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>EXCLUSIVE: Here’s a really cool project that just got greenlit at DC Studios and Warner Bros Pictures Animation: Dynamic Duo.

>Dynamic Duo is the first joint project between DC Studios and the Bill Damaschke led WBPA.

>The 6th & Idaho movie scripted by Matthew Aldrich is being made by a new animation studio out of New Orleans, LA called Swaybox by the studio’s husband and wife creators Arthur Mintz and Theresa Andersson. Mintz will direct this movie which follows the early days of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd aka the Robins. The duo call themselves the Dynamic Duo. They’re orphan thieves, best friends who share dreams of a better life, but their friendship will be tested by competing visions of a future out of which will come a new Dynamic Duo….
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>Note the storyline here isn’t connected to the Matt Reeves Batman and Penguin canon.

>Swaybox uses a technology “Momo Animation” which is a cross between CGI animation, practical elements of stop-motion, and live-action real-time performance. The result is long-form storytelling that is billed to be visually breathtaking, dynamically expressive, and more human.

>Producers on Dynamic Duo DC Studios’ James Gunn and Peter Safran, Swaybox Studios’ Andersson and 6th and Idaho’s Matt Reeves. EPs include Michael Uslan.

>Beamed Reeves, “I have wanted to make a film with Arthur and Swaybox for many years, and for that film to be Dynamic Duo, an incredibly special and unique Batman and Robin story for families, is a dream.”
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>Co-founder and co-CEO of Swaybox Studios, Mintz, is a graduate of Columbia University. He was hired by animation legend Joe Ranft to work in the storyboard department on James and the Giant Peach. He was one of the contributing writers of Moonbot Studios’ Lost Ollie which went on to win multiple Emmy’s for Netflix. Mintz has directed many award-winning puppet theater productions.

>Andersson, co-founder and co-CEO of Swaybox Studios, moved to New Orleans from Sweden when she was 18 years old to pursue a career in music. Andersson became known around the world as a performer and composer while touring her innovative one-woman looping show, a collaboration with Arthur Mintz inspired by the one-man puppet show. Andersson has performed on Late Night with Conan O’Brien and The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. She has been Mintz’ producing partner since 2009.

https://deadline.com/2024/10/dynamic-duo-movie-robins-dc-1236105077/
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Muppetchads we're back
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T-tim bros...
they mock us.
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tim drake ceased to exist since he was used by flag people huh
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>>145719032
Not what I expected for a Robin animated movie. I would've done a loose adaptation of "Battle for the Cowl". Nightwing, Robins (Tim and Steph) fighting Jason (Batsuit version).
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Incoming kino
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>>145719032
He won, apologize.
https://youtu.be/hFfQhVgQU44?t=94
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>>145719032
>The duo call themselves the Dynamic Duo. They’re orphan thieves, best friends who share dreams of a better life, but their friendship will be tested by competing visions of a future out of which will come a new Dynamic Duo….
So Transformers One with Batman characters
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>>145719032
>Animated film for Dick Grayson and Jason Todd.
>Batman Brave and the Bold is likely using Damian Wayne.
Time to laugh at Timfags again
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>>145719032
I'll just ignore it.
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>>145719032
>"Sorry Tim, DC needs someone to draw some dimes. Nothing personal."
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>>145719888
this, no tim, no watch
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>>145719032
>They’re orphan thieves, best friends who share dreams of a better life
Kek they have to force Dick into a Jason movie
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>>145719168
He ceased to exist when he stopped being the only option to have Robin while keeping Nightwing (and Red Hood) around.
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I hate that the robins as a bad is just all the characters lumped together over being individuals now.
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>>145720032
Jason is the clear Michaels here, and Dick is the Jannetty.
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>>145719032
>Mintz will direct this movie which follows the early days of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd aka the Robins. The duo call themselves the Dynamic Duo.
These might as well be OCs. Why is warners obsessed with making everything different from the ground up instead of doing 1:1 adaptations? Why is michael uslan such a massive egotistical faggot?
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can I get a JUST jason todd project without a billion other robbins as well?
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>>145719032
Do I really have to stomach Dick Grayson to get my Jason Todd fill?
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>>145719032
THE SKY IS CLOAKED IN CRIMSON HUES
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>>145719611
>a shit film but with batman
I hope not.
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>>145720598
but you already have that in spades
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I feel so bad for him.
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>>145720718
Exactly. Why do we need another one?
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>>145720178
Kind of sounds like Jason's origin is the basis here and Dick is just getting moved so they can coexist in a single movie as contrast to each other.
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>>145720185
>can't I just get a movie about the character who made Robin a legacy role without acknowledging his predecessor?
No.
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Animation studio's reel. Mention of puppets threw me off at first but I think I can see the vision watching this.

