Zootopia's message was so stupid and I'm glad more people are calling it out.
>>146538463Or maybe it was meant to be a cute film about animals you retarded faggot
>>146538463Real talk tho, it's supposed to be bad the city goes out of it's way to meet the needs of the people living there?
>>146538463I hope people keep calling it out when 2 rolls around, though I doubt Disney has the balls to make any racism or political commentary after playing it safe for so long.
>>146538463Death to left wing woke retards.
>>146538463Of all the things to call out in Zootopia, its assuming the small living area is considered a bad thing because ... ?Did we not have at the beginning a training montage showing that even a bunny can train hard enough to become as strong as a rhino?
>>146538463>Anti-racism
>>146538463Every single theme Zootopia tried to shill is a falsehood...Female Cops being capable.Judy being depicted as a good cop when she only solves the case thanks to befriending criminals and she uses blackmail tactics as well.Diversity and multiculturalism being celebrated.All of this is shit. And that last one in particular is what enabled the riots depicted in the movie itself but you're not supposed to notice any of these things. You're simply expected to automatically agree with multiculturalism society of bullshit. Hate this trash movie so much and resent how much money it made. Makes me worry about how much undeserved money Zootopia 2 is going to make. Normies after stupid after all.
>>146538463That is fake.NICETRY
>>146538463>>146538482Not to make this west vs. east, but I don't think anything can top Brand New Animal, which seemingly takes every opportunity to show that the furries are dangerous, stupid, and literally ends with a chimpout because they can't handle life in dense multicultural societies. Also they are ruled over and guided by an obvious jew allegory. Whoever managed to sneak it past Netflix deserves a medal.
I don't understand why humans invent fiction like Zootopia. There's something very unnatural about. As if animals would ever want to live together. Even in-universe it's clear how wrong that is. Humans are predator apes, and foxes are predator wild dogs. It's the truth, and it's better.
>>146538521Calling it out for what? Their reasoning is stupid as fuck.
>>146538482This is exactly how rightoids handle women, funnily enough.
>>146538547>the small living area is considered a bad thing because ... ?Because it goes against the message of the movie by providing an example of an in-universe segregation that is completely reasonable.Though I'm most baffled by jokes like the bureaucrat sloths. It's like making a movie about why being mean to black people is bad while doing jokes about other races all the time.
>>146538632Using animals' culturally understood traits as shorthand for personalities.
>>146538679But they're not being segregated, they're being accommodated.
>>146538708>segregated>accommodatedSame thing
>>146538679Designing an area for physically proportioned housing and racial tension between prey and predator aren't the same thing.The movie never was about trying to segregate predators and prey to different areas of the city, why is having smalltown relevant.
>>146538723Part of segregating is you isolate a community right? but the rat neighborhood is not isolated, it's an open neighborhood anyone can come into.
>>146538723>>146538679Yo check out this vid of a guy visiting this household of oppressionhttps://youtube.com/shorts/M7fLUgpx1Pg?si=ueXou7jyxjwptqLy
>>146538463>possum reviewsJesus, why am i seeing this faggot everywhere now? Even when i agree with him i can't stand that he just butts in random conversations on Twitter just to shill his failed channel
>>146538758You're separating them from others and making them and everyone else happy.
>>146538758In fact think about this how that little rodent neighborhood has both prey rodents and predator rodents living together, which actually proves how dumb this argument is because Predator vs Prey is a very anthropomorphic view of the food chain.
>>146538463Next we're going to Judy say that Israelfur have the right to defend themselves.
>>146538736One of the main objectives of the anti-racism movement was to prove that despite the appearance differences, all humans are still the same species with no biological advantage for intelligence or morality for any group.Using animals as a race allegory just falls flat because animals aren't equals. A rhino is stronger than a rabbit, an elephant would be a kaiju for the rat town, sloths are slower than everyone else, YET carnivores don't eat other animals because it was arbitrarily decided.
>>146538783Ah yes that 15min deleted scene where everyone went "well at least the shortstacks don't live around here".Quit being retarded.
>>146538788That's like Russians living in Ireland. They're both still white.
>>146538783They're not separated though, they're just living in a community that accommodates to their needs.
>>146538666Wait, are you implying leftoids are actively taking the initiative to suppress women's rights?
>>146538463The moral should have been that racism is natural but to live in a civil society we must rise above it.
>>146538809You know who I bet who disagrees with this? The Russian who always makes a point to distant themselves from the rest of europe.
>>146538815When do white people get accommodated for their needs?
>>146538463why does he think different types of people can't coexist?
>>146538571Don't forget the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreen>>146538809Hey speaking of Russians what about the fucking shrew-run polar bear mafia? Why is that just kind of...overlooked, as a plot point?
>>146538679>It's like making a movie about why being mean to black people is bad while doing jokes about other races all the time.People say that it's about oppressing black people and yet the worst thing about it is that it's not entirely clear who is ACTUALLY supposed to represent them in the metaphor. And either way it's REALLY bad if you think too much about it.Option A:>The predators are minority people, so they're inherently violent and even if they're good now they're not too far from the old days of menacing the poor weak white folksOption B:>The prey are the oppressed folks and now they leverage that to become the new oppressors like the sneaky manipulators they areLike either way it's fucking bonkers.
Get over the fucking small town and explain to me how the sloth jokes don't go against the message.
>>146538799In a lot of ways animals are equal as they merely following an ecological niche. An apex predator doesn't think themselves as "superior" or a prey animal as "inferior", they're just relying on instincts to survive.
>>146538863As much as anons like to pretend twitter is tumblr, the truth is that Elon turned it into 4chan without anonymity
>>146538571Not forget that hopps deserved none of this.Also yeah a realistic world of anthro animals would be more or less still a jungle, fuck a city
>>146538463What pisses me off the most about Zootopia is that it could just have been a movie about animal cops solving a mystery. It would have been as much successful as it is because no one went to see this movie for social messaging.But no, Hollywood fuckers just can't help themselves. They have to shove this shit everywhere.It's a shame because it is a fun movie despite everything.
>>146538833Being white is the accommodation, or adaption if you will, of european immigrants. They shed their ethnic identity to assimilate and keeping up with the evolution analogy there was tradeoff to ditching the minority label where an ethnic irish person's need cannot be met because they gave up being irish for being white.
>>1465387991. The complaint of a variety of mammals representing human races can be woeked as a complaint but it is retarded to have that startung point by assuming that the neighborhood designed for smaller mammals is some forced or socially suggested segregation. Especially since we spend so little time there they don't even imply they have to live there or that all small mammals do live there.2. We never bring up the diet of predators but considering we never see see birds or fish there is no reason to assume they aren't on the menu.3. What anti-racism movement are you mentioning? Was it one that was part of the movie/story development or focusgroup testinf?
>>146538892Yes, thank you for waking up from your 10-year coma, anon. Twitter WAS indeed tumblr before Elon took over and all the rainbow-haired rats fled to whatever this month's new refugee hellhole is.
>>146538632>foxes are predator wild dogsNope. Despite the physical similarities, dogs and foxes are only kinda distantly related and can't interbreed. Neither can dholes, lupulellas and licaons, each of which are called and resemble digs but can't interbreed with them nor even with each other. They're not dogs.
>>146538903>Being white is the accommodationWhat year are you living in?
>>146538833What needs?
I know Beastars isn't a kids show and isn't a race allegory, but at least it had the balls to show that there is a difference between prey and predator while not villanizing either. Didn't watch the last part, so I have no idea what goes on.
>>146538920The need to get away from everyone who isn't them and to be left alone.
>>146538904>What anti-racism movement are you mentioning?Specifically biologists arguing against dividing various groups of humans into different species.
>>146538915I've heard there's been breakthrough in domesticating foxes though, for some reason.>gosh I just really love the smell of fox piss everywhere and loudass yips in the middle of the night.
>>146538918Anon is explaining how italians and irish get to just be "white" now instead of being ostracized like they used to be. I'm not sure if that really works for the argument being made, but that's what he's saying.
>>146538928Thats called a cabin the middle of fuckoff nowhere.Which is what white people already have so good job enjoy let us know hiw the writing hobby you picked up is going.
>>146538846>the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreenSetting aside there is supposed to be the equivalent of at least a decade passing between the flashback and the main film, it's a thematic point.>>146538855Do we need to discuss the difference between allegory and applicability or how you don't need everything to line up exactly with real world equivalents when you're not making direct comparisons?
