The fact that they're all algorithm slop for retarded children

It will never match anime in telling actual unique and interesting stories

>>153824520
Dude you're being angry to be angry, yeah the ending kind of sucked so did the boys, I just think that people don't know how to make a good ending anymore. Did you have fun with the show yeah just really disappointing ending everyone thought it was either going to have a dark ending or very light-hearted ending but what we got was a very bland okay mediocre landing. There's no point in being angry and saying that all animations are dead because of it. Now you're just being bitter buttholes with a twins of jealousy because you can't apparently make anything. It's kind of our fault for expecting something from a mentally ill tranny that cut their dick off

>>153824582
What

>>153824556
Anime has a different problem. Anime can take multiple years of your life being invested and then........the finale is so bad it ruins the entire fucking franchise. Looking at you Attack on Titan, Vinland Saga, Detective Conan (well this one hasn't ended but that's the FUCKING problem forty year old series that refuses to die), One Piece, etc. And even shorter series can be totally badly written trash like Trigun and its annoying story about hippie pacifism.

Anime has plenty of awful trash. And that's not even mentioning garbage like High School themed anime or worse isekai. Again anime has lots of trash. And this isn't a way to excuse western animation turning into garbage.

>>153824464
That it’s curated to women and children with California politics who care more about aesthetic than an actual story.

>>153824624
We emotionally invested ourselves in a story created by a mentally ill transgender his entire life experience is how he hates his dick. And people are mean on social media that's about it. We were just a bunch of idiots for getting this attached to a series, at the end of the day only thing transgender people think about is that their junk is wrong

>>153824646
I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Did some show end that I'm supposed to know about? You're treating this like it's something I should clearly understand but you're not giving a name so I'm lost.

>>153824582
>>153824646
so were did you copypaste this from

>>153824799
Oh, I never bothered to watch that and avoid the threads that talk about it because I never watched it. I wish people would provide context with their posts more. I guess the ending was pretty bad then if it's being treated as something I should just be presumed to have known lmao.

>>153824464
Wokeness
Being expected to be a social butterfly while I prefer to work on my projects in solitude

>>153824464
The complete aversion to strong human male protags, and lack of anything catered to normal guys
>muh sex appeal
take the cat tats and occasional swears away from gameoverse and it’s indistinguishable from a kid’s show

How far up their own ass the creators are & how painfully unfunny it is. Watching TADC feels like slowly plucking out hairs. Not terribly painful just uncomfortable

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>>153824464
A lot of online indie animation creators try so hard to make their work feel like profound art with deep themes and heavy messages, but sometimes they forget to actually entertain the viewer along the way.
I don’t mind when a show carries a meaningful message (that can be powerful) but it shouldn’t come at the expense of good storytelling, engaging characters, and fun. I’d love to see more creators relax on trying to be “deep” and instead focus on writing stories that captivate and entertain first, letting any message flow naturally from the narrative rather than forcing it.

>>153824464
Author's dissociation with reality and not knowing what makes smth relatable

The only good indie cartoons are the ones that don’t have a “point” to them and are just meant to be enjoyable. The worst thing about most popular indie series’ is that they all go for a 15-25 year old audience of people who think that a character crying means a show is important. Every Glitch show so far has been for terminally online teenage-brained people. I’m not saying “the shows need to be for adults”, I’m saying the overall attitudes and themes and humor of these shows all seem to appeal to teenagers and college kids and frankly I just hate those sorts of “vibes”

>>153824464
the unconscious schedule and that the episodes have different durations

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>>153824464
Are there really zero indie creators that want to make an actual action show with an overarching plotline?

>>153824991
From right to left, manga good anime ended early not very well, why won't it die autism made that series so bad fox makes no sense please end it and now they have kids so it's going to continue forever. Good but not as good as people pretend, one of the worst manga endings ever

The entire medium ran out of original gags so now it's just panic attacks and lore. Forever.

>>153824991
Don't include YYH with that fucking trash, thanks.

>>153824464
I like Wastelandia's art style, but the creator is a retard who should stick solely to making video essays sloppa.

>>153824464
-The fact that most of them are made by furries for furries.
-The strange desire to insert anime themes, especially including a Sailor Moon/anime girl outfit transformation scene at some point.
-The whole making the main characters mundane convenience store/gas station/retail store workers.
-Oh and the fact that the indie audience militantly supports every indie short/pilot/cartoon regardless how bad it is because they are fueled by spite.