https://www.swayboxstudios.com/reel
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>>145720946
The nighttime stuff looks excellent
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>>145720946
Okay, now I wanna see this. The Iron Giant recreation is probably how the movie is going to look like.
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>>145720946
it looks visually pretty good but the writing is probably going to be on the gutter
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>puppets
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>>145719032
P U P P E T R Y
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>>145720882
But Dick is lame as hell.
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>>145719032
>"3D PUPPET PALS, 3D PUPPET PALS, LOTS OF FUN FOR GUYS AND GALS"
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>>145719032
>the early days of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd aka the Robins. The duo call themselves the Dynamic Duo. They’re orphan thieves, best friends who share dreams of a better life, but their friendship will be tested by competing visions of a future out of which will come a new Dynamic Duo….
That.. seems odd. Why not have Dick as the first Robin moving on and Jason as the new Robin? I think it's a pretty good period. As much as I like Tim... well the original Tim... I am fine with just Jason and Dick. I don't get why they mix up the timeline and make them both Robins or have them share an origin. Would rather see a Nightwing and Robin movie.
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>>145720882
Yes, you can. To Jason, Dick is less important than Tim.
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>>145721146
I'm thinking more like this
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>>145719032
What is it about Jason's origin that audiences find better than Dick's?
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>Nightwing and Red Hood teaming up is a pitch that sells itself on any medium
>People are already familiar with their origin story so no need to rehash it for an entire film
>Scrap that to make Transformers ONE with two street kids

What the hell is WB thinking?
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FYI the stuff about them being thieves got removed from the article and places are now saying that detail of the plot was wrong.
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>>145721370
>To Jason, Dick is less important than Tim
lmao
Fuck Scott Lobdell
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>>145721600
Did they provide the correct story?
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>>145719168
Once you go rainbow, you get pigeonholed as a diversity point for life. Look at how quickly Alan Scott was reduced to "old gay man"
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>>145721600
kek
Imagine if they try to make Dick and Jason into the Super Sentai leader and rebel types for fujos to go wild over, coupled with fighting about if they'd count as brothers or not.
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>>145721612
Dick was barely there for him, Tim is the guy who filled the vacuum left by Jason.
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>>145721612
Dude, Lobdell literally wrote a story about how Dick inspired kid Jason
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>Matthew Aldrich (“Coco,” “Lightyear”) is writing the film, which will be produced by Matt Reeves’ production company 6th & Idaho — but the story will be separate from Reeves’ ongoing Gotham-verse with “The Batman” and “The Penguin.” Instead, it will depict how the friendship between Grayson and Todd as youths becomes tested by their diverging ideas for what their future should be. (Reports that the characters will begin as a pair of thieves in the film were false.) In the DC comics, after their respective stints as Batman’s sidekick, Robin, Dick becomes the superhero Nightwing, while Jason transforms into the violent vigilante Red Hood.
The Lightyear part is probably the worst part, but the dude was one of three writers under Disney.
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>>145721612
>Fuck Scott Lobdell
Yeah, no. Jason hates Tim as much as he hates the clown.
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>>145719032
Timsisters… they mock us.
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>>145721770
Geoff Johns should've had Tim get teabagged in the face during their fight. That's the true trauma, not the beating or the "JASON WUZ HERE" on the wall.
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>>145721793
That fight was brutal for what it was. I actually felt bad for Tim by the end of it.
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Chances they'll paint Jason as being in the wrong for wanting to avenge his own murder?
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>>145719611
I think the movie will probably end with Jason's death, then the post credits sting would be his body going to the Lazarus.
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>>145719032
Sounds like someone just saw that Gotham by Gaslight Robins cameo and said "OK but take Tim out and make it 90 minutes".
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So we all agree that Jason is the actual draw here?
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>>145722519
>>145721754
This is the actual premise. The thief was an inaccuracy.
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>>145720718
Cut 30 minutes from this and it's perfect
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>>145721434
People only like the Red Hood shit, no one cares about Jason as a Robin.
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>>145722546
I quite liked those bits of him as Robin in UtRH. Was fun watching his slow descent to violence as the job got to him
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>>145722546
Bullshit, the fall of Jason’s optimism and tragedy of dying young as Robin is a big part of the draw you retard.
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>>145722546
You’re a fucking idiot. Jason being Robin is the most important part of his character and what makes Red Hood so interesting.
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NOOOOO DICKBROS WE WERE USED TO HAVE OUR OWN MOVIE WHY DOES HE HAVE TO SHARE WITH JASON
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>>145719032
They will literally go out of their way to make movies about every last member of the Bat side of DC before they'd ever pick a relative unknown that might actually do well with general audiences.
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>>145723217
I’ll take this over shit like Kite-Man
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Tim is unnecessary.
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I FUCKING love puppets. I'm in.
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>>145720791
Me too.
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>the DCU is just an excuse for Gunn to embezzle money from warner, cynically give jobs to his friends and shit all over the DC universe
hate to see it. at least Snyder made something shallow but cool. this guy is just going to be obnoxious.
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Jason is the draw here, Dick’s association with the Titans declines his value.
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>>145723524
Honestly pretty based on Gunn tbqh. Might as well suck out all the cash you can and spread it around before DC/WB completely implodes due to its unbelievably incompetent leadership.
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>>145720946
This is simultaneously surreal, unnerving, and goddamn captivating. I couldn't even tell it was puppetry for a good chunk of it, it's utterly fascinating to watch in motion.

