Why the fuck IDW make this character relevant than fucking Shadow
Cream barely appears outside of Metal Virus. Shadow was a main character in the Metal arc, the Metal Virus, Chao Racing, The Growing City whatever arc.
>>145715248Cream >>>> edgy sonic
don't mind if I do
>>145715248cute and funny
she has practically no presence in the games anymore so segay provably doesn't care about what's done with her as much as important ones like sonic and red sonic and black sonic
>>145715248Melodrama. Shadow used to be important for the same reason, but post-06 that model was dropped in favor of whimsy. It wasn't until Forces that someone like Shadow could even reappear in earnest. Now the shoe's on the other foot, the cute little girl is the easy sell for an audience of serial pathologists.
>>145715248She's cuter
>>145715248>2024>still no edgy Cream the Rabbit game in the vein of Shadow the HedgehogSucks, man.
Less rules.
>>145715248Cream barely does anything in IDW. It’s the dykemond cutters who are the spotlight hogs. Even Evan’s gay birds are getting more screentime than the Chaotix in the recent arc. Game characters will always play second fiddle to the comic author’s OCs.
>timeless kid appeal characterVS>edgelord with no personality and was a product of his timeGee, I wonder.
>>145715248Because Iizuka is a pain in the ass in regards to how Shadow should be portrayed, so much that he has gone out of his way to say he and Sonic aren't friends, that Shadow is in no regards supposed to be compared to Vegeta and that he wants to explore a future game in which Shadow is back in the villain role since "that's kind of his concept".I really do not get why japanese creators must consistently reset things to status quo despite the fact that it hurts the story; Tekken did this recently, Street Fighter did this, fucking Toriyama did it with Gohan and Vegeta in Super repeating their character arcs from the Buu saga.
>>145715781>Japanese creators want the characters to recognizably remain similar>Western writers want the characters to change completely on the barest of whimsReally makes you think.
>>145715781>he and Sonic aren't friendsBut... they aren't... the outrageous comment is that he, Omega and Rouge are not friends.Other than that, your analysis is spot on.
>>145715818That's not an outrageous comment at all. Shadow works with Rouge and Omega, but he personally would barely call them "allies", let alone "friends", and they're not always together every single moment like Archie and IDW.
>>145715853Maybe
>>145715853>Bat tats mommy milky and bunny cunny under one roofSome human man is very lucky
Christ. Shadow fans are so obnoxious. Already getting so much attention but even a character as small as cream will get your ire because she has slightly more appearances in a comic. Shut the hell up.
>>145715248Cream the rabbit.
>>145715813Ah yes, because fuck me you want the character to do something other than the same shit for 30 years.Bison and Heihachi always being fanfared as these otherworldly threats despite the fact that they are the biggest jobbers in their respective franchises is pathetic.
>>145715893>they're not always together every single moment like Archie and IDW.kek, Archadow fans wish that was the case for IDW.
>>145715248Because Cream is based and Shadow is for fags.
>>145715975>Archadow fansDo these really exist?
>>145715813>Japanese creators want Shonen rival cliches from 30 years ago>Western writers want character developmentReally makes you think.
>>145715920Shadowfags are barely even human. They want him to be a boring zero-personality edgelord who speaks in tired cliches like "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR!" and "I ONLY CARE ABOUT FIGHTING STRONG OPPONENTS!" and is shoehorned into as many games as possible.>>145715975>>145716003Case in point.
>>145716040Seething Archadowfag hands typed this post.
>>145716012>Japanese creators want the same character people liked>Western writers want to write someone that only looks like the same character who "developed" offscreen into a completely different person
>>145715781>it's a "Gohan has no pattern recognition and gives up on fighting, only to have to go through some BS to regain his hax super forms" episodeHow do Dragon Ball fans continue to eat this up?
>>145715921That reminds me. Anyone has the edit of this image with Vanilla saying she named Cream after her "favourite": "Cream the Rabbit"
>>145716003>>145716040I just came back from a lurking trip to sthg (I didn't want to miss the shitstorm that was going on with the Shadow game, the Shadow animated mini-series and now the DC crossover).>Do Archadow really exist?Oh boy, trust me, they do exist (though their numbers must be lower than one may thing, you never know when it comes to the general)
>>145716044Tell me, will you eat up any dumb cliche as long as it's "cool?" If I write a story about two loose-cannon buddy cops being yelled at by an angry police chief, would you get invested in it so long as they all wore sunglasses and rode motorcycles or some shit?>>145716058>Japanese writers want to rehash the same shit over and over>Western writers want a guy who had a whole three-game arc about coming to terms with his dark past to unclench a little and do something other than retell the Maria story and get into prick-waving contests with Sonic
>>145715916It is a well known fact that loving yuri furry matrimonies require a good dicking every 3 or 4 full moons.
>>145716129Western writers are literally the only ones who've been retelling the Maria story from for the past 18 years, and Sonic and Shadow are both mutually competitive with each other.
>>145715893>That's not an outrageous comment at all.I meant that as "that was not the outrageous comment (that Iizuka did)".Sorry if it came out wrong.
I still likes the original panel of Vanilla before they changed it in the final version.
>>145716210You're good, but I still feel the point should be mentioned in case more Archiefags hop on the thread.
>>145716235>anyone who is bored with the umpty-billionth Vegeta ripoff is an Archiefag
>>145716302Yes.
>>145716194The games have been rehashing the same few beats for him in general for years. What a lot of people celebrate as his "peak" in 06 is just a shitty rehash and it and him being as interesting as a brick wall. And they're going to do it again lmao.
>>145716311So we should expect nothing but stagnation and mediocrity from this franchise?
See, this shit is why Shadow should just be a joke, like in Boom.
>>145716229Sega never intended for Vanilla to be a temptress milf always giving the bedroom eyes that ABT has been trying to turn her into for years.They want her to be the droopy-eyed absent-minded milf you can trick into sucking your dick by telling her to close her eyes and open her mouth.Ironically, I prefer the latter, but the former is also highlighted by the fact that ABT gave her tits that rival those of Rouge.
>>145716346NTA, but by Sonic Colors, I thought this was a lesson everyone learned...
>>145716346If characters behaving the same way they always have is "stagnation and mediocrity", I don't even want to know what you would consider progress and peak.
>>145716364it's because her expression in that panel is catty and witty. Like "Can you believe this nonsense?"
>>145716353Ironically Shadow was one of the few characters from Boom that wasn't a joke of their former selves. Thanks Sega mandates.
>>145716335Well the thing is that he really doesn't have much of anywhere to go. We already know everything about his "mysterious" past, the Black Arms are all dead, the characters he had the deepest relationships with (Maria and Gerald) are dead, and he's already completed his redemption arc.You could honestly argue that Jet and Knuckles are better rivals for Sonic, since they have more personality and their Echidna/Babylon shit has some story potential.
>>14571633506 is Shadow's peak because he stops focusing on Maria, makes peace with GUN, and is willing to help Sonic without beefing. Also, the literal devil shows up and tries to convince him to be evil, only for him to reply with "No way, fag." while everyone else in the other two stories is being retarded.
>>145716423I believe that's why they used him as a joke character. Literally the fish out of the Boom water.
>>145716391>something as basic as "character development" is an alien and frightening concept to Shadowtards
>>145716455they didn't, they only two episodes he's in is just him beating them up and having fight scenes with Sonic/Metal/Knuckles.I swear the only thing you can reasonably assume is a joke is a line he says that Sonic has bad craftsmanship after Sonic and crew spent a 5 minute sequence being funnily bad at Ikea, and then Shadow fights them all again
>>145716452So a shitty rehash of the last games. Lol. Shadow's story was shit like the others there.
>>145716470It's not "character development" if it happens entirely offscreen for no reason, Archiefag.
>>145716472And Eggman gushing over how "badass" he is.
>>145716472He speaks in nothing but edgy cliches like "Time to take out the trash!" or "Next time, we'll meet on MY TERMS!" and makes ridiculous vows of vengeance over Sonic supposedly calling him a windbag. He's an obvious parody of Shonen anti-heroes.
>>145716488>if it happens entirely offscreen for no reasonwhen is this?He's a weird loner who doesn't cooperate with anyone for most of the story. He mellows out and asks for help the first time when he finally gets a lead on Maria through Gerald's cd and needs Sonic to help him unlock it. He commits to be a hero like the others once he regains his memories through the cd and rescues Knuckles thanks to this new promise. He learns to work as a team through his entire first Sonic Universe arc forming Team Dark to fight Faust, and also the preceding appearance helping Blaze fight Metal.If anything it happens for many in-character reasons, entirely on-screen.
>>145716472You're missing the point, because he is not a "joke", that made him the joke.Other silly series have pulled similar plots, where you have this silly setting and suddenly, this zero fucks character shows up, is bothered/disturbed by the oddity of the world, and finally decides to just get the hell out of there.
>>145716434Based Jet appreciation.
>>145716527And it worked.
>>145716527"obvious"ly that's the exaggerated meta parody you've constructed in your head. He's not a parody of anything, he is that shit straightforwardly. The windbag joke is Eggman's joke, Shadow spends the rest of the episode just doing dumb boring fight sequences with Sonic as his enemy.
>>145716482>Shadow's story was shit like the others there.Most of the Shadowfags that praise 06 Shadow are also shippers, just in case.
>>145716574They must love how he and Rouge "aren't even friends".
>>145716488He has two whole fucking games about coming to terms with his past and saving the Earth, pal. Assuming he might unclench a little isn't that much of a stretch.
>>145716538Yeah, in Archie. Too bad people want Shadow to become Archdow when that's literally impossible without bad writing.
>>145716574>Most of the Shadowfags that praise 06 Shadow are also shippersIt's all women who imagine themselves as Rouge so they can fuck Shadow.
>Shadow....give the fanbase a chance to be happy....stay dead after SA2....
>>145716650They would have better luck imagining themselves as Maria... ah, right... she's not a furry.
>>145716684Well, theres that fan design of her as a hedgehog.
>>145716684They do that too
>>145716650Noone who likes 06 Shadow are women, it's entirely men who self-insert as the generic bejita guy who says generic things about how badass he is then kamehamehas them all away when he takes off his out-of-nowhere "limiters". Women don't even play the shitty games, they at best make OCs of themselves in shitty tumblr art
>>145716672A few years ago, I would have agreed... but the franchise has shown they can work with Shadow outside SA2.Sonic Battle, and, depending on the route you take, even Shadow the Game had some interesting portrayal of the character.
