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>>9627551
Looks like a nice OP for dressing up with accessories. Source?
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>>9627560
Could it be the brand that's written in the filename?
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>>9627551
What a bore.
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>>9627551
I love this. It's so basic and could be dressed up so easily. I fucking hate prints.

>>9627701
By itself, maybe but you must have no creativity if you don't see the possibilities with this simple dress.
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>>9627716
Go rub one out with your accessories already
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Umineko collab based of a dress i thought was copied from Brand anyway? Girls on Lolita Updates are calling the red on pink ita but I think it's a bit cute.
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>>9627730
It's so ugly. I heard souffle song is in the top 5 of taobao lolita brands, if true then that's pretty sad.
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>>9627730
This one?
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>>9627736
>>9627730
It's not like they could do anything better with it.
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>>9627744
The fact that they picked Erika again is whats most annoying. Although chances are any other character collab would've probably looked just as bad. Shannon would have been the safest option.
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>>9627751
Why not Maria though?
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>>9627756
Maria would work too, I just like the other designs a bit more. Kanon could easily be done into ouji too.
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General question, might make a thread but I'll see how many responses I get for this first: how many coordinates can you make with one dress? For example, I'm just starting out and one of the basis for my wardrobe were dresses I could wear all year round (though I'd never wear velvet in the dead of summer desu). For your most worn main piece, how many coords do you have? Feel free to post pictures
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>>9627751
They're doing Beatrice too
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Still waiting for a possible Bernkastel dress...

>>9627730
The dress may not be the best looking but I love Erika too much not to buy it
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>>9627772
this makes me sad...
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>>9627764
How long is a piece of string? It entirely depends on what sort of dress it is (jsks tend to lend themselves to more variety over ops) style, and how many things like blouses, and accessories you have that go with it. There can be a large amount of variety that you can get with one dress.
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>>9627772
It's not supposed to be the dress in the middle right? It's so fucked up it looks like another design.
>Also blackXred because my edge
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>>9627772
It's so bad. This aatp dress could be easily styled in a Beatrice fandom coord.
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>>9627810
lol you didn't answer their question correctly.

>>9627764
I have 2 or 3 for most, but I have an old non print angelic pretty dress that I've worn like 5 different ways. It's also the first dress I ever bought so I guess I built half of my wardrobe on it.
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>>9627764
I only buy skirts and mostly non-print because they're super versatile. I can easily style a skirt in five completely different ways.
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>>9627764
I have an solid pink baby skirt that I could coord a million different ways, but only because I have enough different tops and accessories and the like to do it. I think it would be harder to do for printed pieces and jsks, where you have to worry more about color matching and whether the necklines work.
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>>9627719
Underrated post.
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>>9627732
SouffleSong definitely isn't in the top 5 of anything. Their quality is meh at best, on par with Bodyline.
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How does one clean a dry clean only dress? I've never dry cleaned sth ever before, because all the other brand I own can be put into the washing machine, yet my Halloween Treats OP has to be a speciul snowflake. Can I dry clean at home? Or do I have to bring it to a salon? Has someone here ever dry cleaned before?
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I just stumbled across this analysis on the lifecycle of subcultures. Thoughts on how this relates to lolita?
>meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
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>>9627858
you take it to the dry cleaners you big goober
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Any idea when the other colourways for the Fairy of Snow JSK are coming out?? Or just how long other colourways take in general. I'm actually considering paying full price for a brand main piece for once in my life
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Sort of a meta post but, what's with all the shit threads popping up recently and where is the janitor?
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>>9627909
>Summer is eternal in hearts of shitposters
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>>9627909
I'm so frustrated by these posts that are clearly inflammatory and singling out individuals which are one of the few rules this board has.
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>>9627732
Do you remember if they meant top five in terms sales, popularity etc maybe? Souffle Song is like >>9627855 said, cheap quality + low prices. I've never bought from them, but I'd recommend Souffle Song to someone new to lolita. They have some cute pieces, and I'm tired of seeing the same Bodyline prints in people's wardrobes.
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>>9627982
Why would you recommend them to a newbie if their quality is meh? One of the most difficult things as a newbie is buying good clothes. Coording is actually not as difficult as lolitas make it out to be.
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>>9627990
I don't understand that either. Secondhand brand is so cheap these days and you'd have to use a shopping service either way. So why not start with quality.
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>>9628045
I have a few pieces from Soufflesong and I think the quality is fine for the price. They have an international store site, so you dont need a shopping service. If they fit a new lolita's budget and that's what they want to get, I would say go for it. Just because some secondhand brand is cheap doesnt mean the secondhand brand you like is cheap...
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>>9627858
>Has someone here ever dry cleaned before?
The fact that you're asking this makes me think you're not old enough to use 4chan
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>>9628051
Okay but we were talking about what you would recommend to a newbie..
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I feel stupid, gulls. I feel like I can't build a proper, cohesive wardrobe to save my life, and as a result, everything I wear is underwhelming. I'm so bad at buying accessories and figuring out what matches or what's going to be ita. I thought I had a decent grasp on it a few years ago but I don't know know what looks good anymore.
I've been doing this shit for nine years, why can't I pull together ONE really nice coord? What do you look to for inspiration?
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>>9628059
Favorite coord threads, instagram, cgl archives
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>>9628059
Honestly, if you're struggling that much, spend a few hours browsing coords and save all the ones that stand out to you as what you want to wear. Put them in one place like Pinterest and really look at repeating colors and accessory types. Copy the coords, item for item if you have to. It's shitty but it'll definitely help with your coordinating and wardrobe building skills.
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>>9628069
>>9628071
thanks anons. I know it all sounds silly, and I'm probably being hard on myself, but this helps. I'm not ita-tier by any means, just boring and lacking imagination. I'm definitely going to take the pinterest plunge. Would it be weird or pathetic to have a physical pinboard for printed stuff to move around? Not in a paper doll way but just of different coords and themes.
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>>9628059
Sort of been feeling this lately. it's like my clothes are wearing me, not the other way around. I look like a trussed up chicken but other people look so elegant.
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>>9627732
Soufflesong is just the worst.
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>>9627764
My most worn dress is a plain solid brown jsk that goes with most of my blouses/cardigans/jackets. That makes 30-ish different outfits (beyond that point I'm to bored to count). In reality I use it for casual wear most of the time and pretty much never wear it in a full lolita coord.
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>>9628074
Not at all. It's just how you like to visualize coords. I think it might even help you make a break through C:
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>>9628059
Im bad at accessorizing and buying blouses, so everything I wear is really same-y because I primarily wear black and ivory. I'm trying to be more creative with layering and stuff but I dunno if it's working.
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>>9627772
TERRIBLE
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>>9628052
Believe it or not but I'm past 20, but even though I got a decently payed job I can't afford an own appartment yet because rent here would eat up my whole salary.
Anyway, I googled dry cleaning before, because I haven't even heard of it before, because as I said, all my stuff can just go right into the washing machine.
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>>9628059
Are you me anon?
I feel like a mediocre lolita all the time. I even tried to buy Angelic Pretty stuff to see if I can stand out a little, but still ended up coordinating with muted colors so it looked drab anyways. It's hard to get out of my comfort zone.
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>>9628059
>>9628078
>>9628137
I think the thing that separates those 'perfect' coords from the more mediocre (but still acceptable) ones is often styling, as well as detail orientation and accessories, but that is slightly less important imo. I've noticed how some girls put so much attention towards their outfits but their hair and/or makeup reads as an afterthought. It's very important to have your entire presentation suit the theme of the coord, it can make things go from ita to cute very quickly. That doesn't mean black lipstick for gothic, very few people can pull this off and application needs to be impeccable, but work out a good, natural looking base makeup that works for you then add little touches that would suit the sub style you're wearing. I understand it's quite a process to figure out how to do makeup that suits one's face shape, skin tone, features, etc, and lolitas are also often inexperienced with typical fashion and beauty trends, but honestly what is popular at the moment doesn't work with lolita anyway so you sortof need to draw inspiration from a number of sources then apply what works for you, personally. I'd suggest the kawaii pateen youtube channel, they have a good variety of makeup styles, for an asian face shape ofc but I'm mostly recommending them for the way they show individuality and cohesion between the styles of clothing and makeup.
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>>9627772
This hurts me. The red material is so awful looking.
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Does anyone know if momoirokumasan still does her lolita SS? I sent her an email last week but haven't heard anything back
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>>9628408
A lot of it is also photographs/presentation. I've seen so many girls who photograph beautifully but carry themselves awkwardly, are actually quite large/oddly proportioned but know how to pose, or have poor posture in real life, so they look underwhelming in person. Conversely, I've seen lots of beautiful coords worn by beautiful people who aren't photogenic or don't know how to pose and end up looking sloppy, fat, or underwhelming in pictures. I've been wearing lolita for ten years but only rarely share photos because I have no photo game.
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>>9628563
100% this- if you get the right photo, background and angle, you can go from mediocre to great
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>>9628563
This desu. My floordinates get a lot more attention, because I just can't get nice pictures of myself.
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Found this Baby jsk on mercari but they don't mention the name of it, anybody recognize it?
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>>9628684
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-crown-embroidered-sailor-school-jsk-burberry
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>>9628689
Thank you!
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What do you gulls think about really plain, basic lolita? Like, really toned down and almost a bit boring
I've been trying to get into lolita for a while, and I have several dresses (only taobao brands and bodyline though), blouses, shoes etc, but I'm not brave enough to wear it outside, because I feel like it's so flashy
Don't get me wrong, I know that's half the point with lolita, and I do love that aspect, but again, I don't really have the balls for it
I preordered this jsk a few weeks ago along with the blouse in the picture, and I'm probably gonna style it with some sheer tights with flowers or something and a a simple headbow
I know it's really simple, but I feel like I would feel the most comfortable in something like that...
Not sure why I'm posting this really, just kinda wanted to get some input and hear some opinions I guess
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>>9628808
Dunno how to break this to you gently, but dress will never be 'plain and basic'. It's got a lot of detail on it, so honestly it doesn't need a shit ton of accessories to be a pretty dressy lolita coord, unless you're doing OTT. Basic coords are a thing but you need basic dresses to achieve it.
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>>9628808
That dress is covered in frills and lace, it's nowhere near boring. Don't fall for the OTT trends, your dresses don't need to be printed or worn with three underskirts and a veil to look good.
>I know it's really simple but
Why do you sound so apologetic? Your main "concern" should be spending your money on quality pieces that look good, wearing them well and looking and feeling beautiful in them. Don't seek validation from others, especially not here, you'll never please everyone. Make your new dress work for you and wear it proudly, that's really all that should matter.
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>>9628808
What if instead of buying taobao and bodyline you saved up to buy one simple, durable Rosa Bianca dress
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>>9628808
Just wear what you like. I readily admit I'm a basic bitch in lolita but that's what makes me happy.
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>>9628808
Sauce on dress?
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>>9627764
My wardrobe is planned for matching as much as possible, 20+ coords per main piece is possible but I'm lazy
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>>9628059
I found it really helpful to stick to a small amount of colors and just do coords with 1-3 colors for awhile. I felt like I knew everything after like 2-3 years of lolita but I decided to be humble and go back to basic tutorials and simple coords and it helped a lot. Maybe even start by wearing a full set and slowly go from there with replacing the tights etc to get a feel for the basics.