>>146538955>fuckoffWhy can't non whites do this? Is it because they know they can't survive without leeching off of whites?And don't give me that colonization shit. No average white person is going around the world picking fights with non whites.
>>146538632>>146538679>>146538689>>146538855How should’ve zootopia gone then?
>>146538953Basically that and how you can't address the needs of a community by what they are not, ethnic.Like would would a non-ethnic group needs even be y'know? It's defined by what's it not.
>>146538986Make it just a fun adventure about animal cops.
>>146538975Nonwhites really have nothing to do with white people enjoying a cabin in fuckoff nowhere.Its about a person wanting to live away from everyone who isn't them, like anon asked for.And it just happens to be typically white guys so ya know stereotypes have some origin.
>>146539017They did.
>>146538953Irish and Italians were always white. They were just the wrong kind of white. No one really understands the historical context of intra-group prejudice among whites because ethnicism and colorism have largely been excised from American racial assumptions, particularly among white people.
>>146538463almost like how in real life different cultures have inconsolable values and any attempts at bringing them together are bound to end in violence.
>>146539023It's going to be a fun time when white people are no longer around and you're stuck under the boot of pedophiles from the middle east.
tfw a tweet from a youtuber i like though i wish he would steer away from low-hanging political fruit for joke fodder (haha joe biden old amirite) has become the catalyst for a discussion of race metaphors on /co/Doesn't feel too good man
>>146539052People actually want that though. They hate women and blacks almost as much as whites do, and it comes with child brides
>>146539023If Zootopia wanted to drive the idea home, they should have shown that every time you divide a group by certain traits, eventually the culled group will want to further divide. Imagine if Bellwether fled and formed her own prey-only colony. Somebody could stand up and say rodents and ungulates shouldn't mix because ungulates can crush rodents by total accident. There will always be something to divide people so segregation is a dumb solution.
>>146539052Instead of being under the boot of pedophiles in the white house?
>>146539035A fun adventure about animal cops without a race allegory.
>>146539097You think you do, but you don't. It's easy to think of something in your head but the reality of living it second by second, minute by minute, day by day until you die of exhaustion and depression is very different.
>>146538521>for so long.Elemental wasn't that long ago and it was even worse than animals getting along by acting like water people and fire people are racist from LITERALLY not wanting to immediately die upon contact from their universal chemistry-whatever opposite.
>>146539040>They were just the wrong kind of white.You're trying to talk about ethnicity without saying the word "ethnic" which I think just illustrates the requirement of being white means sacrificing your group identity.
>>146538463The movie never answers what the meat eaters are eating.
>>146539131The movie never realised they needed small cops to patrol the tiny town.The movie never realised it's actually Mammaltopia since we never see any reptile or bird or anything else there.
>>146538974Zootopia wanted to make a movie about people, but used animals in a world where them being animals was integral to the society they live in. It's not like the furry Robin Hood where they're animals but that doesn't really matter to the story. Humans aren't the same as animals. The story is trying to convince you that everyone's the same while bombarding you with constant jokes and evidence about how they really aren't. Like, even if the message had been intended to be "everyone's got something they're good at so people can approach problems from different perspectives", it would have fit the animal theme better. But they had to make the predator vs prey thing the main crux of the plot, which draws waaaaay too much thought to the clumsy race metaphor. This just wasn't the movie for it.Honestly, I'm not even saying a race metaphor is necessarily a bad thing, but using creatures that have fundamental, hard-coded differences in physiology to convey that gets real weird real fast. This isn't a woke/anti-woke take, it's just a fundamentally bad way to get this point across.
>>146539113Seriously, if they had left out the predator/prey shit and Judy was looked down upon for being small rather than being a herbivore, the movie would lose 90% of the race allegory shit. Change it so that only big animals are getting hit with the berserk plant and the sheep's reasoning would still fit, she wants to make a society safe for small animals.
Zootopia could never.
>>146539183Cats Dont Dance really is the Garth Marenghi of animal movies.Underappreciated genius that will be proven prophetic when the end of times come.
>>146539113Why? Retards on 4chan would have made it about race anywah.
>>146538463Brainlet take. Ant-racism is "everyone is treated exactly the same regardless of their abilities". Zootopia is straight up race realism: everyone finds their niche they were born into, and generally contributes to society at large and their social group based on that niche, with a few outliers. But it's also shitty to assume that every individual matches the standard. Treat individuals without (too much) prejudice, and groups based on their averages.
>>146538679>racial segregation is goodLiterally not a theme, plot point, or issue the movie was addressing at any point, retard.
>>146538463>That picI know what you’re doing bunny fucker
>>146539241segregation is part of racism, retard.
>>146539169But the entire point is that the discrimination is entirely artificial.You're working from a backward position that the villain was making a legitimate point but that's just illogical.
>>146538463Bid you just wake up from a coma? It got shat on immediately after release for being a poor allegory.
>>146539183The thing is that's not "only" a racism allegory, but a general allegory for Hollywood only pushing the right kind of stars and letting any other talent rot.
>>146538915The nomenclature of canid is referred to as dogs. They aren't dog dogs but they're dogs. Like how lions aren't cat cats but they're cats.
>>146538846>Why is that just kind of...overlooked, as a plot point?Because it’s a joke and nothing more.
>>146539303>But the entire point is that the discrimination is entirely artificial.Discrimination isn't actually artifical btw.
>>146539413no shit, but the movie makes a point to say it is
>>146538463there are animals who could get mice to crawl up their anuses and stimulate it from the inside
>>146538936>I've heard there's been breakthrough in domesticating foxes though, for some reason.Well, at first, it was done to bed an animal better suited for the fur trade. Silver fixed make beautiful pelts but are a kick to the cunt to capture from the wild. Then, there was interest to domesticate them as a model species to exemplify the process of domestication. Basically, just to see what would happen.
>>146538484>Or maybe it was meant to be a cute film about animals you retarded faggotI enjoyed the film too but you're utterly deluding yourself or didn't see the actual film if you somehow think the whole movie wasb't about racism/discrimination.
>>146539454>it was done to bed an animalLMAOGet an animal, rather.
>>146539413It kinda is, especially in the context of the fucking movie we're talking about. There is no genuine predator drive which is literally the plot point that reveals the whole twist that Bellwether was masterminding the whole thing
>>146539467Yeah I'm sure dirty foxfuckers.
>>146538463beastars did it better
So they would rather have the trope not being used at all? I highly doubt it.
>>146539460The message wasn’t even clear, I mean are bunnies the black people they can only call other bunnies cute, but then predators are the ones people are scared of randomly attacking them.
>>146539522Would you rather the wolf eat the rabbit or eat the rabbit?
>>146539131The movie only has mammals as human level smarts so its likely birds and fish are still on the menu.
>>146539666I would eat the wolf so there's two wolves inside of me
>>146538463Giant bunny...
>>146539522And then the furtopia fad died and nobody did anything like it ever again, even though both franchises were very popular.
>rodent ghetto how is this place a fucking ghetto it looks like a normal city built for rats. would have rather these small squishable creatures live in the city with elephants that'll crush them completely by accident.
>>146538846>Don't forget the bully fox just randomly turning over a new leaf offscreenYou never changed since you were a kid?
>>146539961Explains a lot doesn't it?
>>146539762Ghetto doesn't have anything to do with how nice the place is, and is just about the makeup/concentration of the people who live there.The real question is wether Rodentia or Zootopia is the true ghetto, since there should be more rodents, making the macro fauna the true minority group.
>>146540039>macro faunaMegafauna*
>>146540039And moron is just a medical term about a person's mental capacity.
>>146538463Little mice could construct whatever the hell kind of habitations they wanted within the little spaces around larger animals. It's just cuter to give them their own little sections.
>>146540136Looks like it hasn't been a medical term since 1983, but you're right was one up till then.
>>146539476There was a predator drive in the world of Zootopia, but now their appetite is satiated so they don't have any need to kill. I think the original story was going to focus on our animalistic drives with Nick making a place for predators to get out their drive to hunt. It's about repressing natural behaviors versus channeling their instincts through healthier means.
>>146538463>Implying real life is any different.