>>145715248 I haven't played many Sonic games but I heard she was practically a main character for a while and she was heavily featured in Sonic X if I remember it correctly.
>>145715248comic books are all about an autistic writer making his favourite character a big deal just because he can
>>145716719Those more of the same exploring his past shit. I'm not seeing it.
>>145716684>>145716689Some fanarts did what if Maria was Mobian
>>145716734oh boy you have no idea...
>>145716695Sonic 06 was the closest this series ever came to a shonen animeI mean that in a bad way
>>145716747That's the story beat. I talk characterization.Besides, more than just his past, (that plays a part, I don't deny it), Battle dwells on Shadow finding someone he sees as an equal, another "a living weapon", which only makes it even more personal when it turns out it was Gerald who found and reprogrammed Emerl.Shadow is literally the game about exploring his past. But, as I said, there are some good routes. Don't get me wrong, some make no sense, and other are just plain ridiculous, but sometimes you find some fun ones.
>>145716774Imho Jewel the Beetle was the only one that I cared about the most
>>145716840Outside the color that gives her out as an OC, Jewel is pretty much the only IDW original who doesn't stink of "Try-To-Hard" OC.I wish we had more insect characters
>>145716555>guy makes ridiculous Samurai vow of vengeance because Eggman tricked him into thinking Sonic called him a windbagIf that's supposed to be a "straightforward" portrayal of the character, I'd really hate to see what you'd consider a parody.
>>145715248Cream is cute! Cute!
>>145716881NTA, but I have the suspision that he is misunderstanding the use of "parody" or "joke character" as something negative.
>>145715302>Shadow was a main character in the Metal arc,I understand no one's memory is perfect, but how can you possibly remember it this way? The metal virus is introduced in issue 12. Shadow doesn't appear again until issue 19, and in the same issue gets turned into a zombie. He doesn't get turned back until the metal virus gets eradicated in the last half of issue 29. But we don't actually see him do anything until issue 30. It's a 18 issues long and he's only active for like one issue total.
>>145716881>ridiculous samurai vowHe says “time to take out the trash” because the recording of Sonic called him weak, them spends the whole episode beating them up in a 100% unfunny way.It’s not a deep meta parody, bro, it’s just a shit mandated character from a boring show that couldn’t or didn’t actually use him in the funny way you’ve brainwashed yourself to think.
>>145716957It’s called mental gymnastics, not brainwashing. They can’t handle that it was shit and unfunny so they jump through hoops to say “actually he was shit and unfunny ON PURPOSE. Isn’t that so clever and funny?”
>>145716957>Who is he?>He's only the second-most popular character in the whole canon!His presence was a joke, Anon.
How does IDW have enough muscle to push back again promoting Shadow this year when EVERYTHING else is promoting him, even the beta for the Fall Guys clone and the fucking live concert.
>>145715916>ManImplying they aren't going for the /ss/
>>145715920>getting a starring role in a remaster of Sonic Generations>set up as the big selling point for the Sonic 3 movieWhat more do these fuckers want?
>>145715379Ah yes, I too enjoy cunny characters.
>>145716992Well, you go and tell Evan she can write Sonadow. Believe me, she scrap the crying lesbians in a second.
>>145716957>>145716986I'm not saying that I thought it was the Comedy of the Year or anything, I'm just saying I think the intended joke is that he takes everything so absurdly seriously that it becomes ridiculous, like swearing revenge over someone calling him weak.
>>145716995I'm not asking as a fan of Shadow, I'm wondering why the comic is the one thing immune to the Shadow infection. Even the Roblox map, Lego sets and cross promotion with motorcycle shit is going in on Shadow.
>>145716992IDW is hardly read by anyone so Sega don’t consider it important enough for advertisingProof: they are making DC publish their “Justice League” comic, which is obviously mainly just Shadow based off the animatic thing
>>145716992Considering how IDW has portrayed him so far, I support the pushback against them writing him.
>>145717046Evan doesn't want to and Sega isn't making her. Shrimple as.
>>145717041that’s just Infinite
>>145717086KEKThat's hilarious, I hadn't thought of that.
>>145717086So you did get the joke.
>>145717058Why? That's my question. I can't imagine all those other people were thrilled about it too. It makes IDW look like they are In ad advantageous position with Sega
>>145717198Most likely because she can't make him gay. If she were a vampire heterosexuality would be her garlic.And Ian just wants to write him like its still Archie, which he can't do anymore.
>>145716229>>145716364>introduce mom character>only use her in two/three games in very minor roles>instantly create millions of GB of pornFurries are something else.
>>145716816>literally Future Trunks>Blaze has to use THAT TECHNIQUE to seal away Iblis>Sonic comes back from the dead after they gather the Dragon BallsI can see it.
>>145717252bullshit powers like timetravel if you use chaos emeraldsforced romance between MC and useless damsel princess who gets “inspired” by himmuh limiters outta nowhere blasting through the billions of disposable puddle-deep badguy clonesonly saiyan-oops I mean hedgehogs can go super and do anythingeveryone else are bumbling useless friendsdumb fights with the “rivals” only there to pad time before actual bad guy shows up
>>145717288only thing missing is for Sonic to be crowned the new “ninja king down syndrome emperor” at the end for beating solaris and giving another pretentious speech
>>145717234She also been in sonic X and the japanese version gave her a milf voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et31zAihEPo
>>145715248Is this the thread?
>>145715248Some of Cream's early concept arts
>>145717526And also early concept arts of Blaze since I love her a lot.
>>145716993When they’re sharing the same house it’s so much easier to corner them
>>145715248Shadow is a shit character and any excuse to push him out is a good one
>>145717526Holy shit imagine the parallel world in which we got that giant feet one
>>145715781Shadow is a misanthrope and that's all he's ever been but Maria imprinted on him as a mother figure and that's the only reason he remembers and doesn't destroy the Earth. If you want a Shadow with personality, he needs another Maria to show his vulnerable side to. They should've done the Cloud and Aerith thing and given him a girl to get him to open up and progress as a character with.
>>145717526>>145717540I love Blaze's concept artwork but Cream's looks like the artists had no idea what they were doing. Kitten, chinchilla, raccoon (tanuki?), squirrel. Chinchilla looks the worst by a wide margin, but still. I never liked Cream's design as a child but as an adult it's clear that we got lucky someone in charge knew what they were doing.
>>145716774Stupid ahh cape. Dumbass tiny mask yamacha face ass girl
>>145716878Someone recently pointed out to me >The comic characters are bad Sonic Character designs And now I can’t unsee it. Notice in pic related how Jet and Scourge share something Surge completely lacks? I think it’s cause her character design would make a horrendous mascot and I hate that I have no better way to describe that
>>145717432 Why do you have a picture of my wife and my stepdaughter?
>>145718356>Notice in pic related how Jet and Scourge share something Surge completely lacks?What? Having red?
>>145718381Nah im probably just over thinking it. But the simplicity in Jet/Scourge’s design has some aura to it that Surge’s doesn’t. I have no idea how to explain it other than she looks like she comes from a far more serious series than they do. Which I guess would actually just be true. I dunno man it’s kind of the same thing as Jewel or Whisper those two do not look like sonic characters at all. I’d assume Jewel was from megaman and Whisper was from…fucking Small Arms from the Xbox market place I dunno
>>145718323Whisper is so friggin' cute
>>145718456No doubt. I just think her normal outfit and her mask looks kinda goofy ahh
>>145715248She's a cute plucky girl that works well as a kiddie sidekick and for fun lil side stories. I'm more surprised they haven't done a kid arc yet with creamy, charmy , and tails
>>145718476The mask is okay. That puffy jacket is cute though.
>>145715248There is about 10 times the amount of porn of her so obviously she is a much more popular character.
>>145715893A big point in Sonic 06 is Rouge talking to Shadow about how no matter how the world is against him she'll always be by his side. If you ask me that is further than "allies"
>>145718416You're right, she should be naked too. (Though I guess an oversized cool jacket would be fine.)Truth be told they probably leaned into the dragonball androids when they designed her clothes and that's why it looks a bit out of place in a franchise where most Mobians go all natural.
She's wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k8K9jX42BQ&t=40s
Most the people posting in this thread are subhumans, and you should all be tortured to death. This board has gone to shit. All of you people are joyless troglodytes whose entire beliefs are just some weird mouth breather contrarian who would hate his own mother if it was expedient in the act of making you seem atypical.
>>145718356she's better designed than both of them you conformist faggot
>>145719563And then it never happened.
>>145719563I believe the infamous statement ended up being a series of misunderstandings between Iizuka, Ian and the fandom.Look at One Piece, Luffy doesn't see his crewmates as friends, he sees them as his crewmates, and for him, his crewmates are more important than friends. It is different bond.The same with the other infamous one "Team Dark isn't a thing" and that's correct. Team Dark is the game canon is not a thing, Shadow, Rouge and Omega are, at the very least, allies that join together for common goals or assist each other when needed, instead of permanent three group units like "Chaotix Detective Agency" or "Babylon Rogues".Team Dark is just the name assignated to the group by marketing, and in some cases, game design for grouping/classification purposes.
>>145715248Why is your grammar so bad?
>>145717540>Lower leftKek, Blaze literally has no breasts.
>>145717714>If you want a Shadow with personality, he needs another Maria to show his vulnerable side to. They should've done the Cloud and Aerith thing and given him a girl to get him to open up and progress as a character with.It'd be cute and it'd give Cream something to do besides pander to furry lolicons.
>>145721315I can actually see Shadow having a soft spot for kids.
Blaze is here
>>145721315Could try and say Cream is a reincarnation of Maria if you want to explain his connection without changing his personality or anything .
>>145721315>They should've done the Cloud and Aerith thing and given him a girl to get him to open up and progress as a character withI assumed that was Rouge. I remember playing SA2 and whenever Rouge got in trouble or whatever, Shadow would flash back to images of Maria before saving her.I dunno why he even wanted to do that. SA2 Shadow wanted to kill everyone because of what happened to Maria even though he knew Maria would never condone that.
Thoughts on the DC crossover?
>>145719770Is she? Is Mickey Mouse in drag and fangs really conveying something better than the other two?
>>145722152I feel like this guy was vindicatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsMb_MaOYS4
>>145719585That makes a ton of sense. Honestly it’s probably why Surge and Kit’s designs come across as slightly retro to me. Like they’re trying to capture a zoomer’s idea of what 80’s grunge and punk wereMuch different than Nine who looked like an actual alt Gen alpha kid. Which in turn made him stand out right next to designs from the actual 80s
>>145717526>we almost had midriff cream Its not fucking fair bros
>>145716954Him becoming a zombie was retarded
>>145716954Metal arc, as in Metal Sonic. I think they are referring to the first arc where Metal Sonic does a redux of Sonic Heroes, which was before the metal virus arc.