You might want to sell some of your wardrobe, I ended up selling all the stuff which wasn't one of like 4 colors to make things easier.

At least you know you have the problem, there's no shame in that. What's shameful is being like wondercunt and saying you know your coords are perfect because you've been in lolita 74 years.
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How many of you have pets? Do you take extra precautions and care of your dresses?
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I think it's actually kinda cute. Not cute enough for me to buy though because it's the polyester chiffon.
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>>9629178
I'm just glad theres a skirt for once, maybe they'll start making more again. The print is pretty cute too
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Is there any way to politely tell a lolita seamstress in your community that the stuff she makes...isn't very good? I'm not talking about some 16 year old n00b, this is a girl who has (I think) taken some fashion classes and participated in anime convention fashion shows. She's also going to sell her stuff at a major upcoming lolita event (although itas buy all sorts of tacky crap. I'm sure there's a market for the stuff she makes). She makes cosplays which are decent. Her lolita stuff... I guess she has technical abilities? but her designs and fabric choices are kind of ita. I'm not a seamstress myself but as the saying goes, you don't need to be a chef to know if your food tastes bad. Is there a way to suggest politely that she try and improve her work?
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>>9628808
I hate to tell you this, but there is nothing simple about that jsk or blouse. Accessories don't automatically make something dressy. It's really the detailing (or print) of/on the dress and blouse, your main pieces. Also would you mind sharing a link for that blouse?
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>>9629178
>polyester chiffon
Aw, really? That's disappointing.
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>>9629222
Does she buy her fabrics at joanns? Does she price her things at taobao or brand prices? If the former, maybe suggest she stick to nonprint fabric in colors she's marketing towards. Maybe making overdresses, aprons, underskirts, skirts, blouses, lace shawls instead of the main piece as they will likely sell better than trying to compete with taobao and brand.
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>>9629222
I'm dealing with a similar situation in my local comm (I wonder if we're talking about the same person?)
Unfortunately I don't have too much advice other than trying to point out specific, small details of a piece that is bad, as opposed to saying an entire piece is bad. For example, I often tell this girl that the lace that she chooses isn't suitable for lolita. Unfortunately she tends to just make excuses and not take any of my (or anyone's) advice, but perhaps if we keep trying, she will learn.

Without giving too much detail or naming names, would you mind saying which lolita event they are participating in? That would tell me if we're thinking of the same person or not!
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I got so excited about this... and then I saw that they don't say anything about what kind of pockets it has inside or how many, and no pictures of the inside either.

Just because it's large doesn't mean it's completely practical.
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>>9629106
Lmao my cat loves my wardrobe. Every time I open the door she runs across the house and tries to dart in. Fortunately she is more interested in sitting in the shoe rack than rubbing up to my dresses
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How to tell orbiting weeb that they can't just keep saying they're making their first dress but it won't be done in time for the next meet?
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>>9628330
anon where are you from? this sounds really bizarre to me
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>>9629323
not the anon you replied to, but it's like this where I live. If you work minimum wage here you might as well be living on the street.

I make quite a bit so it's not an issue for me... I still think it's pretty bullshit though. I tried to get the minimum wage higher but of course it didn't work.
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>>9629334
no I mean the never hearing of dry cleaning part lol. even in my tiny hickass hometown people get stuff dry cleaned so I'm having a hard time understanding not knowing what it is
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>>9629178
oh that is cute, finally not some 2D flat print bullshit. gives me british bear vibes which is one of my top dream dresses. the cuts are all really cute and the waist on the jsk isn't *too* high, possibly bringing it out of sack territory. skirt cut and waistband detail is adorbale!
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>>9629178
Why does the bottom lace look so sad and ungathered? This looks like something out of a "how to spot a replica" guide. I'm hoping it's just the stock pictures, because everything else is really cute, especially the skirt!
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>>9629106
dog and cat. i avoid both when im dressed up and theyre not allowed in my room at all. lint roller is your friend
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>>9629178
>tartan
>cute cuts
>SKIRT
omg yes please take my money
>polyester chiffon
okay, nevermind
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>>9629263
its very likely the same inside as a loris heart bag, if you have experience with that. one large pocket and a flat pocket on both of the insides. i want it.
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>>9628808

>Only buys super frilly dress with ten thousand bells on
>"oh no it's too fancy I can't wear this outside"
>Pretending less "fancy" dresses don't exist.


(a) You have discovered the reason tea parties exist. Congrats. If you can find a comm and regular tea parties to attend, problem solved, that's where you wear the fancy dresses to.

(b) Plenty of brands make dresses that can pass for normie wear. Japanese brands are Innocent World and Rosa Bianca (like another anon commented). Taobao brands are Miss Point and Surface Spell (the other one, not the one that makes long evil queen dresses). If you stalk IW sales the plain dresses sometimes go as low as 70% off, which is pretty close to taobao pricing but the fabric quality is so much better.

If your heart insists on a frilly dress, try looking for secondhand AP _cutsew_ ops. Their cutsew dresses are always much simpler than their regular releases, but with enough frills and details that you'd still feel like a fairy princess. Taobao doesn't seem to offer anything similar.

>>9628959
>>9629234

Both dress and blouse are from Infanta.
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>>9629178
Hm, I'm on the fence about this one. On one hand, I like it, but on the other hand this looks like British Bear 2.0 with the tartan and JSK cut
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>>9628818
>>9628821
>>9629234
Haha, yeah I guess you're right
I was just comparing to other dresses I see, and other coords and such. For me this felt a bit more subtle at least

I feel like a lot of people get criticized for lacking accessories, having boring leg wear etc, so that was kinda why I felt like it might be boring

>>9628959
Like the other anon said, both the blouse and the dress is from infanta

>>9628823
Because I personally don't really like buying dresses that expensive. Wearing taobao and bodyline is perfectly fine for me.

