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Pomni ryona
NOT BUNNYNOT FUNNY
i want to nibble on Princess Loolilalu's candy clit
Im gonna sleep now so i wont be making more threadsAlso that was a nice discussion we were having by the end of the last thread, see how much better it is to talk about plot stuff normally and without ragebaiting?Anyways please whoever is making the thread after me remember to not put /tadc/ on the subject and use a normal image
Crikey! I feel a song comin up
OCs that DESERVE to be raped?
>>153852742
>Zooble throwing on an extra pair of arms, grabbing Jax and puling him out with Pomni>Jax realizing that Zooble of all people saved him, even after everything he's donenow that would have been kino
ahem guys the oc anchor
I kinda wanna make an OC for shiggles but don't want to make yet another fursona. What do I do
>>153852751https://youtu.be/ZdIjfTQSEQQ
>>153852775Use a reptile instead
Toxic bros, it so ogrehttps://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/145154343
seriously how had i not heard about fight club au earlier im fucking tweaking. an au where jax isnt submissive, can manhandle me and is sweaty all the time? call me a boring fem jaxfag but i like what i like and i like him
>>153852751Somehow out of all ritualposters you are the one i can never recognize if you arent posting with a Gummigoo image.You blend in too well with the rest of us.
>>153852753is the creator even still around or he went to sleep?
>>153852784Scalies are still furries, I wanna avoid anything furry-adjacent because I'm tired of em and it would be too easy
this would been such a drag of a show if Kinger and Caine weren't there
OC ANCHOR+https://r2.whiteboardfox.com/25753347-1562-5722
>>153852787WHERE TF IS IT???
>>153852786The finale really is just killing everyone's passion for this huh
Does Caine shelving that orb at the end imply that his story of Abel/Blue leaving was one of Caine's classic outright lies, and he can rescind his debuff whenever he wants?
>>153852786What am I supposed to look forward to now?
>>153852786
>>153852803They probably went to sleep >>153852806You can make some stuff based on the other circus charactersGenerally TADC character have a cartoon toy or circus motif if they are the main characters and more general motifs if they are NPCs
>>153852786toxic… its like jingling keys to me but i dont like funnybunny so i just get jealous seeing it
>>153852806Make a toy then
>>153852803no clue. probably asleep. i should probably be asleep too.
Pomni guro
Pomni goomba
>>153852815they had to cancel it cuz fight club jax is too busy giving me multiple rape babies to get in the ring
>>153852753i want to see her catfighting with ragatha
>>153852786If I was a good artist I would make something more fucked up than toxic
Nope, Pomni is mine now. I am going to do the sex to her for the rest of eternity! Goodbye, /tadc/!
>>153852819I can't believe it's probably going to end on the bad version of chapter 7, like we need another downer ending
>>153852786YeahThis ending will go down in history as one of the most devise of the decadeThat is if Deltarune chapter 6 or 7 don't come in the 2020s
>>153852862the amount of art id draw of jax raping ragatha if i could draw…
>>153852857i want to see her getting jealous over anon giving ragatha attention and worrying if she's gonna be broken up with even though it's just being friends with ragatha
>>153852786This fucking sucks
>>153852793really? funny in a gummy kind of way.But can you tell wjhen it's me vs when it's some other anon posting a gummiphoto?
She comes to your room. She sits on your bed in the dark. You're both alone. She's clearly into you and came here for a reason. Do youA) Let her fuck you orB) Act like a sperg for the next several months while she begs to fuck you every day
>>153852902b. next question and hopefully one thats not as fucking retarded, please
>>153852902B, naturally
>>153852891Its actually fairly easy because most of the times when other people here post stuff about gummigoo its always about shipwars and youre fairly chill about thatAlso theres someone here that really likes posting gummyporn (especially with jax) and i have no idea if that is you or not
>>153852857>>153852885I want to see both of them doing this
Sex with Caine
>>153852902B, duh. I'll take a step further and bully her for even considering A until she abstracts
>>153852902C. Convince her to help me start a harem of every female that ends up in the circus
>>153852902Is there a C option
>>153852902I follow my leader and idol, so B also reminds me about how I fumbled a girl I liked in highschool
Favorite side character?
>>153852950Gangle.
>>153852950Gummydaddy
>>153852950Kinger
I gotta kill myself for the plot of othersThemes and suchPeace out
>>153852950candy lady
Alot of you guys shitting on jaxxy-boy for fumbling ribbit but YOU ALL fumbled cute women before too dont deny it>>153852950Does bubble count?
>>153852786Damn shame. Porn aside it really reminded me of a kind of edgy 2000s webcomic in places. It was overly dramatic but still readable.It's crazy to see and ending just make hardcore fans that poured hundreds of hours into fanwork just throw up their hands and walk away.
