>>20962880
PISS
OUT
MY
ASS

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Old and very confused here, which hand grinder for pourover?
C40 for 210€, J-Max for 230€, ZP6 for 260€ or something else entirely?
Don't mind spending money if it lasts me a long time.

>>20962890
C40 is top tier, but its been eclipsed in terms of its feature set. You're stuck with bottom adjustment like on the much cheaper 1zpresso Q/Qair/Kin P2, which all have nearly identical burrs(just not polished as sharp). Going up from there to the Kin K6 and 1z Kpro/plus/max/ultra gets you a bigger(48mm) version of that burrset and you get external adjustment. Zp6 will be higher clarity/thinner body than those, but you may not like that presentation and you won't be able to pull traditional espresso since its not generating a ton of fines. "Better" for lighter coffees. Jmax will be much higher body than any of those options which will be "better" for (relatively) darker coffees and thicker espresso.

>>20962890
>something else entirely?
This is a stupid good deal. Two top tier burrsets for 240.
https://kinugrinders.de/product/m47-phoenix-special-offer/

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5th for anime and coffee.

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>>20963143

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>>20963148

As someone who does mainly espresso, how do you dial in pour over?

>>20962880
Spanish Roast, otherwise known as charcoal

>>20963143
Why do americans normalize drug use?
I believe now smoking is less accepted in the media than literal drugs.

>>20963174
depends on the style i guess.
i mean the fundamentals are there.
>taste
>too x = coarser
>too y = finer
but more granularly you would(should) be measuring or at least have a general awareness of:
water
temp
drawdown speed
stalling(if happen = bad)
agitation(what kind and how much)
but usually most of that is irrelevant and just play with grind size until its close enough and then if you really want to, fuck with the other parameters and see if it changes much.

Tried Blue Mountain at my farmer's market. It IS really good. But eight dollars for a six ounce cup of coffee is just too much.

>>20963195
>But eight dollars for a six ounce cup of coffee is just too much.
feels like something you do like once a year as a treat.

>UPS tried to deliver my espresso machine during the one hour I wasn't home, but they needed a signature
>oh well, I'll just go pick it up
>no number to call
>"scan this QR code to manage your delivery"
>have to make an account
>once you have the account, it's $10 to change the delivery
>doesn't even have the option to just pick it up
Terrible. When did that change?
In other news, I got a much better brew out of my moka pot by cutting a paper v60 filter to sit over the grounds. I'm used to a kind of vague and muddy taste from it with sediment at the bottom, but this one was sweet and clean. Is it worth grabbing some aeropress filters for that, or would they just be slightly more convenient?

Any recommendations on roasters in the pastebin?
I want to give some non-local roasters a try

>>20963252
Moonwake, apollon's gold, sey, hydrangae, thepickychemist

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>>20963300
>hydrangea
Based cobbee enjoyer.

>>20963387
lol Do you have a tripod specifically for your saucer?

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>>20963387
cute

I will sip coffee while I dig the graves of all these yotes

>>20963640
>maiming instead of killing them outright with claymores and anti personnel mines
thats not very cash money of you yote-anon

>>20963640
Compost them yiggas.

>>20963732
yotepost, its what the plants crave.

>>20963656
these traps are humane, they don't actually hurt them, they just trap them in place. I will of course hurt them.

I have a game camera setup to watch the trap and notify me if anything is there. Also there are zero pets in the area.

So tell me when the encore is a bad grinder

>>20963236
I've used aeropress filters over the bottom of the seal for so long now I forget what is was like without them. Just pick up a couple hundred off ebay for a few dollars.

>>20963842
I have an encore esp and it makes fine espresso. People in this general HAVE successfully shilled me into thinking I need a df64, or I've considered getting the sette 270wi for gbw. Fuckin assholes.
>also
Should I get a chemex brehs? I think I'd enjoy it but a setup with filters is like $120.

>>20963875
Don’t waste money on a chemex
Save up for a decent grinder

>>20963875
>it makes fine espresso
Yeah its great for 9bar shots of Peet's and Starbucks Veranda bags from costco. What are you drinking?

>>20963387
Kino.

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>>20963939
I hate you. Why am I letting you bait me and convince me i need a better grinder. I should just kill myself. I grabbed some of this today but I've posted here before from the same roasters. Perhaps I can sell my encore and get a df64 2.

>>20962880
I make €14/hour. What should I buy to replace my €40 Braun coffee drip machine? Something basic and cheap that would result in superior coffee.

>>20963982
I think you would greatly appreciate an upgrade drinking single origin spro. DF54 video but you'll get the idea of the jump in quality you're missing out on. Going to a Df64 with ssp or lebrews would be another world entirely. Wait a bit and you might snag a black friday deal.
>encore is a moped tuned and hacked to be like a motorbike
>df54 is a motorbike
https://youtu.be/eb_5H8uydQs?t=828
https://espressoaf.com/guides/burr_catalog.html

Better buy the DF grinders soon before Trump takes office and imposes a 60% tariff

>>20964004
I'll definitely get one if I find a good black Friday sale and sell my esp. I'm very privileged to say $400 is not a lot of money for me, I just hate wasting money, hence my crying over wanting a different grinder. I'm sure I'll make back a big chunk of the cost cleaning it up and selling it on ebay.

>>20964021
Already have my DF64 gen2, broken power button and all.

>>20963867
Dunno why I expected them to cost more. You're right, might as well. Cutting up the v60 filter is getting old already after a couple of days.

>>20964022
$400 is cheap homie. My burrs alone are $630 now.
https://www.mahlkoenig.us/products/e80s-gbw-peak-burrs-set-cast-steel-80-mm?_pos=2&_psq=80mm&_ss=e&_v=1.0

>>20963640
>not skinning them and selling yote hats
its like you hate money

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>>20964137
I heard they're major pain in the ass to skin. Also I have to trap during specific seasons for fur, I'm just doing this as pest control.

>>20962880
This might sound crazy, but I want to try making a coffee soda. I'm going to be working grave shift soon and will need lots of caffeine. But here's my idea, make a really strong cup of aeropress coffee, add a whole cup of sugar to simmer in a pot into a coffee syrup, then bottle it with champagne yeast and add 2 liters of water. It will ferment for a couple days and get fizzy. Would simmering it for 20 minutes ruin the taste and burn the coffee? Are there better ways to make a concentrated coffee like maybe cold brew, moka pot or phin filter? Has anyone tried anything like this?

>>20964453
>This might sound crazy, but I want to try making a coffee soda
pretty sure an anon already tried this.

>>20964453
look up nitro cold brew

>>20964471
I'm thinking more along the lines of a sweet fermented drink, but highly caffeinated. I bet I could make a sweet coffee root beer if I practiced, I've only made ginger beer so far but it was good.

Throughout the upcoming weeks starting now, I will coming be dropping in and doing tests to see if you guys are gay. So be on alert.

>>20964510
so you will only stay if we are gay?
fag.