I know a lot of people look down on lolitas who don't own any brand, but until I find a brand piece that I really want, and feel like I want to spend that kind of money on, I'm not in a hurry to get brand just for the sake of it being brand

The dress being durable doesn't really matter either since I probably wont wear it that often anyways
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>>9629178
I love the skirt
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>>9629222
No, it has nothing to do with you
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>>9629469
Honestly I don't think I've gotten any flak for simple coords, though only post it on my instagram since I can't justify clogging up cof with my everyday coords. It's pretty obvious that for some people, simple is a stylistic choice. For example queran_ruffles is well-known for her daily/casual looks. And there are a lot of lolitas that pull off a look that's understated with minimal accessories. Itsvanillabear and Robotic_girl are good examples of classic lolitas that still wear many coords that are "true" lolita (as in, not necessarily casual) but don't pile stuff on.
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>>9629178
I love the tartan stripes, but I'm not a fan of toy prints. I might have to make an exception!
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>>9629353
The only thing Ive ever dry cleaned were a few lolita dresses, but i knew what it was before that because I check clothes before I buy them so I don't accidentally get dry clean only. Maybe they're not in the US?
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>>9629469
Secondhand brand with no print can be much cheaper than infanta. As for seeing lolitas who dress basic, I also recommend fannyrosie, misakoaoki, kimju_y, yumi_fujiwara_iw, lerisch, vicrorian_jane, maijuline, nimu_vmpress, artdunoir, fukaiumino_ao and whatcaitlindid on instagram.
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What are some other proxy bidding services like fromjapan? I can't log in into fromjapam anymore for whatever reason and I just discovered a dream dress on yahoo auction with only 3 hrs left. Pls help.
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>>9629469

You'd still get criticized for lacking accessories or having boring legwear with that OTT frilly dress you picked out.

The issue was never that "lolita is supposed to have interesting legwear and accessories", it's the mismatch in styles. You need to put together your coords with an image or feeling in mind that you want to get across, and pick each piece thoughtfully to match that. For instance, if you're trying to convey an image of a magical princess going to a brand tea party, then you'd start with an OTT frilly dress, and it needs to be matched with equally interesting accessories. If you're dressed as the maiden who went out to get milk and doesn't wear bracelets, you need to start with a plain dress and add other things that are plain, but still cute and still match the coord. "Simple" isn't the same as "lazy" or "thoughtless".

If you start out with the frilly dress as if you're dressing like a magical princess, but then switch out dressing like a maid when it comes to accessorizing, it just looks plain confused. Or like you were trying to be a princess but ran out of money halfway. That's what's behind criticism like "not interesting enough", not that lolita needs to be flashy.
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>>9629514
buyee?
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>>9629516
I get what you're saying but I hate coords where everything is demanding attention and you don't know where to look, for example printed tights with a printed dress and patterned cardigan imo is just too much and looks really busy.
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>>9629519
Thank you kind anon, that was exactly what I was looking for!
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>>9629522

It just says "matched with equally interesting accessories", it doesn't say "every single piece added needs to be printed and OTT".
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>>9629469
>Because I personally don't really like buying dresses that expensive.
What is secondhand brand? Are you someone who supports fast fashion? Because that's all I'm gathering from this. If you learn to buy quality pieces, you'll look much more put together (as long as you can match well like anon is explaining).
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>>9628808
I just don't think lolita is for you.
you may like some aspects of the fashion but, to be honest, it sounds like you're just being really cheap, on top of scared of attention.

>Why would you preorder such a detailed set if you don't like to dress too fancy?
>How can there not be /any/ brand pieces you like yet?
>Do you even own/wear petticoats?

I'd caution against buying any more pieces. just enjoy the ones you have and, if you want, focus on making complete coords with those or just try to incorporate them in your normie outfits.
It's not worth your time or money to build a wardrobe if you identify as such a casual. I'm not even sure if you'd prefer otome, since it's still pretty eye-catching.
Don't know what else to tell ya.
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>>9629441
I'm not paying 85 usd for "most likely"
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>>9629473
Sounds like this hits close to home for you.

There's a seamstress in my comm who I know goes here cause I've seen her self post and she's definitely the type that would be super offended if someone told her how her work really looks.
Everyone just kisses her ass instead.

I'm not saying you're her but you could be and that makes me laugh.
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>>9629663
poorfag
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>>9629675
No? I buy brand all the time but that's cause I know what I'm getting. If it turned out this bag had no pockets inside I'd be stuck with another useless bag.

I'm just pissed that practical bags in lolita are unheard of.
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>>9629679
putumayo and meta make real rad bags
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>>9629684
Which meta bag are you talking about? The ones I've seen look small.
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>>9629353
I'm from Germany and I have never heard of someone dry cleaning something they own. I also never owned or saw a single piece of clothes that needs to be dry cleaned. So that's why I ask stupid questions. I already thought that dry cleaning must be pretty normal in the US that 's why I thought people here could help me
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>>9629353
I don't think dry cleaning is common outside the US. I was only somewhat familiar with it from American movies, it was only like last year that we started having those in my country

funny how you're the one who sounds underage, burger-chan
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>>9629697
I'm just curious now. How do you guys clean things like wool coats, cashmere anything, suits, or evening gowns?

I'd argue that a huge majority of clothing labeled dry-clean only can be hand washed (including most of lolita), but the above mentioned types of articles are either very difficult to hand wash or will actually be destroyed in a machine. So if you guys don't have drycleaners, how do you handle it?
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>>9629716
>cashmere
wtf would you dry clean cashmere? gently hand wash it and dry it like a normal sweater
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>>9629716
I think 'normal' people don't own this stuff. But eg I got a wool coat which is machine washable as all of my lolita dresses are. I think that in Europe and especially Germany things need to be practical, no one ain't got the time to go to a cleaning salon. In fact in my area there's only one of these salons close by and I'm not sure if I can trust them my brand desu they don't even speak my language so how should I explain to them that it has to be dry cleaned
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>>9629263
lovely lor had one in her recent fanexpo video. you could comment and ask
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I wish liking cute things wasn't frowned upon by normies in the west.
I get poked fun at just by having a hello kitty keychain and wearing pink because i'm 30. I just want to like cute things and wear sweet lolita without being laughed at for "not being a real adult woman" (because obviously being adult means being boring and only liking boring and mainstream normie "grown up" shit). I already got told i wasn't a "real woman" by some guys and even girls due to my small breasts and i'm not very tall/don't look horribly aged like most girls. But whenever guys i meet find out i like cute things even though i say "i'm not into ageplay" they run away because it's weird and they only like "real women".
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>>9629726
>normal people don't own suits
??????
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>>9629726
>machine washing wool
ANON NO. jesus h christ, hand wash that unless you want a coat for ants.
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>>9629735
Hopefully the culture will change. I see more kawaii stuff in stores.

Some women also probably jelly that you're cuter than them.
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>>9629740
I hope so! You're actually right.

Sometimes I wonder if they do. it's alright if they wanna be sexy but yeesh, leave me be.
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>>9629736
You wash suits at home.

>>9629737
It's not 100% wool and the tag advices to washmachine wash it.
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>>9629735
it kind of sounds like you want to be younger than you are and you take pride in the idea of "looking younger/cuter" than women your age

when the truth is, if you don't make things weird and you act like a functioning human being people won't give you shit for liking cute things. it's a possibility that this is more of a you issue than an everybody else issue. especially because you explicitly talk about ageplay. if somebody else doesn't bring it up, don't bring it up
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>>9628808
What brand is that
>>9628823
That's not nearly as cute though
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Protip: Don't post photos of your boyfriend on your instagram. He looks like shit, and now so do you.
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>>9629725
Won't it shrink terribly if you put it in the dryer?
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>>9629756
I have noticed this horrendous trend of lolitas having the ugliest, fattest, neckbeardiest boyfriends evne when they themselves look perfectly decent. It makes me sad.
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>>9629759
honestly though most lolitas (and most people in general) are ugly, even if they dress well. even people who look decent in lolita generally aren't supermodel tier so they're not going to attract conventionally hot people.
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>>9629756
What does this have to do with lolita?