>>153824464
Lack of finance from established productions. Why the fuck western animation has to be just capeshit or family friendly movies. Those americans do well, but damn can't we have anything else?
Anime mogs us so bad even if we have all the potential ready to do some great stuff.

What do I hate about current indie animation? It's only realtionship/self discovery drama slop. Read a fucking book and write a story that's based on philosophy instead of your personal therapy session. Or if you do that, then lock on it.

>Girlfailure the character
>Actually from middle class family with ok parents

>>153824628
>Anime can take multiple years of your life being invested and then........the finale is so bad it ruins the entire fucking franchise.
Bro, that's literally everything nowadays.
EVERYTHING has a dogshit ending now, especially anything that goes on for too long.

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>>153824464
They're only made just for the sole purpose of just being made, and that's it. It's the problem I have with the particular cartoon in your pic. The main characters don't feel fleshed out, they're all recounting on how shitty and miserable their day is. The cat girl gets called "cringe" by three zoomers and she (or it) has some identity crisis, and that's it. And some stupid shit about being a chronically online reddit zoomer making fake larp posts on reddit for karma like a reddit-gold obsessed loser which is the cat's coping mechanism I guess??? It's retarded. The dog girl is apparently a neet or something, and she's depresseo expresso because she's overshadowed by her sibling's success so she wastes her life playing vidya on a laptop or something IDK, it's a boring character.
The rabbit character failed art class or something. Look, there's clearly no thought that went into this, it was made because indie is currently booming again on YouTube. The characters almost feels indistinguishable from one another on how they are written, the only difference are their species. Nothing about it feels "wastelandish", unless that's just a state of mind for these three.

>tl;dr: lotta indie cartoons have a writing problem, and shitty dialogue

>Style over substance
>Industry plants
>Millennial writing
>Qualityslop
>Goonbait
Anything else?

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>>153824991
Even from a pure capitalist standpoint I’m genuinely surprised nobody seems to try their hand at the action and transformation gravytrain, shit prints infinite money

>>153824464
The people who discuss Indie animation

>>153824628
>Anime can take multiple years of your life being invested and then........the finale is so bad it ruins the entire fucking franchise.
That's why I almost exclusively watch 1 or 2 cour shows, OVAs, and movies. Which actually make up the bulk of anime but for some reason people in the West think most anime are these ultra long-running series. They're not, the vast majority of anime lasts 1 season, maybe 2, and ends.

Indie cartoons tend to suck because the general internet discourse helps the creators build a consensus for the content of the show. By the time the pilot drops, you've already seen several iterations of the concepts over the past several years. You've already seen dozens of quirky emo furry artworks, you've already seen Squid Game, you've already seen Puss in Boots 2, you've already seen the fucking Carameldansen music video, it's all dead on arrival. A cartoon with an fresh concept cannot survive in the internet age, indie or not.

>>153825375
prob why the audience is mostly children who havent seen other stuff yet and when they do they won't look back at the indie slop so well

>>153824464
The lack of budget and manpower means that the kinds of series that would of been done better in the era of 26 episode seasons which gave them time to breathe and develop naturally, instead need to heavily rely on the Fandom and Theorycrafters doing the heavy lifting in terms of making people give a shit about the characters and content.

>Indie shows
>Anime
Just give up. Ya ain't gonna be like Homestar Runner. Take the comic/manga pill and return to webcomics era, you'll be happier that way.

>>153825414
people forgot what indie truly means in animation back in the 2010s it was small time studios making Kickstarter shows like bee and puppysat , now its just of bunch of artists on discord winging it

>>153824991
Monty Oum wanted to. Didn't really pan out the way he wanted to after his death, but I respect his desire to want to animate cool fight scenes. I do legitamately wonder why there arnt many indie creators that want to do action though. Especially with how prevelent and influential anime has been. Theres definately a market for it. Maybe they just gravitate towards other genres?

>>153824464
Not much animator320 cartoonmania animatedjames fetish tier bait and horsefolder based takes

>>153825451
Unironically this. Been having fun with Emmy the Robot, haven't had this feeling of pure immersion since like, what, 2014? I can't wait til this gets ran through an AI movie generator.

