So we all agree that while the animation was great, the story was a fucking mess and it was insanely boring
>>147080071That was my general opinion. I hate multiverse shit, I hate Spider-Rangers shit, so it's not for me.
>>147080071Miguel was fun
The idea that thousands of Spider-Men are okay with people dying "for the greater good(?)" when the entire point of the fucking character is to never let people die when you can save them baffles me The first movie was fun and pretty goodThen it's like the writers got coked up and just thought "What if we made an ANTI-Spiderman film?"
>>147080071Yeah >>147080138All to prop Miles up as more "Spider-Man" then them
I don't get it, why is she pregnantIs it an empowerment thing? A fetish????
>>147080071The entire concept of spiders thinking you need to suffer a loss to be a hero is fucking stupid. The whole point of PETER is to prevent that from happening to other people. These writers fundamentally misunderstand the concept of spider-man. But what else do you expect from the group trying to wrestle the mantle away from the true spider-man. "Anyone can wear the mask" get fucked. Anyone can wear A mask. But Peter Parker IS Spider-man. Nobody else.
>>147080071>wekill (You)rself>>147080178It’s another DEI thing. I’ve seen a fitness commercial with a pregnant woman in the squat rack. It wasn’t directly spotlighted, they were just pretending that’s the normal type of person you see in the gym.
>>147080178The comic character she was based on was written by a dude with a pregnancy fetish. So yes technically.
>>147080071The fact that it's taking them this long just to script the second part proves they wrote themselves into a corner that they can't get out of. All just to prop up Miles while tearing down the entire IP in the process.
>>147080071ITSV gave the writers confidence that if the movie looked good enough many people would ignore the flaws in the script even if they were many, important and obvious, and that people would associate good things with Miles even if the consequences of his presence constantly made the movie worse, ATSV's mistake was that they took it too far and the delay of the next movie killed the hype.
The next film will totally make up for the garbage story don't worry
>>147080178it's not even funny how many unsold Marvel Legends figures of her block the stuff I'm trying to look for or consider getting in future.
>One of the canon events is getting bit by a spider>except for Miguel,Ben Reily and Spyder Byteit's genuinely retarded to introduced these rules and then introduce characters this doesn't apply to. The main conflict is stupid
>>147080178She's such a downgrade from what she normally looks like. They also made Spider-Girl some look like a power lifter.
>>147080851It's supposed to be meta but it still doesn't work because at least one of those universes must have multiple spider people actually we know this for a fact because Riley says he's a clone
>>147080138>>147080161>>147080313>>147080851>>147080898It's a meta movie about fans arbitrarily considering Miles not to be a "real spiderman" even though they forgave the other variations of it. It's a love letter and a reminder to the franchise where it tells the stuck up fans to chill. Media is not real and it is fun if they break rules or conventions instead of sticking to arbitrary rules that hold the franchise back.It's like Grant Morrison's Animal Man run, but done with MIles Morales.
>>147081426First movie already did a good job of that and didn't need to drag everyone else threw the mud.
One little detail in it liked was in the scene with "evil Miles" he speaks with a heavier accent than "good Miles" which is unexplained. But could be because in a universe where his father is dead he would have been living in a completely Spanish speaking household.
>>147081523The other Spidermen were intended to represent the toxic fans who shat on Miles for not being a real Spiderman, most of them ended up embracing him except for Miguel
>>147081426>It's a love letter and a reminder to the franchiseTaking the mantle off peter and giving it to a random kid and telling the audience that anyone can be spiderman under that mask but it's important to know that the new spiderman is black is not a love letter to anything. It's fucking revisionism. Peter Parker is spiderman. Up until recently 95% of all multiversal spidermen were peter parkers in some form. This explosion of explicitly not peters is revisionist bullshit an anti-spiderman. It's actively diluting the brand, removing what made the character so strong in the first place and actively shitting on what came before it in the name of 'inclusion'. Neck yourself and your shitty opinions.
>>147081560>Ruin everyone else's reputation so you're forced to like MilesWould it be fair to Miles fan If the in the next movie he starts acting like a creepy incel or tries to drown MayDay in a bathtub to be meta?
>>147080138https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlk1ispzTZQIn case you weren't aware Greg Weisman said that exact thing, that he doesn't accept that his version of Peter would have ever gone along with Miguel's plan under any circumstances.
>>147081581Also a lot of Miles fans insist that Miles is a great legacy but will never tell you what he brings to the table. Sure some of the backlash against him is racially motivated but let's not pretend like that isn't used as a shield. People shit on Spider-Boy for being derivative but how is Miles any different?
>>147080071I wouldn't call it boring but the entire idea of trying to exploit the decades worth of incarnations of the character into a convoluted multiverse plot doesn't really appeal to me. All it does is shine a light on how saturated the market is and how limited Hollywood's ambitions are.
>>147080118It’s really disappointing to have Spider-Man 2099 introduced for Miles to go “I’m going to do my own thing.”
>>147080071>So we all agree that while the animation was greatGod no.>>147081426>>147081560Your post made me realize something. I was only seeing half the picture with the race fetishists, the scrawny black nerd who'd hate himself enough to self-insert as Miles never really made sense... but with you bringing up the fabricated oppression of a character receiving multiple big budget movies, games, runs and it finally clicked: Nepobabies. Miles is the champion of nepobabies. They saw the blandest motherfucker around with no interests, skills or achievements who got repeatedly launched into prominence and went "he's me... I... thank you #representationmatters". Think about it, the way he forces himself to be to something he's not (hispanic, black, heroic, Spider-Man, 616 native), his phony, sheltered fashion sense, the way everyone treats him as a gun was pointed to their heads and how he crumbles when ONE person doesn't worship the wall he crawls on. And what's the message of his arc? "Fuck you, got mine."
>>147080071>the story was a fucking mess>multidimensional superhero group tries to kill a cop because they see a black child with a father as a universal irregularity
>>147081657Yeah Spectacular of all people should be a Spider-Man who's strongly opposed to Miguel's plan
>>147080071Rewatched the first movie a half dozen times. Loved it.2nd movie was dogshit and it's not even finished. I felt like I was the only person who hated it when it came out. THe internet wouldn't stop sucking its cock.
>>147081560It probably would’ve been smarter to just make a good movie with miles as the lead rather than shitting on everyone and everything with no idea of how to end the story. But hey, whose ever heard of propaganda spreading divisive hate yo justify itself?
>>147080071The Spider Society feels like it's just padding out the runtime with references.
>>147081969I loved it too but after some time had passed and then hype went away I realized it's glaring issues
>>147081835Good point nobody heroic can say anything negative about him even in movies, shows, comics or real life. Everything just has to accept that this guy is just as much Spider-Man as Peter if not more so.
>>147081426Yeah, no. Fuck that.
>>147081426>It's a love letter lollmaoThe only thing it's a lover letter is to Miles and Miles only. Even the characters from the first movie that everyone loved got sidelined and turned into cameos.
>>147080071Yep, I’m not one who hates miles with all his soul or whatever but this film clearly has a chip on its shoulder and was the perfect opportunity to let Miles stand on his own rather than constantly having to prove himself in every piece of media he’s in
>>147080137If you don't actually like Miguel, sure
>>147081426>it's a love letter to Spider-Man because it shits on every version of Spider-Man besides Miles
>>147080178Women get pregnant. It's a thing they do
>>147083020Then she should be in the kitchen.
>>147080071>The animation was great lol how. It's choppy and shitty
>>147081969The rest of the internet still hypes up ATSV like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, too. I'm hoping that as more time goes by more people will start to see the godawful flaws in the writing and plot, but that might be a big much to ask of the general audience.
I liked all the stuff with The Spot as one of my fave C-list villains even before the film and wish it could've just focused on him growing as a villain without the Spider-Society/character assassination of like 80% of Spider-people that weren't decided by the creators were in the right/ok to question the meta bullshit.
>>147080071>the story was a fucking mess and it was insanely boringBoring isn't the right term since the pacing was insanely fast. Garbage would suit it more.
>>147080071Complicating things with all that spider society stuff, "canon events" was taking fun out of already stale multiverse concept. Changing Miguel into an angsty tragic angry antihero who looks like he was made for daddy fetish autists is bad. Making story so convoluted you need two movies to cover it is bad even without shit that happened with the third film's production. tl;dr the first movie had rectified how bad the original Slott's Spider-Verse shit was (and Benis' Miles shit too) and then second just went and made it shit again.
>>147080071while the multiverse thing is not bad>we have billions of spidermans all working together in the multiverseis dumb. The first ones was fun, because they were thrown together, but a whole ass organization behind it is dumb. But it features romance and I ate that up. If I would been a teen, and while not black, this would been one my favourite series of all time.
>>147083020Why try to rage bait me? Like I don't get it. You understand what the problem with her being pregnant is, are you a bot or something?
>>147081835i hate this cunt
Trans Gwen
>>147083451what is the problem?
>>147084863The same with Peter bringing his baby into the fight
Why is the animation all choppy. Whats the fucking point.
>>147080490How does gregnancy fetish even work? Are they aroused by the fetus/baby? Fucking gross
>>147084927It's quirky and represents a comic book....somehow
>>147080071The story is horrible, it's that habit of these studios trying to create something new like this new Spider-Man cartoon while just following the original like animes do and gain billions and millions of fans with it, but these Hollywood producers they are the dumbest, Feige, Amy Pascal. And the concept designer demonstrates that directors and producers don't understand the simple formula for teenage superheroes to work, they have to be physically attractive because teenagers of the same age and younger can identify with making Gwen with a boy's body is one of those stupid ideas, the toys won't sell, did you see that in this 10 years of Marvel with Disney, Hasbro are broke, Spider-Verse is a show of mistakes, do I need to talk to Gwen trans?
>>147080071I liked the first one better, because it was smaller in scope. The second one was a big mess, and Miguel kinda has a point, even if he is a big of a hypocrite.
>>147081426This is a compelling explanation of why films like this shouldn't be made. A "reminder to the franchise" and message to stuck-up fans is a completely trivial waste of time and effort.The fictional narratives of franchises should not become about the franchises themselves, entries in them should not revolve around allegorically litigating fandom discourses on which story ought to be told. Nobody with a life gives a shit. It divorces the narrative from anything real or anything that matters.Animal Man is actually a helpful comparison, because Morrison went all the way and broke the fourth wall, inserting himself as the author and explicitly discussing the larger theme of how we as readers relate to fictional characters. He poked fun at comic industry clichés but it was much more than a parochial masturbation session about "the franchise" or trying to chastise a rival subset of fans. In fact it was more about his vegetarianism and his late cat.That's why its meta gimmickry is fondly remembered, whereas this trilogy and its shit about 'canon events' will go down as an embarrassing clusterfuck when it's all over.
The spider-verse was a mistake, everything revolving around it is terrible.
The attempt at metafiction in AtSV doesn't work, because half of what it's trying to comment on is shit made up specifically for this film and not actually anything that's a significant part of the Spider-Man mythos.>canon events and the idea of universal collapseNever been a plot point in any Marvel multiverse story prior to this>Captain Stacy's death being importantGeorge Stacy showed up in only two Spider-Man adaptations before this (Spectacular Spider-Man and the Andrew Garfield duology) and only died in one of them>Spider-SocietyDidn't exist the way it did prior to this>Miguel O'Hara being the aggressive, antagonistic leader of said Spider-Society who hates Miles for being a pretenderNever been his characterisation or his role in Spider-Man prior to this>countless versions of Spider-Man being okay with utilitarian 'you have to let these people die for the greater good'Literally never been the fucking case whatsoever
>>147080071It's good until he leaves his own universe and the council of Spider-Men gets introduced then it gets really stupid and bad very fast. The fact that they can spend this much money on movies where the entire point of the movie is to scold fans who say mean things on the Internet is mind boggling. Tasteless, meaningless waste of time.
>>147081426Its embarrassingly on the nose and making movies entirely to comment on fandom wars is retarded. Its not smart. Its been done 1000 times over anyway. Why do people act like it being "meta" makes it smart?
>>147085186This. The idea that a significant part of Spider-Man fans insist that a series of events have to happen and that they have to happen in a certain order is made up. I lot of Slidey fans probably don't even know about Captain Stacy's death because they haven't read the comics. Same thing with Gwen's death because it didn't happen in the original trilogy or spectacular.
>>147085186>only died in one of themNot only that but the lizard is not Andrew-Man's arch-enemy as well and Captain Stacy didn't try saving a child but needlessly sacrificed himself to buy some time.
>>147081835>That one AI video of the hung mushroom
>>147082898Nobody actually cares about Miguel.>>147080161>the movie was made to prop up the main characterWhoa...!!
>>147080071I generally liked it.