>>145721315I’m such a sucker for -You’re not my kid but we’ll bond anyway, and neither one of us will fully notice how good for both of us this is - and considering the amount of kid characters in this series it’s strange there isn’t a single teacher and apprentice thing going on with any of them.Although they’re basically all fully capable of something already. But y’know could get more abilities n shit
>>145718363>my wife and my stepdaughterhow does it feel getting crucked?
>>145722494>Implying Vanilla doesn't bring Vector to the bedroom so she has a public while she does someone else>And Vector accepts
>>145716364>The only canon Mobian character that has fucked>Sega never intended for Vanilla to be a temptress milfwut?
>>145716719>Sonic BattleSonic Battle Shadow got shit on the entire time. He's role was to be a jobber and job to Sonic, Tails, and Emerl.
Why does Cream attracts so many fucking creeps?And not just some no name randos online:People like fucking PaperDawn and Spax3 like, like her!
>>145722807Is it that hard to believe?She's a different kind of milf, the one you trick into sex. Not the one that lures you into it.
She better represents the Sonic franchise than Shadow does
Are we ever going to know what happened to Cream's father? Did he leave, did he die? I want to meet the man that helped create the ultimate sex loli.
>>145722835>He's role was to be a jobber and job to Sonic, Tails, and Emerl.Which is explained in the same storyline as him still recovering from serious injuries. Therefore, why he isn't full power the whole game.
>>145722842Bunnies / Rabbits are the lewdest furry animals because of their high sex drive. So basically it combines two popular genres lolis and sex maniacs.
>>145722890And then when Shadow regained his strength he and Sonic lost a 2v1 against Emerl. Shadow takes nothing but Ls in that game, even in his own story he can only beat the fake E-102s and fake Emerls.
>>145722884He was a human man. Islander males don’t have penises and cannot procreate.
>>145722735if you're the same anon it sounds like projection desu
Can you imagine the board room meeting where they pitched shadow?Ok we need an edgy counterpart to sonicSo metal sonic?No like a rival and he needs to be redSo knuckles?No he needs to look just like sonic but black and redSo mighty the armadillo?
>>145722926>Shadow takes nothing but Ls in that gameFrom the perspective of reading everything as only "Player 1 vs Player 2". There's more nuance to a victory and a defeat in games where your characters are static sprites.
>>145723091NTA
>>145716003Clearly you weren't around for the Archie Conductor threads. And Archie Shadow has had a pretty positive from the fandom as a whole anyhow.
>>145723098Metal Sonic is Eggman’s bitch.Knuckles is a joke and was also Eggman’s bitch, the only person who pretended he was relevant was Penders. Literally no one owned a 32X.
>>145722884The only thing that makes sense is his name being Ice to fit the family's naming theme.
>>145723148Ice is a strange name for a human male.
>>145723162
Since this is a Shadow thread now, has anyone ever thought that Gerald may have allowed Maria and Shadow to have sex as one possible way to cure her? Either by the sex or the child they have together. Remember, he purposefully made Shadow a young teenager like Maria. He also didn't explicitly make them think of each other as brother and sister. This is also the same guy who was willing to make giant lizard monsters who suffer non-stop in order to try to save his granddaughter.
>>145715248>>145715370Fuck all of you. Shadow > Cream and everyone else in the series.
>>145723183I vote that the dude on the right is the Canon father. 'Vanilla Ice' is just too perfect. Also, bring back sunglasses right freaking NAO.
>>145723239Vanilla Ice Cream. It fits too well.
>>145722881No she doesn't go kys
>>145715370Hating edgy stuff is peak low-T energy.
>>145719585female characters in the games don't go naked at all, if she was naked she'd stand out even more as wrongcan archie fans at least be aware of how things are in other branches they don't care about
>>145723246Exactly.Make her dad a biker jock and ex-military with a love for motorcycles and slap on those shades, baby.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeQUxNf3G6k
>>145723266Females should go nude like the dudes just to piss the sensitive people off.
>>145723298that's up to you to care or not care or like or dislike, I'm not talking about wants; I'm talking about what exists already. Female game characters, when not a monster like Zeena, go dressed. So if Surge were naked, how would she not stand out as not fitting in the cast even more?
>>145723330Honestly, the IDW OCs stand out already from the traditional style as it is. lol
>>145723342Tangle really does look more like an Archie character.
>>145723342>they stand out so they should stand out even more while I regardless complain that they stand outis it too much to ask for some coherence in thought
>>145723361Obviously, yes.
Because shadow fucking sucks
>>145723397He fucks your mom, he's based.
>>145723361I'm not complaining about them standing out, I like an extra layer of complexity in the Sonic character designs, some of Archie's takes were cool.>>145723354Hey, that's fine by me. lol But I wouldn't mind a bit more girt and grime. Isn't the "Restoration" supposed to be the rebels against Eggman or something? They seem a bit cleaner and organized than one would expect.Then again, rebelling against the big, wealthy banker, or businessman or military dictator has seem to come out of favor as of late in Modern Western Media, so, it ain't no big surprise.
>>145723366Built to be fucked grizzly, filthy, buff jackal, weasel, wolf and human(monkey) men. Passed around like some piece of meat in some Rebel Militia's campground.
>>145723417>I wouldn't mind a bit more girt and grime. Isn't the "Restoration" supposed to be the rebels against Eggman or something?You're thinking the Resistance. The Restoration's goal is to undo damage Eggman's plans cause and secure his technology to prevent other villains from getting it. Dealing with Eggman directly isn't their job, that's why the Dykemond Cutters are a thing.
>>145723444So, the Government that's looking to take away people's firearms are the good guys. I figured. I wanted to draw a comic of some rather rough mercs breaking into the Restoration's HQ and acquiring the weapons' stockpile they took from Eggman and the Diamond Cutters fail miserably at protecting said stockpile. Work has been a bitch though.
>>145723463
>>145723479Would prefer to make a short comic of Lanolin's brother coming to beat some sense out of her, but Blaze being a cunt to an even bigger cunt is also cute and deserved.
>>145723251Here's a take on bad Cream from Joe, along with other canon (at least to Archie) and non-canon alts.
>>145723554I would like to meet this Joe and shake his hand, maybe exchange some Sonic OC ideas. I approve.
>>145723577If you've never seen Joe's works before, he's a huge Sonic fan, and most of his art about the IP is combining different parts from every corner to make cool world building pictures, even using some of Sega's other IPs.
>>145723266All things considered m8, they probably made the right choice de-canonizing female mobians not having visible tits
>>145723288Oh shit that would totally make >Shadow = replace Maria with cream >Cream= replace Ice with Shadow And only Vanilla would be aware of it, that poor bunny
>>145723642So he does his job well by working with what he's got regarding the IP. I've seen this before yes, but I wasn't sure who made it. I worked in a similar manner when I was designing OCs and world building elements.Good head on his shoulders.
>>145717540>bottom rightShould've been her super form.
>>145723642That one ninja girl in white and red outfit is based after her from this PS2 game.
>>145723661I like what he's doing with the Zeti, hope to see more of their different paths.
>>145723655aye, brings a tear to the eye.
>>145721315We're posting cool uncle shadow?
>>145723707Those two guys are either basketball players or Zeena is short enough to suck your dick while standing up despite not being a shortstack.
>>145717526>the sandal oneDisaster was averted by a hair's breadth.
>>145721479All of them except Tails. Tails gives shadow weird vibes(It’s all of Tails’ weird repressed feelings with Sonic being projected at Shadow)
>>145723772
>>145723809They actually rarely interact in canon but the one time they did, it was a team up to save the president from black creatures.
"I love you, Anon- Err...uhm.... 'Papa'."
>>145715248Sega gives less of a shit about Cream than they do Shadow. Doesn't the latter have dumbass guidelines they they're just now starting to get rid of like he can't have friends?
>>145724031but seriously, Shadow isn't less relevant than Cream, she's just there as more of a background character, or at least, should be.
>>145723772>>145723839I'm not even a shipfag but seeing these two interact makes me feel things.
>>145724440Whaabow dis?
>>145722157you are less than a retard. you are a disgusting gorilla nigger
>>145721315>>145723772>>145723839I feel that Shadow would be a bad influence.
>>145724803
>>145724803>>145724832Dear lord what have you done? Their blood is on your hands!
>>145716076They just keep making more cuckolding jokes.
>>145724803She needs more of those
>>145722494>>145722735I am Vector.
>>145722319They also said he's a main character in the Metal Virus arc too.
>>145715248I want to babysit her.
>>145718416>>145718356It's because the simplicity works. If you were to reduce the designs down to a mono-colour silhouette, what defining traits does Surge have over Scourge or Jet that you'd be able to pick out of a lineup that aren't just extraneous bolt-ons that try too hard to force a personality on the design? The design philosophy of non-comic characters is to make them eye-catching and recognisable at a glance, THEN add accents if necessary to enhance certain traits. Take Jet; if you remove the goggles, does that make him less recognisable?
The characters aren't used well in general. I know they aren't very flexible as corporate mascots, but you can still do better than "this character is here, be excited."
>>145715248Loli sells
>>145724890>Tails now we can be together FOREVER!
>>145723772>>145724803>>145724832I adore Shadow's interactions with Cream
>>145715989cream is for pedophiles and shadow is for CHADS.
>>145725750Cream doesn't like Tails, she's much more interested in Sonic
>>145725878Can I still be both?
>>145725878the only "men" who like Shadow look like pic rel, or pic rel but 100x as fat
>>145725961fat and brown
>>145725884I mean it's just a joke about the pic anon, though I think cream x tails could be cute. Idk kid ships have a level of wholesomeness
>>145725878You point?
>>145726082NTA, but you must never forget that as soon as the game cuts to black, the characters remain in the spot they were left, not moving, not talking, not doing anything, until the next game starts and they are magically transfer to their new starting positions.So, anything that you don't see happening in a game scene, is not canon and made up stuff.
>>145725715This
>>145724803Cream is a bad influence
>>145726182What if it's the inverse, they are only truly free to pursue happiness and true development when we aren't looking. object permanence and all that jazz.
>>145725961Yes, most Sonic fans are male children.
