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What was the point of this character?
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>>101650808

To piss off long time fans
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woke twitter black girl stereotype
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>>101650808
How forced will her "crush on Peter" sub story be in Spider-Man 2?
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>>101650808
Give Peter a non-white love interest
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>>101650808
Absolutely none. She was a background character given too many lines, and what was supposed to be a big revelation just pissed off moviegoers and fans alike
>>101650837
I doubt she'll even come back. Weird bit is that both Marvel Comics and other Marvel Spider-Man related media is back on the pro Mary Jane train
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>>101650808

Diversity fill.
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>>101650871
Too late
She's back in it
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>>101650808
I think they wanted her to be MJ, but they change their mind on it.
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>>101650808
JUSTICE
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>>101650995
Next movie confirms she’s the MCU MJ.
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>>101651540
Source; your ass
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To be MJ until backlash made them change it.
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>>101651540
But her name was Michelle
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>>101650821
This. They're testing the boundaries of how much they can get away with.
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>>101650808

She was probably originally planned to be a blackwashed version of Mary Jane, but the initial blacklash when that rumor leaked made them back off a little.

It's the same way Bendis originally planned to kill off Peter and replace him with Miles to make the only real spiderman a PoC spiderman but was forced to back off so they just have both.
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>>101650808
Token character, race baiting and using angry readers as free publicity. Happens all of the time now sadly.
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To have really unfunny, forced dialogue. In fact, the movie as a whole was really unfunny.
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>>101651704
It would have flopped if China didn't bail it out. They barely squeezed by this time.
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>>101651760
I guess Sony learned their lessons about courting the communists after Ghostbusters (2016).
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>>101650808
Liberal SJW agenda
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>>101651574
Did they make her uninteresting at best and annoying prick at worst because not the backlash?
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>>101651829
I mean people getting mad isn't going to magically give them better writers.
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Anti white propaganda
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>>101651866
This
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>>101651866
yep
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>>101651866
DEATH to White MJ. We need Black MJ obviously.
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>>101650808
To be the modern MJ. And I don't mean that in the sense that she is now half black but that she is a softer, with some elements of MJ's home life but not too much version of MJ for the MCU target audience. Much in the same way that Tom Holland's Spider-Man is a Peter Parker for the modern MCU audience.

I mean everyone went crazy about how she was now a black girl but her basically being turned in the audience surrogate tsundere should have been more of a fucking set off.
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Why didn't they cast a white, red-head as MJ or even a blonde as Gwen Stacy?
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>>101651974
She's a shitty tsundere
She's just a prick
It'd be one thing if she was just that way to Peter but the fact that she didn't go in the Washington Monument kinda proves she'd be that way to everyone
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>>101651866

Yeah pretty much.

I mean statistically the last US census showed that black/white romantic relationships are exceedingly rare, less than 1% of the population. The only rarer one is asian/black which is so rare it almost doesn't exist.

Yet black white romantic relationship pairings show up again, and again, and again in Disney movies. Particularly among the main characters. In Spiderman:Homecoming for example BOTH Peter's romantic love interests are black and the villain is married to a black woman.

If these movies were demographically accurate these pairings would be vanishingly rare. The only time that representation and reality diverge this far is when someone is trying to change the way the audience thinks.
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>>101652094
>It'd be one thing if she was just that way to Peter
Yeah she's a prick to everyone but she also wants to fuck Peter.
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>>101652054

White people playing canonically white characters? In the current year?

How horrifying.
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>>101652121
Outside of Jessica Jones there's what three interracial relationships?
Danny Rand and the Asian chick
Cloak and Dagger
This is #3

And Peter's love interest is the villain's daughter so that a bit unfair
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Is Zendeya officially MJ?
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>>101652262
Not yet.
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>>101652094
>She's a shitty tsundere
They are by definition shit. So she fits right in.
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>>101652262
She is Michelle Jones. There is no Mary Jane Watson in the MCU to date.
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>>101650808
Maybe she's gonna be Spider-Girl
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>>101652054
>tfw we will never get emma stone as gwen stacy again
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>>101652294
Would be a nice cop-out
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>>101652121

Its almost as if no one but autists looking for conspiracies actually even bothers to look up census information.
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>>101652297
She wasn't even the hottest Gwen Stacy in a Spider-Man movie
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>>101650808

It sounds like they are scared to make her Mary Jane because it will piss people off. If they go through with it I won't watch Spider-Man.
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HOW DO WE PREVENT THE GREAT WHITE ERASURE IM SCARED
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>>101652477
She's one of the leads in the sequel, and she's MJ. She's definitely Mary Jane.
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>>101652294
Next movie already has Jessica Drew
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>>101652529
You don't have a source on that. And no, she's not Mary Jane
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>>101651698

He had Peter dead for years you doof.
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>>101650822
This. I don’t want to appreciate anything built by slaves, I’m gonna tweet that thought from my smart phone assembled by underage Chinese slaves.
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>>101652529

If they back out then she's not. But if she is, like I said, not gonna watch it. Mary Jane is a redhead and I will not compromise that.
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>>101652602

Looks like they did back down on it.

