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Old thread's OP image broke during the 4chan glitch and thread approached autosage >>9322411

This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. So, consider this a thread for those whose style is on the right half of Buttcape's Lolita Family Triangle: http://www.kawacura.com/moripress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/0dmmLH6-350x350.jpg

>Shopping spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12fA-VA2PkRctKPlYFsT3GnIba-Ytdt-RArDfLw0Bba4

>Blogs for current boystyle releases, news, and info
http://www.palaceofprincesintl.com
ouji-armoire.tumblr.com
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com (She's back!)

Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged; we've seen most of it by now.

DISCUSSION: What's your favorite theme to use in a coord?
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>Discussion items from the end of the last thread
AatP's new release is ugly
Japanese people are short
How senpais change
Jabot + epaulet = Jabopalet
Makeup??
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last thread there was some discussion about how ouji works with substyles. all evidence i have found suggests that for every lolita substyle or theme, there is a complementary ouji version. here are a few examples where they occur as part of the same page or spread.

pic related, sweet
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classic
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gothic
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>>9462978
other half of the spread shows "school," which is more of a theme
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>>9462981
classic
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>>9462988
"gothic and lolita boy and girl"
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>>9462990
punk version
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gothic
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>>9462996
gothic again

gothic ouji is commonly paired with what we might call femme aristocrat, which magazines/snaps/a few current shop staff call madam, lady, princess, or shokujo-kei
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>>9463003
goyhic lolita with gothic ouji (thank you, visual kei, for providing us with male models for lolita and ouji)
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>>9463016
>goyhic
oy vey

also the honorifics here are weird, like "Yura-sama in ouji, and Aya-kun in lolita"

as though only Mana-sama can don a dress and retain godlike status
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>>9463018
anyway sweet
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>>9463027
more sweet
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>>9463031
sailor/seifuku in opposing corners

so basically, since the same group of designers make boystyle that make lolita, whatever style or theme you can imagine for lolita can exist in ouji.

so bust out those soda jerk coords to go with the AP diner sets
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all right you nerds what are you up to? is it a dead season for boystyle?
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43cm wide chest, BPN gilet/sleeveless jacket

super cheap, great for gothic, punk, or visual coord: http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154070960001
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a soft blue coord from Ozz On
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>>9468359
and dragon-printed items from their 2017 Spring/Summer collection
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bouffant hair: y or n?
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>>9471100
Maybe if it was short, or a different texture or smth, but that specifically looks kinda gross.
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>>9465896
It's getting hot out here, so the layers aren't very... appealing.
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>>9463031
Am I the only one really not keen on sweet boystyle? It aleads looks off and weird to me in a way sweet lolita doesn't
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>>9471100
I don't like it, but it is unique looking.

>>9471311
I really don't think it works well with ouji. The images posted just don't really say ouji to me and more regular jfashion since it's so much more girlie. Some sweet ouji I've seen does work, like sailor to an extent but overall it really seems very hard to pull off. I think maybe on someone not so feminine themselves it would work?
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>>9471364
sweet ouji is common, but because sweet is often hyper-feminine, it can seem strange for boystyle because it is unusual for masculine styles to celebrate sweetness.

here are some non-magazine examples, including some DIY
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>>9471788
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>>9471796
AatP has been trending sweet lately
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>>9471802
new Maxicimam (these were also posted to the last thread)
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>>9471788
This one, while is a man still doesn't seem right to me. I just see costume because of the brighter colors.

>>9471792
The darker colors make it work better, it's a step in the right direction for a sweeter ouji coord.

>>9471796
I just straight up dislike this, might be the posing though.

>>9471802
This is laughably awful though, I wish they just made normal pants. Honestly most of AaTP's newer stuff is just been kinda bad.
>>9471806
Is nice, I like the colors and overall look of it. I'd of gotten this if the trim wasn't different for both pieces.

I do think it can work, I like this coord, which appears to be sweet.
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>>9471806
finally back to a magazine, but a snap (GLB winter 2016)
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>>9471809
yes, that is sweet.

people often say sweet lolita looks like a costume, and that is part of many sweet ouji coords as well. it can get very Out There
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>>9471813
I really think what pushes me over the edge is when people attempt pastel or bright colored sweet ouji. If it's more natural toned with sweet elements I don't get that feeling as much.

>>9471810
Is nice, although I'm never been a fan of girlie lolita shoes in ouji.
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>>9471824
that one is a bit classic, imo, a sort of blend maybe. feminine does not always equate to sweet, much as with lolita. sometimes it helps to imagine the coord with a skirt instead of pants to see where it might fall. unfortunately, that is a distinction not even all lolitas can agree on

but fortunately, labels are fluid. mixing things up is fine, and the boundaries between substyles can overlap.

here is a manly-man's cut in ouji style, though as pointed out by Gropey, this man's custom works tend to be too boxy and a bit shapeless. but drawing from the Rococo/Georgian era or another men's fashion template does something interesting to sweet coords, pushing them out of the moe-shoujo sweet look of pumpkin pants
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>>9471842
and into something that focuses more on fanciful trim and fantasy of a more josei style, maybe

sweet like this is distinguished from historic-inspired classical by use of its achronistic trim, exaggerated features, and "oshare" or shiny-ness
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>>9471848
>achronistic
*anachronistic
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>>9471842
It's for sure a blend, which is probably why I like it more than a traditionally sweet outfit. Any examples of super ott sweet with ouji I have never ever seen work before.

Yea, his stuff is rather boxy. Nonetheless he makes the brighter colors work because of the length of the pants and other more elegant styling. Ouji in general needs more colorful options.

