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Still less drama than the fursuit threads edition

Previous thread >>9993939

Itabag FAQ and Beginners Guide - DO NOT POST YOUR QUESTION IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THIS FIRST
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XjbF7suzx1tE5pbK4HslTSpxjyD3YegkqfWIi8zekwc/edit?usp=sharing

Old thread archives
>https://warosu.org/cgl/?task=search2&search_subject=itabag&search_op=op&search_ord=new

Buyf/a/g Guide
>buyfag.moe

Discord Link
>https://pastebin.com/raw/uyMYVnPe

Bootlegs are never OK to buy and use, don't be a poorfag.
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Also if your gonna attention whore at least whore your bag not your mental breakdowns
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Gorgeous right? When wego took all their bags down I was worried we wouldn't see any cute diorama bags again.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpZlijtHJ2g/
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dropped my pic already going well
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>>10022241
what hashtags do twitter users use?
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>>10022244
痛バ and 痛バッグ for the JP ones, they don't take kindly to foreigners posting in those tags though.
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>>10022255
This is too cute, I’ve been considering doing a cute mascot character bag just for cuteness appeal and makes me look less like a fujoshit than anime boys.
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>>10022255
Jesus christ this is the cutest thing I've ever seen
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>Selling BNHA merch
>it's taking noticeably longer for people to buy/claim items
>See it happen to other sellers too

Not too long ago people were rabid for merch. It could be that most people have all the stuff they want for their character
but I do wonder if the BNHA fandom is coming close to hitting it's peak...
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>>10022255
Aaaaaa cute
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>>10022736
I think it's had it's peak with fujos and their wallets, like YOI it got to the point of oversaturation.
Unlike YOI it's still ongoing and seems to be gaining traction with normies, but the anime is currently not airing and the fact that it's becoming a casual series might turn big spending people off it too.
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Yeah, they're releasing a stupid amount of merch for My Hero all the time and I think about where does it all go y'know?
The market is so over saturated that sellers/buyers have more merch than they know what to do with. Like, even though it's still pretty popular I'm starting to see more and more people trying to sell off piles of acrylic keychains/buttons/preorders of semi popular characters.


>>10022768
>seems to be gaining traction with normies
>it's becoming a casual series might turn big spending people off it too.

Oh for sure, I'll admit it's getting a little irritating at this point but that's what comes with being into a very popular series
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>>10022768
If you honestly loved a series you wouldn't care if it was airing. But I'm really not surprised the band wagons are fucking off, can't wait to see them try sell the nendos
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>>10022786
>If you honestly loved a series you wouldn't care if it was airing.
Yeah, and it's still a popular series by all metrics but bandwagoners are getting tired of it and less willing to buy merch because there's just too much of it already.
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>>10022790
This is why I don't host box splits anymore in general, it's too much hassle and getting flakes is even worse
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>>10022786
>see them try to sell nendos

Oof I forgot about those
I think they’d probably still sell at a stupidly high price, weebs really love nendoroids above all merch
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>>10022891
Nendos are different than acrylic keychain and button number 234. They will still sell.
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>>10022736
You have to wait for the next season to start. Anime only fans are only active while its broadcasting. Their hype dies down in between.
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Is anyone planning any outfits/costumes to go with their bags for Halloween ?
I’m just going full weeb and dressing up as my husbando to match my bag.
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>>10023369
That's such a cute idea anon! Sadly I was at work all through Halloween, maybe next year I'll put up a small spooky shrine. The real irony is my husbando is terrified of anything remotely scary.
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>>10022249
>they don't take kindly to foreigners posting in those tags though
What do you mean?
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>>10024360
It means don't post your shitabag to the japanese tag you weeaboo fuck
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>>10025108
recently finished my Junkrat and roadhog bag. It’s all fan merch but that’s just how it be
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>>10025110
Not sure if you're wilfully ignorant or what but there are official Junkrat and Roadhog pins you could've used.
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Looks like Co-kan is launching a Kickstarter to buy more bag colors off Taobao.
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>>10025208
What?! Did they not make enough money with their 100x Mark up on badge covers etc?

Fucking hell why do people support them
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>>10025208
>Looks like Co-kan is launching a Kickstarter to buy more bag colors off Taobao.
It seems like they have a partnership or something and are paying them to make new colors or models. It figures since they've been doing it for a year that things would come to this.

>>10025270
>Fucking hell why do people support them
The owners are nice people. They provide support, and they try to help people get into the hobby. I met & chatted with them a bit at sacanime, which is the only convention they go to for some reason...

I mean, you guys are welcome to be bitter about everything and all, but that's why nobody posts in these threads anymore.
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>>10025108
I don't know if you're open for suggestions but I'd recommend getting a bag with no glitter. It doesn't fit the characters and it obscures the merch.
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>>10025325
It's also a bootleg.
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>>10025281
They could be the nicest people on planet earth, and I still wouldn't support scalping fucks like them. Sorry not sorry.
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>>10025350
>scalping
I guess I don't get this train of thought. I see it a lot in this hobby.

Let's say you're shopping at Trader Joe's. You see a can of corn. Are you mad at trader joe's for "scalping" a can of corn? Clearly they didn't make that can of corn - they're buying someone else's corn and reselling it under their own name.

All they're doing is white labeling. It's totally normal. If you want to buy your canned corn from del monte, nobody is stopping you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-label_product
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>>10025358
They're taking advantage of the people that are too lazy and/or stupid to actually take the time and learn how to buy from Taobao themselves.
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>>10025366
You’re right, they’re taking the advantage to sell directly to people who don’t want to take the time and effort to go through taobao.
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>>10025366
I don’t see the point in trying to shield lazy stupid people from taobao resellers when most of these people just have bad bags full of bootleg/unofficial merch
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>>10025366
see:
>>10025370

Personally, I'm hoping that eventually they'll do something worthwhile. At least they're trying.
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>>10025370
>>10025377
I didn’t mean it in a way that those people can’t buy from Taobao, I just think it’s kinda crappy to make your money off of what some consider boderline scamming people.

I’m more concerned for the people who are new to the hobby and start blindly buying. I guess that’s how you learn though.
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>>10024387
I wanted to know if there are any cases of Japanese people saying this or just Western folks here are speculating about it
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>>10025281
>wheh no one posts because you guys are meanies about scalpers and me wanting to be lazy whehh

To tell you the truth love, they could be the nicest people on earth but their still scalpers and charging awful prices for cheap products. People aren’t visiting this thread for other more logical reasons brought up previously, not in case they see co-kan hate(it’s a meme of these threads for a while, where the fuck have you been?).
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>>10025281
>they have a partnership or something and are paying them to make new colors or models
is there proof of this on the KS? i'm doubtful if not because they have yet to offer anything exclusive bag-wise, not counting the overpriced cuts of foam you can buy along with them. that's not partnership, that's just reselling.
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>>10025281
>one owner is an open pedophile
>nice people.

Okay.
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Last thread someone wanted a review of the Coffin bag I had preordered.
The preorder wasn't god awful since the creators had the decency to keep people mostly up to date on the status of the bags. There was a shipping delay due to customs holding the bags so many people got their orders on or after Halloween it seems.

I ordered the winless version with the glitter in black. Like the other bag I got from a "Instabagger", it was shipped in a plastic bag however the bag itself was covered in padding to protect the window. No dents or transfer this time. The material is advertised to feel like suede. It feels like fresh craft foam. The glitter seems to be mostly on but there's a tiny amount on my hands from handling already. It is very small as you can see (12oz Poland Spring for size) but it can hold the essentials like phone/wallet/keys. This bag is also nice because the window opens all the way the fuck up and has 2 zippers so you can secure them near permanently if you like your arrangement enough. It also lets to customize how it hangs, being a 3 way bag. The construction is solid and its quite cute, so I actually really recommend this if you want a small spooky themed bag.
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>>10025453
So what's the actual sauce on this? Rebeccablack archives has nothing except (you) repeating this over and over, so I was just wondering
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>>10025281
No they don't have a partnership they're literally buying the bags in bulk to resell them.

Co-kan are not nice people, they're scammers and pedophiles. We've been through this a million times before they've admitted to owning, drawing and supporting child pornography under the defence of "you're just salty". They were outright BANNED from tictail for trying to sell pedophilia content then lied to twitter about their store being pulled for another reason.

Liars, pedophiles, scammers =/= nice people
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>>10025475
She's said she's attracted to little boys a few times on her Twitter but its honestly nothing. Can't tell you her Twitter for you to do digging cause I don't know it but honestly the scalping is a worse offense.
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>>10025485
Shit boi you missed the itabag central discord drama where the channel got deleted twice people of co-kan sending white knights to defend pedophilia for them. Turned out one of them was actually Sonia using a sock account too.

Anon check the warosu archive for the caps and saltyplus on Twitter, though they've been suspended a few times and had tweets deleted already lmao
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It's a dark day when you walk into a cgl thread to find people honestly defending those who support, encourage and produce sexual content of minors.

Wake the fuck up guys this is never ok.
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>>10025490
Lmao I don't Fuck with discord but that's pretty fitting that she would do something like that. She seems to just wanna hide behind others to continue her bullshit.
Its unfortunate but she's going to keep getting money because tumblrites want shit fast and easy, rather than learning to use taobao and having a set of morals.
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>>10025366
Is this a thing people think? I know good brought over are marked up. Even your Japanese merch is marked up! Your online shopping service marks up what you buy as well, so they make a cut. If I am buying at a con from a reseller, I am paying for that convenience. You bet your ass I am lazy, I don't want to deal with the online hassle!
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>>10025526
SA
Didn't know all the other shit about this seller, I shoulda read the entire thread first... Well then. :(
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>>10025539
Honestly, drama isn't always a terrible thing, it can expose some shady bullshit and bad behavior. And in a hobby based on investing in merch and a shrine in which to display, knowing who is safe to give money to can be important. The same with scammers. If people don't get what they pay for, a witch hunt of sorts is pretty reasonable.
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>>10025145
yes two whole pins for an entire bag
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>>10025625
What's your point?
You didn't even include one of these official pins, and your bag is a bootleg as well. This isn't a place that cares for fanmerch or bootleg wego bags, much less both at once.
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>>10022180
holy shit i love this
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>>10025635
I thought I’d seen it all on cgl but someone sperging over a bag takes the cake. Don’t be a brand whore over a dumb bag with a window in it Brenda, damn
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>>10025675
>supporting original designs over knockoffs that destroy the market means you're a brand whore
wew lad
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>>10025675
You don't belong here. Bootlegs aren't supported in any capacity in most hobbies on this site, go back to Facebook.
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>>10025675
Ah yes because an official $30 itabag base is the same as the $300 lolita bands. The bootlegs cost more than the official of you buy them at cons and from scalpers.