Pic related
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>>101650808
For my dick.
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>>101650808
Jannas need no justification.
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>>101650808

so the movie wasn't a sausage fest
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>>101652571
>>101652602
Didn't James Gunn fuss at fans for wanting a redhead Mary Jane?
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>>101652649

If Feige shot it down then it's shot down.
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>>101652643
could've added a white character
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>>101652659
She's not "Mary Jane" but he clearly says that the dynamic you're supposed to think about
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>>101652649
Yes god forbid gingers get some representation. I think Raimi's movies helped burn the image in the public eye that MJ is supposed to be a redhead, and moviefags who grew up with them still want her as such
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>>101652689
>But clearly that the dynamic you're supposed to think about
In what way? She's nothing like the character in any way, not really likable, and does add anything to what's happening in the narrative. She's just there to say her name is MJ, and no one gave a shit
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>>101652700
The hair color went with her personality
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>>101652649
source

>>101652734
she's the love interest
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I personally love QT brown MJ.
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>>101652747
No, Liz was in the movie, and that ended. "MJ" and Peter do not have any chemistry whatsoever, be it romantic or friendly. If they get together next movie, it's just plain shitty, lazy writing.
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>>101652734
He clearly states it there in that first block
Also there's no reason to call her MJ if she's isn't supposed to be a stand-in
Honestly I wouldn't mind a black Mary Jane if she was still Mary Jane but they sidestepped it for no good reason and gave us this shit character instead
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>>101652689

Right and that's the cop-out. They are backing down and admitting that's not Mary Jane, when they had originally intended it to be. If you pretend not to understand that then you're trolling.
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>>101652787
>Honestly I wouldn't mind a black Mary Jane if she was still Mary Jane
I would. As a redhead, I'm sick of redheads being erased from Hollywood.
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>>101652747
https://www.slashfilm.com/spider-man-homecoming-mary-jane-casting/
>For me, if a character’s primary attribute – the thing that makes them iconic – is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. For me, what makes MJ MJ is her alpha female playfulness, and if the actress captures that, then she’ll work. And, for the record, I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ’s primary physical characteristics – she’s a tall, thin model – much more so than actresses have in the past.

Also he calls everyone who didn't like it racist and shit
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>>101652623
There are good ways to pay homage and bad ways to pay homage. Giving a new character the nickname of an old, established, and beloved character is probably the latter.
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>MJ's last name is revealed as "Jones"
>They could've revealed that the J stood for "Jameson"
>Set up for black J. Jonah Jameson in this continuity possibly played by Terry Crews

A missed opportunity.
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>>101652759

She is very cute actually, I think she could be a love interest but I just can't accept her as Mary Jane.
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>>101652867

Because they weren't paying homage. Sony tried to pull some shit and Feige had to walk them back. Guarantee you this is what went down.

>>101652872

Calm down tumblr, it's a valid discussion to have.
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>>101652872
I'm triggered by her shit character not her skin color
Tbt I'd be on board if Peter keeps COLONIZING qt mutts
Just she's shit
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>>101650808
Consider these possibilities

>homecoming succeeds, people don't like her

This is our current timeline. They quickly backtracked on her being the real MJ

>homecoming succeeds, people like her

She is the new MJ

>homecoming fails, people don't like her

EVIL ONLINE RACIST MISOGYNISTS RUIN OUR GLORIOUS MOVIE WITH THEIR FROG MEMES

>homecoming fails, people like her

Not really sure how this timeline works.
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>>101652889
>no argument
>only name calling and derailing

>>101652910
suuuuuure
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>>101652325

>"I don't have time for your hate-facts!"
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>>101652933
She's a prick and very unpleasant to be around
Why are they making her the gf?
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Sony was the one that backed down. if Marvel was 100% in charge they wouldnt have changed it
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>>101652872
It's funny, I was just about to inquire about the lack of shills in this thread. I really was baffled.
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>>101652839
kek, what a dumbass
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>>101652868
They revealed her last name? Did she say her name was Michelle Jones?
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>>101652839
I think people just don't want to admit they shat on Dunst's MJ as well. The Raimi series did everything to portray her as this bigger-than-life woman with bigger aspirations than her partner, but all I remember is her dumb hat when Octopus kidnaps her.
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>>101652933

>no argument

You should read the thread, the problem with the physical appearance is that Mary Jane Watson has been a redheaded girl for 52 years, and it's stupid to change her appearance just to fit a racial quota.

