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We haven't had one of these in a while but we're practically overrun with unpopular opinion threads so here goes

I didn't get a proper blouse until 7-8 or so years into being a lolita because I'd just do OPs, jsk+cardigan like pic related, or cutsew+skirt for casual. It's only been in the past 5 years or so that I've found blouses that I like enough to buy and coordinate with JSKs, but I still heavily internalize that "dress over shirt = bad" and think it looks dumb 75% of the time, especially if the blouse doesn't "blend" with the JSK to look like it's one piece instead of two.
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>>9935260
>it looks dumb 75% of the time, especially if the blouse doesn't "blend" with the JSK to look like it's one piece instead of two
If the blouse and JSK don't look like they belong together then it's probably just bad coordination. Not all blouses work with all JSKs, after all.

Sort of adding onto your confession: I've been into lolita for nearly a decade and I only recently got some good, proper petticoats. I did own and wear petticoats before that, but the ones I've used before were terrible and cheap. Oops.
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>>9935265
>If the blouse and JSK don't look like they belong together then it's probably just bad coordination. Not all blouses work with all JSKs, after all.

no it's more personal taste, like my lolita sensibilities tell me that pic related is a solid old school coord, but my personal taste is horrified by the look of "dress over top"

i can tell the difference between when a coord is "correct" or well-done but *i* just don't like it, and when a coord is outright poor
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>>9935265
>>9935272
same with this one, like i know objectively that the color balance and use of contrast is pretty welldone here but i still would never wear it because dress over shirt reeeeeeeeeeeee
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I have a blouse that fits me perfectly in the arms and waist, but which has big gaps between the buttons in the bust area when I wear it. I always wear it under JSKs, so it's not like it's noticeable, but it still makes me feel like one of those fat girls who wears a cardigan to cover up the fact that their JSK can't be zipped all the way up.
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I have so much jealously for girls with 300+ followers on Instagram. I can't imagine ever getting to 1000. I sometimes act like a vendetta chan about popular lolitas because I wish I were like them
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>>9935418
Seriously? 300 followers isn't a lot, neither is 1000 especially not on Instagram
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>>9935260
Then there are persons like me who own tons of blouses but only wearing the 5 boleros and cardigans I have with everything because it's just more comfortable.

>>9935418
I've been at around ~100 for months without any progress because I only posted like twice a month or so. Now I'm posting more often and with every post I'm gaining 2-3 new followers. The progress is slow... but I'm getting there.
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I have a shopping addiction. I'm pretty well off and can afford it and more, but I seriously need to stop buying lolita.
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>>9935260
>>9935272
>>9935278
i feel you anon, i wonder if we had the same childhood experiences of being made to cover up under a completely modest sundress
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>>9935433
relatable, I don't wear Lolita as often as I should and I rarely post photos online despite having a huge closet
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>>9935418
300 is very easy to get. I don't have great coords/photos, my account isn't very narrow in focus for aesthetic, and I don't utilize pods or frequent interaction with others and I still was able to hit 300 in a couple months of being active. Just use relevant hashtags and have friends.
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>>9935421
NAYRT but assuming they're talking about lolita instagrams, 1000 feels like a lot. Lolita is a very niche hobby after all.
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I was unnecessarily salty when i was younger in the fashion some years ago, and i took a step back a realized this and have been trying really hard to not be that way anymore. I like to think I’ve made progress and feel better in general being genuinely nicer and happier, but it makes me apprehensive to meet other lolitas because what if they only think of me at the one who was bitter all that time ago?
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>>9935460
nope, just saw so many people doing shit like pic related and despised it that by extension i hate all things that resemble it
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I'm seriously considering doing FinDom on twitter for extra lolita money. I'm a uni student and I'm ok with money for housing and food and other necessities but I can maybe buy a second hand dress every 3-4 months, just now that I'm able to wear the fashion. I would,of course,keep that separate and "secret" from my lolita life.
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I have half of someone's DD list in the Dream Dress Thread. The postal service in my country is so shit, I am afraid to contact them, because the chances of something going south on my end are so high. It happened before, and it took me months to sort it out with a lawyer.
I can't deal with this kind of stress again. Sorry anon. It's better to not get your hopes up than dissapoint you badly and make my health worse. If I ever move abroad and you didn't find them, I will send them to you for free. Minus shipping.
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>>9935562
It's oversaturated as fuck. Just learn rich people culture and proper seduction and get yourself a rich sponsor
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>>9935567
Why don't you mail them and explain your situation? Maybe they're fine with it and will pay despite the risk.
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>>9935575
samefag, but maybe they could use a forwarding service from your country.
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>>9935562
it's really hard anon and there are so many people trying to do it lol good luck
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>>9935562
Just get yourself a rich boyfriend. I did, and its pretty great. Helps hes a genuinely sweet and lovable guy too~ I believe in you anon
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>>9935567
Id take the risk if the price was right desu
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>>9935567
>>9935575
>>9935577
agree, if it were my DD i'd at least want to hear the options. who knows, they may have tons of $$ to pay for a safer option and be willing to do so? or a relative in that country? you never know til you ask
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>>9935603
how do you get a bf
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>>9935614
lower whatever standards you currently have

that's really it
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>>9935603
Dating someone for their money is gross and pretty much devaluating. Actually, the benefit of findom is that doesn't hit you back with ruined reputation and attitude.
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>>9935281
You should get blouses that don't have buttons or are fully shirred. It's important to feel comfortable in your clothes.
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>>9935619
how do you get a rich bf
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>>9935272
Bad taste desu
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>>9935418
>>9935429
Why would you want that? I think it's creepy af to have strangers look at my photos.
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>>9935631
I don't get the appeal of efame at all. I like the idea of having a small circle of people who all like and comment positive things on one another's photos, but dislike the idea of mass appeal/a large audience. it seems like there are two vocal camps of people: efame whores/wannabe efame whores and then the camp of people who keep their shit on private or think they're high and mighty for not posting online at all. I think there's a happy medium for sure
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>>9935603
All the reach dudes here here are awful. Also as >>9935623 said,I won't get a "gold digger" rep amongst my schoolmates,friends and family,since it's all online and pretty anonymous. I can just say I've been doing some freelance gigs on weekends about what I'm studying.
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>>9935433
Honestly same! Also I keep buying ops/jsks/accessories but I’m lacking in blouses and shoes. I see the prices for them and go “nope, with that money I can get a full set on egl!”
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>>9935668
I started buying tons of blouses when I realised I can wear them to work
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>>9935670
I work a low key job that prefers I dress like whatever so I can’t do that (it’s a great job as I spend 60% of my time there browsing lolita stuff). Any place to get good blouses though? The word of having a bigger bust/back (I’m 112cm bust but wear a B cup)
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>>9935673
I would look at Atelier Pierrot's webshop because they carry multiple brands and often have that style of cut that doesn't have visible shoulder seams
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>>9935631
>I think it's creepy af to have strangers look at my photos
Then don't share your pictures online.
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>>9935687
What makes you think I do
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>>9935682
Thanks for reminding me of that. I just realised it's cheaper to buy Moitie from them because they offer tax-free.
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>>9935673
what's your underbust? guessing you're either fat or a man, both of which can have different suggestions.
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>>9935265
Same. I've been too cheap and relied on thrifting vintage petticoats, which worked, but lolita specific petticoats are better.

Sometimes I feel less like a lolita because I've been involved in the fashion for that long, but have a much smaller wardrobe. I'm glad there are others in the same boat as I am. Styles and sizing changes, so I shouldn't be so hard on myself.
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>>9935695
Is it really that cheap to get vintage petticoats? My moitie petticoat was around 50 euro and I've been using it for 3 years.
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>>9935714
I bought mine new from the shop for 29000JPY and it was worth it desu
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>>9935654
I think e-fame is mostly for people with emotional issues.
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>>9935654
I feel this, I just want to make friends

t. lonelita
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I love Lolita clothes and Lolita brands, but I don't really love Lolita fashion. I know, that's retarded as hell.
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I frequently stalk the Dream dress thread, plus WTB posts on Facebook and such, just for buy them for cheap on Y!auctions and sell them at higher price on LM. That's just how I can afford a lot of my Brand.
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>>9935809
Don't worry, we all know how to buy off of Japanese auction sites as well. You're just selling to newbies.
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>>9935795
Same, fren. The scene and the rules have turned it from a subcultural street fashion to a whole bonanza of wtf
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>>9935795
honestly, same, at least when it comes to what i like to wear. full coords often look and feel like "too much" and i tend to prefer more toned-down wearable outfits like OP image, especially if natural hair is used. i own 50+ main pieces and it's extremely rare that i will wear what the current scope of the fashion will deem a "full coord." most of the time it's just a jsk, a cardi, and solid tights if i want to call it lolita, and i'll also wear skirts with croptops or bulky sweaters, cutsews with regular pleated skirts, or jsks as sundresses with sandals and maybe a light bolero. these outfits aren't lolita obviously but they're how my lolita pieces get the most exercise.
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>>9935795
>Man, I just don't really love lolita
I can relate. I like full coords on other people but I wear most of my main pieces to uni everyday. I'd feel overdressed and sorta retarded in a petticoat with elaborately styled wigs and matching accessories and bags and bonnets etc. It's cute but just not for me. I just love following the brands and wearing the pieces themselves as part of my regular girly/gothic style wardrobe.