A lot of the companies that make bases that have been bootlegged are just small companies not behemoths like btsb. Some have even had to go bankrupt because of bootlegging.

Tldr: we don't take kindly to bootlegs in these parts hun
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>>10025635
Not that guy but those pins are ugly, official or not. If I was making an OW bag I wouldn't use them either.
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>>10025675
Have fun when your straps and zipper break off your overpriced bootleg
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>>10025675
Every thread in the OP
>Bootlegs are never OK to buy and use, don't be a poorfag.

OW has very limited amounts of official merch because Blizzard doesn't really churn out stuff like that, yes. But everything in your bag looks thrown together. Like you went through one isle at a con and bought whatever had Junkrat on it. Reaper anon has multiple bags that look quite lovely and don't look like they were found in HotTopics clearance section. There's no care in the layout and like the others said, a generic bootleg will only last but so long. If you can't get a Wego, theres BerryQ, Swimmer, BlueRoboto, and more sellers to choose from. Being a cheapass sacrifices quality which is really a translation for "I don't care about this. I'm just here because its popular not because I love it."
Making excuses instead of making changes is why you don't belong here.
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I rececently bought the idolish7 purin bag and was wondering how/if people managed to use an insert with it? I don't want to pierce the purin face, but there isn't really a place for an insert to sit.
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>>10025708
Different values I guess. I would rather use repeat ugly official merchandise for a coherent layout than fight with fanmerch.
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>>10025877
I glued velcro to the back of the purin insert and then velcroed my fabric to it so I could use the hooks that come with the bag.
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>>10024387
You're a moron if you unironically believe Japanese bags are somehow better just because they're Japanese.
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>>10025906
Its just basic Xenophobia, you dip. They don't like invaders.
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>>10025910
You’re going to have to offer an example because going through the actual tag it looks like they’re more delighted than anything that westerners got into the hobby.
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>>10025635
Further proof the itabag community is full of autists. No wonder this thread keeps dying
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>>10025927
>thinking just the itabag comm cares about bootlegs
>an expectation of quality is autism
You're just new, butthurt, or both. Fuck off.
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>>10025927
t. Facebook

>>10025918
>delighted
You can't claim that and not post screenshots either.
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>>10025836
It's interesting how the "no bootlegs" policy has changed in the past year or so. I remember people discussing how they liked some bootleg bags over the originals, even though it was understood bootleg merch was awful. It really took a lot of brands going under for the general sentiment to change.
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>>10025937
>implying quality fanmerch doesn't exist
>implying official merch always looks good

Not butthurt, just kinda laughing about spergs who think their anime keychains are that much better than someone else's anime keychains.
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>>10025959
the hobby is supposed to be about loving something and even the nicest fan merch doesn't support things directly sooo...
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>>10025964
To be fair, buying merch secondhand also doesn't support things directly but we do it anyways.
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>>10025967
yeah, but ultimetly that's one unit already moved vs 0 with fan merch.
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>>10025967
Don't change the fact someone bought the merchandise and supported the series originally. Buying second hand also doesn't cause harm to industries like bootlegs do.

This isn't even a debate, it's a matter of fact and anyone dumb enough to defend knock offs needs a bullet to the head. Not that it'd be effective because they'd probably have a bootleg gun that cocks the bullet.
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>>10025980
I meant vs fan merch, not bootlegs. Bootlegs are sold with the intention to replace sales of the merch they're bootlegging, so they're obviously worse. Fanmerch is a grayer area, and I personally don't mind if it's a series without much merch or only ugly merch.

Of course, a lot of fanmerch is ugly too, which doesn't exactly help.
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>>10025955
You're not wrong. Back then people also really liked the glitter panels until they realized they obscure merch.
Its different than say the lolita replica debate where this was an almost immediate impact on the market. One brand entirely started pulling and discontinuing the production of window bags. The indie presence is also pretty apparent with the Sakura bags as an example.

But like I said before 2 years ago there weren't as many options as there are now. Good quality handmade and custom bags are available as well as good condition second hand wego and swimmer bags. The same goes for merch. Bootlegs at this point really should be shunned because there's basically no excuse for it other than pure laziness.
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>>10025964
I absolutely adore the character I bag for and I buy both official AND fan merch. In my case, keeping the fandom alive is as important as buying the merch released by the company so producing or buying fan merch helps a lot. The game should have died long ago but, thanks to the active fandom, we are still getting new content. Also, there's super cute fan merch while the official merch isn't baggable material.
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>>10026122
but you buy both, anon, that was clearly directed at people who only buy fanmerch.
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>>10025984
I think the consensus is if your series has official merch buy that, if it doesn't you don't have a choice. But when you got people using fanmerch for anything like YOI, BNHA, etc. You know they're a lazy ho
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>>10025959
>sperg
Using that word isn't going to make you look like you belong.
In any case, fanmerch are made by different artists using their own unique palettes. Yes, that sparkly pastel keychain based on the fandom's beloved angels AU is gorgeous, but your layout is going to be ugly when you place it next to your desaturated semirealistic buttons and neon color pixel-style keychains.

>>10025967
It does help if the person is an active supporter of that franchise. It's more money for them to spend on that series. If you consider participating in splits to be buying merchandise secondhand, then that could mean the difference between a box being bought or not.

>>10025984
In the Japanese fandom, fanmerch is considered harmful to a series because it fights for a market that's already occupied by the official distributors. That's why most merch tend to be event exclusive or have an extremely limited online run (usually event leftovers).
That being said, most western franchise don't participate in that market and fanmerch are welcomed to fulfill that niche. However, there are some series that do produce merch. Let's use Undertale as an example. Say the buyer like Sans, but his enamel pin is only sold in a set of four with other characters the buyer doesn't care about. So the buyer looks around on Tictail and finds that this fanartist is selling a Sans enamel pin for $12. It's $7 saved for the casual buyer, but it's also a $12 loss for Fangamer and Toby Fox.
Of course this is all hypothetical. But the point is that when a buyer actively chooses unofficial producers over official producers, it becomes a problem.
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Not sure if producing existing bags with different colors exempt them from the first one, but the repackaged safety pins and chains should be prohibited.
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>>10026210
>without adding anything new or aiming to iterate on the idea in any way
>in any way

>repackaged safety pins and chains should be prohibited
>repackaged

Packaging, assembling, and counting are considered minor "iterations" in kickstarter's eyes. They'll get away with it. Yikes.
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>>10026173
1. What do you think Comiket is?
2. Someone can buy both official and fanmerch.

I don't like fanmerch in itabags at all, but your arguments are retarded and in the end, it boils down to taste.
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>>10026173
I think the size of the series is also a factor in how acceptable fanmerch is. Undertale is pretty big for an indie, but it's still an indie. It honestly pisses me off when people to bags for stuff like DDLC with only fanmerch, when 1. merch sales are one of the only ways they make profit and 2. there's an effort to release merch that's good for bagging, like buttons and acrylic charms.

But Overwatch? It's a game by a massive company, and those pin sales are a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the stuff they sell. I can't really bring myself to feel bad for them, especially when there's no real attempt to make stuff that isn't ugly.
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>>10026259
1. Doujinshi and doujin goods are two different markets. Only the most popular of artists walk away with a profit in Comiket. Most artists go there for exposure and to geek out.
2. No dip, except my post talk about on why it's bad if someone chooses to buy fanmerch OVER official merch, such as the Roadrat bagger.
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>>10026275
Sure Blizzard can afford it more than an indie creator, but supporting the creators is the spirit of itabagging. Saying "It’s all fan merch but that’s just how it be" feels like a deliberate jab. Even if they don't want to put Blizzard's ugly merch in their bag, the least they can do is display them off to the side.
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>>10026281
That's fair. I think displaying the bag with figures would be good too; It shows that the series is still being supported, but they look better, and it's reasonable that they wouldn't fit in the bag.
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Does anybody have any articles or blogs (english or japanese) explaining how the anime merch industry works?

I'm curious because I keep seeing people say that official merch supports a series. But as far as I know, that's not how the licensing system works and the only thing you're providing to the publisher/creators is advertisement and word of mouth recommendations.
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>>10026296

Anon. The answer is already in your comment.

Licensing. This is where the merchandise manufacturer pays the publisher/creator for the right to use their IP. This is the basis where they claim it is "official merchandise", they paid the licensing fee, the publisher/creators are getting money for it and therefore they give their endorsement to the official goods.

This is the portion of your money that directly flows to the creator/publisher, how do you need more explanation on how this works??

Not only that, but the more popular a series is, the more manufacturers want to sell official merch, because they won't pay licensing for something that nobody will buy. So the amount of money the publisher/creator directly gets from licensing also tells them how well that particular IP is doing. If the goods are selling out everywhere then it must be super popular, so then it's in the publisher/creator's best interest to extend another season, another arc or another game/sequel to keep interest going so that they can sell another licence. And that's how you're encouraging them to make more content -- but this only works if you're buying official merch to keep sales up to show that licensing is worth keeping that series on air/in print.