>>153824991
There's not much market for it nowadays, the time to market an action cartoon was like the mid 2010s, circa 2014/2015, when anime was in a popularity slump and Naruto was winding down and the new gen stuff either wasn't out or wasn't popular yet.
The people who want action are already served by anime, where there's like 1-2 dozen well-animated action shows every year. Pretty much the only audiences left for cartoons are the comedy sitcom American humor shows and the autistic womanchild/terminally online gays who want a "comfort" show, and the latter has already claimed 95% of the indie market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92z_69-TzM
This guy explains it

>>153825267
>Style over substance
>Qualityslop
>Goonbait
These are good things tho.

What is indie anymore
youll niggas forgot what it means

>>153824464
What are some good indie shows that make good use of their limited budget?

>>153824582
Look at that post activated the shills.

>>153826048
budget. It's always budget.
Cost per episode:

$10k = indie
$100k = A
$1M = AA
$10M = AAA
$100M = AAAA

>>153826119
The fuck? 10K is nothing. That was nothing budget wise 30 years ago, much less now.

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>>153824991
wasn't that RWBY? (when it was still indie in the earlier seasons)

there's also that dinosaur pilot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf_-jIiyyD0

>>153826140
Anon, ATHF cost $60k per episode.
If your "indie" show costs more than $90k per episode, it's not indie.

>>153825633
No, slopper

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>>153826048
>What is indie anymore
it means hoping for a big studio to notice you and turn your idea into a show- oh wait…

>>153826048
the days of amateurs making cartoons in their garage on the side while working a job are long gone.
now we have "professional indies".

>>153826048
In proper industry terms its
>Not part of or reliant on the megacorps
In online folk terms its
>Starving artists making things on their own.

>>153826348
When did that ever happen?

>>153826376
He is likely thinking of teenagers making shit in flash for Newgrounds as a legit classification.

>>153826193
That was in 2000. According to the US inflation calculator that would run you $116,034.84 today.

>>153826417
That was in 2007, which would be a little over $90k today.

>>153826417
Not to mention they were just reusing animation and backgrounds using only Photoshop and After effects. Still costed that much.

>>153824464
>How desperately it rides the coat tails of anime despite never being able to be anime
>The constant push to appeal to trannies
>The cancerous fandoms that form like tumors over night until every platform for animation discussion is clogged with glitch spam
>The often hideous designs
>The therapyspeak plots and dialog that move at glacial paces at the best of times
>The idea that the final product should somehow be immune from criticism "BECAUSE IT'S INDIE"
>The overwhelming focus on female protagonists and subsequent histronics that follow if you point out as much
>The fact that the only one of these shows that's seen any real success has to rely on kid appeal designs because today's parents cant be fucked do their jobs, thus exposing children to another decade of elsagate level "content"
>How fake and astroturfed all the successes have been ontop of acting as another platform for the worst of the worst in the American animation industry to shovel more shit from
>The fact that the aforementioned worst of the worst now insist on shilling merch after a decade of decrying 1980's toy cartoons for doing the same thing
And those are just the points I can name off the top of my head.

what software do amateurs use to make indie cartoons nowadays? before it was pirated copies of flash, what do they use now?

>>153824635
That's a brilliant way to put things too. There are some male skewed efforts, but /co/ just never discusses them. They're just that few and far between. I'd say the earliest successes were the most entertaining aswell. Gundarr, Dick Figures, Deep Space 69, etc.

>>153826373
Most accurate description I have seen in /co/

>>153824464
The hypocrisy

>>153825479
good action means lots of animation and choreography. it's expensive and time consuming.

>>153826140
You can make a cartoon on a laptop picked up from an e-waste center and free programs.
Thats 100 bucks there.
Are you talking about living as an animator off of 10k or working while being an animator part time and using the budget wisely on needed assets?

>>153826750
We are basically talking about different things.

What you are pointing out is all but amateur/passion project.

Of course anybody can make a newsground level flash animation for less than 100 bucks.I wouldn't call that indie.

I have seen amazing indie movies created on a shoehorn budget by a lonesome animator (Voices of a Distant Star and still hit around 20Ks over twenty years ago.

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Fandom

>>153824464
Like the more creative art styles and concepts

Dislike when they are trying to animate their own lives as therapy

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>>153824464

I’m just gonna post this from a different (TADC) thread, because it’s very very relevant.