>>153852950NEEDS to be heavily pregnant with my kids
>>153852968Wait!How tall are you? I need to know what size fish tank to buy
>"But seriously, please don't pirate, record, or spoiler the movie until June 19th when it premiers on YouTube." -GLITCH>Leaks it before it even reaches the theatersWhy did they do it
>>153852971I fumbled a black shortstack in college. She was smart and a little bit shy but once she opened up she was really funny and creative. I'll never recover.
>>153852971The last time I even talked to a girl in a romantic sense was like, grade school
why didnt jax break into ragathas room every night and rape her asshole if he had the keys the whole time? is he stupid?
>>153852968AhYesThe Higurashi Technique
>>153852972Alot of jaxfags will probably hate the ending. I dont quite get it to be honest, for me the cool thing about jax is watching the obvious disaster unfold. Like hes the character you like because hes a complete mess and you want to see what happens in the end to him, be it a good ending or a bad ending.
>>153852937I wish, but ever since we learned that there was no external authority mandating an age rating but just Caine's own prudishness, seems unlikely.
IT'S NEWS TO ME THAT ITS NEWS TO YOUTHAT JAX IS MERELY A CLOSETED TROON
>>153852902The trick is that she only wants it because you’ve been giving her B energy. So B her for a while and then hit her with an A, then go back to B until she begs again. Works every time.
>>153852819>>153852972I'm hoping people come back a little as the dust settles, especially considering with it leaking so early it's going to be a steady trickle of new reactions as it's released in theatres and onlineBut yeah, now that I'm mostly done processing the finale, I'm processing the reality that this fandom's probably going to rapidly dissolve for how huge and strong it was, it's sad
>>153852819What was the point of Jax abstraction?Jax and Pomni formed emotional bond throughout the season, Pomni learned Jax has a problem, she unintentionally saved Jax from abstraction, Jax slowly becoming more cooperative, he stole the key to the office, he voluntarily being tormented by Caine to stall time.And then Kinger said "oh, I killed Caine and we are digital copy" then he went abstract 7 minutes after the ep9 started, offscreen. And then the half of whole last episode is Jax memorial and Jax crying he doesn't want to leave.What was the point of this story then? VivziePop is a hack writer who wrote Angel Dust bitching about his insignificance and saved by a cat bartender twice, but at least she doesn't kill Angel offscreen at the end of the season.Some idiots claim that the theme is “No matter how much you build bonds, you’re too late hahaha,” but first, the theme up through Episode 8 was clearly not that; second, “you’re too late” can hardly be called an educational theme; and third, Caine literally committed more mistakes for a longer time and ignored more complaints, but came back from the grave anyway because he had godlike power.
>>153853010Yeah hes quite the baby without blue AI, i bet the moon can remove that part from him tho.>>153852990A very pretty black girl liked me in highschool too and i only realized way later when we no longer talked.
>>153852950Ming.
What if Postman Jax entered the circus?
>>153852971i didnt just fumble 1, i fumbled 6 times in my life
>>153852753Should I draw her with gigantic tits?
What was the name of that female wooden mannequin OC from a bit ago I wanna start saving pictures of her.
>>153850502>“I leave avatars in the digital circus. One always finds one's burden again. But the circus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises buildings. All the denizens too conclude that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to them neither sterile nor futile. Each line of code, each pixelized rendering of every nook and cranny in itself, forms a world. The struggle itself during the adventures is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine the denizens of the digital circus happy.”>>153850793>>153850797>>153850808>>153850788It was fine. No worse than the Murder Drones finale. Like, who cares?
>>153853013Naw man, you gotta play B until she kills herself. Then you can... Uh... Hmm.
>>153853000jax can't rape anyone because he's a bottom
>>153853027More mature and happier jax but still with alot of the same problems
>>153853000Because Jax is a faggot and prefers men's assholes.
>>153853019>as the dust settlesWhen it is officially released, a sandstorm will come.
>>153853008I'm not a Jaxfag, and that's exactly why the ending sucks.If you're not a Jaxfag then the finale takes up so much time going over Jax. The shock of "We are actually not even real people, we're stuck in here forever with each other" or hell, any other character stuff, is glossed over for Jax drama.Okay so then Jax fans get to be happy right? No because he goes out like a bitch. I personally think it does a bad job of making anyone happy. There will always be exceptions to everything so of course there will be some people who still enjoy it, but I feel the VAST vast majority of people are going to be really down on it.
>>153852972>>153853008Jax took the whole spotlight at the end and all he did was being a wreck and pitiful piece of shit, of course Jaxfags wouldn't want that after so much time and passion was put into him.
GET YOUR JAX CHAINEDSHITTY LITTLE KEK CAGED
>>153853050Talking from experience?
>>153853052>of course there will be some people who still enjoy itThose who like people not enjoying would enjoy it, like Goose himself.
