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CLEARLY an improvement

>Hazbin Hotel but its a MAD parody from 2011

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>chatgpt generate memphis corporate style hazbin hotel characters plz

>>151269192
literally thought the same

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>>151269164
>Husk is voiced by Keith David
>therefore I made him old and black
Brilliant. No doubt the work of a profe- sorry, of a **PROFESSIONAL** Character Designer.

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>>151269164
>Hazbin characters are too red what if they were entirely brown with a little yellow :)

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>>151269164
>angel dust and pentious are nearly unchanged
>alastor is a furry
huh?

>>151269499
>Alastor is actually Whitey Duvall from 8 Crazy Nights and he was reincarnated as the thing he hates most, a poop deer

>>151269164
If this is what professional looks like, that explains why cartoons have sucked for 8 years.

>>151269164
>professional cartoon designer
>isn’t in the industry
>just posts on youtube and twitter
lol girl at least be honest

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>>151269164
She did this 5 years ago back during the pilot era too, like I prefer the more loose and expressive style of the pilot and even she fucked this shit up, she completely sucked the appeal and fluidity right out of the designs, quite an "improvement" there.

>>151269164
Charlie unironically looks better

Is /co/ going to pretend Hazbin has good designs? They are clusterfuck sparkledog designs.

>>151269164
Wow, this actually manages to be worse
Genuinely impressive

>>151269818
every character is a stick figure with red and grey color schemes with 5000 asymmetrical arbitrary markings all over
its like the reference sheet a furry would give you for their OC

>>151269813
She looks like she was drawn by a child, her face is at a 3/4 view but her eyes are just copy pasted and flipped

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>>151269869
People only watch it for the porn. It is actual fucking cringe otherwise.

>From a professional Furry

>>151269164
I hate vivzieslop aesthetic, but removing all the saturated color and the obsession with simplifying everything is not the way to go

>>151269164
someone drew these and thought they were not only an improvement, but good enough that they deserved an entire video explaining why they're better than the originals. unparalleled levels of delusion

You can criticize Vivzie for a lot of things, but I think the art direction and character designs aren't it. Not because I think they're good, per say, but rather that they're refreshing and understand appealing to desires by trying to make characters that look appealing. These "expert character designers" have been pumping out bland and garbage character designs for years in the West. I don't need to explain shit like beanmouth to you.

Vivzie understands making character designs that are just appealing on a base level to people.

>>151269164
That Charlie is pretty cute,actually

>>151269164
So. What have they worked on? What makes them a professional?

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>>151269164
Post actual good redesigns.
They are out there.
Alastor has always looked like shit and is one of the worst designs of the cast.

>>151269791
*Professional nuclear reactor engineer*
>Doesn't actually work at a nuclear plant
>Just reads about it and does "COURSES" and that totally makes him qualified.
Roflmao.

>>151271265
Oh my God this redesign sucks.

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>>151270688
This shouldn’t surprise a single person itt, but she recently graduated CalArts. The most notable work in her portfolio is that she designed these lovely abominations used by Kroger. Kroger is a grocery chain in the States for any anons that don’t know. She was probably given pretty strict guidelines by Kroger for what they wanted in a copy/paste “mascot”, but she did the work regardless so it’s worth mentioning. It’s the only thing that really speaks to her credentials. I don’t like Hazbin’s designs at all, but there’s substantially more soul in what Viv made as opposed to what this gal showed in her video.

>>151269796
Oh it’s her, she looked pretty hot in that Charlie cosplay she did

>>151272323
Huh. Well I will say I actually do recognize these designs. I've seen the ads. They're not really great designs though.

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>>151272359
She didn't design the characters. Kroger introduced them in 2019. "Character designer" in this case means choosing hair styles and outfits for the Kroger puppets.

That's a character designer in the most basic sense, but it's not like she was creating characters from scratch.

>>151269796
post the second attempt, I fucking really dig her take on Alastor

>>151269547
Peter if apu

>>151269164
For what it's worth, these designs are a technical improvement in the sense that they're more animation friendly, easier on the eyes, and do a better job at distinguishing each of the characters' roles/backgrounds and personalities.

But they fail at preserving Vivzie's personal brand of autism. It's the kind you only get from being an ex-Homestuck fan who was exclusively raised on Tim Burton, animated movies and musicals, yaoi fanfiction, and being terminally online on Deviantart and Tumblr.

