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Are you ready for Car-Ell, daughter of Mari-Ell?
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Finally! Feels like a huge wait since #3.
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>>103507703
god this is terrible
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Kaare Andrews variant! I'm just going to get Bartel's though.
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>>103507718
I was all on board for this retcon last month and then it came to a screeching halt with "Car-Ell."
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How long until they retcon all this shit? I mean... come on!!!

>>103507703
Oh look... the leader of the Kree is a woman too.
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>>103508103
when the movie comes out of course, but this is bad even for stohl
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>>103508117
>Stohl

That explains everything, she must be angry that her two volumes went unnoticed and will no longer write to the character... I feel bad for Kelly, I hope she ignore all this shit.
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>>103508117
It's for the movie, Mar-Vell is (probably) her mother in the MCU. But apparently Stohl is unconcerned that there are other super-Els around comics.
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>>103507703
So when did the Kree have an Empress?

They had the Supreme Intelligence instead
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>>103508343
I guess she is the avatar for it or something.
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>>103508343
Wasn't there time where they didn't have the supreme intelligence? the last one was like the third or something.
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>>103508401
I'm pretty sure that it's been around for thousands of years, not a few decades
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Schiti is working on a Carol cover! Probably for Ms. Marvel.
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>>103508458
Guess it's just the envoy's title, and that's why it's the Intelligence Empress.
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well now carol is more half of an racist alien empire than before and this is ...good?
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>>103508768
It sure is, Skrull scum.
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>>103507666
>Car-Ell, daughter of Mari-Ell

Are they making her directly related to Marv now?

Also, what a bunch of horseshit. So much for Shogun-sama stopping bullshit synergy like this.
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>>103508828
Marv is an Vell. Carol is an Ell. we'll see if that just means their distant cousins or something.
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What is the point of this retcon?
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>>103507666
Wtf? Billy is a chick now?
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>>103507718
Animosity with evil blue redheads runs in the family.
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>>103508876
So her powers aren't tied to a man >>103508876
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>>103509001
watch the movie have her powers come from mar-vell
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>>103507718
Carol ass is not big enough in this panel
this is another retcon?
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>>103509038
I find it funny that Aquaman gets his powers from his mom and the trailers say so
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>>103508852
So, she fucked her cousin before fucking her son?
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>>103509116
well his momma was a fish and his daddy was a sailor, so I don't see where the issue is here
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>Distance female character from freak accident origin to make her more empowering
>Retcon her into a shameless Superman clone
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>>103508032
>short hair looks like a man
>long hair looks like a tranny

Some artists should never be allowed to draw women.
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>>103507718
>Car-Ell
So now marvel doesn't only want her to be their wonder woman but also their superman?
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>>103507718
I don't know if I should laugh, facepalm, or both? Doo if Carol is half Kerr does that mean that she has that crazy psychic vampire succubus shit that kree females have to get a brain circumcision for?
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>>103509189
Marcus wasn't her son, he just used her to birth himself outside of the limbo prison his father, Immortus, had stranded him in.
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>>103507718
>Car-Ell
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>>103510222
No, her mother believes in stopping other women from messing up with men's headsand brain-circumcised her

(it also might be a thing only of Blue krees)
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The Kree name is silly as hell but other than that it's a fine retcon. Though they have to explain her connection with Mar-Vell after this new "revelation."
Why am I fine with this? It opens the doors to new stories that person exclusively to her, new villains/rogues, a tighter connection with cosmic and the Kree, and of course, a closer relationship with the Vells, who are all dead in 616 apparently.
So yeah. No bitterness here. Much prefer this than one more year of "hurr Carol is boring she's a shit character nothing of her stands out just shelve her."
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>>103507718

Welp. Too bad. I didn't actively dislike this series.

But I guess everything has to go.
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>>103508103

I thought she was just the head of the intelligence.

In any case, the leader of the Kree is the Supreme Intelligence, who has no gender.

>>103508117
>this is bad even for stohl

"The "Life of Captain Marvel" #1 will not be a complete reinvention of Danvers and her past, but a "retelling," Stohl said.

Lying whore.
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>>103507718
>Car-Ell

oofed and yikespilled
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>>103508343

"Intelligence empress".

