Lucifer is my king!
>>153798894
>>153798894Made to be gaped.
>>153798894Your king is an evil loser
>>153799958Again, Unredeemably evil and also a bitter loser
>>153799165I'm not straight but...
>>153798894I hope Abel cuts off Lucifer’s dick.
TOTAL LOSEIFER DEATH
>>153800521I would duck his cock in a heartbeat.
>>153800495Peak
>>153800601Same.
I want him to be real.
>>153798894built to impregnate adam.
He can morph to be anything you could ever want to fuck or be fucked by.
>>153801970He's so handsome.
Made for hot angel sex.
Rank each season 2 Hazbin Hotel song.
>>153803162sera's confession is the best song.
>>153803907Sexy...
you've been bumping this thread for 5 hours let it go man
>>153805116There's more one anon...
>>153805294*more than oneSorry
>>153798894Do we think he'll ever be happy chat?
>>153805360Hopefully soon.
Post Lucifer's butt.
>>153805676
Who's going to voice Lilith?
>>153806669Lady Gaga probably.
I would suck his dick.
How much of a nerd is Baxter when compared to other nerdy /co/ characters?
>>153808367I mean... I don't think anyone can beat him at that.
>>153806669Someone les sexy than Patrick Stump.
>>153798894I don't understand why people like him.>He doesn't have to be an accurate representation of-Yeah I don't care about that. He's a hoarder with a quirky duck obsession that really inform anything about his character. Which would be fine. I could get the idea of a fallen angel obsessed with the ugly duckling or even ducks in general because of him romanticizing being a part of something. But then that would make him a fucking hypocrite as he doesn't really seem to care for Charlie or her aspirations and is only doing it to one up someone. Religious accuracy aside, there are still things that speak to his character as a manipulator and a trickster but NOT a fucking performer.He's a depressed recluse until the show decides he's not. He's a snarky witty asshole until the show decides he has the naivity of a gold fish. Nothing about him aids to the plot except as a plot device to save Charlie from a losing battle or as a tool for Voxs bullshit. He only exists to give stupid scenes a reason for happening.
>>153808555Want a duck?
>>153798894He's a turbo manlet so he can't be that important.
Would Charlie be a good mom?
lucifer sex
Husk is cute.
>>153809147Yes.
>>153800002Your OC doesn’t exist in this franchise
>>153800601First Man hands wrote this.
>>153803162Vox Populi would be the best if Lucifer was allowed to continue singing but instead Vox interrupts him with a dramatically worse tune.
Lucifer is sooooooooooooooo boring
>>153800995canon
>>153808555I’m still convinced the duck obsession is him latching onto the first real connection he made with Charlie. In the More Than Anything flashback, there isn’t a single duck in sight.
>>153808555Because Viv can't write for shit so his characterization is bipolar af.
This board really hates Hazbin Hotel huh?
>>153814198You’re on 4chan everyone hates everything here
>>153800002Let’s be honest, if Michael ever did show up they’d just make him like a tall blue color coded Lucifer and say they are brothers.
>>153814354Honestly not even sure about the tall part. He's 100th percent going to be a twink but I'm not sure if they are even going to bother making him distinct from Lucifer. He might just end up as a color swap and that's it.
>>153803303Funny way to spell Like You
>>153799115KEK
Best Ship.
>>153813390Says the retard defending the fanfic of the Devil winning and the Anti-Christ being an autistic princess
>>153815073Lucifer and some yume shipper?
>>153813417Ikr? Lucifer was so good.
>>153815514I think that's the mom of the main girl from the owl house.
>>153815481Idk man I don't think we're getting any more biblical characters. The show already offed Adam. Lucifer is a joke. Lilith only exists to aura farm and be vague. Eve is apparently so irrelevant she ain't mentioned at all in S2.
>>153816178I like to think Cain is still out there, doing Cain things. The story of Cain and Abel makes them so incredibly intrinsically entwined it would be criminal to have one and not the other.
>>153817311Walking the earth with a mark put there by the almighty himself
>>153817311>>153817502Maybe he somehow ends up in hell through IMP shenanigans. Having an immortal human walking around would be a pretty big deal plus we could see his reaction to his father's (second) death and reunion with Abel.
>>153817311He’s in LA driving a taxi
>>153816178there's a theory that lute is eve secretly somehow and adam and abel never knew.
Lucifer is fucking lame.SpindleHorse writing is nothing but low effort pandering.
What we missed...
>>153799165>>153803907why did vivzie give him whore eyes
>>153818949because he is one. that said he failed to obtain the eden hat trick so his whorishness will forever be unfulfilled.
>>153818189That theory is less likely when there is actually an another Adam “wife” within the myth that fits in better with Lute. She was covered in blood and was never named. Rejected for being too off or creepy.
>>153819242My Lord told me Lucifer keep stealing his women so I asked how many women he has and he said he just goes to the shelter and gets a new woman afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding women to Lucifer and then his man started crying.
How old is Charlie?
>>153818189I don't know if I prefer the idea that Lute is Eve or that Lute is thematically a 'new Lucifer' and Adam is her Lilith.
>>153819242Some people say the bloody woman is actually Roo.
>>153819297Bruh what are you trying to say? You sound drunk.
>>153819516We don’t know. There’s that one time a person who worked on the pilot said she was over 200 and it was never really disproved, and Viv once said she’s in her 20s in Hell Years but never clarified what Hell Years are, so her age is a mystery. Personally I go with the 200 year old, like the idea of her actually being older than all of her hotel guests is funny to me.
>>153819585Care to elaborate?
>>153819768OOC, she's not wedged between adam's divine tits.
>>153819898There's a ton of fallen angel imagery in Gravity. If Lute is a heavenborn angel and she starts disobeying orders from her superiors because she loves Adam (one of the two original humans, the other one obviously being Lilith) that makes her ripe to be a Lucifer parallel. It would work on a couple of levels: a Lute fall and banishment scene would look great interspersed with Eden flashbacks, and if they did want to re-introduce Adam as a sinner then it could help them jumpstart a redemption arc because they might finally start understanding Lucifer's perspective.
>nobody posted the image where he's slumped over and his butt looks bigsad!
ah sweet relief
So I don't care about this stupid show, but I'm curious about the VA process. I remember one of the things talked about in the community and advertising is how this show has broadway actors. My question is are these people really that accessible if your show pilot does big numbers?
he was cringe incarnate in season one but I came around to thinking he was ok in two
>>153821516It was picked up by Amazon Prime with the intent of building a library of IP to compete with Netflix and it's also produced by A24 who make huge movies like Midsomar so yes they have access to these people. Patrick Stump was apparently so excited he was approached for a part he said yes almost immediately.