>>153824464
Too much pandering to feminism

>>153826506
clip studio ex or toonboom

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At least they all gave up on rigtoons lately because of picrel

>>153824464
Nice lust provoking image.

>>153824464
it’s audience which is practically just a bunch of white cucks desperate to have their own culture

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>>153824991
I have one I’m working on. It’s gonna be little while tho

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>>153824464
I hate that so many of them want to have these deep narrative-driven stories that are dialogue heavy, but don't understand the fundamentals of screenwriting, so lots of the scripts come across as fan fiction quality where they're all rushing to have that "big monologue scene" for characters we don't give a shit about.

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>>153825543
>There's not much market for it nowadays
real?

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>>153827482
It’s pretty retarded right? Like you’re going for something transcendent and deep yet you don’t even know how to write? What did they think was going to happen?

Actual good indie animation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ghGQmDm1A

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>WAHHHHHHHHH THE 43,200 DRAWINGS IN RAPID SUCCESSION DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNNY GAGS OR IMMERSE ENOUGH LORE
>I WANT A REFUND OF THE $0 I PAID TO WATCH THIS ON YOUTUBE WITH ADBLOCKER

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>>153824464
"Indie animation" can be whatever you want, its not bound by a genre artstyle or anything.

Indie animation is not a "genre". This makes no sense, and just pushes people towards NOT becoming Indie animation, including those that would do stuff that you like.

>>153824991
Honestly, action shows are the most expensive, and its a hard sell for an indie as it will be competing with anime and videogames. Even more a long animated serie, most indies can barely reach the double digits in episodes. There just isn't money and time for that.

Non indie stuff has enough resources to get an entire season made in a single go, indies do ONE episode every 6 months.

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>>153827064
>Pander to mentally ill clowns
>Get mentally ill clown audience

>>153827844
Yeah it’s be a better question to ask which artists you like/dislike

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>>153824991
Let's make one ourselves, we brainstorm the scope, call in some anons that know how to animate and use AI for in-betweening. fuck it... what do you think? We could make the next successful pilot, coming straight from this think tank, lol

That it's not indie
Call me when we have kids animating Mario stabbing Sonic to death with their cousin on a fishtank doing the voice acting in their basement because it's funny instead of demigender furries realistic dialoguing in their ship-baiting non-interactions until plot needs to happen and they have a biblically accurate panic attack inspired by the time the creator got told to go outside once by their ethnic single mother that may or may not contain le epik wild west interwebz born in 2007 btw references so please buy the poster and the keychain and the figurine and the lunchbox and the dildo and the ticket for me to move to burbank and

>>153824464
Indie animation are designed for a specific feel with soft colors, furries and " i hate my wageslave life in a american city, I work in a fucking Mcdonald, and I live in a small bedroom with high rent"
And "My life should be easy if myself cut my balls and speak with female pronouns"

>>153824464
The very common one I never see people bring up:
>creator releases video with “[PILOT]” in the title
>never ever releases a second episode because the first one was completely unsustainable to make on an indie budget with limited time and resources
You will never ever see Planetronica episode 2, Port By The Sea episode 2, Wastelandia episode 2, Homestuck episode 2, Ramshackle episode 2, Pain Girl episode 2, Cliffside episode 2, Lackadaisy episode 2, Long Gone Gulch episode 2, Valerian High episode 2, and many many others.
Stop calling your short films “pilot” if you’re not willing to make a second episode without Glitch’s help.

>>153828528
You know a "Pilot" episode is for shopping around and see if you can get somebody to buy it and pay for a full show (or at least, where you can later rework it into a show by changing some bits from it.)

So calling it a pilot is not a bad tittle. Is people not understanding that the show was just not picked up.

>>153824464
>half baked-ideas
the unresolved themes and plot points don't look quirky and mysterious, it just looks like they didn't have a tard wrangler guide them through their self-induced boredom
>lack of experience
in life.
So many are perpetually stuck as a 15 year old who holes up in their room, doing nothing but consuming cartoons while working on their "art" and it really shows.
>risk adverse
For how "independent" they want to be they sure as shit love to copy the most recent successful thing. Japs are the worst with this, but it's prevalent in the west too.