This is probably more obvious if you're living in Japan and can directly see the effects. Some Boyfriend game I was playing had an event where you can directly vote for your favorite Boyfriend and then only the top three will get candy produced. The software makers certainly aren't the ones manufacturing the candy, but you can directly see how if you support a particular character, pay money for extra votes for him, buy all of his candy (the entire candy line for all characters sold out completely on the day of release), then he'll have more appearances in the storyline, more cards, more stories you can read, more everything, because everything you buy directly shows he's worth making content for.
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>>10026296

In addition to >>10026320 here are some links:
https://goboiano.com/heres-money-actually-made-anime
https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/26724/how-much-do-mangaka-profit-from-anime-or-merchandise-sales/

How credible these sources are up to you.
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Good luck to all the anons trying to get merch from i7's latest ichikuji!
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I understand hating bootlegs but really, do you need to be so fucking aggressice about someone making a bag with fanmerch? This is painful to watch. Why are you all so hostile?
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Not OP,
Just wondering how can you tell that the bag is not the original from wego?
Are the bootlegs bad quality or the same? Aren't they produced in the same factory? The wego bag isn't even that expensive
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>>10026349
"No1 is as special as me and my hobby!" is basically what it boils down to. This entire thread is cringe t b h
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>>10026320
>>10026331
I see, that makes sense. Thanks.
The stackexchange article was something I haven't read before.

I'm gonna continue playing devil's advocate and ask: do we have any solid data that people (if given a choice) will choose to buy fan merch over official merch?

In other words: as a creator, should I be worried about fan merch if it advertises my IP and increases the number of people getting into the series? In the end, won't I make more money if I get more fans and those fans buy official merch 2/3rds of the time?

Likewise, as a publisher, can I view a high prevalence of fan merch as a sign of an underserved market worth expanding into? It's free, low risk market research.
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The unnecessarily aggressiveness is quite annoying, but there is a point in supporting creators. Even Blizzard or larger studios. Creating games is expensive, and supporting in even a drop in a bucket helps the company. Never assume that they will live forever.
Just found a bootleg pin in etsy that is more expensive than the original.
And I wouldn't have searched for the original if I hadn't read these incendiary comments. I guess they help after all.
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>>10026362
That is a very exciting argument. But complex.
Similar to how games can be promoted in youtube.
It helps smaller creators, but it also can exert pressure over the creators to adapt their games for capacity to replay. Telltale had all their games scooped on YouTube and people didn't want to buy a game that didn't offer new options.
It also rises the bar higher for quality. If the game is bad, people will notice.
On the other hand we have Nintendo. Copyright extremists, no games are allowed to be streamed or it is very hard to do so. Very few selected people are allowed. They sell a lot and I wonder if they can do so because of their strong fan base.
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>>10026355
The glitter heart one? I don't have the image on me but the quality difference is instaneously noticeable; the window is more diluted with glitter and the bag itself looks cheaper. Most bootlegs are easily picked out on similar merit, or by the shape of the bag itself, they don't adhere perfectly to the shape as an official one would.
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>>10025635
Only an idiot pays full price for stupid pleather bags that literally everyone on aliexpress and taobao are selling. You do understand Japan manufactures in China and then hike up the prices in their retail stores? You'd have to be stupid enough to buy directly from Japan after they mark up prices on top of Japanese shipping which can't compete with Chinese shipping.
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Has anyone ordered this bag? (Ali)
It is quite cheap, but I wonder how is the quality. Random google images of actual products don't show well the detail
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>>10025836
Why are fanmerch considered bootleg though? The bag part I get but I like supporting different artists and there isn't always a lot of official merch to fill out a bag? I'm new to ita bags myself so I'd like to know more.
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>>10026374
The easiest sign for me is the shape of the heart. In bootlegs the upper middle part is rounder, in real Wego it’s sharp.
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>>10026390
What you're asking has already been answered in the thread AND faq, anon, but to spoonfeed it to you:
The anon you replied to was not calling the fanmerch bootleg, the base bag is a bootleg. Fanmerch is only really looked down upon if you pick ugly pieces that don't work well together or the IP is shitting out merch (eg Love Live, other idol series, BNHA, etc)
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>>10026390
It's not bootleg and that other anon doesn't understand creator/company-fan/community relations. They're retarded enough to think bootlegs = fan merch. Bootlegs are a rip off of real merchandise, fan merch and doujin work is original art and honestly fantastic for a company. Just think of how many series you can't find fan merch for in your mind. Now answer yourself why that is. It's because they're irrelevant.
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>>10026390
They're not...?

>>10026400
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone in this thread said bootlegs = fanmerch, that other anon was talking about the bag being bootleg.
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>>10026387
I'll be buying it for my son so I can post about the quality when it comes in if you'd like.
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I’m really sick of seeing bootleg and/or the same designs at conventions. People eat it up but how hard is it to sell legitimate ones in public like damn.
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>>10026387
>>10026406
I don’t recommend it; but there’s some Youtube videos if you look up itabags that show off that same design even though it’s not Aliexpress.

e.g: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6su1FUxwg30
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>>10026387
I have one that I bought as a placeholder while I searched for a better bag. It looks nowhere near as sturdy and nicely made as a WEGO (I've had people new to the hobby compliment me on a WEGO bag and asking where to get one like mine because "it looked so much nicer than the one from Ali" so, the quality difference is noticeable), but to be very honest with you, I wore my Ali one for quite a while as a daily bag, and it held up pretty decently.
I dunno if I was lucky, since I have a friend with the same bag and her straps started to come apart but mine is still going strong, no signs of breaking and I used to wear it daily (I'm also a bit rough with bags). From so much use, it's really just dirty (the back, on the bottom, is all stained black from repeatedly rubbing against my clothes) and the window is a little scuffed but nothing more. Straps are fine, zippers are fine, inside pockets are fine (my first bag was a bootleg heartbag and the pocket inside came undone lmao).
The pleather has some texture to it, it's not smooth like the brand ones, the fabric inside is syntethic and overall feels kinda cheap but for the price, I don't really complain.
I'd post some pictures but mine is a bit mistreated (I don't use it anymore and haven't bothered to clean stains/take care of it..) but here's a couple Ali listings that have lots of buyer feedback photos that can probably help.
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>>10026433
You forgot the pictures, anon.
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>>10026380
You pay for authencity and quality check. If you think wanting to spend money on the two things above is for chumps, buy the bag used or on sale. Besides, the heart bag prevalent on Amazon and eBay are not even produced by the same factory Wego uses, so claiming that you can get the same exact thing anywhere is false.
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>>10026453
Oh my bad. That’ll probably help the anon though.
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>>10026444
I actually meant to type "there's" but missed the t and didn't notice (also didn't realize it's not even correct english).
I meant there are a couple listings on Ali with plenty buyer feedback pictures, sorry about that. Here's one:
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lovely-Cat-Ear-Leather-Backpacks-Candy-Color-Transparent-Bag-Women-Shoulder-Bags-School-Teenage-Girls-Travel/32819770997.html?af=DPlnKr2ATnM&cn=KWoP3raQoYVmu&dp=af95e46f-14ac-4ff5-9f0e-e5044a4a43bc&hot_product=1&aff_platform=default&cpt=1541338203265&sk=c2bfGy12&aff_trace_key=b455e03cb3bc49b085dc293c6c31a287-1541338203265-05310-c2bfGy12&terminal_id=03ed1a3408274ee1baf147ed60b33500
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>>10026380
Nayrt but even tho japanese brands manufacture in China, none of my aliexpress/ebay bags are close to the quality of my JP-imported ones, and I have more than one model from each source for comparison.
I personally don't fuss over people's choice in bags and understand not wanting to shell out a lot on a base bag but, speaking from personal experience, just because they are manufactured in the same country, doesn't mean they are made in the same factories or have the same quality standards, like >>10026451 stated.
Your choice in bag and the quality of it is up to you, tho.
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>>10026409
>how hard is it to sell legitimate ones in public like damn
Honestly that's a legitimate question.
I guess, for places like ItabagPalace or whatever those scalpers are called, they have a supplier that prices them cheap and then they mark it up for reselling.
Versus something official like Wego doesn't supply cheap due to production costs, so there's not as much profit to be made for the resellers.
And I guess Wego and other brands aren't aware of the market in the West so they don't see the need to put official suppliers out here.
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Wow we have been around this bush so many times to the point it's in the damn op for the last several threads. We must be near death to beat this horse again.


Tldr: bootlegs bad period. Why put $500 worth of merch into a bag of shitty quality. Is it really gonna hurt you to drop another $10 to get an official bag that'll last you and protect your shit?

Fanmerch I'm not even touching, it's been said in a least three posts above that it's fine if your series isn't cashcow
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>sign up for a box split a few months ago
>OP received the merch and is sending invoices
>don't really want the items anymore t b h, I just did a big haul for my bag
>don't wanna flake like an asshole either
>pay and feel mild regret
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>>10026457
Thanks anon.
I went through feedback of many listings. The fact that the plastic layer is sewn without a hem put me off.
Instead just went off to buy a basic heart wego bag. It wasn't that bad. 24 usd, for now. Maybe 10 usd for forwarding service.
Now crying for the insane shipping fees that eBay has for second hand pinny arcade pins.
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>>10026345
Thanks! I hope it's going well for you too! I'm debating on waiting to see if Mitsuki's acrylic stand gets listed for lower because he's not particularly popular. But its not too pricey right now and i'm impatient so we'll see if I can hold out.
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>>10026479
At least you owned up to it and paid anyway, you did good. Can always try to resell.

I had someone commit to a box split and when the items got released and it was time to pay, they told me they were short on money and couldn't go through with it (it was a single keychain). Except we are on the same buy/sell place and they frequently post their immense collection, all their recent buys and several box splits, often. Soon after flaking me, they announced they were making a split for like 16 boxes of the same thing.

>>10026490
Understandable, I personally don't really like that (lack of) detail either, just think it's pretty decent for the dirt cheap price.
I have a wego heart bag too and it's really nice and sturdy, been handling daily use like a champ. I think you will be happy.
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>>10025358
Sometimes resellers are scalpers, sometimes they aren't.

In your example trader joes actually contribute to the production of the corn though; by canning and labelling the corn, making sure it conforms to food safety standards etc. They are legally responsible if the buyer is not happy, or injured by eating the corn. The markup is profit as well as compensation for that sevice/labour/risk. It's not a good comparison. If trader joes bought all the corn that existed though...

A scalper buys up items and creates a supply vacuum to artificially increase the value of the products by giving the illusion that they are more rare, and then capitalises on that by increasing the price of their products - justified by the relative rarity they have created - and selling those products at the new price. Any restrictive brand policy such as a buying limit per person is an attempt to thwart scalpers.