>>20963875
i hated cleaning mine so i gave it away, so unless you're consistently making 10 cups of coffee at a time just get a v60

>>20964531
I meant like I will make posts and I will see the types of replies I get. If the replies show that you guys are gay or if I get reported or something, it will prove to me this general is gay.

>>20964569
I am a regular poster here and it has been confirmed at least 5 of the regulars here are gay already so idk

>>20964579
Faggots

>>20963252
>Any recommendations on roasters in the pastebin?
most people i know consider sey to be the best roaster in the US

proud mary always runs excellent coffees

rogue wave is the only roaster i know that always has multiple coffees from southeast asia

counter culture is probably best bang for your buck imo

black & white run a ton of anaerobic, co-ferment, thermal shock, and non-traditional processed coffees. personally not a fan of these but good place if you enjoy them

everything i've had from square mile and tim wendelboe was excellent, especially tim wendelboe since i'm a fan of nordic light roasts

not in the pastebin: george howell, flowerchild, coffea roasterie, coffee collective, special guests, prodigal, lucca cafes especiais, coffee circle, canyon

>>20964584
>proud mary
>rogue wave
>black & white
These places sound sus.

>>20964588
Sus as in hipster?

>>20964593
Kinda. Like sus as in low t hipster soi boi faggot cuck with those light wood and metallic decor.

>>20964600
Bro…you just dissed my favourite coffee spot…

>>20963174
what pour over method do you use right now?

two pour is my go to. most methods are unnecessarily complicated which make it harder to dial in and repeat once you get it dialed in. i'm able to consistently get 21-23% extraction too, so under-extraction isn't a problem with this method

>>20962880
4 more years of Don roast.

>>20964551
Isn't the v60 a lot more finicky to make coffee with, as opposed to chemex?

>>20962880
I fear the day that people get judged for drinking any level of roast at all instead of green coffee
Tea culture's invasion of the coffee sphere has been an objective disaster, and will inevitably lead to coffee culture's collapse
I just watched a video of a guy WASTING a Skywalker roaster by taking the beans out before first crack and claiming they were "almost too dark" when they were clearly a medium roast

>>20964770
brewing green coffee tasting like shit.
would have a better time putting grass clippings into cup with boiling water.

>>20964774
It's odder still that no one can formally trace where this whole craze of "all non-light roasts are bad" started, it just spawned out of nowhere

>>20964781
>this whole craze of "all non-light roasts are bad"
can you show me proof of that?
i have never seen that.
i have seen "dark roasts are shit" but thats completely different.

>>20964698
Theyre mechanically the exact same, but Chemex has significantly thicker filters and chokes itself off.
>>20964770
>before first crack
>Clearly medium
I'm going to guess the guy who owns the roaster knows a bit more than you.

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ahhhhhhhhhh deer get out reeeeee

Also people actually like dark roast for drip?

>>20964927
uuuuoooohhh im gonna eat leeaavveeeess eaaahhhhh im deeeerriiinggg fuuuuck

>>20964927
I wouldn't really call them people.

>>20964952
I hate them so much. They're pest and I can't kill them as such.
>>20964973
Isn't dark roast big with Yuropooreans?

>>20964998
Its big in the italian diaspora. Post WW2 scarcity shit. Trickled into france/spain/portugal. The nordic countries have a bit more sense.

>>20964820
yup, chemex filters are terrible
>Isn't the v60 a lot more finicky to make coffee with, as opposed to chemex?
filters typically have more impact on if the brew is "finicky" than the actual brewer. the quality of hario filters is inconsistent so my brews used to vary by ~30 seconds or so. i use cafec filters now and my brews are always consistent so i'd recommend those

or use a paper towel like anon in the previous thread

*ssiiiiiipp*
ahhhh
burundi, it doesnt get better than that.

>>20964145
what's your initial thoughts on the aiden? worth it to cop?

>>20964781
>it just spawned out of nowhere
it definitely didn't come out of nowhere. light roasts highlight the origin characteristics (terroir if you want to sound like a prick) of the coffee the best. roasting darker decreases these qualities cause the flavor compounds break down due to caramelization. carbon content also increases the further along into a roast which is what gives dark roasts their color and flavor profile. this is why dark roasts taste the same but light roasts vary wildly. defects are next to impossible to hide when you roast light, whereas a good roaster can hide defects with a medium/dark roast

point being, a light roast is the best roast level for evaluating the quality of a coffee. that's why almost every producer, exporter/importer, coffee lab, and buyer cups the coffee at a light roast, regardless of how they actually intend to roast it. it's definitely more of a "recent" development (would guess it started sometime in the past 60 or so years) and has continually gotten more popular as the specialty coffee industry grows. but that's where it spawned and people don't see that side of the coffee industry so it makes sense why it felt "out of nowhere"

>>20965082
>60 or so years)
unless you have a source i dont think thats true at all
from my understanding light roasts(as in specialty light roasts) started gaining popularity in the third wave coffee movement which started in the 1970s(actually closer to 1982 when the Specialty Coffee Association of America was founded), but didnt evolve into the third wave coffee we know today until the 1990s, and the term "third wave coffee" was coined in 1999.
but it still wasn't a common term until 2005.
so closer to 40 years i would say.

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>missed out on the moccamaster sales
>lowest price all year
>sales might return on bf / after xmas
>still unsure what model I should cop
it's over

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>>20965128
>moccamaster

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>>20965163
yes, what seems to be the matter

>>20965048
>or use a paper towel
PSA: Paper towels are sometimes bleached with elemental chlorine to make them white.
This releases dioxin and furans, some of the most toxic chemicals known to science, please anons check your paper towels first.
Unless you're one of the anons who believe caring about chemicals make you weak I guess.

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>it's here
>it came in three layered boxes weighing a total of 68lb
>it's huge and dominates my countertop
Gonna remount the tank to the side so it fits better. Can't wait until morning when I can make a couple of milk drinks.

>>20964927
My grandma used to buy Irish Springs bar soap and put it under the leaves of her garden plants to keep these little boogers off them.

>>20965218
>$2000 espresso machine and a $400 grinder

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>>20965218
based

>>20965082
What if you don't want to drink grass tea?

>>20965258
then stick to charbucks and lavazza if you like borderline burnt beans

>>20965008
Tannins matter
Molasses is a valid flavor note
Green coffee will replace light roasts and you will be happy for it

>>20965261
Just burn down all the farms that supply them to ensure expensive light roasts are the only coffees left

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>>20962880
Are you trying to tell me I can run a big ass hunk of meat through my coffee machine? Sounds like a great idea.

>>20965263
I've got about 50lbs of greens and a roaster. Nothing is getting replaced for me. Luckily for you Brazil will always grow shitty lowland beans to be carbonized.

>>20965280
I've seen places sell dark roast geisha and you're missing out on the taste of chocolate covered cherries

>>20965289
I've seen farmer's markets sell years old blue mountain off amazon.