>>145726082they do but cream and tails is like dora the explorer and dexter’s lab
>>145723184Yes and this is why Shadow x Maria shippers are technically valid.
>>145727890Shadria is the ultimate ship... and I don't even ship it (I'm just a mild-mannered Shadikal enjoyer)
>>145727990>Shadikal
>>145715248ever since the death of archie, sonic's only had about 12 or 13 characters to pick from. they don't have alot of options anymore.
>>145723809Tails is such a fag, jesus christ.No, I don't care if SEGA or Archie or whatever the fuck had him speak with a girl, half of the time he's either moaning wanting Sonic or begging to be near Sonic; there's a reason so many people thought he was a girl in the genesis era and the ammount of R63 fanart he has. Doesn't help that most of the people that are obsessed with tails are either homos, trannies, homotrannies or closeted homotrannies.
>>145725179This
>Shadow and Cream mentioned togetherOh no, not again
>>145727990I’d be highly surprised if they didn’t fuck if the Arc incident didn’t happen
>>145728839t. Dreamcastzx/SuperbunnyGT
>>145723839Based Shadow. He knew Miami would be nuked because he played Hotline Miami beforehand.
>>145729614sonic marries elise, shadow marries maria. who wins?
>>145727055I mean isn't tails more of a "explorer" than cream most of the time? Seems cream wants to be a hero like sonic but tails actually is always in the action. More lab focus tails is a recent thing not that it's bad just wasn't as prevalent in archie or the games.But I'd love to see next gen arc, tails cream maybe kit and of course my boy charmy.
>>145729760Us, more Sonic girls for us
I'm kind of digging Shadow's portrayal in the Dark Beginnings short. He's not back to his peak personality in SA2, but it feels like "what if Shadow hadn't been terminally edgy back in StH 2005?"
>>145729781god the games characters are so fucking boring and one dimensional. holy shit i'm so sick of most of them by now.
>>145729781Artist? Reverse search failed me
>>145729781cream and tails just don't work even for non shipping shit. no chemistry so they're just boring when together.
>>145729807Shadow has had the same personality for over 20 years. Put down your Archie comics and grow up.
>>145729890That’s the funny thing about all the kid characters. None of them match each other in energy at all. Heck I can hardly think of times Charmy and Cream were in the same place canonically let alone actually interacted directly I mean I know this was a while ago but I’m pretty sure Him and Cream never even say each other’s names in X
>>145729781I have no clever way of saying this. Every age up depiction of Charmy I’ve seen in fan-art makes him kinda hotHe learned it from Espio
>>145730036Cream and Charmy kinda have the same energy. His boy rascalishness feels like the same age Cream's little girlishness is. Like he'd probably throw water balloons at her make believe tea party.
>>145729781They are quite different because Cream lives with her actual Mom while Tails basically became self-sufficient at 8 after Sonic found him in the middle of nowhere, he ain't normal
>>145725865>>145724803
>>145729909Why would you say something so transparently wrong and still expect to be taken seriously?
>>145730141They would make a pretty cute “totally different but friends anyway” pair. Like Charmy is a bad influence on her in some ways and she’s a good influence on him in some ways “Ms. Vanilla we found your daughter doing graffiti on the clock tower.”“Mama no one can even erase it without flying up there. And Charmy was right that tower is old and ugly without your face on it, mom!” -“I’m tremendously worried, Vector.”“I know what you mean, Espio. He’s just been sitting there quietly reading for 14 minutes now. What do you think has him so focused?” “I’ll ask. Heeey buddy. What have you got there?”“A book Cream helped me get from that lye berry place. It’s about lizard dissections! Did you know me and you have different organs?”
>>145730257
>>145730153This makes me think of how in the movie he’s already Tails by the time he meets sonic. Even saying his “friends” call him that. I know it was probably just for the sake of the story but it makes me think of how the anti-hero pirate version of him in Prime was raised by Rouge. Not to mention that would explain why he uses more deception and convincing people, plus stuff like a gun or a bomb as his gadgets in the movie Not like I actually think that’s what’s gonna happen but c’mon that would be neat. Rouge shows up saying Tails’ whole name and it turns out the several months he’s spent with Sonic and Knuckles is the longest time he’s spent away from her since they met. Knuckles and Sonic are ready to throw down after they see the hottest bitch they’ve ever seen come through a ring portal looking all serious. Only for said bitch to immediately hug Tails and be all “I was so worried about you!”
>>145725878what's wrong with being a cartoon pedophile?
>>145730502In such a situation is there anything a man can do except immediately express that you're glad they were reunited and informing her of how fond of the boy you are, he's like a son to you, you're happy to meet the remarkable woman who did such a remarkable job raising a remarkable young man?
>>145729760Both of them. Maybe Shadow wins the most since sex and impregnation may lead to a cure for Maria
>>145730115I was gonna say well he's got tons of cool role models lol. But yeah honestly my first time seeing a teen charmy age up.>>145730153I mean doesn't mean he doesn't have a kiddy side and maybe she helps ground him. It's always sad when a kid is too grown like child stars. Tails has sacrificed enough to help defeat the baddies can't he just have someone he can be a kid with?>>145729813Jeez that's a depressing take, I mean they could be better at times but they are pretty fun to me at least.>>145729835>LoopD33Loop>>145729890I guess I'll be forever alone in this ship but hey not gonna force it down anyone's throats. Idk they are just like the titular kid characters to me. An I like the more smartass/cynical tails they've been pushing then you have cream the super good wholesome girl. So kind of the smart and naive to play off of.
>>145730036>>145730257>>145730141Could be the step sibling vibes, though questions is vector charmy's dad at this point?
>>145730711Knuckles and Sonic being huge simps thinking they subtle and Tails whispers to them “please…no” “What? We’re just trying to get to know the woman who helped our little buddy become so cool” “No. You’re not. I can tell I’ve seen it before. Guys please don’t start fighting” “Why would me and Knuckles starting fighting over making a new pal?”“No he has a point, it is something entirely different I am interesting it- ouch! What was that for *knuckles punches sonic in the arm. They go back and forth. They’re fighting now*”*Tails with his hands on the sides of his head “It’s happening again!!!”
>>145730789I like to think so. I know they haven’t ever really tried to explain how they got Charmy but I grew up watching Disney. I tell myself someone left Charmy at Vector’s doorstep in a box with a note that said something like “Please find my home” and some money or something. Of course in trying to he never does and grows far too attached to the little charmer (Something I like to think he called the baby bee after he realised being a “single dad” made him get positive attention from women) That and the idea of Charmy’s helmet and high visibility vest isn’t cause he’s accident prone but because Vector is a little overprotective because as a crocodile he was wholly unprepared to raise a baby beePlus it could lead to a shit ton of cute moments. Picture toddler Charmy all curious in the eyes asking Vector “Why am I not a cwocodile?”
>>145730768What would their kid look like?
Inb4 Tailsfag spergs out over one of opinions and deletes this thread.
>>145730563
>>145716093I actually made that edit, if you're still here.
>>145730771they haven't been good since sonic adventure 2. heroes flanderized them and made the whole setting boring! i can't believe you idiots still lap this stuff up. nothing interesting EVER happens. it's just so fucking BORING.
>>145731419Ah I liked heroes
>>145731327schizo much?
>>145731457liking it isn't the problem, it's how it turned the characters into cardboard cutouts of themselves. iizuka has been a shit shepherd of this franchise and his tenure as director since yuji naka got promoted out of dev is so pathetic.
>>145731470?
>>145715248Shadow is the most boring person in the franchise.
>>145732408No, that’s Amy
>>145732650>>145732408Pretty sure that's unironically Sonic, Knuckles, or Tails desu.
>>145729890I do agree that they don't have a lot of chemistry, but I think that's more on the writers for not doing bothering to do anything with either, rather than their inherent characters just not working. I feel like you can make the two gel together by highlighting what makes them so different from each other. Tails is more strategic and practical, Cream is more empathetic and emotionally driven. They're sort of like Classic Sonic and Amy in a modern setting. Have that be the basis of conflicts between the two, and have them work to resolve issues by learning to see each other out. Also maybe play up the immaturity of both of them, remind the audience that they're both still kids that need to learn from each other. Note: I'm speaking purely in a platonic sense. I don't particularly care about shipping them, and the way I see it you can't really have a decent ship if you can't get the fundamental interactions down in the first place.
>>145726992I don't know if you are serious or not, but I "wasn't". However, there are anons who unironically believe what I wrote, or rather, they refuse to use their imagination and simple character corelation to figure out a few things.They literally need Sega to spell everything to them in the screen, otherwise it isn't canon.
>>145730771>I guess I'll be forever alone in this shipYou're not alone, and there's a more than enough people who like the ship a lot precisely because of its potential wholesomeness (a boy and girl that know each other as kids, grow together as friends growing to like each other, and by their teen/adult years they love each other)Unfortunately there are a few anons in /co/ that unorinically hate the ship for a number of reasons you pretty much have already seen through the thread.
Personally, I really liked Tails and Barby. Is not your ordinary ship and I thought something could have come out of it from Archie.
>>145731357Hey! Here I am.I could have tried to re-edit it myself, but damn it, I couldn't top what was already perfect. Thanks!
Sonic Team kinda shoot themselves in the foot by connecting the stories of each major entries (Sonic 2, 3K, adventures 1 & 2, heroes, and ShadTh) while forgetting that this is primarily a fictional Storybook/Cartoon video game series.
>>145733858
>>145730036>Tails and Cream never even say each other’s names in XThey don't share many private scenes alone together in X, that is true, but they do interact with each other. And it is very clear from the interactions we see between them that they get along just fine as buddies.They do bring each other in conversations, though I can't remember if they addressed each other directly by name in the scenes they share together, kek.
>>145733858Some people like things being connected and continued and not one offs all the time. Retard.
>>145716470I'd say that's a bad example as Shadow did go from terrorist criminal to law enforcement.
>>145716364even Sonic team can make changes
>>145734028Oh, I know that image, but please notice she still has her droopy eyes. The difference is that, luckily for us, Cream is no longer a formula baby.
>>145730771Ignore the anons that just hate anything even remotely close to being "fun".Tails and Cream get along just fine, even if in the games they don't interact much directly, supplement material and other available related media shows they consider each other friends.You can even infer a lot of things based on this still from Advance 3 alone.
>>145733957if they're gonna connect shit they should at least make it worth the fucking time to invest. this strict adherence to "brand" makes this shit so boring!
>>145734028these artworks have a whole story behind them
>>145734079She sure is looking at Gemerl...