Along with that, Mary Jane Watson as a character isn't supposed to be a weird nerd girl who sits in the corner. The entire dynamic of her character is that she pretends to be happy and parties hard when she is actually depressed because her father is abusive towards her.

But whatever, you don't wanna hear that you just wanna complain about how racist people are if they don't like this change. But that's okay anyway, thankfully Feige has pulled back on it and she's not Mary Jane.
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>>101653008
I can understand this to a point
But no one they'd be that okay changing and ethnic character white
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>>101652958
becuase the pussy nerd and the snarky girl always end up together.

y'know, kinda like and Pete and MJ in the comics.
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She was the coolest kid in the movie. I don't know what the fuck got up your asses about her exactly.
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>>101653055
To be fair, no movie has gotten that dynamic of superhero & civilian gf right
They all sorta end up that way
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>>101653161
Coolest kid in the movie? She was an unlikable cunt who just followed the cast around
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>>101653161
>the coolest kid is secretly in love with the dorkiest kid
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>>101650808

To annoy you.

Are you annoyed yet?

Because your annoyance amuses me.
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>>101653119
Mary Jane isn't nearly as abrasive
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>>101653161
characters like michelle only seem cool to bitter losers who think they are unique for reading a book
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>>101650808
Mandatory divershitty quota hire for (((Hollyweird))) propaganda
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>>101652452
Shit taste
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>Hearing M.J as in Michelle Jones
>Not mishearing M.G as in Michele Gonzales, Peter Parker's brief romantic liaison.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Michele_Gonzales_(Earth-616)
A missed opportunity to tie in some Spider-lore.
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>>101653233
t. illiterate child
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>>101653212
in reality you are not amused and probably depressed/useless
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>>101653282
oh wow, you called me a child. losers like michelle and people who like her need to understand that you can read books and be "cultured" without being annoying and actually contributing to the world.
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>>101653314
Also you're 40% white get on the elevator and see the Washington Monument
Gawd that scene made me so angry
What was the fucking point?
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>>101652567
Well they're Asian, Asians don't count towards diversity or slavery. Get with the times grandpa. Diversity only counts if it's black people. Like how Black Panther can be Marvels most diverse cast despite being like 90% black but Infinity War which had almost every MCU character to date, wasn't the most diverse.
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>>101650808
Make my dick hard. They succeed
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>>101653161
>coolest kid
She ate lunch alone, and she was on the decathlon/math team. She didn't even go swimming with them. She's was by no means the coolest kid.
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>>101653351
this faggot gets it
>libtard logic
>nigger worship
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>>101653082
>Mary Jane Watson has been a redheaded girl 52 years
>and it's stupid to change her appearance just to fit a racial quota
so you disregard my argument as "tumblr" while yours is incredibly shallow and only focuses on appearance?

>Along with that, Mary Jane Watson as a character isn't supposed to be a weird nerd girl who sits in the corner. The entire dynamic of her character is that she pretends to be happy and parties hard when she is actually depressed because her father is abusive towards her.
now that's an actual argument. y'see Pete an MJ didn't meet until he was attending Empire State University so what we know of her before meeting Peter is largely unknown and easily dismissable. I willing to bet any scriptwriter who read about MJ being unhappy in her youth would write her to be a sarcastic and rebellious teen in her high school years to mask her actual unhappy persona, also this adaptation of MJ takes inspiration from many other comics like in Ultimate where she really wasn't that much of a party girl and went on to become a journalist, which is why the weird nerd girl role could be a set-up for that eventual endgame.

what should really be important to her character and to anyone is that MJ ends up with Peter. the color of her skin and hair doesn't matter, it that wasn't the case then why aren't you also mad at Tom Holland for being british and playing a knickerbocker?
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>>101653410

>Appearance doesn't matter

You are tumblr shit so get outta here faggot.
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>>101652867
Oh fuck off, you'd have an anal leakage if her name was literally Mary Jane and would still fucking complain about an OC "diverse" love interest if she didn't have MJ initials.
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>>101653410
lmao you call his argument incredibly shallow while your only definition of MJ as a character is being in a relationship with Peter. Go back to tumblr.
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>>101650808
>We're never going to see Peter with symbiote being a dick to Michelle
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I have never read spider-man before.
What is MJ's character like? How does she usually act?
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>>101652565
He means the Civil War 2, apparently Peter was suppose to die and let Miles be the new current Spider-man, but they told him to fuck off
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>>101653472
Popular girl in school that hid her shitty home life with wit and flirting? Probably one of her best character moments was sticking by Peter right after Gwen died.
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>>101653454
what does the world at large know about MJ other than being Pete's main squeeze?
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>>101653410
Redhead is a personality type too
Michelle has neither