The sequel is going to be an immigration story with Gary the snake coming to Zootopia to make a case as for why they should let in Reptiles. Then the third movie will introduce birds
>>146539762Agree. Needs more walls, barbed wire, wanton executions, and arm band markers for the inhabitants
>>146538463yeah this idea never worked because real world racism is silly because fundamentally we're all slightly different looking versions of the same template where as being scared of predators and mutants is just a natural response. Predators eat other animals and mutants even if they're not malicious threaten people around them with their powers
>>146538463The anime Brand New Animal also really fucks up its own message. By the second to last episode you learn the humans were 100% right to exclude the Beastmen because they can go feral and kill anything near them when stressed.
>>146538508Yeah. How is it a "ghetto" anyways. I know it doesnt just mean shitty neighborhood, but ghetto doesnt fit it.
I didn't pick up on any message. I was too fixated on Judy's erotic bunny physique and bedroom eyes
>>146540398It's an ethnically exclusive part of town, where seemingly only one group is allowed/forced to live.But >>146540039 brings up a good point. If the rodents are the actual majority, it would make Little Rodentia a gated community instead.
>>146539762>>146540039A “ghetto” implies that the folks living there were forced to by their neighbors because they weren’t welcome outside it. Little Rodentia was inhabited by choice, so it’s not a ghetto.Of course, you could always have some Zootopian political radical claim that the little rodents were being forced to live there due to “stochastic sizism” or some such nonsense. That actually would not be out of character for the setting.
>>146538652No the conclusion is fucked. But the reasoning makes sense. The fictional animals are used to be representations of differences between real humans. The message is suppose to be that people with differences should get along. For humans, most of our differences can be ignored, but there are also differences that can't. Certain religious groups can have difficulty living together and if two groups lay claim to one territory there can be problems. Some cultures mesh well together and some don't.Zootopia is fiction, but even in the movie itself, it shows that not everyone can be equal and there are extreme differences between species. It's not as simple as humans with different cultures, but animals of different species. Zootopia doesn't even delve into the cultural differences which would complicate things more. How would animals native to their equivalent to East Africa get along with animals from West Africa? Central Asia with Madagascar? In a simple fairy tale where forest animals get along, it can be simplified, but even then using animals can only get you so far. If they were all furries of the same size it wouldnt matter, but with such extreme size difference it makes things fucked.
>>146540395Some people are a bit too obsessed with supposed stereotypes of "feral" behavior and stuff. Wild animals can be as calm as any person, just depends on their own mood.Think its more down to bad writing, usually that they have to create some sort of conflict to define the climax with or some shit. Relying on that kind of stereotype is just the easiest or laziest way to do it.
OP's pic is showing OBJECTIVE differences between groups of people.There are people who do not like objective truth that people are different.
>>146538571Judy does not come off all that great in this movie. >Blackmails Nick into helping her, forces him to break laws>Illegally searches a car>Uses mafia connections to force confessions out of people>Uses connections to steal personal information from DMV>Makes some really racist statements on tv and incites racism across the town
>>146540467>>Makes some really racist statements on tv and incites racism across the townWell to play devil's advocate, that was at least shown in a negative light. The other things, well it's her duty to be corrupt on her first day.
>>146538484This.
>>146540465OP's pic is also showing that we are still equal even with those differences.
I like his people overthink such a simple story and allegory to the point they think they are outwitting it when they are just being to stupid to comprehend a prejudice bad story being told to kids in a universal way as the lense of anthro animals. Though who knows maybe it'd worked better if it was a fur and scales thing as opposed to a prey and predator thing
It had a message?
Funnily, the movie makes a lot more sense when viewed as an allegory for sexual discrimination.They even made almost all the predators male.
>>146538463Possum Reviews is full of shit.
>>146538463I wanna eat Judy's big donut
Amerisharts when obvious differences between a species exist
>>146540525The goblin turned on the stove to heat up the iron poker so it could shove it into the guy he killed with it.
>>146540467Some of it is because of how she was not even given access to the tools she needed for the investigation.Getting a warrant for the car would probably have been easy if she was in the system and the Chief wasn't being an ass, and that turned out to be more of a misunderstanding, so talking more calmly to Mr. Big might have revealed the truth without all the drama. There's a slight plot hole there in that Mr. Big didn't appear to investigate that incident further himself. An otter wanted to warn him about something but instead went nuts on his driver and disappeared? Would be something he should have his own boys be looking in to. Almost the stuff of gang wars, not that we know of any other groups.
>>146540515>we are still equal even with those differences.>equal even with those differences>differencesNah. But people can treat each other equally/fairly (or try to). Nobody is equal, but we can try to be fair.
>>146540516>fur and scales thingWell to be a shitflinging autist, I know that reptile brains are different than mammals. It wouldn't fix it. Perhaps making them all furries of only slightly different sizes would work. Shortstack mice, tall giraffes, etc.Humans can range from 4-7ft, but we usually have a bell curve of average heights. And we accommodate for certain heights, like more leg room for taller people, as well as discriminate, like rollercoaster height requirements/limits.
>>146540442this guy gets it
>>146540398>>146538508the lack of police officers small enough to function in that part of town has allowed crime to flourish there. hence why the mob boss is a shrew.
>>146539666Swallow both rabbits whole then have sex in his gut
Another liberal whackiness I don't get is they want to glorify equality but their ranks are filled with women. Women hate equality, they don't want a man who is equal to other men, they want one who is better. They are constantly judging and evaluating people's ups and downs.
>>146540732>But people can treat each other equally/fairlyThat's what I meant when I say we're all equal.What's so hard about just saying we're equal?
>>146541005Being equal and being treated equal is not the same thing.You can have a short and a tall person and treat both of them as if they're the same height, but that does not make them the same height.
What will the chameleon secret police be doing?
>>146538632Human races didnt want to live together either.Multiculturalism was never voted for. It was forced upon us.
>Blah blah blah racism bad blah blah Who cares as long as my husband gets more screentime
>>146538463I think it's funny how the racist fantasy people of Metaphor Refantazio are convinced there wouldn't be any racism if everyone were the same species
>>146538463>Their own rodent ghettosOH NO THE HORROR!THE SHREWS AND MICE HAVE TO EAT ONLY AT CAFES MADE FOR THEIR SIZE SO THEY DON'T GET CRUSHED UPON!
>>146541080Indeed. Me, I hope Gazelle is in the sequel
>>146538540Uh both those guys are famously right wing douchebags.
>>146541159I get the impression Possum is a right-winger,but he doesn't strike me as the conspiratorial type
>>146540598Basically it's another movie where the woman lead is in the wrong many times, but other people are stupid strawmen and "make" her have to do it because no one wants to help her so it's ok.
>>146541080The design that went into this guy had to be deliberate, right?
>>146538915Did you just call a dingo a dhole?
>>146541174That's always been my impression. He's right wing and opinionated but it mostly seems to manifest in "this guy's shadier than hunter biden" hack. Which, personally, I think is below him. When he stays away from politics he's just fine, funny even.... I'm also amazed he's even well known enough to warrant discussion here. I'm not sure whether to be happy for him or worried for him. This kind of scrutiny doesn't tend to do good things for people.
>>146541188Nah, blob fur fuckers just have such low standards that anyone can stumble their way into a design they're down for.
>>146541188A fat cheetah. No shit.
>>146541217It's a gag, Clawhauser being cute and plushy was a happy accident
>>146538463>people are different both require and desire different things out of life>reeeeeeeeeeeHow do these people function. You can see reality and either be racist or anti-racist (I suppose) but denying reality is some retard shit.>>146538632The notion is two fold. First is anthropomorphisation is generally appealing to the human mind because animals are 1 dimensional and symbolic so we use them to decode the 'truths' of reality - like making natural elements and phenomena animals in totemic mysticism. You can 'understand' racism if it's predator and prey.The second is because projection of sapience on to the animal kingdom is a tool used to express the virtue of sapience by contrasting with the irrevocable barbarism of animals. Animals would NEED to be predator and prey or compete with each other if they could achieve utopic ideals i.e the internal human struggle between human nature and ideal projected on to something simplistic. The issue, as you can see, is that when using such simple and direct allegory the colour blind 'one race; the human race =)' narrative is easily refuted. You are either forced to accept the differences and see sapience as a tool to balance the scales as best you can for each member regardless of ubiquity or utility OR you see the oppression of predator and prey alike as they are denied their function and their ultimate happiness in service of an imaginary idyllic utopia that pleases only a theoretical 'every animal' that has never and will never exist as all its client demographics sublimate themselves to the 'system' in self-denial and subservience.One answer requires a system so large and powerful that we can't actualize it yet and the other demands conflict. Most modern people refuse to imagine there's still work to be done or no respite to their misery.