>>153821516They’re accessible even if you don’t have a successful pilot. Broadway actors are more chill compared to Hollywood ones, many of them meet with fans right after shows to sign autographs or even chat for a bit. That’s how Vivziepop met James Monroe Iglehart a few years before the pilot for Hazbin came out. She showed him her animations, and he liked them enough to add her on Facebook and tell her to let him know if she ever got her own show. He recorded one line for the Hazbin pilot, and now he voices characters in both Helluva and Hazbin.It seems Vivzie was also a bit lucky, because from what I remember both Vox and Lucifer's VAs, who have successful stage careers and rarely do voice work, mentioned that during the pandemic they recorded for many shows (though most of them never ended up airing), because the theaters were closed and they had nothing else to do.
>>153820513built to breed adam. get him 3/3 of god's creations.
>>153819708How? Lute is the one that actually has blood on her design. Roo has no blood on her. Roo just drinks it.
>>153820574> and if they did want to re-introduce Adam as a sinner then it could help them jumpstart a redemption arc because they might finally start understanding Lucifer's perspective.Nah. Lucifer is a destructive fuck boy back when everything was perfect and no one was plotting on corrupting and taking over heaven.The big difference between Adam and Lilith is that Adam sticks by the rules and order so hard Lute bows down to it even after he’s dead. The living Lilith encourages Lucifer to break the rules.It doesn’t really help that Lute was practically never stable while Lucifer was actually perfect.
>>153825086I don't like Lucifer very much so he's not perfect
>>153825276Objectively he was.
>>153825379Nope he not
I love Lucifer.
>>153825696Ok Viv
>>153825553Then what was he before his fall? The most powerful angel in heaven even among his own sub mega race of seraphim.
>>153825836He definitely wasn't the most powerful angel in Heaven if the elders could kick him out just like that
i swear i once saw a reference sheet where lilith had a necklace that was referred to as a tracker, which mentioned lucifer made it so he'd always know where she is. how fucked is lucifer's relationship with charlie going to end up if that's still true and she finds out he's been keeping that from her all this time?
>>153825802Hush.
>>153813893This. Hazbin Hotel is all style, no substance. I watched the show because, I'll admit, I think the art style is fun and I have friends IRL who like it. I thought the writing was abysmal and the entire thing is carried by fans wanting to fuck or get fucked by the characters.
>>153827096That's actually a thing?
>>153824968Thing is Roo looks ( or is supposed to look) kinda creepy and weird. Lute is just regular pretty so Adam rejecting her does seem pretty weird. The bloody woman is supposed to look somewhat grotesque.
>>153818189I mean... https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504There’s actually a lot that lines up between the old Eve leaks, Lute’s actual characterization & all the weirdly specific things Jessica Vosk has said over the past year. I’m firmly in the “Lute is Eve” camp at this point. But people are eager to write it off as nothing. I’m just gonna sit back quietly until the show either proves me catastrophically wrong or the entire fandom collectively explodes when shit hits the fan.
>>153832605Past two years** like,, since before the show started airing. But eh it's whatever. Nobody gives a shit. People are stuck on the 'b-b-b-but Roo is Eve!' (hint: she's not. this was already debunked)
>>153832605>>153832615At this point I'm hoping Eve is someone we already know and not a whole knew character because otherwise we will be having several chicks fighting for the meager 10 minutes of villain screen time while the Tumblr sexy men get several episodes.
>>153832976Well actually… I know somebody in the Patreon server and they recently confirmed they do not plan on introducing many more biblical figures because they want to focus on the ones already established/set up already. The question was about whether we would get more figures like Peter... Adam and Eve were specifically mentioned in that answer. Pretty sure we've seen Eve in some capacity.
>>153833021Typos. *Don't plan on introducing any more biblical figures and just want to focus on the ones they already established. Adam and Eve were mentioned here specifically.
>>153833030>Adam and Eve were mentioned here specifically.Oh neat. Weird they would mention Eve if she's not here yet then. Is there a full quote available?
>>153832564>Roo looks ( or is supposed to look) kinda creepy and weirdI think she looks HOT.
>>153833825I agree.
>>153819768This is literally impossible
>>153819242>>153819708>>153832564>all evil in the world exists because adam didn't want to have sex with a woman he wasn't attracted to lmao
>>153834996She might have been thrown in the trash bin before meeting Adam because heaven thought it wouldn't work out. Adam did admit in the show that he banged a virtue chick which apparently are those mantis type angels that you can see in the courtroom. He should be a bit of a monster fucker.
>>153821976I thought he was fine in season one, but the writers did him unbelievably dirty in season two. Now I'm not saying they should've killed him like the leaks implied, but...
>>153835078it's interesting because on the one hand he loves hell's tunes and vibes and thinks it's hardcore (which i think is a hint that he liked lilith's songs regardless of what she was actually inciting sinners to do with them), but in the same conversation he calls hell a bummer and says 'everything else is just so BLEGH y'know? ew.' and looks genuinely distressed for a second. it's like he WANTS hell to be cool, or at least thought of it as a cool place until he actually went down there, and is annoyed that it's not. that whole conversation fascinates me.
>>153835208Adam and Lute both wear monster masks and Lute's always covered in blood she refuses to wash off, they are both crude and violent and by all accounts don't fit neatly into Heaven and its pasttimes
>>153835939i wonder if heaven has a societal schism between old testament types like adam vs new testament types like emily, which would neatly explain why adam and lute have never been cast out despite the horrors.tangentially related i also do wonder how/if the great flood is going to be a major story beat bc it really seems like they're hitching thematic ties to it - 'gravity' is basically a retelling of it (storm's coming, no running's gonna save you, hard rain etc), and vox describing himself as the flood in 'vox dei' etc. i wonder if witnessing god's ruthlessness against his descendents did anything to adam's psyche.
I think it would be tragically funny and very in character for Adam if one of the reasons he never picked up on Lute's feelings for him is he assumed she's a lesbian based on superficial shit like her dumb haircut and overall demeanour. And if she's bisexual like Jessica Vosk hints then maybe in the past she's said or done some stuff that reinforces Adam's thoughts that she's totally gay. Maybe he even thinks she appreciates his bragging about his conquests as some kind of locker room bro talk. Maybe he has harbored feelings for her at various points but tamps them down because too bad she's a lesbian, well that fucking sucks, if only she wasn't gay she'd be perfect and I'd totally stick my dick in that. God knows a chunk of the fanbase assumes she's a lesbian so why not him too?