Also her sarcasm and rebellion comes off as unpleasant
Like completely the opposite of what Mary Jane is supposed to be
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>>101653507
She's the hot red-headed neighbor girl that Peter crushes on and has aspirations of making it big in Broadway but has trouble with her home life and asserting herself?
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>>101653495
we never saw MJ in school.
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>>101653507
Basically what you can tell from this image
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>>101653507
so you are admitting that you dont care about having consistency and good writing but instead care about public view.
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>>101653460
"being a," not "giving the"?
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>>101653495
Raimi did MJ perfect in that regard
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>>101653495
When did gwen die?
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>>101653472

Pic related
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>>101653540
raimis movies are pure kino
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>>101653532
Didn't we have that one panel of her doing cartwheels to hide her inner pain at college or some shit?
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>>101653472

Also this
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>>101653528
>Raimifag
go away /tv/

>>101653536
do you really think only the comicbook fans watch superhero movies? all of them are tailor made for casual viewers with only pop culture knowledge of capes while stroking the fandom's cock with little lines like "I heard you talk to fish"
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>>101653542
When Spidey web broke her back as she was falling. Just like in Amazing Spiderman 2.
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>>101650808
Which was worse?

>My friends call me MJ.
>Why don't you use your real name, Robin?
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>tfw Karen will never be infected with some kind of alien computer virus
>tfw we'll never see her grow more and more protective/obsessive about Peter
>tfw Karen will never force Peter into instant kill mode during a fight
>tfw Karen will never take over Peter to finish off a defeated villian
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>>101653410
>what should really be important to her character and to anyone is that MJ ends up with Peter
This is how I feel about Mary Jane. You don't get to steal that by having the initials MJ. Otherwise Peter could end up gay married to Michael Jordan and we'd all have to accept him as MJ.
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>>101653693
Oh god
That's tough

I'm gonna go with Robin because that's a gay ass real name
Also I can see her call herself MJ after Michael Jordan
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>>101653632

Yeah except in the case of the comic it was a lot more emotional. Sadly ASM2 was shit so the impact of her death ultimately meant nothing. Which is a shame because we need to see a good movie where Spider-Man is actually showing a serious tone.

Nothing is cooler than a Spidey who stops joking and takes shit seriously.
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>>101650808
>What was the point
this isn't your autism support group anon
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>>101653726
I want to say Robin is worse because they didn't even use Dick Grayson, because "viewers wouldn't get it". They instead turned Robin into the actual name.

At least the MJ reveal was just MJ.
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>>101653728
Unrelated note, since your pic reminded me; why the fuck is Amazing Spider-Man omnibus vol 2 so fucking hard to find/expensive? Print more assholes
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>>101650808
Liberal marvel agenda
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No idea. She was unbearable for the entire movie, and her reveal was just cringe worthy. You would have to be the type of person who likes sassy black women in training who lacks any wit and makes up for it by being a massive cunt. I guess you can give credit for making a realistic depiction of a high school intellectual punching above her weight, but I get the feeling that she was supposed to be endearing rather than an annoying punk.
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>>101650808
IT'S ANOTHER /TV/ THREAD, EVERYBODY
JUST KEEP MOVING
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>>101653776
>>>/pol/
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>>101653750
Both were pretty hamfisted

Although I'm pretty sure Nolan didn't give a shit at that point
Feige's gonna to continue to push this
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>>101653767
Yeah
She wouldn't have been that bad if they weren't also trying to push them together
She might make a decent friend of Peter's but as a primary love interest and thus important character she's pretty awful
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>>101653621
why are you bringing up comic book fans? you are basically admitting that youre fine with having poorly written characters in movies because casual viewers are still going to see it.