>>9471848
Don't look bad, but the right's vest looks a little oversized on them. Still the white is nice.
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>>9471854
>the right's vest looks a little oversized on them
oujis are allergic to tailoring

they break out in lower-resale-value hives
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>>9474455
I actually bought that same vest (in blue) and had it altered because it hung off of me like that. I was worried that the tailor was going to think it was a costume and do a lazy job on it or something, but it actually turned out really well and fit me much better afterwords. Has anyone else had any experience getting their ouji stuff tailored?
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>>9474698
I haven't needed to tailor an ouji item yet, but I have wanted to modify lolita dresses/skirts into shirts/shorts. Not sure my skill level is that good yet.
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>>9474698
not yet, i have been afraid to alter my brand. i figure i could see the item instead and buy one that fits better, since the item in question is Boz.

bitches love men's sized Boz. the shoulders are too big for me and would probably fit a larger ouji well.
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>>9471120
that's where styles like preppy, casual, or sailor ouji come in
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>>9471854
>Don't look bad, but the right's vest looks a little oversized on them.
>>9474698
>I actually bought that same vest (in blue) and had it altered because it hung off of me like that
It would be awesome if there was more info about which items tend to fit which body types better. It looks like it might work on broader chests like pic related, unless this was by chance also tailored.
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What is Putumayo quality like for jackets specifically?
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>>9477675
idk

but if anyone is into dark classic or gothic, there is a medium-sized (39cm shoulders, 45cm chest) Midas brocade-looking coat up on Mens Closet Child. the cut is more modern, but it's new with tags: originally 38k yen, now 3,800.

http://www.m-closetchild.jp/phone/product/91255

out of season for those in the northern hemisphere, but looks elegant, mature, and could be easily embellished
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>>9477810
>tfw i am blind

actually was 29,800 before tax. still a good deal
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>>9476538
im a male and i like very much ouji and dandy style is only for girls or is unisex
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>>9476061
>preppy
I'm interested in this one, got anymore examples?
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New AatP
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>>9478656
ouji is unisex.
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>>9478671
here are a few from KERA. first here is a regular school-themed coord from a fashion show. school is like sailor, and brands put out a good amount of school-themed releases. however, it is a bit formal for daily wear, which is where prep/preppy comes in

>captcha is school crossing signs
thanks, big brother google
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>>9479378
preppy is sort of "casual school." there have been preppy lolita examples posted elsewhere, which follow the same idea. school uniform plus lolita/ouji brand items in a dressed-down way
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or something like that
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>>9477675
It's pretty good. Like, the fabric is not aatp or Boz level, but I haven't had any issues with it coming apart or the buttons falling off (looking at you, aatp). Basically Putumayo is usually meant to be worn a bit more casually, and the materials reflect that. Fabric is less stiff, but wrinkles a bit easier in my experience. I have the jacket in your picture and would recommend it. It's really light weight, so it'll be great for warmer months.
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>>9460968
so is boystyle lolita something females wear to look like little boys, or are those actually very feminine men there?
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>>9479449
Why not use your eyeballs? This thread is full of images.
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>>9480068
got a crush on totentanz?
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>>9480099
Nayrt, who doesn't?
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>>9479229
you can't just throw a craft store onto a straw hat and call it a tricorn and charge $300 for it, AatP
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>>9480077
>>9480099
>>9480100
dubs get more totentanz

this looks like his most recent coord, his insta ouji pics are mostly him uploading an old photo and saying he misses wearing it. a lot of the oujis i used to admire have stopped, which is kind of sad
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>>9480115
Seeing this clusterfuck of a board I'm not gonna blame them.
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>>9480104
And I thought my first tricorn was bad. Yikes.
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>>9480384
you can't just say that and not post pics
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>>9480388
My shame is hidden away and squashed. Just imagine a cheap felt hat with shitty lace hot glued on and a questionable use of fabric paint. At least I know what not to do next time.
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>>9479229

The new version of the Captan Hollow blouse looks bad. It just doesn't look as nice as the old version, or as good quality. The large buttons look cheap and clunky, in comparison to Captain Hollow's small at neat ones, with a faux pearl one at the neck, and the new blouse's back looks empty without the corset lacing detailing on the Captain Hollow blouse.

I'm also unsure about that lace 'curtain' on the corset, and the hat.... I agree with the other anon.
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>>9480395
>questionable use of fabric paint
oh no

>>9480446
i believe the original Hollow also came in two sizes, while this set looks like another single-size release.
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>>9480477
Yup, Captain Hollow came in a ladies and a mens size.

I massively regret not going for the mens size because of how ridiculously small the long sleeve cuffs on the ladies size are, while fitting perfectly on the body. It's a gorgeous blouse.
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>>9460968
>throwing ougi and aristocrat together then referencing a source (the triangle) that singlehandedly proves you wrong

This is why people ignore your shitty thread.
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New shirt from MmM
I love you Mana but that shirt is ugly. Hope you guys like it so at least someone pays his rent this month

http://moi-meme-moitie.shop-pro.jp/?pid=117989328
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>>9480608
i'd wear it

but my budget for new MmM this season is reserved for a long gilet. also it would be nice to see the shirt worn so i hope he does a selfie soon. i like the weird cuffs and the high collar, though it looks a bit loose. that would be inconvenient for neckwear
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>>9480573
>not being able to spell ouji

If you actually read the OP, they literally say that they are different styles, but there is a lot of overlap between them. There is also typically not enough interest in masculine aristocrat to warrant it getting it's own thread.
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>>9480897
I've started femme Aristocrat threads but those usually fade out fairly quickly sadly again due to lack of interest, mainly due to it not having many wearers. It might be worth trying to start an Aristocrat general for femme and homme evrsions?
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>>9480573
Someone's salty their ~men only~ thread is complete shit and not Ouji.
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>>9481015
part of the problem is Aristocrat has no brand presence outside Moitie, which itself has dwindled to almost nothing. the way the west defines aristo is not that compatible with Japanese websites and social media, so finding more inspo is difficult - Aristocrat as the West uses it is not a living fashion in Japan.