Wonderful bait post there
>>147080071>So we all agree that while the animation was great, the story was a fucking mess and it was insanely boringIt felt like 2 episodes of a 6 episode show
The idea of Miles feeling immense guilt from Miguel telling him he wasn't meant to be Spoder-Man and his Spidey died because of it would be interesting if the film didn't immediately deflect it with him just saying "UM NO, YOU'RE WRONG. IMMA DO IT MY OWN WAY!"
Honestly the film would've been much better if it focused on Gwen instead. Her story about revealing herself to her father after the Vulture fight, feeling betrayed, and tricking Miguel into joining their society so she can escape to Miles' universe and try to stay "in a place where she feels she belongs" while Miguel and the other Spider-Men try to go after her convince her that she's an anomaly that will only cause more damage if she stays there (make it so Gwen is responsible for The Spot's turn from comedy goofball to a serious threat bent on destroying the world) and in the end man fuck it I'm just writing fanfic I guess I was so disappointed with this movie. I'm not looking forward to Beyond at all.Also>2023: Across>Nothing in 2024>Nothing in 2025>Nothing in 2026>Beyond MIGHT come out in 2027 if production isn't fucked (which it is)Awful scheduling
>>147080071Remember when Beyond the Spider-Verse was set to be released in March 2024?
>>147084863superheroes are heroic because theyre risking THEIR life to save others. if spider man strapped an infant to his chest then fought the lizard hed be called an irresponsible asshole. if she intends to have that baby shes a fucking terrible mother for endangering it in the way she has.
>>147086237No it should've been about miguel >Miguel is doing stuff in his universe>notice's some dimensional bullshit going on>other spider-people from the first movie come with him to help and go through a bunch of dimensions no retarded spider-society shit or "you're the anomamly/canon event" crap, it's just a simple yet bigger multiverse movie
>>147086237Real blow to the Miles momentum that his only successful property is on indefinite hiatus
>>147084902>>147086346It literally made no sense for peter to bring mayday, he could've shown miles the pictures of her on his phone when they had that talk. He's just acting irresponsibly because "lol goofy dad with his baby". They really ruined his character
>>147080071agreed, basically. also a little discussed plot point that sucks but is more funny than anything, the named characters and leaders of this spider society are all the most disparate spider people like Miguel, Gwen, black spider woman, the hologram, then there's just a sea of peters. it makes it look like the peters are some sort of slave caste that does the spider society's grunt work.
>>147086237I don't know why but I really fucking hate Spider-Gwen
>>147083425>The first ones was fun, because they were thrown together, but a whole ass organization behind it is dumbHonestly, more than Miguel's treatment, removing the fun factor from practically every aspect of the first movie is why I really don't like this one. It's understandable for Miles juggling between civilian and Spider-Man life, but it felt like his relationship with his Father deteriorated a little, Gwen and Peter B hiding secrets from Miles, and The Spider-Society feeling more organized and Corporate than fun variants happening to wind up where they are. It is a very unfun movie and didn't need to be made. I truly do think Beyond will stick the landing, but I doubt it'll change my opinion on that.
>>147086382>>147086346I can sorta forgive Peter bringing May to the Society to see Miles since he didn't know there would be trouble but that ending shot of him bringing her along to save Miles is irredeemable Everyone in this movie is an awful parent
>>147086383I...never noticed that yeah what the fuckAt least one or two Peter Parkers should be in charge or the highest up. Makes no sense to have him just be a bunch of basically mooks
>>147086494It's very much intentional, This movie is all about making Peter less special.
>>147080138All the other Spidermen are right. Miles is wrong. The fact people can't understand this from the outset, as I did the moment it happened, is crazy. But Miles turning against them is still believable because he did save the Police chief in Mumbattan and they managed to salvage that world + his emotional state at the time causing him to act. Any other Spiderman who might have acted similarly stupidly, Miguel could have vetted out, as he did Miles. Miles was rejected from the Spider society.And >>147081657 is wrong, creator or no. I hope we all accept Death of the Author by now.https://youtu.be/_6okWXxsDN4?si=3Yby76Tj58siJwMU&t=3203I will say it's retarded he was able to escape back to his world from all the other Spidermen. That is the biggest problem with the movie. It definitely has more problems than Into the Spiderverse but at the same time it has more to like about it, so I go back and forth on which I like better, they're the two best Spiderman movies
>>147086587>they're the two best Spiderman moviesFucking ESL zoomers
>>147086717Just ignore him
>>147086237Based Gwen story where she feels she belongs with Miles’ cock.
>>147086399I like her because she's sexy
>>147086789She’s is.
>>147086774Nobody said a fucking word about Miles, Chang
>>147086587>All the other Spidermen are right. Miles is wrong.Is this supposed to be a defence of the film? The question is why create this fictional scenario in the first place?We don't actually live in a world where random people are mandated to tragically die for the sake of the universe, but if we did and we knew, we would understandably want to change that rather than passively allowing it to continue. The idea that nobody will be there to do the right thing or save lives unless complete innocents are killed first, to traumatize heroes into existence, is a bizarre and naturally repulsive one. What's the intended effect of a narrative where participating in this system is presented as the "right" thing (or, more likely, one where it's actually wrong but countless version of Spiderman insist it's acceptable and must go unchanged)?Can't you see why people, and certain fans of Spiderman, think this is a lame and disappointing story to be telling? Who wants to watch these heroes resigning themselves to human sacrifice from a deterministic point of view instead of fighting to create a better world?Everyone 'understands' this film perfectly well, it's not complicated. You on the other hand seem to have not grasped that stories exist on a deeper level than explaining why they're internally consistent.
Peni is a much better love interest than Gwen
>>147080071Yeah, I have little faith in beyond
>>147087101>>of all possible universes, Gwen wasn’t to goes to Miles where she feels she belongs.
Sorry, Peni is for robot sex (that I join in with when I feel like it)
>>147087225Oh whoops I misreadThen he should amend his plot rewrite to remove all mentions of Miles
>>147086939That pose isn't sexy it's dumb
>>147087282No
>>147086494>>147086539>excuse me but can you please stop talking They Peter such a bitch in the movie
>>147086237Nah. Felt nothing watching Gwen's story in Across the Memeverse. I think I hate her more than Miles. She only has the fuckable design going for her. At least with Spin I feel for him trying prevent his father from dying because a bunch of lunatics calling themselves "heroes" want to kill him.
Any pose Gwen does is good.
>>147086774>>147087225Hey Shameik.
>>147087663Wow what a coincidence that the moment this “Hailee doesn’t like Shameik” thing started, all the “Gwen is trans” posts went away.Gee what a coincidence.Fuck you hateful bitches!
>>147087761Don't worry, shitterfag! When SpiderGwen gets her live action portrayal by Hunter Schafer, I'm sure Shameik will go after "her" too!He's going down the list of Spider-Man actresses after all!
>>147087761Gwen is trans
>>147087523Just admit you hate women dude
>>147087896You will never be a woman
>>147081426It's a love letter to lefties that worship diversity dogma
>>147080071sure
>>147087870You wish!!Filthy anon
>>147087761>Why are people talking about new thing instead of old thing?
>>147087663All we need know is for the screenwriters to pull another meta commentary and showcase how much of a creep Miles is.
>>147088044>[Miles drops Gwen off to her dimension]>Now that everything's over Gwen...how about a date?>Actually...remember when I told you about how Gwen Stacys who fall for Spider-Man die and you just brushed off my existential worries completely? Yeah, no thanks.>B-But...after all this, I thought we had something...>It's okay Miles, you inspired me to do something important.>What's that?>[Gwen waves at Flash in the distance as he comes out of the football field]>My own thing.
>>147087946Of course, I'm a manNow can you be honest too?
>>147088145Gwen should date the Liz Allen from her world to really run salt into the wound
>>147088162Glad you changed your mind but now you're a dickless wimp!
>>147088212Please stop deflecting and answer the question originally given, why don't you just admit you hate women?
>>147086939
>>147088145>|Miles starts getting angry and walks twords them|>|A symbiot takes over Flash's face|>Don't even try it little buddyEnd it at a sequel hook.
>>147088228You haven't given me an "original" question. You were just projecting about me hating women like the troon you are.
>>147088261My question is Why don't you just admit you hate women?Answer the fucking question
>>147088235It might be funnier if Earth-65 Flash is just a super cool guy that just fanboys over superhero shit, making Miles feel even worse as a result.>Whoa dude, you can do spider stuff too? Wicked!>You from another universe? That's so sick, man!>Yo Gwendy, you gotta take me with you next time! The boys are not gonna believe this!>[Miles looks dead inside]
>>147088305Again. You didn't give me a question. You are just projecting like a troon and you will never be a woman. Either ask something or dilate.
>>147088345I'm starting to think you guys are bots cause Everytime on every board you guys never answer the questions given it's always deflection for the sake of rage bait
>>147088371Perhaps people would answer you if you didn't project so much like a troon. Something tells me this isn't the first time people noticed you trying to be a woman on the internet without success.
>>147088371You will never be a woman
>>147088371Your typing style is familiar. Are you Greco-Scottish by any chance?
I don't know why you samefagged three times but I'm not replying anymore
Unfortunately Miles just can't beat the allegations that everyone around him gets pulled down to prop him up.
>>147088564You're trooning out again.
All I need is for Miles to not get with Gwen and I'll buy out an entire showing, Sony
>>147088793Sorry anon. She’s his bitch now. Comics version will follow. That’s why Gwen lives in 616 now.
>>147088806The comics already tried that but gave up on it immediately after Bendis left. That pairing is cursed in every universe, including real life.
>>147088806Le Hailee face.jpgAnyways I'm sure they'd give him that black spider girl hologram bitch as a consolation prize
>>147088825
>>147088978Hey, Shameik.
>>147080071I fucking hate the concept of Miles and hope someday he is retconned as a flawed black character who doesn't pretend to be Spiderman, where other superheroes and villains give him shit and he actually develops into his own identity. In fact his entire existence is tainted and they should delete him from existence and start over if they want to make a proper street level black superhero who isn't designed after tokenism.
Inshallah may the third movie disappear into oblivion, never to be seen
>>147088793The fallout from it would be hilarious and givin Moore's behavior it would be fitting
>>147085186Canon events are such a retarded concept all the way through that it's infuriating that people try and seriously debate it>Hur dur Miles should let his dad die for muh greater goodI fucking hate Miles but he's making the Spider-Man choice. That's why this is shit, Miles is the only one acting the way Spider-Man would and that's on purpose to make him look better than everyone else
>>147089195Exactly it's like they don't know how to make Miles likable without making him a Peter clone or damaging everything else's reputation. Miles is so cool that houndreds of more experienced spider characters can't catch him.
Question, if Peter had the chance to go back in time and stop Uncle Ben from dying, but it would mean he never becomes Spider-Man, would he do it?
>>147089385I'm pretty sure he's shown doing exactly that in a comic somewhere, just snatches up the thief that was going to kill Ben with little hesitation.
>>147089407I like that, it's a pretty hard choice for him to make cause all the people he saved as Spider-Man might end up dying. Just to save one life that was close to his. Would be an interesting "is this selfish of me?" Plot but I was just curious
>>147081666Spiderboy is a cute shota Miles is a nigga There a difference
>>147089195The worst part of it is that normies see the movies as an absolute authority. None of them care about comic books, so they don't care whether ItSV/AtSV actually got the soul of Spider-Man right or not. All that matters to them is the fact that the movies act like they're entirely right, and the general audience doesn't know any better so they take the films as gospel.Which is why people do actually debate ""canon events"" as if they're an idea worth discussing in the first place.
>>147089707The art style has successfully fooled people into believing it's an accurate adaptation of the characters involved>Whoa they used comic panels and he said the event was ASM89!>They must know what they're talking about!!!
I hate the movie simply for using my boy Miguel as a strawman stand-in for what the creators view Miles detractors as.He doesn't deserve to be utilized as such.Oh, and all of the secondary women/homos who started lusting after him because they're deranged also need to seek help.
>>147089736It's the strangest thing. The general audience doesn't actually CARE about comic books, but if they're told a movie or a show is "comic accurate" then they'll go nuts for it regardless of how disingenuous it really is. Just look at how many people are fawning over Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for it's supposed "60s inspired artstyle," when the only 60s-related idea in the entire show seems to be that Peter wears a blue jacket over a yellow vest. Nothing else about the show is 60s even in the fucking slightest.
>>147089810I'd rather have the Migger simps over the Miles self-inserters any day of the week. At least the former are kinda funny with how unhinged their fantasies get.
>>147089810As much as I hate it, at least Miguel's shitty new costume means it's an easy way to spot secondaries who only know Miggy from ATSV
>>147089031I’m actually Dove Cameron
>>147089810Yeah
>>147088234Damn baby.
>>147089810Everything will be torn down, enjoy your new gods
>>147082898Nobody likes Miguel outside of the Shattered Dimensions game
>>147084902That’s not a problem. It’s funny and cute and it’s a fucking kids movie.