>>9935842
>i'll also wear skirts with croptops or bulky sweaters, cutsews with regular pleated skirts, or jsks as sundresses with sandals and maybe a light bolero.
This sounds cute as fuck anon, I always like to find ways to wear my lolita pieces in more ways, instead of only wearing them within the specific fashion and in specific coords. I seriously need to invest in some boleros as well.
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>>9935809
hi rainies
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I die inside everytime I see an altered dress for sale. I don't care what the reason is - I just view it as ruining a dress.
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>>9935890
I've sold multiple dresses with undisclosed alterations. They were all pretty minor and professionally done so no one's the wiser.
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>>9935654
I don't post at all, but I want to. I agree with the sentiment, I don't get efame, but i love the idea of a few random people i could mutually follow and talk to a bit online. Lonelitas for life.
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>>9935902
What do you consider minor? The worst alterations are when people destroy the waist ties or take out the pockets.
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>>9935714
I live in an area where there are a lot of vintage shops/antique malls and flea market events. Gotta have something to do in rural towns besides church and making meth, I guess. That being said, I'm glad I invested in a Lolita specific petticoat. I just wish I did it back when classical puppets was good.
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A girl in my comm is a bitch to one of my friends for no reason, so now I want to hunt down all her dream dresses and flaunt them at her.
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>>9935918
I think you should do it, but only if you genuinely like the dresses (even if only a little bit)
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>>9935567
Anon, this is exactly why I don't buy from overseas and don't sell overseas. I'm so spoiled by nothing ever happening to packages in Japan that the stress of a package worth $3-400 lost, stolen, or damaged is something I never want to deal with.
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>>9935809
Enjoy sitting on heaps of "stock" in the future. Day of the scalper purge arrives soon.
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I have the misfortune of being acquainted with gemgem in real life, and today I saw her. she was going on and on about how she finally got the meta telephone print... asked her how she got it and she said someone from here sold it to her.

I.. i hope that's not true.
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>>9935910
The most extreme one was taking in the princess seams on a JSK. Almost all the alterations I make to my stuff are reversible if you have a seam ripper and a sewing machine.
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>>9935939
I despise Gemgem as much as the next person but what do you get out of making shit up like this? She's horrible enough on herself.
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>>9935272
>>9935278
I’m a similar way, but these are acceptable to me because there’s something interesting going on at the collar that isn’t just jsk straps.
My confession is I can’t bring myself to buy white blouses. I got one blouse in white by accident and I genuinely don’t like to look at it. I hate white. I also hate black. Everything in my closet is either cream or brown when I need a neutral color. I don’t know why I have such an aversion.

>>9935809
If you put the money you spend on risk purchases towards the dresses you actually want, you’d cut out the middle man and probably get your wardrobe faster.
You also would be less of a cunt.
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>>9935939
Also, ur a newfag. We already saw her streching the skirt out months ago on CoF when OG telephone anon missed out on it.
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>>9935946
I appreciate the fact you don't mess with existing stitches and use reversible practices. That's really the only acceptable way.
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>>9935603
I don't care about money at all, but how do you talk to boys without having a panic attack?
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>>9935977
imagine them naked
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>>9935809
I can barely sell things for what I paid for them minus shipping and SS fees, and I have a ton of very popular prints. Y!j isn't cheap anymore on average, you must be on there constantly to actually get good prices. Even Mercari is getting pretty comparable to the Western market
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>>9935860
I was big into gothic lolita in high school, but I had no money and spent many hours bent over the sewing machine and serger to make slightly embarrassing home made coords... some REALLY embarrassing. Skirts were sown to shirts and covered up with ribbon in a few cases...
Now that I actually have money I prefer to wear clothes styled after 1950's vintage... which I can ironically usually find for under $20 if I look hard enough.
Pic related is pretty similar to what I wear most of the time. Comfy, low effort, and usually entirely socially acceptable.
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>>9935569
Where do you learn rich people culture?
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I went to a meetup today with a handful of girls from my comm and 75% of the other attendees were spergs and autismos. Before the meetup I begged some of my closer lolita friends to go with me so I'd have somebody to talk to who wasn't a weirdo. I only went because the meetup was really close to my house, I am friends with the girl who hosted it, and because I knew there was going to be food there.
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>>9935978
*dies*
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>>9935842
>>9935860
Agreed. I'm probably the cgl definition of ita but in the context of overall look/general fashion I think it's passably stylish for casual fashion - like shit that you'd nitpick for in lolita such as navy x black, not matching colours perfectly and different themes doesn't actually matter that much if the overall look is okay.
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>>9935910
>take out the pockets

Seriously, pockets are heaven. Why would anyone remove them?
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>>9936032
The first part is why I am a lonelita.
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>>9936096
I saw a listing on LM and someone literally took out the pockets of a dress to use the fabric to make it bigger.
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>>9936077
>Navy x black
Honestly so much of my wardrobe is navy x black it's not even funny at this point.

Like you I'm probably cgl's textbook ita because I don't match every shade of every colour like a cartoon character, nor do I care about matching themes. Thing is that outside of lolita, literally no one cares if you wear solid tights or your shoes don't match your skirt etc. Even people who wear other alt fashions only care that you look coordinated overall. I feel like those guidelines were made for people who can't dress themselves (even outside of the fashion) to save their lives.

I also tend to prefer longer skirt lengths than the most popular knee length silhouettes, so it's not like my coords particularly read as attempted lolita anyway. More than often it's just a black dress with a few frills and the occasional border print.
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>>9935654
It's pretty easy to make friends with people on instagram without being efamous. I mean, most people aren't efamous, but I have a few people I talk to because we clicked when we messaged back and forth. If you see someone who you think you would vibe with, comment on their stuff. If they're a nice person and is looking to make friends, not just to use people for likes and follows, they'll probably comment back and follow you also (as long as you have relevant content). From there, comment on their stories and see if you can strike up a conversation, if you guys end up being able to talk easily, voila, you've made a friend!
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>>9936032
Haha I probably know which you are talking about. I don't really go to this comms meets anymore. I also like the organizer. I'm sorry that happened.
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>>9936103
I saw this too. I was really excited at the price but of course there is damage at that price. Honey cake set in Ivory. Too much damage imo
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>>9935977
Don't be a fag
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>>9936217
I don't even want Honey Cake and it still made me sad (I just like checking popular dresses every now and then). It's not even worth it's current bid price.
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Every time I put together an coordinate it looks great on the dress form and or floordinate but looks like trash and unfinished when I wear it. I don’t know why but when I wear it I feel immensely uncoordinated and usually back out of meets because I don’t think I can ruin my comms photos with my coord.
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>>9935902
I've disclosed every alteration I've made but the buyers have all been thrilled, and in some cases it's probably improved the value of the garment. Stuff like moving JSK straps to flatter wider shoulders, repositioning sewn-on bows to lie flatter or look more lively, inverting the way internal seams are sewn to make a dress lie flatter on the lining, and so on.