>>20965293
I wasn't talking about old stock
I was talking about taste but bots can't taste things

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>>20965258
then don't, no one is making you do anything anon
>>20965267
damn near every single farm sells to volume buyers like starbucks and lavazza. when the coffee is graded by the producer, they'll select the best screens (specific bean size determined by size of shifting screens, pic related) and sell that coffee for top dollar. the rest of the screens will be sold for less, based on their respective grade. some farms will even sell unsorted coffee, defects and all, for little to practically nothing. the lower grade volume lots are usually what starbucks and grocery stores buy

note, this is a very very big simplification. if farmers only sold their best coffee, they wouldn't make enough money to survive. plus the farms have nothing to do with how the roasters choose to roast their coffee

>>20965368
Don't engage with dark roast cope.

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>>20965280
brazil produces ~40% of all coffee and the majority of people drink bad coffee so yeah most isn't good. but there are some real gems out of brazil
>>20965289
had this medium/dark roast gesha from Lucca earlier this year. very different profile compared to a typical light roasted gesha, still really enjoyed this coffee

>>20965218
This is such a nice kitchen photo I'm saving it to my kitchen autism folder. Thanks anon

>brought a more expensive coffee
>now i can't drink my old cheaper one anymore
this is literally a scam

>>20965456
Sure thing, I'll tell my wife you liked her aesthetic.

>>20965238
Yeah, that's a pretty nice cup, I got it at crate and barrel.

>>20965223
It used to be a $250 machine and a $400 grinder. Old machine shit the bed, figured I'd get a nice one since I'm replacing it. I pull 2-5 shots per day, and at least two of those are for milk drinks, so I really wanted a dual boiler.
One thing at a time, no reason to toss a good grinder. I'll look into upgrading at some point in the future.

>>20965533
Just put extra sweetener in the cheap one and give it to your wife, women judge coffee quality by sweetness.

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>>20965078
Uh it's pretty darn close to the moccamaster, but ever so slightly better just because you can really dial it in and the shower head is actually setup correctly. If you can get a deal on the moccmaster I think that's good to go.

also I dropped one of the filter holders and a piece broke off :/

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>>20965549
>women judge coffee quality by sweetness

>>20965218
>My grandma used to buy Irish Springs bar soap and put it under the leaves of her garden plants to keep these little boogers off them.
peppermint spray seems to work too. What matt is that? Looks good for catching grinds.

>>20965570
It's actually three mats right up against each other. I got them on Amazon, name starts with "tebery 3 pack rubber bar mat 18 x 12". It's pretty good, though spray/spills/whatever have gotten between the mats in the past, and my countertop is mildly discolored in some spots. I might try to get under there with clorox wipes or something to try to remedy that. Though maybe I should have tried to do that before plopping a 60lb machine onto it...

>>20965565
anon she has heart eyes!
is that some kind of medical condition or maybe contact lense?

>>20965603
>he doesn't know women's eyes turn into hearts if you dick them hard enough
Shameful

>>20965589
>my countertop is mildly discolored in some spots
Spray with diluted bleach solution, let sit for a couple minutes, and wipe.

>I should have tried to do that before plopping a 60lb machine onto it...
:/

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>>20965603
>>20965617

>>20965391
anon wants to drink shitty dark roast so fuck off. i hope anon at least tries better coffee but end of the day who gives a fuck what i think

Fresh dark roast can be pleasant. It just stales stupid-fast and most people end up brewing it too hot.

>>20965874
>Fresh dark roast can be pleasant
mmmmmmm depends on what you mean by dark roast
in ops pic, anything more than a city roast is undrinkable garbage.

>>20965865
>>20965368
Neither of you outright denied wanting these farms to burn down for supplying dark roasts

>>20965874
Grind finer

Brehs, can you shill me a cheap grinder for moka pot only on Amazon that I can gift to my father for his birthday?
I’d like an electric vs manual alternative, if it can grind for pour over it would be a nice addition but not necessary.

>>20966245
>only on Amazon
Manual: Kingrinder P0, P1, or P2; whichever is cheapest and in stock.
Electric: idk.

>>20966265
Thank you.
Probably an electric one would be better for him because he’s not a coffee enthusiast, the kingrinder looks nice btw.

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>>20963195
I tried some myself after it was hyped up last thread. It really is a fine cup of coffee, now I wish I was a richfag so I could drink it regularly.

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>>20962880
Good morning. I think I’m finally getting a bit better at latte art.

>>20966353
It's good but the Japs overrate it and pump the prices up

>>20966291
Consider their K-series, if your budget permits. They have a metal body which gives them a more premium feel.

The MHW-3Bomber R3 is another alternative at a similar price.

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I had a really good Oaxacan cup of coffee that was only 8 bucks a pound and cannot find it now since the lady at the farmer's market who had it retired

>At my local covfe shop for a covfefe
>There's a branded display stocked with bags of whole beans
>At least I know where I'll get my first bag of beans when I get some coffee gear, I think to myself
>Too bad there's only one type of beans here, so I'll have to look elsewhere to explore the coffeeverse
>Coffee gear in the mail, I'll take a closer look at the bags of beans, check the price
>They're not actually all the same; on the front of each package is a reasonably sized, but relatively inconspicuous, label of their country of origin
Now I'm paralysed by choice: how do I decide which bag to try first?

>>20966429
I usually take one with tasting notes and roast level that match my preference, and a roast date within a couple of weeks. If it's good, I go back and try the others. You can always freeze them if you can't use them immediately.

>>20966381
Looks great, good job!

>>20965621
I'll give the bleach a try, thanks.

>>20966429
How do you live on a day to day basis with this level of crippling indecision?

>>20966381
thats a nice onion anon :)

>>20966468
considering he is here posting greentext about it, i would say he doesnt.
>>20966429
cant go wrong with ethiopia as a first timer.
or if you want to stay in the americas you could go with a guatemalan or honduran

>>20966468
Ineffectively

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redpill me on the moccamaster flow rate question
is it a meme? Is it good? does it help not overflowing the basket brewing with lots of coffe full pot and soft water?
if it's good I literally have to spend double to get the select/optio

>>20965876
Go shoot up your local roaster over it, Hoffbot

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>>20966639
Just get the Aiden. The age of MoccaMaster is Over

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>>20966664
that BBC brewer? Aiden Precision Coffee Maker?
never heard of it, it's 430€/560$ here
is it 2.8x as much as the cheapest moccamaster
redpill me on it

>>20966404
did you ask ask the farmers market to see if anyone had her contact info?

>>20966664
>the large batch brewer has a huge flat filter non standard in most shops
literally doa, need the standard 1x4 broski
it's over for the bbc brewer, moccamaster wins again

Why would someone pay $250+ for a drip coffee machine? A drip coffee machine that doesn't even include a [shitty] grinder?