>>145734079>supplement material and other available related mediawut? This is dumb and bullshit, just say they don't interact but you think they would be friends, they don't interact in "muh supplemental material"
>>145734079"these characters...smile next to eachother!" wow so deep such good characterization. absolutely worth all the fucking autistic effort in the world. sega is TOTALLY gonna do anything with this series ever. (not!)Fucking HATE zombie sonic. it's so BORING.
>>145717526best version won , i'd say
>>145734232>>145734250>Two immediate replies of "Nuh! They Dont Get Along In Canon!"Kek, case in point. Thanks for pretty much confirming what I just said.>>145734230Anon, it is all a matter of using a little of imagination to see what is going on in the picture.
>>145734230>>145734232>>145734250>Three almost immediate responsesIf I didn't know better I would almost accuse you guys of samefagging.
>>145734315>Anon, it is all a matter of using a little of imagination to see what is going on in the picture.She's looking at Gemerl. That's what is going on.
>>145733894>but they do interact with each otherOnly “interaction” i can remember is them wordlessly making a sandcastle in one scene in the background of Amy’s beach tantrum episode
>>145734315>>145734330Did you even read my reply? I called your shit valueless. I didn't disagree with it. It's fucking shallow. You like shallow junk! You have no taste!! The only reason you like Sonic is because you hyper-fixated on it at a young age. This brand causes fucking autism. It isn't GOOD.
Remember that time cream used tails just to see that sheep again?
>>145734340She's looking at Gemerl as Tails repairs him.She gets along with Tails enough to ask him to repair him after she and Vanilla found it stranded on a beach.Cheese is bringing a wrench, implying Tails doesn't mind their presence in his workshop.Look anon, I'm not trying to do a "they are a canon ship" gotcha here, far from it, all I'm saying is that a single still can tell a bigger tale than just "She's staring at Gemerl".
>>145734384No. Must have not been very character-heavy and just been a plot thing. I do remember in that game when she vies for Sonic’s attention constantly and gets saved by Knuckles from some robots about to attack her and thanks him in awe.
>>145734366I did read it, and with this particular reply I can see no matter how much we try to discuss it, we will never be able to find common ground.
>>145734406So you're saying they are friends only by association of being friends with the same guy.
>>145733417>>145733525>>145734079>and simple character corelation to figure out a few thingsTheir “character correlation” is that they’re both younger than 10?Damn, time to force my crackship of Killua and Dora the Explorer now. They have so many common interests like being kids and breathing oxygen
>>145734436Basically. After Tails fixed Gemerl, Cream didn’t even invite him to her house to play, only Sonic is there with her. Tails is only in that scene because he’s the mechanic, if this were archie it would be Rotor
>>145734028>>145722494
>>145734437Don't worry anon, nobody is taking your precious little bunny away from you... or was it the fox the one you want?
>>145723235The Vegeta knockoff being the best thing about sonic isn't really a high bar.
>>145734448
>>145733525You should take a look at your own post and realise you just admitted the only thing they have going for them is their numerical age. That’s your only stake is forcing them together even when they act so completely indifferent and don’t even like anything about eachother
Ok geniuses, what girl is best for Tails then?
>>145734436>>145734448sigh... in one ear, out the other with you.
>>145734519Loneliness
>>145734519Whoever has interacted with him the most across the games
>and, as usual, it is pedofags shitting the thread upfigures
>>145734571fuck off you big baby
>>145734505Look anon, I personally don't get your beef against this particular ship... there're so many more crackships even more outlandish that the bunny and the fox.Yet, here you are... for you to die in this particular hill comes out as very unhinged. You don't like it? Fine, I just don't see the point of not letting others have their fun.
>>145729813yes, over the top cartoony retards is perfect for you adhd types
>>145734519Barby
>>145734519me
>>145716840>>145716878That's because she was made by an actual Sonic Fan character designer.
>>145734028>>145734476
>>145734519anyone that can bully him
>>145733417I assumed you were, but it works either way not some super confrontational post well not meant to be taken that way.I can agree many are against fanon or their own headcanons. But there are some that really obsess and allow their imaginations ruin the canon. Like the people that get super obsessed with the ages and etc.>>145733525I see that sadly but hey to each their own. But at least you get it anon just wholesome dumb fun also sometimes I get tired of tails /ss/ with every milf. Let my boy have someone more his speed lol.>>145734079Kind of want to know what can be infered here. I don't let hate get me down as I've said above to each their own. Plus no need to get schizo over a dumb little ship, but I'd love to talk on it.
>>145734733>over the top cartoony retards So the fucking Sonic cast? Why even have a franchise based directly off Golden Age cartoons when faggots like you just want to turn it into furry DBZ/SU?
>>145734519Girl clone of Tails. Tailsko.
>>145735105Made for oyakodon
>>145734519>Ok geniuses, what girl is best for Tails then?Rouge
>>145734519>Ok geniuses, what girl is best for Tails then?VanillaWhy aim for the green apple, when the ripe one is right there?
>>145716229shame they changed it
>>145734519.....he'll die a virgin, either that, or Zoey from Boom.
>>145734519No one. He's 8.
>>145735066>Kind of want to know what can be infered hereVery well, I will risk elaborating even though it might set up another wave. But, more or less what I wrote here >>145734406Cream is described in Sonic Channel as someone curious and with a desire to learn, so she's looking at the process, rather than going outside to play while Tails works. That implies she wants to know what he is doing, even if she can't fully comprehend it.Cheese handing out the wrench implies Tails might even be asking them for a hand in simple stuff, like handing over tools.None of that is, of course, set in stone, it is just a conjecture on my part, based on a still image and the personalities of the characters involved. But that doesn't mean we can't reach certain conclusions of how and why certain things are happening.
>>145731327It’s a miracle, he hasn’t shown up. We’re getting a break for once
>>145731327>>145735892Who, and why would he have a problem with Cream?
>>145734519>girl
>>145736016That... actually explains a lot, now that I think about it...
>>145735365That dog boy ain’t ever getting over that plant girl
>>145736030She's not even canon.
>>145736030This image is always so funny but also very sad.
>>145735530>>145736040You’re literally low-t, boco. Get off 4chaj and go fix it
>>145736090You’re worthless and low-T for not having the balls to go for real children. Instead you just feel sad whenever you Jack off to sonic kid characters because you will never have the real thing. Hopefully you’ll end things before you ever get just a sliver of motivation to go after real kids.
>>145736120Wut?Anon’s gone schizo
>>145736120>won’t somebody think of the poor heckin drawings!this is what twitter does to your brain
>>145736141If it was drawings it be okay, but I’ve known enough furpedos and TF2fags to know that eventually it isn’t enough for them. Eventually they want the real thing.
>>145736158I’d ask for any source for your schizo ramblings, but i’m too lazy so take your meds instead
>>145734296>tail
>>145734296
>>145715248Don't worryWe can fix it
>>145736589>Cream visits Robotnik (the scariest person in the world, or so she's heard)>asks if he will help her take a Halloween party photo>he actually agrees>entire world nearly kicks his ass because they think the photo they posed for is real
>>145736632It's based on pic related
>>145718356Huh? No. I do notice two big bazoongas that Scourge and Jet lack.
bnuuy
>>145736707This dude explained what I was talking about really well >>145725329But to be also be a degenerate I do have to say Surge doesn’t give me the same “I want to suck that guy’s cock” feeling that Jet does
>>145734519His hand.
>>145734907Seeing the only Sonic OCs I ever liked the look of for years make it into something official almost made me spit
>>145735877Eh nothing wrong with this take anon, especially since it's mostly just wholesome. But now you've got me thinking of a concept of lab assistant cream or tails trying to teach cream robotics. I mean gemerl is like her butler and older brother, she should be able to fix him even if just enough to get him to tails and others.I also like this idea of how tails would view cream. I imagine many aren't interested in what he does. Sonic respects it but he's all about the now so devices and tech were never his strong suit, knuckles is into the old ways and brute force he'd never want to or care to learn much about any new devices or mechanics. So tails and cream hanging out as he tries to teach her some of his tips and tricks sounds like fun. Cream could be like belle but better because not belle lol
>>145734427i'm not trying to find a common ground i'm trying to call you a fucking loser. "sonic looked at vector. OMG BESTIES!!!!!!!!!!!" it's pathetic how weak your generation's fucking standards for characterization are. you like it JUST because it's sonic. you aren't actually CAPABLE of analyzing what you're looking at in any real media way.
>>145737167>I'm not trying to discuss, I'm just spergingWell, a part of me kind of knew it, but I'll rather give the benefit of the doubt. Very well, you do you, anon.
>>145734476"Size Difference" is a based tag But not as based as "Age Difference"
>>145737223What if it was both?
>>145737205it's so impossible to get a point across when the guy on the other end is filtering your posts through google translate...
>>145737240“Now…let me tell you like this here. I like you-““You shit talk me all the time!“-and I want you.”“What? How? T-to do what shadow!?”“Now we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way: the choice is yours.”“TO DO WhAT shHadow?”“Oh. Oh I see you’re choosing the hard way.”Fox hunting indeed
>>145716840>is given an old color scheme for a women's business attire (see also picrel), establishing her as an older business professional>her ward/the lemur dresses drably and planly for an attention-seeking tomboyish young athleteHow old is this designer? How do they know 90s business fashion trends, but not what young athletes wear?
>>145737119Thanks, anon. I think your ideas are very wholesome too, and I've come across others that have similar ones.>Cream could be like belle but better because not belleHear, hear.
I wanna do creamy things with Cream
>>145737673Same but I want to do creamy things with Cream and her mom
>>145737678Ah, a fellow gourmet who knows cream tastes better with a few drops of vanilla.
>>145734907That fairy one looks like Blossom from IF
>>145734907>>145737109Does this mean JenHen signed away her rights to the character? I mean, I doubt Sega would ever allow a company to make the same blunder that Archie did.
>>145737929>Cream the rabbit?
>>145737958>By human man?
>>145716364>western artist: Megamilkers >official art: FlatWestern art superior.
>>145719770>she's better designed than both of them you conformist faggot>Hair covers her face at nearly every angleHer design is shit.
>>145716364Made to be boned by Vector.
>>145724031>*anon wakes up in the hospital*>anon: what-what happened?>doctor: oh, you woke up, Mr. anon, you had an overdose of cuteness.>anon: does that exist?>doctor: it's more common than you think, by the way, you're diabetic now.>anon: what?!
>>145725865>Shadow only accepted the babysitting job because no one wants to hire him and he has to pay rent for his cave.