>>146540449>It's an ethnically exclusive part of town>Little Rodentia a gated communitynone of this makes sense. other species literally can not live there. the houses and shops are tiny because mice live there, an elephant can't live there cause they physically can't! "I'm a fat fuck that wants to live in a one bedroom mouse apartment but the mice told me I can't! fucking segregating assholes!"
>>146541353That is why Little Rodentia needs to build apartments that are handycapable for mega fauna.I don't see any ramps for the pinnipeds.
>>146538463Mutts being able to understand tensions between groups of people by thinking just about black and white people
>>146538632It's just the never-ending need to force human thought and morality onto everything else and how it functions.
>>146538463>>146541424continuing >>146538463predator/prey allegory applies as well to all sort of aggressor/victim of aggression relationship between nations. And guess what, in Europe, those roles often were switching through the history Either way, Europeans have realized we are better off trading between ourselves than when killing one another. But the shared tensions and resentment remainsZootopia allegory works when you reach the level of maturity that allows you to see that your people could be casted as well as predators as preys.
>>146541464Still happens in pretty recent history, what was it the Bosnian War and shit.Some peoples are just obsessed with seeing others as both all powerful illuminati giving them erectile dysfunction, and also useless vagrants that cannot contribute anything to society at all, therefore they must be exterminated.Well, any further discussion on the point just starts to become as mad as the conflicts themselves. There's no justified reasoning behind it, they just like to kill.
>>146538463I enjoyed it, ,but the racism is still confusing.
>>146540955Almost like the plot of the movie is a 'small' police officer proving that she's just as capable and necessary as the big, tough bruisers.
>>146538463Anti-racism in general is boring af>AHHHHHHHHHHHH TREAT PEOPLE EQUALLY>CELEBRATE PEOPLE'S DIFFERENCES... OR ELSENo thanks
>>146539081If it's any consolation, I think the arguments presented by both sides are weak as fuck and always have been. That's not to say you couldn't make an argument for either side, but 90% of the posts here are the lowest effort, brainlet takes possible.>Zootopia is racist because, uh, unlike people, animals are different from one another and probably wouldn't like each other.>Zootopia isn't racist because, uh, every animal is accommodated for so it's okay
>>146542371Racism itself is confusing, most of it is built on old beliefs that literally make no sense at all with modern knowledge.Trying to explain it by turning races into species makes it even more confusing.
>>146541022>Being equal and being treated equal is not the same thing.Yeah it is, I honestly don't see how you think otherwise.Because equality is about how you treat people.
>>146538689It's not. It uses them as races. If you have a story where a fox, bunny and crocodile go to school together and everyone behaves like they're the same people, it's one thing. But when you make them as races with incompatibilities based on the ones observed in nature, it gets retarded.
>>146538809>Russian are white>fucking IRISH are whiteHoly retard!
>>146538484Fpbp
>>146538463How does that go against it's anti racism message?
>>146542545But the whoe movie proves they're not incompatible though so you're reaching in a big way.
>>146542563Trying to remember, why did "whites" really fucking hate the Irish back in the day?
>>146542714Catholicism, just like Italians.
>>146542714Because they weren't English.
good grief, 4 more years of this?
>>146538463God,I hate journalists
>>146542590That's not the point. No one argues the theme of the movie isn't anti-racism. It's that the racism allegory with the "races" being so fundamentally different breaks down. It's too far removed to make sense.
>>146542755>That's not the pointIt is though. You're trying to point to Zootopia as being fundamentally broken as it shows that races fundamentally cannot cohabitate but they do.
>>146542785>if I repeat myself after being rebuked I will sound smartDone.
>>146542755>anti racist movie cannot have fundamentally different racesRaces/nations often have fundamentally different cultures, but you are from coastal cities of US and know nothing about culture Learn about exaggeration in art
>>146542826Being rebuked doesn't mean I'm wrong.Zootopia is not broken, the animals there are living, more or less, in harmony.
Who was in the wrong here?
>>146538955>Thats called a cabin the middle of fuckoff nowhere.That gets you Ruby Ridged
>>146542754Most intelligent take in this whole thread.
>>146542915Only if you're an idiot who tries to start a standoff with armed federal agents.
>>146542915Cosplaying as a frontiersman is not a need, it's a childish dream.
>>146542924>tries to start a standoff with armed federal agents.Kill yourself glowie piece of shit, everyone who knows what Ruby Ridge is knows that's not what happened
>>146542915It gets you Munsoned.
>>146538463Human races IRL have physical quantifiable differences that make cohabitation fundamentally impossible, like the IQ gap between blacks and whites, but we insist on using the force of government to integrate people anyway.Zootopia's pretty realistic in that regard.
Bellwether knew the races did not belong together. Why didn't you listen to her.
>>146543084Are you saying we should have forced IQ tests and segregate the dumb people from the smart ones?
>>146543182Not him but it's way more than IQ. Personality, character. Race is a lot of things. And segregation among races has been the norm since before the human race even existed (even animals segregate themselves). And yes there should be places that where the overwhelm majority of people are White. They are called White countries. Just as there shoudl be places where the overwhelm majority are black or asian (called black or asian countries). Again. Animals do this. Toss a fox in with group of rabits and see what happens.
>>146538571>Female Cops being capable.They make good interrogators/getting info without a warrant because manipulating men's emotions is the female survival strategy. The badass beat bitch is a total fabrication tho.
>>146543221Race is entirely made up, see>>146542563.
>>146543221>Toss a fox in with group of rabbits and see what happens.
>>146543251Everyone knows what race is when it's time to blame White people.
>>146543301I think you're making excuses. Irish and italian people abandoning being italian and irish for being white shows that there is no objective "white" ethnicity.It's more about what you're not than what you are.
>>146543337Doctors, Genetics, anthropologists, crime scene people can identify race by a hair sample.And people looking to attack White people believe in it. >but some Italians don't eat spaghettiZootopia was aimed at children and trust them to know what races are. If you can't figure this out maybe cartoon discussion is too much for you. Try something more your intellect. Like drowning.
>>146538463You have to make that shit understandable for kids, and since even adult Murricans are too idiotic to understand racism, you have to water it down HARD.I'm more annoyed by the scene where a discussion about stereotypes ends with the most a Drawn Together level fat joke.
>>146543428>Doctors, Genetics, anthropologists, crime scene people can identify race by a hair sample.I think you meant to say ethnicity because race isn't real but ethnicity is.>>but some Italians don't eat spaghettiWell considering how strict regional cooking is in italian cuisine that might just be the cultural gap that determines it.
>>146540541Racism is predicated on the fact that humans, are, humans. And therefore are all equally capable.Zootopia... Literally has different species, capable of completely different things, with completely different biological needs. Of course it can't work as an anti-racist message, but the idea is, don't judge people based on what you are told their nature is. Also the carnivores eat fish and bugs, so, they still eat meat, and that seems pretty fucked up in a Zootopia world.
>>146542888arby's
>>146543549>And therefore are all equally capable.An incorrect assumption which has been proven false time and time again.
>>146543573It has never been proven false. All humans can eat, drink, think, run, jump, climb, and invariably do standard tasks that bipedal apes can do.
>>146543617Oh so you're just being intentionally dishonest. Moving on.
>>146538484
Pretty sure the next movie theme is going to be about why the cold blooded animals have to be segregated in order for them to survive.
>>146543549Lots of "herbivores" will eat meat, just depends if they need to or not, and of course most aren't generally adapted for hunting so they don't bother. Some people get hung up on trivial stuff that the subject of their concern probably don't even think of.Differences between races in humans is mostly trivial, there can be variation between family members that might be more substantial than the little things between races.Is there a bigger difference between people that are 4'10 and 6'8 than people of the same height but one is japanese and another irish?Who even cares about the arbitrary distinctions?
>>146543665>Who even cares about the arbitrary distinctions?People who hate "white" people.
>>146543632I think if you were being honest you would lay out how they were wrong.
>>146543674You're talking about a non-ethnicity, a group defined by who they are not.
>>146538986The original script was way better. Dark, gritty. Death, mystery and corruption. The original script about predators being fit with a shock collar, and corruption all the way to the Mayor as the main villain
>>146543632No, I'm just not looking at humans as anything other than animals.If you want to break down regional or cultural specifics, sure, then we can say Asians are way smarter than everyone else, Whites are more dominating, Black people are more prolific and far more diverse (they go from businessmen to tribesmen in just two countries, no whites can do that), etc. etc.But I'm more interested in a base, uneducated, simple human. They all do the same shit, and all can only do the same shit. Vs a fucking Alligator or a Bird.