>I want good coffee for me and maybe another person or two
pourover
>I want ok coffee for lots of people
French press
>I want ok bordering on good coffee for lots of people and am ok with wasting hundreds of dollars for something that is worse than doing pourover myself
Moccamaster/Aiden

>>20966741
if you aren't in the top 3 coffee consuming countries, you wouldn't get it
we are not the same

>>20966741
>Why would someone pay $250+ for a drip coffee machine?
the actual answer is its not designed or marketed towards ANYONE who would ever ask that question.

>>20966741
also a mm in europanistan is easily below 250, I see on amazon usa they are way more expensive
they are not for burgers
a select on amazon usa is 352 usd and here its 251 usd
I can cop a manual for 180 usd on sale before 165

>ok bordering on good coffee
I wonder what your take is on instant and real shit brewers

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>>20966696
>>20966733
I don't see what buck breaking cock has to do with anything. I have both, and while the moccamaster is good, the aiden is better.

>>20966769
hopefully considering it cost more here
the non standard filters is buck breaking my ass though, you expect me to go around hunting non standard filters in my eucuck stores?

>>20966664
aiden is not sca certified
https://sca.coffee/certified-home-brewer

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My coffee gear arrived today and I made coffee.
Tasting notes: bitter, astringent, generally unpleasant

>>20966879
Buy a nice bag from thebarn.de when you finish that.

>>20966769
>I wonder what your take is on instant and real shit brewers
real shit brewers are fine. everyone that gets into coffee always obsesses over the gear when the actual coffee is far more important. a $50,000 setup won't make cafe bustelo taste any better than a mr coffee would. a good grinder is worth the money but even the cheap grinders have gotten pretty damn good.

so until you anons can make a good cup on the mr coffee then don't bother with more expensive gear. start with the fundamentals: buy better coffee, which means learning a bit about coffee so you know why it's better. then figure out how to brew it properly, which means learning a bit about brewing methods and theory. once you get that down, you'll realize how little it takes to make a good cup when you actually know what you're doing. after all that, if you still want to buy an aiden or a moccamaster, cool. now you'll actually know how to get the most out of it

>>20966484
Mean

>>20966910
I think I will experiment a little with grind size before throwing most of the bag out. It still smells like coffee, but it's been sitting open for months. (My brother bought it, not realising it was whole beans.)

>>20966911
>real shit brewers are fine.
>when the actual coffee is far more important
I don't agree
same store bought pre ground coffee, shit brewer vs mm
weak not hot tasting of something vs hot smooth coffee
literally the bottleneck
>gets into coffee
2 decades of sippin tho
>you'll realize how little it takes to make a good cup
yeah hot water, a cheap brew literally can't even deliver this

>>20963548
No it's a normal camera tripod.

>>20966879
>bitter, astringent, generally unpleasant
Yup. Sounds about right for supermarket coffee through a moka pot.

>>20966948
>pre ground coffee
>weak not hot tasting
so the grind was too coarse resulting in an under-extracted cup, therefore the shit brewer is bad? or you didn't measure the amount of water and ended up using too much? or a combination of both? sounds like you even didn't dial in the coffee anon, granted you were using pre-gound but still

i was getting ~19% extraction with a mr coffee a couple weeks ago no problem. i ground my coffee finer than i typically do for batch brews and i used a fork to mix the grounds to make sure they all got wet. sure you wouldn't have to do this with something like the moccamaster but you not understanding how to dial in probably means you're under-utilizing the moccamaster as well

the true bottleneck is the quality of the coffee. no equipment will make the coffee better than it physically already is, you can only brew it under or up to it's inherent potential. one of the reasons why there are so many brewing methods and variations is the result of people trying to reach that peak potential of the coffee. the equipment is a tool used to reach that potential, not the other way around.

>yeah hot water, a cheap brew literally can't even deliver this
a v60 is what $10? half the World Brewers Cup champions used a v60

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>>20967037
More or less as I expected. Any recommendation as to what coffee is best suited to a moka pot, or if there's anything to be done to salvage what I have in the house?

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>>20967109
is this a zojirushi rice cooker? how do you like it

>>20967040
>every single pre ground coffee in the store specifically for electronic brewers is ground wrong
no, the problem is the brewers and their water temps, amongst other things

>a v60 is what $10? half the World Brewers Cup champions used a v60
almost as if they have hot water, unlike a potato auto brewer

fuck it I'm qutting coffee and energy drinks and taking the caffeine pill (literally)

>>20967126
just go to a local cafe and buy coffee there. will be better than anything at the grocery store, unless your store has intelligentsia or something else on par

otherwise, any quality coffee. there's no reason why you have to run an espresso blend or any specific type of coffee. would recommend trying lighter roasts and single origins just so you gain a better understanding of what you like. there's a lot of great coffee out there, but most people don't get past the burnt grocery store coffee and are convinced that's great coffee

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Post the best cup of coffee you've ever had and tell us what beans it used and how you prepared it

>>20967153
Papagalos dark roast, with three careless spoons of sugar, cooked in a briki over a camping stove in a museum break room by a colleague. The first cup of coffee I ever enjoyed. I don't have a picture, but I wish I did. It looked like hot chocolate.

>>20967128
Different anon here, I love my zojirushi.

>>20967153
Jamaican Blue Mountain, Pre-Roasted, drank black. Was in a shitty apartment at the time so it kinda felt like drinking Dom Perignon from a paper cup.

>>20967153
Papua New Guinea, roasted light, with no milk and two splenda. Drank it to stay up for an essay I was cramming for and aced it

>>20967196
What kind of Papau New Guinea coffee? In my relentless autism to find an affordable replacement for Jamaican Blue Mountain I've discovered that half the coffee that comes from PNG actually comes from trees that were imported from Blue Mountain in the 1930s

>>20967199
Sorry Anon, don't know. But it had a very smooth profile, low acidity.

>>20967138
>every single pre ground coffee in the store specifically for electronic brewers is ground wrong
if you check, all those coffee brands use slightly different grind sizes. plus there's no standardization among electric brewers so the grind size they pick is for some vague general brewer, so basically arbitrary. this is probably why people that buy pre-ground like certain brands cause the grind size is more or less dialed in for their brewer, but that's just a guess.

grind size is just one variable. brew ratio is also very important. if you're not weighing out your coffee and water, odds are you aren't brewing the exact same ratio every time. ratio has a massive impact on cup profile. earlier i said a good grinder is almost always worth the money but honestly a scale is probably the single most important piece of equipment. without it, you're just guessing

>fuck it I'm qutting coffee and energy drinks and taking the caffeine pill (literally)
that's stupid. just hear me out and i'll help you make better coffee. plus light roasts have more caffeine so if there's ever an argument against "dark roast best" it's that

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>>20966816
it's been out for maybe a week

>>20966911
disagree, if your cheap brewer doesn't get hot enough it's just gonna be meh

>>20966879
>bitter, astringent, generally unpleasant
well that's par for the course with a moka pot anon...