Idk why this is such a hard concept for j-fashion people to get. Ticket scalping has been a thing forever in music/entertainment. It's not that hard to spot once you actually understand what it is.
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>>10026495
I managed to snag Momo's items before the ichikuji went live and just managed to outbid someone for a Yuki lot this morning, so I'm all set.

From what I've seen, Mitsuki merch has been pretty fair price wise, so I hope you manage to get his stand! His design for this is so cute btw.
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>>10026362

With regards to fanart, that’s the ideal, yes. It’s also why comiket happens every year and IP holder companies mostly just let it.

With regards to itabag, though. Originally they were made so that fans can show off how much money they’ve thrown into a fandom/charactter. That’s why a lot of the Japanese bags you see have a lot of repeat badges, With 100 of the same badge they’re trying to express that their love for the character is 1000 times stronger than your average fan, and that they’re making all this extra effort throwing extra money at official merch in order to keep the title on air/in print, whereas your average joe would have just bought one pin and called it quits.

Which is why when a fanbag has absolutely zero official merch even when official merch does actually exist, they’re basically saying “look at all the money I spent on everything else except towards actually supporting the show cuz I actually dun care”. It’s definitely going to draw some comments. Itabags were never about pitting fanartists vs official merch, it’s a statement about you as a fan. So if your statement is all fakes and nothing real, what does that say about you?
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>>10026279
anon you’re being way too autistic, it’s time to stop
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Did a shrine for my boy a little bit back. I have a newfound respect for people that that do ridiculously large shrines after doing this one. I’m def gonna have to do it in a better space next time since the lighting made all my bags blend into the background
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>>10026585
>'I have jackshit to contribute to this discussion so I'm just going to call anon autistic. That'll show them.'

>>10026630
Should've resized the picture, anon. It looks good though. The lace bag matches with the character's aesthetic very well, but are there any plans to fill it with more merch or a different one? It looks empty right now and the keychain's shape doesn't do the oval window any favors.
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>>10026479
MOOD
While its a huge pain in the ass, at least you can re sell stuff anon. The FB sales group is a good dumping ground to sell, especially with all the dumb desperate weebs around.
Amiami really gets me with those pre-orders though. Had deep regrets with the last ones I got because they were ugly as sin and looked nothing like the pic, I sold them as soon as I took them out of the box.

>>10026630
Oh wow, that shrine is impressive anon!
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>>10026653
it’s easy to just say japanese fans look down on fan merch but where’s the proof? Booth is full of jp fan merch so you’re argument kinda falls apart desu
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My itabag got completely torn apart as messy when I posted it on a different thread, and someone referred me here. I want to know if it’s possible to have an itabag with different themes without it being messy. Does anyone have any pictures of a mismatched itabag? Or has ever seen a good one?
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>>10026687
>I want to know if it’s possible to have an itabag with different themes without it being messy.
The only way is if you have a large, cohesive theme like "magical girls", "seiyuu characters", etc. and take extra care to make sure colors and styles look good together.
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>>10026678
You do realize that fanmerch existed long before itabags, right?

>>10026687
It depends on how "mismatched" the bag is. If you're bagging for say, an idol unit or a pairing, you'll want to get merch from the same sets so that the parts that do match (size, background patterns) compensate for parts that don't.

If you're just putting characters you like from different series in one bag, it's basically impossible. You'd be better off separating them into smaller bags, like wallets or pochettes.
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>>10026687
>mismatched themes
by definition is incompatible with the concept of an itabag. It's supposed to be a portable shrine to the object of your obsession. The only way you can have more than one focus is if like anon above says, they're linked in some way via concept or canon.

It just comes across as cheap and bandwagon-y when you try and have more than one focus per bag.
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>>10026678
You do realize that people sell original merch on booth. It's not just fanmerch. Screenshot is doujinshi good category, filtered by popularity.
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>>10026726
How does this have anything to do with anything?
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>>10026653
Uploaded this from my phone and I thought I chose the right vers but I guess not. And I was planning on framing the strap with dupes of a can badge but it’s been rough trying to get them.

>>10026675
Thanks! I try to do him proud
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>>10026726
The existence of booth doesn't say shit about people's attitude towards fanmerch.
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>>10026548
Another anon here, but I am into itabags because I want to express my love of a show, not wave around how BIG and REAL of a fan I am. It's for me first and foremost, to put all the stuff I love looking at in one place, and secondary to hopefully get another fan's attention so we can chat about it and have fun over a shared love. It's ridiculous to imply that I'm not spending my money where I can to support the shows I love. My official figures that cost $100 don't fit into my bag. My Blu-Rays don't fit into my bag and don't need to be getting scratched up. My CDs/MP3 purchases don't need to be waved around, and my manga is just fine sitting on my shelf. If I want to fill my bag with ALL the merch I can find, fuck you for thinking I'm less of a fan just because I got all the fan merch, too.
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>>10026769

If you already have all the merch, just hang something official off one corner of the bag and you're done.

Geez the debate started because some girl straight up says (a)it's all non-official, (b)it's also bootleg, and (c)she dun give a shit that official march even exists. Just don't be that girl and you'll be fine.

With regards to the history and the intent -- I didn't invent the hobby. Some Japanese fans did. I can't rewrite this history no matter how you feel you deserve ....whatever you want. It's only written as a reminder for why itabags are always so focused on official merch as the topic was getting off course trying to argue that fan artists do the franchise a service. They do, but itabags weren't about that to begin with, so their relevance is a whole lot less than any debate itt can place on them.
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Does anyone have any sewing tutorials for sewing down acrylics? I feel like I’m having a stroke, it shouldn’t be this hard but I can’t get any of them secure.
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>>10026769
You don't seem to have gotten that anons point. By showing off how much you spend you're saying something like
>I will keep this IP alive, I will make sure the artist who made this gets fairly compensated, single-handed if I have to.

>My Blu-Rays don't fit into my bag and don't need to be getting scratched up. My CDs/MP3 purchases don't need to be waved around, and my manga is just fine sitting on my shelf.
Hardcore fans, let alone itabag level fans buy multiple copies of those things. You just buy more than one. This is a poor as fuck excuse, I've seen all of those things incorporated into bags before. It looks stupid, but it's supposed to.

>If I want to fill my bag with ALL the merch I can find,
Except for anything official you conveniently have excuses for not including, right? This directly contradicts all the shit you said three sentences ago.

>fuck you for thinking I'm less of a fan just because I got all the fan merch, too.
But you are less of a fan? I Don't understand how anyone can call themselves a massive fan of something when their behaviour directly hurts the people who create it. A bag that's not aesthetically pleasing filled with official merch, vs one that looks dope filled with fan stuff, will always be more well received.

It's against the spirit to be so selfishly minded. If you want to make bags filled with shit -you- want to look at, that's not really making an itabag. It's supposed to be a visual representation of how much you've basically suffered financially in order to give money to the people who made the thing you love.

They're supposed to be cringe-worthy to look at, either because you understand how much money went into making one, or because you're embarrassed by the level of otaku-ness exhibited.
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>>10026803
Do you mean just sewing them instead of pinning them, or sewing across them to hold them in place?
Either way I personally haven't seen any, and I can only offer personal advice on the former.
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>>10026678
It's a weird thing actually. Japanese artists can get in a lot of trouble for producing fanmerch unlike in the west. So they don't want their fan stuff used in bags with official merch. They generally don't like the assumption that people might think their fan work is above or on par with official content. It's a sort of respect for the creators thing.

Booth is mostly anonymous but I didn't really see any keychains or anything last comiket, it was mostly dakis, doujins and prints. Nothing like a western artist alley.
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>>10026769
Awww sorry hun that you're offended people think your terrible amateur art tictail acrylics look like shit.
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>>10026806
Not even that anon but you are the shittiest person I've ever seen. Since when was itabagging a big dick contest?

>oh hurr you bought the blurays? Well I bought two
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>>10026847
>Since when was itabagging a big dick contest?
since THE START OF THE HOBBY.
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>>10026852
It's about showing your love in a portable shrine, be it aesthetically or with a fuckton of official pins.
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>>10026847
>>10026870
>not getting three copies by default; one to open, one to display, one to store
>not getting multiples anyways for the tokuten
Not only has this been a big dick contest from the beginning, but you're losing.

I actually do agree about bags being more about aesthetic and socialization, but that's only because my collection is too precious to risk damage.
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>>10026831
again this is all heresay give me some fucking proof
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>>10026806
>being this autistic
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>>10026888
NAYRT but this hobby is inherently autistic.
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>>10026847
I'm just explaining the point of and ethos behind the hobby. It is literally a dick waving contest, that's the point of it and has been since the beginning. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate.

I will never understand people who demand to be part of a subculture that they don't actually like, and then get angry at people who participate properly. You are the equivalent of lolitas who refuse to wear petticoats and whine about the fashion having rules and being restrictive. If you don't like the defining features of the hobby, why are you here? You can make a bag displaying merch of characters you love, no one is stopping you, but it's not an itabag unless it meets certain criteria. It's pretty simple.

>>10026888
>Not being this autistic in a hobby entirely centred around obsessive fixation on a single character, collecting and arranging objects

Actual autistic people are the only other people on par with itabag makers.
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>>10026890
Eh, there's a difference between healthy devotion and autism. That anon is an example of the autistic kind.
It's not even admirable at that extent, it's just sad.
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>>10026906
You’re being a dick and clearly taking making a shrine for a 2d animu character way too fucking seriously. This is a hobby, it’s meant to be fun, you’re acting like not having 3 copies of a Blu-Ray is a life or death situation and it’s the utmost insult to the creators if you don’t do this. You guys wonder why the threads are dying and you being an absolute self-important prick, having a pissing contest with the entire thread is why. Why would anyone want to even attempt to have a discussion here when this is what they’ll have to deal with. I’d love to see your amazing shrine, full of multiple everything’s to show us retarded peasants how it’s actually done, please enlighten us with the blessing of your bag we’re all dying to see it.
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>>10026887
And when people give you proof, you're going to say they're cherrypicking, but I'll entertain you one last time.

>https://twitter.com/an35287809/status/1058963901344141312?s=20
Board display, but two fanmerch are hidden at request of the artist.