>>147091386Oh you're one of those
>>147080851First of all it not specifically a spider. Ham states in the first movie that he got bitten by a radioactive pig. Second, Miguel is injecting the radioactive shit and Ben is literally a clone of Peter
Why was Penny barely in the movie tho
>>147084863Retard ask why a woman was pregnant then got told why and lost his shit
>>147086717They obviously are. The Zoomers are right about some things.>>147087201>Is this supposed to be a defence of the film?Yes because it refutes the criticisms in this thread that all the other Spidermen are made stupid while Miles is made better and special. BeyondTSV may or may not bend over backwards making Miles just lucky enough for his stupidity to be rewarded, but that's neither here nor there.> The question is why create this fictional scenario in the first place?Because they wanted to and it makes for a sick ass story>We don't actually live in a world where random people are mandated to tragically die for the sake of the universe, but if we did and we knew, we would understandably want to change that rather than passively allowing it to continueSure, if it can be changed. The Spiderpeople see no way in which it could be, and aren't about to risk a universe by trying.>The idea that nobody will be there to do the right thing or save lives unless complete innocents are killed first, to traumatize heroes into existence, is a bizarre and naturally repulsive one.It's a fact that suffering of various kinds leads to building stronger people and can forge them into heroes. This IS in fact the story of all Spidermen I know of, and all Spidermen in their multiverse. The Canon events are an in-universe extension of the classic Spiderman story.>What's the intended effect of a narrative where participating in this system is presented as the "right" thing Moral complexity and preparing people for the hard choices in life.>Can't you see why people, and certain fans of Spiderman, think this is a lame and disappointing story to be telling?Nope>Who wants to watch these heroes resigning themselves to human sacrifice from a deterministic point of view instead of fighting to create a better world?Me and 34 million others.>Everyone 'understands' this film perfectly well, it's not complicated.I don't think so.
>>147086237This wouldn't be better just different
>>147091386>it’s a fucking kids movie.This is what pisses me off about fags like this, even if you're baiting. They want to go around saying animation is an artform and deserves respect for mature themes and shit, and use ATSV as an example, but when you criticize the writing and themes they go back around and "it's just a kids movie, relax". Which one is it then?
>>147086383You mean of all 2 leaders we see in Spider-society? Oh, the statistical improbability!
>>147080178Didn't the artist who designed her have high hopes that she'd become a fan favorite? I remember reading that somewhere?
>>147092037Ok
>>147086237>give Gwen more screen time and an expanded backstory>shes still the most boring Spider-PersonIncredible
>>147080071It was one of the most garbage movies I've ever seen. The eye candy of Gwen and the overall spectacle of the animation don't count for shit when I have to turn my brain off to suffer through this fuckin' trainwreck of a movie. Time travel and multiverse shenanigans ruin everything (except Back to the Future) and this movie destroyed both itself and the previous film in the process.Seeing sexy Gwen would only have been worth it if it was a porn, but she wasn't even sexualized at all. There wasn't even any fanservice, no lingering shots of her cute but, no gaze on her breasts or tummy, she was never barefoot, etc. So even as something for pure pleasure, to turn your brain off to, it was a failure.Also, Miles is god-awful.
>>147091782Don't want to overshadow Miles
>>147080138The problem with Miles he's a Sidekick, the multi-universe stole everything of Peter Parker for fill the lack of any important storyline, mythology or villain.
>>147087761So what you’re saying is that miles is chasing after a troon that isn’t interested in him? That’s the kinda self insertion you sad niggas like?
>>147080071I liked it, the first movie was betteralso hate how horrifically they downplayed and ho'd the other Spider-Men, especially Ben Reilly, in the artbook he's labeled as a "brooding 90's callback" when in nearly every form of media he's anything but that, if anything that would've applied to Peter far greater during the period of time the Scarlet Spider was conceived, hence why the entire story was made in the first place.
>>147081426>It's a meta movie>It's like Grant MorrisonBoth great points against it existing
>>147091386If it was a movie only for kids why are you a supposed adult shilling it? You don't see other people going around making Paw Patrol or Fireman Sam their entire personality
>>147081426Don't fans deserve a movie that isn't about attacking 'wrong' fans? They are paying money for it, and there's surely more of them than these 'wrong' fans, so they deserve fun entertainment, a good narrative, and not needing extra years to salvage a script.
>>147080071The spiderverse movies are overrated as fuck. They are often talked about as “masterpieces” in both art and storytelling. I often find the art to rarely be good and often just trying to be experimental if anything. These Spider-Man has good landscapes and environmental visuals and that’s basically all. The story is so fucking bad. It’s hard to take serious yet it expects the viewer to take it seriously. Am I supposed to care for a bunch of cartoon characters that are just ripping off Peter Parker? (Nearly all characters are either a humor gag, fucking shitty anime character, or a DEI Spider-Man)What gets me is in the spiderverse is the canon events shit and expecting a Spider-Man fan to take that serious as well. Glad the third movie got delayed. Fuck spiderverse.
>>147086237Nah, Noir or 2099 is way more interesting. Even the Cat and UK Spoidahman is more fun.
>Miles totes deserves to be called Spider-Man! Anyone can be Spider-Man! Look at all those other characters!>You mean all those characters NOT named Spider-Man?>S-SHUT UP CHUD THAT DOESN'T COUNT I DESERVE--I MEAN MILES DESERVES TO BE SPIDERMAN!!! AND WHAT ABOUT MIGUEL HUH???>Spider-Man 2099 :)>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I want Miles, Gwen, and all of their fans to just go away forever.
>>147089195It's obvious that the third movie is going to reveal that Miguel was wrong about canon events and that he was just projecting his guilt and trauma about the universe he fled to getting destroyed or whatever. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that they character assassinated every version of Spider-Man just to make this plotline happen and prop up Miles; if anything it's dramatically worse because all of them were stupid enough to be tricked into sacrificing the core principles that make them who they are because one guy said so.
>>147097481>because one guy said soOne guy who isn't even Peter Parker. You'd think that name would carry a modicum of weight in the fucking SPIDERVERSE.
>>147095960Yeah it's kinda weird how much they're pushing that.Gwen isn't called Spider-ManTons of the Spider-Men there aren't called Spider-ManJust give him an original name why is it so controversial that he MUST replace Peter?
>>147097683It's like a game of internet discourse telephone where>Miles should have a different hero name to differentiate himself from Peterbecame>Miles shouldn't be called Spider-Manwhich somehow got interpreted as>Miles doesn't deserve to be Spider-Manand people have been arguing in circles around each other ever since
The obvious problem with the story is that Miles is 110% in the wrong but we're supposed to side with him because Miguel is kinda mean about it.
>>147097683>>147097849Reminder that Spider-Gwen (Spider-Woman) had no issue immediately changing her name to Ghost Spider when she went to 616 which already had a Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew).Yet suggesting that Miles do the same is tantamount to advocating for racial cleansing somehow.
>>147092069>They want to go around saying animation is an artform and deserves respect for mature themes and shitOnly twittertards say this
>>147097858It's the opposite, Miles is the only one there acting like Spider-Man. He would never sit back and let someone die because "Ah well it's just how things are supposed to be." That's antithetical to the fundamentals of his entire character.
>>147098112Black twitter is 99% non-blacks pretending to be black.
>>147098112Ah yes. Miles totally earned his powers and title unlike Mayday.
>>147098112Can you not show me retard opinions of the mentally ill?
>>147098327Sorry, but you guys have to suffer with me.
>>147098112At least mayday for her powers in different way, had her own villains, and wasn’t shoved into literally every single new spider-man project (it’s the opposite problem, there’s not enough of her)
>>147098112>the supporters of the usurper are threatened by the true heirPoetry.
>>147098112>that post complaining about Mayday having had a hundred issues and supposedly no character to show for it>when Spider-Girl is STILL, after 25 years, the only female-led Marvel title to actually reach #100 at alllmao
>>147098679> that post complaining about Mayday having had a hundred issues and supposedly no character to show for itNever made sense to me. Mayday isn’t super deep or anything, but it’s clear she has spunky/tomboyish attitude mixed with some anger issues she got from her dad.
>>147098172Why do they do that?
>>147098715Suburban kids think that black people are authentic or something.
>>147098112I guess I’m racist guys
>>147080071I think the animation is overrated as fuck, when the first movie came out it was interesting because it was new but as soon as the novelty ware off for me i started to get annoyed by the constant comic style shots, it got more annoying when other movies copied the style.The moment i started hating this animation style was when death almost killed puss in boots in their first encounter and when he cut him the shot was very comic like, that ruined the tension of the scene for me and started noticing how every important scene would be ruined by shots like that.In the spiderverse movie i hated how the colors and textures would drastically change every 3 seconds when gwen was talking to her father.Also hated how when there was a close up it would be noticeable how the characters are stylized to look like comic book characters making a blend of 2d and 3d which has never worked well.I know im probably the only one with this opinion but the animation style in this movie is terrible, the flaws got worse in the second movie because people got carried away by it for being a new style and they exaggerated the stylistic choices making it even worse than the first movie.And don't even get me started in the clusterfuck of things they wrote, there's way too much stuff to fix for the 3rd movie and they have no idea how to fix it.I am very glad the movie production is an absolute mess and it will take much longer to come out, i hope it never comes out but if it does i hope the hype dies so the movie flops and they never make another miles movie.
>>147080138Yeah, they massacred spiderman/peter amd every other form of spiderman just to make the nigger look good.
>>147081426It's a love letter to dei.
Omg JUST SHUT THE FUCK ALREADY AND LET THIS SHIT THREAD DIE.ANYONE WHO POSTS BELOW ME IS A GIGA FAGGOT AND A PEDOPHILIC TRANNY.
>>147086237If this was the plot the only problem the movie would have is the interracial fetish.
Hey /co/, Bendis here.
>>147086587>I hope we all accept Death of the Author by now.Even if you support Death of the Author it doesn't mean that any and every interpretation of a work is correct, just that the creator isn't the sole authority.
>>147086237>If the next movie comes out in 2027 it will flop against sonic like mufasa did.Feels good.
>>147098112These guys need to be beaten up.
The villain should've been Morlun
>>147086237There's nothing interesting about her.
>>147099037>>147099052I knew it!
>>147099815I would've liked that, but I have another fix for this movie. Replace Miguel with Superior Spider-Man.It would make for an objectively better movie, and Otto fits Miguel's role so much better. Superior is a hyper-competent leader who can play the control freak in relation to the "order" of the life of a Spider-Man. Canon events would matter a LOT more to him, after witnessing Peter's entire life and vowing to be better than him. Hell, Miguel has zero reason to make a Spider-Society, but Otto has actually taken charge of teams during the Spider-Verse events. Also, Miguel makes no sense as a villain. Either he's retarded in regards to how canon works, or he's evil for no reason. Otto would make a lot more sense as someone that wants to keep all Spider-people in line, so they can ALL be superior with him. It makes a lot more sense for him to lie about canon events. Also, take Hobie out of the movie. He's annoying and he sucks.
>>147099792Well, those fags ARE out in the open.
>>147098112Cindy Moon is a fetish character that could have been interesting had she not been introduced with the character trait of "eternally horny for Peter Parker"
>>147100043>Replace Miguel with Superior Spider-Man.That and just don't have Peter in the movie. That way it would be at least believable to some extend that some Spideys would go with the murdering their loved ones "for the greater good" plan.
>>147080071>So we all agree that while the animation was great,No. The animation was bad. Why do people think the animation was good? It was a stuttering mess that looked like it missed frames. It jsut had a lot of flashy colors. Puss in Boots was the same way.
>>147099815Please no I hate that edgy shit
>>147097683The Spider-Man name has prestige. If Miles doesn't have that then it will become even more obvious that he's just another derivative.
>>147100687>Puss in Boots was the same way.That's why no one takes you seriously
>>147100835Go be Greco-Scottish somewhere else.>>147100687Puss in Boots was leagues better because it held off on the jittery shit unless there was a lot of action movement. Spiderverse threw the jittery shit and filters at your face constantly. It was nauseating.
>>147098968Bland Disney and illumination styles bored everyone so these look better by comparison. I was nice the first time but I don't think the different art styles are being used to tell a story beyond this character is from this universe because they look like this. It really is just pointless window dressing
>>147098112Her being called the daughter of the true Spider-Man probably ruffles their feathers something fierce. Fans of Robbie Reyes and Amadeus Cho are never this insecure.
>>147100884>Go be Greco-Scottish somewhere elseThe fuck is that kind of autistic insult lmao
>>147098292In across Miles is credited as the reason why May was born. They really can't help jerking that guy off.
>>147089836ive actually only seen hate against Friendly Neighborhood, even from normies.
>>147100987Amadeus Cho has fans?