>>153853021>What was the point of Jax abstraction?The antagonist of the show’s message and our protagonist’s philosophy got a tragic fate because he failed to grow in the way everyone else did. It’s a cautionary tale of refusing to connect with others, identifying with your trauma, and giving up on yourself.
>>153853033Go on anon
>>153853033sure
>>153853067I don't think his last scene with Pomni was 'refusing to connect with others'.
It might have felt like more of a tragedy rather than just misery porn if they had a funeral for Jax and we heard what everyone had to say about him in a way that counters his self perception. Hammer home how unnecessary all the drama was, but also acknowledge the impact he had for better and worseRagatha's POV on his whole downfall now that she's able to speak freely about Ribbit, Zooble and Gangle's surprise that he was actually so fragile, and how knowing that impacts Gangle after he kept her self esteem down for so long. Let everyone have their say rather than being laser focused on the Jax pity party. And leave it on a note of "when you do this to yourself, you hurt everyone around you" rather than "when you do this to yourself... everyone around you is fine actually, in fact things instantly get way better, and also you're at peace" lmaoAnd would have been a nice bookend to the funeral scene in episode 2 that was glossed over
>>153853052Well im not a jaxfag either, i just dont despise his existence enough to be mad that he has a big portion of the episode dedicated to him, fairly understandable when you consider he supposed to be the big thematic opposition from the showI can still entertain myself with the train wreck tho.
>>153853087He was already dead, it was too late. Don’t be Jax or else someday it’ll be too late for you too, and you’ll regret it.
>HNGH YESSS KAUFMO YESS YESSS FUCK MY TRANSGENDER WET WARTY POZZED BOYGIRLCUNT WHILE I LISTEN TO Isn't She Lovely by Stevie Wonder YISSSSSSSSSS ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH>O-OHHHHH IM GONNA CUM KAUFMO I CAN FEEL YOUR BAC HIT MY PROSTATE HNGHHH AHH AHH AHHHHHHHHHH->W-wait....>W-...>WHAT. THE. LE. FUCK.>KAUFMO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!?!?!?!?!?! YOU WERE GAPING MY DISGUSTING FUCKING POZZED PROLAPSED SHITTY BUNCLITTY WITH A QUEEN GLOINK-SIZED CONDOM ON?!?!!? BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE?!?!? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE ME EVEN MORE DIGITAL STDS THAN KINGER AND CAINE ALREADY GAVE ME?!?!?!?!?! WHATTT THE FUCKCKKKK>STIFFEN THE WOMBATS, I'M RUINED!!! I HAD YOU NOT FUCK MY NAZI WHORE OF A WIFE POMNI FOR THE ENTIRE DECADE SO YOU WOULD SAVE UP ENOUGH CUM TO PAINT MY FUCKING COLON WITH YOUR CUM!!!! WHAT WILL MY FELLOW MODERATORS OF r/lgbtragebaiters THINK OF ME NOW?!?!?! KAUFMO THINK FOR ONE FUCKING SECOND YOU NIGGER!!!! I'M FUCKING RUINED!!! I WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE YOUR HOT ABSTRACTED LOAD UP MY HAIRY ASSHOLE AFTER ZOOBLE AND GANGLE GOT ME PREPPED AND POST IT ON r/BunnyFemboisTakingBAC SO RIBBIT COULD SEE IT!! WE MUST BE BETTER MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>KAUFMO YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER BEAST SUBHUMAN APE!!!!!! I'M GONNA STEAL A BILLION DOLLARS OFF MY REAL SELF'S BANK ACCOUNT AND SEND THEM TO CAINE SO THAT HE SHOVES YOU BACK TO THE FUCKING CELLAR!!!! COME HERE!!!!! I'M GONNA FUCKING TRANSITION TO A BEAVTIFUL HUNG FVTABSTRACTED BUNNYQVEEN ANYDAY NOW!!!!! I WILL GIVE YOU THE GAPING THAT I WILLINGLY FORCED MYSELF TO TALK RIBBIT OUT OF GIVING TO ME!!!!! COME HERE YOU FUCKING NIGGER>I AM SUCH AN ANGRY KEK!!!!
>>153853060Yeah, but I wasn't the one receiving.
I could have fixed Jax. With my cock. He really just needed a good dicking.
>>153853027Have enough self awareness to manifest as a girl, but not enough to roll with dealing with people who knew a younger clone.
Is Jax Filipino or a Spic? Idk, what's worse?
>>153853087Yeah but it was too late. Jax only realized he didn't want this too late.
>>153853067the "cautionary tale" becomes a meme when you see Caine basically getting away with everything without any consequences minutes later
>>153853088They had said their piece about Jax. A funeral scene where they just say nice things about him wouldn’t fit.
>>153853067Jax was never the antagonist. He was another victim.