It kinda reminds me of those recent Disney animatronics, I'm glad to see something similar actually be used for a movie.
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>>145722546
Depends on the type of fan and where on the internet for Jason's fandom, tho I will say Jason's street urchin origin seems to be liked by dc writers. what with BTNA using it for tim drake and that penguin show having a oc similar to young jason.
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>>145720946
Shit. This might actually work.
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>>145719032
What a hilarious twist considering how much Dick fans and Jason fans hate each others. The fact that it's animated makes me kind of excited for it.

Hopefully, this will make DC actually bother to push Jason in comics instead of just focusing on Dick and Damian.
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>>145724735
It does make me feel more confident that DC will announce a book for Jason soon.
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You people are misunderstanding. The movie isn't about Dick and Jason as dynamic due, it's about Batman and Robin (aka Bruce and Dick/Bruce and Jason). It's an origin story for both of them before they became Nightwing and Red Hood.
>“I have wanted to make a film with Arthur and Swaybox for many years, and for that film to be Dynamic Duo, an incredibly special and unique Batman and Robin story for families, is a dream,” Reeves said
>>145724735
Yeah, I'm hoping this will make DC push Jason which about time.
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>>145724973
Yeah, Deadline has completely changed the article and it seems like they have made a mistake.
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>>145722523
>his smile and optimism gone
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>>145720946
Okay then, I was not expecting that. I'm actually intrigued to see how this movie's going to look now.
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>>145724973
>>145725023
So, the synopsis is wrong?
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>>145725160
Seems so because deadline has completely removed it. Gunn described the movie as origin story for Dick and Jason and their early days as Robins and Reeves added that it's Batman and Robin story. I think Jason and Dick might appear in the upcoming Batman and Damian movie so this movie probably exists to explain them.
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>>145719032
Do they hate Tim?
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>>145725219
He at least got to appear in that batfamily game, but DC might give up on him at this point.
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This is it. James, Matt you have one job.
Ginger Jason

>>145725219
Going to be Cass' gay friend since James likes Cass
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>>145725266
And Cass and Tim as gays together.
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>>145725278
Kek, she already looks like a dyke in the comics anyway. I think one comic even hinted at her and Steph being a thing.
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>>145723784
This is what they’re doing