>>9629753
Not >>9629735, but maybe you just don't have rude people in your life or your area, but I have the same issues as that other anon with people assuming there's something wrong with me because I don't look womanly. It's just the trend right now to look 25 when you're 18. I doubt anyone is making things "weird" but it is difficult to find girly or "cute" things at fast fashion stores when most places are appealing to different things (showing more skin, tight-fitting clothes, heavier makeup, whatever).
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>>9629763
i think it's weird that you describe yourself as not looking womanly when you're a grown woman is all. you probably get negative reactions because people can tell that you're forcing an image.
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>>9629735
I agree, as a 30 something woman who likes cute shit and just wants to be cute because life is too fucking short. But to be fair, you're expected to "grow out of" cutesy shit in Japan too, around the same age as in the west and settle into a maternally role and sense of style... so just like what you like and ignore the haters.
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>>9629665
I can't sew, I just don't like how gulls feel entitled to critic every single person. Unless you bought something from her I don't see how it's your place to complain.
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>>9629763
I think you're right that there are those of us who don't have rude people in our lives. I'm in my 30s with random cute shit everywhere (on my bags, clothes, office, home, car, etc.) and I've never gotten shit from anyone for it. Sorry you and >>9629735 have to deal with that kind of bullshit.
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>>9629764
Maybe it's an insecurity, then? I don't think I look womanly because I have small boobs and I'm more beanpole-y than curvy. I don't think I'm forcing an image but rather trying to play up what looks best on me. If I wore what's trendy, I'd look stupid.

Also, like I said, I'm not that anon that posted. I don't show my ~powerlevel~ by having Hello Kitty keychains everywhere but I do feel a bit awkward sometimes.

>inb4 you're too old to be insecure
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>>9629716
I'm from the Netherlands and though I know what dry cleaning is before I started with lolita, I've never seen one or heard of someone going there. I have a wool setting, handwash setting and delicate setting on my washing machine.
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>>9629737
>What is the cold water cycle

You can also handwash cheap cashmere, it holds up better that way
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>>9629778
She's selling her stuff. Do you not rate a business based on their products? Why would a business that wanted to be successful turn away from criticism?
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>>9629762
You don't have to be supermodel tier to attract someone who looks decent and unembarrassing. Of course not everyone is stunningly attractive, but I'm just surprised at how commonly there is a huge difference in attractiveness between a given lolita and her boyfriend. This goes for more alt fashion actually. Do alt fashion wearing girls just have low standards?
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>>9629804
This is strange to me. Obviously looks aren't everything but having absolutely no standards especially as someone who values aesthetic to some degree (i.e. lolita fashion) is bizarre.
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>>9629804
Maybe they see beyond looks and actually care about what kind of person they are dating, because they have experience with people misjudging them based on how they look.
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>>9629758
Dryers are more of an US thing, too. Practically everyone I know over here in Yurop just has a washing machine and air-dries everything. There are a bunch of dry cleaners in my area but their main source of business is alterations. People only dry clean special occasion clothing like wedding dresses.
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>>9629797
>>9629785
The average American doesn't realize the rest of the world doesn't really use dryers. Hence the how do you wash wool/cashmere without it shrinking. No agitation and no heat = no shrinking. Water doesn't make it shrink.

Not to mention dryers destroy your clothing and are a terrible waste of energy. I only use it for towels and sheets because the sheer size and volume.
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>>9629804
why are you ambling to create and confirm some overarching, catch-all tendency? you never know what attracts people to each other. lolitas only have a few things in common: interest in lolita, wanting to look well put-together, and an exposure to some Japanese culture.
I am a lolita, but my personal preference in guys (which has little to do with my fashion interests) is:
bear-like men who are compassionate and open to/involved in any category of dorkdom.

>just admit you are thirsty for perfect-looking jfash couples to schlick to, anon :^)
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>>9629866
are you confusing dry cleaners with dryers?
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>>9629804
Honestly, the average boyfriend will be seen by any salty/jealous gull as "embarrassing" if he's not a male model. Your idea that people should only love each other based on looks is pretty dumb.
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>>9629730
I found the bag by seeing her post on tumblr. I work for a tech company that paid a youtuber to lie about our product so I don't really trust the site anymore for things like that.
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>>9629726
>>9629785

The fuck? I live in Poland and there's 3 dry cleaning shops within 15 minutes of where I live, you'd see one in most shopping centres too. Do you guys actually not have those?
I have no idea what I would do with my coats/blazers/jackets etc if they didn't exist.
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>>9629804
Why do you care so much? You're not the one that has to date them.
Especially when it comes to lolitas, a lot of them have nerdier hobbies/personalities so it makes sense they'd go for guys who have the same interests, and nerdy guys aren't exactly known for their looks.
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>>9629899
I just looked up the nearest dry cleaner and it's at the airport, probably because of the hundreds of people in nice uniforms. In my town we just have one staffed launderette.
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Has anyone bought from Fril.jp recently? I just saw a dream dress I want from there.
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>>9629915
Yes
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Is it just me or is this a really blatant JetJ rip off?
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>>9629716
That's how I wash my cashmere items (sorry for bad English):
>mix cold water with wool detergent
>add the piece of clothing to the water
>let it soak for 5 minutes
>gently massage the item in the water with your hands for a minute or so
>remove all water and gently rinse in fresh water until no more detergent is left
>take the item out of the water
>to avoid streching or shrinking don't wring out the water with your hands
>lay it between to towels and roll them up to soak up the excess water
>remove from towels and lay it flat to dry (and preferably not near a heating source, cashmere doesn't like hot temperatures and already dries quickly at room temperature)

>>9629726
Fellow German anon here. I know your pain. I do have 3 dry cleaning places in my city but they are all run by creepy arabs that keep hitting on me / asking me weird questions in their broken German and I feel uncomfortable going there. It made me reconsider my wardrobe, now I only buy solid dresses that I can wash at home.
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Is it way too early to sell coats and jackets on lacemarket? Mine are taking up a lot of space and I want them gone.
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>>9629931
No, other than moon phases, they're pretty different.
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>>9629931
I mean she rips off eveyone else so why not?
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>>9629938
If she was copying this dress surely it would look better
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>>9629933
What about velvet though? I heard that was one of the fabrics that you can't touch with water (even handwashing gently), or it's never the same again.
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>>9629935
I don't think so. If I needed a new coat I'd want to buy it before the cold season starts since shipping may take long depending on location. If you want to play safe, wait until October, that's when most people panic and start to think about winter.
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>>9629931
We have our own thread. >>9629811
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>>9629941
Velvet is one of the few things you cannot wash at home, water fucks it up. You can try a soft brush to remove any lose dirt particles. But dry cleaning is the only option to really keep it clean.
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>>9629953
isn't dry cleaning with steam though?
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>>9627861
I think this relates waaaaaay more to cosplay.
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>>9629876
No, I'm not. They were responding to anons questioning how to wash wool and cashmere without taking it the dry cleaners (because you can't throw it in the washer and dryer, implying that's how it's done).
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>>9629959
No, they use a chemical solution to clean.
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>>9629973
But we do use dryers in Germany
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>>9629804
I had a "chad" boyfriend who absolutely hated lolita and wanted me to wear skimpy clothes to show me off to his friends.
I ditched him and now am dating a nerdy boy that I can share my interests with and treats me like a queen.
Conventionally attractive boys are not worth it, really.
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>>9630021
Other countries don't. An American friend was confused when visiting Japan that we only had access to a washer at our Airbnb. He thought we'd have no way to dry our clothes.
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>>9629804
I had a "chad" boyfriend who absolutely hated lolita and wanted me to wear skimpy clothes to show me off to his friends.
I ditched him and now am dating a nerdy boy that I can share my interests with and treats me like a queen.
Conventionally attractive boys are not worth it, really.
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>>9629804
could be a LTR? women age way better than guys. i went to a women's college in the deep south where a lot of the girls were with the same guy through college and got married. the girls mostly stayed attractive while the men got fat/male patterned baldness/etc.
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Anybody hear about carnival yet? I asked tenshi about it right when she got back and she said she hasnt heared from AP about the orders. Im getting impatient. Ive been waiting for this dress for the last 10 years guys!
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>>9630139
omg is that osea_chelleo? she was my absolute favorite. i still miss her.
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>>9629263
You could ask on their page. They always reply customers.
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>>9629937
This.

Why are people complaining? Some of us want to have more than one kind of moon dress.

One person did moon phases so now no one else can do moon phases? The fuck out of here.
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>>9630178
Are you retarded? It's so obviously a half ass rip off down to the poorly ms paint tier cropping of the moo s on the print. If she was going to rip off the design so badly she should of made the print a little cleaner. Then maybe i would consider buying it if it was at lest a well done copy cat
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>>9630195
I was initially happy, even though it is similar to the JetJ, because it's a motif I'd like to see more of in lolita. Also it's more gothic leaning than the JetJ which is more classic. I especially liked the sleeves on the OP but now that I see how close they look to I Do Declare's blouse, it just seems very unoriginal overall.
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>>9630195
Perhaps I'm projecting. But I never ask if someone is retarded unless I'm at least slightly annoyed.