Wait. No. Does that fucking literally say "Her intelligence, empress Pam'a"??

Jesus. This is... wow. This is beyond the pale. This isn't just replacing characters now, this is completely rewriting history.

>>103508876

More empowerment for women!
Before, Carol was just an oppressed woman, marginal at best, constantly overshadowed by male characters.

>>103510222

I read about that, but I couldn't find the source.

>>103511476
>Why am I fine with this?

A brain tumor?

Sorry, I am pretty upset.
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The only thing that can salvage this at this point is if it turns out all of this is bullshit, her mother is dead and this is a Skrull infiltrator.
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>>103507718
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>>103511653
well, maybe Mari-ell comes from the time before the Supreme Intelligence... which should be some thousands of years ago
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>>103511653
>Sorry, I am pretty upset.
Maybe wait until the whole thing is out before getting upset about it?
Trust me I care a lot about continuity and it's why I allowed to care about the mother being a secret Kree given some clues from her first run. That is fine by me. But obviously not the most overt stuff in that page that relates to Kree hierarchy, though my point isn't to accept this blindly by to use it as an opportunity to give her new rogues and shit.
I doubt she'd be allowed to rewrite history with a mini, same reason why I know Cates' bullshit with the Inhumans will be summarily ignored after his mini. Just take the good parts from it and ignore the rest.
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>>103511624
This comic sucks but cmon guys. Capeshit does it all the time.
Remember J'onn J'onzz is basically John Jones? OR M'gann M'orz is Megan Morse? Hell Mar-vell is basically Marvel too. So I don't see how this is the issue.
The bigger issue should be the half kree retcon. Fuck that noise. She's like fucking discount Aquaman, Hal Jordan and Wonder Woman all rolled into one.
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>>103511706

More like hundreds of thousands. The Supreme Intelligence was created about 350 years after the Kree stole their tech from the Skrulls.

Maybe she was more like a consul. The Supremor is the ultimate authority, but she does the day-to-day business.
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Carol being a Kree I can live with.
Silly names I can live with.
Intelligence Empress is stupid, when the leaders of the Kree are the Supreme Intelligence, Ronan, Black Bolt and back to SI.

I’ll just pretend she’s the head of their CIA.
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>>103507809
Oh shit its Hilary.
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>>103507809
Damn Kaare what happened, the Death of the Inhumans variants were good.
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Okay.

When will we get the first inverse version of this female retcon business? Some guy retcons a female hero's origin so she actually gets her powers from a male?
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>>103507689

ITS MY TURN!!

Wow this is bad.
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>>103507718
This is stupid every retcon that make character Specials take away from the original appeal of a normal human getting extraordinary powers.
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They're getting closer, now she's the Donna Troy of Marvel.
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>>103507666
>people in this thread actually implying this retcons out the Supreme Intelligence
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>>103509919
I don't understand why Marvel never hired Aaron Lopresti to draw Captain Marvel
He is one of the few artists who still know how to draw women
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>>103512247

What Kree ever called him- or herself 'emperor' or 'empress'?

..Well, Ael-Dan and Dar-Benn did, but the Supremor soon despatched them and absorbed them into its consciousness.
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>>103512306
You answered your own question.
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>>103511330
Sounds like a bait from Marvel
Made to "break the internet"
and failed miserably because no one cares about Captain Marvel
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>>103512306
He did draw her, in Reed's series. Also stop shitting up every Carol thread.
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>>103511737
i think it's the fact they went with 'Ell' as the alien sur-name feels WAAAAAY too on the fucking nose. I mean sure it would probably be goofy if she was Car-Oll, but it would seem less blatant
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>>103512329
i don't get it
They don't want to sell comics?
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>>103507809

Is she staring at her ass?
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>>103512346
asking a great artist to draw Captain Marvel

In this woman "head"
>shitting up every Carol thread.