Alterations are great. Shitty alterations are what everyone fears.
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>>9936252
are you me? i've been coming to this realization lately about my coords and concluding that my problem is literally just that i'm ugly, and no coord in the world will make an ugly person look cute.
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>>9935272
The dress over blouse look is so out of style and awkward that it does look out of place in the modern world, and that's exactly why I like it so much.
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>>9936291
Not you anon, but this is comforting knowing I’m not the only one that feels like this. I don’t think I’m horribly ugly but I’m not cute either. I’m just girl next door that could walk the street without getting noticed. My problem is, I never feel like I’m worth even trying to look remotely nice and revert back to my hoodies and sweats. I cosplay, and enjoy them. But unless it’s a masked cosplay, I get very little notice because I’m just average looking. Masked cosplays I get all sorts of attention, and asked for promotional photo shoots. With my face I get “ oh nice cosplay. You did a very good job” and they walk away. I’m just average. Put a sticker on my coord shots and it looks good. Remove the sticker and it’s like immediately less interesting.
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>>9935842
>>9935860
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>>9936125
>full coords are too much
>cgl's textbook definition of ita
Look, if you don't like lolita that's perfectly fine and I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, but if this is based on your view that lolita = OTT and perfect at all times, and you think that cgl's opinion, the place full of anonymous posters whom you can't even be sure are lolitas at all, is the end all be all, I'm sorry but you're delusional.
It's entirely possible to wear super simple coords and still be perfectly lolita. I get recognized as wearing lolita quite often and my coords are very toned down so they can be comfortable and easy to wear daily. Sorry you fell for the OTT, everything-has-to-match-100%-or-you're-ita meme but it has nothing to do with lolita as a fashion style, this is a you problem.
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>>9935260

The only firsthand item I own is bodyline. Everything else is secondhand.
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>>9936355
this was the same for me until I bought some meta rashel lace bloomers a couple months ago... and I have been wearing lolita since 2006. 2nd hand is so cheap
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>>9936355
Majority of mine is from the shops. Only rarely do I buy secondhand and that’s only if I didn’t get the color way I wanted or an item that sold out before I could get it. Been wearing the fashion since 2004 doing this.
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>>9935910

Why would anyone remove pockets?!
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>>9935977
Just talk to them like human beings without focusing on their gender
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>>9935260

I have no idea the names of my secondhand brand dresses and I'm too afraid to ask
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>>9936364
I know right? Like a nice btssb dress for $50? Yes please! Then again, I don't have a DD so I've never felt the need to pay a lot.
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>>9936383
There's lolibrary and a group on Facebook that's usually very open and helpful to people!
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>>9936383
Use lolibrary? Or ask here, lots of anons are pretty good at dress identification.
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>>9936388
>>9936390

Had a look a library and found a couple of things. Thanks.
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>>9935992
Plebs and western resellers ruined Japanese secondhand brand sales.
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>>9935890
I alter my dresses to make them smaller and surprisingly people still buy them.
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>>9935670
This x100
I love to wear frilly blouses with pleated skirts or high waist trousers or shorts. I also enjoy wearing it with suspenders. It gives of some casual/office ouji vibe mixed with 80s romantic stuff and i love it. It's so cute, comfy and wearable at the same time.
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>>9936352
>OTT, everything-has-to-match-100%-or-you're-ita meme

i think most people are aware that's an online problem, not an irl problem. but a lot of the time, the look i prefer simply does not fall under the lolita umbrella, whether due to shape, simplicity, or something else.

that said, sometimes i can still call those casual outfits lolita--pic related is a formula I use pretty often: cute but normie hair, OP, sandals. this picture i would call lolita, but not every OP has this shape or versatility to be worn so simply. and that's fine! "not lolita" doesn't mean "ita," it just means "not lolita."
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>>9936352
I don't really get this vibe from those posts? It's just saying that they don't match the board definition of perfection and they wear their items casually anyway, if cgl opinion mattered to them they'd be like the anon in the instagram thread who was whining about not wearing her clothes
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>>9936517
No, cgl ruined them after spreading these websites in the first place. I still remember when barely anyone knew about fril and mercari and the ones who knew about them were either too lazy to search for a proper SS who'd be willing to buy on there or to lazy to learn how to navigate their websites. Then the spoonfeeders ran their course and more people talked about it which resulted in more people asking the same damn questions without any research in an endless circle. Same goes for Wunderwelt when they still were so cheap people thought it was a scam. Yes, I'm still salty about it, that's my confession.
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>>9936548
They do mention that "full coords are too much" though. What's "too much" about wearing a simple OP with some nice accessories, socks, shoes and a modest petticoat? It's not too much at all and actually not very different in intricacy from other girly styles; unless their concept of lolita is focused on OTT all perfectly matching everything which is, again, not what the fashion is about.
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My life has becoming so meaningless and lonely that the main thing giving me motivation right now is helping find everyone's dream dresses.
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>>9936624
What about your own?
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>>9935418

>be active and post daily. If you can schedule your posting routine and upload about same time every day that’s even better. Instagram algoritms love that

>make effort and keep your wall coherent: use same color schemes and stick in your theme.

>interact with other lolitas in ig. Popular and nobodys. Comment others photos and give them likes and they might return the favor

>use tags!!!
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i call ouji kodona on here just to ruffle bloomers

it's especially funny because it's literally just semantics
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More of a /cgl/ confession but I often come into threads and when I'm losing an argument I will accuse people of samefagging or say that I see them post in other threads until the topic derails so I don't lose.
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>>9936560
i'll just say this and then i'll stop responding because you seem hellbent on nitpicking people's words and being obnoxiously literal

i have lots of lolita pieces. rarely do i put them together with an idea of assembling a lolita coordinate. if i put together an outfit and i'm able to call the end result lolita, cool. if i'm not, cool. what i mean is that the intent when getting dressed most days is not "i'm going to put together a lolita coordinate today!" like it is at meetups, even though at meetups i still tend to keep it pretty simple and lowkey. rarely do i wear socks, though i wear tights in the winter. rarely do i wear lolita shoes or "lolita accessories" like wristcuffs or headbows. i don't always wear a petticoat, and if i do it's not always a cupcake shape, i also use A-line retro-shape ones (and you'd be surprised how much a retro shape can change the vibe of some pieces)

a lot of my outfits can be called lolita, sure. a lot of them can't. a lot of them would probably be like some of fannyrosie's coords, where people are like "is this lolita or is this retrovintage or is this otome or is this just a pretty outfit that happens to incorporate a jane marple skirt?"

it's not about "perfectly matching" or OTT or anything like that. i don't post photos online so i don't get up in arms about how to tag things or whether my outfits are appropriate for CoF or not. i just put clothes together that look good together and don't care how "lolita" the end result is.
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I like inciting fires in lolita threads once in a while. It's fun to whiteknight, play devil's advocate, etc, just know some of you sensitive gulls are actually getting pissed off.
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If I buy or own a dress that turns out to be somebody else's DD, I feel kind of smug about it.
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>>9937337
at this point, everyone does. even I do it, this board is easier to troll than any other. i feel like it's because a lot of the people on here solo this board.
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my favorite time to browse /cgl/ is when I'm taking a dump
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>>9937355
Same! I own quite a few of some DDs people seem to post. I don’t go out of my way to but them but it’s nice to know that I own something people want.
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I once altered a brand one piece into a skirt for a brand event because I'm really tall. Everyone stared at me like I was wearing a replica but said nothing.
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>>9937334
I'm the other anon they replied to, you summed it up perfectly.

Generally speaking, simple things like the petticoat, headwear, wristcuffs are the things that cross the line between lolita fashion and just wearing a dress. I don't want to wear those things on a daily basis, and I'm perfectly happy to fit into the 'just a dress' category. Like you, if I want to intentionally wear a lolita coordinate, I will.

It also has nothing to do with OTT. I just want to wear my wardrobe in a more casual, versatile way. I guess if I had to put a label on it related to lolita, it would be 'A la mode', but I don't think that term ever really took off. By 'not perfectly matched' I was referring to stuff like wearing neutral coloured shoes, bags and so on, rather than having the exact colour of shoes, thematic accessories, and novelty bag to match my main piece which is a big part of coordinating in lolita.
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>>9936626
I keep an eye out for my own and I've been able to find three of them so far, but something about knowing other people are happy to get their dream dresses makes me feel better. Sometimes I feel like I don't deserve my own though so maybe I'm just overcompensating
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@all of those anons wearing lolita as regular clothes - someone like this goes to my uni and looks frumpy on a good day. You should make sure that your outfits look good even if they aren't strictly lolita.
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I'm glad that AP spammed the holy lantern re-releases and oversaturated the market with it.

I can't stand scalpers and people who only wear dresses that are expensive because they somehow think expensive = better than others.