>>153824464
>hate
More like apathy. I feel that for a lot of stuff.

>>153825267
>Industry plants
?

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>>153825501
horsefolder has been making indie animation for 20 years now it's strange to me that he hasn't capitalize the indie boom yet

Bump

>>153824464
It's exactly the same as the corporate animation it's supposed to be an alternative to. Same CalArts aesthetics, same wokeness, same forced quirkiness, same therapy speak dialogue, same infantilized plots. It is living proof that the west is no longer capable of producing worthwhile animation and it was never the TV networks' and streaming platforms' fault. Animation, like comics and video games, is best left to the Japanese.

>>153830727
Now if only the Japanese could write good endings too instead of fumbling as hard as the west

>>153831206
That's more a consequence of anything that goes on for longer than it needs to.
The sweet spot for a manga to not have a shit ending is 16-20 volumes assuming 200-230 pages per volume, and the sweet spot for a TV show to not have a shit ending is 3-4 seasons if it's 500 minutes per season or 5-6 seasons if it's 360 minutes per season. Anything more than that and the ending is probably going to suck.
It's why all these streaming shows nowadays have fucking dogshit endings, they milk the shit for like a decade but don't actually have an endpoint in mind, so they just end up realizing they've spun their wheels for 4 seasons and have to rush an ending for the last season.

>>153827538
and it's garbage wannabe prestigious television instead of an action show

Actual indie projects are either insanely slow to produce or insanely low budget
No Evil is fantastic but you're lucky to get two or three 5 minute episodes a year.

>>153827090
they got caught up in the idea of "lived experience" when creating something, but their lives aren't that interesting

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all of it
fucking ALL OF IT

>>153824464
>Most "indie" comes from the monopoly that is Glitch Productions
>Most of them are furry slice of life or "What if thing from your childhood but deep and edgy?"
>Most of them are made by depressed millennials
>Most of them exist to shill merch and those cringe chibi plushies
>The term "indie" cartoon is redundant, flash cartoons have been a staple of the internet since the begin
>If the character are humans, they're always black, gay or trans, if they're furries they're black coded and still gay or trans

>>153824464
Definitely the voice acting. I can't express in words how much I can't stand this English anime dub style VA work made by people who grew up on Fox kids. It's so fucking cringey

>>153824464
The fact that a lot of newer creators are just following what Glitch did (including some getting to the phase of making merch way too quickly) instead of trying to experiment and make a variety of things
I'd love to see more shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIPgWlE2Ybs
>>153825315
Yeah that too

>>153825479
Of any genre you could tackle action seems the most work and the most intimidating to do especially with a small team and a small budget. Monty was able to manage it because he worked in 3d and desu I think that's what an indie production would need to do but 2d is more popular.

>>153831979
with the resources they have what do u expect not everyone can voice act especially not discord randoms

>>153824948
>Every Glitch show so far has been for terminally online teenage-brained people.
Even MD and GD?

>>153832225
Murder Drones is for terminally online teenage brained people (affectionate)

>>153832013
I mean back in the day videos were just random and silly and could be whatever. I think you have a good point that this recent corperatization that started with Hazbin hotel in 2020 will likely have a mixed effect on the creative side of YouTube. Things are made with profit motive in mind, but at the same time younger generations are getting into wanting to make things because of all the hype.

>>153825549
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92z_69-TzM
>To me alot of indi animation feels almost like its trying too hard to be different or unique and in doing so it swings back around the other way and feels creatively bankrupt.
>>>153832013
>instead of trying to experiment and make a variety of things
man western cartoon fans and their... ahh nevermind

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>>153832246
Murder Drones is so based.

>>153824464
"Hate"... ?

>>153833007
based on what? on masturbation?

>>153824464
The dialogue.
The fact that they have to self censor to stay on a platform.
The fact that even through there's potential for adult animation it will self censor to stay in platform and target kids and teens with disposable income.

>>153825476
And in the 1980s it was studios making films like An American Tale.
Indie just means the production company is not publicly traded. There are always high effort highly trained and well funded indie productions as well as a bunch of people winging it. The 10s had Bee and Puppycat (produced by a Channel Frederator), but there were also internet nerds “winging it” for stuff like Pencilmation. You’re cherry picking examples.