the fact of the matter is that michelle as a character is poorly written and wasnt even that popular to viewers, yet you for some reason are okay with it. go back to tumblr.
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The character would have received more acceptance from me if they'd have found a source from the comics not a made for film the writers pulled out their asses.
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>>101650995
I had wondered if they wanted to see how it'd do, but also leave a cop out option for themselves as well
>>101651555
This is what I was saying when the leaks saying she was called MJ came out
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>>101650808
Complete token. So much so her initials are MJ so they can easily name her something else if they actually wanted to introduce the real Mary Jane.
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>>101653894
Eh
Nearly every character has a radical change from comic to screen
These movies don't have to be the same as the comics
Just if they're gonna change then change it for the better
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>>101650808
DAS RITE EVERYTHING IS RACISS
CHECKMATE WHITEY
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>>101653537
>Black suit Peter spot Michelle in the hallway run to her and spank her
>Michelle give a little moans and call him massa
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>>101653933
What does any of that have to do with inventing a character out of thin air? There is no Michelle Jones in Spider-Man.
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>>101653976
there is no ned in comics
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>>101653976
Feige can spew bullshit all he wants
She was supposed to be Mary Jane all along
I'm pretty sure they changed her name because Mary Jane means weed and that gave them a possible cop-out they didn't intend
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>>101654005
yeah because they are so afraid of weed in hollywood, los angeles, california
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>>101654005
>Mary Jane means weed
I doubt that is the reason
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>>101654005
>Mary Jane means weed
Are you 50?
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>>101654049
>>101654050
All of these were made in Georgia
Plus good enough for a Marvel movie
Also there's this quote
>Carroll said that Ned and other characters in the film are composites of several of their favorites from Spider-Man comics
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To build for the next movie
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>>101654100
Right because people were really demanding more from Michelle
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>>101654001
Rather than be his shy, introverted self. They inserted a sidekick to make Peter more 'relatable'.
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>>101653693

Both are equally terrible.
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>>101654122
You don't need to be popular to be in the next movie.
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>>101654189
Eh
It was nice to see Peter have a decent person to bounce off of
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>>101654222
He came off as a typical American teenager going through puberty, OG Peter from the comics had quirks and was unique.
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>>101651866
And that's a good thing. Unironically.
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>>101654005

>She was supposed to be Mary Jane all along

Right but Feige fixes up a lot of bullshit, remember when they had to make Sony agree to keep Peter as a white straight male?

No shit Feige is covering this up and trying to pretend it never happened.
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>>101654301
How is alienating a significant proportion of the fan based a good thing?
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>>101654315
They shouldn't be alienated otherwise they bigoted manchildren
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>>101654328

Troll harder faggot
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>>101654328
You've just advocated for 'anti white propaganda' you've got some nerve calling anyone bigoted.
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>>101650808
Her whole purpose is to be turned into a cuckquean by the redhead Mary Jane in a future movie.
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>>101654290
They did that with the other two
But Maguire came off as a crybaby
And Garfield was a dick
I think Peter works better this way honestly
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>>101654381
Do you think they can go full Archie?
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>>101654404
>I think Peter works better this way honestly
He came off as 'okay' I wouldn't laud him as the definitive Peter by any stretch of the imagination.
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>>101654424
He's not exactly the same Peter from the comics but he doesn't have to be
The MCU kicked off with Tony Stark being real different from the comics and it worked out fine
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>>101653693
Robin was awful especially since Bruce gives up Batman to fuck Selina.
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>>101654424

Because he's a British guy who doesn't care about Peter Parker enough, at least not yet. He is quoted word for word saying he was trying to act like Marty McFly during the whole film.

Maybe he'll get dedicated to the character and realize he needs to be Peter.
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>>101654474
The Dark Knight movies were great (well, mainly the first two), and Bale's a good actor, but Bale's Batman is legitimately one of the worst Batman incarnations
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Can Peter get a decent Asian waifu instead?
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>>101654498
4u
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>>101652121
Get used to it. We have the same ratio of gays and the rest of the LGBTQA alphabet combined, but they keep showing up EVERYWHERE in media.
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>>101654537
>Filipino/Vietnamese mutt
>decent
I actually really like her facial features.
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>>101654477
>Because he's a British guy who doesn't care about Peter Parker enough, at least not yet.
Wait, is this true?
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>>101654453
>>101654477
Like I say he came off as ok, perhaps he will add more dimension to the character in time, I doubt it though I think we'll get more of the same in the next outing.
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>>101654574

Sadly yes. Hopefully he realizes there is actual depth to his character and starts asking for that to be explored.

Until then he's Marty McParker

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/05/30/spider-man-homecoming-marty-mcfly/
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>>101650808
To prove that no matter how ugly you are, you can pretend to be hot, as long as you're not fat. And that's just how Mohammad would have wanted it.
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>>101654573
I believe she's fully Chinese
Even though her character is supposed to be Korean but you know who cares
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I don't know why they didn't make her into MCU White Tiger
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>>101650808
Because black people trigger people so this would result in Free advirtisement especially from the types of this board who get mad Everytime they see a black person in a movie
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>>101654615
Has he read any of the comics before?
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>>101654361
>This fictional character in this movie isn't white it's anti white
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>>101654733

He's a Brit anon, they don't really read comics like we do, and they don't know how New Yorkers act either.
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>>101654733

That being said he's still a decent Spiderman, I think if he gets dedicated to the character and starts devouring material then he'll start to get devoted.