>>153852971When I was a teen in marching band there was this girl from the color guard who'd always come and talk to me. I was super weird with long hair and I weighed like 120 pounds so I just never thought any girl would ever like me.At the end of my senior year everyone signed everyone else's picture of the full band. She signed mine. So did everyone else. There was like 60 signatures on the front. I took it home and tossed it aside.Like a year later I turned it over while moving it and that same girl had written on the back. Legit like 5 paragraphs telling me how amazing I was and how she liked me and wanted to keep in contact. I felt like a retard.Years after that I'd look her up while deleting my facebook and she was dating some guy who took her on boat rides and shit and made a lot of money. I work a blue collar job out in a shop, could never do anything like that for her. Glad she's happy.
>>153853103i wish i could unread this
>>153853042>>153853050i know this to be true but i refuse to believe it cuz jax hurting women gets me wet
>>153853108>didnt manage to fix Jax You have weak cock game anon sorry >>153853122Actually it gets even stringer with the inclusion of Caine! Caine in comparison to Jax did something, ANYTHING to try to change himself for the better. That alone made him have a better ending.
>>153853052The only shock was all of them being too stupid to figure it out themselves. Even if they didn't overhear Kinger, the pieces were right there.
>>153853132Oh man that sucks ass, i hope you find someone that will make you happy anon
>>153852856
>>153853129Incorrect, Jax runs contrary to Pomni’s philosophy and the message of the show. He is definitionally an antagonist. Caine was the physical antagonist and Jax was the thematic antagonist.>>153853122He changed, took feedback, and addressed his issues. Jax did not. A contrasting successful redemption and refusal of redemption does not contradict each other, it reinforces the same thing.
>>153852786it's makes sense sense you see the author hating on Caine for what he did to Pomni before. I don't think this was about Jax. He said this in a previous post>Oh btw, Caine, I hate you! I hate you for what you did to Pomni in Episode8. I'll let out my frustrations on you eventually, in my own story. I think that tiny cage is too good for you now. Also getting deleted in the show was too quick and painless.
We're looping here, we just went through this last thread and we're going through the same thing again. Just agree to disagree or something
>>153852931hi im the gummyporn/jaxporn anon. i like them cuz men who stink turn me on. have some gummybunny for the road
>>153853129>He was another victim.He was making victims, you mean lol
>>153852786Qrd???
>>153853137Hello foidanon, I want to hurt you.
>>153853160Thats a very weird thing to say lol some of these guys need to realize they are fictional characters>>153853166I mean its fine its not like we are fighting or anything, if its simple discussion like this theres no problem
>>153853053That is what Jax has been doing since episode 6 and none of them were complaining. Some of them were actually getting mad at the people who did complain.
>>153853122You can’t recover from abuse while it is ongoing so it makes sense that Jax was coping from birth to death, his coping was just uglier than Ragatha’s
>>153853166That’s what happens when someone spams pasta of a bad take that goes out of its way to misread what the show is doing
>>153853172I knew you were a different person! Im getting good at this recognizing by text thing
>>153853011HE COULD COME OUT, IT'S FINEBUT IN THE END WHO ARE WE KIDDINGVULNERABILITY'S A LIABILITYHE'LL DIEOUT OF VIEW
>>153853160
>>153853177>some of these guys need to realize they are fictional characters
Anon made a great point last thread. Anyone who’s had an alcoholic or drug user in their family should understand Jax’s arc and especially his conclusion quite easily.
>reading a fanfic where jax irl is some tall motorcycle riding bad boy>leaks come out and it turns out hes a scene kid twink straight out of a hot topic i wonder how fanfic writers reacted to this....
>>153853141>You have weak cock game anon sorryAs if your cock would've done any better. Jax is unfixable. He needed to abstract.
>>153853051idk, I feel like the most hardcore fans will just watch the leaks, the people who are gonna wait for the official release probably don't care as much and will be happy with whatever
>>153853176holy shit is that the real jax from the amazing digital circus no way i though you got turned into a dog or something
>>153853198>im actually saying this word for word irl along with other linesGET OUT OF MY HEADWHAT DID YOU DO TO ME GOOSE>>153853208PERSONALLY my thunder jumbo penis would have fixed Jaxxygirl in a afternoon but thats just me
>>153853205He was always the second thing and I’m so happy that the jaxwank fanon has been shattered to dust.