>>146543712And yet you and people like you hate them. Curious.
>>146543738What do you mean by "you people"?
>>146543774
>>146538463I don't understand the economics of Zootopia. Smaller animal naturally need to eat less and use less materials and utilities for their homes. Does this mean that smaller animals get paid less or do they get paid the same as other species and live more comfortable and stable lives due to not needing to spend as much?Just look at Nick's popsicle scam. From one elephant popsicle and small sticks that he's able to make enough to satisfy himself and pay a grown man to pretend to be a child and dress in blackface.
>>146543814Communism. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
>>146543814Might be paid less, though perhaps mostly because they can only do so much work in comparison as well. At least for manual labor type stuff. Other services might be more imbalanced, maybe. Otherwise I don't think you're supposed to think about it too much, lots of other stories also wave away that kind of stupid shit too. The logistics of how the world works are FAR more complicated than most people want to think about, and it would be quite impossible for any movie to even touch.
>>146538463Zootopia makes perfect sense with just a few small tweaks>Preds = whites>Prey = browns>Sheep = jewsPreds flagellate themselves to allow prey to exist in their society but are ultimately hated for doing so. Sheep distribute drugs and use their control of the media to sew a divide between the two groups while the sheep work their dirt in the shadows unopposed.
>>146543724>Continued The original script had Nick Wilde as the original character. Nick thought about their treatment by the society in Zootopian herbivores and how it would be awesome to have a place where they could all run free. He made a deal with Koslov (who is the main Mafia boss, Mr. Big is his right hand), who wanted a big cut of profits, just like Nick father has done before him. Wildetimes is then born and it's a success. The main villain, Mayor Swington hears about this. Her plan has been to slave all predators using collars to drive them savage so they can be qualified as the enemy and enslave/commit ethnic cleansing. One of her aids (a donkey) hears about this and goes to warn Nick at Wildetimes. Swington sends one of her hitmen (Doug, who disguises as a wolf) then kills the aid, turns on Nick collar and he's discovered with the donkey's blood on him and it's blamed for the murder. Wildetimes gets closed and he's on the run.Swington sends an idealistic cop who wants to prove herself to track down Nick. Judy eventually chases Nick (he was going to be the person originally running through Rodentia). Nick is caught in jail waiting for trial. Nick tells Judy about everything and she initially leaves, but then her curiosity gets the better of her and she returns just in time to see a weasel hitman about to kill Nick. Judy kills him back, and then Judy breaks in Nick out. I don't know how, but they both gets stuck with handcuffs and now they're both on the run and Judy is now wanted. They run through most of Zootopia, dodging danger and eventually reach Tundra town. Nick tries to make a deal with Koslov but he's betrayed and they both had to run again. Nick learns why Koslov betrayed them since the polar bears knows of Swington plans and he made a deal with her to spare his son.
>>146544014>ContinuedNick and Judy then sneak in the ceremony of Koslov collar pinning of his son (Morris), and hesitantly, he puts it on. Once everyone leaves, Koslov calls out Nick and Judy, since they both that they were both in there. Koslov then tells them about Swington plans, and he helps them with the right tools to expose Swington and to take her down and her lackeys. Then the conspiracy and collars are taken down and all animals then learn how to accept their differences and to accept one and other not let fear cloud their judgement and then Nick and Judy were going to become private detectives agency to help others. That was the original script.Finnick was going to be the owner of a famous club by the outskirts of Zootopia, alongside other differences.The original script was great, alongside the art. But Disney thought it was too dark and they didn't have the balls to put it off
>>146538463Say it with me, children...
>>146544079I'd let her violate my civic rights.
>>146544057Forgot to mention that Judy and Nick are eventually caught and sent to prison before they escaped and made their way to Koslov. They learn there that Swington used to be the warden and she ran experiments on prisoners. Nick learns the truth that his own father discovered Swington before she became the Mayor and was going to exposure her. Nick's father was sent to prison, and he was killed inside prison, ruining his reputation and forcing his business (Suit-Topia) to close down and forcing Nick and his mother to poverty.This was a way better script that had potential to become something awesome. A shame that Disney decided to wipe it off
>>146544111Wasted trips. Kill yourself coomer.
>>146544111Based trips. Keep on keeping on.
>>146542924>miss a court date>glowies show up, kill your dog and half your family>this is somehow justifieddumb nigger
>>146544700He missed a court and then took potshots at the feds when they showed up to arrest him.
>>146538463People still listen to this guy? Or is this a ragebait thread?Either way I loved Zootopia watched it with my baby cousin, it shocked me by how good it was. I really don't get the weird obsession about it by grown men who swear it's woke. It's one of the few movies that's just having fun and tells it's message fairly decently with a few hiccups here and there. I even like the idea of the whole we have our own inherent biases but that doesn't make us bad people. You'd think guys like the Possum would like that, honestly felt like a movie saying that bias exist for a reason because of experiences, trends and social normality. We as a people just have to control them and ourselves to be better or to try and give everyone a fair shake in life. I also think it's just a kid's movie so it could only do so much without being fun. An ironically Possum reviews is the type of guy that if it had done something deep and overarching he'd bitch it's woke and dragged the plot to convey the message. So you can't win with him bro has been grifting since I was in HS.
>>146542415>being a decent human being is... LE BAD!!!
>>146544773the feds shot first dumb nigger
>>146544773>then took potshots at the feds when they showed up to arrest him.No the feds shot his dog, his son upon seeing strangers shoot his dog started shooting at the Feds his dumb cowardly ass then told his son to turn around and run back to the house which ended with his son getting shot in the back. The dude never defended himself>miss a court dateHe didn't even miss it the feds purposely gave him the wrong dateWorst of all we only know about any of this because the dumb glowies killed one of their own in friendly fire which forced an investigation
>>146544117>>146544057>>146544014>>146543724i remember posts from WDAS employee saying they only couldnt figure out the ending so they asked Pixar to help them out. Then the documentary was released and we saw their reaction to the whole thing, it was priceless. Shame they ditched the idea though, but money talks first.Nowadays they wont dare any risks anymore.
>>146542729??
>>146541122Fairly Odd Parents already shows a good example that there will always be someone who is high up their ass. Racists think they are better than others. Even the anti-racism people already think they are better than everyone. There are differences between all people, whether it be genetics, life experiences, income, origin of birth, what you eat, what you like, etc.. People will be different, but people can treat each other equally as possible. Not in the forced Marxist way of war, but by being neighbors. It's a lot of platitudes for an anonymous forum, but that's all I can give without being in person to be an example.
>>146545173There are different denominations of christianity and each hold the other as heretical sinners.
>>146545609>anti-racism peopleThat's just racism with a veil of helping others.
>>146538571good cops existing
>>146541198dholes are a different species from dingos
Zootopia's message is that we all want to fuck bunnies.
>>146538781I think that's what bothers me a lot about him too. He had a decent good point that he posted, which basically went along the lines of shit movies still being made bc of general audiences not thinking critically. Something that's totally true but good lord he came off like such a faggot about it that it made me want to to disagree
>>146545976>pixelsketcher>random dripping fluids that make the fur look like latexI like his art but I really wish he would stop that shit.
Imagine if you got to walking in the country side and you find a city composed entirely of mice and rodent people. Houses that were at most like, three feet tall, with skyscrapers around twenty to thirty feet tall. I imagine that different areas of the world have different people maybe outside of major cities they still self segregate.
>>146539202Decent movie that's overrated by animation nerds
>>146546032I don't mind it, but yeah I can see why you don't like it.
>>146546140Is it bad I want to be like this artist? Yeah it's furry smut but look at it, truly look at it. The smoothness of the colors. The way muscle and curve are hinted at gently, the way fabrics crease and fold. Good stuff.
>>146546166It's normal to recognize talent even if you don't care for the subject matter.
What would a horror movie in Little Rodentia be like?
>dont judge by the book with some racist jokesrevolutionary
>>146538484Then don’t do metaphors.