>>153836164Noah would be an amazing foil to Adam. He's the ancestor of every single post-flood human being. I see him harboring a lot of worries about his descendants and having a lot of complex feelings about the ones in Hell. Probably the only other biblical figure I'd really like to see in Hazbin Hotel.
>>153836330No, he has no interest in her because she's a created being and he can sense her lack of sovl. As far as he's concerned, she's a murderbot who backs him up and helps him out. Nothing more, nothing less...or at least that's how I want him to see her, if only to btfo all the horny guitarspear shippers.
>>153836546Nah, Viv has said otherwise, so it won't be that.
>>153836662Dammit. At least she still hates Charlastor, right?
>>153836698She hates Charlastor so fucking much but she's said that she likes writing for Guitarspear.
I don't think Viv dislikes straight ships as much as people think she does. It's literally just Charlastor.
>>153836719>>153836811As long as she dislikes Serapherd, then Hazbin should be fine.
>>153836956She hasn't said anything on serapherd as far as I know
>>153836956Why are you so pressed about straight fangirls? are you a gay perchance?
>>153836719>>153836811yeah she specifically gave adam the smile before he died because she wanted to show his and lute's bond and was sad she didn't get to show them more - originally he was already going to be dead and glazed over. in the scene where adam tells lute to chill she talks about how cute they are together too.
>>153837053Knowing how fujos and Yuri shippers act the clown you just replied to might be straight.
>>153836811>>153836956She also dislikes Abel X Lute. People speculate it might be because she wants their relationship to be more like a mother and son one.
>>153836330Viv did suggest in an interview that he didn't know that she cared so much about him. So I think he just probably didn't suspect it.
>>153836546Cope. Alex has already suggested that he probably had feelings for her.
>>153836956You sound retarded. Why do you want her to hate straight ships so bad? Fucking weirdo.
>>153838025She has not said that she dislikes this ship, she just so happens to not like anything romantic related to it. I'm telling you, she's Eve.
There's an entire alternative version of Hazbin Hotel which charlastor shippers seem to be watching where Charlie leaves Vaggie for Alastor and Vaggie angsts about it endlessly and is maybe a bit evil
>>153838522Sounds like the one where people think Lute is a raging lesbian that wants to rape Vaggie, was groomed by Adam, and cares about the Exorcist soldiers.
>>153838522>>153838547Both those scenarios are never gonna happen and anyone who actually believes that is psychotic.
>>153838588i hope we get a scene where lute looks at a picture of adam and humps his desk specifically to wreck these people's fantasies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1d8r5uRU3I
>>153838753Bruh her having a Shinji moment where she does that with pictures of Adam would be pretty kino. To bad it ain't gonna happen cuz the show ain't for adults.
>>153838880It is for adults. It's just not for fucking degenerate ass perverts who want a grieving person to hump a desk with her crush's picture. The fuck. This ain't no Rick and Morty
>>153838547Fallenwings is exclusively the province of either people who don't give a fuck about Lute and Vaggie and just want them out of the way so they can ship Adam and Charlie with other people or the most hypersensitive virgin lesbians you've either seen
>>153839040kinda based if they want to ship adam and charlie though. chadam/guitarprincess can be very fun.
>>153839040Real.
>>153798894Of course someone as highly satanic as you would bow before satan
>>153839060There was an old 4chan AU that had the four of them living together in a big foursome and that WAS based.
>>153838962Who the fuck mentioned Rick and Morty. Secondly who the fuck actually likes Rick and Morty?
>>153839128-I- mentioned Rick and Morty because the shit that you are wanting is in line with that slop. What does the second point have anything to do with what I said?
>>153839219What I would want from such a scene is to show the mental degradation of a character. It would be an quiet uncomfortable scene that takes itself seriously. Also the whole act of masturbation would be purely implied. No nudity. Nothing. The complete opposite of Rick and Morty slop or the usual immature stuff in HH.
>>153839355I think you just want to see Lute get off.
>>153839355Sure bro.
>>153839355in that OG scene i linked, it's a sign that that character is going insane, and you don't actually see anything gratuitous. >>153839406nothing wrong with that though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH-_WC8y_08he is kinda right though
>>153839759So you need to see her get off to get the fact that she's losing her grip on sanity and is grieving? As if that's not clear already? Y'all are retarded.
>>153839766i don't know, i'm like three minutes in and he's already said something incredibly stupid. and i'm also not a fan of him critiquing for edgelord slop while dropping AVGN-tier comments about shit smell. 'charlie's methods suck!' yeah, they do and the show shows this by having them fail at every step and that everyone hates doing them. sir pentious wasn't redeemed by her pop-psych methods, but by the community she created and the friendships he formed within that gave him something meaningful in life to change for.
>>153839939Bruh chill
What would Abel do if he walked in on Lute jilling off?
>>153840113He would run away like a coward.
>>153840147>Abel jacking off in an office because he saw Lute jilling off in a different office
>>153840186>emily watches from the window. she used to watch adam and lute but abel will do.
>>153838257Have you ever simply thought it is weird for Abel to do Lute when she is shipped to his dad?
>>153835208Adam doesn’t like Hell at all. He was speaking with the literal ruler of it and trying to not cry about it.
>>153839766>>153839987yeah no this gets basic and incredibly obvious shit wrong. adam moves the exterminations forward as revenge for the slain exorcist. the entire meeting was an excuse for adam's ship to lurk in hell to locate the body, which is why he drags it out so long.a ton of his questions about the setting/characters are also very clearly meant to be answered by the show in later seasons (eg why adam is in heaven despite being a shit), or nitpicking about pop-hell and pop-heaven not specifically nailing which exact denomination of christianity they're following when they're obviously a pastiche. this guy is hitting way too many of my pet peeves for reviewers so whatever else he has to say, i don't care to hear it.
>>153816178Lilith exists to rape Adam and Cain
>>153840744It's no weirder than Adam x Charlie which has plenty of fans.
>>153839766>Looks like a retard.>Is a retard.Always judge a book by its cover.
>>153840874According to Viv herself, he was apparently 'too real/realistic' and Amazon asked to make him into a rockstar. I wonder what he was like.
>>153841147yeah i agree, thats why this fandom is retarded
>>153841162she mentions that in the commentary (although i think it was A24 that asked, not amazon) and also said that made him way more fun to write for, so i assume OG adam was pretty dour. i also wonder also how that would affect guitarspear's popularity if his dynamic with lute was stricter and he was less playful with her.
>>153841038I don't think Viv has the balls to make Lilith rape Adam. I feel like they're going to chicken out in Invincible ( another Amazon show) so the chance of it happening in Hazbin is zero.