>https://twitter.com/asagi_appgame/status/1020532532129906688?s=20
This person warns for fanmerch in their layout.

>https://twitter.com/tsmgkt_630/status/1057261480293224448?s=20
The tweet says it's bad for badges and fanmerch to be in an itabag.

>https://twitter.com/t0ratora/status/727800467175014400?s=20
A user apologizes for lack of official merch in their bag.

>https://twitter.com/MKL1028/status/1056502391053312001?s=20
The user saw a person with fanmerch itabag at an official event and comments that it's scary and they fear understanding humans.

>https://twitter.com/sizuku042412/status/764856188315979776?s=20
A questionnaire on whether fanmerch in itabags are alright. Aimed towards makers and buyers. The choices from top to bottom are "as a maker, okay", "as a maker, no", "as a buyer, okay", and "as a buyer, no".

>https://twitter.com/mashiro92/status/700842753484165120?s=20
This user apologizes for presence of fanmerch in their bag.

>https://news.nicovideo.jp/watch/nw2766851
>元来、メロンブックスにおいて主力となっていたのは、同人誌や同人グッズ。それでも、社会的に認知された大手である以上、公式のものも、きちんと販売している必要はあった。
Roughly it translates to that while Melonbook specializes in doujinshi and doujin goods, it was also necessary to display official goods because it's a socially recognized store.
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>>10026930
i wouldnt say you’re cherry picking but ultimately a handful of tweets from individuals does not indicate the mindset of an entire fandom. I appreciate how dedicated you are to your obsession if being right though.
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>>10026910
You're reading into my posts way too much, I don't even have an itabag, I just understand the history of the hobby. Don't care about these standards personally or hold myself to them, because 1. I don't have a bag, and 2. collecting to this extent is not something I'm interested in participating in, just watching and supporting friends in their endeavours. I don't personally believe in these things, and I should have said more clearly that I'm not explaining how I personally feel about it, I'm explaining the roots of the movement and the ideals it was conceived around. When I said anon was less of a fan, I meant specifically by the criteria people who started the trend judge by, and reading it back it does come off as hostile, so I apologise for that. That is not my personal criteria and I'm sure anon loves their shows as much, probably more, than the next guy. I'm not trying to engage in a pissing contest with anyone in the thread, nor am I judging anyone. Stop taking it so personally.

It wouldn't be starting a pissing contest if I'd have said you need to wear a petticoat to be wearing lolita or wearing a costume to be cosplaying. No one would ask me to post my wardrobe or examples of my costumes if I said either on a relevant thread. Subcultures have fundamentals and if you go against them, then you're not participating in that hobby or subculture anymore. Why is saying there is a way to participate properly in this particular hobby not okay?

I just don't understand people who wade into subcultures they don't like and demand the entire subculture changes because they don't feel accommodated enough. Again the lolita analogy; no one is going to stop someone having fun wearing their burando however they like, but when they call it lolita and it's not lolita, they can't expect not to be told that.
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>>10026938
>I don't have a bag
>collecting to this extent is not something I'm interested in participating in
why are you writing reddit-spaced textwalls imposing your idea of what other people's hobby is ~*supposed to be*~ when you don't, and have no desire to, fucking participate in it
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>>10026938
>Don't care about these standards personally or hold myself to them, because 1. I don't have a bag, and 2. collecting to this extent is not something I'm interested in participating in

And there we have it lads, the anon sperging in here and acting like an absolute prick doesnt even have a bag. How sad must you’re life be to just waltz into a thread of a hobby you don’t participate in and tell everyone they’re doing it wrong and we don’t understand the subculture we are partaking in? It costs $0.00 to stay in your own lane and mind your business. I don’t go onto the lolita threads and start jerking my dick off there about how much i understand the fashion than people who have been doing it for years.
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>>10026934
Yet you never prove the contrary either. Where are the tweets that fanmerch are accepted in itabags in Japan? Do you ever see a western bagger apologize or warn for presence of fanmerch? Do western fanartists personally contact people who post art of their goods, requesting them to hide it in the west?
All you do is refute by saying "this doesn't represent everyone", which is a fact because, surprisingly, people aren't hivemind.
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>>10026944
I frankly agree with them though for the most part. That’s my interpretation of itabagging things.
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>>10026944
I honestly agree with their notion of itabagging too. I'm not gonna say "just don't buy fanmerch ever" but... I feel like something people don't understand is that your whole collection doesn't have to go into your bag. I'll buy my boy's merch up, and pick up some cute fanmerch as well, but anything that doesn't work with my bag or isn't official will not go into it.

>>10026883
Tokutens are a blessing and a curse, but I love it all the same.
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I can’t believe it’s come to this but honestly if you don’t have a bag your opinion here is irrelevant. Anytime we’ve gotten an anon acting this hard headed 9/10 times they don’t even have a bag themselves
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>>10026940
>>10026944
Aou spend your time autistically collecting merchandise of 2d characters, we all get to decide what we do with our free time and what we think is fun. and yon't have to be a chef to know a meal tastes like shit.

> I don’t go onto the lolita threads and start jerking my dick off there about how much i understand the fashion than people who have been doing it for years.
Good for you, but you're still off base. You wouldn't be doing that, you'd be coming in and saying shit like
>Lolita was invented in Japan and popularised with the GLB
>It has xyz rules
>If you don't do xyz then you're not wearing lolita
Literally the most basic shit that defines the hobby.

You do not need experience to understand the history of a hobby or where and why it started.
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Let’s post some bags. Any new basebags? New brands?
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>>10026806
>But you are less of a fan? I Don't understand how anyone can call themselves a massive fan of something when their behaviour directly hurts the people who create it
>buying fan merch hurts the creators
Didn't anon literally say that they also buy official merch though? Damn anon I know you've got some serious autism going on but you can actually read their post first, people get so anal about 'being the biggest fan' that they forget why the like particular series they're into to begin with.

Feels like this place is more obsessed with drama than the actual hobby as of late.
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>>10026968
Seems like a new bag is on sale with some higher end Taobao bag distributors: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=578106716342
There's also a JP burando making a base bag, but I have no idea where to find a direct sale for it since I'm not a lolita: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=581096915801
And of course, there's a new BerryQ bag. It's pretty room from the looks of it: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=573799490994

>>10026989
You're on a /cgl/ thread. Drama is included with this hobby.
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>>10026968
fuck off you guys never post any actual discussion here and when drama kicks off yall scream “lets talk about bags”
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>>10026930
That bag of the blue anime boy is unironically 10/10 though, people should put official merch first if it's possible (like with the osomatsu bag) but I still don't see a problem with fanmerch if it's aesthetically pleasing. If your bag is all official merch but it looks like shit than there's no point.
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>>10026938
>goes all anal about how people should participate in the hobby
>doesn't even want to participate in the hobby
Why am I not surprised.
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>>10026994
>You're on a /cgl/ thread. Drama is included with this hobby.
Literally '4chan is an internet hate machine' tier.
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This hobby is almost completely stagnant because the basis for it is just buying merch and showing it off in a bag. The only real innovation we had is using inserts and how to secure merch on a bag without it looking like shit.
Everyone has different fandoms so the only thing people can really talk about are bags. And new ones only roll out once in a blue moon because one or two bags is enough for most people.

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Why do I keep coming back to these threads? I've disassembled all my itabags and I'm pretty sure I won't want to make another one in the future.
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>>10027025
Has anyone else seen any minimal(?) style bags like this one? I don’t see it very often but I do like the effort they put into painting on to the bag
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>>10026806
Are you an idiot? I don't have to buy extra of everything to make a tacky bag just to show I'm supporting everything. I have 3 sets of a series DVD box sets I like, one signed and another never opened. Another set of variations of DVDs and collector boxes for another. That's not leaving my damn house. I support kickstarters for those boxes.

When I'm bleeding money for the series I like, I don't need 50 can badges just to settle your anxiety that a series won't die out and prove I'll buy anything and everything related to it. I buy the things I can afford and hell of a lot of it, and yes, some fan merch too, but you can't just look at my bag and decide I DIDNT invest hundreds into supporting it already.

If the point of an ita bag is really to be that blatantly tacky I guess I'm doing it all wrong. I can't stand the look of the same exact badge filling the entire thing. How boring. One of everything in my bag is enough to make me happy, and if I feel like a series needs more of my support, some of my other purchases like wall scrolls and art books give more back to the companies than keychains and badges anyway.
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>>10027033
>ita bag
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>>10027033
>doesn’t understand the concept of an itabag
yes, it really is supposed to be “that blatantly tacky”.

this is exactly why the japs hate foreigners’ shitabags
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>>10027033
It's great that you support your franchise. However, the fact remains that itabagging is an outward expression of love and appreciation for a series. People will judge and make assumptions on you depending on the merchandise and bag you use.
Of course you can just take a picture of your bag with all your other merchandise. People can't say you're not dedicated then.
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>>10027043
So is this a Japanese person with a bootleg swimmer?
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>>10027037
congratulations on being hung up over such a minuscule thing. that pole up your ass must feel right at home
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>>10027043
I thought japs hated everybody?
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>>10027037
t. some baka baka gaijin desu who doesn't even speak japaneez
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>>10027033
There's fucking autists in this thread, anon. No, you don't have to litter a bag with the same badge and I hate those too. I personally like the green ones in this article because they're easier to make look cute and functional.
>https : / / soranews24.com / 2016 / 01 / 11 / from-the-grape-picker-to-the-alchemist-anime-decorated-ita-bags-now-come-in-six-categories/
This is a great article that details different types. They're also not called ita because they have to look tacky, but ita because it's "painful" for normies to look at because they're weird.

Also, look for Japanese sources like this and not a bunch of shitposting anons on /cgl/.
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>>10027092
>ita because it's "painful" for normies to look at because they're weird.

I could've sworn the reason they called it ita was because all the spending on merch was" painful" for your wallet. unless it's both?
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>>10027127
I suppose it could be both. It is kind of vague.
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Gulls help I feel like I'm going crazy.