>>153853102>He was already dead, it was too late.Only because the plot decided, there's no in-universe justification for this other than Goose making up unestablished world building to engineer a pointless sad scene
>>153853205I mean real jax is still very attractive lmao just a different type of attractive
>>153853213>the most hardcore fans will just watch the leaksYou underestimate how much some don't want to watch the thing with subs and watermarks
>>153853225jax is the second one badly trying to convince himself he can be the first one if hes shitty enough to the women in his life
>>153853233>there's no in-universe justificationyou're just deluded into thinking he was getting better when even in episode 8 he was explicitly getting worse
>cant self-insert with jax because hes always depicted as a rapist in fanart>now i cant self-insert as jax because he is a she
>>153853213>I feel like the most hardcore fans will just watch the leaksYou been here probably for 3 years and after all that time you STILL are underestimating the autism of this show's following
I self-insert into Jax, personally
>>153853129This, the power dynamic is completely fucked, Caine literally trapped everyone there and is the ultimate reason everything went down. But he just comes back because he doesn't hate himself like Jax does
>>153853235true, but still
>>153853233>there’s no in universe justificationIt’s called abstraction and it was introduced in the very first episode.>only because the plot decidedWhat is every single story ever told? At SOME point playing Russian Roulette will get you shot. Why not have the gun go off in the final episode, because, you know, that’s climactic and interesting?
>>153853255Okay gooseworx
>>153852810i tried making a tadc oc but i can't draw
>>153853176its a remarkable show of how much of a failure of a person i am that my first instinct was to respond with something genuinely horny to this
>>153853160lol damn, that's extra. Pomni got off the lightest tooKinda funny too considering this artist literally has Pomni raped and sliced up lmao
It should been tron.It should been tron.It should been tron.Not soma.
>>153853011keknow him respecting zooble's pronouns despite being such a dipshit makes sense at least
>>153853157It would make sense to say Jax didn't take feedback on his issue and change if that even happened at all. If Pomni saw the flashbacks while Jax is not abstracted and he still didn't do anything after Pomni confronted him about it then yeah you could say that. But before he abstracted, the biggest callout he got never got deeper than "ur an ass lol". How are you supposed to change from that?
>>153853256In the end even if Caine was worse than Jax he actually got redeemed because he tried to redeem himself, Jax did not try and pushed away anyone that tried to help him
i should pass outgood night. also death to jaxfags.>>153853265based dice OCi'm gonna ROLL HIM. does his gun shoot square bullets?
>>153853265based lmao. it would be even more based if this fella constantly talks with gambling terms
>>153853175No info outside of the post, I'm guessing they saw the finale and maybe don't like Jax anymore after what he did, or just generally didn't like the finale?(Unless you mean QRD about what this comic is)
>>153853246what world do you live in where jax is always portrayed as a rapist instead of the raped and how do i get there
>>153853256Caine owned up and changed, Jax didn’t. The lesson? Don’t be Jax. You aren’t too far gone until you make an irreversible mistake that kills you.
>>153853265Whats his name anon? Reminds me of gameoverse a littleAlso you can draw pretty well what you on about
>>153853289Probably the pre-episode-5 world
>>153853285>it would be even more based if this fella constantly talks with gambling terms it would be funny if that was an avatar gimmick he simply can't get rid of like gangle's mask
>>153853244>when even in episode 8 he was explicitly getting worseIn episode 8 he went to cafe with others which he didn't visit since Ribbit abstracted. In the same episode he was tortured by Caine to stall time. He replied to Pomni asking him to 'be here later'.
>>153852972>It's crazy to see and ending just make hardcore fans that poured hundreds of hours into fanwork just throw up their hands and walk away.The truth is - this was going to happen no matter WHAT the ending was; too many factions within the fandom, all with their own very particular headcanon for what the ending ought to be, all unwilling to accept anything else.
>>153846967 Is it really that bad? Thanks for telling me not to watch that video. I hope that bitch isn't popular or anything, but since there's no justice in the world, she probably is.
>>153853244Yeah, he went from no longer being able to deny his circumstances, to being reminded of his worst insecurities, to being told that he really is stuck here forever and his past never would have caught up with him because it already happened to someone else.
>>153853201But there was literally no push and pull like that with Pomni. He crashed out once, then started slowly warming back up to her. If he crashed out on her multiple times it would make perfect sense.
>>153853273She straight up gets a knife shoved up her pussy, christ. Like I'm a dude and even I can imagine how unbelievably painful that must feel like.
Painfully realistic depiction of mommy issues. I can relate to Jax. My mom drilled into my head to never open up to anyone except her and my dad.
>>153853233Exactly. Caine was deleted but somehow returned on his own.
I wasnt actually here for pre-episode 7 fandomWhat were the impressions that got changed from the characters after the episodes? I know alot of people were expecting Ragatha and Pomni to be waaaay closer friends in the pilot days
>>153853277Anon Jax pushed away Ribbit and Ragatha and Pomni. He had every chance to make a change, he got invited back in even after PUSHING A BUTTON THAT MIGHT HAVE TRAPPED THEM THERE and still had to throw on his mask after Gangle called zooble off and gave him an in. He had a whole circus family who was there for him and he just didn’t believe in it enough to keep going.
>>153853244>even in episode 8 he was explicitly getting worseLiterally how?