>>151270662
Viv is an average character designer - she actually used to be much better at it, but she's suffered from obvious skill decay due to not drawing from life enough and not drawing enough period. What Viv excels at is creating striking silhouettes for her characters and expressing unbridled Deviantart-Tumblr teenage autistic maximalism. Her designs are amateur, shallow, uninspired, and impulsive, but that is what gives them charm...and when compared to what usually gets mandated for "safe" designs for most adult animation, even the most janky/clunky/messy stuff from Deviantart and Tumblr looks better by sheer comparison.

>>151270662
Most of the time the rules these character designers follow are terrible for making something appealing. The stuff around shape language and silhouettes just makes generic designs. They are really only good for like background characters. Hazbin Hotel and Smiling Friends follow none of those rules, and the only reason the characters are recognizable are because we like the characters. They are funny/appealing because they look unique and cool, nothing else. As long as they don't look like autist drawings it's fine.

>>151272528
To be specific when it comes to how Viv sucks at drawing

>lack of values or misuse of values
>janky anatomy
>same-face/body syndrome
>draws on impulse = lack of structures (Viv basically trained herself by drawing with pen/marker instead of pencil)
>EVERY character has highly saturated colors
>motifs and color pallets are overused or used in exactly the same way
>Viv shades with hues instead of values which results in her art being hard to look at
>lack of inspiration
>overload of conflicting ideas being evoked (some of which don't show at all in the design, or are unclear/obscured)
>Viv's shading doesn't follow any light sources
>Viv's method of shading layers the shading over ANOTHER laying of shading
>Viv has admitted to not knowing color theory very well and doesn't really use it at all
>Viv draws on a large canvas + uses thin lines + colors in lines with light shades = characters melt into each other

>>151272631
That's not really true. Smiling Friends' art DOES follow rules and that's why the designs look appealing.

>>151272663
further elaboration:
>Viv comes up with designs and then slaps a personality/background onto it (when it's supposed to be the other way around)
>Viv doesn't read that many books, and mostly watches only musicals/cartoons she grew up on or stuff she's already seen
>Viv doesn't like to go through multiple drafts for a character design (this isn't inherently bad - that's how we got Kim Katsuragi and Invisigal - but it can lead to obvious problems if this is done for EVERY character)

>>151269164
Good Lord, what happened to Niffty?!

>>151271265
there are few standout "good Hazbin redesigns" because the vast majority of artists who try to fix Vivzie's shit either make the same mistake of keeping too many ideas being evoked (and in Viv's case, not evoking them at all), neglect/remove the core ideas that Viv is failing to evoke, or are more concerned with creating an appealing design in their own style than making it with the the Hazbin/Helluva Boss style (informed by impulsive amateur Deviantart/Tumblr sensibilities)

the sad truth is that Vivzie's designs are basically equivalent to doodles in a teenager's sketchbook while most of the endless redesigns are what would end up on the cutting room floor and then shoved in an artbook

>>151269164
EWWWW WTFFFFF

>>151269791
>>151272212
plus, spin it all you want, the people WORKING at the vivzie studio are, by definition, professional character designers

>>151269164
>hire they fans moment

>>151269164
>Deerlastor re-design #4137262
>Tom and Jerry reject
>Bland as hell
>Dilapidated as hell
>Boring-ass spider
>Alternate outfit
>Haha bug joke

>>151271265
>Post actual good redesigns.
So do it first

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Viv’s writing is so bad it leaks into her character design. Hell, some of the official character designs of Hazbin could work as is with no changes if you twisted their stories a bit.
>Alastor is deer themed
he works better fox themed
>Husk is a cat
He works better as a **husk**y dog
>Niffty is a bug
She works better as a cyclops loli.
>Vaggie is a moth
I honestly don’t know how to twist Vaggie’s design shes just shit lol
>Angel Dust is a spider
He works better as a moth. Valentino should be the spider.
Charlie and Sir P are ok. They’re still bad designs for other reasons but at least they don’t feel like they’re lying to me.

>>151269164
All these "re-designers" have a bad case of dunning kruger

>>151269164
Interesting

Oh wait, it's same chick from years ago