>>147100900How on Earth would something fulfill the metric of having art styles used to tell a story if ATSV doesn't? I think it may have gone the furthest of any media in that regard
>>147100987>Robbie ReyesGhost Rider is basically Marvel's Green Lantern, nobody feels insecure about who "the real one" is cause there's like a hundred of them, and everybody likes Johnny Blaze/what they think is Johnny Blaze but is actually Danny Ketch.>Amadeus Chonobody cared much for him becoming the new Hulk, and when The Hulk came back he just became Brawn instead and got a redesign.
>>147080071The animation isn't even that good
>>147101220Ok
>>147101129Nta but the constant changes in color, lighting and textures every few seconds ruins it.Going the furthest doesn't mean doing it right, it's like they tried every trick in the book at the same time when only a few are needed, they oversaturated it.
>>147100987The funny part is that that line is specifically a dig at Ben Reilly because it came right after the Clone Saga, but Benfags (like myself) couldn't give less of a shit about it because Mayday is good
>>147100659I like the idea that Superior is lying to them about the canon events to keep the Spider-Men in line because he personally believes that suffering builds character, almost as if living through Peter Parker's life is a religious dogma they all have to go through. While there could also be a lot of rebellious Spider-Men (or anomalies like Miguel or Ben Reilly) who are being persecuted for breakjing the canon or rebelling. I hate the idea that Miguel is some kind of hypocrite for not having been bitten by a spider, some people GENUINELY believe he's an Inheritor or something because Gwen calls him a vampire as a joke. Having a whole separate group of rebel Spiders also makes them all look less like assholes for going along with the trolley problem BS. Imagine if instead of the Prowler Miles dimension, Miles went to a dimension with all the rebels. Miguel is there, and he tells Miles that Superior is hiding something and the multiverse doesn't work with canon events. Also that'd be a GREAT way to include Supaidaman and the Leopardon.Bonus points if Superior unmasks in the third movie and he's blonde like the Peter that died in Into the Spider-Verse. He'd be a phenomenal villain, because unlike Miguel in the movie, he actually has a reason to be an asshole and tell everyone else how to live. He thinks he's better than everyone else, and he clashes with Miles because Miles does his own thing. Otto is prideful and petty. It works better than the whole Miguel thing where he doesn't even know if canon events are real. If it's a lie from the start, you don't have to write yourself into a corner.
>>147083020Kamala lost. It's a thing she does.
>>147101295>some people GENUINELY believe he's an Inheritor or something because Gwen calls him a vampire as a joke.oh yeah, i remember one of the insane joke theories being that ATSV Miguel is actually Morlun in brownface secretly manipulating the Spider-men of the multiverse to make them weak and submissive, and that regular, white-looking Miguel O'hara would appear in BTSV
>>147101356trump can only win against women
>>147101375The whole "right and wrong way to be Spider-Man" narrative of this movie goes out the window when you realise that it's making Miguel out to be a bad guy because he's not in the mold of the other Spider-people. "He didn't get bitten!" "He has claws!" "Different powerset!" "He's a fake Spider-Man!" A shitton of people misread the movie's already flimsy philosophical proposition about Spider-Man meta narratives and left the theatre with the erroneous idea that the circumstances around you make you Spider-Man and nothing else. "Miguel forgot how to be Spider-Man!" Edge of Time did that better because saving Mary Jane wasn't mutually exclusive with saving the timeline. It was a calculated risk that Miguel didn't want to take at first, but he realised the error of his ways. In AtSV, if canon events work as they are said to work, it's a trolley problem. Miles saves his dad, his universe (and possibly others) dies. But if that's NOT what happens, that makes out Miguel to either be retarded, because he should've known he was wrong, or evil, because he lied to everyone. And he has NO reason to do that, dead family or no. Miguel shouldn't want to put that kind of suffering on people just to maintain a canon that might not even be real.You know who would do that, though? Superior Spider-Man. This shit writes itself. What the fuck, Sony? Was your Miles erection throbbing SO much that you had to character assassinate the ACTUAL most popular Spider-Man variant to put Miles on a pedestal? Fuck.
>>147101295That would be logical, however they were never gonna do that for one reason.Miguel is the one that the chuds like, and they desperately needed to dunk on them. The writers are deeply pathetic people.
>>147101515Yes, that's what I'm saying. They made him the bad guy because he's the one people actually like. He was in the post-credits of the first one, people were excited to see Spider-Man 2099. But in order to prop up Miles, they had to put down someone else. It's retarded.
>>147101396He just beat Biden tho
>>147101295>While there could also be a lot of rebellious Spider-Men (or anomalies like Miguel or Ben Reilly) who are being persecuted for breakjing the canon or rebelling.Well yeah but the point is to tear these characters down. It's why all the established legacies/alternatives are the bad guys and the new ones are the good guys
>>147101295>it's a "random anon on /co/ comes up with a better storyline than the multimillion dollar movie studio" thread
>>147101101>>147101179Before Johnny the only other GR was his brother at least the ones of note. And not really what I meant. I mean is that fans of other legacy characters are never so up in arms to call people racist for not liking them as much or more than the original.
>>147101290Mayday offered people a perspective into the possible future of the marvel universe filled with all kinds of changes. Miles is active in present day and is only about 10-15 years younger than Peter so you can't even really have a father son type relationship. You notice hardly anyone posts pictures of his comic.
>>147101662>You notice hardly anyone posts pictures of his comicThey will absolutely scramble to come to his defense and countersignal in his favor endlessly though. Miles' strongest soldiers won't even read a single one of his comics. It's almost sad.
>>147101592Only Mayday was spared because they already have a baby version. They even went after Spider-Woman and Spider -Girl.
>>147101594Here's a piece of shit doodle to illustrate my point. It's thematically pretty rich to see an impostor Peter trying to tell Miles what to do, when Miles himself is an impostor in the eyes of Superior Spider-Man. Having the face that started Miles on his journey being thrown back at him in a different light could make for a pretty unsettling scene.>>147101592The funny thing is, it's very easy to see what they're doing. But they suffer for it in the end because the movie turned out worse and now the third movie is in development hell because they've just now realised the awful corner they've written themselves into.
>>147101628it's cause of we see raceLatinos don't give a fuck, decades of watching dubbed american movies have made it so it's normal for them to see themselves in white charactersasians act like they care, but none of them even knew or cared about Amadeus Cho, and even after they learned about him they couldn't really use him as representation as a good part of his history is being the sidekick of a pale-skinned mediterranean.Blacks however, do care about race, they've lived their entire lives being told to care about race because they were seen as less than human by other races for a long time, so when they get a black character to represent them, they cling to him Fiercely, to the point of obsession.
>>147101931cause of how we as people see race*missed a couple words there
It's shallow and designed for children. Their heart was there but it's another Hollywood product
>>147101910The only storytelling problem with this is that the plot twist would become known immediately. People would just recognize SpOck on sight, and even if they didn't, everyone in the internet would talk about it. There wouldn't be a twist at all.
>>147102288That's something I did think about. I think all of this is a good story, but that's the only detail I wouldn't know how to fix. Anyone who's paid attention to comics for the last 10 years would know way ahead of time, yeah. I'm open to suggestions, if anyone has them.
>>147095638Lmao you clearly haven't been on /co/ very long
>>147083425>but a whole ass organization behind it is dumb. Why? It's a good progression from the first story
>>147101244>changes in color, lighting and textures every few seconds ruins it.That doesn't happen through most of the movie, it's usually pretty stable despite having plenty of detail. In Gwen's world the color does change every few seconds which I admittedly didn't like even though it is storytelling it's just too on the nose for me. Then I guess in some of the more intense sequences where tons of things are happening and there is an intended hectic feeling. I guess if you struggle with seizures you may have that problem but I don't. Besides for every hectic scene they knew when to ramp it down and firmly establish a grounded style.
>>147101910honestly if a scene like this existed it would be cool as fuck >>147102347I don't know, I guess you could just give him a different design, only subtly hit at some ock characteristics
>>147102679Sadly, I love the Superior Spider-Man suit far too much to exclude it entirely. But some kind of red herring design could work, and then when Superior reveals himself he uses the actual suit. That could work.Fuck, I just got an idea. Maybe Superior could masquerade as the Master Weaver. He gets to explain the Web of Life and Destiny and canon events lie in a super elaborate way while maintaining secrecy as an authority figure. Then, when Miles and the rebel Spiders led by Miguel call him out, it's revealed that Superior Spider-Man was under that big helmet all the time. Or maybe this is too complicated
>>147101295It's a good thing you're not the writer.>he personally believes that suffering builds character, almost as if living through Peter Parker's life is a religious dogma they all have to go through.If that was the case he wouldn't have to bring them into any sort of society he shouldn't tell them about it he should just let it happen (or if the Canon doesn't do this naturally then he should just go around instigating it) this wouldn't work in anything resembling the story.>While there could also be a lot of rebellious Spider-Men (or anomalies like Miguel or Ben Reilly) who are being persecuted for breakjing the canon or rebelling.>I hate the idea that Miguel is some kind of hypocrite for not having been bitten by a spider,Doesn't happen in the movie, he's the LEADER OF THEM ALL>Having a whole separate group of rebel Spiders also makes them all look less like assholes for going along with the trolley problem BS. No it's would just make more stupid emotional Spidermen like Miles, unless they have some piece of information that magically dispels all the moral challenge and proves Superior wrong.>Imagine if instead of the Prowler Miles dimension, Miles went to a dimension with all the rebels.So among all possible universes Miles goes to as a result of being bitten by a spider from a different universe, a chance that ranges from extremely high to infinity, you want that spider's universe to just so happen to be the same the rebellion against Miguel is operating in?Well maybe you could find a way to have him pointed there if you change large parts of the story before that. But it's just not worth it. All to pull the rug out from underneath the story they haven't told yet in the Prowler Miles dimension. Though I guess if we're telling a totally different story, we could find a way to fit all this stuff in, no matter how retarded it sounds.
Pack it up everyone, the Milestranny woke up.
>>147080137Goddamn so many women were horny over him when that movie came out.
>>147102992It was funny how he instantly overshadowed Miles.
>>147102940>If that was the case he wouldn't have to bring them into any sort of societyThat's the thing. It's NOT. Canon events aren't real in my version. Superior brought the Spider Society together and lied to them all about canon events to make them fall in line and keep one-upping Peter Parker, now with an army of Spider-Men that will follow his dogma.>Doesn't happen in the movie, he's the LEADER OF THEM ALLI was talking about how people talk about this movie in a meta sense, not Miguel's role specifically. You wouldn't believe how many people make Miguel out to be some kind of hypocrite becauee he didn't have the typical Spider-Man origin like Miles, as if it's the spider bite that makes someone Spider-Man and nothing else.>unless they have some piece of information that magically dispels all the moral challenge and proves Superior wrong.It's not even that hard. Most Spider-Men have some degree of science expertise. Clearly at least SOME of them would be able to see past the bullshit, go "that's not how the multiverse works" and they'd be subsequently hunted for that.>So among all possible universes Miles goes to as a result of being bitten by a spider from a different universe,I didn't say he'd end up there under the same exact circumstances. I haven't written a script (yet, I guess), but Miles would end up there at that part of the story. Maybe he's purposefully exiled by Superior or Miguel shows up and whisks Miles into the rebel hideout during the chase or something.Stop misunderstanding (or misrepresenting) my rough story outline.
I like the original clone saga plot. They should have made him aware that he's not the original Miles. The Multiverse Shenanigans + Clone plot would be great, even if convoluted. So this universe Miles ends up being aware of the Ultimate verse miles but in his background Miles himself is a product of scientific engineering. His family descends from the Tuskegee experiment. In a brief introduction we learn about this and how his power first appeared. He's also friends with his universe Peter, so it's optional to let them know each other's identity. I thought of this because of Truth: Red, White & Black which is surprisingly good and because of its politics is just impossible to discuss these days. With a bit of Clone Saga and Multiverse. Although I think the multiverse is shit, unfortunately it's a Hollywood requirement. Also the racial thing was just too risky for such a big budget production. Black Panther for example is pop afrocentrism never talks about anything that bothers non-blacks
>>147101295>he tells Miles that Superior is hiding something and the multiverse doesn't work with canon eventsWow that's real fucking convenient for Miles in terms of avoiding any potential internal conflict.>he's blonde like the Peter that died in Into the Spider-Verse.Lmao what the hell is even that. I mean it's not a problem just completely meaningless.>unlike Miguel in the movie, he actually has a reason to be an asshole and tell everyone else how to live.Are you stupid? Miguel lost his family, then list another version of them and an entire universe when he messed with the canon, so he creates this organization to desperately try to keep anomalies from ever happening again, then one of his agents decides to bring an anomaly to other universes a Spiderman he already rejected for being too much of a wildcard, despite the fact she was warned to stay away from him, and as a result this anomaly ends up nearly causing the end of another universe. Miguel has every reason to be an asshole, whereas your villain really doesn't since he knows nothing is really at stake and all the Spidermen who believe him will go along with whatever happens and if they don't, we'll it's just one of many. And he'd only act like an asshole if he was pretending to be the way Miguel really is in ATSV.>He thinks he's better than everyone else, and he clashes with Miles because Miles does his own thing.This is already a plot point.>Miguel thing where he doesn't even know if canon events are real.He knows they're real, he just doesn't know how far you can bend the universe before it breaks.>>147101515My friend, they wrote Miguel to be likeable by the chuds at the same time as they wrote him to be occasionally dunked on. It's not as if they got unwanted positive reception then made him lamer. Miguel is a coherent character with positive and negative traits.>>147101594Lol>>147101592The Spider Society aren't bad guys.