you need a big dick woman, seriously
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>>103511824
Wonder Woman maybe. Since she has switched from clay statue, to being Zeus daughter. Then back to clay statue, and through some other bullshit.
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>>103512314
None of the changes in the Kree hierarchy stuck with time. Remember when alt Reed Richards went suddenly Supremor?
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>>103507718
I hate this. I HATE this.
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>>103507666
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>>103507718
>>103507732
YAAS QUEEN SLAY
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>>103512433
No that was still the original supreme intelligence. They had like some seed with his genetic history and Ronan needed the two alt reeds to resurrect the intelligence. The Reeds didn't turn into a new intelligence instead they were just ingredients to resurrect the original deal.
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>>103512573
What I meant is, no matter how things shift, the Supreme Intelligence always comes back
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>>103512613

I wouldn't be surprised if they retcon it into him arranging schemes like that from time to time to throw off would-be usurpers and turn them against each other while he calmly keeps pulling the strings from behind the curtains.
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>>103512247
Yeah, this is the stupidest part of the overreaction. At worst is just some poorly researched attempt at explaining that hierarchy in a flashback of all places, not a real thing that is meant to replace the Supremor (which would be dumb). I'd expect people here to just roll with it and understand the intention instead of sperging out, but then again it's /co/.
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>>103511768
Yeah, I honestly interpreted it as her being a representant for Supremor

Also, IIRC Supremor did became de-facto and then de-jure ruler of the Kree only much time AFTER his creation, as he started as "simple" enough but over time absorbed more and more Kree top intelligences

>>103512433
this reminds me I hate everybody forgets the Kree uniforms differ depending on the grade.


>>103512573
it was a older backup, though.
I always thought they would end up fusing him with Wraith, restoring it completely

>>103512879
that would be 100% Supreme Intelligence
Hell, maybe he put Pam'a on the throne so he could take it "justly" later
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>>103507666

>Car-Ell
>Kal-el
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>>103507718
>Hello Carr-El, I'm Kal-El (no relation) and I need you to stop stealing my shit.
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>>103513505
Aw man, not again.
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>>103507666
Honestly this would all be pretty great if you just spilled some whiteout on the name reveal.
Stohl found that pun in Generations and nobody at editorial told her it was a cute shoutout as a fake name and a terrible idea for her actual one.
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>>103513596
The fact it Retcons the fucking Kree hard and makes her a super special Superman Expy is the problem.

Carol getting her powers through a genetic quirk between Kree and Humans was the best part of her backstory.

It's honestly trying to find a way to remove Captain Marvel from her backstory, because heaven forbid Mar-Vell exist.
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>>103512952
We get the intention. It's just dumb as fuck and shows a lack of research or care for continuity
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>>103507718
This is absolutely awful, makes no sense and I'm never considering it canon.
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>>103507703
Who the fuck is this? A Supremor stand-in?
Also why Pam'a when Pama is legitimately a different thing in Kree lore?
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If Carol's mom is such a badass space fighter, why does she let her husband beat on her children?
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>>103513725
Maybe he was a Super-Skrull?
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>>103513725
By Kree standards he was probably a big softy coddling them that much
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>>103507666
so that means that Carol is a real half-Kree and not just a half-Kree through Mar-Vell's DNA?
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>>103513725
The mini isn't over, I'm sure there's an explanation for that.
>>103513871
Yes. But again it's not over so they still need to explain where her powers come from and how Mar-Vell figures in all this. Making her a full half-Kree from the start makes more sense than some generic infusion anyway, like it or not. They just have to make sense of her connection with the guy in first place.
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>>103513871
The Psyche Magnitron probably made her "like" Mar-Vell while he was enhanced by the Nega Bands, normal Kree can't fly or absorb and disperse energy blasts.
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>>103514230
Then how was Mari-Ell flying when Carol and her brothers saw her kissing their dad?
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Doesnt matter if you dont like it, doesnt even matter if it sells, it's what Marvel/Disney is pushing.
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>>103507718
oh fuck off
in every possible way, fuck off
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>>103514398
Bad writing and doesn't read any previous comics.
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>>103514398
or, you know, Kree technology
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>>103513156

>Have Skrulls as your shapeshifting villains
>Pick one of exactly two named Skrulls that can't shapeshift as their leader

Seriously. Talos the Untamed. His entire claim to fame is that he can't change his shape.