https://youtu.be/1eQ8LUj2rEw?si=ls939onKtr2JMjPh
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>>145725517
No it's not
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>>145725266
>ginger Jason causes the Pre-Crisis fans or those with Morrison trauma to throw hands in a thread
>profit
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>>145724973
Huh. The made up plot actually sounds more interesting than what we're getting.
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>>145725182
I read somewhere that Gunn likes N52 Outlaws (and apparently, a Titans movie is a thing?) so it possible that the Robin movie is a thing to introduce Dick and Jason so they can appear as Nightwing and Red Hood in the brave and the bold movie before they are given their own movies RHATO and Titans.
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>>145719032
Cool
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>>145725219
TIM IS FUCKING BORING, GET OVER IT.
EACH ROBIN HAS A UNIQUE CHARACTER AND A MASSIVE IMPACT ON BATMAN PERSONALLY.
TIM IS JUST THE SMART ONE, WHICH IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE ALL THE ROBINS ARE SMART. FUCK OFF
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>>145726002
Tim will probably just be the gay one limited to a cameo with Bernard somewhere.
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Will this be for kids or manchildren?
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>>145726605
>Jason
Kids, manchildren hate Jason.
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>>145726605
It's a family movie.
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>>145720063
Tim's Death was one of a thousand cuts, being the robin that was never meant to graduate, damian existing, media stealing Tim traits for Dick's Robin and finally designating him as the gay Robin. The complete and utter destruction of Tim Drake was inevitable
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>>145726656
So no pimps ""falling"" off balconies then
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>>145726787
Not to mention how TNBA Tim was already him in name only, and being based more off Jason.
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>>145720946
What the fuck is TiNK? Some sort of black magic? It looks really good.
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>>145721360
I immediately thought this when I read the film synopsis, like they're not even gonna be Robin for most the movie?
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>>145726928
It’s falsely reported information it seems
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>>145726803
That’s not true
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>>145727712
Name some character traits where TNBA Tim resembles his comic self(by then an 8 year old character with multiple stories and a 50+ issue solo) .
They're nothing alike. TNBA Tim acts like a little kid and comics Tim was a mature 13-14 year old
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>>145727919
Jason acted like a little kid then?
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>>145728079
Yes. He was pretty young after all.
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>>145728079
YES.
Before Starlin made him a punk kid in his last year, Jason's whole deal was being a nice , wholesome kid Robin.
>but he was a thief!
He was the nicest street urchin thief ever. Oliver Twist would think he was a little too soft.
His post-Crisis origin is a homage to Dick Tracy Jr. He wasn't meant to be a realistic street kid, he was a very metastasized version of one.
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>>145728079
nobody reads Jason's robin run
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All I want is some respect for Tim
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>>145729351
Respect is earned
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>>145728827
Because it sucks? Or because it’s irrelevant?
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>>145731057
Because you fags don’t read comics
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>>145727062
Really? So what's the movie really about then? Do we not know?
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>>145731267
Read the thread.
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>>145723217
Are you fucking retarded? Gunn is the guy who gave a literal who one of the best capeshit shows as of late. We're getting a fucking Creature Commandos thing dude, and you're here saying they're not picking unknown characters
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>>145719032
>no tim
>gimmick style
lol pass
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>>145723524
>Snyder made something shallow but cool
>cool
Ok rajeet, calm down.
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https://x.com/DCFilmNews/status/1841251671780827361

I have no idea how this what is and isn't CGI or a Puppet or if this isn't just one big animatronic, but it looks cool
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>>145731095
But is it good or just standard? Whats the point in reading it if he just dies in the end?
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Their origins have nothing to do with each other. It feels so pointless outside just DC continuing to lump all the Robins together.
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>>145731966
https://x.com/DCU_Updates/status/1841254709069562346

They appear to be more animatronic than they puppets, I guess their bodies don't move via a mechanized system, but it's cool either way
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>>145719032
>”Man fuck this shit.”
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>>145720946
Shivering Truth ass animation and character design
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>more Tim fans upset over him getting shafted yet again than Jason fans happy he got something
Why do they shill this character over much more well known and li’ed ones again?
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>>145728507
>Before Starlin made him a punk kid in his last year, Jason's whole deal was being a nice , wholesome kid Robin
Which was also written by Starling? Why do you guys act he isn't responsible for 90% of wholesome chungus Robin stories as well?
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>>145732836
Truth be told, Tim has better material as Robin than Dick or Jason because he wasn't tied to Batman's hip all the time
t. Jasonchad
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>>145719032
>tfw Jason asked Steph to join him at the movie's premise and she said yes
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I'm only going to watch it for Jason.
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>>145733082
I never liked the belt on this
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>>145732899
>90%
That's a tall number.
Barr is more responsible for most of the cute Jason stories.
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>>145725517
Not even close. These still have the specific movements you can only get with puppetry.
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>>145731682
>no tim
>gimmick style
suddenly im interested
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>>145719607
If they don't incorporate the "hero music" into the OST at some point i'm gonna riot
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>>145719032
really, robin?
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>>145719032
>the early days of Dick Grayson and Jason Todd aka the Robins
why Jason Todd though?
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>After 25 years DC finally makes another dynamic duo movie
>The dynamic duo is Dick and Jason
The monkey paw curled.
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>>145734999
Jason Todd is a draw
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>>145734999
Because Dick’s a bit too much of a goody two-shoes to make things exciting on his own.
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Did Tim really get shafted because he's gay now
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>>145734999
Because Dick's claim to fame is just being the first Robin and the guy associated with the Titans. Personality wise, he's just a nice guy. Jason on the other hand has a distinct origin, a dramatic fall and rise story, and a rougher personality that's actually justified and an existence that puts Batman's entire purpose into question.
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>>145720946
I was like "eh, okay, whatever" at first. But this shit at the end is actually blowing my mind a little. Just from an engineering perspective this is ridiculously impressive.
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>>145735454
Imagine how this could be implemented into sex dolls.
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>>145719032
That fag who seethes about Jason in the Robin threads is probably seething like a motherfucker right now
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>>145735454
This feels more impressive than a disney Animatronics even though I know it isn't.
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>>145720946
Potential kino incoming.
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Can’t someone help him?
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>>145735531
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>145736305
What does he need help with?
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>>145719607
Come to think of it, I'm sort of surprised that no one ever points out that Joker 2 isn't the first theatrical musical that DC has done.
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>>145719189
>"Battle for the Cowl".
only virgins care about crap like this