Everyone who truly loved and wanted that dress got to buy it, and got to support the brand directly instead of some scalping re-seller. Anyone who paid $400 for it learned a lesson that lolita is not an investment, it's clothes, and that maybe you should buy dresses you actually love and want to wear, instead of getting them for status and re-selling them.
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>>9937771
>you should buy dresses you actually love and want to wear, instead of getting them for status and re-selling them.
I hope this mindset becomes more common, especially in light of scalpers stalking people's dream dresses in order to sell them for a profit on LM. It makes me sad to see our subculture plagued with people like this.
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There’s a girl in my comm that has these dream dresses I own. When I wear them or post a dress I buy in our comms haul thread, she asks me when I’ll sell it and if I will cut her a deal because it’s her dream dress. I have three o want to get rid of because I don’t like how they look on me, but won’t list them because she gets mad that I won’t sell them for almost 200 dollars less then their second hand market price. So I only have the cgl bst thread to try and sell them on to avoid her.
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>>9937771
>tfw truly love and wanted HL but couldn't buy directly from AP
I had to buy mine for slightly above retail because I wanted the pink colorway and they never rereleased that until this year, glad they're finally doing it.
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>>9937893
Can't you just list them and ignore her?
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>>9937771
I agree so much with you. I also hate when people resell an USED dress at a value (much) higher than retail.
Like bitch, you buy a dress, you don't like how it looks on you, and you expect to get the item price + shipping + taxes (!!?) refunded to you? How is it possible to be so entitled?!
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Tying to sell used bodyline for 30, 40, 50+ dollars is fucking retarded. Especially when it's obviously gross.
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I really don't like bonnets, I really don't fucking like them and I will never really use one I don't care if that makes me an ita, I just don't like them.
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>>9937897
I could. But it gets soo annoying when you log into Facebook to do your thing and you see her whining about how someone is overselling a dress she expressed interest in and isn’t willing to work with her on a payment plan in the comm general thread. It’s also annoying when you list it on lacemarket and you get private messages of “ hey I’ll buy that from you if you wouldn’t mind taking off 80 dollars for shipping since we can meet up and swap. It saves on postage.” Ignoring goes soo far before you can’t ignore it any more.
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>>9935626
Sauce?
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>>9937334
Fanny said most of her coords are intended as lolita but other people started arguing about it at some point. She already went back to calling them lolita coords though.
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>>9937907
Lol I've been accused of doing that, when I priced a 1 year old dress exactly at what I paid at that time, but it looked like a little bit more because exchange rates changed since then. Sold within 2 days though.
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I switched my style because my tits are getting big. I don't love gothic but i don't hate it. I'm just wearing it because it's a bit more forgivable.


plus i'm old
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>>9935562
Sounds like more trouble than it's worth, plus you have to hide your 'secret identity' from the lolita community, lest they find out and take the piss out of you forever.

But you do you babygull. You just can't do findom anonymously.
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>>9937471
I’m planning to do this with a brand JSK. The bodice is really boring and fits poorly but when I’ve worn it as a skirt (with the bodice tucked under around my hips) I get so many compliments. I love it as a skirt and wish it would have been available as one to begin with.
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>>9937955
This girl sounds horrible and everyone in your comm probably hates her as much as you do. Just do your thing and next time she complains to the comm about it, politely comment on her post that you’re really sorry, but you can’t take less than x, and you’d appreciate it if she wouldn’t make it a comm issue.
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>>9936328
Same. It looks a bit stuffy and old fashioned and I love that.
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>>9937893
What a shitty person imo. Someone else in my comm tried pulling this shit on me “I won’t pay more than $175! Which is less than what it was worth” and yet you’re begging me for the item? I just told them I’ll think about it, sold it elsewhere for more and they haven’t asked me about it since.
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>>9937893
Make it an auction and watch her suffer
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>>9937907
>I also hate when people resell an USED dress at a value (much) higher than retail
Only a valid complaint if the dress is damaged and/or unpopular, which, granted, does happen; otherwise please learn about supply and demand.
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>>9937916
>I will never really use one I don't care if that makes me an ita
Not liking or wearing bonnets makes you ita now? lol chill, you sound like you discovered lolita yesterday.
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>>9937962
Looks like Sheglit.
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>>9938049
Why don't you wear it with a bustier or corset?
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>>9937893
If she doesn't stop and ends up messaging you when you list the dresses on other sites, can you report her to your comm mods for harassment? There's haggling, and then there's just haranguing people about something they have no control over, like the second hand market. If you ask her very clearly to stop trying to negotiate absurdly low prices and she still doesn't stop contacting you about it, she is basically harassing you, after all.
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>>9936252
Josine?
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>>9938132
Is this a new meme? Her name is dropping in a lot of threads recently.
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>>9938185
>a lot of threads
It's 3 threads in the past week or so.
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>>9938129
Because the style is wrong to coord with one? And because no bustier or corset will fix a bodice cut in the shape of a boobloaf tube. It’s not a matter of it not “fitting” as there’s plenty of room, it just doesn’t look good. Since it’s super boring on top and a piece I’ll never care to sell on anyway, altering makes the most sense.
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>>9938270
You said it first poorly and Idk why you're being so defensive
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>>9938277
>answering a reasonable question is being defensive
I don’t know what you think a normal body shape is if you think someone can fit a too-small-bodice over their hips but ok. Calm down.
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Confession: I think everything haenuli does is god awful. I mean seriously, why do people actually like this brand? It looks like all the fabric is from the local craft store and has nothing interesting or high quality about the designs. Everytime I've seen one in person I've had to pretend to think it looks good but in reality the quality looks worse than taobao.
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>>9938185
>>9938227
Just noticed she's also posted in the ita thread but someone is blaming the ''ex-mods'' for that even though she is an ex-mod.
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>>9938545
as a former haenuli fan: her photography hides the cheapness of the fabric but once you’ve gotten a dress you like it’s hard to admit you hate it; also, fatties.
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>>9938545
This is more like an unpopular opinion. I mean, it's not something you have to hide right? I don't like Haenuli either but I don't feel like I'm confessing that since it's not a dark secret.
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>>9938547
She left last year on good terms afaik. Last week two other mods left and now stir the drama in the ita thread because they didn't leave voluntarily.
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>>9938545
same with idodeclare
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>>9938569
>they didn't leave voluntarily
What makes you think that? The other two mods left soon after some drama too. That they left on friendly terms doesn't mean that they didn't have a reason to leave that they kept to themselves.
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>>9938557
I've never met anyone that didnt like haenuli.
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>>9938545
I liked Just One Bite and that lace overlay dress but the more she releases, the more it looks like those two were anomalies.

>>9938653
How do you know, though? People don’t usually talk about disliking certain brands unless prompted about it. I know a lot of people who think Haenuli is tacky but it’s not a common topic of conversation.
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>>9938653
That's literally what the unpopular thread is for
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>>9938545
Haenuli is weird. I bought Royal Kitten when it first came out and am still head over heels for it. The quality is great and the print is beautiful. Everything else that's been released I haven't owned but it looks SO off, in a way I can't place. It's disappointing because they always use themes that I like (jellyfish, space, creepy shit, la petit prince) but the execution is just wack
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>>9938679
Blames someone for posting an actual lolita confession on the wrong thread when literally this whole thread has been nothing but comm drama and coording

More salt pls. This is the whole reason I go to this thread
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I'm an oldfag. While *obtaining* lolita pieces is significantly easier, especially for a good price, than it was ten years ago, I think that finding your place in lolita, learning the rules, and being able to participate in discussion and make mistakes is probably more difficult.

When we were all on egl it was a central hub and a community. We had tons of "guides" and "what is lolita" and would parrot things like "check the sidebar" and "check the memories." These days there is no such community and there aren't really those same resources anymore. Also, since there aren't really discussion forums now, it's all through social media, everything that you do is attached to your name and your face.

There was always getoffegl, and /cgl/ has been around for like 12 years or something now, but it still seems like there was so much more space for newbies to figure things out and learn from global discussion and reliable sources.
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>>9938622
Why do we as a community even pay attention to her? Her stuff doesn't look remotely lolita. I wish there were another fashion name for the kind of OTT pseudo-historical things she, goatspell, and indrolita make. It's not lolita but it is a genuinely western style with a unifying aesthetic that's nothing like what's trendy in Japanese brands. It deserves recognition as its own thing, adjacent to lolita but not under the same label.
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Confession: Just need to get this off my chest... I hate Sweet OTT coords so much that I feel guilty about it, I can't help but think that those who wear it look retarded. Like Poiret once said, after some point the exaggeration isn't fashion anymore, it's just ridiculous. Does anybody else feel the same?
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>>9938888
As someone who loves OTT sweet, the picture you used looks like disgusting garbage. If that's the type of OTT sweet you hate I think that's fine but not all of it looks like that.
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>>9938867
Tbh you don’t sound like you actually used lj much. There were 30 other lj comms available and then your area may also have its own lj comm, so the idea that lj was more together is false. There was even stuff like a place for moms, brand focused, drug users, etc. Egl promoted making your own lj comm because they didn’t want to deal with different groups. Rc serves the same purpose as the main egl lj in function and is only worse because it has more normies from fb. Guides were just old links to sites or posts, most of them outdated because it’s lj so if the person abandoned it, you couldn’t keep up resources without reposting it yourself and gaining traction. We were lucky that some members were dedicated in this but it’s the same idea as who keeps lolibrary running and really Lolita tips on tumblr is better than any newbie guide on lj even if the person behind it is that great themselves.