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>>20967199
would be good practice to start paying attention to the varieties of coffee you're drinking. you'll be able to pick coffees based on which varieties you like and try ones you haven't had before. also gives you insight on how different origins can affect a variety's cup profile.

that is also why i have a problem with jamaican coffee, hawaiian as well. almost all the coffee from these places give zero information about the coffee. most specialty coffee will give you the name of the farm/producer, the altitude the coffee was grown at, the processing method, harvest date, roast date, certifications, and variety. the vast majority of jamaican and hawaiian coffee just says "100% jamacian/hawaiian)". i've been told that most coffee out of jamaica is descended from typica but for whatever reason this fact is obscured by its sellers.

pic related, this bag says pacamara once on the back. its very good, i enjoy it more than the colombian pacamara i have rn too, but for the price it should have more information

Water not hot enough? Roast darker.

Is Kona coffee any good? I see online it's as expensive as Jamican Blue Mountain and Panama Geisha

>>20967429
for the price, it's a total waste of money. that bag was four times the price of the colombian pacamara and at most 10% better. but that's only 10% better than this specific colombian pacamara, i've had way better ones that still cost way less

the reason hawaiian coffee is so expensive is labor costs due to it being grown in the usa, small production amounts, and high transportation costs due to being so isolated. this holds true for most island grown coffees from origins like jamaica as well

i just wanted to try a hawaiian coffee, bought this one in particular since it actually had the variety listed

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zp6 speshul came in. what setting should i start at? for use with a v60

>>20967508
i always start at 3 and adjust based on how that cup comes out. typically i'm in the 3-4 range

what brew method do you use with v60?

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>>20967508

>>20967604
this is a good chart, where did you get it anon?

i've told people that 20 clicks on c40 and 4.3 Ode gen2 and 3.5 seem to be about the same grind size, glad that this confirms it

>>20967473
The Hawaiian coffees that are worth it are from Molokai and Kauai

>>20967642
what makes them stand out from other hawaiian coffee?

>>20967296
Impossible. There's no mention of such things in the sticky.

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>>20967636
Stole it for the homies. Wanted something to tack onto the grinder chart to show that cdante measures step size differently and never got adding it in. Feels like it ends up being too much info for a newfag to glance at.
>** Comandante clicks are the approx. burr gap change. Others are the Vertical burr movement.
>These are not the same. Vertical burr movement * 2/3 =approx burr gap(allegedly)

>>20966879
The beans could be better but gonna need more instructions then that. People generally don't use a Moka pot to best effect.
What was your grind size?
How did you pack it?
Did you fill it with hot or cold water?
Did you put it on the lowest flame setting it can go?

>>20966914
g...gomenasai...

>>20967153
>best
based on what metrics
i have had amazing coffee that i would only drink like a couple times a year
and i have had amazing coffee i would drink every week

>>20967695
>What was your grind size?
40 clicks out. The arrow didn't point to 0 when I tightened it all the way, but I'm confident it couldn't be tightened any further.
>How did you pack it?
Pour in 1/3 of the grounds, break up clumps with WDT tool, repeat until full. Tap the sides and then the bottom to level it out.
>Did you fill it with hot or cold water?
Cold
>Did you put it on the lowest flame setting it can go?
Yes. It took some time for the flow to begin.

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This sounds nice, I will now buy your coffee.

>>20967148
This is such a rarity to find outside of your precious little corner anon, enjoy it

>>20968116
>$26
i might pick some up next week or the week after.
if you get some let me know how it is.

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>>20967153
not the absolute best i've ever had but cupped this java variety from guatemala. definitely the most memorable coffee i've had this year

>>20967823
>40 clicks
Did the manual say that for Moka pot? If you're using the recommended setting for Moka pot on that grinder it can still vary bean to bean and you'll need to dial it in. Generally you'll want to go courser for bitterness and finer for sourness.
>pour in
Yeah no need, dump it all in and then Wdt and tap there's no difference.
>cold
Use boiling water and screw it on with a hand towel, having the flame on low with cold water has probably contributed to overextraction. Hot water with a low flame will work better.
The only other tip is a areopress paper filter over the seal but honestly....
>supermarket beans that have been left sitting open for months
This is your real problem, you're trying to make a painting with a toilet brush. Buy some fresh beans.

after dinner burundi
just a small cuppa

quan bros...
hoon is raughing at us

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watch this
look at all that spare vapor pressure
rings any ideas?

>>20962888
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>20968357
HOLY

>>20968357
bet you could roast some beans with that heat
maybe even use the rotation of the wheels to spin the drum the beans are in.

So I got some *dark* beans a week ago. At first they tasted burnt and bitter but today my shot (which pulled fast) tasted fine.
Dunno if it's relative or if I was pulling my shots wrong at first

Good coffee is expensive; even mediocre local roasters are selling 12oz for $20-25 dollars now.
Is home roasting a viable way to make good coffee for cheap or is it too good to be true?
>$100 popper
>$5-10/lb green coffee beans
The math says you'd be breaking even pretty fast

>>20968493
Homeroasting is great.

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>>20968493
I make 180k (USD not yuropoorbucks) a year. I do not care lol

>>20968610
>low 6 figures
>yeah I don't care about spending money needlessly
Go be a goober somewhere else

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>>20968620
I value my time anon.

>>20968610
>t. Loud and proud Baratza owner

Eased back the grind a bit on my moka and diluted 1:1 with water. The result is more palatable.

>>20967704
>based on what
Just the best cup you ever had Anon it's not that hard. Yes I'm aware you don't drink 100 percent Kona on the same regularity you drink from your local roasters, and I'm also aware you roast your own coffee, just post your favorite cuppa without being a prick about it

I wouldn't recommend home roasting to save money unless you drink a LOT of coffee, the initial costs are substantial

>>20968493
Specialty beans cost ya extra, plus if you get into the hobby you'll want more than a hundred dollar popper. Plus trial and error. I'd recommend doing home roasting for the fun of it or to sell at a farmer's market

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>>20962880
I hate hot coffee. I like cold coffee.

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:D

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Thoughts on these little dudes?

>>20968802
Le quirky Flair equivalent for redditors

>>20968802
Chinese clone of the baby faema. Would have been very simple to adjust the leg width to accommodate more scales. Anything lighter than medium dark needs extensive preheating.
https://thelevermag.com/blogs/articles/faema-baby

>>20968791
Jesus mary and joseph how much is that gizmo

>>20968833
40€ Japan import, with filters.

>>20968357
how does it have enough traction to drag a 160 lb man? surely the wheels of the engine would spin in place

>>20968791
What function does the base serve? Is it just displaying the weight and temperature?

>>20968935
What the fuck anon it’s a scale with a timer lmao

>>20968802
they'd be perfect if they used standard portafilters.