HOWEVER, labels are fluid and language changes and even if it is not a "cousin of lolita" in Japan, it is too entrenched as a pseudo-jfashion in the West to just handwave away the way we do with kodona and dandy and even sometimes otome. and i have been gathering a heck of a lot of photos and screenshots for the fashion styles/themes the West calls aristocrat, just to explore what labels Japanese use for them, to expand the knowledge base of the western comm and to give aristocrats search terms that may be more likely to turn up results on Japanese sites, or help make their perusal of GLBs/KERAs more interesting.

i think you & i have talked circles around the topic (if you are the same poster who usually does aristo threads), and my concern is still that the majority of those who use the aristo label do it to re-classify coords that would, in Japan, be considered lolita or ouji, and place them into a more respectable category. it perpetuates stereotypes about ouji especially, infantalizing the fashion while setting aristocrat up as the "mature, masculine" ideal.

that bugs the shit out of me.

if it weren't for that--if the western community had gathered a different set of coords to represent "aristocrat" with than ones that are literally labelled ouji in the original source material--if it was closer to >>9458952 or had its own distinguishing characteristics--it would be great to have its own thread. but most people use "aristocrat" to mean "ouji that doesn't threaten male ego." it is more of a substyle or theme of ouji than it resembles what Mana envisioned.
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>>9480897
back when we did the poll about splitting, homme aristo wearers preferred to stay in /ouG/, mostly because when you get down to it the styles and brands are the same. a thread specifically for Japanese gothic might have a broader appeal, but gothic threads in general tend to limp along.

i have a dump ready for "heavy gothic" inspo (h. Naoto Blood, alice auaa, Stigmata; stuff Shiratama tends to wear) that could be repurposed for an EGA-like thread without cannibalizing ouji.
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>>9481232
I'm just sitting over here with popcorn, but if one of you generous anons would be willing to spam some ouji vs aristo examples that would be awesome. I can't tell the difference if the ouji isn't wearing shorts desu.
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>>9481408
that is because a lot of people use aristocrat to mean ouji with pants or lolita with a tea-length, or longer, skirt.

however, no matter how you define aristo, there will be overlap. even a coord branded by Mana himself, like pic related, can meet the qualifications for ouji. to me, the difference is in how it is styled. ouji tends to have a fresh-faced, minimal or "no makeup" makeup, with hair that is well coiffed and managed but not extreme. EGA has a more gothic/visual and sensual manner of styling, which is often reflected in its draping layers, asymmetrical cuts, and vampy makeup. arisrocrat silhouettes tend to be more modern & mature, in that they may flow with the body's contours, use leather or pleather corsets and harnesses, and long cutsews or overskirts that sort of blur the division between layers.

you could think of EGA as visual ouji, maybe
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>>9481462
there are also coords where there is no meaningful distinction besides what the person applying the label intends. pic related is only distinct from ouji in the name Mana gave it. it is otherwise very similar to what the rest of the gothic & lolita world calls ouji.
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>>9481468
similar to >>9481462, here is a simple "elegant ouji" look from a member of the vkei band Nightmare as shown in the GLB. aside from Mana's makeup and crazy gothic hair, there is no significant difference.
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when ouji adds more layers, the differences can become clearer. ouji usually uses items that are sort of thick or structured, unlike Moitie's usually flowy EGA items. in the coord on the right, there is a blockiness to the layers, where they are clearly distinct from each other. there is also more of a fantasy, pseudo-historic (like an anime version of historic Europe) look, compared to the glam-vampire look of much of EGA.
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>>9481481
pic related is an example of an ouji coord that would be considered aristocrat by the west, since the west has redefined aristo to mean "mature, more historically inspired ouji." that distinction is a fabrication the same as "kodona" was, though.

even though this image is labelled ouji, i have seen a cropped version of it used to explain aristocrat.
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>>9481500
this image of Akira (on the right) is another coord labelled ouji which is cropped and used as an example of aristocrat. this is the other kind of look the west imagines aristocrat to be, the standard jacket+(faux)vest+pants formula with or without jabot.

it would be like if Mary Magdalene coords were considered something different from lolita because they were nothing like the often fanciful/glitzy AP or BTSSB. the more classic or mature ouji coords got reshuffled under the "arisrocrat" umbrella for mostly arbitrary reasons, which i will not speculate on at this time.

in my opinion, whether you classify a coord as ouji or aristocrat is not due to some easily identifiable essence of either style, but your own affiliation with or exposure to different schools of thought about what boystyle lolita is. except in cases where there are puffy shorts or extravagent cutsews involved, you can use either label for what you wear and probably develop a reasonably good argument to defend your position. or you can just call it boystyle lolita and skip the debate.
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So /ouG/ what kind of basic information do you think belongs in how to ouji video?
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>>9482274
what to call it: not kodona or dandy, boystyle lolita is fine, aristocrat is sometimes a synonym or substyle or unrelated depending on who you talk to

what it is: a unisex fashion meant to be the male version of lolita. follows similar rules about coordination and body coverage. kind of fairy tale/anime Europe fashion. ouji-kei is mentioned in the first Gothic and Lolita Bibles and is generally treated as a companion or mirror of lolita, usually taking a backseat to it.

what to wear: minimum is blouse and bottoms and legwear and shoes with styled hair and clean, fresh face. usually a vest and neckwear is added. sometimes jacket and hat.

where to buy what to wear: brand is best because modern shirts and shorts do not have the right silhouette or fanciful little touches. can get away with offbrand sometimes but it needs to be well-shaped, good quality, etc. secondhand is cheap. if you are bigger than the average Japanese slender adult, you may have to go to Fan+Friend, taobao, or Western brands that make ouji such as Ikemen Mode or Elegy. there are fewer options than lolita even though most ouji is made by brands that also make lolita and things like blouses, vests, jackets, etc. can be worn in a coord for either style.

optional stuff, maybe covered in 102 video:

historic inspiration: mostly rococo menswear and victorian boys and menswear, but also a LOT of Napoleonic menswear influence as well as Edwardian and straightup anime/JRPG, especially for hair styles. and all of this is in a more modern cut

substyles: literally the exact same as lolita (see beginning of thread for some examples)

where to wear besides just by your badself: joining a comm, attending meetups, alternative fashion events and conferences, anime or comic or pop culture conventions that have an alternative or jfash presence

where to find more info: bloggers like Buttcape, Deerstalker ouji videos, other vloggers you recommend, etc.
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>>9482349
>bloggers
also Palace of Princes seems dead even in their new blog, unupdated for ages. may strike it from the OP for next thread.