If I'm not mistaken, it's a different dress cut entirely. It literally only shares a motif.
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>>9627861
>muggles
I stopped reading right there
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>>9629931
Wtf, why do the moon phases look horrendous.

>how to shoop 101
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>>9630248
Has the dress even been released yet?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Haenuli put out a dress once that had completely different promo pics than what people actually received?

And then one girl wrote to them and actually got the dress in the picture?

What if these are just shit mock ups and the print doesn't look that bad in person?
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>>9630260
It's a lot easier to replace lace then it is to reprint fabric. With brand prices, i wouldnt want to risk that much money if thats what the print is advertised as. Id much rather spend it on a dress whis preview print isnt questionable and has a better track record
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>>9630239
I think anon means they are ripping off the print. Not the dress design. The print is the only part that can have a copyright anyway.
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>>9630260

That's a whole lot of what-ifs. What if the dress has already been finalised and you get exactly what's in the promo pics?

Bringing up the girl that got a different dress is also not a good move. That one girl who wrote in is the only girl who got an actually nice-looking dress out of that release, the replacement lace that went out to everyone else was a pretty meh-tier. All this does is bring up how the brand is somewhat unreliable, you could actually receive something even worse than what's on the promo pics.
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>>9630296
Really? To me it sounds like they have good customer service when their customer deserves it and actually has the brains to write in about it. She did a good job.

I was really just looking at the positive side of this since everyone else was looking at the negatives.

Moon phases are fucking everywhere. I can't believe people are screaming theft over this shit.
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My boyfriend told me that hip hop is a pretty big deal in Japan and was surprised that there is no hip hop themed lolita?

Is there? Did I miss something?
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>>9629804
All the really handsome men I've ever personally known have been lazy, narcissistic moochers. I'd rather date an awkward nerd who's prepared to put in as much time an effort into the relationship as I am. Hygiene is important, of course.
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does anyone have a link to that youtube music video of the hispanic lolita who wears all btssb then goes drinking/partying and ends up getting in a fight?
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>>9630338
wtf? is he confusing hip hop with ganguro or something?
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>>9630333
>it sounds like they have good customer service when their customer deserves it and actually has the brains to write in about it

I was glad to hear they did that for the one girl, but I strongly got the impression it was because she had an online following (and I remember they didn't even want to at first?). I doubt they would have done that for a nobody.
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>>9630296
>>9630333
That girl who wrote in to get the dress she'd actually paid for had to fight tooth and nail for it. That's shitty business practices on Haenuli's part. She depends on people being non confrontational and just accepting whatever they received, regardless of whether it's what they actually bought or not.

>they have good customer service when their customer deserves it and actually has the brains to write in about it
The customer shouldn't be EXPECTED to write in about getting a different product than what they paid for. That's not the customer's responsibility. Are you implying that the only customers who deserve to get what they paid for are the people who do Haenuli's job for her when it comes to quality control? And don't forget that this girl had a blog and could have left a detailed negative review that might have spread like wildfire. I'm sure that if it had been some platformless nobody, she'd just been brushed off.
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>>9627861
Reddit labeling machine

Completely unaware of the passing of time, the evolution of society. This guy thinks that the value of something comes from how many autists follow the trend
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>>9630333

It's one thing when you're trying to stand up for some rando that gulls are shitting on for vendetta or funsies, but this is a $200-300 dress you're actively encouraging other anons to buy, just so you can "look at the positive side". Do you really think you're doing anybody any kind of good spinning these kinds of stories just so you can feel like you did a good deed? The gulls who buy the dress and are still disappointed are simply going to come back and start complaining even more about how much Haenuli sucks later on, so even the brand that you're trying to help still loses out in the end.

Just stick to posting photos of dresses with moon phases on them. Let people hate the print if they want, that's what promo pics are for, so people can decide if they actually like the dress.

The story of the girl with the lace dress, Haenuli ended up sending her the model dress because she was out of right lace. This means if you're the second or third or fourth or however-many-dresses-they-sold-th buyer to write in, you'd never get a replacement dress because they don't have that lace anymore. That's why I said it's a terrible story, they delivered a product that doesn't look as good as the promo pics, you have to write in to get the dress you actually ordered, and in the end they're all out of fabric and can only replace the dress for that one e-famous girl and not you. Doesn't sound like an experience I'd want to pay $200-300 for.
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>>9630347
Apparently nujabes is a big deal?

Anyway. I mean like themes on a dress. Not like, sexy clothing that would emulate what gets worn in a video that has video hoes in it.
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>>9630380
I'm not trying to help the brand. I work in customer service and when someone is actually being a worthwhile customer, I think they deserve special treatment because most customers are fucking assholes who don't deserve the things they think they are entitled to. I've seen people cry over $3. That's fucking pathetic. This is a luxury hobby. You are CHOOSING to buy things that you don't have to buy. It's only your own fault if you are unhappy with your choice.

What you're telling me is Haenuli went out of their way for this girl. First come first serve is a thing, you know.

Not everyone gets what they want.

Whatever. Haenuli a thieving whore.

But yeah, moon phases are just that. A motif.

>>9630353
>That's not the customer's responsibility.
For some companies it is. I've had a lot of customer service jobs and if someone didn't come complain, I assumed they were happy with their purchase. Going home to cry on an image board about how you didn't get what you paid for is pretty dumb because you're not going to get anything out of it and you're not gonna get an improved product.
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>>9629516
That is a very good advice.
Not the same anon, but thanks.

I also feel sometimes my clothes wear me, rather than the opposite, and I just collect pieces I like, and can't match them well because I have not started to make those mental images!
I use dress up apps with photos of my dresses and I noticed I just match things because they match well, but don't have any special feeling or general theme. Time to fix that.
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>>9630346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqPczNfNQec
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>>9630265
>>9630296
Actually it's normal to take stock photos and do shoots with the samples, which often have imperfections
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>>9630382
Japanese lolitas (incl sweet) tend to listen to rock, goth and metal
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>>9629665
I'm completely paranoid this is me-- what has she made?
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>>9629801
I don't rate businesses I haven't bought from, no
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>>9630243
I know it's off putting but the article is fantastic and really relevant to Lolita
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>>9630452
Did you write it or something? It's really dumb and self centered, the writer doesn't even know what subculture means.
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>>9629804

It depends on what you want in life.
From my experience hot guys tend to be super narcisstic especially when they gew up as the only spoiled child of white middle class parents.

Just one of many examples: My sister married a hot guy. He doesn't want her to have kids because it would ruin her looks and her looks are most important to him. Status is super important to him that he has to maintain in front of his group of friends. He also isn't much of a family person, and avoids any social gatherings that don't involve anything "fun". In many aspects he is more of a man children than your average nerdy guy will ever be.
Now that guy is reaching his fourties and he is starting tu put on weight on his belly, his attractiveness will last maybe another 5 years until his personality finally begins to shine through.

Of course there can be good hot guys out there, but women who are attracted to that type of man rarely filter them thouroughly for their personal traits before it's already too late. Another sad turth is that we are all going to age, so looks are not going to be important at all in the long run.
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>>9630452

It isn't. This guy is writing about some tiny ass fandom centred in US subculture.

Meanwhile, AP and Btssb are about 40-50 years old. That's decades longer than most fandom subcultures. The main driving force is international, not American-centric. We've even survived multiple sociopaths -- talia speaks, the doll fetish girl, Frances, brolita Jenny. We've also tried changing the name of the fashion a couple of times but Lolita just keeps on keeping on.

Nothing about lolita even remotely resembles that article. Guy can stay in the US and out of my hobby, and you can keep him to yourself, thanks.
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Does anyone know where to find Kera scans from 2015 and 2016?
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>browsing lolita fashion tag on IG
>oh look, porn
We should have changed the name ages ago.
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>>9630563
I've noticed more people using rorita again, maybe it's just my comm though
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>>9630564
I'm probably going to start only using brand tags and Japanese tags. The latter will still have weebs but I'd rather deal with weebs than be scrolling for frills and suddenly my screen is full of uncensored dick. I reported a few but there were so many. Yech.
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>>9630563
Why dont you use the the eglcommunity tag instead?
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>>9630443
Are you also a cosplayer?
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>took 1.5 yr hiatus from lolita due to crippling self-esteem issues and shit job
>getting interested again bc of all the Halloween talk
>really want Halloween lolita coord since I'm hosting a party
>all my dresses are sweet pastel lolita and I can't get them to work w/ goth
>lacemarket has nothing I care for under gothic tag
>don't think Haenuli moon print will get here in time for Halloween ... (?)
>look at her storeenvy and the skelly print is cool but my bust would definitely need a bigger size than her L

Should I make a WTB or should I just consider myself a godmotherless Cinderella at this point?
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>>9630683
You could do something Candy Land inspired
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>>9630688
I guess. Though none of my prints remotely evoke candy and I want the party to be spoopy.
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>>9630683
Try the Japanese second hand market then. There's still plenty of time until Halloween, if you buy know, it will arrive in time for sure.
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are /cgl/ lolitas primarily classic or sweet?