There was a trend years ago (possibly still happening) of using a specific doll (99% sure it was a rabbit) and making clothes for it to match/dress it as your favorite character. I know there were a few Japanese bags with this featured and I sometimes see it on twitter. Does anyone remember the doll's name? Or at least know what I'm talking about?
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>>10027133
Are you talking about kumamate? They have rabbits too.
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>>10027135
>kumamate
THATS IT!

God I could not remember at all. Thank you so much anon!!
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Does anyone have pics of nice bags with acrylics only?
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>>10026994
These are cool. I kind of like the last one the most. The first one I thought I seen on eBay recently but I’m not sure if it’s legitimate or not. I really want to find a suitable replacement base bag but I want to find the right one for me. Thanks for sharing, anon.
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>>10027000
I don’t do it for the aesthetics hardly at all. I prioritize my love of collecting. I like doing that the most and that’s how I show my love for the franchise in bag form. If that’s the standard for itabagging then I see a lot more unaesthetically pleasing itabags beyond having merch in cute styles and in pastel colors.
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Is there any site online where I can trade my pins? I bought some sets where I just wanted one character. The others are popular still, but I don't use them.
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Hmm....
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Can anyone tell me if there's a tag I can search for more diorama/scene bags specifically?
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>>10026910
Yea, this thread is openly hostile, sad, and terrifying at the same time lmao it makes everyone else on cgl look sane in comparison
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>>10027092
It's supposed to be both. Every Japanese person I've spoken to who's actually fluent in English says it's is much more like the concept of "cringe" than anything else. You say itai when you see one because you're cringing. Itabags should make everyone who sees them cringe. If you're a fellow otaku:
>Hory shit that person spent so much money on that franchise what a no lifer
or if you're a normie
>Hory shit that person's bag is fucking covered in anime faces what a loser turbo nerd

You're purposefully making yourself a spectacle and outcast amongst every group to a painful extent because you love the show that much. That's why those lanyard wings became a thing; because once itabags reached a certain level of popularity the shock factor of twenty of the same badge wore off.
>Okay so you spent enough money to get twenty badges, so what I've seen that a million times now. You're not that special.
There's a certain level of one-upmanship inherent in the hobby because you're trying to make the point that you are an exceptional fan, even amongst otaku.
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>>10026930
Because westerners are so fucking entitled they think basic hobby rules dont apply to them
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>>10027376
>take a hobby that started elsewhere
>butcher it
"Hurr durr it's just autism!"
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>>10027293
I guess I'm just not an itabagger, then. I want a shrine to put my beloved things for a character in, but it's too much stress to one up everyone. I don't need to wave my geek peen around that hard.
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I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to waste their money on terrible tumblr art keychains to put in their bag to begin with? It's pretty rare to find fanmerch that looks genuinely nice and high quality that isn't some fanservice hurdurcatears shit. There's no consistency with it and your bag looks like a train wreck of crappy art instead of an aesthetically pleasing trashbag.

I know an anon said this before but if you honestly prefer fanmerch to official merch, then you're not really a fan are you? You're just obsessed with your own personal view and ignoring the real thing. I'd rather see a bag of all same face official merch than poorly drawn crap. At least that way I can tell you genuinely love the character rather than your own ego.
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>>10027377
Why the fuck is there such a high concentration of autism and Americans.
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>>10027043
They hate you most (:
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>>10027376
It's almost like hobbies are mutable and vary greatly depending on where you're from, who would have guessed
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>>10027379
What am I even reading. 'not a real fan'. 'Fanmerch'. Are you ok? Did you hit your head? Everyone is allowed to express their love differently, keep your 'real fans' gatekeeping to yourself.

It's one thing to have rules for a particular subset of the hobby, but this is ridiculous on a different level entirely. So if you draw, write fic, express any sort of diversion from canon material, you aren't a 'real fan'? That's a slippery slope you're on there, and I'm out.
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>>10027390
sorry you got posted
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>>10027264
Remember when these were some of the nicest threads on cgl? Pepperidge Farms does.
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>>10027410
and to those thinking only the nihonjin can make the best itabags.

this was somebody’s first bag
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>>10027418
too much infighting
post more bags
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>>10027378
You also probably live in a country where waving your geek peen around isn't really a risky decision either, so it's equally not as impressive. Being a nerd is cool now, normies watch anime. Being an otaku still isn't, in Japan it's still socially unacceptable, the word itself also carries far more negative connotations than the word nerd or geek does. It could legit lose you your job or your place at school - that's why a lot of people on twitter censor out their faces, because there are still repercussions from indulging in your hobbies. It's really hard to wrap your head around the cultural context if you're not from that society, but Japans culture is soul crushingly oppressive, the working hours alone are fucked up, most people don't finish until 11pm. Taking time out for yourself and being what society considers selfish is automatically a massive statement and rejection of your culture, it makes you a pariah.

Lots of the history of lolita is rooted in the same thing, incidentally.
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>>10027133
c2oh rabbits?
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>>10027426
O...kay? But I use my bags here in the USA... so that kind of fear doesn't apply. Literally what is your point. That I should try just as hard to be 'brave' and edgy and the biggest geek I can so I stand out above all other nerds in the US? That's a lot of wasted effort. Hell this argument is a wasted effort. You're gonna think I'm a loser because I'm not as much of a real fan as you to begin with, I could never reach JAPAN level, what a filthy fake otaku weeb I must be.

I'm in the lolita community too, and I have not seen anybody this butthurt over fitting into a box of rules as hard as y'all are.
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>>10027441
No, do whatever the fuck you want. I don't give a single fuck about you or how you choose to make your bags or have fun. I'm here to express my opinion and hear different perspectives on a hobby. There's a difference between someone explaining the rules of a hobby and what the original point of it was and saying you have to adhere to them. If you can't enjoy a thing you want to do because some rando on an indonesian tapestry weaving website told you they think you're doing it wrong then idk what to say to you. Chill out? Stop caring what people think if it brings you joy to do things your way?

Why is it that people think having a discussion is actually arguing on /cgl/ nowadays? You can't have a conversation with conflicting opinions without people taking it personally and it's sad. It's like ya'll don't understand what a discussion is.
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>>10027441
nayrt but this hobby is literally autistic level so i’m not sure why you’re surprised that people go batshit insane over these rules
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>>10027464
You come off incredibly rude and condescending is maybe a reason no one wants to talk with you? Look how you responded to that anon, your assuming where they live and how they feel about their hobby.

This thread feels very "mums let me on the pc!!!!" right now.
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>>10027464
agreed
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>>10027466
Assuming someone speaking perfect and obviously American English and using 4chan lives not-in-japan is rude? Seriously?
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>>10027470
??? it doesn't give you an excuse to talk down to people.
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>>10027464
...all this time you've come across to me as insisting I'm doing it wrong. Forgive me if I misread that, but I'm honestly floored. There's so much Highlandering in this thread it's ridiculous.
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>>10027390
Just like my parents
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What the actual hell has happened to these threads?
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>>10027482
Well, yeah kind of, but I don't understand why you would get upset about that or take it personally? It's not like I'm demanding that you change how you do your bags and post proof. We're on an anonymous imageboard and I have absolutely no power over you, you don't have to listen to what I say at all. If you take an impassioned discussion seriously and personally that's on you, I honestly don't think I can word it in a way that wouldn't upset you, if you find someone thinking you're doing it wrong upsetting. I could understand if we were irl and I just sperged out like that, but we're here, the place for these kinds of discussions.

This started as a discussion on whether fanmerch was is okay to include, myself and a couple of other anons have been saying, no, you're not really behaving in the spirit of things if you do and here are the reasons why. People on the pro fanmerch side seem to be taking that really personally, getting upset and heated and not really giving much of an argument why they do think it's covered by the definition of itabagging. But not once have I personally insulted you, been actively rude or sarcastic or intentionally antagonistic any more than any other thread on anything here.
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>>10027495
Autism
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>>10027409
That's because all the helpful anons who genuinely just loved their characters and weren't autistic retards left the thread about a year ago.

All we have now is Lauren and Sonia tier anons.
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>>10027501
I’m autistic and sensitive as hell and I didn’t take offense to it. I don’t know what’s going on in these parts anymore. There’s like no good place to talk about these sort of things anymore. Better off just not discussing it but I won’t be able to see the cool stuff that some people find and that’s a shame.
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>>10027501
People just getting offended they can't afford official merchandise and/or their precious keychains they bought in the artist alley at a con from someone who's just cashing onto each "next big thing" with no quality is hitting them closer to home than they wanna admit.
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>>10027426
Oh my god shut up about Glorious Nippon already. We get it, you're a weeb, and none of us filthy gaijin will ever have the Yamato Damashii necessary to be a true itabagger.
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>>10027501
I can admit that I got riled up - I apologize for name calling. But at least for myself, I have given examples of why I do think that fan merchandise should be allowed, so I don't get how you're coming up with that.

If I were to briefly summarize my points earlier, and maybe I lost them in the way I got angry, it's basically: I'm not spending any less supporting a company by using fan merchandise in an itabag when I already buy official merch for it to begin with. Fan merchandise is supplemental. Nobody can tell at a glance what a fan has spent, and it doesn't lessen their impact or worth as a fan or status over who spent the most, which all seem to be the points you have been trying to make about the history of itabagging and what it means to make one.

I got into itabagging without a lot of knowledge, and the history is interesting now that I'm learning it, but I took away the 'shrine to a character you love' aspect of it and that is how I choose to display my fandom. I am really turned off by the way some people around here act like you're a bad person or cheap and hurting the industry by supporting fan merchandise. That excess money was going to be spent on doujinshi or prints if not keychains (or junk food), but because I like keychains and charms, my bag is what I focus on. I am not 'too cheap' to buy official merchandise. If anything, I probably spend too much on official goods, but that's not stopping any time soon.

I don't think we're going to convince each other on either side. There seems to be different aesthetics at work here. I really don't like the strict 'it has to be this way' rule in a hobby that is literally just dragging your personal shrine around with you. I know it'll offend hardcore itabaggers but I can't fathom why no matter how hard I try to wrap my head around it.

I'm going to let this drop and I'm sorry for being rude to you. There was probably a better way for me to say what I did.
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I'm starting to think that these threads are mostly people who just want to see decorated bags and have fun.

There there are probably 2-3 high functioning autist (You)s that go on about yamato damashii, fanmerch, and discord drama.