>>153841321I guess it would be the pilot Adam we see in silhouette. Yes, it would still be popular, but I think it would have a different fanbase. It'd probably be popular with the kinds of people who want to fuck Frollo and Snape. I much prefer the playful frat boy Adam we got.If Amazon had significant input in his characterization that proves he and Lute were developed very late compared to everyone else.
Roo has been around for a long time, before the show was picked up by A24/Amazon and even before the pilot iirc, and I think if she was Eve then Vivziepop would have a strong idea of who her Adam was early on, but it seems Adam came much later so Roo has gotta be her own thing
>>153841837I don’t think Adam was in the show. Emily’s early concepts were reworked into Lute.
>>153841951Honestly it could me more of case of Adam just being completely unimportant in the original draft. He might have originally been a Peter type character were he was pretty irrelevant and just a mascot for heaven.
>>153842019What was Emily's early concept? I've never heard of this, interesting.
>>153841951She's not Eve. I was in a server with an employee who left in ... 2022 or something. She confirmed that no, Roo is not Eve. Roo has never been Eve. When you look at the old leaks, it doesn't even say that. People assumed they were the same. Roo = Evil, the Evil entity in the beginning. One of the pitches for the Good goddess was 'ray of hope' to counter 'root of all evil'
>>153842063Apparently she was originally white.
>>153842063They might be talking about that one bloodthirsty angel character in Zoophobia. She looks more like Speaker though, not Emily or Lute.I also don't even think the dragon silhouette in the pilot was Adam. I think Adam was written in specifically for the show.
>>153842130No. There is an Emily concept drawing with her being barefoot and holding a sword.
>>153841837>one of the best characters in the show wasn't even developed by Viv, but by corporate suits of all thingsReally makes you think.
>>153842185Sauce?
>>153842130Now I want to read Zoophobia and see what concepts made it to Hazbin. I should have read it years ago, I was vaguely aware of it and never got round to it. But I loved the Die Young music video with JayJay when that was new.
>>153842107Roo and Eve are mixed together like a hag possessed by a demon.
>>153842243Actually no. Again, that's everyone's assumption. https://x.com/s3tok41b4/status/1740679527091827115Even these widely circulated leaks (which are old) don't say that. The employee in that one server also confirmed Roo is revealed *after* shit is resolved with Eve. It sounds more like she's just watching everything go down. Again, people just heard Roo is the ultimate big bad of the entire series and assumed she was inside of Eve driving her actions. That has never been confirmed.
Okay yeah there's gonna be some recycled stuff in this comic
>>153842462Viv has also liked a few posts where they talk about Roo being all the eyes in Hell. Evil/Roo is in Hell, all the eyes. She's not in Heaven. If the Eve/Lilith/Rosie twin plotline was ever true then it looks like it was scrapped.
>>153842509I'm pretty sure this is Roo's prototype. She literally *is* the apple / the tree. Also iirc Roo's prototype was Alastor's prototype's love interest at first and then his mom, or some shit.
>>153842523And if it’s not scrapped, how would you react?
>>153842567React? I mean... how am I supposed to react? Would I cry and go in a rage, you mean? Nah. I had no problem with this plotline when I first heard of it. I was counting on it, even. But the more you dig with everything that's been said and the show itself, it matches less and less with it, which is extremely confusing. But who said those old plots were still in place. Look at Adam. Look at Lucifer. Hell, look at Sir Pentious... Shit changes.
>>153800495Speaking of, is Cain still out there, in the mortal world?
>>153842605I just don’t see Lilith being the one to abandon her family. Eve being the big bitch makes way more sense to me and pretty much makes her quite unnerving by how heartless she is.
I know this little red guy is the son of Lucifer and in Zoophobia Lucifer and Satan are the same guy. Wonder if he'll ever get a shoutout in Hellaverse.
>>153842651Maybe. Maybe not. Some people have jumped to thinking Zestial being Cain ever since the Abel reveal happened.
>>153842702Literally none of us know how Lilith is, even less of Eve. That's wishful thinking / headcanon. Wait until S3. I have no idea where people get these assumptions about Eve. We know even less about her than Lilith.'Makes way more sense' Bruh, the characters haven't even shown up yet. That makes just as much as sense as saying Lilith was the best mother in the world and held hostage by Heaven.
>>153842736There's a Zestial/Cain person on these boards sometimes. Zero evidence or backing just pure headcanons. Worse than matpat (or whatever he goes by)
>>153842702Also, clearly, Adam is fond of her. He doesn't hate her, at least. Definitely not a bitch. Get a grip.
>>153842781wait is he fond of eve or fond of lilith? because if lilith, i always figured him not mentioning lilith being in heaven to lucifer or charlie as a gotcha was because he assumed they already knew. are you suggesting she asked him to keep it secret and he obeyed without being compelled by a deal, or that he was willing to agree to that condition in the first place is proof of fondness for lilith? as for eve, i dunno. given he's sleeping around in heaven he obviously considers their relationship over.
>>153842736>>153842761Perhaps it's for the best if he doesn't show up.He probably wouldn't be gay so the fans would hate him and Vivzie only gets off to gay rape.And possibly bestiality.
>>153842917Nothing in the show suggests he's fond of Lilith. He says ribs are his favorite food and when Lucifer talks shit, he doesn't reach much when Lilith is mentioned, but he gets pissed when Eve is mentioned.Obviously their relationship is over but that doesn't mean he isn't fond of her. Maybe he feels like shit because he fucked things up with her. Or maybe he's lying about sleeping around. We don't know those details yet. But going by the show's narrative clues / context, we can deduce he is fond of her. For someone who talks shit on sinners and Hell, you'd think he'd talk about the first sinner who fucked things up for him.Viv also mentioned that Abel was not among his favorite children. It's assumed Cain was a favorite, which is odd. We have a guy who hates sinners yet he never talks ill of his former wife, the one who introduced evil into the world or Cain, the first murderer.As for the deal, I suspect he didn't know shit. Why else would this loudmouth shitstain not mention Lilith 'once' during the final battle to rub it in Charlie or Lucifer's face? He's not good at keeping secrets. I wouldn't be surprised if Sera did shit behind his back.
>>153843005He's already been mentioned directly by Sam in an interview (granted, to give context for Abel) and indirectly by Viv twice. We may see Adam's children, maybe in flashbacks. Who knows.
>>153843046They probably can't get Henry Rollins to voice him anyway.Rollins did my favourite take on Cain.
>>153843138Who do you think will voice Lilith?
>>153799115Your mythical god is far more evil then ever demon ever could be according to your own dogma. Seethe
>>153842544I'm now about halfway through the comic (it's not a long comic). This Roo-type person basically tricked the protagonist to signing on for a job that relocates her to a safe haven for all kinds of living beings which is always teetering on the edge of destruction by evil forces. She's a deceiver, so, pretty Roo-like so far.