>>20968943
My eyes aren't so good
>It's a scale with a timer
So you're telling me I can replicate that whole setup with misc. kitchen items

>>20968984
yes

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>>20968727
>$5-10/lb green coffee beans
>Specialty beans cost ya extra
you can def get 85+ point coffees in that price range, pic related

>$100 popper
you can definitely roast coffee with this or any pan you have lying around, but the quality of the roast won't be good and roast consistency will be pretty much impossible

>>20968802
fun but outclassed by pretty much everything.

>>20965218
>>20967109
How many of you anons actually have "proper" home espresso setups?

I feel like at least 70-80% of anons in here are doing drip/pour over/areopress/etc.

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>>20968984
>replicate that whole setup with misc. kitchen items
You will need some specialty equipment.

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>>20968709
>just post your favorite cuppa without being a prick about it
hmmmmmm
ummmmmm
mmmmmmm...
i guess it would be that first bag of burundi kibingo natural back in June 20, 2022(could probably find the archived thread and my first post where i gushed about it)
and i say that was my best because it gave me an anchor point in coffee, i had gone around and had a bunch of different origins and styles for a few months but that first cup of burundi really changed everything for me.
not only was it a great cup but it was also the first time i really said "this, this is what i want from coffee" and so i can play and explore, but at the end of the day im coming back to burundi natural process.
and its the only bean i can actually think of that i would genuinely be happy with drinking every day, week after week, month after month.(i kept ordering more burundi natural process every other week for almost a year after that first bag)
i love changing it up every week, but if i had to settle down and just pick one that would be the one.
:)

>>20968717
could you share you math on that?

>>20969053
Define proper. I've got a $500 flair with another $700 ish of unnecessary "mods" to log pressure and flow. About twice that into an endgame grinder. +new portafilter,baskets,milk frother. Makes good spro. The only downside is the flair's limited volume but I'm happy with being able to consistently pull 1:4 65g shots.

>>20969098
That's lower end proper, but still proper.

>>20969109
I think $2600 into a grinder and $500 into a machine is a much better low end than $2600 into something like a profitec pro 600 + a df64. Others might disagree. I'm never pulling espresso for more than a handful of people so not having a boiler doesn't really affect me.

>>20969098
You like it enough to put $700 of unnecessary mods into it? Isn't thermal management annoying?

>>20969133
Its a flair58. Has the heater. The "mods" are an acaia scale and a bluetooth pressure gauge that can be moved to another machine.
https://www.naked-portafilter.com/product-category/smart-espresso-profiler/

>>20969058
the hell is that, a plastic pedal?

>>20969053
GCP Gaggiuino mod + DF64

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Something about flair shit just makes me smile. Would I ever buy this? Fuck no. But I like it.

>>20968717
>>20969084
nta, but a roaster i know has one of these as a sample roaster. imo it'd be an ideal home roaster. has pretty much all the same features as larger commercial roasters and can still fit on a desk. typically runs about $2,500.

https://showroomcoffee.com/product/huky-500t/

yes, i'm aware there are a ton of much cheaper options. if you just want to try roasting for the hell of it, you can easily find a roaster for around $500. however, if you want to be serious about roasting and be able to roast quality coffee consistently then you'd need a machine similar to this.

ikawa has a home roaster for about half the price but only has 100g capacity. this would be your best bet if you just want to roast a little coffee or only roast occasionally. pretty much every roaster i know has an ikawa for sample roasting so they're legit. another roaster i know had a link sample roaster but hated it so they got an ikawa

>>20969198
>$2,679.00
lol
lmao

>>20969132
I'm >>20965218, and let me tell you, the cheap espresso machine I used to have was seriously limiting and annoying. The quality of the grinder only goes so far when you have no control or measurement of pressure and temperature. Plus, the back and forth between steam and brew on the thermoblock was pretty miserable, since I make a lot of milk drinks.
It's been a completely different experience for the last couple of days.
Generally though, I'd agree. I didn't need to jump to a machine of this caliber. I just decided to bite the bullet when mine died, knowing I'd be changing it again later anyway. If you can get a machine that isn't a limiting factor (probably starting around that $500 mark that you mentioned), the grinder should be the bulk of your spend.
Guess I'll need to start researching grinders soon...

>>20969220
>Guess I'll need to start researching grinders soon...
whats wrong with your grinder?

>>20969132
>$2600 into a grinder
What $2600 grinder is "worth" it over a DF64 or DF83V or similar $500-1000 grinders?

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>>20969220
Yeah I used the pp600 partially so noone felt called out. ~10 years ago homebrewers were BALLING if they were able to snag a cafe used 64mm mazzer sj. Those people have been real happy with their espresso for a decade. Nowadays you can overnight a df64 and have a smorgasbord of burrs to choose from. Don't have one, probably won't get a 64mm carrier for my wug if it ever gets made, but I think they're sick.
>control or measurement of pressure and temperature
F58 is rock solid in terms of temp and pressure. Pair it with a good kettle(stagg) and there's little to bitch at in that regard. Quick heating+I taped a switchbot to the power button so its already hot when I wake up.
>milk drinks
Def a reason to go with 60lbs of boilers. 99% of the time I'm drinking ultralight-light stuff so not having a steamer didn't really matter. I've got a dreo baristamaker now so occasional latte is on the menu.
>Guess I'll need to start researching grinders soon
What burrs are you running now?

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>>20969275
I've got a wug2 83a. Built to order, swappable burrs without losing alignment. Runs 80/83 flats and 71/83mm cones. Potentially other sizes in the future if enough people bug them. I'm using the OG 80mm Ditting Lab Sweets that everyone has started (trying) to copy within the last couple years. Niche Duo and Df83 didn't exist yet. I paid like $1000 less than the Ditting 807 was at the time and got a much smaller, quieter, better aligned grinder with lower variable rpm. If I wanted to I could spend $489 on another set of burrs(and the carrier) to turn it into a $4000 Weber Eg-1. Or $359 to turn it into a $2100 Weber Key.
https://wug2.com/products/burrs-and-carriers?variant=49130888626493

>>20969330
That's not really a better grinder though, that's just a more versatile grinder, which sure if you care about swapping burrs easily and quickly, that's a great investment.

But if you just want a single burr set I see no reason why you'd spend anywhere near that much, even if you did want to use the weber-type burrs.

>>20969339
64 and 83LS are a very poor imitation of Ditting 80s. A better grinder is a better grinder. There's a reason every SSP burr is a knockoff of a Hemro design.

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>>20969379
Yeah and you'd never notice a difference between a 64/83 and a Ditting if you had to taste them all blind.

Pretend all want that you're getting "better" coffee from your money if that's what helps you feel better about your sunk costs.

>be me two days ago
>first time making coffee in a coffee machine
>put way too much coffee grounds in the coffee machine
>put way too much water in the coffee machine
>coffee comes out really strong to the point that it's driveway sealant
>not even milk could save it
>drank it anyways, I made it
>yesterday
>put less coffee in but still too much water
>coffee comes out diluted
>somehow tastes nasty cause it's so dilute
>still drink it, it's not that bad
>today
>put more coffee less water
>comes out drinkable
>even better with milk
>good job me
It's cheap coffee grounds and just a regular coffee maker but I managed to do it right. I know this is a lame story but I'm a pretty lame person. Good thing I don't have to make coffee for other people.