It's like with Chris Evans and Captain America, you could tell he wasn't dedicated at first, but as time has gone by he's really devoted to playing the character right.
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>>101650808
Great as long as it can trigger Pol I don't care
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>>101654779
Yes that's what was claimed and also endorsed, was that you?
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>>101654814
>but as time has gone by he's really devoted to playing the character right.
I don't read cap, can you explain more?
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>>101650808
some sjw and diversity reasons. Disney owns it so if there is money to be made off of sjw and diversity they'll, not only pander to these people, but reinforce these ideals so they can keep making money
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>>101654837

Captain America is basically the American dream incarnated, and this was really emphasized in the Civil War comics when he fought against the U.S. Government when they tried to unmask and regulate Superheroes.

Cap is a World War 2 veteran with conservative values from the 1940s who has been fast-forwarded in time, so he really clashes with modern day, and that really adds an interesting dynamic.

Pic related
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>>101651635
She can still have the nick name
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>>101653119
Uh..Which Mary Jane are you talking about? We're talking about the one that Spider-man loves.
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>>101653430
I meant the issue was more what ended up happening, which is people thought she was supposed to be that character.
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>>101654919
>conservative values
Conservatives love government overreach in the interests of security. They just get scared when those tools fall into Liberal hands. Did you forget the Patriot Act so quickly?
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>>101652636
BASED JANNAFAG
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>>101654794
how do new yorkers act in the marvel universe?
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>>101655020
Literal scum.
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>>101655003

Cap takes the libertarian stance in the Civil War comics since they had some subtle parallels with the Patriot Act, while Iron Man took the side of having more government oversight and regulation
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To make "Racists" mad.

And by that, I mean to alienate anyone sane.
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>>101653291

In reality you have no fucking clue about me.
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>>101650821
Was going to post this.
These movie studios know that if they get nerds angry they'll throw fits that draw attention to their films.
It's a form of free advertising because controversy = cash as long as you don't go full retard like Sony did with the Ghostbusters thing.
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>>101655020

Depends on what part of New York. In bad neighborhoods like the Bronx, things can be pretty shit.

Some of the bad parts of New York are where Spidey will often patrol to make sure there's no crime happening(in the comics anyway). Also, in the city culture of New York, Spidey doesn't know how to drive.

This is because New Yorkers take cabs and ride the subway or the bus. Driving and parking a car just isn't worth it for a lot of residents. Tom Holland hasn't really immersed himself in New York culture, but that's probably the first thing he should do.
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>>101655140
>Tom Holland hasn't really immersed himself in New York culture, but that's probably the first thing he should do.
Does anyone have scans of the comic where Spider-Man leaves the Five Burroughs and is totally messed up by car culture and lack of tall buildings? He gets chased by a Doberman and ends up sitting sadly giving a statement to a cop.
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She's fine but they shouldn't have bothered calling her MJ when even Feige says that she isn't meant to be the comic character at all. It just causes people to compare her to the comics version and complain about black MJ or that the racists got btfo or whatever dumb shit.
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If she was Michelle Gonzales that'd would've been neat.
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I enjoyed her and thought she and the rest of the supporting cast was pretty good
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>>101653693
MJ because she made no attempt to even make friends so her line makes no fucking sense.
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>>101650808
She was cute!
Usually /co/ likes antisocial girls.
Before the movie came out (and any time a white character gets changed to a minority) people were saying "Why don't they just make a new character instead?"
Well they pretty much did.
Her name isn't Mary Jane Watson. She doesn't act the same or fall in love with Peter.
She is a totally new character and should be judged independently of "reeeee not muh MJ!"
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>>101650808
She's black but she's not
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>>101655318

She is cute, I really do wish they had introduced her as a potential love interest and not trying to be Mary Jane. It just makes things awkward for everyone, including her.
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>>101655318
>Why don't they just make a new character instead?
Except no one was saying this. People were saying golly gosh gee wouldn't it be great if Mary Jane Watson was in this.
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>>101655046
Cap's always been a libertarian, but I struggle to see his conservative beliefs. He certainly doesn't seem socially conservative on issues of race, gender, or sexuality.
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>>101655429

He's about as conservative as your average Christian WW2 Vet from the 1940s anon.
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>>101655003
21st century conservatives do. "Conservative" meant something very different in 1944.
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>>101650808
The (((powers))) that be wants nerdy white boys to go for black jungle pussy. It's the nail in the coffin for the white race.
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>>101655462
That makes sense.
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>>101655461
Not that we've seen. There were plenty of Christian WWII Vets from the 1940s that were much less amicable to the ideas of political gender equality and integration than Cap is. What are his conservative beliefs? I'm actually genuinely interested, because I know he's spoken out in favor of a safety net and at least certain welfare services before.
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>>101655318
She's pretty much Teenage Michelle Gonzales. She was his roommate and they fucked on Aunt May's wedding night in the comics.
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>>101655595

Generally Cap hasn't made blatant political commentary about much until recently
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>>101652325
It's sad that bringing facts to an observation is seen as 'autistic' if they don't agree with you.
You really need to accept reality at some point or at least come up with something better than "muh autism".