>>153843258Definitely reminds me of the deal Adam(?) made with Lilith... Hm.
The Heaven vs Hell dichotomy is waaaaaay more simplistic in Zoophobia
>>153842761The entire thing here is head canon.
>>153843353The Bible cat. Screamed up by the son of Satan. He is a true follower of Jesus Christ.
Finished Zoophobia. It's pretty schizophrenic, there's way too much going on and it went on eternal hiatus before any kind of climax happened. Viv has improved hugely.There's this Alastor looking guy who isn't Alastor. I assume Alastor was already a thing at the time but probably only appeared in deviantart posts and didn't show up in the comic yet. Guess deer twink is a species.
>>153843353>A preacher presents God and demons>The demon ACKS from his presence
I want a Lilith sex scene.
Zoophobia feels like it should be an ancient thing but no it actually started after Homestuck already peaked and was in decline. That's fucking crazy
>>153845121>>153841057Here
>Gooseworx did music for the Bad Luck Jack Zoophobia shortHellaverse and TADC are the modern day Homestuck and Undertale, truly
>>153845375An accurate statement
>>153845375Maybe TADC.
>>153845375The world building in homestuck is too good for hellaverse
>>153845375The premises are swapped though so Undertale is about the eternal war between the people above and the people below and Homestuck is Wacky Things To Do On The Computer
Idc what anyone says I like this show
>>153837029she's liked a few arts about them recently so i wonder if she reads this thread. vivzie if you're reading this could you make some kind of shorts type video discussing various character design elements and the choices behind them (eg the speaker's tail made of pages, velvette's BJD theming, the eyes of hell vs the card diamonds of heaven, does adam's outfit have so much lavender to calm him down, 'cool' vs 'warm' palettes etc)?i think it'd be very interesting and a neat low/zero budget way to tide hotel fans over until the series releases since it'd just be a series of jpegs and narration. thank u.
>>153837029She likes a lot of serapherd fanarts on bsky. Abel blushes when Emily complimented him and the Valentine's day merch suggests he likes her. It may not be a significant ship but it's there, in and out of canon.
>>153846029Shit is still shit.
>>153847082I bet it’s a doomed romance.
>>153847891What’s bad about it?
>>153846660Only dinosaurs and Minecraft interest me. I must not be autistic enough.
>>153847940It gaped his ass too hard.
>>153846381He could ruin a nun in a second.
I think Viv sees Abel and Lute mother / son,
>>153843721Fun style odd character design.
>>153843721>There's this Alastor looking guy who isn't Alastor. I assume Alastor was already a thing at the time but probably only appeared in deviantart posts and didn't show up in the comic yet.YesAlastor was originally meant to be that guy's cousin who is mischievous Also yes the comic sucks because viv didn't know what she wanted with it
>Lucifer takes in Lilith.>He realizes it could have consequences and decides to try to make a Lilith clone cause he was a powerful seraphim too>He ended up creating Lute and Adam and the other angels weren’t fooled at all by it. And Lucifer notes to himself that cresting a human is impossible and shouldn’t be done again.>Sera and the angels kick Lute out and left her to die.
>>153850424Wtf?
>>153814354>they’d just make him like a tall blue color coded Lucifer and say they are brothers.I like the idea of the high tier angels are siblingsMeans Emily would Charlie's auntie
Emily is so fucking cute!!!
>>153850825And she's got a fat ass
>>153850500There is a myth about a woman that was created for Adam and was rejected by him because she was extremely odd, then she was booted out of the garden to die.
>>153850899Oh wow...
>>153850825She's the superior Charlie to Sera's superior Vaggie
>>153850873Hot!!
>>153851179This means Seraphcest is the superior Chaggie.
>>153851266I guess? Their (Emily and Sera's) relationship is far more believable and understandable than Charlie and Vaggie's though. Like why does Charlie care about Vaggie? We know why Vaggie care about Charlie, but not the opposite.
>>153851266>>153853499Chaggie is pure slop.
>>153850424>>153850899Not sure if it's going to be that but Lute seems like a big deal either way. They are building her up as having a mysterious origin.
>>153854213She's Eve. Her VA literally requoted a tweet with the theory. She's also said cryptic shit about Lute since 2024. But people are too dense and deny it or say she was referring to the 'parallels'.
>>153847082>>153854528If Lute is Eve will the good people of xitter cancel Lute x Emily because it's crypto-incest on grounds that her son likes her?
>>153854647No? If she's Eve, why should that stop anyone from shipping her with Emily or Vaggie? Adam gets to fuck anyone he wants. Why wouldn't she be able to.
>>153854678Vaggie is unaffected but by twitter logic Emily would be off limits because if she's got something with her son then that is incest. See: witchhunting against Abel x Lute (by people who don't think she's Eve) because they think it counts as incest.
If the ending to Hazbin Hotel is happy for Lute it will be good if it's sad it will be bad. Simple as
>>153854695Ok
>>153854771We know she'll be in season 5. Jessica Vosk confirmed that recently. So she might? Or she just may end up dying. Who knows.
>>153854777I have faith in vivian popper they won't kill her
>>153854789Who cares. It's fine if she dies or lives. Either way, it'll be great.
>>153854800Except if they kill her which wouldn't be great, but it's ok because I know they're not going to do that
>>153854528Don’t be surprised when you’re wrong when Lute’s whole thing is looking wrong and her race is literally less than human, the winners.
>>153854885Firstly this would indeed make her a prototype Eve and secondly if you think this show of all shows would not treat the bloodied woman with deep sympathy and portray those who rejected her as wrong then you are huffing glue.
Damian from Zoophobia kind of mogs Charlie
>>153854920Lilith and Eve both had sympathetic origins and they turned out to be evil in the end that neither of them ended up in heaven. Lute’s whole thing is being bloody and lacking a name until Adam given one to her. Sera is tossing her life, Adam’s life, and Abel’s life to the door like they’re resources to use up and replace while shaking hands with her own cunt with Lilith, Lucifer, and Charlie for “peace”.
>>153855035Is this from the secret episode only on amazon ultra prime?
>>153855049No. Season 1 Episode 1’s opening scene. It features Lilith and Eve.Lute always had blood on her till a small segment of her in S1E6 before putting the mask on. And Adam was implied to be the one naming the Exorcists in that episode.S2E2 has Sera cater up to Charlie and Lilith while not caring about at all of Adam, Lute, and Abel. Lute gets threatened to being banned for telling the Queen of Hell to fuck off from heaven after her husband and daughter attacked and killed exorcists.