Maybe I'm the ignorant whitey but I don't recall "racial metaphor" crossing my mind at any point when I watched it
>>146542467Isn't the whole point of the movie is that Judy says the real world is complicated? I could've swore she said that. And yet the morons on both sides immediately started chimping out about it 100% being on their side or being against that side. I felt the movie was pretty fair overall, and it was shown that even cute little sheep like Mayor Bellweather (who seemed like a psychotic liberal to be frank) could be horrendous people and people who were seen as shifty or aggressive like foxes (Nick, a minority, maybe a conservative?) could be good people. And It's not 100% comparable to our world but it was easy enough to understand. I don't get why fags keep freaking out about it. People want things to go one way or the other but there are so many moving chaotic parts in life that will never happen. What Judy was describing is just how life is. There are many types of people with problems, and things happen and the only thing you can do is try your best to tolerate others and make the world as good as you can. Which seems like a good and mature message, especially for a Disney film. They will probably ruin it in the sequel but I really don't get the controversy at all.
>>146538463It's a good euphemism for a multi-ethnic society specifically because it highlights the base differences of people living together, those accommodations need to be made in such a society. The part where it falls apart is when it moves to the predator analogy and simply saying it was an evil mind control drug the entire time. This is an example of how it completely ignores what would be ACTUAL issues with such a multi-ethnic society. Instead of giving a message about these actual points of contention, it brushes them under the rug saying it's all fake and manufactured by an evil villain.
>ZootopiaGay.>SquatopiaNot Gay.
>>146539131>>146539153I guess Fish just don't have minds
>>146546166you can start learninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
>>146538986>Base it on the original setting/story, where predators have to wear the shock collars>Judy's home stays the same except the bully fox was just generally nice, an ideal, mostly mono-ethnic small town>Gives her a sense of everyone getting along, goes to become cop>Gets to Zootopia, plot rolls forward until she breaks protocol while doing meter maid duties to chase a fox (Nick) who ran without his collar>Catches him, he submits and gives his sob story, getting Judy's pity>He takes her to his budding business, Wild life, a place that predators can take off their collars and run free>It all seems good, but suddenly there's a murder/incident, resulting in a prey animal getting hurt by an uncollared predator>Wild Life gets shut down, seen as a danger to prey animals, racial tensions come to the forefront>Nick helps Judy investigate what happened, seems like someone orchestrated the incident, no mind control, just got a prey animal unknowingly in wild life>Culprit is an up and coming politician using racial tension to gain popularity in the polls>Manage to get him in jail through some elaborate ruse>End on a note of racial tensions not being solved but how both sides are going to try working together to make it workIt's rough, but I didn't spend very long on it.
>>146538484This. I really don't think a direct allusion to racism was intended. If that were the case, it would have never been made, for obvious reasons. The fact that so many people on 4chan see it that way shows how much people here have race relations on the brain.
>>146538463>Possum ReviewsThis guy carries the tradition of pointless nitpicking snark that's always selective and hardly ever useful. Like if it was about shapes or colors he'd still be talking about fundamental differences because he's used to anti-racism being "we're all the same". He's starting from a specific faulty premise and applying that standard to nitpick from that angle instead of really addressing the material.
>>146548107The creators themselves said it was based on racism experiments where a classroom of white kids were divided into two groups, one wore white paper collars around their necks. The ones with collars were treated poorly and performed poorly. That experiment was used as a basis for anti-racism. The movie is about prejudice regarding immutable features.
>>146544014>>146544117Given that blood was a plot point, obviously yeah it wasn't going to fly.I remember hearing one of the original plots was Gazelle being mauled by her backup dancers on stage.
>>146538463how about corporations throw away woke cultural frames like 'anti-racism' and focus on making good entertainment instead
>>146548770Zootopia was good. Shrek was woke and it was great. Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>146538463>>146538484Most of the "problems" people have with this film are caused by them thinking it's supposed to be 1:1 with real life.At the end of the day, the movie is about prejudice.
>>146538463>racism/racethose are whole difference SPECIES. fucking retard
>>146539115water+fire= steam Are they really denying or they reaching a new state of matter?
>>146538463Beastars is betterThis: >>146539522
>>146538892>Elon turned it into 4chan without anonymityIs this gonna be the excuse Twittards pull to fit in on 4chan?
>>146549741It's true though. Tumblr and Twitter have completely different users and moderation styles.
>>146548809>Shrek was wokebrainless retard moron piece of shit idiot son of a fucking smelly hateful whore asshole dickhead faggot
>>146550328What's the problem? It was about an oppressed minority group being targeted by traditional power and presented ugliness as beauty. It even had girl power girl boss. It's woke.
>>146538463The thing that bothers me about Zootopia wouldn't the rodents be in control because they can out breed the other animals and if Zootopia is a democracy that means one animal one vote, right?
>>146538463Fucking hell just say you don't like Zootopia because you just don't like it. You don't have to provide some retarded justification for every opinion you have, especially if that means letting the moral of a fucking children's movie go over your head
>>146550415That's average for movies in the 00s. Girl knows karate, grandma is cool, incel in the corner.
>>146542502Equality is an immutable fact. Two things are so similar that they have little to no differences. That is what makes then equal.No matter how much you treat two things that are different the same, they will not be equal.You can treat a short person and a tall person the same when it comes to going on a rollercoaster, but if one of them is too short, they're going to fall out, and if the other is too tall, they'll get their head lobbed off.You saying they're the same height and treating them the same, does not change this.Being equal and being treated equally is not the same thing.
The sheep in that movie was pretty hot
>>146550861>incel in the corner.Wasn't shrek technically an incel for most of his life?
>>146550967>Equality is an immutable fact.That's a silly thing to say.>That is what makes then equal.No, you're thinking of grouping things.
>>146551876No I'm thinking of them being equal or unequal.If you only build stairs, or only build ramps for people to use, both people who can use them and people who can't are being treated equally. You're not doing anything differently for either one.But even though you treat them equally, the person who can't use the stars is going to have a harder time getting into the building, because they're not equal to a person who can, and vise versa.This is why you do things that level the playing field in ways that beings them closer to each other in every day life.With both ramps and stars, both are now more equal in their ability to enter the building, but you've gone out of your way to acknowledge that they weren't equal, and that something had to be done to try and level it out.No matter how much you treat a 5 foot and 7 foot person the same, only one of them will be able to reach the top shelf without any aid.Being equal and being treated equally is not the same thing.
>>146552003By building both stairs and ramps is an admission that we are created equal as if we weren't then we simply wouldn't build the ramps.
>>146552132No, the fact that we need to build something extra for some people to function is an admission that we aren't equal, and that some need extra help.There's nothing wrong with people not being equal, as long as we strive to try and give them equal chances to live a fulfilling life.
>>146546124Which lays bare the cruel facade of reality to state unflinchingly that gingers are pushy assholes, or something like that.
Is this thread dying because a mod came by with their 24-hour ban hammer and hit everyone who was off-topic?>>146551805Technically yes. Shrek's basically the ultimate incel victory.
>>146552132Now THIS is how you bait people.
>>146538484>no bro it’s not about racism>just ignore how every constantly focuses on Judy being a “bunny” >the entire predator prey dichotomy >the scene at the beginning with Gideon>the plot to have all predators muzzled
>>146545897Hope you never have to rely on the police if your house gets broken into or if you get assaulted.Fucking tranny sjw piece of shit cop hater.
>>146538679It's not segregation, it's accommodation.The same way that desks and restrooms in elementary schools are designed for younger children who are much shorter and smaller
>>146538463I feel like you can't have a movie like this but make it canon that at one point the predators actually did used to eat the prey. Like the point of anti-racist ideas are to dismiss stereotypes, but in the case of zootopia, the things the prey are afraid of and harbor negative views about predators over are literally true
>>146554294>It's not segregation, it's accommodation.Funny because that's literally what they said in South Africa.
>>146554476NTA but these are little tiny mouse people. We make clothing in different sizes, bikes in different sizes, toilets in different sizes. What you're talking about is a hierarchy of power, a caste system.
>>146554602Yes, but we don't put all people below 5 feet into a purpose build city borough for them.We don't place everyone in wheelchairs in some ramp filled, stairless community.The fact that they don't build rodent apartment in other parts of the city, means that they can't live anywhere but in Little Rodentia.And mega fauna is barred from living there if they wanted.
>>146554176>your house gets broken into or if you get assaulted.All the cops are gonna do is show up later when its already happened, lazily make a report then forget about it so they can get back to harassing motorists
>>146538463That's funny considering the original pitch for the movie was about how different animals cohabitating would result in a dystopian police state.