Also getoffegl was basically people going on about how annoying someone is on egl and that was commented on by known users including mods, but I do think current cgl is harsher.
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>>9938888
>Hates "OTT sweet"
>Posts decora coord
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>>9938891
Thank you, but I literally hate everything about OTT Sweet... Idk the random "cute" things clinging from hair/wig looks especially dumb, I guess that's the main reason why I dislike the substyle so deeply.
Would you mind saying what do you like about it?
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>>9938905
Is this one a deco coord as well? I don't get what makes one OTT and the other decora, they all look stupid to me for the same reason: crossing the thin limit that differs Lolita fashion from cute to weird. But then again, I also find regular sweet lolita coords cringe from time to time... just can't stand those food-themed prints.
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>>9938888
>>9938905
>>9938985
>>9938995
nayrt but i actually can't generally tell the difference between OTT sweet and decora using sweet lolita accessories either. would love for an angry anon to post examples and counterexamples so I can be less dum
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I miss lolita valentines
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>>9939000
It's the style and arrangement of accessories, plus use of bright contrast pops of color frequently used in decora. People do deco lolita but the second photo was very clearly not, the arrangement and type of accessories was lolita. Decora is all about overload of kawaii. Lolita is all about matching and balance. Research the different styles of j-fash, you may not like decora (I don't like it at all) but it's quite distinct from OTT sweet. It's like the difference between himekaji and lolita, newfags try to call himekaji type looks "casual lolita," but any lolita can easily spot the difference. And similarly, there is hime lolita, but it's so easy to tell from the length, silhouette, and coord styling which is which
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>>9938995
>>9939000

Not an angry anon -- and this isn't the right thread to make a dump anyway. I just find it ironic that the difference is exactly that -- "random cute things clinging from hair/wig".

If you really want to see the difference, simply track down AP ads, probably prints from 2008-2013 would give you OTT pastel sweet. Another clue is to track down the full sets, or girls who are wearing the matching sets and nothing else -- you'll see they're woefully short on "cute things clinging to hair"

Third clue is to look at outfit rundowns. When you get to the cute crap on their head it will often take a drastic break and literally becomes crap, ie-- "plastic toys" or "DIY" or "Claire's children section" -- sometimes it won't even be something that was meant to be worn at all.

OTT pastel sweet was mainly OTT because it's so darn pastel -- everything is like a soft pink or a fluffy lavender or a baby blue from head to toe, topped with a large oversized headbow, and then the dress itself is usually some cutesy print. Remember that it came out in 2006-2008, put it next to old school sweet, you can see the drastic difference, that's why it's OTT. It looks pretty tame today because we're so used to it now.
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>>9939028
Decora using lolita accessoires is one thing, but what about lolita using decora stuff? I suspected the 2nd pic I posted was certainly OTT Sweet and maybe the 3rd one was decololi, even though they share the same style of accessories (except for the little hat)... But if you tell me >>9938985 and >>9938995 are both OTT sweet or both decololi I'll believe you, cause I can't really see that much of a difference.

>>9939053
Wait, so simply using a huge headbow makes it OTT? There's no need of lots of accessories, facial stickers or wig? I guess that explains why I dislike most regular sweet outfits out there... Dear God, I'm surrounded by OTT Sweet coords. haha (One last question: so all the pics I posted are decololi or are there more OTT substyles other than OTT pastel sweet? Wtf is "normal sweet lolita" afterall? Since I'm just a classic lolita fag, I'm confused...)
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>>9939172
no offense anon, but are you just really new or something? i'm sweet garbage and even i can still easily discern differences between different types of gothic or classic coords (i.e. more casual, ott, older vs more modern, etc)
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>>9939172
Omg you seriously need to research j-fash, you are so sadly uninformed I question what your "classic lolita" actually looks like. The close up pic you can't really even tell, it looks to be OTT lolita but who's to say the coord isn't a crazy deco lolita mismash

And yes, a big part of OTT sweet back in the day was just the candy floss wigs with full pastel sweet coords, especially full sets. Other Anon did such a good job explaining it but it's like you don't even know the aesthetics of a lolita coord
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>>9939180
Yep, I guess I'm still really new. This is my 6th month wearing lolita daily, I'm actually quite active in my comm, but I mostly ignore all sweet coords I see in CoF and focus on studying classic lolita. Are there any blogs you guys recommend so I can understand the sweet lolita subtypes?

>>9939181
I'm new to the fashion, so all I wear are safe modest classic coords with IW and MM most simple designs as main pieces. As I said before, I find almost every sweet coord very stupid, so yeah it's hard to fully comprehend the aesthetics of something one finds ugly - but I'd gladly study the sweet substyles if any texts are suggested.

I wonder if being colorblind has anything to do with me disliking sweet lolita in general... Most pastel colors look messy to me, the colorful prints are especially terrible to recognize.
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>>9939250
>it's hard to fully comprehend the aesthetics of something one finds ugly
>I wonder if being colorblind has anything to do with me disliking sweet lolita in general... Most pastel colors look messy to me, the colorful prints are especially terrible to recognize.

These are not very good excuses... It just sounds like you don't know anything about lolita at all. honestly anon, please just look at lolita more. there are many classic coords in pastel colors, and many sweet coords in jewel tones, and sweet-classic coords that could go either way for substyles. Don't ignore coords and pay attention to what does and doesn't get attention- that's usually a good indicator.
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I have a large wardrobe and maybe 90% of it was bought for me. It's not even anything shady (family, friends, bf) but I'd never admit it off anon because it'd get some people's bloomers in a twist.
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>>9939172

Sweet is still sweet. OTT simply stands for Over The Top, what the young ones nowadays call being "extra".

It's the same candy pastel dresses, but when you start adding "extra extra" things like candy pastel wigs and huge bunny ears or some other eye-catching stuff, then it becomes OTT. OTT simply means a coord is "extra extra". Does that make sense?

Here's the same Cherry Berrry Bunny, normal sweet coord. Nothing a lot different except she's using her own hair, so it looks a lot less extra than the models wearing wigs styled as giant bunny ears.
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>>9935977
Dont be autistic? It’s not that hard to talk to someone.
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>>9939349
you have no idea what autism is
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>>9938900
You could all see that on your lj feed. There's nothing remotely useful posted on Rufflechat.
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>>9939250
Why are you even posting here if you didn't read the fucking sticky
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>>9939250
Just look at a bunch of lolita magazines. It's really not as difficult as cgl makes it seem.
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>>9939441
Have you ever read the sticky? It hasn't been updated in years and wasn't made by lolitas in the first place
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>>9938867
Maybe it is just me but lolitas were way more active online when I joined the fashion in 2009/2010. Even cgl was more active like 5 years ago. Buying second hand wasn't that difficult either, many people just weren't used to paypal or shopping services yet and preferred the western market which of course limited their options.
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>>9938900

LJ's static blog format was much better for writing long paragraphs and laying things out in tables and stuff, though. So it was much better suited to host guides on. Even when guides were abandoned they don't get deleted and can be found again fairly easily even if folks forgot to save it to memories or link it in the sidebar. Meanwhile if you write up any kind of FAQ on a microblogging platform like Facebook, you had better save the link ASAP because FB's search function is seriously pants on head retarded.

FB as a platform has its own drawbacks anyway. That algorithm doesn't always work to show you want you want to see, sometimes it shows you a post because a handful of your FB friends are having a convo in the middle of it and it thinks you absolutely must feel a soul-crushing need to read and join in this convo. Meanwhile a bunch of other posts probably got hidden from you because FB's AI thinks you're not interested. At least with LJ it showed you every single thing and you got exposed to every viewpoint from every other lolita, even if it was one you didn't want to see or didn't agree with. Not to mention FB chucking out chronological order fucked up the usefulness of lolitaupdates entirely. You'd really only like FB because it only shows you the echo chamber FB's AI thinks you want to see, instead of actual everything that's going on.
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>>9939337
>>9939476
Thank you, anons. My confusion was mostly about whether sweet coords nowadays are usually OTT (like the one posted by >>9939053, once considered OTT, but now is pretty commonplace) or if the meaning of OTT now addresses exclusively to super extravagant coords with wigs and stuff clinging from hair (like the ones on >>9938985 and >>9938995).

>>9939053
>OTT pastel sweet was mainly OTT because it's so darn pastel
>It looks pretty tame today because we're so used to it now.

These made me curious if there were some other OTT specific substyles, being >>9939053 the regular OTT coord and the more extravagant ones being labed something else. Basically a nomenclature issue.

>>9939293
Oh I expressed myself badly, I love pastel classic coords (with beige/white/brown/grey as main colors), my problem is just "colorful pastel" tones. Like, I can't tell if one is wearing lilac and pink/green and sax or if it's a monochromatic coord with a greyish print as I see it. Coordination of different pastel colors looks messy to me, while old school sweet with solid dresses and white shirts look pretty cute. Bittersweet is especially weird, since I know the prints are 100% pastel colors, but all I see is white and grey over a black background (lol).