>>153853313Somehow palpatine returned
>>153853233permission to despise your inner jax is priceless so its the only smart response
>>153853266What's stopping you, foidanon? I won't bite~ Actually yes, I will bite. Very hard. Go ahead and post something geniunely horny. I already know you're a failure anyway, might as well embrace it in front of me. Entertain me.
>>153853292his name is in the filename. i also thought it would be funny if his real name outside the circus was jack pott. and thanks i don't usually draw anything
>>153853249I've only been here a few months thank fuck, I think I'd kill myself after that shit show if I wasted three years on it lmao
>>153853313Computer programs dont actually get wiped when you press delete on themThey just disappear from your view and stay on your hard drive until they get overwritten by something elseThis was represented in the sjow as the void
>>153853301It's truly the woman opinion of all time
>>153852753Has her name even been stated yet
>>153853213Do you think those who avoid the leak like a buddhism monk are less autistic than idiots here who don't care about 'best first experience'? They certainly have higher expectation than the rest of us.
>>153853201Besides addiction also being a moral failure, not really. The show was too short to do a cyclical arc for him
>>153853326i am NOT doing public self insert digital circus erp but this got me genuinely flustered anon bravo you win or whatever
This truly was our amazing digital circus
>>153853261>It’s called abstraction and it was introduced in the very first episode.No justification for the "a bloo bloo I'm alive long enough to loredump my character and regret my actions but it's also too late to save me so this entire scene is pointless and only exists for the sake of exposition" bullshit
>>153853330Snake eyes it will be, i hope you dont mind me eventually redrawing him for the collage
>>153853307>there was literally no push and pull like that with PomniHe kept her at arms length and secluded himself and masked and would go to be alone to panic attack because he couldn’t handle anyone seeing how bad he was. It’s like sneaking bottles of vodka while kinda sorta drinking less around your concerned friend. He was still running instead of participating in the two way street that was a relationship with her and everyone else.
>>153853337Oska, I believe.It's bad but the body works enough for me to ignore.
>>153853334>I think I'd kill myself after that shit show if I wasted three years on it lmaoha ha hafunny rightha ha ha someone please check on stolasfag
All those Pomni hugging scenes just made her look very soft, squishy, and cuddly. I want to hug Pomni now. I need a big life sized Pomni plushie.
>>153853330>jack pottkek'd
I only watched most of the spoilers, did Caine shut down the mindscanner?
>>153853337Oska
>>153853373Yes.
>>153853344What's the matter babe? Nothing wrong with having some funusing jax images makes flirting much easier for some reason
>>153853265should have been two die so he could be rolled and "broken apart" and land on snake eyes
Do you think it's possible to be autistic enough to show up in the circus as a Sonic recolor? And would that person need to be quarantined for everyone else's sake?
>>153853360He came here earlier, he's seen it. He hates it but he's doing fine
>>153853330>i also thought it would be funny if his real name outside the circus was jack pott.HEEEELLOOOOOO
>>153853318>and still had to throw on his mask after Gangle called zooble off and gave him an in.But he didn't walk away, which is what he did the previous episode.And then when Pomni throws him a similar bone in the cafe, he doesn't even mask.It's steady progress that's all suddenly undone for no reason.
>>153853296>In episode 8 he went to cafe with others which he didn't visit since Ribbit abstracted.And almost immediately bullied Pomni and Zooble, saying they were all better off before they showed up.
>>153853381Wait what?I thought that thing was still on
>>153853373Never implied he does so anyone can still fall into the circus
>>153853347>a bloo bloo I'm alive long enough to loredump my character and regret my actions but it's also too late to save me so this entire scene is pointless and only exists for the sake of expositionYour critique is that you didn’t get an autistic technical explanation for a narrative device used to give closure on Jax’s story? Why is that necessary? Pomni took on risk, she tried, it was too late, we got their final moments and then he had to go. What answer did you need? He didn’t have enough hit points to revive? The virus is irreversible? Asking for technobabble is a weird one for sure.
>>153853359>>153853380thanks
>>153853381Stated where? You keep saying that new people can't show up but not providing proof
>>153853340kek, good pointStill, I feel like word of Jax abstracting is surely going to get out more than not, which will have people more emotionally prepared and ready to accept some bullshit in the writing
Move over Gangle I'm claiming that zoobussy too
>>153853392And everybody ignored, and he didn't continue, because they all know it isn't how he thinks.
>>153853277Pomni told him episode 6 that how he behaves might be what leads to abstraction.
>>153853391>undone for no reasonUndone because he repeats his pattern of behavior he had with Ribbit. People like Jax slip back into their habits all the time. It’s not out of character at all.
>>153853414Zooble DOES NOT have ALL DAT
>>153852739
>>153853391Except he had a panic attack the second he left their sight and then Caine reminded him why he doesn't want to open up to others. Sure, that does make Caine less "deserving" of redemption for having done so but it is also a logical throughline for Jax deteriorating.