Does this sound correct?
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>>10027642
>these threads are mostly people who just want to see decorated bags and have fun.
Well of course, hence why there's those anons that do bag dumps when there's a stupid argument going on.

But as with every hobby, there's that handful of elitists that need to slap their dick on everything when an opportunity arises.
Hard to tell how many there are, though.
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You know what's maddening? When your favorite character gets a great card, but none of their merch uses it. I just want badges goddamnit.
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>>10027665
Same hat anon. It's been about two years since the series I'm into stop producing the mobile game art for merch and it sucks. Especially when it got some great halloween cards this year.
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>>10027642
I think there's more than that because I come in here sometimes to throw fuel on the fire (because you're all autistic as fuck and it's funny) and then come back to 100+ posts of different anons going at each other.
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>>10027612
Why does this read like a himegriffin post lmao, definitely autistic i'll give you that.
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>>10027712
Wouldn't be 4chan without you <3
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>>10027518
>implying i haven't been here since these threads started
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>>10027714
>bringing up drama that dead

wow the shit stirring was so subtle. and it's not cool to post someones username in the thread, especially since she actually hasn't done anything besides make that one immature brat cry over luigi
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>>10027518
I'm not old enough for this shit. Who is Lauren and Sonia?
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Trying to shift away from the drama, are items from AGF usually listed at other online retailers eventually? The Medicos booth is gonna have some Jojo standees and I really want to get my hands on the Kakyoin one, but I don't want to order from the one person in the sales group that keeps shoving their online shop onto every post. Pic related.
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>>10027762
No she still posts in here regularly like Lauren does actually, she likes to throw fire on for attention. Kinda sad really but this is what you get when you're in multiple cgl discords.
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>>10027801
Anon plz ffs

Lauren = owner of the facebook group

Sonia = owner of co-kan and confirmed pedophile, literally the last thread ffs.
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>>10027813
Oh, that's why I was confused. Her name is Sonya, not Sonia. I was there for that. Never bothered to catch the FB group owner's name.

>confirmed pedophile
I still don't get why you guys think a married woman in her late 20s is a pedophile for (poorly) drawing clothed butts and art commissions.
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>>10027525
This is so cute
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>>10027641
>https://matome.naver.jp/odai/2152225011806235901
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>>10027805
I think this is entirely case by case. I honestly can't say for other series, but when sb69 used to booth at AGF all their left over stock would go to the online sanrio store. Even with how unpopular this series it, it still sold out in under a minute so you'll need to have a good proxy service backing you. If you're able, I would recommend buying directly at AGF with an in person proxy over online sales for that reason.
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Is there a tag for shrines on Twitter? I'm all for buying stuff and supporting the creators/studios but I don't want to show my powerlevel.
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>>10028107
most of the shrines i see are birthday shrines, and those usually get posted under the hbd charname 201X tags fandoms usually have. haven't seen a general "shrines" tag otherwise because most of the sharing for these things on media with names attached is by fandom, not by obsessive merch collection.
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>>10026387
i just received mine from ebay, where i found it cheaper. If youre use to the heart knock off bag, its very similar.
Pros:
>the plastic is clear and not the stupid sparkly one
>bigger window than the others
>cat ears are actually long on the back so theyre easy to snip off
>in the big pocket, there are two small card sized pockets vs the one slightly bigger than in the heart bag

Cons:
>the plastic sticks out on the edges past the sewing
>black isnt very matt, mine looks like its glittery because of the texture


Mine came with a few scuffs which i can probably get out. customs used a damn box cutter to open my packet, sliced all the packing materials and bags but luckily it didnt even scratch the bag at all
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>>10022736
I think it is
Im currently rying to sell some rare/Nitotan merch and I’m amazed I have been swarmed yet. Guess it’s time to sell what I can before it gets to YOI level where it’s super hard to get rid of merch because now it’s everywhere for dirt cheap.
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>>10027819
Holy shit you dumb fuck we've been through this already, she outright confessed to being a pedophile in front of everyone in discord then continued on Twitter.

Sonya
Is
A
Pedophile

Stop fucking defending this sicko
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>>10027762
Wtf are you even talking about? The person who liked luigi didn't even respond to her when she said it. If you're gonna white knight a known cancer, who even her own meetups conspired to ban for being a dramawhore, at least get your facts in check.

Man I'm sick of anons shitting up this thread when they can't even get basic information right.
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>Holy shit you dumb fuck
Whoh oh, no need to start throwing insults. We're all civilized gulls around here.

>she outright confessed to being a pedophile in front of everyone in discord then continued on Twitter.
I just stalked her twitter a bit and I can't find anything that suggests that she's a pedophile. But, I've found butts(?), feet licking(?), and ice cream cones(?). Does anybody have a screencap where she claims to be a pedophile?

Even then, what if it's just sarcasm?

I never see anybody here insulting her bag designs, so you're probably looking for justifiable reasons to hate her.
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>>10028391
Who gives a shit, I don't even know who Sonya is.
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i thought she only made fanmerch, but then again, i don’t really interact with the community on facebook/instagram anymore
had no idea she designed(?) bags either
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>>10028412
Personally, I don't think Sonya's a pedophile, just bit of a weirdo. I used to be in the deviantART adoptables community with her a few years ago and she was obsessed with shota characters and yaoi, but that was most people in the community during that time.
I think she grew up a bit, since she culled most of these characters when I checked her website again.
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>>10028441
Shotacons are creepy.

She probably isn't dangerous to real life children-tier, but it's reasonable to be grossed out by that, especially if she still makes ass buttons of high school characters.
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>>10028412
Yeah she posted shit to Twitter about it but the people she posted it to did the damn sensible thing and reported it. Looks like most of it is pulled but I can't believe we're going down this rabbit hole *again*. I remember there being caps but one of the people who argued with her hasn't been online for months now I don't know if she'll reply to my messages but I'll try.

There is no reason to protect a pedophile, you guys are honestly better than this. Stop and think about what you're saying.
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>>10028464
Personally, the feet licking fetish thing is more creepy to me but it all leads back to people being grossed out by her.
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>>10028441
>a few years ago and she was obsessed with shota characters and yaoi, but that was most people in the community during that time
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, if someone's online behavior grosses you out, then that's that. But to claim that she is a "confirmed pedophile" in a community where most characters are below legal age, that's tough to believe.

For example, look at the front page of Tokyo Otaku Mode. Very top is eromanga sensei. Top selling new item is a giga tittied idolmaster girl.

Whether or not you like it, this kind of thing is normal.

>>10028468
>Stop and think about what you're saying.
See above.
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>>10028468
Except claiming that someone is a pedophile is a life-ruining accusation. Yes, her tastes are gross and creepy, but that's not going to ruin someone's life like pedophilia. There's nothing but hearsays afaik.
In short, I would like to reserve my judgement until evidence of otherwise. That's all.
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Real life pedophiles harm and abuse real children, they destroy lives, what they do cannot be justified. Someone drawing BNHA smut hurts no one, this wasn't an issue with naruto, haikyuu, etc characters but it's suddenly a thing now when it's convienant to have the moral high ground over someone you all collectively dislike. Hate her for scalping and plagirising taobao bags, not this performative outrage that yall only seem to have in the threads and discord. I'm not protecting a pedophile, I dislike Sonya myself but I can't stand by and watch you guys cheapen what the word pedophile actually means.
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Boy I love discussing itabags!
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Thoughts?
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>>10028578
I don’t like her method to nicely put it. I do like how when I do itabag it’s a nice reminder to bring back reasons as to why I love the character and the franchise.
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the itamals / animal bags / dick window bags are so fucking ugly and i just want you all to know from a furry to all of you that a lot of us hate them too
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>>10028605
What are you talking about? Pics?
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>>10028506
>this wasn't an issue with naruto, haikyuu, etc
>haikyuu
I wasn't even in that fandom and I know this is a lie.
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>>10028578
She needs to make more buttons, if she made more than the bag would look fine.
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>>10028501
Yeah because people are stupid enough to post the screencaps of child porn to 4ch to prove an argument??? Come on dude this is common sense.

Honestly she's kiwi farm material I'm surprised she hasn't had a thread yet.
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>>10028022
God I'd be so terrified of putting a shikishi in a bag.
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>>10026994
>Peppa pig bag
I laughed and questioned myself if there's one even
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>>10028667
How did you get into your head that evidence = kiddy porn? It could be a screencap of her saying creepy shit about minors.
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>>10028623
These things.
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>>10028691
I've rarely seen anyone use those.
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>>10028696
It's only available at cons I think. Online sales are still in preorders.
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>>10028691
I feel bad for person they plagiarized.
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>>10028668
Can I ask why? Is it a damage concern? I have one in a bag and never had issues with it being there.
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>>10027641

I'm looking to make one of these diorama bags, but I'm really curious if people actually use these as bags? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of space left after putting these pieces in, and unless the pieces are stuck down with superglue I'd be really nervous about accidentally bumping things around.

Any insight into what people do with these? I'm okay just making a bag that is basically a portable diorama, I'd like to know what other people do with theirs.
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>>10028691
God thats hideous lmao, it really does look like a penis window
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>>10028696
they're not openly available yet, it was JUST funded
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>>10028790
Yeah. I've had a friend's shikishi get bent in the mail and now I don't ever wanna take mine out of my room.
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Some shitty instagram page that promotes other peoples merch sales posts and stuff for itabags just posted this.

If anyone actually pays this shit they fucking deserve to get scammed
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>>10029275
You can do #2 and 3 yourself.. even if you don't know Japanese, the proper kanji isn't hard to track down. Hell even just "hey what's the kanji for omanjuu" is something you can Google.
#1 is so arrogant.
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>>10026173

1/??

>In the Japanese fandom, fanmerch is considered harmful to a series because it fights for a market that's already occupied by the official distributors.

It's not my problem is official distributors offer a product that's inferior to what's offered by third party fans. If you don't know how to put a back on a charm so it doesn't start flaking off in a month, you deserve to lose sales. Japan and the United States (i.e. where this entire board is from) are capitalist countries. In these places when choosing who to buy a product from we buy the one that offers the superior product. It is not our responsibility to prop up shitty companies who have poor business practice and offer an inferior product. You'd fit in on 4*2 chan's leftypol you fucking pinko.