Well, thank you all for your time. My heart is relieved after confessing this secret. I'll get my sweet lolita homework done by myself, since no specific blogs were mentioned (I'd rather read articles than just scroll over random pics, but this is fine as well).
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But where are the confessions?
Did you cam in a dress and sell it NWT? Spit in someones tea cup? Do alterations and not tell anyone? Is your waist size bigger than you tell everyone?
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>>9939477
I did years ago when I first got into lolita and it was useful. Never realized no one ever bothered to update it. Where are the mods, first the Dutch ita thread now hearing this
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>>9939588
Do lazy pieces of shit not have access to Google? https://www.google.com/amp/lolita-tips.tumblr.com/post/100142933788/a-guide-to-the-many-styles-of-lolita/amp there's a better one on LJ but I don't like spoon-feeding
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>>9939617
my waist is 27 cm but I lie and say it's 25 cm

>>9939588
Are you fully color blind?
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I didn't have sex in a dress and sell it, but I cut off a tiny bit of torn trim off a dress and sold it as without flaws. Nobody noticed though.
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>>9940113

Also I had sex in several dresses but have yet to sell them.

I'm smart and take BC so he doesn't have to pull out and cums inside me. Then I just hike the dress up while cleaning up. You're welcome.
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I went to the toilet in a dress and sold it
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I have a confession to make.
I know I will be attacked for saying so, but I hate hijab lolitas. Especially those who wear slacks when wearing a lolita dress. Neither slacks nor hijabs belongs in this fashion. 99% of the hijab lolitas look awful. Two examples: Fxxxxxx Rxxxxxx and Fxxx Lxxxx, and the lady who often wears Triple Fortune in hijab too. Minority should never be used as a priority, however on their occasions, they get an awful lot of likes and asspats for being “unique” despite of their ita coords.
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>>9940494
same.
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>>9940494
It doesn’t look good but ultimately personal values and comfort come above anything else. Sick of asspats for them tho.

My confession is I miss the ita story threads.
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>>9940118
As in you went into a bathroom wearing the dress or you shat/pissed in the dress and got it dirty? If you just wore it while using the toilet why is this a big deal? You should assume any dress that's been worn more than just to be tried on has been worn into a toilet.
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>>9940497
why not creating one?
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>>9940494
I think head scarfs are cute but pants and lolita are ugly.
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>>9940494
I think hijab and especially long pants in lolita look pretty bad, but I can’t help but be happy for them that they’re allowed to wear lolita with their hijab at all. There are a lot of Muslim families on my street and the little girls like to follow me around and look at my dresses. A few of them once told me that they would like to dress like me when they are older but can’t, because it’s haram and they would be expected to wear full body hijab instead. Most of the women in this area wear not just the headscarf but also long baggy dresses that cover their arms and legs, almost like a burqa but with their full face showing.
Kind of a confession, because I know that if I told anyone in my comm about this I would probably end up on BtB for “Islamophobia”. They’re kind of SJW and insist that all women who wear hijab in our country do so 100% for themselves and are never ever pressured into it, and anyone who thinks they are is just concern trolling.
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>>9940541
Hello Anon, I am the anon who made that hijab lolita confession.
Another reason I disliked hijab lolitas is that the Islam religion is really bad imo. Its ideology suppresses people, especially women. I didn’t think those who wear lolita with a hijab can see that in their religion.
However, your reply has granted me another aspect of this issue. I wonder why I didn’t look from their point of view earlier. You’re totally correct, it is already luxurious for them to be allowed to dress up in lolita, so probably I should view them more open mindedly.
I still don’t like their minority means priority attitude and those asspats. But you have shed some light for me, Anon. Thank you.
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>>9940557
If they're really even Muslim though. Some of those girls don't wear headscarves all the time so it's obviously just for sympathy points or because they think it's cute when they do
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I’m still annoyed at the petty behavior of one of the mods in my comm. They’re huge as a whale and used to horde brand stuff for “when they lost weight” which never happened. I asked if I could buy a dream dress they let me borrow once (for more than buying price) and they said no. The fucker went around and sold the item months later because hurr durr never lost the weight.
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>>9940115
Why the fuck are y’all having sex in brand??? And if you are why aren’t you using condoms??? Fucking savages
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>>9938545
Plus a million. That sailor moon shit that came out was hyped so much but honestly I was barfing.
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>>9940656
When you wanna fuck you fuck. Doesn’t matter what you’re wearing. Lesbians also don’t need condoms and there is such things as oral contraceptives that couples use instead of condoms. Fucking with a condom wouldn’t even stop the spread of fluids any way. Women spill juice too anon.
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>>9940670
>>9940656
>>9940115
>>9940118
>>9940113
are people actually dumb enough to take this b8 or is it all of the crossboard roleplayers having a little circle jerk

it's always painfully obvious when pervs are pretending to be girls. they have such warped views of what women talk + think like it's scary
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>>9940681
Good point anon
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>>9940670
>>9940681
Y’all some fucking nasty people
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>>9940681
>All women are innocent little angels who would never indulge in perversions, and even if they did they would never post about it on this anonymous Taiwanese stamp collecting forum
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>>9940809
where the fuck did i claim anything remotely like that??
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I miss when people were more "uncreative" and frequently wore full brand sets. 90% of CoF looks like shit. At least you know you'll look good with a pre-coordinated outfit.
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>>9940851
Sort of agreed. Some sets that are released today are overwhelming and kinda ugly when worn together, like AP's prints with their printed tights/OTKs, so I'm not in favor of that; but I do miss "basic" lolita coords. What happened to just wearing lolita as it is without piling on random shit in some misguided attempt to make your coord ~*super unique*~?
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>>9940862
Honestly I don’t mind experimentation and some of my favourite coords were quite experimental, but it feels like many lolitas in COF are trying to run before they’ve learned to walk. Put together a few “boring” but solid coords before you sew two wigs together, wear your bra over your blouse or start carrying a curtain rod around, please. It probably won't give them the 500+ likes they want, though.
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I love wearing lolita, but I care what other people/normies think of me. I'm extremely self conscious and get really anxious. It's not enough to stop me from wearing it because I love the fashion too much, but I don't understand gulls who essentially say "if you care what other people think you're not a true lolita."
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>>9940890
This is what happens when cosplayers attempt lolita.

>>9940891
>"if you care what other people think you're not a true lolita."
Do gulls say this? I've seen them say that the fashion isn't for you if you care what people think about you, not that you're "not a true lolita"; and I can kind of see why that is, assuming the person in question is burdened by the stress of caring about outsiders' opinions of them. Why would you willingly involve yourself in something that doesn't make you happy?
Having said that, if you wear the fashion, love wearing it AND struggle with anxiety and feeling self conscious, while continuing to wear it despite the struggle, you're completely valid. I'd say you should be celebrated and encouraged far more than girls who wear lolita in "safe" spaces like meetups or cons, because they're too scared to wear it otherwise.
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>>9940891
I've never seen it worded that way, are you sure you're not misinterpreting things?
generally the sentiment is "if you're overly concerned/anxious about the opinions of others and don't want to stand out, maybe an outlandish fashion isn't right for you".

Although newb lolitas who get the majority of their information off /cgl/ may have a skewed view on things. with all the bait posts about lolita being ageplay or fetish-y, and the occasional lolita horror story thread, you often see posts where someone thinks the second they walk down the street in a coord they're going to be assaulted, verbally or otherwise. and that's just not true. most people won't give a fuck and the sooner people realise that, the sooner they'll feel the freedom of being able to wear what you like.
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>>9940908
Very well said, anon.
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>>9940908
I meant more like "if you care what other people think of you wearing lolita, you shouldn't wear it." Maybe I'm misinterpreting things. The fashion does make me extremely happy, I love wearing it, I just get really nervous once I leave the house and people stare at me. Even if they think poorly of me I'm not going to stop wearing lolita; it's just that I'm scared of them thinking poorly of me. Now that I write it down it seems a bit irrational, but I guess I can't control that.