Ouji's Armoire is working on their own version of how-tos so people can probably use that plus Buttcape's guide for the most current information.
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>>9482352
Palace of Princes tumblr still updates on a daily basis. Probably better to link to that instead of removing it completely.

http://palaceofprincesupdates.tumblr.com
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>>9482366
ah thanks. i skimmed and did not see the new AatP reservation posted and so made an incorrect assumption.
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>>9481523
Thank you anon, you truly are the reason I keep coming to this ridiculous board.
I know when it comes to fashion like this a lot of information is based on speculation and opinions, but you have a very eloquent way of putting things that makes it believable as facts.
Hopefully at least half of that made sense.
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>>9482435
thank you kindly


someday i will have a blog and you will be free from this cursed place

>I know when it comes to fashion like this a lot of information is based on speculation and opinions
yes! and when it is presented as a kind of canon, wherein the speculator claims or implies their opinion is how it is truly done in Japan, it influences people who feel less experienced or who cannot access source information. since those who had the GLBs often only shared fragments of them to the public in order to encourage people to buy them, the culture was significantly shaped by the tastes and opinions of a small number of people. for ouji, this meant a scarcity of information that led to people more or less making things up to fill in the knowledge gaps.

and resulted in things like coords called literally "butler style" (inspired by Kuroshitsuji) being cropped and shared as an example of "aristocrat." which is the funniest "lost in translation" example i have found so far.
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new Buttcape blog post with list of/links to patterns for ouji: http://buttcape.blogspot.com/2017/05/ouji-and-aristocrat-sewing-patterns-and.html?m=1

for all you DIY types
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>>9483444
I guiltily admit to often using 'aristocrat' as a style label as sadly it's often the easiest way to communicate certain looks as they are perceived outside of Japan, especially seeing as well known figures as such buttcape and iiralina use the terms. I know it self-perpetuates things, but at the same time, I do acknowledge that what's often labelled as male aristocrat falls under ouji. It's a commication thing.
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>>9483725
That's understandable. Aristocrat is a simpler term to explain the style to random westerners.
At least you aren't telling people it's dandy or kodona!
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>>9484046
Urgh, heavens no. I can see why this viewing of the more elegant aspects of feminine jgoth and ouji have been joined together as a single style in the eyes of some, especially if you look at the male and female versions of pieces released by the likes of Moitie and Boz that would fall under these sorts of brackets, even if by the Japanese scene's eyes they haven't been. The masculine and feminine versions of pieces can look a lot alike, and it can be very convenient (and like you say, 'easier') to label them under one style, that's become known to many as 'aristocrat fashion'. Especially so if you say, put together two outfits, near identicaly styled, with the same makeup, accessories, blouse, jacket, etc, but where the only differences is one will be styled with long pants as an ouji outfit, while the other outfit swaps the pants out for a skirt or dress, which would put it under a different style label. You can see why under such circustances the looks can be put together as the masculine and feminine variants of one style, in this case, 'aristocrat'.

What is much more incorrect is to label these looks as EGA, as that's specifically Moitie's clothing line. You can still see why it's mislabelled though, especially if a non-fan of the specific brands might not be able to tell the individual brands' pieces apart.
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>>9484459
We've already established the 'difference' between ouji and aristocrat so I don't quite get the context of your post.
I said it's understandable because when I've had people ask what I'm wearing they're usually just more confused when I say "ouji" because then I have to elaborate by saying it's a Japanese fashion or it's related to lolita which opens a whole other can of worms. I'm patient and don't mind most of the time, but I know if I said something along the lines of "aristocrat" or "kind of like neo Victorian" those random people on the street who don't really care would just move on.
It's like the people who wear lolita that tell randos they're wearing EGL or "Alice style".
Not saying it's preferable. Just understandable.
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>>9484749
That's what I was agreeing with, on the matter of understandability matter and puttin thoughts to why.
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Do you wear berets? what do you look for in a beret that is suitable for ouji?
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>>9486256
I really like this style for whatever reason, though they aren't common in j-fasion.
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>>9486765
that is cute af

>>9486256
when i think of berets, i imagine one of two types. one is the cartoonist's depiction of a french artist's beret, usually blue with a little blip on top. the other is military, black, with an insignia.

i want a military beret like mad.
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ay yo wanna buy a fancy gothic buttcape for ¥3240?

http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154070656001
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Excentrique double-breasted(ish) waistcoat, looks like it is from their limited mens line: http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/phone/product/130307
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So I saw this red and green Mad Hatter AatP hat on Wunderwelt and thought:

Has anyone actually bought one of the Nutcracker AatP sets for a Christmas coord? I feel like oujis never get as thematic as lolitas do even when themed sets exist.
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>>9492220
not into sweet, so the nutcracker sets and general themed coords are not for me.

as for others, people tend to treat ouji itself as a theme rather than having themed outfits. rather, if the outfit has a theme, it is the type of person the ouji is dressing as: pirate, prince, rabbit, vampire, etc.
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Ikemen Mode has still not updated their shop with their actual clothes, but Sasa has some: http://sadesignbysasa.tictail.com/

the sizes of the ouji items are not much bigger than the average Japanese brand, though. still, there are hats and other items at decent prices.
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>>9492220
I like doing themed outfits; it's probably why my wardrobe isn't as cohesive as I'd like. Circus, Alice in wonderland, occult, guro, etc.
Even have a specific anime inspired outfit planned, but it has a lot of pastels and no black so it's a little outside my comfort zone.
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>>9493715
>occult, guro
yo i would love to see some of that if you are up for sharing
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>>9494202
If I get a chance next week I'll take pictures of a couple of outfits laid out. Just warning you, they'll probably be underwhelming because all I really do is pair themed leg wear and accessories with typical ouji shorts/shirts.
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Has this happened to you?
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if you want to buy or reserve Ichigo15 products but do not use Taobao, Wunderwelt offers it also: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/fleur/brands/ichigo-15