>>153853335He was deleted via the console thoughAnd if he was just sitting out there, Mr 7 Years Of Computer Science should have known that
>>153853419So? That’s not a reflection on him.
>>153853382i hate myself so much for being genuinely tempted to go with it
>>153853344Thanks, lol. I thought I was kinda trying too hard but apparently it worked well enough for you. Do you want me to keep going?
>>153853385i gave him vertical pupils to look like literal snake eyesi also put dots on his gloves to look like two 1s>>153853354not at all! i'd love to see more renditions of him :)i wonder what his relationship with some of the other ocs would be like the mafia one or the 8-ball
>>153853347We know the circus is real but it seems weird to take it for granted that the right thing to do was to play along with Caine and make friends, and treating it like a game was wrong. It ends up being true because it’s true in real life. Makes sense that it fucked him up to learn it was real and realize what he did to Ribbit, but I dunno if I’d blame anyone for being an asshole and trying to force the idea everyone is an NPC up until that point. You have no actual reality test and no idea why you’re there. Asshole yeah, though.
>>153853357I'm not giving you yet another list demonstrating steady improvement throughout every fucking interaction
>>153853430Kinger must have figured it stuck because Caine didn't come back for revenge in the time it took for Kinger to approach everyone else.
>>153853335>>153853313>>153853430I still think the cast should have conjured a backup of him back since we know he had at least 2 backups during the terminal scene
the amazing grooming circus
>>153853297This is hardcore cope.The ending was just trash.
>>153853313This is my issue with finale. I expected Caine to come back, and I'm fine with him bringing himself back. I just wish the episode built it up in anyway, Jax gets flashbanged and suddenly Caine is back.
>>153853122Yeah giving the depressed homeless guy the "Haha you fucked up NOW DIEEEEEEE!!!" and giving the guy who genuinely tortured the main cast, the "Oh, no, no, no, it was all the blue AI's fault actually. This dudes all good." was weird, and really stupid.
>>153853424>Undone because he repeats his pattern of behaviorBut he literally didn't, like I just fucking laid outIf he had, it would have been fine, but Goose didn't fucking write that scene despite clear opportunity to do so
>>153853452id get my haircut at the circus
>>153853438if this wasnt a public forum id say yes. jesus christ i need to touch grass
>>153853440His cope was horrible but potentially forgivable even to the end but he couldn’t forgive himself so redemption could not be had.
>>153853318whenever he got given a chance before the final episode he acted on it. It was basically a writing decision to undo all of that at the last episode, not a naturally built up thing at all
>>153853452Basically this general
>>153853256>befriending the demiurge (he won't stay dead anyway)Has any other story tried this?
>>153853430Anon not even deleting something from a console completely deletes them like that in a real computerMr 7 years of computer science wasnt trying to actually delete caine, kinger is intelligent but not a supergenius to remember everything especially when things are dire
>>153853403My critique is that everything was clearly designed around maximising sads rather than making anything coherent or meaningful
>>153853419The other characters ignoring that he's still acting like a piece of shit doesn't change that he's still acting like a piece of shit.Abstraction is about one's own state of mind, not everyone else's. Jax is the one isolating himself from everyone else, Jax is the one lashing out, Jax is the one bullying others to cope. The other characters are willing to give him unlimited second chances, and yet he still keeps falling back into the same pattern again and again.
I just wanted 1 (one) Jax and Kinger interaction after that ad
>>153853437I mean its not that big of a deal, would be the worst thing i ever seen people saying here. There was a guy that once said the way i write my posts is sexy which i thought was pretty hilarious.
>>153853441Because they would be exaggerations that don’t actually address the core of his issues.>>153853463But he literally did, he kept secluding himself and couldn’t grieve with the others or accept a future and he eventually ran off and died.
>>153853438Jax! You can’t just appeal to anon’s fetishes like that!
>>153853468im not getting groomed on the fucking tadc thread im losing this name and changing my identity completely im never gonna recover from this one bros
>>153853480Wouldnt*
>>153853480there was pretty much a full on erp session here between anon and "Zooble" like a week or 2 ago
>>153853479Would it have been better if he really did shove Kinger into the void, or would that have made audiences no longer buy Pomni trying so hard for Jax?
I wouldn't change anything about the finale other than Jax apologizing to Gangle before walking off to go kill himself off-screen
>>153853476It’s coherent, meaningful and sad. Everything makes sense, everything contributes to the point, and Jax as the bitter aspect of the bitter sweet ending is sad.>>153853467>whenever he got given a chance before the final episode he acted on itNope. He had ample opportunity to change and he didn’t. He couldn’t talk about his issues, open up, ask for forgiveness. The only time he was ever able to get any discussion out about Ribbit was when Ragatha went out of her way to acknowledge it and he froze up.