>>153855035>>153855049>>153855101Let's just wait for S3 and see how things progress from there.
>>153855317It’s going to take two years.
>>153855385We should all get interested in something else while we wait then. Like cooking or soap operas.
>>153855385So about this time next year if the same cadence holds (around 20 months between seasons)?
>>153841355Then she’s a coward. Also Lilith and her daughters raped Cain too.
>>153856348Good
>>153854207Stay mad.
>>153854837I like this image.
>>153856348Didn't know about the Caine rape.
>>153856348charlain endgame?
>>153798894Lucifer is my wife, actually.
>>153856968Not mad just pointing out the obvious. If you change Vaggie into a guy most people would realise how slop the relationship is. The only real change would be that most would defend the way Charlie acts towards Vaggie.
>>153857259First time I'd rather be stuck with the male version.
>>153856348>"I beg your pardon!?"
>>153857251Bruh people would unironically kill themselves if Charlie ended up with an Adam lookalike.
>>153857294lol only vizi would
>>153857282Not that Cain. Pretty sure this one is spelled with K.
>>153857282Bro doesn't need facial hair. What a chad jaw.
>>153857278Fag lmao
>>153857294I find that hard to believe, since while Charlie is liked well-enough (despite her idiocy), she's more of an [female] audience vector through which to 'examine' romances with other characters within fan fiction. Point being, people aren't that invested in her as a character.
>>153857346I wonder if people would treat Lucifer differently if he was a chick. It would also make Charlie's origin even more confusing.
>>153857346Close enough.
>>153857294most funny option is that cain has transitioned into a woman so they can't cry about representation. i also genuinely think a real chaggi break-up arc would be good for vaggi because who the fuck is she without charlie to orbit around and i also think the show is gearing up to ask that question. she's never actually dealt with her trauma because she's just redirected all her exorcist focus from adam to charlie, and her recognising that she'd end up like lute if charlie died should terrify her.
>>153857361True but I'm pretty sure that the super obsessed Chaggy fans/ Yuri fans would have a meltdown. I'll admit depending on how Cain acts a lot of people might enjoy the ship since it might fit a certain niche.
>>153857365Fuck it she's made of clay like that old mythology story from the lesbo island. Who tf cares.
>>153857209Me on the left you on the right Vivziepop in the middle.
>>153857406I think Vaggie ( not using the new name cuz why bother) is a victim of her rewrite from a sinner into an exorcist.
>>153857412Never heard of that. What's the story?
>>153857365it kind of fucks up adam's arc though because without lucifer as a man to ruin his life, he loses his inadequacy fears towards other men, unironically becoming the chad unbothered alpha every self-proclaimed chad alpha type is larping as. he'd be significantly more chill as a character but also more dangerous.
>>153857406Wouldn't even need a break up. Just get the bitches separated for a season so they have to think on their own. Fuggin Velcro.
>>153857445In Wonder Woman's original comic origin, she was sculpted from clay by Queen Hippolyta and brought to life by the Greek gods. old shit
>>153857474Huh. Cool I guess.
>>153857432oh absolutely. the easy conflict for sinner vaggie was 'do i want to 'redeem' myself if it means leaving charlie behind or stagnate so i can stay?' and 'is my love for her more important than my love for me and what she wants for me?', not to mention charlie's pov. still kind of shallow but leaves room for fun stuff like self-sabotage and her response to redemption being real and possible being fear and not excitement.
>>153857547All that red and white makes me think of that tanuki and fox couple. Man that show ended shitty.
>>153854207t. Lute
>>153854885No, that's not really her thing.
Can somebody post other characters please? I'm tired of seeing Lucifer's fraudulent ass.
>>153858838
>>153858858Thank you
>>153857365I would treat her as a succibus and punch my own penis to prevent myself from getting lured by her.
You know, it is kinda weird how Zestial and Abel both wear long hats with feathers attached to them. They must be connected because Lucifer, Alastor, Vox, Charlie, Angel Dust, and Sir Pentious all wear suits and bowties.
>>153859154Sigh. No. Zestial having a feather in his hat does not mean he is mirroring Abel nor does it mean he is Cain.
>>153859154I can spot you a mile away. Don't even try that shit. You still don't have any evidence whatsoever. When you were asked last time, you just pulled shit out of your ass. Unless you have a leak or commentary from the voice actors, no: Zestial is not Cain.
How big is Lilith?
>>153859411Same height as Adam. We see that in the opening.
>>153859411>>153859446They are supposed to be taller than regular humans? They seem pretty big compared to the average joe.
Lilith is sexy.
>>153856348Lilith is also said to murder babies in their cribs, and rape children.
>>153859937>>153859965The duality of man
>>153859937True I won't lie. I'm expecting Eve to also be a blonde. It's seems the marvel rivals curse has spread.
>>153857251Charlie would genuinely kill herself if she knew her mother was a rapist, and that Adam was her victim.
>>153859965>it’s realThis is who Viv wants people to sympathize with?
>>153860013I can imagine her thinking it's the other way around and shaming the already dead guy only to find out the truth. She would absolutely lose it. Probably not gonna happen unless Viv makes Lilith a Stella 2.0
>>153860067Remember, Lute bad for wanting to ban Lilith from Heaven.
>>153860013i don't know the circumstances of that particular myth but adam being in total denial that he was assaulted by a woman feels in-character for him which would probably make her feel even worse. i cannot get a bead on lucifer though - either he'd happily be reinforcing adam's denial and more focused on being heartbroken at being 'cheated' on, maybe even blame adam for 'seducing' her, OR he'd be even more horrified.
>>153860067Feminists see baby killing and rape as empowering now.
>>153859355>>153859406> They must be connected because Lucifer, Alastor, Vox, Charlie, Angel Dust, and Sir Pentious all wear suits and bowties.
>>153860013Adam’s actions and personality make more sense if you view them through the lens of him being a rape victim.
>>153860067Lilith was originally just a type of monster/demon in the ancient mythology in the middle Eastern zone. Then she got picked up and turned into a succubus creature meant to explain miscarriages, wet dreams and sleep paralysis demons. The bible just mentions her as a random demon. The version were she is portrayed as Adam's first wife is relatively new by the original works standard. Most recently she has been adopted as a symbol of feminism and woman autonomy which is weird considering much of her myths and stories paint her as rapist, pedophile, zoophile, cannibal and child murderer.
>>153860124For context, after fleeing the Garden of Eden, Lilith gave birth of hordes of Demons. She later returned to rape him, and gave birth to more Demons, known as the Lilim.