>>147102963It's funny how hard he's going to bat for a such a poorly thought-out, half-finished plot. You can always tell someone's lost it once they're picking through posts line by line.
>>147103130It's the same guy every time. He always replies line by line and always appears when Miles' honor is insulted.He never posts any Miles comic moments he likes though. Weird.
>Fuck you, clown. Miles sucks. The end.
>>147103106>Are you stupid? Miguel lost his family, then list another version of them and an entire universe when he messed with the canon, so he (...)The problem with all of that is that Miguel is never stated to properly comprehend how canon events work. That's just how he THINKS they work, and somehow NO ONE has bothered to run tests when they have a literal army of science geniuses, many of which are from the future and would clearly have access to advanced technology. With an INFINITE multiverse, are you telling me no one can tell whether this is how it actually works or not? I can see the emotional reasons why Miguel would do all this, but it's character assassination to have him be THIS retarded when, as a science genius, he should be able to make a more concise survey of how the canon actually works. Getting rid of such a flimsy plot device would do a lot of good to the plot.>Miguel has every reason to be an asshole, whereas your villain really doesn't since he knows nothing is really at stake Exactly. Superior is a petty motherfucker who mind swapped with Peter Parker, went "oh shit, he's him" and decided to one-up him out of spite. In this version, on a multiversal scale, too. He lies to all these people just to make them all live the way he wants them to, the way HE thinks is best. Superior only wants to uphold his own ego. >This is already a plot point.A plot point that would work better with Superior as the antagonist.>He knows they're real, he just doesn't know how far you can bend the universe before it breaks.Doesn't he literally have a line where he says "do you want to find out?" ? He has no fucking idea. No one in this movie has an idea of what comes out of the quantum trolley problem. No one actually knows whether the trolley will even kill anyone. And if it doesn't? Miguel will either go "ah, eto, bleh!" or he'll be a full-on villain. Character assassination. At least Superior is ACTUALLY a villain.
>>147103106>>The Spider Society aren't bad guys.They are the secondary antagonists/the antagonists of the second half of the film
>>147103106>The Spider Society aren't bad guys.They literally are. The movie couldn't make it any more blatant for retards like you, yet you still didn't understand baby's first theme
>>147103130>>147103167Not that I want to give this guy too much attention or anything, but if I said I was open to criticism I should at least walk the walk, I guess. I'm not the best writer ever but I believe in my ideas.
>>147103052>Canon events aren't real in my version. So you're implying that the reason all these events happen in all Spiderman stories is now retroactively caused by Miguel? Because if canon events aren't real, he needs to make them happen. how does Miguel make Toby Maguire decide not to stop the robber, and make Ben just so happen to be walking right outside at that moment? How does he make Miles' uncle just so happen to be the prowler meaning he hesitates to kill Miles thus getting shot by Kingpin? If he has that level of godlike power then creating a society seems like a waste of time.>to make them fall in line and keep one-upping Peter Parker, now with an army of Spider-Men that will follow his dogma.For what purpose. >It's not even that hard. Most Spider-Men have some degree of science expertise. Clearly at least SOME of them would be able to see past the bullshit, go "that's not how the multiverse works"Wait what? Multiversal physics aren't hard? If that's the case why would Superior ever devise such a plan? Is it only for the ones who don't know about the multiverse, and if so why bring the ones who understand why he's wrong into this in the first place?>Maybe he's purposefully exiled by Superior or Miguel shows up and whisks Miles into the rebel hideout during the chase or something.Yeah I admitted you could make that work but it involves telling a whole different story to the point it's not worth it, atleast as a rewrite. I mean I can't tell you not to be inspired by the story to tell a different one, but it becomes meaningless for me and doesn't fix any perceived problems with the movie
>>147103247It's wasted effort. He deliberately misunderstood what you typed just so he could write his autistic response. He does this every time. Save yourself the trouble.
>>147103130>It's funny how hard he's going to bat for a such a poorly thought-out, half-finished plot.My point is it's actually well thought out>You can always tell someone's lost it once they're picking through posts line by line.That's just the level of autism internet conversations always evolve to when such massive amounts of bullshit are spewed.>>147103167Nigga I've posted like 4 times in this thread and barely come on /co/ what you're probably seeing is different people having the same logical reactions to stupid criticism
>>147080071Both of them are just okay movies that get hard-carried by the visuals.
i like this because the more people argue and piss over small details like this the faster the thread will die
Miles Morales has been the Cool New Thing™ for over a decade now, closing in on 15 years. He's had a MASSIVE push from Marvel, leading in his own movie less than 5 years after his creation. And yet:>His comics don't sell more than Peter's>His movies don't sell more tickets than Peter's>His games don't sell more copies than Peter's>He doesn't move more toys and merch than PeterHe's not just as much Spider-Man as Peter. He never will be. He's had fourteen years to fill that role and he just hasn't. He's nowhere near as popular except with black comic nerds (and maybe white cuck weirdos). He's never going to be the successor, not when Peter still brings in so much more money. They can give him Peter's villains, Peter's love interests, have Peter himself hyping him up. They can give him every other superpower in the book. None of it helps the character. His movies are glazed as masterpieces, yet they grossed less at the box office than The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - and that's not even taking inflation into account. ASM has had its worst run in years, absolute dogshit hated by everyone, and it STILL outsells Miles' book.Black Spider-Man is just another derivative. He's never been anything more than that.
>>147103297>My point is it's actually well thought outHey just clarify for me, who's the police captain that Miguel knew who died again? Also what issue was it where Spider-Woman got trapped under some rubble "If This Be My Destiny"-style?They're canon events so they have to have happened, they didn't just make it up, right?
>>147103254>So you're implying that the reason all these events happen in all Spiderman stories is now retroactively caused by Miguel?I literally never said that. First of all, it was retarded to count the Sam Raimi, Marc Webb and MCU movies in this canon anyway. I wouldn't do that. I think that Superior would run with the life story he got from the Peter he swapped with and he'd cherrypick and gaslight the other Spider-Men into, for example, expecting Captain Stacy to die so they don't try harder. Of course, this is why we need a more sympathetic rebel faction, because the Spider Society is letting a lot of people die by inaction. They can't ALL be assholes. >For what purpose.Aren't villains allowed to just be evil anymore? Superior just wants to have all these people under his thumb to prove he's better than Peter Parker, by molding his memories into a weapon to turn others to his philosophy. He's just a narcissist who wants control.>why would Superior ever devise such a plan? Is it only for the ones who don't know about the multiverse, and if so why bring the ones who understand why he's wrong into this in the first place?I can see that, but that's why there's a rebel faction in this story. He wants to fool as many people as possible, but a lot of them will slip through the cracks. That's because the movie already had this problem, but worse, because ALL of them agreed and NEVER questioned anything. In this version, some agree and some don't. >it involves telling a whole different story to the point it's not worth it, atleast as a rewrite. This movie is already a lost cause. I'm at least taking plot beats from it to mold it into something entirely different. Plus, I have no idea what to do with Spot in this one, anyway, and the third movie isn't even out yet.>>147103266Yeah I can see that. Although the guy was fairly amicable with that last response at the end, there's been several asinine logic jumps.>>147103353That's such a good image.
>>147103353>money>money>money>moneywow
https://youtu.be/yl9EA-gzC-UReminder they already did the whole canon events shit in Edge of Time and showed why Miguel is dumb for thinking it >All these comments praising ATSV Grim.
>>147103353Worst thing is I think I wouldn't even mind Miles if he just stayed in his own fucking lane for once.
>>147103374That's how success is measured in the entertainment world, anon. Miles has been around for 14 years and he hasn't surpassed Peter even once in that regard. There's simply no reasonable justification to have Miles take over. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
>>147103353It's been almost 15 years and Miles has nothing manno big roster of personal villainsno big roster of loveable side cast no big arcs (he has no clone saga or symbiote or anything type of high stakes memorable arcs)He's just nothing
>>147103401I just dont care about the money part, money ruins art.
>>147103206>Miguel is never stated to properly comprehend how canon events work.He understands that deviating from the Canon events breaks the Universe they're tied to, but if you get there in time and fix it it can potentially be stopped like happens in Mubattan. He doesn't know just how far is too far, and the only way to test that, besides the times it has happened against his will such as Mumbattan (who knows if it's ever happened between then and the first time he experienced it) is to risk destroying a universe full of living people, and you can't find a universe without life to safely test it, because the Canon events are relative to the Spiderverse, aka the specific universes where Spiderman exists and therfore so do alot of people. Whatever the number of the year they're in all the universes seem to be running concurrently, and there's no evidence that time travel exists in this world (even though it does in the MCU and in the 1999 SpidermanTAS universe but we don't have to accept those as Canon nor having been contacted by Miguel.)>With an INFINITE multiverse, are you telling me no one can tell whether this is how it actually works or not?Even if someone could that doesn't mean Miguel would know them.>Superior only wants to uphold his own ego.I don't prefer to have cartoonish characters like this.>Doesn't he literally have a line where he says "do you want to find out?"Yes and that is literally in reference to what I just said. He doesn't know how far you can bend the universe before it breaks.
>>147103353The box office thing especially burns up Milesfags. They bring up shit like "b-but TASM cost more to make so Miles actually made more money!!!" like no bitch, just because the animated movie was cheaper to make doesn't mean that. The shit Peter Parker flick still put more asses in seats. And since it was when tickets were cheaper, Peter put A LOT more asses in seats.
>>147103353I might catch flack for saying this but Bailey is absolutely mogging the shit out of Miles and it's not even close.
>look up BSV plot details>"Phil Lord explained that after the preceding film's cliffhanger ending, which saw Miles trapped in an alternative universe known as Earth-42, Beyond the Spider-Verse would see the character deal with a "sense of betrayal" and explore how it becomes affirmative through the goodness and love the other characters have for him and how this "translates into his growth and success".>The next film is literally just more dick riding Miles on "how much he's grown and how great of a Spider-Man he is!"Fucks sake
>>147103363I don't fuckin know. Is that supposed to be an own? We don't have to see every Canon event play out for every Spiderman, in fact we don't have to see any.
>>147103448its almost like he is the main character
>>147103460>more dick riding Miles on "how much he's grown and how great of a Spider-Man he is!">its almost like he is the main characterHow do these things correlate?
Why isn't Miguel's home universe destroyed? We're very clearly told that marriage is a canon event, and yet Miguel's whole backstory is that he never married and never made a family.Why are canon events so seemingly arbitrary? Like the first death is just someone vaguely close to the Spider-Man, but the second one has to be a police captain? It doesn't make any sense
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>>147103460>He's the main character so it's okay to tell Miles over and over again that he deserves to be "the real Spider-Man!" and that every single other Spider-Man in the multiverse is wrong and he's the true hero and he's gonna do things his own way!!!You fucking dick riding faggot. Notice how none of the other Spider-Men need that nonsense fed to them. Their actions speak for themselves
>>147103455The meta commentary isn't thought out very well, if at all. It doesn't apply to the vast majority of the characters the writers are trying to apply it to
>>147103490So you don't have an answer?
>>147103487Physically ill>You just hate wo-Yes. And?
>>147103460Then why isn't his name in the title of the movie?
>>147103494I think you need to maybe watch something other than a spiderman movie.
>>147103448>Peter's films have him overcoming his own flaws and trying to fix his mistakes, making an effort to become a better hero, better nephew, better friend/boyfriend>Miles' films have him be a victim where his peers betray/underestimate him and his "growth" is proving how much better he is than the restwow, very compelling
>>147103353based
>>147103460Part of Spider-Man's whole thing is being shit on and distrusted, and having to overcome that for the sake of what's right
https://youtu.be/fk3Dh6yphiMThis film wants me to believe Pic related and Video are the same exact fucking person?
>>147103509So you're just rage baiting, since you didn't address any of the issues said in that post and just deflectedGod I'm so fucking sick of you fucking bots man
>>147103545All of you are falling for it lmao this thread is great because all spiderman fans are delusional self-inserting punks and love talking about nothing.
A bald jew fantasized about being black and we're still dealing with the consequences of that 14 years later.
>>147103545I love the breakdown after being told to Consume anything that isnt capeshit
>>147103574Damn. You really shat your pants and got made fun of for it!