>>9494783
i do not post to CoF, but i have gotten that kind of remark from posting/being posted to other places
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if anyone here went to Paradiso i would like your honest thoughts on the ouji pageant
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>>9494783
>>9495522
I feel bad anons but I will never take hubba hubba seriously.
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hey, check it out, a sugary-sweet ouji release with reasonable shorts length. kinda like the cuff detail, though it is a bit amateur looking

>>9496004
>dat pic
>tfw he used to post to /ouG/
RIP in pieces bro, if you still lurk i am so sorry for your exemplary suffering
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AatP why
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>>9498572
Jesus the waist is just so unflattering
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>>9481523
>>9462990
Anyone know the name of these chains that go across jabot or jacket like here? And/or brands that do them? I remember AatP used to do a ton of them but I'm having trouble finding any.
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>>9500050
it think those are just necklaces. you could use decorative chains, brooches, sweater clips, etc. as well.
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>>9494783
Yes I have experienced at least half of those things. But hubba hubba takes the cake.
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my fashion hobby feels like a joke sometimes
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>>9502102
MAM is a joke
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>>9495995
winner related
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>>9504375
Coord and styling look really cool... not my cup of tea as an outfit though. Does anyone have pics of all the people entered? What did the contest entail?
I read something about it months ago but I figured the actual event might be different.
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>>9502598
your mam is a joke

>>9504666
really curious about this too, Satan-sama. there seemed to be an RP element with personas involved that i need to know more about.

i will track down some pics and return later with them
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Aerynsys is selling off her wardrobe. https://egl.circlly.com/users/Aerynsys
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>>9497180
also has a salo version
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Paradiso ouji pageant photos are hard to find

Instagram fails me
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>>9506885
here are the judges
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>>9506887
some coords
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>>9506892
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>>9506895
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>>9506911
this isn't even his final form
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>>9506914
and that is all i have found
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>>9506918

Did he get lost on his way to Hot Topic?
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>>9506911
This is pretty cute.

>>9506918
>>9506914
Thsee are both awful.
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>>9506918
Thank you for your efforts anon. ngl I'm somewhat disappointed. was expecting some representation closer to nightfall or something
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>>9509763
other, bigger cons happened around the time of Paradiso, and many coords from them look better desu. i think Paradiso was too "local" to draw in the variety and dedication of an event like Animazement.
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>>9498572
Taobao: 1
AatP: 0
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>>9509926
I'm seriously tempted by this, I don't recognise the brand though so would be concerned about the quality
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heads up, Wunderwelt has a lot of men's size ouji items from Boz and AatP in, including a Halloween print vest and pants set: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-25787

and a silver and black Thaddeus: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-25790
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What are some Instagrams of oujis that post full shots of worn coords? The tag is half ouija and a quarter random shit and then what's actually ouji fashion is mostly selfies.
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>>9513050
Are you searching oujifashion? That usually helps.
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>>9517906
those boots are an odd choice for a sweeter coord, but there are almost enough punkish elements for it to work
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>>9517906
You can always tell when a cosplayer tries ouji.
Not saying it's bag but damn that makeup.
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>Bodyline pants in 3F fashion show
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No general masculine jfash thread so I'm going to have to ask here: is there any Western second-hand market for MILKBOY stuff at all? I've checked keimarket, depop, eBay and all come up with nothing.

There's a T-shirt I want up on auctions but it's not in my size and I'm worried it'll be way too big - in a cute/cool oversized way, just in a way that'd wreck the print by making it impossible to read the text properly. It's pretty hard for me to figure out how things would fit on me since they only show sizing on male models on their website and the girls who post MILKBOY coords to wear.jp never list the size they're wearing. I'm worried about buying something I won't be able to sell if it doesn't fit (it's not cheap enough for me to just donate). I know some people like their pastel stuff and I could probably sell their more modern vaporwave-looking shit to people that weren't into jfash but I've no idea if there's any market for their older/simpler designs.

Pic semi-unrelated, an example of some of the stuff they used to sell way back when.
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>>9522820
*not in a cute/cool oversized way
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>>9522820
>No general masculine jfash thread
i will get another up on Monday if no one gets there first

there is no MILKBOY Western market but imo there should be, their designs are copied enough. are you involved in a local comm? if you cannot offload it via usual channels, people impulse-buy at swap meets pretty often
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>>9522923
Thanks. I am in a comm but I know none of the girls there are interested in that kind of style. I expected there to be a Facebook sales group for MILK like there are groups for a lot of other jfash brands but I couldn't find one.

I don't really like MILKBOY's recent direction but I have a few guy friends that are /mu/ types and when they saw it they really, really liked it. There are definitely enough guys in the West that like that sort of style to support it - it'd be interesting if they promoted their designs abroad but I guess the price is too high for the quality for it to sell well. At least with MILK there's a bit more that goes into the construction and the designs are more unique so buying first-hand can seem worthwhile, but so much of the MILKBOY line is $100 T-shirts that I never buy anything from them new. Then again, guys pay over $100 for Supreme T-shirts so maybe if it was marketed right it could work...
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good deal on IW salo, 78cm waist with 106cm hip, 7800 yen: http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/phone/product/134924
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Are shoes with thin heels too effeminate or out of place looking for ouji? I noticed in most photos that a lot of people have the chunky heels associated with gothic or wear boots.