>>146538679Yeah it's disgusting how in real life people in wheelchairs are forced to live in houses with wheelchair ramps.
>>146554772Wheelchair ramps are generally built up toward the front of a building where everyone else goes. Wheelchair ramps don't generally lead to another separate building that's only used by wheelchair people.
>>146554650You could almost say that they're... equal, but separate, or something like that.
>>146538463This movie is more realistic than most cartoons. They DO practice integration, but yeah, of course different species will live with their own species most of the time.There's nothing racist about that. The rats live in area that are more suitable for them. Why would they all live in cities when they can't reach shit? You're missing the point of the movie.
>>146554849It's almost like being in a wheelchair is different than being aquatic or tiny.
>>146554899Yeah almost like it's a shitty metaphor, that's something of a theme with this movie isn't it?
>>146538463>here's a world where creatures from different species coexist, with society dealing with radical differences that would be a higher priority than superficial ones>Should we make it a plot about a rabbit finding her place, proving that you don't need to be the strongest or fastest to help society?>No, make her graduate offscreen and add a half assed metaphor for racism even though it doesn't even work for this settingWhat a terrible movie. If they wanted to handle prejudice they should have gone with herbivores vs carnivores. Have both sides be associated with harmful stereotypes, with Judy getting shit for wanting to be a cop despite not having things like hunter eyes, a hunting instinct or a large build. Have her get shit from carnivore cops but her herbivore boss gives her a fair chance. She works hard and overcompensates but ultimately fails because at the end of the day she's still just a tiny rabbit.The villain is a herbivore trying to start a race war by validating the stereotypes. While Judy took the insults as a sign to improve herself the villain wanted to purge carnivores. Two victims of bullying who took the punches differently. The big climax has a scene where they need to break into a building but none of the cops can fit into a small ventilation shaft. It turns out that the tiny rabbit was just what they needed to save the day. The ending has a message about how there's shit you can't change about yourself but it doesn't mean you can't get shit done.TL;DR They should have done what Monsters University did
>make movie about how racism is wrong actually>several years later decide it's offensiveThis is why Trump won and everyone is sick of your shit. Your entire ideology is built around finding new shit to get offended about and it's fucking tiring.Call me in a few years when you faggots start getting offended at bisexual people when you realize their existence implies that a sex binary exists.
>>146554966What are you talking about man? People have been saying this since it came out. There's no change of opinion, this is the same discussion that's been going out since the start. On this very fucking website, no less. Also, OP's pic is a discussion between conservatives. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
>>146538484it really obviously tried to have some racism message in its undertones but it also fumbled it so badly its like they just put it on the backburner and hope nobody would notice. >>146548862thats the problem though, its not prejudice for a prey animal to maybe be a bit distrustful of animals that literally eat them to survive historically. Even if they all 100% dont intent on eating any of them, they also specificaly highlight that they retain their claws and fangs and are incredibly dangerous to the prey animals the moment they decide to stop being peaceful.
>>146538463Zootopia+ worked without any pseudo racism. Hope the sequel has none as well.
>>146554176Yeah without the police who will show up 40 minutes late and shoot your dog?
>>146554966Already happened that's why you have pansexual now.
>>146547691Politics are a game where anger and anxiety are a currency and a resource to be exploited. If you introduce nuance, real nuance without it being slanted one way or another and let people draw conclusions of their own, it disarms anger andanxiety, nobody wins, therefor everyone hates it.
>>146538463I wish I was a tiny mouse lad. I would walk around Zootopia wearing a Gopro hat, recoding up larger animals' skirts, and starting a successful vouyer website.
>>146555309Anon thats how it is IRL. Some races are physically weaker and shorter and some fucking 6'2 giant Bantu African can demolish a little 4'11 pygmy man, mistreat him, enslave him, and kill him eadily, as it happened multiple times in history. Women are weaker than men and feel threatened by men despite them not even noticing, rural people can be taken advantage of by urban people, etc. The movie isn't a 1:1 to any specific race dynamic, its just about scary and big guys and weak and little guys, and who is who changes every second.
>>146538463>Zootopia's message was so stupid and I'm glad more people are calling it out.Didn't the movie outright acknowledge physical differences and co-existence involves acknowledging our difference?>>146539522>>146549714>>146538923I read the ending. It really didn't.>>146540395>The anime Brand New Animal also really fucks up its own message. By the second to last episode you learn the humans were 100% right to exclude the Beastmen because they can go feral and kill anything near them when stressed.Anime for some fucking reason has fucked with its own message for a long time. Naruto & Dragon Ball really shouldn't pretend that hardwork means jackshit over genetics. At least, Dragon Quest Dai doesn't make any pretense of equality and focus on how Dai can't physically and emotionally handle everything himself despite being the hero appointed by fate.
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>>146538463>Rightwing polituber whose original channel was de-monetized hates enjoyable movie with a "racism and sexism are bad, m'kay?" messageMeh. He's never created anything of worth in his life.
>>146538892"4chan without anonymity" is not a concept that makes sense. 4chan is not just a place where people are rude and quarrelsome and say "Faggot". It's impossible for a site with fixed identities where the main method of engagement is following and responding to the accounts of large thought-leaders to be anything like 4chan.
I don't think /co/ enjoys things any more.
>>146539081Pretty sure Possum Reviews spends 90% of his time posting midwit takes on Twitter.
What if Judy had enough one day and decides to rampage through tiny rodent ghetto?
>>146543549Kinda false when Asians are smarter than everyone else and Africans are stronger
>>146556295>and Africans are strongerLol
>>146538832nah these faggots are retarded
>>146549312steam is water
>>146541071>Multiculturalism was never voted for. It was forced upon us.o rly?melting pot wasn't forced upon American peopleunlike separation which is, in fact, forced (see segregation of the past and identity politics of the present)
>>146538463>no one in the world possesses physical needs that make them unable to live the way other people doWell that’s ableist.
>>146556295>White is a balanced meta build>Australoid is hard mode
>>146543737>Black people are more prolific and far more diverse (they go from businessmen to tribesmen in just two countries, no whites can do that)not sure about whites but some asians in Russia are still nomads
>>146538463my biggiest complain with zootopia is how they ignore the entire issue that carnivorous are limited to only eat fish, its never points to the fact that in such case carnivorous would be forced to also consume medication to complete the complete nutrition, since fish alone would never satisfy all needs.the anime beastars did the entire animal city much better showing how insane the entire thing is.eating pople is against the law and see as murder but them places like a literal black market of meat exist and are ignored be the law because if not the entire city would fall to chaos with animals killing each other,
>>146557316That doesn't make much sense either. Beastars would never last as long as it did because there's no cultural pushback against it, predators have literally fuck all reason to be quiet or polite about it since they are not easily oppressed. It's typical Japanese shame culture bleeding into fiction.A meat eating system where life insurance is paid off by carnivores to get some allocated meat off naturally deceased herbicores makes more sense, and if humans put dumb shit in the water and in food to fight off nutrient deficiencies you bet they'd do the same.
>>>/tv/206372292>when op is really desperate for attention
>>146543084The IQ difference has more to do with financial security and location than race. I know so many white people who sound out words and read at like...a middle school level. We are rarely given looks into 2 people with the exact same upbringing with any notable intellectual differences.
>>146557851imagine missing the point THIS hard Room temp iq moment
>>146558013Lithuanians are whiter than any american and they are also dumber than every american
>twitter screencap thread
>>146554966>when you faggots start getting offended at bisexual peoplethe TQIA+ has openly hated the LGB for years now, anon
if anything, WDAS should incorporate the Wilde Times park into the sequel
>>146558166the entire idea of that themepark clashes with nick's character progression in the first movie
>>146558071>durr zootopia isnt realistic because this wouldnt happen IRL>hurr you miss the point if you think the same doesnt apply to other things
>>146558176poor excuse
>>146538463>"Anti-Racism" done wrongIsn't that a good thing?
>>146538463I've started to see Zootopia less about literal racism and more about not judging a book by its cover.>Clawhauser is a fat shiftless Cheetah>Judy is a proactive and combative rabbit>Gideon is a mild mannered farmer>Mr. Big, the biggest criminal in zootopia is a shrew.>The criminal matsermind is literally a sheep.There's a racial aspect to it but primarily I think its more about defying expectations. Nick, himself representing the kind of person who just leans into his stereotype rather than follow his dream.