>>147103574>he said in a capeshit movie thread that he entered of his own volition
147103589147103591keep replying
>>147103402Writers don't know what to do with him. They know they can't approach him the same way they'd approach a white character because every narrative decision will be heavily scrutinized. He can't act too angry because that's problematic, he can't be too understanding or patient because then he's an Uncle Tom, he can never be portrayed as too weak, if he faces one of Peter's villains then he needs to defeat him faster than Peter does because he certainly can't lose - what message does that send? That the black spider-man is weaker than the white one? That's not kosher. Not at all. He can only be portrayed as equal to or stronger than Peter. Never weaker. Who cares if that reflects poorly on Peter? Young black comic readers need to feel SEEN and VALIDATED, okay?
>>147103601>Shitting your pants so much you can't even respondLmao
>>147103607Bro got so mad he forgot how the reply function works, bless his little Milestarded heart.
>>147103607I love these threads, really the of the crop for insults. Next you'll call me a greek-scot or whatever the fuck you think is funny this month
>>147103424>He understands that deviating from the Canon events breaks the Universe they're tied to, but if you get there in time and fix it it can potentially be stopped like (...)Then he still knows fuck all. He just saw a canon event being safely broken and that doesn't massively challenge his views? And then he's at Miles' throat for trying to do the same thing a second time. It makes no sense. >Even if someone could that doesn't mean Miguel would know them.Still, pretty big coincidence that there's an infinite multiverse out there and the plot conveniently lets this problem go unresolved. >I don't prefer to have cartoonish characters like this.It's not necessarily cartoonish for a villain to be driven mostly by their ego. In fact, it's fairly grounded, since the way I'm writing it, Superior doesn't want to rule the multiverse or whatever, just perpetuate his philosophy. He hunts down those who break away because they could help get other people out of his cult.>He doesn't know how far you can bend the universe before it breaks.The plot still has no legs to stand on then. "You MIGHT kill your entire universe if you save your dad, even if I just saw you break a canon event and the pajeetverse was totally fine!" Schrödinger's stakes. The canon event rules must be VERY arbitrary for that to really stack up.
>>147103215>They are le bad because uuuuuuuh they want to protect the multiverse??????
>>147103621>actually, I was only pretending to be retardedBrilliant stratagem. It was so effective that everyone thinks you're retarded now.
>>147103621Did clean your underwear to cuddle up some courage to respond now, Milestranny? It seems like you're on the verge of tears.
>>147103636I literally said the more you faggots reply the faster this thread will die. and youre still doing it. amazing
>>147103215>Holy Media Literacy, the main characters disagree with the non-main characters>Holy Basic Human Empathy was Miguel just mad? That makes him no better than the things he's trying to prevent. >Holy Fascism, is that scary music?>>147103364>First of all, it was retarded to count the Sam Raimi, Marc Webb and MCU movies in this canon anyway.In your version, sure. But he still has to manipulate SOME in-story Spidermen in the same way. So how does he do it? Go up and shoot uncle Ben? Give Gwen Stacy a love potion and have her slip on a banana peel? Or are you implying he only threatens these things will happen but they never do? In which case everyone will realize pretty quickly they didn't happen, especially the Uncle Ben thing.>He's just a narcissist who wants control.Just because he can get Spidermen to accept that their loved ones will die and they have to accept it, doesn't mean he controls them completely. If he has any actually evil intentions it will increasingly difficult to pass it off as "for greater good" and if he doesn't then it's hard to really call him evil just a petty asshole. I guess there's no real anomalies either, just targets he wants taken care of?>That's because the movie already had this problem, but worseNo it's doesn't because in the movie he doesn't bring on Spidermen who would know he's clearly wrong or would go against him, only Miles does and he was brought there against Miguel's wishes, and then that inspires others to turn against Miguel out of personal feelings towards Miles. That doesn't mean they agree with Miles though.>but worse, because ALL of them agreed and NEVER questioned anything. In this version, some agree and some don't.Again all of them agreeing is the only thing that makes sense by default.>>147103376If that situation is in any way similar to ATSV then that Spiderman is retarded and Miguel is retarded for allowing him.Of course there's comments praising the 2nd best Spiderman movie of all time.
>>147103632>UH DUUUH SPIDER-MAN KILLING HIS UNCLE IS TOTALLY BASED AND NOT RETARDED AKTUALY!Lol
>>147103416Funny you should mention that, since Bendis created Miles partly because he wanted to get royalties for a character he created. He wasn't getting any writing Peter.
>>147103655>Holy Media Literacy,>I SAID THE WORD, DADDY!Anything else of substance, Milestroon? The movie makes it quite clear they're the bad guys and you just don't want to accept it because you're a troon
>>147103353Fun fact, Miles (at least, Spider-Verse animated Miles) is actually most popular with White and Hispanic men, followed by Asian and Black men, according to ticket sales of the second Spider-Verse movie. Ever wonder why Latin American Twitter took to Peni x Miles? That's why.
>>147103630>The canon event rules must be VERY arbitrary for that to really stack upWell they are. That's why it's such a bad plot device
>>147103655>the main characters disagree with the non-main charactersThat makes the non-main characters the antagonists.
>>147103655I'm trans btw, that's why I relate to ATSV so much.
>>147103498What do you think the metacommentary is?I know the actual answer and it does apply to every version of Spiderman I know.
>>147103655Hello Mr Milefag. I'd like you to explain to the thread why Canon Events are a good and well thought out plot point. Please keep this in mind >>147103487 when preparing your statements, thank you.
>>147103536Yes. Where's the contradiction?
>>147103730The meta-commentary is that Miles is shunned by "traditionalist" fans because he doesn't fit the mold of what Spider-Man should be, and this mold is represented via canon events. This does not work with the characters they have chosen to represent their strawman, as literally none of them follow those events, or are "traditional" at all.But please, tell us all what the real meta-commentary is and how it applies to every version of the character you know, giving examples for each character as well please.
>Miles, my best friend, brother and lover. I want you to kill my daughter and your future wife for the sake of the omniverse. Miguel told me it's cool
This thread was civil till pic related came in
>>147103353Miles (generally speaking, both SV Miles and Comics Miles) sucks because he's just the overall idea of Modern Peter that's been created within the public consciousness of what they think Spider-Man is and expect to see thanks to a influential combination of the Raimi movies, Spider-Man cartoons, as well as various cartoons inspired by Spider-Man comics (the animated teen superhero genre), except worse because he has nothing that makes this "Modern Peter" popular with audiences to begin with, namely wish-fulfillment >awkward loser nerd gets POWER and GIRLS and BAD GUYS TO PUNCH and everyone pays attention to him and a tragic backstory that directly informs his motivationsMeanwhile, Miles lacks oomph and dramatic tension>muh Aaron>except Aaron would have got himself killed with or without Miles, Miles' presence and Aaron's death means jack shit>whether his dad is alive or not, there's not much of interesting interpersonal conflict between Miles and his home life>is comfortably permanently middle class, ergo no tension of Peter's working class background>goes to SMART SCHOOL >Miles' school life lacks the same conflict as Peter's, whether Classic or Modern (prickly nerdly loner vs popular kids, or awkward Woody Allen vs Chad Thundercock)and so on
>>147103784Don't forget how other Superheroes treat him >Everyone love/hates Peter because while he's the most annoying motherfucker alive to work with, he's a great man that you can trust your life with because of his upstanding morals vs>Everyone.... acknowledges Miles exists.>No camaraderie with any of them like Peter and Human Torch/Daredevil/Iron Man besides MAYBE Kamala which...Peter already has a buddy thing with The only time I can think of other heroes caring about Miles was in Civil War 2 when they thought he was gonna kill someone in a vision kek
>>147103784That's not even mentioning how when Miles is paired with Peter, there's no authentic narrative juxtaposition to go with it BECAUSE Miles is either sanded down at worst, or at best gets pulled out of whatever distinguishing background plot he would have if not for Multiverse crap (see, ATSV)What you're left with is Peter and Peter But Not As Interesting, and this wouldn't ordinarily be as bad if it weren't for other characters like Miguel being torn down to make Miles look good, or a general lack of tension/stakes that come with Miles being inserted into the picture, never mind the constant not-earnest dick-sucking of Miles from Peter that comes out of nowhere because it still isn't EARNEDAnd I'm not saying this as someone who likes either Ben or Mayday. I don't like them and I don't like Miles either.
>>147103752If anything this plot would work more with MCU Spidey since that guy ignores all kinds of "canon" events in narrative and world building. It makes no sense to build up Miles as an anomaly when he LITERALLY has the same canon events as Peter Parker as well and even has the hots for a woman he dated.
>>147103630>Then he still knows fuck all.Nope>He just saw a canon event being safely broken and that doesn't massively challenge his views? And then he's at Miles' throat for trying to do the same thing a second time. It makes no sense.No, because it can happen a certain way in one instance in one universe, yet still be different aka worse in another. What if they've already seen 10 universes destroyed since their organization started based on 1 Canon event breaking? Then the odds would be heavily stacked against any universe in which one is broken, but as far as we know it's only 1 example vs 1, and a 1 in 2 chance is still unacceptable to risk a universe against. Do you only read the first sentence of every paragraph I write?>Still, pretty big coincidence that there's an infinite multiverse out there and the plot conveniently lets this problem go unresolved.Not really unless you know what the ratio should be of people who know for sure how the multiverse works vs those who don't. >It's not necessarily cartoonish for a villain to be driven mostly by their ego. In fact, it's fairly grounded, since the way I'm writing it, Superior doesn't want to rule the multiverse or whatever, just perpetuate his philosophy. He hunts down those who break away because they could help get other people out of his cult.Hmm yknow I guess this could work. I feel like he should believe his own lie atleast a little bit.>"You MIGHT kill your entire universe if you save your dad, even if I just saw you break a canon event and the pajeetverse was totally fine!" Schrödinger's stakes.So you're against all stories where the stakes are up to chance? So like all Russian roulette scenes, all close fights where either one could come out on top, all stories with a psychopath who you can't tell how dangerous he is. Seems dumb.>The canon event rules must be VERY arbitrary for that to really stack up.No way, a fundamental law of the universe is arbitrary? Say it ain't so
>>147103435Bailey is based.
>>147103831The only way Miles could work is if he was deliberately juxtaposed with Peter in the way Hayato was for Takeshi in terms of passing down the torch - the vulnerable expressive crybaby who wears his heart on his sleeve vs the stoic tragic brooding hero. Peter would die, serving as the impetus for Miles to take up the mantle, then Peter would return and Miles could then fuck off to do his own thing.
>>147103910No. You wanting to fuck little boys doesn't make him based, Slott.
>>147103672>The movie makes it quite clear they're the bad guysWeird, you'd think atleast 1 person would be able to argue why if that were the case
>>147103353Based and blackpilled
>>147103694Antagonists=/villains
>>147103908The sheer extant you go to make yourself look like an idiot to simp for a shitty multiverse capeshit film and the literal evil corpo behind it (Sony) is mind boggling. I don't even pity you.
>>147103923Nothing weird here. The movie says and shows it. The ONLY person who doesn't get it, is you since you're a troon in endless cope.
>>147103659>Being this retarded-they didn't knew about the multiverse when it happens -they don't have a way to change the past anywaysUnironically nigger tier iq.
>>147103781I liked that goofy little fella, way better than miles.
>>147103435Oh man I forgot Spidey has a Robin nowI'm guessing he's handled decently
>>147103353Based Miguel. I didn't even hate Miles until they started cramming him everywhere like you're forced to like him. On top of the movies slobbering all over him with how cool he is. It feels like an emperor's new clothes situation with a lot of people not wanting to say he sucks just because they'll be called a mean word.
So do you guys think Miles will get his sword in the next one?
>>147103435Bailey's comic is pretty boring these days too. And on the train of character wank, before the current arc we just had a story about "Spider-Boy Day" being a thing. That shit is retarded and feels like when they were pushing Carol
>>147103957>they didn't knew about the multiverse when it happens Learn english and explain yourself better. Every Spider-Man knows about the multiverse in the spider-society and every Spider-Man has been told what will happen to loved ones because of canon events. Peter is willing to let his ones die because someone told him to do it until the swagger of a black teen convinces him it's retarded.>they don't have a way to change the past anywaysThey can literally predict the future and still let people die. Gwen has known her father would die once she joined the cult. She has known Miles' father would die since she joined the cult. Every other Spider-Man knows their loved one will die and lets it happen because of the cult. Peter confirms he would let his uncle die because of the cult.