Also, (OUTRAGE!) for you.
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>>101655695
Punching Hitler isn't political commentary?
Confronting President Nixon as the leader of the Secret Empire isn't political commentary?
Disparaging the US' actions in South America and Latveria isn't political commentary?
Claiming that while Neo-Nazis are shitbirds, they still have a right to peacefully and lawfully assemble and that assaulting them only makes matters worse, is not political commentary?
Anon, have you READ Captain America?
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I pray every day Felicia keeps staying a literally who and that she won't get blackwashed.
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>>101656572
Haven't you heard my friend? It's only political commentary when it's something you don't agree with.
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>>101654695
Asian people care. They can tell the difference and their intolerance for other asian races would make a klan member blush.
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>>101650808
Metoo movement BLM liberal agenda
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>>101655695
>a character called Captain AMERICA wasnt political commentary
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>>101653721
You sound really possesive about this
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>>101658414
Did anyone complain about Mantis's casting?
She's supposed to be half Vietnamese but the actress portraying her is half Korean
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>>101658414
We Chinese love our inferior neighbors. Except Japs. Fuck those guys.
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>>101654404
That's the whole fucking point. He isn't supposed to be "relatable" for the fuckers posting memes on social media.

It wasn't a terrible movie, but it's a massive turd on the character's history. Holland is the worst Peter Parker simply because he doesn't portray Peter Parker. He portrays white-quirky-kid#5258.

Peter was kind of a jerk back then. He wasn't that much of a pushover or an embarrassing autist. He was just a lonely meek kid.
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>>101650808
quirky rebellious girl that didn't do much in the first movie but that they're setting up as a future love interest by dropping that she has a nickname hearkening back to spidey's most famous love interest
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>>101655318
I thought /co/ thought she was a bit sanctimonious with that 'built by slaves' scene. Also, were her initials not MJ or something? I can barely remember now. If her initials were MJ, then you can already understand on what basis her character was conceived in.
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>>101650808
to spread lies about the Washington Monument
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>>101661700
it wasn't built by slaves?
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>>101652452
I'm late but you're a man of taste
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>>101662172
only 20% of it was completed before the civil war halted construction for a long time
DC was an abolitionist state prior to the war
upper class Craftsmen and engineers wanted the prestige of building a national monument

fuck no slaves didn't build it
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>>101650808

The hamfisted way they handled the last-minute "my friends call me MJ" review felt very much like a Sony move. I guess there were enough Sony fingerprints on the movie that Marvel just couldn't wash off all the stains.

Have the courage of your convictions. You wanted to blackwash Spidey's iconic ginger. If you're going to do it, DO IT.
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>>101663117
This is wrong. Slaves were used to make the concrete for it. Which is why the security guard gives a “kinda” gesture when the teacher asks him about it.

Lol white people and their white guilt.
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Wew lad, white people sure didn’t like that Washington Monument scene. It’s gotten to the point where whites get more offended over slavery than black people.
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>>101663117

their waffle point is that the stone used in the monument, some of it might have been mined by slave labor. Might. The records from the quarries aren't entirely clear.

The monument was carved out of those rocks and assembled by free men.

If you're willing to go back far enough, everything on the planet has some Six Degrees of Slavery connections. That doesn't mean that the Pope is Kevin Bacon.
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>>101664640
The absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

>”Considering that the beginning of construction for the Washington Monument started before the beginning of the Civil War, that Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia allowed slavery, and that the city had a tradition of using stone from quarries that used enslaved workers, it would be more surprising if no slaves was used in the construction of the Washington Monument.”
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>>101650808
>brown instead of pale
at least they got that right
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>>101664587
>concrete
It's marble you dumbass
Now were there slaves who helped cut the marble? It's not known
Possibly
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>>101664617
It points out her sanctimonus behavior
Same reason I hate vegetarians
Especially vegans
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>>101650808
What was the point of Peter being Miles in this movie? Fat asian manchild friend and a prestigious high school? How come Homecoming Peter likes black girls more than Miles likes black girls? Are black guys being fed the miscegenation meme too?
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>>101665615
>How come Homecoming Peter likes black girls more than Miles likes black girls?
It's pretty much standard procedure for any teenage white boy to have a mixed gf
Look at both of the current Barry Allens
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>>101665615
Wait, is that not what a public school looks like? How is it prestigious?
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>>101665615
>Fat asian manchild