>>146558160My friend is a bisexual. He is but a simple man that just wants to fuck women and suck dicks. Then trannies had to show up and ruin things for everyone.
>>146547910>plant proteinsWell that'll kill the cats and mustelids and maybe most of the canines.
>>146548544What was that experiment supposed to prove? Sounds like it's a torture session, especially since kids don't forget being treated badly, even if it's pretend.
>>146558618I assume it's mostly supplemental, and that fish makes up the majority diet for larger carnivores.Weird that birds aren't on there, since that would solve the issue pretty easily.
>>146558618>>146558681And bugs are just those fat juicy grubs from lion king that simba ate with timon and pumba. So disney lore already has a lion living off of insects just fine.
>>146539277People naturally segregate and you're still wrong.
>>146545173The advance of social liberalism changed the landscape, boxing all religious Cristians into the same corner, so now people don't remember, but back in the day, WASPs used to burn with vitriolic hatred for "papists". Even as late as the Kennedy era, a significant porrion of the society distrusted him because they feared he'd take orders from Vatican. The Protestant/Catholic cold war is one of the aspects of religious life parodied in Moral Orel, to make the post more /co/ related.
Different races as animals never works. Humans are humans, trying to make it seem like the color makes as much of a difference as being a different species is stupid and never goes into just how much more difficult house a black and an asian guy into a one small room vs an elephant and tiger.
>>146558931Such metaphors break down in all storytelling if you take them literally. Well most fictional storytelling breaks down if you start analyzing any of it seriously. Big plot holes and characters being absolutely retarded because the plot needs them to move along and all that shit.Just depends if you're willing to take the hand waving away of some things. The worst is usually magic, it is either all powerful or completely useless depending on what the writer needs it to be at any given moment.
>>146558931I remember old school "magical racism" focusing on how ridiculous it looks from outside. Like that Star Trek episode when two races were half (litetally) black and white but one was right-white/left-black and the other had it swapped. Or that legendary EC comic about multi-colored robots (based on a short story).
>>146558976Yeah, i can't think of any big story with 0 plot holes. Tiny stories can get that low by being too short to have a plot at all.
So how about Cars 2 and its eugenics?
>>146558931Using animals as a metaphor for racial conflicts comes off as some age of exploration shit.>Well of course, those dar-I mean, predators are a different species, they can't help it. But we shouldn't look down on them for being savages (aren't we virtuous!). We must put them on leashes and force the predator out of them because they're too incompetent and stupid to control themselves, unlike us the enlightened eur-I mean, preys. It's our duty to take care of them and fix their inferior existence!It makes racism come off as a natural conclusion that shouldn't be meddled with and that all the effort put into reducing it is a losing battle. Star Trek did it better. It took meeting aliens to end racism because crab people with swords were a bigger deal than a darker skin. Humanity didn't overcome the problem through multiculturalism, they just found a common enemy they could redirect their attention to.
>>146559759That, and wanting to bop exotic alien babes
>>146541290Good post
>>146540467This is a problem with media writ large. No matter how liberal the writer, nobody seems to want to write about a cop protagonist that's just following the law correctly, never breaking the law to get things done. Even paperwork loving Nicholas Angel had to break some laws.
>>146539748buddy cop movie for furries > twilight for furries
>>146547808It's freedom, personified
>>146540523You’re saying that men have a natural inclination toward violence that is pretty much under control, but women manipulate them into violence and then use their fear of the consequences of their actions to further stoke resentment between sexes?Sorta unrealistic…
the message is that rabbits have big asses
>>146555523anime never has any messages, its just random stuff strung together
>>1465412014chan has been meatriding far-right twitter ecelebs ever since Elon bought it
>>146547808>>146560635>Squatopia>can make a living off your seed>Zootopia>can't make a living off your seedIt's clear who the winner is here.
>Racism is still bad even if people actually do have physical and mental differencesSeems like an extremely easy to understand message, and honestly a significantly better one than 'every human is the exact same'
>>146562998There's a difference between different kinds of human and a whole separate species.
>>146562998yeah and you get fags like this >>146563748 who think there's no biological differences between races
>>146543814Some animals are more equal than others.
>>146538463I've literally been hearing this exact shit parroted since the movie has come out. I don't fucking think the furries give a fuck. They just want to goon.
>>146563803Also it's a great movie.
>>146538463I haven't even watched the movie. I only fap to the sheep smut.
>>146563760You're taking liberties with your interpretation of my words as to validate your bias.
>>146538463How does a democracy work with rodents being able to vote? They'd have all the power in society.
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>>146564401They address that with demographic stats of preds vs prey animals
>>146538463>it's wrong to point out realityThe fuck?
>>146538892>4chan without anonymitySo an ocean without water?
>>146538484Awful pivot, faggot, post that shit on pisskey
>>146563803Most insightful post in thread.>>146563874It was mid. It didn't anger me enough to complain about it on the internet, and I'm also not it's biggest fan. I mean for fuck's sake the main villain is a tiny sheep with massive rams as henchmen.
>>146538463...how is this bad, again?
>>146560577It is twilight that derails into baki, but furry.
>>146539347>>146539183>>146539202Genuinely one of the most intelligent messages I've ever seen an animated children's movie deliver - it discusses structural racism and how commercialism affects art and does so in a way that isn't condescending and preachy it just accepts it as a reality, and showcases it
>>146564055>races are different equates to biasYou sounds brainwashed bro
>>146539522Zootopia 2 should have more interactions like these.
>>146539522Not really, it's a fucking acid trip of a story. Every other story beat is kind of over the top just because. Classmates of the same size can rip each other's fucking arm off just by pulling a little too hard because one just happens to be a predator.No, that's not how it works, that's not how anything fucking works.Outside of bears, most predators aren't the largest animals in their ecosystems. That would be more like moose, deer, bison, and others that while they don't usually hunt and attack other things, can fucking break bones with kicks, or stab things to death with their horns.The societies these stories try to portray are literally fucking impossible once you notice how the fucking elephants, rhinos, hippos, etc could just fucking crush any predator that got bloodthirsty ages ago and killed off those aggressive lineages. All the predators should be more like pets at worst, if no one fucking teaches them anything at all they might just bite anything they see for fun, but they would get behavioral correction immediately.
>>146544079/threadWhat I learned from Zootopia is that the ewes are the source of everyone's problems.
>>146566259>Classmates of the same size can rip each other's fucking arm off just by pulling a little too hard because one just happens to be a predator.>No, that's not how it works, that's not how anything fucking works.It's magic.
>>146566259This, Beastars is fun, but it's not really good once you finish it and realize that hardly any plot point is cohesive. I know most fiction is made up as it goes, especially when the format is weekly publication, but you can see how it would be better if it did what just made sense to begin with: focus on the murder mystery and Beastar competition. Drama club antics are welcome too, going through lion yakuza battle shonen made it spin out instantly.
>>146539522At first.Then it went full retard when it turned into another generic shonen/hero manga.
>>146567951>Wanted a sweet romance between wolf and rabbit with societal drama subplots>Rabbit is barely in the fucking manga and makes up like 15% screen(page?)time despite being the entire motivation>They introduced fucking standsThe comic had so much wasted potential. For every cool bit of world building it introduced the story got dumber and dumber.
>146556704>melting pot wasn't forced upon American peopleLol yes it was, the founding fathers wanted to send none whites back to their country of origin they just wouldn't go.
>>146568852Meant for>>146556704
>>146568852>Land sakes, Boregard, I done told all my slaves they need to take their darkness on back to Africa but they just refuse to leave the farm! Do they think they're being kept here against their will?! Oh but it is a hot one today, I need another sip of mint julip.
>>146545609>Racists think they are better than othersWhere do you get this shit? Racists don't think they're better, they think others are worse. Thinking blacks are all dumb is not the same as thinking he is intelligent. The average racist does not think the people of his race are transcendent betters, the race(s) he hates are aberrations who don't behave or whatever the fuck.
>>146569472>The average racist does not think the people of his race are transcendent betters, he just thinks the other races are inherently inferior to him, based on his innate superiority which was earned by being born the right color!ok
>>146569565Do you know what a frame of reference is?
>>146569647do you know what a logical consequence is?
>>146538679>SegregationWhere? Before they all lived in different continents, now they live in a single city. City that provides for needs of all different animals. It's like whining that there's a toilet for handicapped people.I say animals being united despite being different is a much stronger message than the shallow "difference is illusion, everyone's the same" message.