>>145735365*Zooey
>>145737929what is Vanillas expression supposed to convey?
>>145716472>>145716495I'm convinced he was depicted that way as repentance for how he was depicted in the actual game, where he's just shown to be a random Eggman minion who seems lower on the totem pole than Metal Sonic.
>>145739050>I may be physically weaker than my daughter, and my imposing stare carries all the weight of an agitated ant, but if you take away my daughter's smile I will refer to you as a bad person, and you will live with that guilt.
>>145715813Somebody isn't familiar with American superhero media. Western creators always revert their characters back into the status quo in long-running franchises.
>>145739050She wants you think it twice before you do something you may regret
>>145735121the games are not DBZ, try again.
>>145739678>>145739840Okay, fair point. But what if I want to do it with Vanilla instead since I more into milfs.
>>145729813As if the garbage ass archieshit characters were any better.
>>145739882what is sonic frontiers?
>>145737657Thanks and yeah need more wholesome tails, though not against tails horny stuff just feels a bit oversaturated. I miss nice bro stuff of tails and sonic and the ole tails and big sister type stories that didn't immediately devolve into him getting molested.Yeah belle really just isn't doing it for me in IDW not terrible but not that great.
>>145736028I just got sent on vacation for that post so Tailsfag is here now, not that has ever stopped me, but rip this thread.
>>145734519Nobody, Tails is a total cuck in the series and anybody who says otherwise is a self-inserting faggot.
>>145740918>Tails is a total cuckThat's a fake meme and nothing more.It's more accurate to say Archie Tails was a simp, not a cuck.
>>145739922A bad game.
>>145740939>That's a fake meme and nothing more.Name ONE notable thing tails has done after Sa2 you can't. It's a downward spiral from there>It's more accurate to say Archie Tails was a simp, not a cuck.Im not talking about archie tails, im talking about main canon tails. And even if I was talking about him he's an even bigger loser in those comics than in the games.
>>145740968>Name ONE notable thing tails has done after Sa2 you can't.Deactivated the Whirrr machine in Lost World that was killing everyone and had a decent half-robo design>It's a downward spiral from thereNot even just a Tails problem, mostly everyone has been sidelined hard in the games since 06
>>145740968I suspect you don't know what "cuck" actually means.
>>145741108>Not even just a Tails problem, mostly everyone has been sidelined hard in the games since 06If we're talking about downward spirals, Knuckles has it way worse than Tails. Went from "just being there" to "not being there at all", there's no winning for him.
>>145740968Nta, but when I see cuck, I'm thinking in terms of Tails love life, which in game canon is non-existent. Tails did do stuff in the Advance and Battle series and he was the main engineer for the boats in Rush Adventure, 3D wise, outside of Heroes and Shadow (as he did have missions where you worked with him), he's just stands around until the plot needs him, like this anon gave an example for >>145741108. Now he DID fly Sonic across the planet in Unleashed and to the Lost Hex in Lost World, but that's it.
>>145739840So I should be doing both of them?
>>145715248why don't they age her up like nintendo did with tiny kong?
>>145741190>Cream given the Tiny Kong treatmentYes please.
>>145741190It was stupid when Nintendo did it and it'd be dumb here too.
>>145741255>Cream being physically aged up, but keeping her current mental age
>>145741128Yeah he had it bad too, there was a point when Knuckles legit had negative IQ and stealing the ME was a joke and he was the punchline
>>145741457Ah, the reverse Archie Charmy?
>>145715302I think it's more telling that he doesn't FEEL like a main character
>>145716229What’d they change it to?
>>145717526Rare case where the final design is miles better than the concept art.
>>145741537This one, which I can understand the reasons for the change, but I still would to the original one for sure.
>>145718356Your argument falls apart when one is a fucking sonic recolor
>>145715893Izuka don't you have a game to oversee
Shartchie bros... WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
>>145733654>Tails and a pedo would be a good shipArchie fags everyone
Personally for me it's Shadatch
>>145741795Well these were written by Ian Flynn.
>>145735121because golden age cartoons suck fucking ass? Sonic was more interesting when it WAS furry DBZ back in the late 90's and early 00's. the games and comics were both leaning into that shit and it was fucking kino and unpredictable. they actually were willing to do wild shit and not just circle the drain with "marketable products" for all eternity!!!
>>145739882the 90's and 00's games were. y'know, back when the franchise didn't come with qualifiers for if it was good or not.
>>145739904they unironically were. they actually felt like characters and not walking products. the game characters haven't felt like real characters since the early 00's. (heroes was the start of fucking over this franchise's image, and sonic x was the one two punch.)
>>145741965>>145741980Good thing those days are over.
>>145742028*bad thingthe franchise is pathetic now. it absolutely cannot stand up to mario anymore. go kill your parents.
>>145742043Yeah, thats a rational reaction.
>>145742061it's the correct reaction. fuck your generation. you have no taste or attention span. kill your parents.
>>145741795Ian Flynn needs to be fired
holy based buttcheeks!!!
>>145741867he marries mina and has a family in mobius 25 years later. y'know, when he's an adult cartoon fox?
>>145742121
>>145742290So, do they act like friends?
>>145742308do they ever casually fuck?
>>145741581Which means he’s an actual good representation of using clothes to convey a character
>>145742353No, Rouge only wants Knucles' four headed dick.
>>145742409girls have more than one hole for a reason.
>>145742409Nah. Knux is the only one who gets a response but in reality, Rouge flirts with everyone.
>>145740949According to who? It got good reviews and sold really well.
>>145742484>but in reality, Rouge flirts with everyone.Even with Omega I'll say
>>145725329How is Surge's silhouette not recognizable?
>>145737315They weren't designed by the same person
>>145742587If anything due to the lack of overlapping shapes it's one of the MOST recognizeable silhouettes.
So Sega just forgot this character exists, huh?
>>145742587Oh my god Iggy even has the half circle around his eyes too
>>145742653As expected. There is nothing memorable or unique about trip.
>>145742010>Cringefest characters with fanfiction.net quality writing Lmfao no, Archie had terrible writing and you should feel ashamed for deluding yourself that it's any better than garbage like 06. Heroes and X unironically had more bearable characters in them. Anything that contains antoine, shitheads like geoffery or completely unnessaecary characters like mina mongoose or penders' many echidna NFTS belongs in the garbage.
>>145742653aside from some fang shippers. everyone forgot
>>145742653she's pretty lame so yeah.
>>145742774sonic x and heroes are garbage with 1 dimensional shit writing and non-characters. get over yourself. the only reason you don't like archie is because people older than you liked it. you don't have an actual real opinion that you didn't borrow from someone else online.
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>>145742653She is daughter-fu material, very cute and wholesome, but ultimately, her design doesn't come off as unique or interesting to most people. I like her, but, hey, one person's opinion is basically pissing into a monsoon.If she had a cool, tough father-like guardian like Cream has her Mother, maybe Trip would get waaaaay more traction.
>>145742121is there a reason Rouge wants Shadow at Sonic's birthday party?
>>145742587>What defining traits does Surge have[...]?Let's see... Topknot tuft of hair... That's literally it.Then there's the bolt ons: her clothes, the piercings, the studded wristbands. You don't really get a sense of what Surge actually IS until someone tells you. From that silhouette, you could literally call her a punk duck and you'd be just as correct.Take Blaze. Even though this silhouette obscures one of her ears, like Surge's does, you still fundamentally recognise her as a cat, thanks to the head shape, ear shape on the ear we can see and the presence of a long tail. The kinked tail makes it more characterful and the rest is just accoutrements to accentuate what a cat can evoke. Cats are soft? Add fluffy anklets and wristbands. You don't have to go out of your way to explain how Blaze is a cat, whereas you would have to jump through numerous hoops to explain how Surge is supposed to be a tenrec.>>145742666Satan confirms; Surge is Iggy in drag.
>>145742904>You don't have to go out of your way to explain how Blaze is a cat, whereas you would have to jump through numerous hoops to explain how Surge is supposed to be a tenrec.Explain what animal this is
>>145742653The animated cutscenes made Trip cute.>>145742888This
>>145742823>NOOOO I CANT FATHOM PEOPLE NOT UNIVERSALLY LOVING MY COMIC SLOP YOU MUST HAVE A FAKE OPINION OR LISTENED TO A JEWTUBERSpoken like a true nostalgiafag. I read through the entirety of archie and half of it's run was fucking dogshit. All of the game characters were butchered by being either ooc or had a bunch of autism baggage lumped onto them for faux depth (Knuckles), or both. And almost all of the original characters were felt like they were ripped straight from a furry fanfiction shoe horned into sonic centric story. Don't get me started on how the series completely shat the bed with the Sa1 and 2 arcs and ruined gamma and shadow's characters. X had it's problems with it's adaptations but at least it didn't delve into full on character assassination.
>>145741795Fleshing out a character, ever heard of it? Gun Commander finally has a name and it might as well be Abraham Tower, it’s a good name. Literally the same deal back when Sega was like “Okay fine, Robotnik is a good name”. Grow up. >>145742107Out of all the things he should/could be let go for, this is not one of them. >>145742121Based. >>145742290Ian is actually cooking something good again, what the fuck? I always loved Omega more in Archie, bringing in more of that personality is something I NEVER thought was going to happen, but here it is. I also didn’t think I was going to get good Team Dark moments like this anytime soon. I NEED MORE AND I NEED IT NOW>>145742353They probably do. Hell, I’m headcanoning it. >>145742904She probably wants him to socialize more. Considering that Ian is writing this and he seems to be taking the Post Reboot Archie Team Dark approach, this is a Rouge that genuinely cares about Shadow.
>>145742888>She is daughter-fu material, very cute and wholesomeSo basically just cream the rabbit again. This is why this franchise gets mocked for it's characters.
>>145742988Cute and wholesome is bad?
>>145743006When it's completely irrelevant? Yes.
>>145742988There aren't that many kid characters and Trip has the potential to be a bit on the grittier side if she was paired with a father figure. But yeah, SEGA is ran retards, big shock.
>>145743019Trip doesn't have any potential at all, even the game she stars in barely makes an effort to characterize her beyond being clumsy and shy, we don't even know what her full story is.
>>145743006Yes when your character is not special and has no unique traits. Amy, Cream and Tails already fit the "wholesome 100 cute chungus friend" roles in the series. Trip is 100% an unnessaecary character and is just another dead weight in sonic's yet another generic friend luggage. Praise for this slop is why we have garbage like jewel the beetle in the franchise.
here's Trip's concept art btw
>>145743019>There aren't that many kid characters Tails, Cream, Charmy, Marine......