>>145737745
>sort of surprised that no one ever points out
only virgins remember crap like that

>>145719721
>is likely using
only virgins don't know that

>>145720178
>instead of doing 1:1 adaptations
only virgins care about crap like that
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Bump
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it would be so awesome
it would be so cool
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>>145720946
I like a puppets
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I almost felt sad about Tim until I saw his fans seething hard over Jason. I mean, both Dick and Damian are getting something too so why are you upset about Jason in particular?
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>>145739297
Are they really seething about Jason? You would have assumed more people would seethe over Damian considering he’s just a Jason-lite.
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>>145739297
I said before that some Robin fans and Batgirl fans love to act like Jason is unworthy and beneath their favorites until they get hit hard by reality so their default response is seething. The best response to give them is ignoring them. Let them seethe.
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>>145739344
Cassfags and Babsfags are the worse the Batfam have to offer.
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>>145726002
>Gunn likes N52 Outlaws
If he brings that shit back and not the Dark Trinity I'm going to make it my life's mission to make everyone aware of him and his friend Huston Huddleston again
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>>145719032
I never understood why they thought a live action Robin in a Batman movie is so hard to make.
Just have him be a kid Batman is training to be his replacement and use him as a lock out if you are so upset about putting a kid in a dangerous criminal situation
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>>145739297
The worst Tim fans are the ones who seethe about pretty much everyone except the popular "acceptable" minority characters since they'd know they'd get their asses beat.
>Oh shi, can't rant about Duke, that's racist
>Cass is fine
>The Dickgirls will kill me
>Aims boiling fury to Jason, Stephanie and Damian can be bonuses
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>>145740593
do they hate jason cuz he a str8 yt boi?
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>>145740635
Some do but since he's poorer than Stephanie or Helena he's good, and then some dictate he's the honorary Blatino or Blasian of the family so that gives him cool points.
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>>145740795
>crack head mom
>criminal father
>poor
>violent
>he's soooooo afrolatinx coded~~~
are dc fans racist?
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>>145720565
THE SHADOW OF ROBIN ACROSS THE MOON
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Fuck yeah, puppets
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>>145740795
>>145740980
>he’s a criminal so of course he needs to be black, Latino or both!
These fandoms are fucking crazy
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>>145740551
>>145726002
He does