I was under the impression sweet was the most popular substyle, but looking at the data from previous secret santas most people described themselves as classic lolitas.
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Someone posted a link to a Japanese auction site in a previous thread. Not yahoo or mbok. What other Japanese auction sites are there for second hand lolita brands?
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>>9630708
Primarily they're fake
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>>9630683
You could do a sweet/creepy look with makeup and styling, something like kyary pamyu pamyu? Like a candy monster or something? And if you have any lavender or purple sweet dresses those go well with black for a pastel goth type thing.
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>>9629686
I have a great Meta bag which fits my pretty sizable laptop, and has a ton of convenient side pockets.
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>>9630708
>tfw gothic will forever be the most unpopular
I weep
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New Misako x merrymerli video, it's pretty cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQVkPWBLaE&feature=share
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Anyone have any links/recommendations for cute/romantic style lingerie?

I realize this might not be the right place to ask, but I am not finding exactly what I have in mind, google powers are weak.
I don't really want to shop a department store either. I figure maybe someone might have some good recs.
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>>9630708

Not everyone joins the secret santa, I think. I know I won't be, I'm travelling the month before Christmas so that seems like a terrible idea.

Another thing is that a lot of lolitas seem to do more than one substyle, but it's easier to find higher quality stuff that matches classic lolita substyle, like fake antique picture frames or "antique metal" jewellery. So gulls might tick the classic lolita box because they don't want to run the risk of getting Hello Kitty stickers or cheap-looking plastic kiddy jewellery.
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>>9630735
While I agree, I think is pretty cute. Song is kind of catchy.

I just, really hate Misako's make-up look.
But I guess know we know she drools glitter...
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>>9630745
The other girls have weird make-up too
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Share happy lolita stories, gulls
>super into lolita back in 2010
>poor teen and unsupportive parents
>vicariously lives through lolita vloggers,bloggers,..
>tfw finally have money to buy all of the things i wanted from back then
>tfw can find most of them for dirt cheap due to how unpopular they are nowadays for the most part
I don't even care my country's comm is dead and that all my lolita inspo left, I got cheap brand.
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>>9630748
seconding. she's still pretty but it doesn't suit her especially the blue lipstick. It's something that few people suit actually.
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>>9630749
I don't mind the drummers look.
But the blue lips are not great on any of those girls.
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>>9630708
I only wear gothic lolita, no classic or sweet.
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>>9630708
Classic has been on the rise for a few years now. I'd say they're at least equal.

>>9630739
This is true, too. Whenever I mentioned liking old school sweet on my gift swap/secret santa list I'd almost exclusively get stickers, candy and plastic toy "jewellery" meant for very small children. When I leave sweet off the list I get stuff I can actually incorporate into my coords instead of giving it to my five year old niece. I know those gulls and comm members meant well, but really? Some of that stuff was clearly made for toddlers.
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>>9630751
>work my ass of as a teen to buy lolita clothes
>have a huge wardrobe
>tons of amazing lolita friends
>don't finish college because of job opportunity at the company I started at when I was 13
>company goes bankrupt
>sell entire wardrobe to buy food and pay rent
>feel depressed around friends because they're all lolitas
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>>9630767
Oh. Oh no anon. I'm so sorry for you.
There's still time and hope for you! Don't give up.
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>>9630736
I know the Japanese brand intesucre if you can fit their sizes. I found a few similar ones, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Does it look like what you're looking for? I can try and look them up again.
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>>9630761
That's the opposite of the experience I had when I participated, but I was in a high price bracket. I loved everything I received though and it all fit the sweet in jewel tones check box.
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>>9630735
She looks even more soulless than usual in this..
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Does zenmarket buy from fril and mercari?
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>>9630798
No.
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>>9630800
Thanks. I know it got asked before but I couldn't find it in the archives. Now I can only think of one shopping service that does buy from Fril and Mercari but she charges 14%...
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>>9630804
Japonica do too.
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>>9629959
no bb
>http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-hints-tips/cleaning-
organizing/how-does-dry-cleaning-work.htm

>>9630093
Not having a dryer was inconvenient in Tokyo I'm not gonna pretend like it wasn't, I hate hang drying clothes

>>9630101
nice generic blanket statement mentality you got there

>>9630767
I am so sorry to hear that!
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>>9630811
>Not having a dryer was inconvenient in Tokyo I'm not gonna pretend like it wasn't, I hate hang drying clothes
See, when I go to Japan I try to dress up more so all the clothes I bring, I'd have to line dry anyway. Sure it's kind of inconvenient, but my clothes would be destroyed otherwise. Japanese women tend to wear camisoles under their clothes so they can avoid as much laundry.
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I missed the reservation bc I was living under a rock and heard nothing about this, does anyone know when the regular release date is?
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>>9630816
I did not know that!
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>>9630382
I'm a lolita and one of my fav hip-hop groups is M-flo. rhymester is also a pretty good rap trio.
Nujabes is a big deal RIP, he died when I was in high school...which was like 10 years ago. Your bf has gotta discover more artists!
Hip Hop has a solid but kind of small following of people in Japan (compared to hipstery, cutesy stuff, and operatic rock stuff). The thing I appreciate is that a lot of artists make it clear that they are true hip-hop heads in the way that they reference classic tracks and good U.S. artists in their songs.

Luckily, genres like hip hop and electronica have small/cult-like followings in Japan, which helps quality control the music that gets produced.

All this being said, I can't imagine a brand putting out anything but classical and metal inspired pieces.
>Meta graffiti print when?
>Baby record-spinning kumya-chan print when?
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>>9630828
you're onto something big here
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Okay so we all know about size 2 MmM, I've seen people own size 3, in the earliest years they used the standard Japanese size 9, there's size Man, but have there ever been a size 1 or different men's sizes?
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>>9630828
Well they do make lolita coords inspired by ''pop style'' and decora, anything could happen
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>>9630638
Not in many years, no. So does that rule me out? thank god. Like I feel like I'm pretty alright, but I wonder a lot if I'm actually terrible and no one wants to tell me.
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>>9630854
Yup. Definitely not her. I'm sure you're good anon.
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>>9630777
Oh cute! I actually have a small bust, so that might be good.
Thanks anon!

If you happen to remember the other ones, I will take a look.
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Holy shit, is this set really worth 500$?
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What do you think is a good thing to do for your customers to promote a lolita brand? Giveaways seem like the obvious thing, but it mostly seems to attract the type of people who would never pay full price anyway.
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>>9631014
Maybe a giveaway that one person who buys something full price gets an option to choose an accessory for free? Assuming that's what you sell.
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>>9630748
I didn't even recognize her with the blue lips until almost halfway through the song. It really changed the shape of her lips and face.
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Anyone know where this was originally from?
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>>9630735
The drummer is really cute.
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>>9631085
Atelier Boz, it's a piece they rerelease every few years. goes by a few names on Lolibrary - Eliphas, Dean, and Zeno Dean, and I think it was just rereleased earlier this year or late last year. I'd recommend newer releases over older ones as the older ones have shinier fabrics.
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>>9631085
Atelier Boz
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Whatever happened to Baroque Petrock? When I first got into lolita, I feel like her pieces were fairly sought after and enjoyed. I haven't even heard of her in years.
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>>9630720
Something like this maybe?
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>>9630828
This. It seems that nowadays, Nujabes and J Dilla (RIP) are bigger in the U.S. and outside of Japan in general. Every time I'm on youtube, it seems like there's a new instrumental hiphop soundcloud (also rip, jesus) artist popping up and being played in those chillout/homework youtube mixes.

Japan and I guess most of East Asia seem to have a growing cult following with underground genres more and more recently, stuff like math rock and shoegaze. I don't think they'll ever surface the mainstream since they didn't do so strongly at its origin points, and the music industry is very bent on making money off of what works like poppy idol groups.

