dangerous because I drew a clothed leash and collar picture of a character. I feel like it got worse and thar Purity culture is just spreading.
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>>10015596
This, I feel like twitter is just the new tumblr, but with even more users and diverse drama. Due to the format people don't write entire essays on callouts and SJW rants anymore, but it's pretty much the same petty drama just in one-liner format.
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Any suggestions on getting more interaction on instagram besides tagging? I seem to have stagnated and I'm not sure how to get a wider audience.
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>>10015765

>Due to the format people don't write entire essays on callouts and SJW rants anymore, but it's pretty much the same petty drama just in one-liner format.

My dude it's worse. It's essays, but spaced over 100 lines 200 characters each. Their word vomit is even less organized that way because they can't actually see how much fucking space their poorly thought content takes up.
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>>10015967
collab with someone or find someone popular and send them free stuff.
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Gulls, do any of you have experience with Anime Boston's Pro Row? Is there like an actual hard percentage of how much of your table has to be original? I remember seeing a bunch of fanart at pro row tables and their rules are kind of vague.
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>>10015213
Oh hey Stefanie
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Etsy is doing a test run of changing thumbnail sizes. Really annoying that they do this. Some of my thumbnails look awful now.
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>>10016025
Example of the change for those that don't see it. This shop has been affected the worst from what I have seen.
Only a few of my items will need to get new thumbnails if this change stays in affect, but I can't imagine the people with hundreds of more of items that look like pic related and they have to edit all of them. I don't even like square images.
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>>10015975
I fucking hate twitter. Yes, tumblr is also a hive of cancer but the format of the platform itself is good for posting and presenting art, and in it's heyday it was great for your art to gain traction.

Twitter is just awful for presenting anything but literal stream of consciousness. Finding art by tags is hopeless and the platform itself forces you to hustle more than you did before because just tagging your art with fandoms and characters are likely to be ignored compared to acquaintances and prolific artists retweeting your stuff.





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