>>147103655>>147103908>he still has to manipulate SOME in-story Spidermen in the same way.Well, since it's similar logic to what you're using, Superior could bring in Spiders who already have one or more of these coincidences under their belts. Miles lost his uncle, so he can be brought on for gaslighting -- until he doesn't buy it. >the implication that the spider society only agrees because miguel only brought on the people that would agree with himThat's flimsy at best. What, he's doing it for the greater good, but also he'll leave people who don't follow his rules to their own devices to potentially break the canon whenever they want? Also that's just character assassination for SO many Spider-Men from other media, come on. >it can happen a certain way in one instance in one universe, yet still be different aka worse in another. That's still massively arbitrary. And yeah, the laws of physics are arbitrary, but that doesn't make for a satisfactory story, now does it?>Russian rouletteThe thing is, you can only buy that kind of scene if you think the story has the balls to kill off a major character, or even the protagonist. There's little to no tension to begin with. "True" randomness in a story is impossible because everything you write is a deliberate choice. It just doesn't work. Even Charlie getting a ticket to the Chocolate Factory isn't "truly" random, it's a massive coincidence. If we start picking where and when we want to be realistic or not when we talk about the concept of chance in storytelling we're going to go in circles.>Hmm yknow I guess this could work. I feel like he should believe his own lie atleast a little bit.Maybe he could, as a "me being the Superior Spider-Man and making everyone live according to my rules is for the better good, because the better the Spider-Man, the safer the multiverse" or something. We can have disagreements here and there, anon, but you're helping me flesh out the idea anyway.
>>147080071yes. why is gwen even next to miles in this poster when she didn't support this blackcel at all?
>>147103448Everyone is getting punished for not riding Miles >>147103460Main characters are always in the right. Does movie Miles have one flaw? The only one I can think of is how he hid how great he is.
>Nah Imma do mah own thing>Proceeds to just do the thing every decently written Peter Parker has done since the dawn of Spider-Man comicsWhat did the writers mean by this
>>147098112>>147100987Carry a damn comic book
>>147103487They're supposed to be that way but also the characters are supposed to be brain dead so Miles can look smarter. I swear spider-verse fans aren't Spider-Man fans because they'd know that. Also so many fans think canon events are different for everyone but the movie says they're the same for everybody. There are the level of intelligence of people who like these movies.
>>147103857They want Miles to stand on his own but when paired with Peter it either intentionally or unintentionally falls into a Batman and Robin situation.
>>147104053Oh my god you are a retard who didn't even watch the movie he is talking about. I'm saying that Peter would let his uncle die and Miles directly asks him if he'd do this. Milestroons can't even be bothered to watch the film they shill lmao
>>147103487I don't remember. Is it confirmed it still exists? This may not be the same 2099 he's from.>Why are canon events so seemingly arbitrary?Idk, why is the speed of light arbitrary? Why is the pressure at which a black hole is formed arbitrary?>Like the first death is just someone vaguely close to the Spider-Man, but the second one has to be a police captain? It doesn't make any senseIsn't the first death always an uncle? Anyways if there's ever any deviations which are Canon to the film they're probably represented by the strings that circle the Canon events from the outside. This could be the deciding factor between a universe which can be saved if a Canon event is broken or not. But that's speculation.
My biggest question is why did they even TELL him!???Miguel just had to say "Sorry Miles we don't have any open spots right now" or "Tell you what, give us a few days and we'll come help you get The Spot, we have other stuff to wrap up first" and then just send him home????there was no need to tell him about the stupid Canon shit till after it happened.
>>147104053You're trooning out again!
>>147104035What makes her work so well is that not only Peter retired but her connection to him.
>>147103937The only way I might look like an idiot is as far as I genuinely am attempting to reason with 80-95 iq individuals. If that's a lost cause, then I haven't figured it out yet, and we're both retards in the mud.
>>147103941Man, is it really that obvious? You must have an argument then
>>147083020Pregnant women shouldn't be riding webshooting motorcycles or getting into all out brawls with superpowered criminals, especially not a fucking Spider-Man clone, who has a history of losing children in the womb
>>147104083The movie is poorly written. Also Miles doesn't feel bad at all for being the reason his Spider-Man is dead
There's way to much crap to solve that it can't possibly fit in one movie.Miles trapped in his evil version universe is enough to make an entire movie, any less and it will be a meaningless waste of time.Miles then has to go back to his own universe to stop the spot before he kills everyone, has to save his dad and has to find a way to stop the potentially cataclysmic event that will tear the multiverse.Has to find a way to stop Miguel from being racist (impossible to make a Latino not racist).Has to fix his broken relationship with gwen and find a way to date without her fucking dying like all gwens.Not only all of this can't be fixed in a single movie, they can't possibly give everything to miles and make it believable and the fact the production is still years away from done proves it.
>>147103957Yes it unironically seems these people are on the same level of thinking as Miles except unlike Miles they're not clouded by emotion they just literally can't comprehend why let people die? Saving people good, not saving people bad.
>>147104003Lmao you can't make these arguments up
>>147104073I been literally shitting on miles the entire time shitskin, i would ask you to learn to read but i know that's impossible for your kind.
>>147104083Because the writers are hacks.
>>147104153>Miles trapped in his evil version universe is enough to make an entire movie, any less and it will be a meaningless waste of timeit's absolutely gonna be a waste of timei'm almost certain it's gonna be solved in the first 10 to 20 minutes of the movie, with Kilometers Inmorales forgiving him for accidentally taking his destiny and becoming his best friend.
>>147104153Quote me on this, but the gwen relationship is already fixed because Gwen realized that canon events are bull because her dad changed his job.yeah, its completely retarded.
>>147104191Isn't it already know that he's actually a good guy fighting the sinister six? Even the evil version of Miles is a good. That's just how perfect he is.
>>147104077>Isn't the first death always an uncleNo because they specifically show that Gwen's "Uncle Ben moment" is actually her version of Peter, and that guy was definitely not her uncle
>>147104228it'd be at least cool if he was actually his Spidey's sidekick and just look strangely evil due to his constant bisexual lighting.
personally all I want is for the garbage milesxgwen ship to not happenI dont care if the third movie gets made or not I just want to deny bendis his fap material
>>147104224Her and the entire spider society will apologize for not instantly believing him.
>>147104253Pretty sure he was supposed to be that universe's Spider-Man.
>>147104123That's a plus but I thin it goes beyond that. Mayday's book FEELS genuine and classic. Like they just got that same teen hero formula that made Peter's book work so well in the first place too. She has to conflict with her sense of morality and her personal life and while she does pick the high rode it's not always without sacrifice but because her family is there for her it's also more hopeful.
How do the canon events apply to the clones? Do they get to coast off the tragedies of their genetic templates or do they need to run through the whole thing again as well? And then does the world they share with their original selves have to double up on all future canon events, or is it a one or the other kind of deal?
>>147104007>Superior could bring in Spiders who already have one or more of these coincidences under their belts.Ok, I guess so.>he'll leave people who don't follow his rules to their own devices to potentially break the canon whenever they want?Miguel is capable of vetting Spidermen before interacting with them. He does as much to Miles and rejects him. And even if he meets other spidermen, he can vet them in person without telling them about their Canon events, even if he tells them he doesn't have to specify what the future ones are.>Also that's just character assassination for SO many Spider-Men from other mediaNot it's not. Except maybe Edge of Time Spiderman because he is actually straight up retarded like that. I don't remember seeing an EOT-looking Spiderman in there though.>And yeah, the laws of physics are arbitrary, but that doesn't make for a satisfactory story, now does it?Yes it does. Almost every live action movie follows our laws of physics to a T. People find the Death star arbitrarily taking just enough time to charge up for Luke to complete his run and blow it up satisfying. People find it satisfying whenever Goku meets a new character who is just powerful enough to hand his ass to him, before Goku can power up and then win. So what's the problem with Universes having a significant chance of being either savage or unsavable depending on the situation of the Canon event?https://youtu.be/Fbn0LlMSvy0?si=ifJzWhhHIq8Fx3jz&t=169"If we're lucky, we can stop it. We haven't always been lucky."
>>147104318oh damn, no Peter then?disappointing, Miles isn't interesting without Peter before him.
>>147104123>>147104328It also helps that May is a bit of a fuck up too, and has to actually earn Peter's trust (and starts off doing it behind his back).
>>147081426>considering Miles not to be a "real spiderman" even though they forgave the other variations of itWhat other variations?Miles isn't like Miguel, Miguel is in the future.Miles isn't like Spider-girl, Spider-girl is in the future.Miles isn't like Spider-woman, she has no association to Peter.Miles isn't a What If? Spider-man who made his own way.Miles isn't like Ben or Kaine, they're literal clones of Peter but eventually made their own name (Kaine should have left Scarlet Spider to Ben even though Kaine has the better costume. Chasm is stupid.).What Spider-man variant is Miles like?
>>147104340>Not it's not. Except maybe Edge of Time Spiderman because he is actually straight up retarded like that. I don't remember seeing an EOT-looking Spiderman in there though.I mean, would Spectacular accept the canon events? Seems pretty unlikely. I could buy Insomniac, maybe. Then again I wouldn't blame them THAT much, it's literally a trolley problem. Acting like every Spider-Man can ALWAYS save everyone is unrealistic, he's not a miracle worker.>Almost every live action movie follows our laws of physics to a T.You misunderstood my point. Of course the laws of physics are essential to any story, I'm saying writing the internal logic in a story to be arbitrary is unsatisfactory. That's all.
>>147104328I remember reading some of Spider-Girl when I was a kid and liking it
>>147104083Firstly, why they didn't not tell him: they had him trapped and were planning to keep him there until the Spot was captured and his Dad was dead, but they didn't know about his brand new power he just learned.Why they did tell him: because he has alot of friends in the Spider society, who wanted to explain to him why what he did led to Pavitr's dimension being threatened. Idk that Miguel would've necessarily taken pity on him to explain but Miguel still wants to appease the Spider people who are his friends.
>>147104428It's one of those comic series that gets, ya know, recommended to people.Because it's good.How many comic series does /co/ actually recommend, really?It's not everything under the sun.
>>147104244No way that's gotta be her Gwen moment, wasn't she already Spiderwoman for years before that?
>>147104349I don't think think so but given the time frame it makes sense for the Miles to have been Spider-Man. >>147104361She's also not a genius which is a trait that Miles only sometimes has. They also make sure to humble her by having DD get the drop on her. >>147104407Spectacular's Gwen was never supposed to die anyways so him being there already breaks the canon.
>>147104335Spiderman could be a timelessly reocurring archetype throughout the Spiderverse.
>>147104460No, the Gwen Moment happens in collegeLizard Peter was a highschool shooter
>>147104460Sorry buddy
>>147104482God I miss Darkdevil
>>147104508i feel nothing for Aaron cause he was gonna get himself killed no matter what, he was not a preventable casualty like Uncle Ben.also his beats are ASS.
>>147104528The mural of him is weird because he died from gang related activities and was about to end a kid's life before he knew it was his nephew. I'm not saying they have to hate him but the crown and "rest in power" seems a bit much.
>>147104616>The mural of him is weird>Aaron helps murder the original Spider-Man>was perfectly willing to murder the new, much younger Spider-Kid, only stopped because it was his nephew>REST IN POWER UNCLE AARON
>>147104616Blacks tend to glorify criminals.Since he is their family ofcourse they'd give a tribute that's fine but the entire mural it's typical.
>>147081426>Hobbie takes off his mask>Miles HAS to tell him he's cooler without itThe entire second movie is just the writers talking to the audience rather than having the movie and characters speak through their actions.Even SpiderByte just suddenly deciding to "zing" with Miles like it's Hotel Transylvania is basically the writers saying "like this character... just because I say so"
>>147081523I wish the second wasn't so meta.
>>147104328Original 100 issues run is pretty niceamazing was okspectacular was probably the most fun I've had with a cape comic in a while. I don't want to act like Mayday to the absolute best in terms of superhero comics, but she's pretty good
>>147104328That and the world feels unexplored just like early Spider-Man. Before there was a stratus quo.
>>147104528Weird ass standard. You also feel nothing for people in disaster movies because their deaths are unpreventable?>>147104616Jeff saw Spiderman lamenting over his body when he was dressed in a crazy suit. Naturally they assumed he was a superhero, and Miles sure wasn't going to contradict it.
>>147105068>Miles expresses an aesthetic opinion.I don't agree but niggas have wack ass aesthetics taste. You're really beefing with the writers over this?>A girl likes MilesThe writers had the characters express something through their actions which naturally made me like the character. This is a feature of storytelling not an exploit.
>>147099815>Imagine wanting Morlun over The Spot
>>147103561>>147103601Cry me a river you fag. Shut up!
>>147105068>>Hobbie takes off his mask>>Miles HAS to tell him he's cooler without itand he's not, hobbie has quite possibly the worst hairstyle ive ever seen.>Weird ass standard. You also feel nothing for people in disaster movies because their deaths are unpreventable?completely different thing and you know it.
How does hobbie mask don't deform with the stupid nigga hair.
>>147104361It's nice to see a teen hero who's not immediately accepted as New Queen of the Universe. >>147104482Small stuff like her having to learn to make web fluid made for some nice bonding moments. As I understand it the whole series takes a lot of influence from one of DeFalco's friends, a cop, who's kid wanted to follow in his footsteps. It's a mix of pride but also worry that they're entering a potentially dangerous life.