I digress.
Graffiti print would be so cute, but probably hell to coordinate. I'd love to see a Takashi Murakami or BAPE collab (though idk if Kanye would want his likeness on a frilly skirt).

I think I mentioned this here a while ago, but I've always thought it'd be cute to see a(n early 2000s) hip hop fashion inspired coord with Meta's denim skirt, Timberland knee high boots, and a cropped Baby Phat jacket.

>>9630410
I see this among Western lolitas too. Seems common in my encounters for sweet lolitas, especially, to be into either cutesy weeaby idol music, metal, or both.
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>>9631157
Well, part of the reason I asked is because I told my boyfriend I wanted to make a graffiti print dress. I was gonna go the route of having it on buildings - keeping with the usual loltia theme of architecture. I was thinking distressed looking buildings with graffiti on them.

I'm shit at drawing but I'm trying.
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>>9630748
LMFAO

I'm so sorry Misako. I love you, but, I can't even.
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>>9630390
thank you! i think my friend will have a good laugh at this
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>>9631159
I suggest studying real graffiti.
If you can find it, I recommend Broken Windows Graffiti NYC. If not, I'm sure you can find similar ones at Barnes and Noble's art and photography section. Looking at other big hip hop brands and fashion icons might help too.
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>>9631163
>I suggest studying real graffiti.
I do. I live in a fairly big city and there's tons of graffiti everywhere, I love taking pictures of it and I follow loads of others who do the same on instagram.

I saw some cool stuff when I went to Seattle last year too. They have a lot more stickers than paint.

I'd love to go to NYC someday. I'm sure I will after I go to Japan and Korea first.

I also listen to various stuff like MF Doom and Tribe to look for references to use in the graffiti. My boyfriend always gives me new stuff to listen to - he knows a lot of artists, I'm the one who needs to learn more.
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>>9631159
Commission an actual graffiti artist if you want to create this print, which I wholeheartedly support. Your references and influences seem great and give me hope you could pull this off better than that other, ita print that looks like they just pulled whatever "cool graffiti font" they found online and put it on a skirt, pic related. Some drippy paint designs could be cool to incorporate as well.
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>>9630735
Ah yes i actually liked their previous song better. At least the song plus the video was really cool. The newer one had a cute song and look but the makeup was more kawaii space princess then lolita imo
Link to the last one--->
https://youtu.be/lZGa83psp84
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>>9631197
Ok but why havent i seen anyone mention Hollow Mellow/Iruma Rioka? One of their newest songs features Misako.
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>>9631203
Like Iruma is litterally Misako's gothic lolita fairy godmother.
https://youtu.be/gjss2n1cUoQ
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>>9630818

Today. It just went up, lol.
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>>9631014

I've come across some makeup stores that give store credit if you write a review of what you receive, and then submit the link back to the shop. Maybe that could get word of your product out to the rest of the world without looking too much like a hard sell.

The other is akin to what Wunderwelt do, if you post photos to their app they'll feature random lolitas on their blog. You could simply tell girls to tag your brandname on insta, tummblr, or facebook, and you'll reblog/repost them.
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>>9631196
wow yeah.. that is.. not what I'm into at all.
That's a great idea tho!
Also, I have no idea what cut of dress to use for this.. I feel like I should lean more gothic.
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>>9631205
I'm in love with this woman
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>>9631203
she was great at AN!
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Could anyone with a metamorphose bag comment on the quality? I've heard that burando pleather products are not very durable, but I'm desperate for a cute college bag/backpack because the one I got from taobao broke.
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>>9631273

I mean.... you're comparing to taobao, yanno? Brand pleather is fine. A lot of it holds up better than the cheap stuff from taobao. Though, pleather being pleather, do be aware it has its limits, it's likely to crack and peel over time, the process can be slowed down if you wipe one of those conditioner things (look in car maintenance shops for it) into it every few months or so and keep it in a nice cool place.

Now, compared to my Prada and real leather bags, brand pleather is pretty meh.
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>>9631278
omg wow you've got prada congrats did you write that entire reply purely to drop that fact or what
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>>9631289

get a life
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>>9631289
Jealousy isn't cute, anon.
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>>9631289
Someone's jelly
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>>9631273
i have a crown label pleather bag and it's more durable than normie pleather bags. it feels really thick and nice.
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>>9631296
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>>9631292
Samefagging isn't cute, anon.
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>>9631307
Unlucky
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Just read an H manga about femboys and how they like to dress up ultra-feminine to feel like girls and get horny.

So that is what normies and sissies think Lolita is.
Weird both my mom and her conservative friends think Lolita is about that, even if you already are a girl.
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>>9628408
>Kawaii Pateen
I love this channel, it is good for lifestyle, hair, lolita, j-fash tips, but the makeup application is usually horrendous, they should be ashamed of their makeup tutorials.
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>>9631315
Normies gotta get their minds out of the gutter and their noses out of other people's business.
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>>9630854
You seem to be capable of introspection and self crit, so you probably have nothing to worry about. Nayrt but I've seen so many 'seamstresses' in my comm who get a big head because people who've never been in the same room with a sewing machine compliment their work, and consider themselves above any and all criticism or advice. Then they get it into their heads to start selling their stuff, find out that nobody wants to pay brand prices for it, and flounce, calling the entire community elitist brandwhores in the process. I love sewing and talking about sewing with other lolitas but the majority of lolitas who sew have no idea what they're doing and see any kind of advice as a personal attack. Not too long ago I was quietly trying to figure out why the scallops on a girl's handmade JSK looked so lumpy, and it turned out she didn't clip her 1" seam allowance. When I told her it was super easy to fix and improve the overall look of her scallops, she and her friends acted like I was bullying her. FFS, I was just trying to help her un-lump her hemline, but if she prefers to stew in her puckered hems and unpressed seams that's her choice, I guess.

Trying to dissuade them from using non-lolita fabrics is even harder, because for many of them looking "unique" is more important than looking good. At least one girl I know is stuck with several dresses made out of orange novelty tablecloth with neon green skulls because even the friends who gushed over her work aren't actually prepared to spend burando prices to look like shit, Halloween or not.
>mfw
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Anyone has relatives/friends that talk to you as if you're completely stupid?
Let me explain myself:
My father and mother dislike lolita. I've been into the fashion since 7 years now yet they act like i'm retarded by telling me "don't wear any of that lolita stuff to your work" or when i'm about to go out they look at me with big eyes and go "don't go to the family party like that on sunday ok?",...
I'm 22, I know when it is and isn't appropriate to wear lolita, and it pisses me off so much that they feel the need to tell me that every single time. Can't wait to have my own place so I don't have to wait they're gone to be able to wear my stuff without anyone bothering me.
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>>9631339
theyre just embarrassed because you stand out. simply dont wear lolita if you go out with your family.
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>>9631339
>you are 22

there are some parents that think you are still 6 and can+t remember to brush your teeth.

Just give them time. Do audlt stuff, study hard, get a job, move out.
Maybe, and just maybe, they will start treating you as an adult.

And keep Lolita away from them. If they can't understand you are an adult, it will take a lot to understand Lolita can be a serious fashion.

> it pisses me off so much...

this. avoid this. If you over-react to a comment, that is a sign you are not an adult and can't handle criticism.

Remember your parents love you, and they bother you because nobody else will do it. (except normies that think everything is a fetish)
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>>9631196
Beat and Hip Hop has roots in jazz.
Maybe instead of graffitti, try to find inspiration in Jazz.
Classic Lolita, Jazzy, modern, more like a Beat from Nujabes or Tomppabeats.
Find inspiration in nature
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>>9631333
1" seam allowances? Whyyyyy? I would love sewing specific concrit on my stuff, but I'm one of two seamstresses in my comm-- and I think it's hard to see details like that on the internet. I'm definitely, like probably to a fault even, trying to imitate brand, not be a weird "avant garde" special snowflake seamstress. I feel like there's more ita seamstress with horrible design taste than not, and it's depressing.

Also, what is it with lolita seamstresses and NOT PRESSING THEIR SEAMS? Jesus. I press religiously as I go.
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>>9631273
I have a different bag from meta which I use for school. Only the handle is withering a little, but the bag itself is still in good condition and also really strong. (It was already secondhand and I have it for one year now.) The white only gets a bit dirty, which I haven't been able to clean off. But it doesn't have damages. I think you can perfectly use them for school.
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>>9630977
No, Lacemarket is only filled with people who think they can still ask these ridiculous prices for
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>>9631315
I have a weird fantasy of being in lolita and some girl in a choker coming up to me and saying "are you an ageplayer?" and I get to ask "are you into BDSM?"