https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/C4iLYH8AEOY?hl=en
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>>145740980
You get plenty backhanded racist ones, or those wanting the cope to have more black guys besides Duke, Luke, and the guy that died in War Games that only a few care about to ree over and blame Stephanie for.
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>>145741732
Chance of a Jason Todd movie but it'll probably involve the All Caste. Well aint that a monkeys paw.
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>>145739344
>>145739297
Bat fandom think since Dick is the first, anything he get is within his right so they don't dare to complain about him or attack him (which is one of the reasons why Dick fans hate Jason and his fans so much because they are the only ones in the bat fandom who dare to mock him). The girls are off limit because you would be called misogynist if you dare to sat anything about them (though, their fans use 4chan as a chance to attack each other hiding behind anonymity). Tim is homo so you are a homophobic if you dare to hate on him (not sure why would anyone would be afraid of being called that, but oh well). Damian and Duke are "minority" so of course you are racist if you hate them (which is why you usually see Tim fans complain about Damian here compared to other places despite being the one they hate the most) which leaves Jason unprotected and an easy target. Don't be surprised to see Helena fan or Kate fan randomly attacking Jason just because while they don't dare to do it with the others.
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>>145742313
>All Caste
All that convoluted lore for something that he has used like 5 times
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>>145742547
I don't think there's anything convoluted about it. It's a cool and unique idea for Jason that actually should be used more.
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>>145742427
DC fanbase is in general a complete mess. I heard that DC made a discord thingy or whatever it's called and it was a disaster.
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>>145742579
It's cool I just think it's funny how little he uses the all blades
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>>145742427
>>145742595
What about DC that attracts more cringe than Marvel?
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>>145742595
>discord
Did kids get groomed?
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>>145742603
Marvel has their fair share of insanity, but DC has it worse because they have so many legacy characters who are stepping on each other's toes.
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>>145742427
No kidding, they actually hate on Jason for being straight.
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>>145742599
They'll eat his soul if he keeps using them so probably best some avoid that elephant
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>>145742652
And if they see anyone making him gay with Roy, it's on sight. Well, Jayroy's bad but it does get the Dickfans rustled in all the ways.
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>>145742427
Lmao, are they actually treating the fandom like a kingdom and Dick is the crown prince? And Jason is what? The traitor? Outsider?
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>>145742897
Kek, seems so. It's like a hierarchy or something and Jason apparently is right at the bottom (never mind that he is more popular than all of them).
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Really looking forward to watch this more because of the puppetry/pratical effects!
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>>145742897
Yes, Jason is the ungrateful bastard who needs to abide by the Bat or turn himself in so he can get Old Sparky or a life sentence. He's not just a killer, but a contrarian and he also beat up Tim that time in the Tower so he is dangerous to minors.
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>>145742897
The black knight.
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>>145742921
Depending how the individual feels about Spoiler, she's either a tier above or below him. Those who rank her higher praise her for finally stepping in line with the family. Those who rue her say she's worse than Jason for actually not acknowledging her straight white girl privileges and being a pick-me.
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>>145726787
>media stealing Tim traits for Dick's Robin
Retard thinks pants and a bo staff are a Tim trait.
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>>145735347
>Because Dick's claim to fame is just being the first Robin and the guy associated with the Titans. Personality wise, he's just a nice guy.
Revisionist Wayne Family Adventures style history not reflected in the stories when he was actually Robin, but OK.
>Jason... has a distinct origin, a dramatic fall and rise story, and a rougher personality that's actually justified and an existence that puts Batman's entire purpose into question.
All true. But Jason's fractured relationship with Bruce only works in contrast to Dick. The overwhelming success of the original Batman and Robin and Batman's failures with Robin II are what makes Jason's story so tragic. Making Jason Dick's peer changes the dynamic for the worse.
It should just be a Robin (Dick Grayson) story.
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>>145743903
>All true. But Jason's fractured relationship with Bruce only works in contrast to Dick. The overwhelming success of the original Batman and Robin and Batman's failures with Robin II are what makes Jason's story so tragic
That's just not true. Jason claims to fame is thanks to UTRH and AK and Nightwing has little to nothing to do with Jason in them.
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>>145743936
Dick has nothing to do with Jason in general. To pretend that he is responsible for Jason's popularity is hilarious.
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>>145743782
The bo staff does tie in to Tim's specific character, though. Dick had his own signature weapon.
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>>145743903
>people like this specific character because he is a failure compared to the other character
What kind of messed up theory is this?
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>>145744032
>implying people don’t like a character who doesn’t stand down no matter what
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>>145744116
If he doesn't stay down, he isn't a failure.
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>>145743936
Nightwing is the main supporting character in UTRH. The entire arc draws parallels between them, that's the whole reason Dick is there.
Arkham Knight doesn't focus on the "dramatic fall and rise" other guy was talking about, don't see your point here.
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>>145744032
Please reread. I said Batman failed Jason. Which is true. And is what makes the story interesting, reading it from Batman's POV.
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>>145744175
Nightwing is only there to show that there is more than one Robin after the chase scene he completely disappears from the narrative
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>>145744175
There's a barely any parallel besides introducing Dick as the first Robin who quickly left the story after Red Hood introduction. He wasn't even there for the revelation. I mentioned AK because you seem to be under the wrong impression that the contrast to Dick is what made Jason when it literally has nothing to with him or why people liked him.
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>>145744175
>Nightwing is the main supporting character in UTRH
Eh, no. It was Alfred.
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>>145742427
>Bat fandom think since Dick is the first, anything he get is within his right so they don't dare to complain about him or attack him
This is true, and expect more of it thanks to the editorial’s post-DiDio compensation to Dick.
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>>145744689
They seem at least that they are trying to tone it down now and especially after AP and Titans proved to be failures.
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Within the comics, the only Batfam after Jason who gets shat on nonstop is… Steph. In the real world, it’s Tim.
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>>145744748
To be fair, AP is just ending.
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Is it possible for the Robins to appear individually in other media now or do they always have to be together? I don't know if I like them turning the Robins into more like TMNT.
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>>145744750
DC has a confusing relationship with Jason. They want him in the batfamily, but they refuse to fully commit to it so sometimes he is either excluded or completely ignored. They want him to be a villain, but they know that it doesn't work and his fans hate the idea. They also can't let go of him because he is too popular so we end up in this weird cycle where DC keep making the situation more complicated than it needs to be.
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>>145744748
>Nightwing
>Titans
>Batman & Robin: Year One
>The Last Halloween
That's four Dicks a month plus the inevitable cameos in Batman, JLU, and whatever minis and seasonal one-shots they put out.
He's the third most published character in DC Comics history and this angers the anti-Dick fags.
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>>145744887
5. Forgot World's Finest.
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>>145744887
He is taking a backseat in Titans according to the writer and Donna apparently is going to be the new leader. BRYO is a dream project for Waid (because of course). TLH supposedly exists as tribute for Sale and it's a Batman book first and foremost. Zdarsky already said that he isn't planning to use the batfamily and wants to focus on Bruce in his upcoming arcs. WF is probably going to end soon with the artist leaving (let's be honest, he is the one carrying the book). You probably going to get cameos in Tec because of Taylor, though. Other than that, DC doesn't seem interesting in pushing Dick anymore. If anything, it seems like they are planning to focus on Damian now.
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Jasonbros, the world is against us…
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Ideally this movie would be an interwoven story of Dick's origin in the first Dynamic Duo, and Jason continuing the legacy in later flashforwards. Jason passes away honoring that legacy, Bruce and Dick's relationship breaks down, and Dick resolves to continue as a hero despite the heartbreak.