You mean a nerd? I don't think liking logos is a manchild thing.
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>>101650808
She had the same 'point' as any minor character in any movie.
You fags have the most autistic shitfits over nothing.
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>>101650808
to be Miles' love interest.
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>>101665615
>high school kid
>"manchild"
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>>101666233
Nobody on this site knows what "manchild" means anymore. It's about as diluted as saying "cuck".
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why are they pushing zendeya, especially as MJ?
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>>101666298
what do you mean "pushing" her?
you mean casting her in the movie?
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>>101666334
casting her as the lead
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>>101666348
I guess because her character will have more involvement in the next movie.
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>>101666348
You and I watched different movies if you thought she was the lead.
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>>101666298
She's one of Harvey's girls so some of his favors are still grandfathered in.
Her presence will evaporate soon.
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>>101650808
I thought she was a fine side character and was pretty entertaining, what's the problem?
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>>101666425
MJ fans are the biggest whiners in comic history.
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>>101666425
she's a cunt
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>>101666522
>>>/r9k/
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>>101654001
Nes leeds
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>>101650808
Why not discuss the real problem of changing Flash Tomson?
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>>101652452
are you capable of noticing a female's character traits without needing to address your boner first?


this is why all mary janes and gwen stacys suck
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>>101666638
Nice argument
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I hope they get one of the older Spider-Men to play Uncle Ben in a flashback.
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>>101650871
>I doubt she'll even come back. Weird bit is that both Marvel Comics and other Marvel Spider-Man related media is back on the pro Mary Jane train

It's not weird at all.
It's been ten years since One More Day, and both fans as well as a number of industry professionals still state their dislike to outright hatred for that storyline and what it did to Spider-Man.
Only Brevoort and Slott liked that shit story. It wouldn't surprise me if that's why Slott got the job.

Amazing Spider-Man sales have never recovered from One More Day. They get little boosts here and there, primarily during Slott's yearly "This issue will change the way you look at Spider-Man forever" issue that never accomplished anything.
Marvel jumping on the pro-Mary Jane bandwagon again is Quesada and Brevoort realizing that their personal fee-fees on a married Spider-Man have been costing Marvel hundreds of thousands of dollars over the last decade, and how they feel about something is NEVER as important as their flagship book that has historically sold more than any other book continuing to be their top non-event seller consistently every month.
At least, I hope that's what it means.

The Raimi movies sealed it in the eyes of the general public: Peter Parker grows up to be with his soul mate, Mary Jane Watson. It's a sentiment that has stayed strong in the decade since One More Day, no matter how much they try to bury it, no matter how they try to make Mary Jane look bad, or how much they try to shove Peter with anyone else. It's as status quo as Lois Lane and Superman (That DC is about to realize, again, when Bendis kills it, again, and fans express their extreme hatred for it. AGAIN.). A few higher ups are just too stupid to realize it.
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>>101652452

She would have been a better Felicia. She's got the face for it, and we know that she's capable of losing weight and getting in shape for a role.
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>>101652213
I thought Cloak and Dagger were just a partner dynamic, are they romantically involved in the comics or...?
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>>101650808
Signaling to young viewers
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>>101669747
I think so but they've already announced that this they'll end up together
>When announcing the series, Freeform called it their "first venture into the Marvel Cinematic Universe", and described it as a "superhero love story"
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>>101652649
>James Gunn
i like how he bitches about this kinda shit when zoe saldana tweeted about her 'putting her faith in trump'
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>>101669799
You know Cloak and Dagger could have been adapted to the screen in a very sweet way but everything I've seen of it just looks like average dogshit that I am saddened.
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>>101669845
It's just not for our demographic
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I think they were using MJ to try and distract from the fact that Flash Thompson - the alpha chaddiest fucking chad in existence - is played by a fucking indian kid shorter then Peter. Everyone I know thinks Flash in the MCU is retarded. How the fuck are you bullying a kid that you're on the fucking mathletes with? You're as much of a nerd as he is, and you're less attractive then him.
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>>101669890
not to mention less ripped and less intelligent
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>>101669890
I think he's more in line with modern day bullies
But you're right
For example no way he can be Agent Venom
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I don't know why the sequel reportedly opens with a shot of her looking over her shoulder, winking at Peter, as it pans out to reveal she's on all fours, also winking her asshole at him as a sign that she wants him to pound her with his radioactive big white cock.

Some of the decisions are just odd
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>>101653430
Because her attitude and actions are nothing like Mary Jane. Her initials are the only thing linking the two characters, and at that point she's interesting enough to not have to rely on a crutch.
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>>101669832
James Gunn is a moron
He's a guy in charge of a multi-million dollar franchise
Why does he get into internet fights?
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>>101671487
to inflate his ego
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>>101669986
The whole MCU is just propaganda for white men to abandon non-white women anyways




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