It's probably never going to happen, but it's the only comeback I really want to use.
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>>9631339
Yes, my parents and grandparents are exactly like that.

The year I turned 20 they began to annoy me with constant nitpicking about my behaviour and the way I dressed as everything I did did not seem "adult" enough to them. With 22 as I graduated from uni it completely got out of hand.
They kept telling me I should cut my waist long hair short, because long hair is something for school girls, and employers wouldn't hire me because of that. That I should stop wearing dresses (not just my lolita, even normie dresses), again because of employers not taking me seriously. That I should eat more, because I'm very skinny and young looking and that's not good for women wanting to be taken seriously at the job interview. In their mind I could only become successful in life if I adapted the traits of the tough business woman in every single aspect in my personal life as well. They couldn't comprehend, that a feminine appearance and frilly dresses may be something that I enjoy in my personal free time, but that I'm also capable of separating my personal interests from my professional persona, that I can take care of myself and evaluate situations properly for myself. Only because I enjoy something slighly strange in my free time does not mean that I act as a clown everywhere else.

The best way to deal with that is to ignore their comments and to move away, preferably to another city, so your parents can finally see that you are indeed able to take care of yourself and to be an "adult". But also to compromise, and if your parents really don't like Lolita, just don't dress like that around your family and keep it a private thing. Problem solved.
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>>9631273
Brand pleather is shit, but Meta is better than most. My baby and AP stuff didn't hold up nearly as well as the Meta; they're the only ones I'll confidently buy fake leather stuff from; shoes, bags, anything.
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>>9630977
if it's NWT, maybe. but I think 400 is more appropriate
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>>9631360
I don't know! I was going to ask her but she was already crying bully so I decided against it.
I don't know if lolita seamstresses with terrible taste are really in the majority or not, but they definitely stand out more. Someone who's a decent seamstress and has good taste/takes inspiration from brand is more likely to fly under the radar because people will just assume that she bought what she's wearing. Novelty quilting monstrosities, on the other hand, are clearly handmade because no company in their right mind would produce anything like it.
Pressing seams is so easy makes such a big difference! I don't understand why anyone wouldn't.
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>>9631348
anon said she listens to Tribe. that's a good best of both worlds thing.

>>9631174
I'd suggest a greyscale that's colorized for any additional colorways.
If you wanted to ink some b&w photos of tags in the Bronx, or even used your own photos instead of drawing I think it'd look really elegant.
>no better location to inspire you than the literal birthplace of the art

Also, keep in mind that hip-hop is a family of forms:
>rapping
>tagging/graffiti
>cutting/DJ-ing
>breaking
>and knowledge (history; referencing the art that came before yours)

I think if you really focus on one or two good-looking ideas, and don't go overboard trying to make "Hip Hop: the Skirt," this could end up amazing.

When you've got some print drafts, make a thread!! See if you can collab with a reputable indie brand to get good main pieces drafted up, and made.
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>>9631315
lolita isn't sexual for me in the slightest.
what it does make me feel is revered, adored, and respected. No one tries to belittle me or objectify me when I'm dressed up. I feel safer, y'know?
sometimes I wish I was real royalty. this fashion makes me look and also feel nice.

>it does kind of suck that you have to look special and valuable for people to not be outward assholes though...
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>>9631339
When I was in college, I was about to interview for an internship. My teacher kept harping on how I have to dress really serious for it, and dress really seriously every day there. I was like okay, they pay right over minimum wage. It's not worth it if I have to wear a pants suit every day? I'd have to buy some. Nope, she just didn't want me showing up in a petticoat like a dumbest. It was like no jeans, no t shirts dress code.
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>>9631278
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>>9631393

Thank you all for the responses! I've got my eye on a cute secondhand meta bag and I think it'll be worth a shot.
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>>9631360
I hate ironing that's why, but I do press seams if it's a commission
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>>9631411
If you were royalty you'd likely have many, many more people brutally criticizing your fashion choices, unless you wore very toned down classic and even then you wouldn't please everyone and still get criticized.
I do understand and relate to what you mean though. It's bizarre to me that people look at any style of lolita (maybe except ero) and think it's sexual in any way, I just fail to understand the logic behind it.
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>>9631344
I never wear it with them outside because I know they don't like it and i try to avoid being around them in lolita in general.

>>9631347
They know i'm an adult and treat me as such in general but sometimes they remind me the silliest things. Which I find kinda cute sometimes, but the lolita thing just makes me roll my eyes. That and "don't talk about your japanese hobbies or in japanese!!!" as if i was going to sperg out to some strangers about chinese cartoons and scream in japanese. I was a weeb once but that was 8 years ago. I'm aspie but damn, I can control myself mom.
I know they do and I love them even if they're not supportive of my interests, they did many things for me ,and i'm grateful, but god.

>>9631392
Geez Louise, I'm sorry anon, they sound horribly annoying, and terribly wrong about what it is to be an adult.
I mean,hell, I know dudes that are engineers and shit at 27+ and they play with Legos,Pokemons,...Being adult doesn't mean being boring and abandonning anything deemed "not mature enough", that's such bullshit.
I think it's indeed the best thing, it won't happen before a while but I shall tolerate it in the meantime, the same way they tolerate my hobbies (i'm lucky they "tolerate" it at all, they were strictly against it in the first place and i know friends whose parents hate cosplay/lolita/... and used to forbid them from doing/wearing it)
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>>9629679
Look for bags from non-lolita brand. Mine is huge, i can fit my fat 5 year old cat inside without a problem.
>>9630816
Interesting!
>>9631339
I can relate. I'm about your age and this happens to me but i just ignore the fuck out of them. If they want to laugh at me which they do when they think i'm not paying attention so be it. Let them act retarded anon, never get as low as them.
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>>9631430
but they'd rarely do it to my face. I don't mind two-faced bitter people behind closed doors, I just don't appreciate when people are downright destructive with their words and actions.
you never know what another person is going through so why be a rude asshat?
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>>9631404
>referencing the art that came before yours
Definitely. Any time I practice, I look for bars that stood out in an old song to reference.

I really like your idea for greyscale too! I don't think I'll go overboard. I want the print idea I had to come to life which would really just be buildings with graffiti on them - and no sweet colors ways for this one at least. Just want to get the print down which I'm still working on and then find a cut that properly compliments it.

There are other parts to hip hop I know, but like, we could have a vinyl dress eventually too. And jazz definitely could be a thing because I know people love classic and that would be more fitting with that. There's a whole unexplored genre here, however that doesn't mean it'd take off.

I don't care as long as I get my graffiti dress.
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>>9628085
I like their stuff in general, but I feel they're not good with anything that's supposed to be extravagant. And desu to me it seems like their designs have been getting worse lately.

>>9629697
fellow German here and while I haven't taken any Lolita piece to the dry cleaner yet, I have had other stuff dry cleaned before and from my experience it's a very common thing? My company even has a dry cleaning service for employees... it's just that I know mostly men who frequently use dry cleaning for their shirts and suits.
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>>9631626
that's the thing, you use it for nice suits and uniforms, wedding dresses and stuff. that's not a very common thing everyone does all the time.
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>>9631310
>implying screencaps prove anything
sure anon, run along now and don't samefag next time
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>>9631368
someone's salty
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>>9631453
Being a rude asshat is usually what the media is all about, and you'd get plenty of that if you were a public figure wearing frilly dresses. It only gets worse the more exposure you get.
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>>9629699
Most things that say dry clean only can still be washed. If it can't be washed, steam it.

Sometimes, even if it can be washed, steaming is still vastly easier on the garment, I steam not just my frills but also all of my blazers, coats, wool items, and curtains.

If it can't be steamed, that's when you're out of home cleaning options and you take it to the dry cleaners.
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>>9629876
There's bound to be some people like that because of the way they were raised. My germ-phobic, cunty excuse for a mother's laundry style goes like this:

>everything goes in the "cook" cycle (water at 90 degrees celsius)

Result? The color of everything fades, elastic disintegrates, stuff is obviously destroyed, and even white ends up drab gray soon. But we're not done!

>everything goes in the dryer! Hanging washing up to dry is for peasants. So don't even think about buying wool. /blog post

Bitches be crazy, but this is what we have the internet for; google how to do laundry the right way, it's not hard.
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>>9631392
>wear pants
>cut your hair short
>get fat

Your parents want you to look like a stereotypical bulldyke, and they think that will help you find a job? That is delusional. Employers love slim feminine girls with nice hair, anon, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You'll have plenty of time to butch up when you're fifty.




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