This is the pair of shoes I have in question.
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>>9526828
it would be nitpick level for me, but yeah they are a bit too feminine.
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>>9526828
If they were a bit thicker then you might be able to get away with it, but that size is too feminine for ouji
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>>9526828
Not a fan of stilettos(?) in ouji. Personally I feel they add a 'tee hee I'm a sexy boy!' vibe if that makes any sense. Like vintage ladies doing men's wear?
If heels are worn with ouji it's usually wedges or chunky heels.
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>>9526828
The thin heel is too feminine. Heels started as men's wear but they were more chunky heel. Stick to that.
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>>9527098
>Personally I feel they add a 'tee hee I'm a sexy boy!' vibe if that makes any sense.
I definitely get what you mean there, I really like ouji but don't want to look like a Yana Toboso character. Thanks for the input anons!
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>>9527141
No problem. Other than 'too fem' shoes people really aren't picky about footwear. I frequently wear platforms, creepers (ones on a more formal side), winklepickers, and various boots.
Btw which shorts are those?
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>>9527346
I can't find them on lolibrary but they're from Black Peace Now.
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>>9528129
Of course... RIP.
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>>9520764
And not even the better looking pants. Shame.
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new Elegy ouji release, with print
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>>9529784
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>>9529784
Don't care for the style of jabot, but I'm hype for that vest.
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>>9529784
>>9529785

I low key expect the jabot to lift its wings and fly off the mannequin any moment now.

The vest looks sweet, though.
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>>9529784
the pants are a decent length, but so plain. why not add trim like the dresses have?
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>>9530150
>>9530159
it looks a bit like a fancy napkin, which gives me an idea for my next tea party: napkins folded jabot style
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this is an ouji half-dinosaur i found on Instagram

you're welcome
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ok i like this gilet.
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newfag here: what's the opinion on self-made for ouji? i'm 6'+ and finding shit that's long enough for me can be difficult, so i'm not sure how my luck would go with japanese brands
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>>9535194
Depends on if you're slim built or broader in the chest and torso. Height is a whole other issue, but if you're too wide handmade may be the way to go. Honestly no one will care if it looks good and if it's really good they'll be impressed
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>>9528129
Actually browsing wunderwelt it looks like they have another pair of them for sale:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-26490
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>>9529784
>>9531257
I ordered the white today
unfortunately the shirt was sold out
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want a ¥3,800 casual ouji bottom? http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/136667

>>9535801
please update us on quality and fit when it arrives!
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>>9535204

>self-made for ouji.

iirc Ikemen Mode started out as self-made for ouji because the boyfriend also didn't quite fit Japanese size ouji.

I should warn you you're getting into a hobby with a lot of dress nerds and detailed-oriented, picky people. By "self-made ouji" what you really need is "well-tailored stuff sewn by someone who seems to actually know what they're doing" and not "babby's first cosplay". The first will get you a lot of admirers. The second -- well, don't bother showing up unless you enjoy being gently ostracised.
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>>9540074

Deorart is punk.

I mean.... this is a pretty hilarious pair of pants. But I guess punk has its own thing about these kinds of pants.
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>>9540180

Whoops, meant to reply to >>9535194
Sorry for quoting wrong post.
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>>9540182
Deorart advertises a bunch of their stuff as ouji
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>>9540550

Punk ouji maybe?
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For those that didn't know, Moitie's sale includes a lot of their EGA and man-sized stuff.

http://moi-meme-moitie.shop-pro.jp/?mode=cate&cbid=714193&csid=0&sort=n
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>>9542090
i feel bad but i do not even want the ones i would fit
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>going to convention
>working gothic&lolita booth
>wearing ouji all three days

Mana-sama, please let there be decent AC this year. at least i finally bought a short sleeved blouse
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August KERA has a section called "gothic and ouji", not "gothic and lolita"! feel special, fellow princes.
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>>9551514
link: http://kerastyle.jp/magazine/2011
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>>9551515
I rarely wear wigs with ouji but I'm tempted to style a wig in this kind of J fashion mullet
Anyone have pictures of similar hairstyles being used?
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bumping with my favorite seagull
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Sorta thinking about getting this set. Thoughts?
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>>9555057
I'm not really keen on printed ouji nromally but I do like the shorts. The belts on the vest look a little more awkward though.
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>>9555082
I like the shorts the most too.

I keep finding so many shorts I love, but can't find any tops I really like that match x.x
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severe autism edition
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>>9540180
i'm trained in tailoring so i'm more worried about being somewhat lacking in the design department. might lurk a bit more before i try some things out.
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>>9551515
>not posting the AatP look

could this be a return to the brand's roots?
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>>9555082
agreed on the vest, it lacks structure. a heavier fabric would have been a better choice.

>>9552913
the jrock mullet never goes out of style
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>>9558615
add curls & color like dude on left for a unique take
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>>9558618
Aerynsys had a colorful but more traditionally-shaped version
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>>9558621
this looks like extensions. if you want versatility, using extensions on a styled wig lets you adjust for length, color, and that curly-mullet idea i would like more people to try.
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>>9558622
couple jmullets already in thread:

>>9460988
>>9481523

and one more, from Akira Queen of Mullets, to end minidump
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>>9558634
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you!
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>>9558614
their new sweet reservation seems sort of root-like, but i do not recall them doing a sweet all-over print like this before.
>>9559107
ayy i try, you are welcome
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more AatP new shit

idk what their deal is anymore
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>>9560098
a straw top hat?
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more harlequin
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>>9560102
those were all one size, but this blouse which comes in PRINCELY PURPLE is available in men's

interesting chest gap (see also KERA's ad coord: >>9558614)
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>>9530150
ok i am digging The Daily Prince's tumblr and just learned they are a seagull so

hey thanks for making ouji art, gullanon
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>tfw no sweet ouji jumpsuit coords

https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/rare-teddy-motors-jumpsuit-pink

this was posted in lolita gen, it's already up to $200 but damn where are all the ouji jumpsuit coords
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>>9561780
Thats not something an ouji would wear.
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>>9560112
Thanks anon, that's really encouraging! Please bear with me while I try to improve.
Speaking of which, I'm always open to suggestions on what to draw or make comics about. Been considering making some intro to ouji things.
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>>9561837
draw an ouji mechanic to show >>9561808 what the world can be like
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AatP has done some steampunkish boystyle recently but i think there is potential for the retro 50s vibe normally only used by sweet lolitas.