>>153825529
> AI movie generator.
Tasteless faggot detected

>>153833007
Whatever ya say, dumb teen.

>>153827822
>I WANT A REFUND OF THE $0 I PAID TO WATCH THIS ON YOUTUBE WITH ADBLOCKER
that's exactly how i felt after watching tadc
thank you for perfectly putting it into words

>>153834403
I'm 24 and there's nothing wrong with not carong and enjoying kino. Be less miserable, anon.

>>153824464
In the case of TADC in particular it was the fact it had enjoyable aspects but the story itself ended up not rewarding me for being invested in those particular aspects because I was expected to like it for the preachy parts, and what I mean to say here is that I don't see why every indie animation has to tell a message about problems I don't have. I don't struggle with my sexuality, I don't want to kill myself, but some writers are too troonbrained to form a message a regular guy can relate to. When it's not that, then it's a show trying too hard to be grandiose, or having jokes that aren't funny. I can excuse unfunny jokes.

>>153827740
Jeff the killer?

>>153831206
Most anime and manga don't have shit endings, people either nitpick any ending they get because they don't want the series to end or they ignore the ones that have fine endings. True disasters like SnK, Oshi no Ko, Usagi Drop, etc. are relatively a drop in the bucket. And in most cases, the series with disaster endings were already shit long before they ended.

>>153831979
Voice acting has never been and will never be a prestige field in the west like it is in Japan, outside of like Pixar movies that can afford real actors. So of course it's going to be shit, you're getting the rejects who weren't good enough for TV, Hollywood or Broadway.

>>153827538
This might be a good argument during season 1, but current Invincible is more filler and whining than action, and when the action does show up it almost all looks like absolute shit.

>>153829161
>2022
Lol. Lmao even.

>>153836778
idgi

>>153831553
It’s important to be capable of abstract thinking. I like when my characters would remind people of emotions or attitudes I’ve had, in an entirely different context.
>>153829313
He’ll need a defense force against the folks who want to hand him responsibility for them being trans and punching windows.

Wish the show took off

>>153826410
Which still exists

>>153827100
What a fucking penis. Whoever wrote this is a massive douche

>>153827911
I'll sign up if the protag is a non wimpy dude for once.

>>153824464
Swearing. There's no reason for it. It's not inventive, interesting, or counter-culture, it's just stupid. You had a chance to say something daring or quotable and you blew it due to stupidity.

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>>153824464
>the excessive swearing that screams "I'm not confident in my ability to write dialogue or character voice"
>furry slice of life crap that comes from the same people who make furry slice of life indie comics
>stuff they sat on since high school and refuse to change in any way
>characters who look and act like maladjusted gay theater kids instead of any other demographic
>the quality of the writing exposing how the creators don't read enough good books
>being influenced by surface level aspects of anime rather anything deeper

My biggest issue with indie animation is how these creators want to use their show as therapy for their issues but are NEVER willing to go to the extreme in terms of self-awareness or exposing their worst and shameful character flaws. People are willing to watch one long therapy session if the author actually has the balls to go "it was me, I was responsible for my own shitty actions, and I need to get my head out of my ass" (pic related) but it seems like Bojack Horseman poisoned the well in that regard because now author therapy shows are just masochistic and mean-spirited.

>>153839242
>masochistic and mean-spirited
Or, in TADC's case, both those things but also masturbatory.
Goose, get help. Torturing your twink self-insert until he becomes a mindbroken cuckdog isn't something you should be gooning to.

>>153839335
at least Anno was gooning it to his female character, we can be grateful for that

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I'm trying to do a fairytale kinda thing cuz I like fairy tales

>>153838959
>see a tranny get criticized
>complain about penises
Pottery

>>153839783
looks breedable

>>153838959

Why because they didn’t like some mentally ill troony artist inflicting their fucked up suicide-fantasy-therapy-session on an unsuspecting audience?

Your ze/zer is showing…. Or is it Ma’am?

>>153839242
>being influenced by surface level aspects of anime rather anything deeper
I especially love it when they act like it's still 1998 and watching anime in the west is some incredibly niche and underground hobby and they are oh so special for doing it
Like i get it, you watched Akira and Sailor Moon fucking get over it

>>153839949
>mentally ill troony
Redundant. Troons are by definition mentally ill.