>>145724735
>considering how much Dick fans and Jason fans hate each other

Dick fans and Jason fans don't hate each other. It's a vocal minority of circlejerking idiots competing for the best Batboy. Fans love Nightwing and Red Hood as foils and as a duo. Out of all the pairs of Robins, these two have the capacity to elevate each other the most.

Jason's suffering and darkness emphasize that Dick has to work hard to not be Batman. It's not Daddy Batman alone who makes Dick what he is, but critically the skills and integrity that he gets from his own family and friends. He has the strength and courage to bond with people despite the risk of heartbreak. Bruce and Dick made each other better people, but Dick had to put in a lot of effort as a child.

Dick proves that Batman is a well meaning yet deeply flawed asshole who pushes away both his sons, no matter how wonderful Dick is, and Jason had a good reason for resorting to extremism because he couldn't depend on a safety net.

Even as their enemy, Jason has deep respect for Batman and Nightwing. He's not an idiot who rejects their ways for no reason, or a bitter failure who doesn't have what it takes to be as good as them. He admires and idolizes them, and it took the worst case scenario for him to turn his back on them. He's only able to keep up with them because he uses their same skills, which are unsurpassed.
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>gimmick animation
>Jason gimmick
>forcing Dick into having a bond with Jason again
Looks like cancel-bait to me. Jason is a gimmick character that just doesn’t work. Outside of that one book the only thing he ever did of significance was die and it can be argued that he was a more important and respectful character when he was dead. He’s not even a real cohesive and well established character in the way the others are because he has never not even once been consistent, ever. He’s just a name and most of the time a vague look and personality slapped onto whatever gimmick the writer wants him to be. He has nothing of his own and actively absorbs other characters traits, family, and friends like a shit sponge. Nothing he does justifies his existence and yet his fans have the balls to give actual characters like Tim and Dick, shit when he carried the title for years and was the first to get his own solo that lasted years. Jason fans get jealous of good character fans for having good things when all they have going for them is the fact that people will fall for the gimmick and make yet another Jason Project that’s doomed to fail. Then they can bitch about how whoever was responsible for it secretly hated Jason and wrote him wrong (what is writing him right??) but he’s still better than the other robins. Somehow.
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His dream has come true! Robin will finally have a movie!
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>>145745515
Redwingfag, go suck a dick.
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>>145744849
At least nobody's trying to force them to be like the Getter Robo trio
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>>145745533
Too bad he has to share with a shit character like Jason
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It seems like a certain someone has already recovered from their shock.