>That's why most merch tend to be event exclusive or have an extremely limited online run (usually event leftovers).

This is not why merch is event exclusive. Merch is event exclusive to drive future "fear of missing out" based interest in product and sales. People are more likely to make an impulse purchase if it's unlikely they'll be able to easily acquire the item in the future. Creating scarcity like this guarantees sales where having long term runs of product does not.
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>>10026173
>>10029413

>That being said, most western franchise don't participate in that market and fanmerch are welcomed to fulfill that niche. However, there are some series that do produce merch. Let's use Undertale as an example. Say the buyer like Sans, but his enamel pin is only sold in a set of four with other characters the buyer doesn't care about. So the buyer looks around on Tictail and finds that this fanartist is selling a Sans enamel pin for $12. It's $7 saved for the casual buyer, but it's also a $12 loss for Fangamer and Toby Fox.

Maybe Toby Fox should stock more purchasing options? This purchase wouldn't have happened because the product being offered was not the product the buyer wanted. A rational purchaser who only wanted Sans wouldn't buy the set because they didn't want the set, they wanted Sans. If Toby wants that 12 dollars he shouldn't have tried to double or triple dip on his enamel pins.

>Of course this is all hypothetical. But the point is that when a buyer actively chooses unofficial producers over official producers, it becomes a problem.

This is why and how capitalism works. Producers who offer inferior product should not perform as well. This lack of performance should force them to produce more, better, and cheaper goods that can actually compete in the market instead of be subsidized by weebs who think they should be propped up. Official merch will never improve in quality if you fucking weebs keep doing this shit.

Buy quality items that you like and want, regardless of who made them. Good product should win in the market because it's good, not because it's official.
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>>10026806

>You don't seem to have gotten that anons point. By showing off how much you spend you're saying something like
>>I will keep this IP alive, I will make sure the artist who made this gets fairly compensated, single-handed if I have to.

You literally can't though, at the end of the day only a tiny fraction of the money that you've thrown into them will be actually benefit the artist who drew the image on the merch and the creators who create the IP it's based on. You can't win. Most of your money will go into the business that employs the people who create and manage the IP. They don't care about specific IP sales, but genre sales.

>It's against the spirit to be so selfishly minded. If you want to make bags filled with shit -you- want to look at, that's not really making a bag. It's supposed to be a visual representation of how much you've basically suffered financially in order to give money to the people who made the thing you love.

Making rational economic decisions is not selfish. When official merch is difficult to come by what the fuck do you expect people to do? Buying 200 of the same officia pinl off ebay doesn't see a single cent end up in the pocket of anyone who's been involved in the creation of an IP. Per my point above it's kind of irrelevent, but it's hypocritical to assume that possessing official merch implies that person has actually financially contributed to the success of an IP.

Do you ask every ita bag owner to show you the receipts that say they purchased merch at MSRP from a first party seller?

Some itabaggers may hold themselves to specific standards but they're seen the same as any other elitists (like speedrunnners, no-nut-november participants) The majority of people in this hobby don't care and want an aesthetically pleasing bag that enshrines their favorite characters. Word meanings change, see: "Literally". Just because you think a word means something doesn't mean it means that same something to everyone else.
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>>10028798
I have no answers for you but I'm also interested in making a diorama bag and have cute pics
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>>10029437
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It's time to let this thread die
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>>10029436
Using your points, everyone should just be buying 50 cents charms from Chinese factories because they're the cheapest option. It's not like the creators of the IP will ever see any of that money anyway since the money from purchasing one button will be mostly allocated to other people who worked on the product. After all, how much of a cut could they get from a 600 yen button? 10 yen?
Everyone knows how capitalism works, Jane, but some of us have morals and loyalty to our favorite franchise.
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>>10029459

>everyone should just be buying 50 cents charms from Chinese factories because they're the cheapest option

You already are buying 50 cent charms from Chink factories you dumb shit. Your favorite IP aren't going to do any better because YOU bought a charm. Runs of official merch are always planned with a very fixed stock and they know ahead of time that they will sell out every single time. Supply will always be exhausted because the curve is engineered to never meet demand to drive FOMO. Because of this merch sales are almost never factored into business decisions unless the franchise is designed to sell merch (i.e. Yo Kai Watch Beyblade, Bakugan). In which case the role is switched, the anime is the merch and the merch is the anime in a way.

The only thing that matters to the people that make IP decisions for shows is viewership on Japanese television because the only thing that recoups their immediate investment is eyes on advertisements. There is very little you as a westerner can do. You should be worried about buying the merch you want to hot glue period (fan or official). If you really want to help your favorite franchises get a fucking job, save your money, and invest in them directly.

The ultimate ita bag flex is to just stuff in printouts of your share ownership from the company who owns your favorite franchise. If you like Persona for example, the ticker you want is SGAMF on OTCMKTS.
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>>10029469
>The only thing that matters to the people that make IP decisions for shows is viewership on Japanese television
Give me back the time you spent trying to convince me you know anything about how the industry works.
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>>10029471

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I just think you're fucking retarded and need to take an economics class.
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>>10029473
>talks about economics
>has no idea how anime industry actually works
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>>10029473
How do you write all this and not know there are only two anime airing prime-time this season? It sounds like you're very passionate about this, but instead of doing any sort of research, you're assuming that the generalizations you learned in class can be applied to any industry in any country.
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>>10029413
>>10029418
Japan doesn't want westerners to have these items at all though, as evidenced by the fact they don't ship abroad and block foreign credit cards 99% of the time. You cannot have any sway in a market that firstly is doing absolutely fine without your input and secondly doesn't want your money anyway.

Not to mention you have no understanding whatsoever of how licensing works for items like this. There is a trade off between retaining rightful ownership of your IP and delivering good, reasonably priced products. You cannot have both.

>>10029436
Dictionaries are not prescriptive and list the actual usage of words, not whether it is correct to use them in that way. Also only stupid Americans use literally like that, the entire rest of the English speaking world is laughing at you.
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>>10029469
> Because of this merch sales are almost never factored into business decisions

I love it when people have no idea what they're talking about.
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>>10029752
But anon don't you know? All series make their entire production and advertising costs back from the blu-ray! No company ever designs a series to be marketable to maximize returns on the abysmal profits!
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>>10029440

Thread's dying and going to shit but I just wanted to post that I appreciate you posting these two inspo pictures. Thanks, anon.
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>>10029418
>>10029436
Shut the fuck up already. Here's another (You) to make you feel better.
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>>10029820
I thought this was a blender.
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>>10029958
Real fans blend all their merch and drink it.
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>>10029820
Hey you're welcome anon, I'm feeling inspired to make a diorama bag. This was on twitter, the poster said they bought the bag from Daiso
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>>10029581
I'm just jumping in to ask why is it that some Japanese companies refuse to sell to foreigners? Is it literally just that they don't want the filthy white devils money? It feels like it goes against basic business sense to turn away potential customers like that, even if they weren't your target audience.
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>>10030211
Depending on which market you're talking about, but there are many reasons: fraud prevention, marketplace segmentation, licensing conflicts, wanting to avoid controversies, plain old xenophobia...the list goes on.
There are actually some companies actively trying to reach out to a global market, but the industry is sustained fine by Japanese people, so why take the risk?
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>>10030211
It's not just formal companies either, you ever try to buy from secondhand shops like otamart and mercari? They'll give the "I don't sell to gaijin" line depending on the seller and it sucks.
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>>10030023

Wow, thanks anon. You're the best. I'm going to have a friend see if they can find it when they go to Japan.

>>10029958
Hah, sorry. I thought it was a funny pic even if it wasn't a bag.
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>>10030459
Classic racism as always from the nips.
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>>10030276
>but the industry is sustained fine by Japanese people, so why take the risk?
But it's not. Just look at all the crap Abe's done to prop up the economy. Japanese people just think this way.

They have massive room for global expansion, but they don't take it because they're generally risk averse.
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I have a conundrum. I have different types of to use for my itabags but some they’re hard to see (or they may look juvenile?) and I think it’s the type of material. I want to use it but I also want my bag to be presentable. Pic in question.

I remember hearing someone here told me that my base bag (black polkadot Swimmer) might not be fitting for the character as it’s too cutesy so I’m debating on a different bag but I don’t know what to do with that one and this bootleg heart one. I feel like for my sake I want one bag for fanmade stuff and the other for official stuff but they’d contain all the characters in the franchise, but I also want one for exclusively 1 character.

What would you do in this scenario?
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>>10031173
Remove that nasty protective front off your Knuckles charm for starters.
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>>10031261
That’s the problem and that’s what I’m trying to say, anon. It can’t be peeled off.
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>>10031262
I think you just haven't tried hard enough, anon. It definitely can be peeled off; there's air bubbles between it and the acrylic, and the edges around the hole are ragged.
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>>10031310
Oh. Sorry. Thank you anon, I got it off now. It came off of some of them before but I couldn’t figure out how to get the others off; felt like I was ruining the charm by scraping. I did it for all of them now.

So what about the pins? Like the Amy? Is there nothing I can do about them?
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>>10031333
I can't tell what exactly the material doming the pins are. If it's resin, maybe some resin polish could help? If you can tell me the materials of the image + the doming maybe I can come up with some better suggestion.
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>>10031336
Uh, I don’t know too much about material but I found the Etsy to them and it’s described as “These are pins are made from a durable plastic with golden pin backs.“ I was planning to buy the rest of her pins but I wish she used a clearer material perhaps?
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>>10031357
I think it's probably resin. I'm not the most experienced but I'd say perhaps resin polish might be worth a try. Or maybe a general google search for ways to make resin shinier. It's hard to tell if it's cloudy all the way through or if it's just the surface layer. Sorry I can't be of much help!
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>>10031363
I’ll have to take a look then. Thank you for the idea.
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>>10031333
Sometimes you have to gentlely use like a pair of scissors to get the protective front off, it may seem like it doesn't come off but trust me it's definitely able to come off.
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>>10030802
Abe's such a shitty prime minister and it boggles my mind that people actually listen to what he has to say over there.





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