Do espresso anons think they’re better than pour over anons?

>>20969397
Hopefully you get to try some decent coffee one of these days. Might change your perspective. Probably won't.

>>20969465
if you ACTUALLY think there is a significant difference between a $500-1000 "knock off" and a real Ditting you're a moron lmao.

Diminishing returns are solidly in place at the $500 price point, going to $1000 is BARELY worth it, and you're really trying to say $2200+ is NOTICEABLY better than the $1000 pricepoint?

Come the fuck on. You're talking about going from an A to an A+, they both make great coffee. Pretending a $500 grinder wont even give me "decent" coffee is absurd.

>>20969445
No, we know we are.

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>>20969473
Hey man some people like Shasta cola. Others like Faygo. Neither of them are Coke though.

>>20969480
Coke is objectively inferior to Pepsi, it always loses blind taste tests. It just has better branding

>>20969486
In this case Ditting is Coke, Mahlkoenig is Pepsi, and they're both owned by the same parent company.

>>20969480
not even close to the same thing, it's a fucking grinder.

It's like saying coke made in one production facility is SIGNIFICANTLY better than coke made at a different production facility using slightly different equipment.

>>20969491
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. Maybe we can get some 98mm burrs shrunk down to fit the df54 soon.

>>20969427
:)

>>20969525
Again, you're niggling about the 99.9999 percentile difference that even if YOU can personally taste, isn't generally going to be WORTH that expense for anyone but yourself and the 2 other autists you've convinced to follow you. Most people are perfectly happy to get the amazing quality coffee you can achieve with $500-1000 grinders. Hell, plenty of people are perfectly happy drinking coffee on cheap shitty $100-200 grinders, or even less.

Diminishing returns have fully kicked in by the time you're hitting $2000+, you're paying for longevity, low production scale, features, quality control, attention to detail, etc. You're not buying a massive increase in the quality to the actual ground coffee you're producing. At best a slight increase to quality and consistency, but even that is going to be minimal for the $1000 vs $2000 comparison.

>>20969543
You seem very happy with the quality of coffee you're getting. Certainly not seething on 4chan about it.

>>20969566
Nah, I asked what grinder is worth $2600 and why, then you crumbled and had to fall back on the "oh you're just too poor to have tasted good coffee" because there is zero reason to do so based on taste alone and blind tastings have proved it.

>>20969254
Nothing yet, it's a great machine for the price, but I'm well aware that the DF64 is chinesium and will eventually shit the bed on me. I'm kind of expecting to find myself in the same situation as with the cheap espresso machine - it lasts some years before giving up, and you replace it with something higher quality because you make more money by that point.

>>20969275
There's definitely something to be said for build quality, longevity, serviceability, and "overbuilding" something (e.g. putting in a larger motor so you know it'll never hit peak load, rather than using something that barely makes spec and will burn out later). Dunno about $2600, though, I imagine you hit diminishing returns slightly above the DF64 price point. Maybe $1000 ish? Anything beyond that is probably extra features or just branding.

>>20969301
Yep, the milk drinks is a big sticking point (and driver of cost). I was once very close to buying one of those little robot lever brewers, if only for the romance of it, but we can't go with only espresso here. The F58 was quite an attractive choice as well, and probably more reasonable than the robot.
>ultralight-light stuff
Actually, a part of the reason I went for a machine with flow control was so I could make something lighter here and there. There's a roastery near me that makes some really really good light roasts, but I just couldn't use my previous machine for that. I remember one bag I bought, not realizing the roast level, that smelled and tasted just like peach cobbler... For one shot that I couldn't replicate. Tragic.
I'll have to stop by there soon. I like to have some beans just for milk drinks and something lighter for straight espresso.
>burrs
SSP high uniformity. I use it for pretty much exclusively espresso, with the occasional coarse grind for moka or super fine for Greek.

>>20969579
>and why
I explained why. The burrs I wanted were only available in a grinder $1000 more, with a custom carrier for a more expensive 98mm Levercraft Ultra, or if I got lucky finding a good price on a used ditting 804. Early revision DF64s were junk. 64LS didn't exist yet. They arguably still don't exist seeing as SSP already has 3-4 revisions of it all performing wildly different. Df83 and Niche duo didn't come out for another 7months+. Maybe I should have waited a few years until every burr design was available at a price you're comfortable with?

>>20969583
1800 for the grinder and set of burrs, 450 to upgrade those burrs from mazzer 83s to ditting 80, 240 shipped from HK and another ~80ish in customs. Could have ordered a Zerno for $999 but again, it wasn't an actual product yet and noone had seen a production unit. Could have gotten fucked and lost money on a dud. Now Zernos start at $1350. That's what I'd call a marginal improvement for ~$1000. They spin the same 64mm burrs as the cheapest revision of df64 so why would anyone pay that tax?
>hu
Figured. You might be looking at some big cones to compliment those milk drinks. A monolith conical would look great next to that lelit.

>>20969480
You're correct, all of them are awful. Only Dr Pepper is good.

>>20969543
You're never gonna convince a snob that they're retarded my man

'offee
:)

>>20969729
luv a cup of brown joy m8

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>>20969427
>Good thing I don't have to make coffee for other people.
You can make coffee for me, Anon. I won't judge.

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>>20969708
>nuh uh people are VERY happy with timemore c2s!

>>20962880
Lord forgive me i bought a chemex

>>20969797
do you have it right now or is it in the mail?

>>20969790
People are happy brewing on the stove because it's coffee and *you* can't taste the difference between $500 and $1000 dollars

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Opened this one up yesterday. Been sitting since summer. More of a light-medium roast I think. The flavor is subtle compared to their other flavored offerings. Worth finishing, but I'd pass on this overall.

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>>20969790
SOME people are. Are they hurting you anon?

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>>20969790
new anon here, but i swear every single coffee lab i've been in uses one of these bunn ginders

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>>20970099
2/2

i just hope every anon with an expensive setup is using equally expensive coffee.

unrelated, but every time i get an extremely nice coffee i end up cupping it with some local baristas and roasters. very much not an optimized way to brew it, but if a coffee is truly excellent it will demonstrate itself on the cupping table. plus it's always nice to enjoy good coffee with other people

Thoughts on upgrading my JX Pro gray dot with a K Ultra? I want a more pour over capable grinder while being able to still make moka and espresso.

Also I was eyeing the Kingrinder K6 which apparently is the same as the K Ultra minus the 1Zpresso QC.