>>147105692I didn't know that. The series feels very 90s even down to how May looks. Her boobs look weird here and they had her in positions marvel wouldn't allow now because of her age.
>>147105692/co/ loves Spider-girl but ive always disliked how the Spider-man suit looks on women, i just can't get into it because of that.
>>147080071Animation was lazy, passing off choppy low fps as comic booky, and it's infected other CGI cartoons like Rogen's TMNT
>>147097967See, this is why half of the Spider-Verse 2 complaints I can't take seriously. It's a story about rising against the expectations being forced upon you, especially when you believe there can be a better way. Miles is taking a risk, but it's with heroic intent.
>>147106069You can have a good theme and NOT have shit writing to force it out anon
>>147106069But every single Spider-man would take that same risk if they weren't written extremely out of character, so what does that mean for Miles?
>>147080071The art and designs are good. The animation, voice acting, story, and characters are terrible.
>>147103755But why would Miles do anything for the sake of the worst Ben 10 show??What an asshole
>>147106069So you're a Nigger who can't read between the lines and see the double standards reflecting on characters who occupy the same heroic "canon" mantra
>>147106069Anyone complaining that Miles is in the wrong is retarded. The real complaint is that they set up a movie where Miles is the only one acting the way Spider-Man should be
>>147103755>and your future wife
>>147106069The story is also about making every character other than the hero acting hilariously out of character and stupid just to justify a point that every other super hero has made a thousand times over. This is the same shit as the first movie. It's not about exploring themes and ideas. It's about getting other characters to tell Miles he's justified.
>>147106408Like anon once said, milesfags are black creeps or weirdo whites (pedophiles, cuckolds, MAGA Blacks lovin' types like trump).
>>147091386>why are the characters eating literal shit>who cares its fiction/kids movie/TV its not real>great but that doesnt explain why they are eating literal shitSuckstart a shotgun
>>147105386>Miles states aesthetic opinionMy issue is not that Miles has opinions. Please do not misunderstand what I am saying.>I don't agree but niggas have wack ass aesthetics taste. You're really beefing with the writers over this?Again, not the opinion is not the issue. Maybe I am nitpicking, but I think Hobbie barely does anything to earn Mile's attention other than the writers wanted the two to have a kinship. Sure he helps him with the electric hands, but Hobbie doesn't get enough development. Across the Spiderverse adds way too many characters and doesn't know what to do with them. Even Gwen has a larger focus than Miles. Peter is tossed to the side as a goofball, Penni shows up for one scene, Pig & Noire show up out of nowhere for the end, Indian has way too long of an introduction and still nothing is shown about him other than him being used for explaining canon events, Spiderwoman is barely there, etc.It is the problem I had with the first film not utilizing Tombstone, Goblin, and Scorpion well. It shouldve been just Ock and Kingpin.Hobbie is just given way more importance than the other new characters, yet he is on their level. The writers are just trying to push him to the forefront and using Miles to say "you're cooler under your mask" is a lame way to show how he likes Hobbie.>The writers had the characters express something through their actions which naturally made me like the character. This is a feature of storytelling not an exploitYou misunderstand. The issue is not the spider sense, it's that she switches sides "just because". I suppose it's because of love but the "zing" was when they first met and they barely interact all the way up until she decides to let Miles escape by not pushing button to stop the machine. She was working for Miguel until Miles snuck into the device that transports you to different dimensions.
>147106069Please stop replying to this bot
>>147095960>>147097683Practically the only characters who go or have gone by Spider-Man that aren't Peter are either literal clones of him (THAT STILL ENDED UP TAKING UP THEIR OWN NAMES) or were so far into the future that Peter is long dead like Miguel and even then Miguel told Peter he would be perfectly fine with using a different name while he was in the past and he got the name from Thor cultists calling him Spider-Man.
>>147100144>Create yellow fever bait character that constantly fucks white protagonist who is the same age>over a decade later put her into a video game where said white protagonist is an adult man and make her a schoolgirlUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>147100043Yeah but see that destroys their weird strawman.>Half-hispanic guy using the Spider-Man mantle wearing a black and red costume who has his own set of powers distinct from the original Spider-Man>Except Miguel's distinct powers are actually related to spiders unlike Miles electricity bullshit and Miguel has his own separate setting where he stands on his own two feet That's why they have Miles repeat constantly "I am the one and only Spider-Man', why they have the characters refer to Miguel as a 'vampire' and why Miles calls him a 'fake Spider-Man'. The writers have a blatant issue with Miguel's existence and want to tear it down in favor of Miles.Using Superior Spider-Man would be actually smart, sensible and coherent. But it doesn't give them the opportunity to attack "Miles but actually good". https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2CtuuvLhRX0?feature=share
>>147104134Sure. You are the troon who struggles with the message there. Gwen literally talks to the camera spelling out that the Spider-Men are bad and your immediate reaction is: "No, it's everyone else pointing out this who is wrong". Absolutely hilarious
>>147106069>I can't take seriouslyDon't worry. No one takes you seriously either.
>>147107737That's something I've been talking about before, they just wanted to shit on Miguel for actually being a popular and well-liked successor character. Still, that hasn't stopped me from coming up with something that I consider to be better, still.
>>147102288>>147102347>>147102679Just give him literally Peter's costume. Miles thinks it's Peter B initially but it becomes quickly evident he isn't. Then it's sold to the audience that he's just another version of Peter who then starts to show cracks in his personality, ethics, etc.At the end of the movie have the imposter Peter upgrade to the Superior costume with all of its enhancements (spider-legs, claws, etc) and reveal he isn't actually a Peter Parker despite having Peter Parker's body. That way you could even fool some of the people who know who Superior Spider-Man is up until the reveal.
>>147107789Fairly simple fix, yeah. I was also running with an idea where he was going to masquerade as the Master Weaver or something but it's probably better to keep it simple.
>>147107797The lack of Master Weaver in a Spider-Verse movie is pretty weird. They could have just used him.
>>147107808I thought so too, that's why I tried to come up with a way to insert him, but it's pretty clear that the movies use nothing from the comics other than the concept of alternate Spider-Men coming together and the name. There's no Spider Totems, there's no Inheritors, there's none of that. The Inheritors would probably make the movie far too bloated, and sadly they decided to go with a retarded meta narrative angle after a good first movie. Oh well, them's the brakes.
>>147107714what is that image from?
>>147104028nuMiles has one storyline and it's proving himself as Spider-Man. I feel bad for anyone who liked Ultimate Miles, because he had more going on.
>>147080071Just like Inside Out 2, it just felt like a worse version of the first, so I didn't understand the increased hype.
>>147108011Fake Red. A manga about a normal guy finding Spider-Man's costume and wearing it, just to realise it's the real thing and the real Spider-Man has gone missing. So this normal guy ends up being targeted by supervillains and pushing himself to try and save people with zero powers while trying to find and help the real Spider-Man.
>>147108039>proving himself as Spider-ManIt's not even that. He is already perfect as Spider-Man according to the movie and everyone else is wrong, that's why Miguel become a strawman for toxic Spider-Man fans.
I found the animation to be very mediocre
>>147081426The meta commentary ends at Miles being treated as the odd man out and not being accepted.Nothing about that requires them to write it so he's the only Spider-Man in the multiverse who isn't a staunch fatalist. None of that requires them to write Miguel as some sort of fascist strawman.
>>147106069Every Spider-Man does that dumbass, we just had NWH where Peter risked the multiverse for the lives of villains he just met, here Miles is only throwing a tantrum because his literal dad is on the line which makes him look selfish and makes everyone else look like murderers
>>147103460So if they made Spider-Boy the main character for the third one, it'd be good writing to make Miles into a psychopath remorseless puppy killer? Since he'd no longer be the main character
>>147108312What even is his plan? If Miles' universe gets destroyed, doesn't that mean his dad would get deleted as well? And even if he didn't, what about Miles' mom? Is he okay with her getting deleted?
>>147108339H-he'll uh...um...he'll pray for the best?
>>147103460Is it common in whatever media you consume for the hero to literally be the only character with a moral leg to stand on?
>>147080071Yes
>>147080071>Ugly protags>Derivative characters>ulgy animation>multiverse shitdogshit cartoon
>>147106470Trvth Nvke
>>147109960This nigga sweet as a sugar plum
>>147109960>puke.jpg
>>147109960The most offensive part of this to me is giving Mayday the super-speshul Tumblr OC trademark of heterochromia
>>147103435Only the pedos here care about Bailey. Stop pretending he's some breakout character.
>>147110828The nigger fears the ginger.
>>147109960Why can she be trained by her father but has to be mentored by Miles? Does Peter just want Miles to fuck some cunnie?
>>147111020Because that image was made by a fetishist.
I hope the next film speedruns the spider society bits so we can get back to the good parts because i really liked it apart from that
>>147111070>I hope the next film speedruns the spider society bits so we can get back to the good partsYeah, the credits.
Replace every instance of anomaly with a racial slur and you realize the entire movie is arguing with and strawmanning a bunch of comic fans.
>>147110782Good catch. Didn't see that part.
>>147109960They just strapped a beard on miles and called him an old man.
It's weird how everyone focuses on the black aspect of Miles and not the Spanish
>>147109960You think the artists even knows about May's actual mentors besides her dad?
>>147106069All Spider-Men should be like that. If they have to tear everyone down to prop up Miles it's a bad story. The first one didn't do this and that's why it worked.
>>147111453What's hispanic about him? Everyone insists that he should be written and played by black people so that tells what side is considered more important. I don't know what Bendis was thinking trying two double dip on the minority game.
>>147111453>and not the SpanishHe literally has none, he hardly speaks spanish at all.
>>147111487>The first one didn't do thisEeeeeeeeeeeeh
>>147111078>statlerandwaldorflaughing.jpg
>>147103353Miguel is... based?
>>147101240Oh he mad
>>147111463No. Even of they do, they don't care.
>>147103353
I noticed not a single person can explain why Miles is "bad" without bringing up his raceBendis was right
>>147113046Hey Bendis.You'll never be black btw
>>147113046That's because he's defined by his race. The whole impetus for his creation as a piece of IP was that he's black Spider-Man.
>>147113046>>147113121Imagine if the replacement for Ultimate Spider-Man was some whitebread kid named Miles Miller instead. He wouldn't even last a year, let alone 15 years and two movies.
>>147084936That's why is a fetish, it dosent make sense.
>>147110782There was that one concept art for ATSV that had May with heterochromia and those fags just ran with it
>>147085070^this
>>147111463If they'd actually read May's books they wouldn't have given her red hair, heterochromia, or that god awful costume
>>147113157>Miles MillerHey, don't disrespect my man Mike Morris like that.
>>147109960This really is my eternal fear with them doing anything with Mayday again. Miles would basically usurp both Ben and Phil's place and the whole concept would suffer as a result
>>147111453I still think it's really funny that for at least five years Miles spoke normal English then when people realised he's supposed to be half Puerto Rican they suddenly had him start speaking spanglish
>>147113271>spanglishDo any NYC zoomers even speak Spanglish? With the borough accents dying, I can't imagine that a whole-ass hybrid language is popular among kids. >Random pic of NYC I had
>>147113312Are they rebuilding the twin towers? About damn time.
>>147113325Nah, that's just Billionaires' Row. A bunch of ultra-luxury apartment buildings south of Central Park.
>>147113312I can tell you they don'tNo one here speaks Spanglish because it's retardedIt's some dumb meme they keep spouting online but irl nobody cares
>>147113046Shut up queer.
>>147113046What's good about him exactly? He's just Peter sloppy seconds, nothing about him is his own thing, his name, his powers, his costume, his villains, storylines and even his love intrest. >>147113157I've read most of this thread and I still haven't seen anything about how Miles is a worthwhile character.
>>147113552He's strongCourageous Cool powersCool And he's better than Peter imo
>>147113157>>147113552To play devil's advocate, I guess I would say some gay shit about how Miles Morales is breaking down barriers, and democratizing one of the most important cultural figures in the Western world. Other than that, I got nothing.
>>147113271The writer of the Miles Thor comic was hispanic. I think they even knew Miles isn't hispanic enough because in the 2017 show they added Anya.
>>147113046He has no good stories, no good villains, and no reason to call himself Spider-Man
>>147113573I know you're probably joking but that's just it. People will say because he's cool or has aura but who is he a person? When you remove what he borrowed from Peter what's left? Listing off his hobbies doesn't count as a character traits and even those aren't consistent
>>147113721>HobbiesDefacing public property with a spray-can doesn't count as a hobby, much less art.
>>147113574ie they want to stick it to whitey
>>147113735This reminds me Luz from the owl house is afro latino too but people will say she's not black enough but you say the opposite about Miles they'll probably call you racist.
>>147113046>without bringing up his raceBecause there's literally nothing else to mention about him.
>>147113874Racist
>>147113891REAList