need more soda jerks, milkmen, kawaii greasemonkeys, idk. RETRO SWEET BOYSTYLE SHOULD ALREADY EXIST.
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>>9560090
looks Taobao-tier to me, desu
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scan of ouji make tutorial from anon's Melt folder: >>9562206

ouji content is around what the GLB had when it ended, not much at all. if you do not wear lolita it seems not worth buying.
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>>9555057
Have this set, shorts are great, vest not so much. Its just too thin of material for the design and it ends up looking costume like. Shorts are simple and quality enough to pass in a coordinate. I'd suggest the black color way unless you're sure you got some matching blue pieces to balance out your outfit if you do get just the shorts
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hat designed by @veloursrequiem on IG, claiming it as an original design. a bit like the AatP one, no?
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It's clearly heavily inspired by the AaTP Mad Hatter Three-Stage Silk hat. They added extra sewing/craft related ornaments though, I think they had that pin cushion Aatp ring on too to match the hat. Don't think they needed to add the two extra hats to make it even more similar to Aatp's but they wanted to go extra OTT?
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when is it okay to correct someone who calls their coord kodona?
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>>9569154

Always.
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Is there an intro guide to ouji? A lot of these outfits seem very con-ish/meetup-ish.
I want something more casual and subtle I can wear day to day.
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>>9571433
Most of this thread has a lot of normal ouji coords, only a handful are really not suitable for normal daily wear. It really boils down to wearing ouji suitable bottoms + a blouse and maybe a vest/jacket. You don't even need head wear like lolita.

http://buttcape.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-new-ouji-overview-part-1-terminology.html is a pretty good intro to ouji.
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>>9571488
their face looks fucking diseased
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>>9571638
your face looks fucking diseased
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made a dumb thing
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>>9572450
Kodon'tna
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>>9572450
>hyper nitpick mode activating

Kodona is a portmanteau used by a few Japanese to refer to young boys that are neither child nor adult but in between, aka puberty. It's kind of like that awkward middle stage.
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>>9572467
I thought it was just a word Ryuutaro from Plastic Tree made up to describe his style.
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>>9571488
Are there retail sites dedicated to ouji for male, and male sizes that ships in the US?
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>>9572467
no. i believe with all my heart and all my gathered evidence that you are wrong.

>>9572472
it is

>>9572945
sorry man you're gonna have to shelve that fragility and shop from the same shops women shop at. also for the umpteenth time check out Fan+Friend and Ikemen Mode (if they ever put clothes in their shop online)
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>>9561846
I've been working on a reddy motors/diner doll draw but I'm really struggling with making it look more ouji-like.
In the meantime, tag yourselves.
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>>9575894
Definitely gentleman?, except sometimes I wear a neck bow instead.
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>>9575894
MVP, although I share from gentlemen and brand whore too.
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>>9575894
MVP, but very close to brand whore.
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>>9575894
what is aatp?
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>>9576378
Alice and the Pirates, an offshoot line of Baby the Stars Shine Bright. AATP does darker stuff and often has boystyle items in men's sizes, whereas BTSSB is a strictly feminine brand.
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>>9575894
why is BOI separate from shota shit though
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>>9575894
Brand whore except AatP is ugly, exchange for Boz/MmM
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>>9576468
If you google "kodona cosplay" vs "sweet ouji" you get very different image results, as well as different vibes from the people wearing it if you interact with them.

tldr: because I said so
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>>9562438
Any makeup tips for something like this, including lips?

Wish I knew what it said... if those characters are even legible.
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>>9560112
>>9494783
>my sides
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>>9577538
>>9562438
Looks very light on lips, maybe just tinted lip balm. Cheeks have peach blush on the apples and blended towards cheekbones, eyes have light taupe eyeshadow, something light and shimmery by the tear duct, and mascara, possibly with tightlining.
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>>9572456
underrated comment of the year
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>>9577538
adding to >>9577568, all i have time for atm is katakana and my reading is probably wrong. looks like the tutorial advises a brown-gold by the "eyehole" (hilarious but probably "tear duct" as other anon notes), and a medium-brown gradient on the lids.
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Does anyone have pics of an actual child wearing boy style?
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>>9579003
This is a very creepy request
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>>9579003
2nding that this is a creepy question.
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>>9575894
>I've been working on a reddy motors/diner doll draw but I'm really struggling with making it look more ouji-like.
here's some fun casual or genre-skirting KERA coords that might help bust those blocks.

pic related: rock ouji
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>>9579308
top right is NOT explicitly called ouji that i can see, but the frilly necktie with the neat little hat help somewhat loli-fy the jumpsuit of this punk coord. accessory details like that could help make Teddy Motors worthy of any prince-who-works-on-his-own-cars-while-moonlighting-in-a-biker-gang
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>>9579318
also desu i would call it punk ouji myself, the jumpsuit is brand and it has the classic ouji salopette silhouette, just with whack accessories.
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>>9579318
next, i do not know if this will help you, but KERA Maniax had these fun military coords that i do not think have ever been posted before. they are collab shoots with the brands and specifically labelled ouji.

first Boz in the army, not too odd
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>>9579334
but AatP in the Navy kills me
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>>9579337
the Air Force one is NOT ouji, but i want to include it so you can see what a non-ouji military-punk style coord might look like. it is still glam but it does not have those anachronistic/fanciful frills that >>9579318 has (the one i decided is actually ouji even if not labelled explocitly as such). or just compare to the Army/Navy. when lolita brands release this kind of uniform-inspired stuff for their boystyle coords, it can be difficult to figure how they fit into the ouji aesthetic, but when you look at a coord in the same genre (punk-military) WITHOUT the ouji influence, i feel like you can get an idea of what the ouji flavor brings to the mix of styles.
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>>9579342
next, this is a traditional formal ouji coord, but i submit, for your artistic consideration, this retro hairdo.
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>>9579358
finally Akira in an AatP jumpsuit

i think accessories and styling matter most. these jumpsuits are just salopettes you do not need a blouse for, the "OP" for oujis, usually worn in a punkish style. Teddy Motors's biggest issue may be its long sleeves and pants: it covers the WHOLE BODY so accessories are key. but i think we have all seen ouji coords with individual elements of TM: long, loose pants (esp. with AatP), no defined waist (not uncommon with salos or overalls), simplistic design, etc. these individual issues add up for a challening item.