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>>153839906
Pls no breed
You will go to prison and die anon

>>153824464
>hate hate hate
why are you dipshits like this?

>>153828528
>Lackadaisy episode 2
You're probably right on most of them, but Lackadaisy is currently in production, idiot.
RIP LGG

>>153839949
It's a free show. You can just choose to stop watching if you don't find it entertaining. Anons trying to police what creators should or shouldn't make is retarded. Think it should be done a different way? Make your own.

>>153840698
Yeah make a show for people whose minds will be heavily defined by being fans of Digital Circus for the next few years. Sounds great!

I’ve been posting my work and it took years before Zoomers did anything but bitch that my style is unique and totally incongruous with lgbtq art culture etc.
Didn’t do it for them.

>>153824464
that there's probably amazing shit out there that nobody knows about because we can't find in in the youtube algorithm

>>153840028
Why is it always Sailor Moon or Akira or Dragon Ball? And even when it isn't those ones, NGE and Lupin and Gundam get references but it's also surface level!

We never get any references to something like Gun x Sword or VOTOMS or The Big O or Eatman or Gungrave. Or slice of life stuff like Watamote or Nisekoi or Yotsuba. I wouldn't even mind surface level references, just PLEASE reference something else!

>>153824464
That they're all the same generic shit by dysgenic troons who hate everything and everyone who can't write anything decent worth a shit.

>>153824464
>Draw female/male
>Call it tranny/pooner

>>153841304
They're ironic weebs and fake fans.

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>>153825310
>I’m genuinely surprised nobody seems to try their hand at the action and transformation gravytrain, shit prints infinite money
80% of the community is retarded. The best way I can articulate what interacting with these people is like is "Imagine having to get 20 Chris-chans to sign off on having hellboy published.". Yes it's obvious to everyone outside of the bubble that sonichu is a terrible idea in both execution and originality but if you don't have their support anything else is DOA regardless of how profitable it could potentially be. It's a Kafka-esque hellscape where the people incapable of making something good are the ones who control the initial momentum you need to be free of them.

>>153842124
This is brainlet tier take. There’s more than one group of people that likes to watch stuff.

>>153827894
Sometimes I wish he posted on this board so he could tear Famicunt a new one.

>>153842189
>There’s more than one group of people that likes to watch stuff.
I have been paying attention to art groups, communities, discords, forums, sub reddits and more for well over a decade.
In the current system, if you don't already have an audience, it doesn't matter how good your work is; it is completely invisible until it's shared enough for either the algorithm to disperse it or a suit to invest in it. Because so much is uploaded on any site at once, everything gets buried in the "new" tab, and the only crowd consistently paying attention to low-number newish projects are other people making low-number newish projects. Statistically, the vast majority of these projects lean to mediocre and bad, with a small minority actually being decent to good; this leads to "mob rule" of the worst creators creating circle jerks.

Think about it; from the sheer number of indie creators across the world with internet access, there should be dozens of amazing projects every single year in every medium and genre possible. Why are they not visible? Why are they not being promoted?

>>153842645
You overestimate the amount of indie creators existing. You can find indie animation by searching hashtags on various so local media sites, Xitter, Reddit, what have you, but you’ll see that in reality there aren’t that many animations being made. And even fewer with good art and story. It’s pretty niche, even at the height of web animation like racist Mario parodies there weren’t that many.

>>153843091
Not that anon but I think you're underestimating the volume of animation uploaded online by a lot. I know it seems like its this niche thing where only a few people would be doing it, but there are a few combining factors: There are genuinely more out of work "industry" animators out of work now than there have ever been before. There are more art who would have signed up for art school during the pandemic animation boom that're graduating into that wasteland industry now who have an actual financial incentive to make something, anything land because they're certainly not landing industry gigs. There are more people with ease of access to non pirated but perfectly functional 2d animation tools that even flash animation kind of gatekept back in its heyday when you needed to know basic piracy (alarming amounts of young people are computer illiterate).

If you actually keep tabs on just the number of indie pilots and shorts coming out right now, there's legitimately too much and its too competitive. As a viewer maybe this doesn't appear to be the case, but from the perspective of someone who bare minimum wants to make work that is accessible and standout enough to make some money? Its fucking brutal out there.