Paibok. Morrat. Zabyk. Raksor. Even K'Lrt for pete's sake. But no, let's call him Talos.
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>>103517186
Brie is a big Elder Scrolls nerd, and they can't use Klrt, so.
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>>103507689
I really hate that it's just a one-hitter quitter instead of really demonstrating the severity of violence that is war.
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>>103517748
so call him fucking Shezzar or Wulfharth or Lorkhan
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>>103511653
It's in PAD's captain marvel (The son) run if I remember the details properly.
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>>103518195

I just read it. Interesting.
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>>103511653
Yon-Rogg’s daughter, Una had it in PAD’s Captain Marvel run.
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Lol xd
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>>103512421
She's Zeus's kid.
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What the fuck is even going on anymore?
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>>103520274

Talentless writers shitting on continuity to tell 'stories' that nobody will read more than once.
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Okay anons, Kelly Thompson teased a new love interest and that they're not a new character. Who do you got and how long until their painful death, like all of Carol's love interests?
>James Rhodes – Even
>Frank Gianelli – 3/1
>Jessica Drew – 6/1
>Abigail Brand – 10/1
>Louis Lee – 10/1
>Jennifer Takeda – 30/1
>Tony Stark – 50/1
>Eugene Judd – 50/1
>Salia Petrie – 100/1
>Peter Parker – 500/1
>Raven Darkhölme – 5000/1
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>>103521124
Never tell me the odds.
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>>103521911
This
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>Car-Ell Manvers
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> this character we never cared about and constantly mocked is being changed, and we're mad about it
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>>103511737
Anon, it's not the naming convention, which is fine, it's that this could be used to completely retcon Mar-Vell out of continuity. They clearly want to remove the idea that her powers are derived from a male because that doesn't comport with modern feminist empowerment narratives. Of course that's what they would do for the movie and I'm afraid this book is solely an effort to synergize and streamline the property.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but has Mar been mentioned at all in this book? How many issues are left?
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>>103523089
Hah, this exactly. I actually do care about her and I don't mind this a bit, but obviously those who are the most vocal about it are the same ones who make fun of her because "hurr nobody likes her she has no interesting stories hurr incest rape rogue!!"
Just let her have this.
>>103523215
>Maybe I'm overreacting, but has Mar been mentioned at all in this book? How many issues are left?
Not only he's mentioned every single time at the beginning of each issue but at least twice in the first ones. This is what happens when you don't even read the stuff you want to bash.
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So she's related to Superman now?
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>>103507666
Why is that action so fucking terrible? Kick, punch, kick? The artists Marvel hire have absolutely no fucking idea how to draw exciting action scenes anymore.
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>>103523970
*crack*
*sipp*
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>>103524066
Is Steranko doing anything aside from going to conventions lately?
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>>103508032
>That manjaw
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>>103524766
>hating on best Carol by proxy
Leave.
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>>103521124
Its Marcus.
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>>103518472
That guy was beefy.
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>>103523907
Her last name is Danvers and she did go around with a big S on her chest for a while
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>>103526221
thats for sperm. she got here powers by Mar Vell having his dna shot all over and in her.
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This is dumb. Its completely unnecessary to have this extra Kree connection, we already KNEW why Carol had hybridized Kree/human DNA, so why make an extra explanation?
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>>103526221
I thought that was a thunder symbol.
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>>103526608
nope. stands for semen
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>>103526608
it can be two things
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>>103507718
Hahahhaaha oh God this is so awful. Can't wait for the next retcon.
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>>103507666
That's... uhhh... I don't think the person who wrote this knows much about human history, or the context of fairy tales.
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>>103518472
About the best thing Yon-Rogg did was make it so it looked like she already had the procedure. It showed that even if he was a bitter asshole he at least cared about his daughter.
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>>103521124
My guess is that it's going to be Clint or Star-Lord, Thompson is not exactly that creative.

At least my favs are safe because they are major c-listers and thus under her radar.
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>>103523089
Says you, I am laughing about it.
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>>103525655
faggot
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>>103508220
>(probably)
So you're speaking out your ass. Good to know
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>>103521124
Mar-Vell for synergy, if that's who getting played
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>>103507718
This is no good, this is no good.





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