>>145743044I know, it's frustrating, but SEGA when it comes to world building these days suffered a stroke back when Ken Penders sued them for bullshit reasons and they never recovered since.Trip just doesn't have the right people looking after her I think.
>>145743122Tails and Charmy are aged up in a lot of the games even though yes, they are technically kids. Marine too to some extent. Cream and Trip seem to be the only actual kids that act like kids or at least make it seem believable.
Reminder that with Trip, they unironically pulled the "Oh it's this person we never ever have mentioned or slightly hinted at before! We're super great friends with them" card
>>145742901Because despite her flirtiness and less than trustworthy moments, she's a gal that cares, even gives Sonic the nickname of Big Blue.
>>145743149No? Amy befriending her and introducing her to the others clearly implies that this is the first time they've met her.
>>145743172They did it in a tailstube
>>145741867Barby is minor, just a few years older than Tails. Unfortunately, Steven Butler let his… tendencies with drawing female characters get the better of him and he drew her like a grown woman at first. That changed after her debut.
>>145742653Sega might still be clinging on to that dumb "Classic/Modern" separation, meaning we'll only see Trip is other 2D Sonic games set in the past or IDW comics about that timeframe.
>>145743184Tailstube and those other YouTube events are quite literally duct tape for this franchise lmao
>>145742928Long spines, pointed snout longer than Sonic's, portruding knuckles (claws) built for digging. The only thing wrong with the design is the fact that Knux has a long tail, something the echidna does not have in real life. However, they must've thought that there wasn't enough to differentiate Knux from Sonic without it, so they gave it to him. While you might not know the name of the animal at first, you would be able to surmise that it is at the very least hedgehog-adjacent.Now I flip it to you: Explain what animal Surge is.
>>145743218But they still did it. It's just hilarious how much they wanted us to like her by doing that
>>145743221>Explain what animal Surge is.A smelly one.
>>145743207They are, only difference is its all one timeline again. Classic characters exist somewhere in the Modern era, Sega just doesn't show them.
>>145742904>>145742666>Surge is Iggy in drag.Kek, they even have the same colors.
>>145743207>Sega might still be clinging on to that dumb "Classic/Modern" separationi hope not. it is and will always be a stupid separation that will just screw some characters over
>>145742966modernfag. "I'm loyal to modern sonic because it's my JOB." retardedry. no actual tastes, no actual opinions. "CHARACTER DIFFERENT THEREFOR AUTOMATICALLY BAD!!!!!!!"The games characters, ever since SA2, have been one dimensional faggot characters that aren't worth caring about. Knuckles isn't a character anymore. he's tails #2. amy isn't even a character anymore. now she's tails #3. these games have been written like shit for 20 fucking years.sonic is a furry series. cope.
>>145743218it's in a really sorry state, isn't it? Modernfags who pretend like the status quo of the last two decades is acceptable are the ones who aren't letting things get any better. they just buy the slop without thinking and then defend it online later because they feel like it's their job as 'fans'.
>>145743108I'm so glad they knocked out the seriousness, she would've been quite a bit worse. lol. If you're going to make a young kid Sonic character and want to add some edge, go with the Chad and Loli-Companion Trope.
I think his look is very neat. Just by it alone you already know what his deal is and that being evil sonic. Which is great. My only possible complaint is that his shoes aren't red but maybe thats what the glasses are for.
>>145743336Your opinion doesn't matter classicuck and I can already tell you never engaged with anything in this franchise outside archieshit in the and a few games. The characters have became more shallow, yes but they aren't literally fucking tails clones.>"CHARACTER DIFFERENT THEREFOR AUTOMATICALLY BAD!!!!!!!"Assuming you mean "New interpretation bad" then yes, the character portrayals in the comics for the most part are downgrades it's all quantity over quality. >sonic is a furry series. cope.t. delusional coombrain furfag. The franchise is for everybody and it sure as hell isn't intentionally aiming at the furry demographic. Archie most likely but those comics are garbage so it speaks for itself. archiefags and classictards will never beat "we don't even play our own games" allegations. Fucking hell.
if sonic looks like mickey mouse, then what's wrong with princess sally looking like chip & dale?
>>145743391>I think his look is very neat.His look reeks of "This is my Original the Character, Do Not Steal, he's Sonic but Evil and Way Past Cooler!"
>>145743336>>145743421Go back to sthg you're both faggots
>>145743221What hedgehog-adjacent has dreadlocks? His spines don't read as spines, they read as hair. They're a long Trunks hairdo.That's without getting into cases like Amy (what in her design reads as Hedgehog?) or Silver (what hedgehogs have... any of that?) or even more minor cases like Storm (an Albatross with a miniscule beak?)What you've proven is that Sonic, Tails, and Blaze have amazing designs, not that this is a standard every game character matches this mold. The cases where they look like the actual animal they're meant to be are the exception, not the norm.
>>145743421yes it is. they literally put out a cartoon today that shows off rouge's buttcheeks. >>145742121>Does this faggot actually think sonic frontiers was good writing?Point to the good writing. is it forces? is it lost world? is it colors? unleashed? how many decades back do we have to go before we hit a game with a good story? oh right, back to MY decade: sonic adventure 2. bitch.
>>145743436Yeah, pretty much.
>>145743447...or maybe we can get a Sonic only containment board? Oh wait, that'd probably kill a lot of the /v/, /vg/ and /co/ traffic, nvm.
>>145743436Not to mention the series already had anti/evil/rival sonic 4 fucking times in the series with shadow, knuckles, mecha and metal sonic. Now we have garbage shit like surge to add to the mix as well.
Has anyone posted bench tails ITT yet?
>>145743477blaze and silver were sonic rivals too.
>>145743436Leather jackets are cool and makes anything cooler.
>>145743436>>145743463Cringe-Kino is still kino though. Sonic needs more weird and interesting badguys. Every time Scourge was in the comic, some fucked up shit always happens. Also, he takes getting his ass kicked VERY well. He was a jobber, but his tenacity was awesome.
>>145743458>t-they showed a character's ass so that means its for me! And spongebob shows sandy in a bikini half the time when she's on screen but do you hear schizos saying its a furry aimed franchsie? No.>Point to the good writing. is it forces? is it lost world? is it colors? unleashed? how many decades back do we have to go before we hit a game with a good story? oh right, back to MY decade: sonic adventure 2. bitch.All of those games you have mentioned have better writing than archie though. Meta era garbage was shallow and cringe but id rather have shallow and cringe than cringe, convoluted and contrived. Praise for these shitty comics is the reason why we have hacks like ian still writing and trite like the IDW series. You can still feel the effects of archie on IDW with the restoration bullshit and crying lesbians ship tease garbage like tangle and whisper.
>>145743475Good chunk of people on /co/ will never admit that a lot of people here like Sonic and furry stuff and that Sonic threads are the one kind of thread that consistently reach the reply limit. >>145743493I’ll never understand how people like Scourge for his looks and his attitude. He’s a pathetic dude with daddy issues that literally got turned into a prison bitch who had to be rescued by his girlfriend who was going to ditch him anyway. That’s why I like Scourge. Ian did a great job with fleshing out a pointless Sonic opposite that Penders made and evolved him into someone struggling with an identity crisis who tried to gain as much power and as many kills as possible to be better and different from Sonic, only to be such a pathetic wimp in reality.
>>145743475Seeing how fucking awful /vp/ is I can only imagine how autistic and horrific a sonic containment board will be.
>>145743541>All of those games you have mentioned have better writing than archie though.>ForcesForces was Sega’s attempt at doing Archie/SatAM and everyone fucking hated it because of how bad it was. Archie and SatAM stuff at least still has a solid positive hold in the fandom and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Even with Gen Alpha.
>>145743566A Sonic Containment board would be absolutely disgusting, but entertaining as fuck. My kind of jam.
>>145743541There's only 12 fucking characters in these games so one of them having a giant fucking ass means more than you think it does.>le comics le badI'm sure you've actually read any of them, drone.All of the games i listed are shit garbage and wouldn't be able to stand up to any criticism against any other franchise or story from any other medium. sonic no longer has peers. he rides the fucking shortbus to videogames school. he takes special ed while mario is in the honors classes. you're just defending this shit because you made it your fucking loyalty job and you don't have anything to actually say beyond pejoratives. you don't have an opinion, you just have a chip on your shoulder.
>>145743625I think the horrors that would form within a containment board would far outweigh any amusing qualities. I would even gander it would become far worse than /b/ has ever been.
>>145743590>Forces was Sega’s attempt at doing Archie/SatAM and everyone fucking hated it because of how bad it was.Bad stories are decended from bad concepts?! Woah who would have thought?>Archie and SatAM stuff at least still has a solid positive hold in the fandom and will continue to do so for the foreseeable futureAlways was a vocal minority from gen x fags. When talk about sonic 9 times out of 10 it's either the classic or adventure games. Nobody in this day and age gives a crap about a licensed video game cartoon with a sonic skin over it. There is a good reason why rally for sally flopped>Even with Gen Alpha. KEK, LMAO. I bet you all the money in the world elementary age kids give a shit let alone even know what archie or satam is. The only likely way they would discorver anything from that is though EXE slop which is already cringe of itself. Kids these days only talk about Sonic boom and Sonic X and Aosth has it's YTP legacy and memes.
>>145743565Furry stuff like Sonic is only going to get more and more popular and the dark cracks of the internet can only hold so much cringe-kino energy before it bursts. SEGA is sitting on a goldmine. A goldmine covered in a thick black slime of Chad Autism, but a goldmine nonetheless.
>>145743629>Colors, Unleashed>Shit garbage Cringe taste
>>145743673Colors is good. Unleashed is half good, half trash.
>>145743649Gen Z literally grew up on Archie, not just Millennials. Gen Alpha Sonic fans will continue to stumble upon that older stuff and will pick it up. It persists for a reason. There’s very good stories and character arcs to be had that are hard to ignore, despite the shitty parts of the comic. It’s through that redeeming quality that Americanized Sonic still has a strong presence today. This is the truth no matter if you like it or not.
>>145743642Then don't make it a blue board and only make it Sonic related. It then becomes a "Sonic /b/".