>>153842645
>there should be dozens of amazing projects every single year in every medium and genre possible.
I mean, there are, just in video games.
The market for indie animation is just way way way smaller than the market for indie games.
Even a lot of the Newgrounds oldheads started getting into indie gaming since there's a ton of overlap and it's a much safer industry since a platform like Steam or itch.io or GOG or even Nintendo is far easier to deal with than Youtube.

>>153841304
Be the change you want to see. Seems kind of retarded to be complaining that people aren’t influenced by stuff you think should be influential. That frustration you’re feeling is inspiration. Use it.

Sone of the plots are really dumb or really boring. Like gameoverse

The animation is almost never good, even if it gets picked up by a larger studio and given a budget boost.

>>153846238
You opened a complaint thread not a fix it thread mr inspiration

>>153824464
The fandom. I think even the worst indie animations are cool. I like seeing people actually apply themselves to make something that is difficult to make. But the “fans” suck and are often severely autistic.

>>153824856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfVDK7nAeRw

The Chaotic Good Barbarian

>>153827064


What did Toby Fox do? Someone Hallucinate that he worshipped hitler because one of the characters did something that some far right streamer did years later or something?

>>153826205
Honestly I wish he'd get funded so we could get a full sublo and tangy mustard series. Infinitely better than these other series

>>153824694
TADC got leaked, people are disappointed in how it wrapped up.

>>153824556
>furry wageslave slop cartoon #57
>vs
>I got reincarnated as a vending machine in isekai fantasy world #483027

>>153826156
This is a show that would get 1 season on CN and then have the entire 2nd season aired at 6 in the morning and silently left to die

>>153824464
>What aspects of Indie Animation do you hate ?
everything but the animation mostly (in some cases including the animation)
Especially the writing and voice acting.

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>>153847511
>male MC
>glitch
never ever

>>153825240
that chicken is so fucking cool

>>153847121
yes, because every single anime in existence is an isekai with a comically long title

>>153847992
I understand the logic with the long ass titles, but for sure they can rename it once they get picked up by a publisher or gets an anime. I just hate most of the times those titles just doesn't mater by the second or third story arc.

>>153847992
>it's ok to generalize indie web cartoons but not anime
faggot

They try to make shows deep and mature but only end up attracting an audience of mostly children

>>153827206
this shit was fucking hilarious. he sees online cartoonists putting their blood sweat and tears into their projects and then he shits this out

>>153848541
that's a whole new sentence, don't make something up just to get mad at it

>>153827894
Based, hard hitting, and precisely logical while still fully down to earth.
>>153846899
It would have soul
>>153848667
They have the emotional depth of children who’ve spent a lot of time on social media learning how to be fake and avoid upsetting people (both ensuring they’ll never grow)

it's the same thing as 2010s indie games
>we re-create what japs made 25 years ago and we shit on japan

>>153849337
>"It will never match anime in telling actual unique and interesting stories"
>not an unfair generalization

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>>153827822
>HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE ANY ASPECT OF A MEDIUM YOU HAVE INTEREST IN!
Why would someone like you even come to /co/?

>>153827894
John is a buffoon and a predator but he's a broken clock about Animaniacs. And even then he's wrong about WHY it's bad. The worst parts aren't the slapstick or dated jokes, it's running-gags ground into the dirt, forced catch-phrases, and a whole bunch of skits built around terrible single gag characters.

>>153847644
Considering how the internet works, it's not like they're even wrong for doing things this way. A coombait girl lead is just way more likely to succeed in this ecosystem.

>>153827894
>>153842261
>>153850491
yep. you-know-who is probably about to come any minute now. It's over. Thanks a lot guys.

>>153824464
sex with hot topic animal girls

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>>153824991
It's fun to dream big, anon, but you're a 'studio' of maybe 1-6 guys looking to put out a few episodes a year and crowd-funded by fans/patreon.

>>153850555
kinda sucks, but I guess that's just how the internet works

>>153844253
>If you actually keep tabs on just the number of indie pilots and shorts coming out right now, there's legitimately too much and its too competitive
Post some links, Show me some because most of them that I’ve seen on indie annimation YT playlists are unimpressive to me. Even if there were as many projects as you say, the amount of “quality” projects is pretty low.

>>153824948
> they all go for a 15-25 year old audience of people who think that a character crying means a show is important
That describes Final Space to a T

>>153826593
Really? How so?