>>153860192Funny enough you are right. Dude literally covers himself not leaving an inch of his skin exposed including wearing a mask. His macho attitude is his coping mechanism with the vulnerability brought on by his assault and his need to be on top and not submissive to a woman could be brought on by his trauma.
>>153860285In some versions she is helped by a female demon named Naamah. They pretty much gang rape Adam.
Okay. We now have rape theories.
>Adam
>>153860393We need that one Invincible panel but Adam is Mark and Lilith is Annisa. The one where she is floating and he's looking back.
>>153860415
>>153860393Lucifer used this Trap Card against Adam, killing him instantly.
>>153860323It was all there, and would’ve been great if they played into that, but Viv is unfortunately allergic to interesting narratives.
>>153860192>>153860323this also explains his avoidance of men generally due to 'knowing' they'd mock him for having any emotions about it beyond 'nice', as well as his fawning/deference to sera as a physically imposing woman. it would also explain sera treating him with relatively soft gloves, as she remembers the direct aftermath of the assault and would give adam far more leeway than she perhaps should.
>>153860213Modern Feminism is genuinely evil.
>>153860192No matpat. Leave
>>153860370People who generally believe that Viv will go with that version of the Lilith myth or retarded.
>>153861315I fucking hate typos. I meant 'genuinely' and 'are'
>>153861280GameTheory lurks here
>>153861315We obviously know she is not going for that version. We are just pointing out how weird it is to pick such a controversial mythological figure to be your OC's mom. It's kinda how when you see a modern work with Zeus nowadays. You still know all the fucked up shit he did even if in that modern story he is portrayed as a goofy loving dad. HH Adam having a lot of traits in common with a male sexual abuse victims is probably a coincidence because we know Viv is not that good of a writer.
>>153861474Nobody has a problem with Lilith in Digimon so I don't see why it should be an issue they use her here. Hazbin isn't even aimed at kids like Digimon is.
>>153861428Release the schizo
>>153861474That's just one of the interpretations of the Lilith myth. She doesn't have a set canon. She was ultimately inserted into the Genesis mythos as a satire commentary on the Bible. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the rabbis had a similar approach for that unnamed bride/first Eve, the one that Adam rejected. They purposefully painted a women as disgusting creatures. Lilith was a product of that mentality. The whole raping children and eating babies is relatively new if I'm not mistaken, but it's not the only version of the myth.
>>153861687> Also, if I'm not mistaken, the rabbis had a similar approach for that unnamed bride/first Eve, the one that Adam rejected.That is a screwed up origin story for what could be Lute.
>>153798894Shit character who deserves to die.
>>153861836I don't disagree. I think the first Eve prototype possibility fits her very well. But that would imply that Viv, does proper research on this sort of thing. A former employee stated that Viv legit did not know St. Peter was a real life historical figure. That's why we have fuck all with him in the show. If she didn't know that bit of information, which is pretty common knowledge.. I doubt she'll look into the obscure midrash traditions and texts.
>>153862023Made for hugging.
>>153861920The whole leaks talk about how Eve is supposed to be nearly identical to Lilith. Maybe Lute would be a faulty copy of Lilith that existed before Eve.
>>153861315Says the retard who can’t spell.
>>153861557Nobody gives a shit about Digimon.
Lute and Lucifer are parallels and so are Adam and Lilith, Lute being Eve is retarded and the one bitch who keeps talking about it is a mouth-breathing sperg.
>>153862341Does this mean Lucifer is a cuckold?
>>153862275Be nice to him. We have manners here.
>>153862341I resent that.
>>153862382Pls explain
>>153862205The leaks about Eve also line up with what Lute is currently doing. Her VA also interacted with the theory.
>>153862341That sounds retarded. So Adam and some random bitch that we assume wasn't made that long ago. Are the parallel to Lucifer and Lilith instead of just.... Adam and Eve? Why add an extra bitch to the entire thing? Lute is Eve.
>>153862400And Amir interacts with every retarded fan who gives him attention to the point that Vivzie had to make a statement about Charlastor.
>>153862421>>153862433Guys chill
>>153862433Amir? You're using him as an example? He's a known troll. Everybody fucking knows that. Jessica Vosk doesn't do that. Almost none of the voice actors do that. You're stupid to bring that up as an example. And even going by that example, nothing of what Jessica has said has warranted commentary from Viv.
>>153862421Narratively? Yes. Lucifer and Lute are angels who fell in love with the first humans going outside of their purpose. Both are clearly madly in love, but show it in different ways. With Lucifer being depressed about Lilith's disappearance, while Lute is seething about Adam being gone. How the fuck does Eve bring anything to this comparison? Just because you see "Adam and Eve" doesn't mean that's the narrative mirror to Lucifer and Lilith, considering Eve isn't even a presence in the show yet. Read a book, fuck.
>>153862514My point is, you can't take a single thing the voice actors do when interacting with fans as a real sign of anything happening in the show. Brightman flip flops on Adam's characterization, for example. Unless we see it in the show, or Vivzie has something to say about it, it's just fan teasing and doesn't matter.
>>153862537Random Able
>>153862570Again, Alex is not a good example. I'm glad you brought that up because he started off not liking Lute/Adam then gradually changed. Jessica has been saying cryptic weird shit about Lute since before the series started airing.
Honestly when it comes to Eve's secret identity I think it's either gonna be Roo or Lute. The whole Eve is Lilith is just borderline goofy and if they didn't scrap that plotline already (especially after the leak) I don't know what they have functioning brains. It would also help reduce the cast bloat and not have the story be cluttered by several psychotic women.
>>153862537He will make everyone mad
>>153862570To be fair Vivzie herself has said a load of cryptic shit about Lute too and how she's setting Lute up for a big payoff and it's pretty well known that she likes Adam x Lute.
>>153862770He made his brother pretty angry
>>153862570No, no, you’re right. On their own, VA interactions/likes/commentary should never be treated as hard evidence of canon. But when those comments start consistently overlapping with creator commentary, thematic setup in the actual show, repeated hints about the character, interviews, symbolism, etc. then I do think it means something. To pretend it doesn't is dumb. One or two comments? Sure. Several comments? In the span of two years? Mm.
>>153862740It's actually not Roo. This wasn't even in the old leaks. It was said that Roo is the big bad and is revealed after Eve's defeat. A former employee confirmed that Eve is not Roo. Roo has never been Eve. Roo is that Evil deity we see in Charlie's storybook.
Whoever Lute turns out to be she's still my fav and she deserves lots of kisses from Adam.
Adam is so big and soft.
>>153862778>To be fair Vivzie herself has said a load of cryptic shit about Lute too.In the S1 commentary, Skye Viv and Sam literally said Lute is 'feminine rage'. That's some Eve coded shit.
