Remember that time they made a Batman movie that didn't have the Joker in it, but both the bad guys were doing Joker impressions?
>>147084785Tommy lee jones was playing the JokerJim Carrey was playing himslef, so Jim Carrey.
>>147084785Joker is the only Batman villain that people care about, that keeps audiences awake. The rest of them are boring extremists now.Boring as fuck.
>>147084785TLJ's entire direction seems to have been 'chew all the scenery as ineffectively as possible'. He just feels like an out of control minion to Carey's rendition of Mark Hamill's Trickster.
>>147084839He had the impossible task of hamming it up vs Jim Carrey. Tommy wouldn't survive the drugs necessary to get on that level.
Now audiences get fed this sorta shit, and some not-Penguin who's not even Dick Tracy tier.
>>147084875The fact that they're afraid of doing an accurate Penguin despite the fact he's already pretty grounded is nothing less than absurd
>>147084909The Nolan-ification of Batman was a mistake.
>>147084909Apparently a dapper criminal with weapons concealed in his umbrella is just too wacky, it's Giant Squid clone absurdity that cape fans cannot accept.
>>147084785>>147084839It's hard to understand what Tommy Lee Jones was doing until you realize he grew up with Dick Tracy comics.He was doing "two-face", a criminal crook with an ugly mug, who's real crazy: crazy for crime that is! That weirdo copper, Batman or something, can't go messing around in his turf!Whatcha talkin' about <<psychological issues>>? None of that mumbo jumbo here, just some good old fashioned crime!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44Cx-00FYIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QedVjF5vpQE
>>147084909Penguin is by far the least consistent Batman character, nobody knows what to do with him
What is this pose meant to convey?
>>147084785They’d werent though.
>>147085025Well, the main issue is that Batman movies revolve around social issue terrorism, and not heists, capers, robberies, boners what have you.Penguin planting bombs throughout Gotham is hard to imagine.
>>147084785Even in Batman Returns they use circus/clown henchmen, although you could argue it fits with the circus freak theme and in the plot the public weren't supposed to connect with gang with the penguin.
>>147085020>he grew up with Dick Tracy comics.Truly a man of refined taste.
It was a successor in tone to the 60s Batman show/movie. All the villains were manic and wacky.
>>147085020Danny Elfman really just does the same score in every movie.
>>147085160Parents complained about Returns so much that they made sure Forever was as cartoonish and wouldn't scare the kids as much as possible. Schumacher would apparently constantly yell between takes "Remember everyone it's supposed to be like a cartoon!" to keep everyone in that mentality.
>>147084839Jones is fairly spot on in his first scene but once he started filming with Carrey he apparently got threatened that this up and comer was stealing his thunder and proceeded to do his best to try to out ham him. Meanwhile Carrey was just doing his crazy man the same way he did every 90s film.
I know they're not really good films, but if nothing else I can appreciate Forever and B&R for the simple fact they actually attempted to look like the Batman comics of the day.Though I think all the neon was perhaps. step too far.
>>147084785I do not sanction your buffoonery anon
>>147085034It's like a mocking version of a "would I lie to you?"/honest posturing, or just a generally pompous pose.
>>147085025This. I’m willing to bet a good deal of people who would complain about him not being “ old money” do t even know that wasn’t a thing until the Burton movie, and he didn’t even have a real name until post-Crisis.
>>147085034>Hi, I'm Harvey Dent, do you know that you have rights? The coin says you do!
>>147084854He was Two-Face ffs! He can be both straight man AND ham. Clearly direction and writing are to blame, here.
>>147085882Forever rocks so he did good work
>>147084827but modern Joker is an extremist. he's not really funny anymore.
>>147084806>>147084785Originally it was going to be Jim Varney and Robin Williams as Two Face and Riddler with Marlon Wayans as Robin but it never happened.Source: I saw it in a dream
>>147084785Also Penguin has circus and clown themed goons. Even Joker didn't have those in his movie.
>>147084839Jones was fine in his own scenes. But every time Carey appeared Jones for some reason wanted to out wacky him and acted like a cartoon character.
>>147084785I kinda like this film's version of Robin. I remember thinking he was cool when I watched it as a kid.
>>147084827Well, it's the film makers are the ones to fucking laser focused on turning every villain into something REAL! They have to be REALLY REAL that cold REALLY happen by REAL people. It's fucking annoying. People are fine with a costumed villain. But Directors and studio executives demand every Bat villain actually be a late 90s psychological thriller killer instead.
>>147087868Jim Varney would make a good Killer Croc