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>>20970115
for espresso you always want a grinder that offers the most precision possible. the smaller, more precise micron adjustments the better.

that being said, i've never used a kingrinder or 1zpresso grinder for espresso. if the quality control isn't there you'll lose some of that precision. so it depends on how precise you want to dial in your espresso. if you're happy with most espresso then the cheaper option will be fine. if you're keeping a logbook of every micron adjustment and accounting for temperature variation of the grinder due to the heat generated by the friction and making adjustments for that deformation, then the more expensive option will be better suited for you.

coffee is very much a hobby where you can spend as much money as you possibly want, so don't feel it's necessary to always go for the more expensive gear

Is there any real difference between brown (natural) and white paper filters? Does it matter at all?

>>20970129
I’m happy with espresso from my current grinder, it’s just that there are small fines that make my pour overs less clear, that’s the main issue. I don’t want 3 separate grinders for each style, I can live with a good one that makes every style good enough. 1Zpresso are wonderful machines, kingrinder leave from the same factory and production line but they don’t have the same QC and in fact cost 50% less

>>20970192
i've never used one of these but might be the cheapest option if it's just the fines causing you issues. would see what others have to say, so if another anon has used this let us know if its worth it

https://fellowproducts.com/products/shimmy-coffee-sieve

>>20970168
white are bleached, brown probably went through less chemical baths, but both are safe. brown is just mildly better for the environment i think

>>20969053
I have a gaggia classic evo pro and a df64 ordered. I guess that's "low end proper" like someone else mentioned.

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thinkin about picking this one up as my Sette 30 that i've had for several years now started acting up
baratza is gonna send free parts to fix it, which is great, but i've been kinda wanting to upgrade for a while and start getting a scale
coffeefag on youtube really seems to like this one. It does look pretty slick

>>20969822
It's in the mail. Will post whatever shit coffee i make with it when it arrives today.

>>20970351
start using a scale*

>>20969053
Got an old Bezzera BZ09 and a Eureka Mignon Turbo. Nothing too fancy, but a very solid setup desu

>>20970351
Espresso or pourover? Just get any "coffee scale" Amazon anon. I have one that's $20 it works fine. I'm only considering getting a time more black mirror because it's tiny for espresso. My current scale would be relegated to pourover.

>>20970362
lad, i'm primarily talking about the grinder
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>>20970362
oh, meant to say for Espresso
i like that they list pourover and french press as options, though. Is that too good to be true?
I don't do non-espresso often at all, but sometimes I do and sometimes other people might want to

>>20970365
Oh yeah get a df64 instead if it's a similar price in your country. I'm at the gym and got distracted idk why I honed in on your scale comment.

>>20970370
aww, do I have to? I was already looking forward to having this thing in my kitchen. Looks cool
why is the n64 better?

>>20970339
It'd still put it above the flair morons. It's a thermoblock, but at least you're not doing lever autism.

>>20970374
If you ever wanna do espresso, get the df64, if not, the ode is the best you're gonna find for filter coffee for the price, I'm just a minmaxing espressofag so from my perspective I'd be like
>well what if I DECIDE I want to buy an espresso machine....
And then my stupid ass would buy a df64 and never buy a machine. The df64 is great for filter too, but ya.

>>20970385
It’s 99.99% for espresso

>>20970379
Thanks anon. I gotta gagguino it, seems like it'd be a load of fun. Anyone here got any experience doing it personally?

>>20970388
Yeah the big thing there is just the amount of adjustment since obviously they're the same burrs and everything, realistically I'd say get what makes you happy, they're so similar. If you don't have the minmax autism you'll be happier with what you actually want, and that's what's important imo

>>20970396
The main thing I didn’t like about the sette 30 was the lack of granularity in the settings actually. Initially considered getting the sette 270 for that reason, but thought I’d look at what else was out there. I figured since so many people seemed to like the time more one maybe it wasn’t an issue. I’ll look into it more

>>20970370
>if it's a similar price
the df64 appears to be $300-400 less actually, depending on if it's the variable speed

>>20970410
Honestly I'd probably go with the df64 with that
>>20970420
And the price difference in mind, sucks though considering you prefer how the ode looks. Happens to the best of us i reckon.

>>20963190
Because millenials are all faggot drug addicts

>>20970431
oh sorry it's not the Ode actually. Should have stated the name earlier. I'm quick to reverse image search things so I assume everyone's doin that. Time More 078S
https://www.timemore.com/products/timemore-electric-coffee-grinder-sculptor-series

>>20963190
smoking is literal drugs tho
>>20970433
you are a millennial addict

>>20970435
Damn, in my head it looks just like the fuckin ode gen 2. I was so confused. Idk that much about the sculptor, desu.

>>20970353
ok :)

>>20970449
:3

Ah I’m seeing now the 64mm burrs are very standard and this 78S would be kind of an oddball

Hrmmm guess that’s not the most important thing. Does seem potentially regrettable tho. I just want as consistent of a grind as possible with enough granularity to dial it in. Don’t particularly care about swapping burrs if it works

>>20970456
I think you'd be happy spending less money on a df64 and using the extra dosh to upgrade your burrs or [spoiler]buy coffee[/spoiler]

>>20970456
Everything im reading says the 078 is better for pourover/filter, the DF64v is going to be better for espresso. Both are solid.

>>20970460
078S would be the espresso version

Everyone does seem to really like the ds64 tho

>>20966749
Based Norwegian. When I stayed there for my post doc the flat I was renting had a 20 years old moccamaster

>>20968489
Darker beans need finer grinds, way finer.
A normal dark pull requires the grind of a ristretto medium

>>20969053
I have a Breville Dual Boiler and a DF-64V and once I Slayer mod the espresso machine I don't have much ambition to upgrade anything further than that. That being said I've been drinking filter out of my Switch for probably the last six weeks or so

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i have like $50 to spend on equipment
what would represent the position on this graph?

>>20970568
v60 + cheapest scale boil water and pour it in from a cup or something

>>20970573
ok and the grinder?

>>20970578
buy pre-ground coffee for awhile and save up

>>20970581
i have the money i just dont want to spend it on fucking coffee gear
also why not french press?

>>20970584
$50 wont even get you the essentials, so not sure why you think being so niggardly is somehow going to work here.

>>20970591
i can make coffee for $3 so $50 sure buys me a whole fucking lot more dipshit maybe dont reply to me if you have nothing to say

>>20970595
You can make "coffee" for free if you're being that industrious you stupid fuck, but you might as well just drink tea at that point if you're just tossing shit beans chopped up into hot water.

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>>20970099
They're 'cheap' compared to ditting and malk. 80mm burrs but they have a weird flange on the back so theyre not compatible with other burrs. People buy them used and get an adapter ring machined so they can run sitting/ssp. Called a bunnzilla.

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>You can make "coffee" for free if you're being that industrious you stupid fuck, but you might as well just drink tea at that point if you're just tossing shit beans chopped up into hot water.

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this is the guy who tells you to spend $500 on coffee

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>>20970362
>Just get any "coffee scale"
INCORRECT ANON

>>20964831
Yes, tea is an infusion, but not all infusions are tea. Coffee is also an infusion for example (some may argue it's more of an emulsion, but that's a discussion for another day).