>>9940918
Oh yeah, I've never been harassed while wearing lolita out and I don't think that'll happen. 99% of the time people are super nice. My anxiety doesn't stem from fears about that, it's more like me worrying about people judging me (silently).
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>>9940935
I actually feel the same and I wear lolita very frequently. I'm basically forcing myself to stop giving a shit and some days it's actually easier to not care, especially if I happen to catch a glimpse of my reflection while I'm out and about; it's a nice reminder that my anxiety is lying to me.
You're alright, anon. I hope your anxiety eases and you become more confident as time goes by.
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>>9935673
Either your bras are way too smal or your horribly fat with no tits. Either way, get it fixed then buy blouses that fit. Need to remeasure in both cases anyways.
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>>9935714
Some taobao brands like aurora and ariel will cost 15 to 30 euro. That moite one is cheaper than I expected but still expansive.
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>>9940851
Everyone keeps saying this on here but then the lolitas who post simple coords have almost no followers and itas like lazyasslolita have tons.
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>>9941102
>being concerned with followers
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>>9941102
>wearing clothes for instagram clout
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>>9940935
>>9940942
I actually find lolita helps with my anxiety. When im wearing normie clothes and i catch someone staring at me, it freaks me out because I know they're looking at me. In lolita, when people stare, it's the clothes they are looking at. Having people talk to me in public is way less scary when im in clothes like lolita because it's like they aren't even talking to me.

Lolita can be scary in public though, there are some people who genuinely seem to get mad at me for my clothes, and when theres some old guy just staring, and not even looking away when i look...those things are frightening. I swear if you even dress somewhat different in my city, people judge you. I wore a light blue candy stripper dress and this man on the train just stared at me for like 10 minutes until i got off, and a couple kept looking at me and whispering to one another. Normies suck.

it's important to remind yourself that people judge you always, no matter what you do. Just like how you judge people, it's impossible not to. Getting judged based on clothes or pissing off normies is just... its honestly kinda funny. Plus it makes for great stories . You do you, provoke society, and remember if you feel anxious you can always stop wearing an outfit and go home and change.
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>>9940500
Is this your first rodeo here? Have you not seen posts like this before?
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>>9938877
There have been dresses that look like historical dresses that look like they're cut at knee height even since old school times. It's still popular in OTT and with Chinese brands. Much more popular than back then. I don't even have anything with or agai st brands like IDoDeclare and GoatSpell, but I do feel the complains are very double standards.
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>>9941142
>remember if you feel anxious you can always stop wearing an outfit and go home and change.
I was with you until this part. I'd only recommend this if the person in question felt genuinely unsafe; otherwise, this is how you let your anxiety and random rude strangers win. Maybe I'm just stupidly stubborn though.
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>>9935992
but people must buy from you when you have ALL the dresses they want
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>>9935809
When everybody knows... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>9941102
That’s because she bought them
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>>9939588
Yeah I agree with the other anon..

Are you color blind? My friend can't see pastel colors and he's colorblind.. but I also thought that was a XY chromosome thing
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>>9941181
I've been on this board since the golden days when we had a million koots threads on any given day. Stop projecting
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>>9941496
when were the golden days
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>>9941535
Don’t listen to that anon, the Dakota and tripfag circlejerk days were shit. The true golden age of cgl was before that, when Pixyteri reigned supreme as the Queen of Kawaii and Cosplay.
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>>9941496
>>9941568
>tfw this was over 6 years ago
Hold me gulls
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>>9941576
N-no it wasn’t, that was like last year...
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>>9941453
When i first started the fashion I was in high school, so I often would get made fun of or something. I would go home and change (but often not go back to school) just because it was a bad day, and because I hadn't learned to endure it well. Now I don't go home and change anymore, but I think knowing that I have that ability, to just go home, is nice.
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>>9941568
>implying the influx of feels threads infested with crossboarders doesn't make ye olden koots days look like golden days
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>>9941456
Nope, I drop the price like $30-$50 from what I paid and still can't sell very popular prints. I think it hurts that I'm an AP-fag and prints like cosmic , milky planet, etc are expensive
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>>9941629
Crossboarders are fucking annoying but nothing can make me miss the days of spoony, flan and all the other obsessed kooter skinwalkers.
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>>9935910
>take out the pockets
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>>9940681

Nah man I'm real as day.

Unfortunately my boyfriend only likes the retro looking dresses so all the vintagey Victorian Maiden and Mary Magdalene ends up getting used. But I wash them because I'm not an unwashed savage like the other disgusting lolitas who ever wash their dresses.
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>>9947349
God this is such an annoyance!! Why are lolitas so fucking DISGUSTING.

How do you spend 200+ dollars on a dress and look at it and think "I'm never going to wash this :D"
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>>9947377
It's so gross. Once I bought a dress from a otherwise lovely girl and when I washed it it run like crazy. I know red can bleed even after multiple washes but this one was over 10 years old dress and I had color catcher sheet and it still bled a lot. It came up and she said "oh isn't it a bit risky always to wash those?". I'm sorry but I will judge anyone who thinks it's not necessary to wash their shit especially if it's old and been through multiple owners. I have had water run brown from dresses bought from both Western and Japanese market so this is some international mentality within lolita. Disgusting. I bet none of these bitches would wear their normie stuff years without washing it so why it is acceptable in lolita?
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>>9936375
>>9947334

lol I discussed adding pockets into dresses a little while ago and not one, but two anons was all "fuck pockets they make my petticoat uneven, who even uses pockets instead of their bag."

Nice to hear other girls still appreciate pockets. I add them to dresses I'm pretty sure I'll keep forever (it does require cutting into the skirt on the side that doesn't have a seam, but mostly it's a pain in the butt and I won't do it for a dress I'll only wear twice and sell on).
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>>9947407
I have no idea but I just steamed out my ((new-secondhand)) milky planet and it reeked of human body odor and when I peeked it had sweat stains too like dude what the fuck WASH YOUR DRESS
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>>9947407
I was dresses after 2-4 wears. They don't really touch that much of your skin so if there's no reason to I wait.
I have two velveteen dresses in scared of though. One is an old school btssb and one is puppet circus. The old school one I think will do fine at a dry cleaner but I've heard warnings about the other one.
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>>9937471
When I feel people stare at me, I bring it into a casual topic. Alterations are a very decent topic on a lolita event, can also be added into a conversation about fit. Saying something like "I'm so happy I altered [dress name] into a skirt because I really love the print but it just didn't sit right on me." is fine. Just don't bring it randomly like "don't worry I altered brand! It's no replica!".
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>>9947570
It depends. I found most brands use synthetic velveteen and its always been fine on a cold hand-wash cycle (yes, wasmachine). Not all velvets can take it tho, but if you look into different types of velvet and velveteen you can find it out.

>it's very rare to have actual velvet dresses in lolita. That shit's expansive. I haven seen one yet, it's al velveteen. Good quality velveteen, but still velveteen.
>For a ons who don't know. Velveteen means fake velvet. Just like suedine is fake suede.
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I have a serious problem of really disliking Baby's new designs. Their dresses have become too OTT and while I know they've always done it to an extent, I'm not too sure about the use of the prints.
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Something about Misako's face irks me and I hope Yui Minakata outshines her eventually.
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>>9947753
A lot of recent Baby and AatP prints remind me of chintzy decoupage art like the stuff you find on serving trays and cookie tins at the Salvation Army thrift store
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>>9947862
Could it be the stuff she has gotten done? I'm positive she has atleast gotten some lip fillers and probably even surgery. Can't say it didn't work for her but she always has the same expression and it looks a bit empty.
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>>9947862
>>9947882
I've always disliked her face and never saw the appeal. She's rather average looking and all I really feel she has going for her is her long hair and large wardrobe, both which can be done by other people. Especially as she ages, the plainness of her face shines through. I feel like if she were more genuine in her facial expressions she'd improve a bit but she'd never do that because looking dead inside like a doll is her schtick
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>>9947407
I'm scared to wash my dresses. It gives them a "used" feeling. I have washed things I know were washed before but I don't know how to get over my fear.
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>>9947909
By realizing you're a disgusting pig for constantly wearing unwashed shit and stewing in your dead skin cells and BO
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>>9947909
Consider this: Not washing your dresses makes them build up bacteria, filth and odor, even if at first it's not noticeable. At some point it does become obvious and it's unhealthy and gross.
I'm convinced that one of the girls in my comm doesn't wash her brand because some of her garments have the same stains they did years ago, as if she never even tried removing them. She's a lovely girl but that shit isn't cute.
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>>9947909
What is your LM username so I never buy from you? Shits disgusting
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>>9947911
I don't wash my dresses after every wear. Blouses are the part that touch the most of your body, and I wash those every two wears or so. Sorry y'all are disgusting sweat factories.
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>>9947924
There is a difference between washing it every 2-4 wears and anon being scared to wash shit, and others not washing their stuff at all. And you may think you don't leave sweat behind, but you most certainly do leave dead skin cells and over time those build up to leave an odor regardless if you sweat a lot or not.