>>145743698is this rotorfag
>>145743649satam was a great concept. sonic fights a nazi version of robotnik with expanded versions of the flickies as actual characters. what makes something bad or not is the EXECUTION, not the CONCEPT. are you one of those faggots that thinks "ideas are precious"???there's fangamers, fan animators, and fan comics about satam because it was a good sonic cartoon and people enjoyed how much depth it had to it. the sonic franchise actually mattered between 1992 and 2002. your entire lifespan has been worthless garbage with the only flicker of kino being sonic mania, a game that zoomers like to pretend is bad because "green hill zone is in it".Sonicfans will fawn over any new character, regardless of how it looks. They could introduce a new character that's just princess sally but with a different name and then gen alpha and zoomers would eat it up. no real opinions. no attention span. worthless.satam and archie have alot of legacy, but you have to actually look at what people in the community are making, and not just bitch at randos on 4chan about how much you hate anything people like spending time and energy on. no one interacts with awful shitheads like you so of coarse you don't know shit about what people are interested in. you just have your little hole in the wall that no one cares about.
>>145743673colors is trash, unleashed would be okay without werehog, but even then the writing is lame. chip is a shit character too.
>>145743698Gen Z grew up with meta era slop. None of them gave a shit about archie. The comics were only followed by terminally online older fans
>>145743629>There's only 12 fucking characters in these games so one of them having a giant fucking ass means more than you think it does.Looney toons has this shit too but is it a franchsie for furries? No. Keep coping>I'm sure you've actually read any of them, drone.Drone? I thought you said everybody likes the archie comics..... Wouldn't I be the one with the non npc opinion?>All of the games i listed are shit garbage and wouldn't be able to stand up to any criticism against any other franchise or story from any other medium.They're garbage because there stories are bad? Seriously? Imagine prioritizing story over prioritzing good gameplay. This is why this franchise fell in a dark age during the 2000's.>sonic no longer has peers. he rides the fucking shortbus to videogames school. he takes special ed while mario is in the honors classesAnd I agree! woah we actually agree with something! but archieshit getting canned isn't the reason why this franchise has it's problems. The comics were made fun of by everybody under the sun during the late 2000's sonic hate train by e-celebs and jewtubers. Ever wondered where the "sonics shitty friends" meme came from?
>>145743762>>145743813Reported for spam
>>145743733>what makes something bad or not is the EXECUTION, not the CONCEPT.And satam fails at the execution by being a boring slog of a show with shitty characters like antoine and lame environments that are a far cry from the zones in the classic games. You know... The shit the show is supposed to advertise? >there's fangamers, fan animators, and fan comics about satam Ohhh really? Because 90% of sonic fangames are classic genesis adjacent, exe or boostshit. Heck fucking Boom, OVA and X sonic got SRB2 mods before any dedicated satam stuff. Most satamshit online is mostly bad fanfictions.
>>145743842>Announcing a sage
>>145743762if you saw the staff who worked on recent looney toons project (Andrew Dickman and his crew), they're furries bro. looney toons is ABSOLUTELY big furry town. We don't even have to bring in Lola Bunny but she absolutely was the gateway drug, you insecure ignorant retard.I never said anything about an "everyone". you don't even remember the conversation. you just repeat the same loops over and over.they're garbage games AND they have garbage stories and garbage characters. The original question was about if sonic games story and characters are any good. spoilers: not in a long fucking time. trying to change the subject when i can just click the previous post chain and remind myself what was brought up when doesn't win you an argument.It's in the dark ages NOW. it's the fucking DRY Ages. The STALE BREAD ages.sonic's shitty friends meme is because of sonic heroes, child. people weren't making fun of the comics, they were making fun of sonic heroes and sonic 06. both of those games were extremely unpopular. those same jewtubers would talk about how much they liked satam and the comics they grew up with and how hot princess sally was. nobody gives a fuck about charmy the fucking bee or silver the hedgehog, though.Also, the heyday of the comics and cartoons were genesis, saturn, and dreamcast years. this was when sonic was generally a beloved franchise. sonic getting made fun of started with sonic heroes after the dreamcast died. that was the start of "Sonic Sucks Shit". The Adventure Games were well regarded in the years they came out (1999-2001)
>>145743454And Sonic's spines aren't meant to be read as hair in the same way? Come on now.The point being argued was the philosphy behind the designs of the characters introduced in different Sonic media. The characters introduced via the games - at least in the early days - were designed based on the principle of being unique first *without any external design quirk added on top, like clothing and accessories*. Something like a jacket or goggles or mask or whatever the fuck should only be enhancing what's already present and not be the entire basis of the design. Whether or not a character has a GOOD design is wholly subjective.
>>145743870There is a considerable number of fan games, comics, and animation projects out there that focus on SatAM/Archie. You don’t know what you are talking about.
>>145743870satam was extremely popular and got tons of kids into the series. sally and bunnie even got girls to like the series, too! (Back when the only games characters were sonic, tails, and robotnik)90% of sonic fangames are a demo that never gets finished. fangamers are gonna just copy something as their early projects and rarely will they make it beyond that.There were satam mods in srb2 back in the old days lol. there is someone making a sally + nicole and it looks really good. there's also alot of them for SRB2kart.
>>145743958even naoto ohshima gave an approval and even a thank you sketch of sonic and sally to the s3ason team making that project.
>>145743952>if you saw the staff who worked on recent looney toons project (Andrew Dickman and his crew), they're furries bro. looney toons is ABSOLUTELY big furry town. We don't even have to bring in Lola Bunny but she absolutely was the gateway drug, you insecure ignorant retard.Holy fucking schizo babble.>sonic's shitty friends meme is because of sonic heroes, child. people weren't making fun of the comics, they were making fun of sonic heroes and sonic 06. both of those games were extremely unpopular. those same jewtubers would talk about how much they liked satam and the comics Now you're just making shit up, everybody was making fun of those and how many characters they had and the fact they took themselves too seriously. Why do you think everybody makes fun of the penders echidnas, the ugly art and the microwaving baby knuckles scene? >and how hot princess sally was.Also ridiculed just like rouge who was a punchline of the "bat with boobs" joke journos ran into the mud. There's also the sally sex doll made with actual human bones and richmunk. Sally acorn is the epicenter of all things wrong with the fanbase.
>>145743954And surge already has that- a recognizable topknot and color scheme. About as much as Amy or Silver have
>>145743958There isn't a single notable popular fangame about archieshit or satam. I don't know what kind of dimension or timeline you're from but I sure don't want to go there.
>>145744022Funny that you mention that, I found out about this a few days ago: https://x.com/NaotoOhshima/status/1736603268250525915Ohsima acknowledging and accepting the American stuff blew my mind lmao
>>145744022The dude also liked Sonic x Tails shota softcore pornography on xitter. Looks like he doesn't care about sonally eh?
>>145744112>Japanese creator from a society where you're heavily encouraged to only speak if polite and positive about other people and to never directly say no because it is embarrassing to the person who suggested what's being said no to twists to say something positive about a licensed cartoon he had no say over done decades agoWow, mindblowing
>>145743958Why did rally 4 sally flop then?
>>145744136The usual response from Sega folk are to just ignore this stuff. The fact that he acknowledged it and publicly did so speaks volumes.
>>145744082>The dude also liked Sonic x Tails shota softcore pornography on xitter.Wait what the fuck.
>>145744145Rally4Sally flopped because it was the bf of the line for that stuff. Penders lawsuit would happen and Sega of Japan was dead set on making sure that Americanized Sonic never had that much influence again, and SOA was more or less on board with that objective in the end. The age of Archie stuff is pretty much over but even so, it is wrong to deny the influence and presence it had within the franchise as a whole for many years.
>>145744171meant for >>145744128
>>145744091But then the question becomes, what is she? Without being physically told she's a tenrec, what is Surge? Is she a hedgehog? No, because she has rounded ears. Is she then a ferret? No, because she has no visibly long tail or something. Is she a hamster? Might as well be, right? And the silhouette, as I pointed out, could very well portray a duck thanks to her hairstyle. You get no such confusion in design philosophy from Silver, because he's shown to as much hedghog as Sonic. Arguably more, because he has the soft tuft on his chest which evokes the soft underbelly a hedgehog actually possesses.
>>145744184But it fizzled out and died because not enough people in the fandom cared. Heck you even saw some push pack against the movement too. Not everybody wants sally getting shoehorned into the franchise and ruining sonic's character once again.
>>145744220Not everyone does, no. I’m one of them. If anything, Sally and the Freedom fighters at most could exist as a separate group in the world that Sonic could visit for one game and then be on his way at the end of it. That’s the most I could ever ask for from the main continuity and I would see it as sweet send off for me and other Archie fans. Injecting the FF into the main cast is just too much and would require erasing what makes each of the characters what they are, inflicting Sonic. The Archie characters are only good for a temporary cast or for being in their own continuity. I doubt Sega is ever going to authorize another alt continuity comic so my hope is that certain characters will get to live on in a minor way somehow.
>>145744193Ok, so then the question returns to how does Amy display any of those traits? You say "why is it weird she has hair, Sonic has hair", but then it means in terms of shape it no longer looks like hedgehog quills. She doesn't even get back spines either.Silver also literally only works by using Sonic as reference. Otherwise, he has nothing of a hedgehog- hedgehogs don't have forehead crests, and while you say "soft underbelly", the soft underbelly of a hedgehog is specifically of a different color, which is why it's a skin-colored patch like in Sonic
>>145744279Including Sonic*
now. what have we learned from this thread?
>>145744323The soft underbelly of a hedgehog is also much softer than its spines. Which is why it makes more sense for it to be a clearly soft tuft than a patch of bare skin. But that's my personal opinion on that matter and does not in any way detract from Sonic's design philosophy. And as for Silver? Well, that's your personal opinion on the matter, isn't it? Take away his crest, he seems bare compared to the other hedgehogs. Could they have incorporated that design element in a more natural fashion? Sure.Amy, at least classically, is girl Sonic. Modern Amy? Amy's spines clearly lay flat. When do a hedgehog's spines lay flat? In a female, when they mate. What is Amy's ultimate goal, in the broadest and most derivative possible terms of her character? Mate with Sonic. But this is only me performing a workable analysis and not indicative of what the designer was going for. However, let's not forget that of the "spined animal Mobians" with a hairstyle, the tips of their hair are pointed in a way that others are not, or at least not deliberately.
>>145744494That sometimes, we can even agree with each other on certain points in these threads.
>>145744494Well I learned that evidentially a thread with Cream in the OP image doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a Cream centered thread.
>>145744494Cream makes threads hit bump limit?
>>145744494Vanilla best girl
>>145744494That Sonic has an autistic fanbase. So, nothing new.