>>153862824Maybe they reworked her. NGL the story from the leaks sounds pretty ass so maybe that changed some stuff.
>>153862889What exactly is ,,feminine rage,, supposed to be?
>>153862896Making Roo Eve would be the most backward ass plot to shoehorn in. Reducing the embodiment of evil to the youngest Eden human? Nah. I'll take Evil goddess. Roo was (or in) the tree, in the apple. We're visually shown that.
>>153862852>>153862880Adam breeds Lute's homophobic pussy every night.
>>153862918https://www.hercampus.com/school/sjsu/what-is-feminine-rage/'Feminine rage has been explained as an ancestral and inherited response to the struggles, oppressions, and wrongdoings that women have been subjected to.'I didn't even know it was a thing. I thought they were just calling Lute that. Until I looked it up. Its a thing.
>>153862733>This guy is not a good example>This guy isn't eitherAt this point, you could list all the fucking voice actors. Stop moving the goalpost. The reason why Brightman changed is due to fan reception, if you follow how he views Adam, it's clear he didn't realize Adam is capable of love and just plays him as a raging narcissist. Lute is originally a minor character who obviously is going to play an important antagonist role moving forward. >>153862740If there's anything more retarded than Lute being Eve, it's Lilith being Eve. Eve being Roo is the only one that holds weight, because they're both characters that we know basically nothing about.>>153862778None of what you said points to Eve. Lute being an antagonist is standard and so is Guitarspear (which also becomes more impactful and better if Lute isn't Eve).>>153862797What themes? What symbolism? What "hints"? Don't be vague about it. I can point you to one, the Lute and Lucifer parallel. The idea that Lute, not made to be a lover for Adam, ends up genuinely falling in love with him and becomes the best option for him. These are narratively interesting ideas. How is Lute being Eve interesting? She lost her memories, chained to Adam and then also acted like an absolute cunt to her son (who then calls her a bitch)? Like what's the idea here? How does this make any fucking sense? Eve being an antagonist and wanting to get revenge on Lucifer and Lilith for fucking up her life makes sense, but this is in opposition to Lute's goals, which are in service to Adam and protecting Heaven.
>>153862964You're being purposefully obtuse. Read through all of Jessica's interviews, all the commentary from Viv / Sam regarding Lute specifically. She's Eve.
>>153863007No she isn't.
>>153862958I just had a brain aneurysm from reading that article. Thank you for the link either way.
>>153863057Same desu. But yeah, apparently it's very much a thing.
>>153862973Happy Goober
>>153863048Yep. She is. Being closed off to the idea doesn't erase everything that has been said or that Jessica requoted the very theory with a devil emoji. Among all the other shit that has been shown / said. People really be thinking Lute is a rando bitch thirsty for Adam's cock, or is as any other soldier like Vaggie.
>>153863007>Addresses none of my points>Has no argumentNo, retard, just because they say "she has a bigger role than you think" doesn't mean she's secretly another character, especially when in the first season she's literally a side character that's kind of irrelevant for the most part.>>153863119Why the fuck would they tease something that would be a massive plot twist? Especially when there's nothing in the show that even points to it. Lute is not a random angel, she is Adam's right-hand woman and is an OC much like how Charlie is the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith and also an OC. It's unironically disrespectful to Lute's character to claim that she doesn't matter unless she's Eve, and it's kind of fucking pathetic because it feels like you don't understand how stories work.
>>153862958Understandable
>>153863222Yes. You calling me retard and being so open to the idea of Lute being Eve definitely makes me want to hand over all the shit I've found.You moron, she teased it and then fucking deleted it. That's my fucking point.Keep telling yourself that. She's Eve.
>>153863222'disrespectful to Lute's character'It's a drawing bro. Let me guess, you seethe at fanart of any ship art of Vaggie with men.
I want to add Jessica Vosk has spoiled shit before and never takes it down. She literally spoiled someone's theory about Vaggie and Lute fighting / Vaggie sparing Lute. This was before S1 finale aired. She commented on that. Didn't delete it. She's always done shit like that. Her deleting a spoiler screams NDA
>>153862537i hope he's the subtle emo toxic softboi to adam's overt toxic rockstar asshole.
Sans is Ness
>>153863350Don’t worry. He aims to be top tier on the sexism scale. He caters to a woman’s feelings just to get what he wants from her. A job to kill people.
>>153862880i want to pound his jiggly ass until he cries from an earth-shattering prostate only orgasm and then cuddle with him so bad.
>>153863222lol simping for a cartoon character!
>>153862973Rapable
Who is Rosie?
>>153863616Dick tease I assume.
>>153863276I'm genuinely baffled at how you exist as a person. What do you mean "you don't want to hand over the shit you've found"? Like seriously, these are public interviews that are out there, they're not your personal belongings. What do you think is gonna happen if you do? That I have some magic power to make them go away? Please, stop dodging my fucking points (like you did with all the thematic stuff I brought up that you just decided to side-step) and make some sense. Explain yourself, you're not doing your arguments any favor by being coy, you just come off as an idiot. And again, teasing and deleting might as well be spoiling it. Is there any other example of this ever happening with something that actually turned out to be true? Fan-baiting is fan-baiting, sit your ass down and be patient for the show to come out. I don't understand why you're so committed to something that doesn't even matter to the narrative currently.>>153863296This is the most disingenuous understanding of my post I've ever seen. I don't give a shit if people ship Vaggie with men (hell, it's based, because she's a shit character and it's funny), but it would obviously be a dumb headcanon that's kind of fun to entertain but would obviously never actually happen in the show. If you headcanon that Lute is Eve, fine, but until something in the show happens (and there's not anything outside of like a single crumb when it comes to Eve in general) a headcanon is all it is. It's on the same level as Eve is Lilith, and so treating it as fact when nothing has happened yet is retarded. That's what I mean by "disrespectful", you obviously can't hurt a fictional character's feelings, but wiping your ass with a story you're trying to engage with is fucking stupid.>>153863346Yeah, I'm gonna need a source for that, because this sounds like you've taken something out of context.
>>153863616According to the old leaks, she's Lilith. All that shit dates back to 2021 and prior, apparently. idk how true they are anymore since everyone's been pointing to the Lilith in Heaven being the real Lilith, including Viv herself. Viv is godawful liar. She would have let something slip about her being Eve by this point. I just think she's Lilith now. Some think Rosie Eve or Roo or just.. nobody, just Rosie. We won't know till next season.
Why did Rosie want Alastor at the hotel?
>>153863745>Why would a demon bitch want the Anti-Christ in her pocket?