Uneducated filthy fucking skanks like you give lolitas a bad name.
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>>9947926
What's your LM username so I can avoid your listings? I bet your dresses are falling apart from all the washing you do.
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>>9947930
If you wash things properly they won't fall apart. Honestly this is the most laughable thing I've heard as someone trying to excuse why they are a disgusting pig wallowing in their own filth
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>>9947930
Do you also not wash your normie clothes or is this a lolita-specific thing you do?
Nayrt but I've been into lolita for a decade, I own several pieces that are more than a decade old that I wash regularly and not a single one of them falls apart. Try taking care of your clothes, filthy slob.
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>>9947933
So you're telling me you wash your tee shirts after every wear?
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>>9947926
I don't know about you, but my sweat smells like rosewater. I'm sorry you aren't a real lolita. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>9947936
Not that anon, but yes? Anything that gets worn out is immediately put in the hamper to be washed. Even if you're not aware, you're sweating into everything you wear.
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>>9947938
Fuck you cunt, my sweat smells like baked goods with gold leaf sprinkles. I've got Melty Chocolate Armpits
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>>9947940
Tfw you don't have superior Asian genes to prevent nasty BO
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>>9947940
Let gross bitches be gross. I just want them to list their LM usernames so I don't accidentally unbox a sweat caked jsk
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>>9947942
Asians still lose skin cells every day, and that builds up over time to leave a distinct scent.
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>>9947943
You'll buy my unwashed dresses and never know because I don't stink them up like you do.
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>>9947949
Sorry you're a gross bitch. But at least I wash everything before wearing it so I don't have the chance of having your skankflakes rub off on me.
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>>9947942
They're just mad they're probably fat and sweat like pigs.
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>>9947951
>anyone that practices basic hygiene and is grossed out that others are okay with wearing unwashed filth must be fat

lel
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>>9947945
I exfoliate every day with a rachel lace buffer , get on my level sweaty.
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>>9947955
I use Cgl Salt Scrub™, works like a dream.
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>>9947955
>using ita lace
>not having a hoard of private ita slaves from which you have forced them to collect their tears and concentrate the salt to make a body scrub

Fucking pleb. Honestly kys
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>>9947885
>>9947882
>>9947862
For me, it's the downturned eyes, which are emphasized by where her bangs are cut. I find that any downturned features (eyes, mouth, etc.) all look aging and saggy. She does have gorgeous hair though, and I still don't think she looks bad.
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>>9947930
I hope you realize that all the oil, dirt, and skin cells that accumulate in clothes will also eventually contribute to the fibers breaking down faster if you leave them there long enough.
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>>9947940
I definitely do the same for things like OPs, blouses, socks, etc. but that seems a bit excessive for skirts and JSKs (the ones that don't hit right up under the armpit).
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>>9947963
I believe downturns eyes are a very desirable feature in Japan. It makes you look more youthful and innocent. But I agree misako is looking kind of old with her eye bags, and not in a cute way.
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>>9947968
Huh, I didn't know that. I'm Chinese, and the standard there seems to be that upturned eyes ("phoenix eyes") are preferable. Cultural differences are interesting, I guess.
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>>9947967
Agreed, this is what I do too, but anon didn't specify not washing some specific garments that don't come in contact with her skin - She said she's straight up afraid to wash her things. This is unfortunately not uncommon in lolita which is bizarre and disgusting, and the fact anons try to argue that it's okay is baffling.
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>>9947973
Ok yeah, that's disgusting. If anyone did that with normie clothes, they would be socially shunned. But somehow it's ok and common in lolita because ~delicate Japanese clothes uwuu~
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>>9947936
yes, this is normal. you sound like you reek.
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>>9947977
I don't sweat buckets every day. You probably need to wash after every wear because just moving from your couch to your fridge is so much work for you.
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>>9947979
not sure why you're targeting me in particular when literally everybody else except you washes their t-shirts after they wear them. do you re-wear dirty underwear too?
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>>9947982
>targeting you in particular
How would I know it's you if this is an anomous board?
I do wash underwear after every was unless I'm selling it for Braundo money ;)
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>>9947985
what is braundo? what is anomous? is your BO so toxic that you're losing brain cells?
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>>9947985
Ah. Larping male confirmed.
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>>9947973
I'm the anon you're talking about. I should have been more specific and I see how my post may have come across. Blouses, socks, petticoats, etc. All get washed. Solids and cotton items I've also washed with no problem. I know my fancier dresses need to be washed at some point but I'm just afraid of damaging them. I'm not against washing, I just don't want to fuck up and I don't trust dry cleaning. Should I be very gentle and handwash and see how that goes?
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>>9948007
There are extensive guides on the topic you can find by googling. A super quick rundown: check the tags, you can find guides to translate them. They will tell you if you can't dry clean. Spot wash part of the fabric to see if it bleeds, if it doesn't run cold wash gentle cycle. Air dry flat. You can also search for other lolitas that own your dress and ask them how they've cleaned it.
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>>9947753
I’ve hated nearly everything released by Baby/AatP in the last few years, which breaks my heart because Baby got me into lolita in the first place.
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>>9948022
I'll bite the bullet and give them a try. Thanks!
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>>9948033
What do you hate about them now?
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Back when I was a cheap tween ita, I bought a replica of my dream dress. I still can't bring myself to let go of it. I don't wear it anywhere because duh, replica, but I'm too sentimental to get rid of it.
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>>9940494
I agree. From a purely materialistic point of view they are ugly as fuck. But also their reasoning most likely makes no sense. Muslim women are supposed to dress modestly, so that both means not to show off, literally and figurally. Meaning don't show bare skin except the face and hands, but also don't be too flashy. Actually alot of muslim women go bad there, wearing makeup is vanity so...

point being; wearing flashy fashion is contradictory to their religion.
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Confession:
I'm starting to get annoyed whenever i see a thread on rufflechat or BSoLF pop up that's about how they can't fit into this or that.
"Oh i'm looking for a blouse that fits boobs of over 100cm" or "Does anyone know how far this will stretch?" and the like.
One after the other. Can't we have topics that aren't just for fatties?
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>>9948134
I wanna break down all the ways you are a dumbass but that post would be far too long and you're clearly not worth anyone's time.
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im a gothic lolita who loves moitie as much as most others, but i dont give a fuck about mana or his bands
I respect all hes done for the fashion, and I think he's a really good face for the brand, but I swear theres tons of ppl who wear moitie that just wear it as glorified mana merch. It was especially bad years ago. I felt like most ppl didnt give a shit about the clothes or anything else related, they just wanted moitie because it was mana's brand. It really turned me off from moitie for a long time.
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>>9947909
Wtf do you mean "used" feeling

Getting stains and sweating all over your dress will ruin it faster than fucking washing it. This is so gross, please at least invest in a steamer.
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Confession: I look down on lolitas who haven't been around since the old days. They act like they know everything, but they weren't there when it was almost impossible to get authentic Japanese pieces. I cringe at the bad coords and young faces I see when I host meets and info panels at cons, and I try to help the new lolitas, but it's so exhausting to hold their hands through everything. I'm a grumpy grandma lolita now.
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>>9947909
If you use fabric softener, it will wear out your dresses fast. If you tumble dry with more fabric softener, they will feel 'worn'. Simply hand wash with mild detergent and air dry, and it will feel new for a long time.
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>>9947949
Honey the moment someone goes to get those wrinkles out, that BO smell comes right out and infests our rooms. It's gross. Please research how to clean your dresses because even the glitter prints can be washed in a washing machine on cold water, gentle cycles.

Why does everyone think these dresses are so delicate? They're not, and if I'm paying 150+ bucks for a dress it better fucking hold up during washing. I've never had a problem with my dresses becoming "ruined" by really most things
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>>9947940
This is wasteful and stupid. Do you wash your bedsheets every night too?
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>>9948177
Nayrt I think that anon was egging the other anon on
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Maybe they meant Brawndo, it's got what plants crave. It keeps your whites colorful and your colors caked in macaron dust and spray cheese
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>>9948124
same anon. i own a couple of replicas from 2009 or so and don't want to sell them. i'm a lonelita so i don't wear them to meets, and i don't wear them to cons, and i don't post those outfits online, but i'll totally wear them to brunch or whatever, idgaf
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>>9947882
She makes the same expressions on purpose because of her doll aesthetic. She said lolitas have bangs because it hides their eyebrows and thus makes it harder to know their true emotions.
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>>9948185
depends on the item and the context. i live in the american south, so if i go out in the summer for even a few minutes, anything that gets worn will have sweat and sunscreen on it, which i will want to wash. flu season, everything gets washed. t-shirts i will wash after a single wear regardless of time of year, because even if i don't sweat, they've had full contact with my body all day. skirts i will wear a handful of times before washing since they touch very little of my skin. same with hoodies and jackets. etc.
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New thread: >>9948304
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>>9948149
Or you can't break down shit because they didn't say anything actually wrong.




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