>>145745723
It's not exactly surprising when you have multiple Robins who all are popular. Choosing only Damian for N52 movies proved to a failed idea.
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>>145745881
don't know why they keep insisting on forcing these two together when they never had a meaningful relationship in the past.
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>>145746026
Yeah, pushing one and ignoring the others would be the stupid choice.
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>>145745881
>>145745542
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How can one man be so kino?
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WB really needs to focus on quality over quantity
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>>145746240
Indeed. They should drop Dick and focus only on Jason.
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>>145746275
Kek. Based and true.
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>>145746275
This
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I miss her so much...
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>>145746630
Booooo! She is blonde and a girl, she does not fit the Robin mold.
Tell Stephanie to dye her hair and trans the gender and then come back later.
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>>145746630
If she couldn't make it as Batgirl, she has even less chance as a Robin.
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>>145746704
She’s a better Robin than Damian
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>Pretending to be overzealous Jason Todd fanatics
YAWN
Get new material reddit
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>>145746962
Reddit hates Jason Todd, ya troon. They like Batwoman and Cass and try to defend Tim’s bisexuality.
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>>145746962
>reddit
>likes Jason
What's up with the tourist we have today?
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>>145746239
>Lobdell’s Jason
Into the trash
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>>145746962
Jason Todd is up there with Hal Jordan on the list of comic characters Reddit hates.
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>>145745021
Damian appears in a single ongoing that needs Batman in the title to actually sell. He also has that Little Batman mini coming in a few months. Where is he being pushed?
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>>145746974
>>145746980
>>145747075
>Self-report
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>>145746974
Tim's been a fag for decades, DC just made it official.
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>>145747244
/co/ is such a dogshit, awful, terrible place to have discussions that some people have no choice but to head out and seek places to discuss comics. the sad truth is that /co/ isn't that different than reddit; you fags both love Disney girl shows.
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>>145747244
The biggest Cassposter on this board is a redditor, he streams his art on reddit before posting it here.
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>>145747070
Nah, Dexter Soi draws a damn good Red Hood.
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>>145742603
>>145742632
DC fandom has nothing on X-fags.
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>>145747528
How can anyone read X-Men these days
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>>145747528
I keep hearing about how bad the X-fanbase is. Are they really worse than the bat fanbase?
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>be Jason Todd
>be a sad sack nigga
>team up with an amazonian who will sit on his face without asking
>is still sad
I hate Jason.
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>FUCK YOU JASON I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A MOVIE NOT YOU
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>>145747631
They shouldn't be since they have Soft Serve, but unfortunately their toxicity runs wild and they can't be content with ice cream poop
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>>145747465
The art was decent, but the writing was awful.
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>>145747828
>but the writing was awful.
That's what happens when you hire Jim Lee's friends.
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Will they ever give Jason his own ongoing show?
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>>145740795
>>145740980
You weren't kidding.
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>>145747876
DC’s talent pool is so small that half of their writers right now are Marvel’s leftovers.
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>>145749060
>hey guys get hyped, Scott Snyder and a bunch of hacks from Marvel are going to write your favorite comic characters!
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>>145746630
>Robin for 3 seconds
>Batgirl for a week
Used goods whore is a forgettable character, just like gookgirl
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>>145749156
You can shit on Cass all you want, we like Steph.
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>>145740980
>>145741676
>>145748883
Reminder
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>>145749682
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>>145749682
Shame he groped some woman and is now a pariah.
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>>145747631
>>145747821
When the X-Books really started pushing the civil rights angle it caught them a fanbase which treats the Mutant Struggle the same way college students treat IRL Civil Rights stuff.

Like I recently saw a discussion of a page where The Thing does a college campus talk and this one mutant chick replies to him with that really cold and formal but with underlying hostile intent speak you in see in again, college social justice groups.
People from outside the X-Community were rightfully calling out that she was being needlessly standoffish to a good faith if clumsy statement. People inside the X-Community immediately started jumping to her defense by saying she used the exact right tone your meant to use in that situation and that it was offensive to think otherwise.

Imagine that but scaled up for a decades spanning fanbase.
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>>145747190
In outside media to gen alpha.
He already got that animated Christmas special (Even if it was only in parentage and name) and he is going to be robin in the upcoming gunnverse stuff.
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>>145750360
Ben Grimm is worth more than a hundred billion mutant lives.
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>>145749682
Doesn’t change the fact he sucked at writing Jason.
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>puppet dick
Cinema
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>>145749682
Why do these people want to ruin character everyone else



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