i do not think TM was intended for ouji but i think it is possible.
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>>9579383
>i think it is possible.
*to coord it in an ouji style, that
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>>9579386
>that
*THAT IS

sorry for correction spam, here is a new Ikemen Mode blouse design to compensate. their new collection is chess-inspired, focusing on the bishop.
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>>9579009
>>9579019
Sorry I asked it creepily, I have a kid and want to get/sew an ouji coord for him. He's little so he doesn't give a fuck as long as he can move freely. (Obviously I'd prioritize making it comfortable. I'm fairly experienced making kids clothes so that's not an issue
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>>9579404
you should be able to find the "kids in jfash" thread we had a while back in one of the archives. iirc there were a few oujis.

there is also a Japanese mom on Insta who dresses her small child in ouji, but i only encounter her photos when falling down a rabbit hole of tags. if i encounter her again i will let you know her username.
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>>9579412
Thanks! I'll look for that thread. I was thinking about that girl whose mom made her dresses out of ap skirts and how cute it was.
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>>9560103
That blouse is utterly gorgeous, It's halfway between a blouse and a jacket in the way it's designed (bucket cuffs, buttons either side of the cut-away) and I'm trying t work out how I'd style it. Black brocade trousers and buccaneer boots come to mind.
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New items from Excentrique
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>>9582330
Excentrique why you so expensivue
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Ikemen Mode is soliciting color suggestions for their upcoming parka, and they are also looking for "western sized" models for their RuffleCon fashion show. get in there, large princes.
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finally, a casual hat for daily ouji wear
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KERA has more boystyle snaps! http://kerastyle.jp/news/4449

i do not know how staged they are these days, but i am happy for a diverse range of ouji, including this guy in neck to foot Moitie EGA
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>>9587858
you can select English as your preferred language also. and each coord has detail shots and item rundown
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>>9587860
the skirtish flap over these wideleg pants makes this coord extra butlerish
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>>9587858
>>9587860
Thanks for reminding me that KERA exists, anon! I really like seeing people's age and height info because I'm nosy like that. The translation doesn't seem to work for most of it for me so I ended up having to use Google translate anyway.
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>>9587870
you are welcome! i found refreshing the page helped

they also have some ouji in their shop updates and their Sapporo snaps, latter of which has more regular looking people.

gonna dump a few of the more interesting ones
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>>9587874
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>>9587846
This looks like something a mexican bus driver would have as a shift knob... if it had the right size.
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>>9587875
i have missed a couple months of updates
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>>9587858
>age 150 years
>loves Indian curry
someone's copying Mana.
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>>9587884
not sure if nouji or gloriouji (glorious? ok no that does not work)

>>9587886
with a better hat though
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>>9587894
>Today's fashion theme ●
>"You are not looking at your feet right?"
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in one of the historic threads someone asked for this ouji's handle but at the time i did not have it on hand. if you are around, check @nicolasderascole on Instagram for more Rococouji
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butler-kei because cute uniforms are only for lolita i guess
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>hot as fuck
>no prob, ouji is not as warm as lolita
>blouse pit stains for days

welp
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Could anyone give me a list of item types/quantities you would consider to be "the essential ouji pieces?" I'm trying to branch into the style from a normal goth background and would like to start with a sort of capsule wardrobe if possible.
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>>9587896
How does this look so equally awful and glorious? Or is it just me?
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>>9596105
Just dropping the gloves would turn this from an uuhhh to a yessss
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>>9595905
long and short pants
nice shoes
simple blouse
fitted vest/waistcoat
snazzy socks & neckwear (can have variety with just a collection of these + above basics)
decent hat
fresh face
full hair

the latter 2 are where a lot of otherwise ok Western oujis fail. if your hat completely hides your hair, the coord is unbalanced. grow it out or wig it up gulls
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>>9597005
also that pic is not really ouji, i saved it for a Manly Jfash thread but it is a good example of a cool coord made less jfashy by the lack of good hair. pic related is super basic but the hair is not eaten by the hat and looks great.
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>>9597008
and here is a page where a capsule type wardrobe is used to make 3 coords

KERA is good for capsule type ideas, they often have done spreads of making the most out of your wardrobe items
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>>9597020
pic related wrings a few coords out of the same main pieces. for short pants, patterned socks can make a big difference.

also see >>9460988 for using base items in increasingly formal coords
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>>9597027
Nayrt but I just want to say thank you for providing info like this. Idk if there is more than one of you but I always appreciate when someone is willing to procure images like that.
Related sort of: can I get some short haired ouji inspo? I mean, of lolitas can do it so can we. I have a feeling it's related to the kind of headwear they go for.
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>>9597384
you are welcome anon, it's a fun use of time!

here are a couple recent short hair coords, with or without headwear, wig or natural. i like this style and do not see it often
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>>9600668
this one has a hint of the still-trending undercut, but is longer on top
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>>9600672
and another shot
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>>9600676
another undercut with a fluffier top
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>>9600679
left is obviously a wig, right looks natural, both are styled and full on top
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>>9600683
last one, it is small but shows both natural short hair and wig hair, and notice that the ouji in the crown with the close-cropped hair has a distinctly un-jfash feel.
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>>9579428
yo the Japanese mom who dresses her kid in ouji has an Instagram: @xxmiyugexx
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new thread >>9601536
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I will never understand victorian-era-esqe clothing in 2017
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>>9602652
It's fucking fun.




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