>>153853439>>153853439Idk if 8 ball guy continues coming to these threads but i think the slime mobster still doesYou should draw your own interactions with them, we started doing that with the OCs recentlyAlso you should try drawing him on our whiteboard, theres a OC corner on there
>>153853491Honestly i think its funny as fuck when people do that and i like to participate myself sometimes a joke but i completely get why some people are bothered by 2 people text fucking on the thread even if as a joke
>>153853465>jesus christ i need to touch grassWe all do, you're not special. To be honest a public ERP wouldn't even be in the top 20 most embarrassing things to happen in this general, but who am I to encourage you.
>>153853495At that point most of the audience would have said let that rabbit fry
>>153853478I don't see any anger from what he said, and he didn't continue this topic. It is evident that Jax himself doesn't believe what he is saying.
>>153853505If he could have given a sincere apology then he'd probably have been fine.
>>153853486Why not, Raggy? Are you jealous or something?
>>153852810>>153852751there we go!!!https://voca.ro/18mReZO1sayIfor https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153837087/#q153837387changed a few words but it was fun lol
>>153853460>Haha you fucked up NOW DIEEEEEEE!!!Jax would say this>Oh, no, no, no, it was all the blue AI's fault actually. This dudes all goodThe characters who got a happy ending would say this
>>153853450I understand why but for me personally i think it would feel cheap if it wasnt the same caine, it being the same guy that tried to change himself makes it more special for me.
>>153853491Does anyone have any screenshots of that or anything, I could use for a laugh.
>>153853522you think thats bad? i was hitting the character limit everytime writing an "anon x Ragatha" fanfic a while ago
Anyone else ships Bunnydoll but with a serial rapist with an innocent sweet girl vibes?
>>153853460The show was not gleeful about Jax’s death at all.>genuinely tortured the main castBoth Jax and Caine did that.
>>153853495I just find it extremely odd that the only other Male member of the crew just fucking ignored him
>>153853536The Episode 9 was mandatory forced sad ending combined with mandatory forced happy ending. Combining both is making it even more stupid.
>>153853535LMFAO
>>153853550And somehow... Caine flied back from the trash bin because he has a godlike power.
>>153853544Based>>153853546I mean at least that’s a semi-honest dynamic of the two characters. I’m tired of jax ship art that turns him into something unrecognizable from who he actually is.
>>153853551Guess this is why women get mad in other shows/movies when the female characters don't talk to each other at all. Jax could have used a good fatherly figure like Kinger but he was reserved for the girls mostly.
>>153853546That would be atleast half of the non wholesome bunnydoll pics i have ever seen femanon
>>153853546ive BEEEEEEEEEEEN saying this>>153853524if i was drunk like i usually am id just be going for it. dont wanna bother the others in the thread though
>>153853535Season 2's theme song...
>>153852950
>>153853535Kek
>>153853552Consequences occurring to someone who refuses help when they need it is not forced.The characters achieving their hard fought goals isn’t forced.
>>153853534What I- NO! You shouldn’t be abusing women just because someone finds it hot!
>>153853564>Kinger but he was reserved for the girls mostly.Yeah he ignored Kaufmo the day before he abstracted and he told they are digital copy when Jax was mentally unstable.
>>153853506who in the circus accurately figured out what Jax problem was, called him out on it and tried to help him without feeding into his fears and paranoia? You try to inject a medicine into a guy but he got injected with poison before so now he's scared of being injected with anything
>>153853552Anon come on you don't get it it was for themes
>>153853587inb4
>>153853177>Thats a very weird thing to say lol some of these guys need to realize they are fictional characterswait till you see what's being said about Jax
>>153853582>Consequences occurring to someone who refuses help when they need it is not forced. The characters achieving their hard fought goals isn’t forced.Jax hugged back at Pomni and cried he doesn't want to leave. Caine ignored Zooble's advice countless times and decided to torture everyone.
>>153853557Caine didn’t suicide and Jax did. Caine was capable of change and Jax wasn’t. Their fates have everything to do with how they handled themselves when they hit rock bottom. Caine stood up, Jax crawled in a hole to die alone.
I only just learned that the entire final episode leaked a few days ago. Where can I read the spoiler?
>>153853587She would say this, its actually scary how much i can picture her saying this. Congratulations anon.
>>153853588Granted that Kinger who ignored Kaufmo was the crazy one, not the lucid sane one Jax discovered in episode 8
>>153853587Why not? They like it anyway, same probably goes for you. Now be a darling, and shut up before I shoot you.
>>153853591The Amazing Digital Theme: No matter you're taking right direction or not you are too late and you will die unless you have a godlike power to save yourself from death and mistakes.
>>153853551>other male
>>153853295that would be a fun gimmick>"remember kid, in this circus, the house always wins...">"i've a plan to leave, but it's a bit of a gamble...">"what's the deal, fellas? the exit's right here! i ain't bluffin!">>153853507i'm not confident in my drawing skills :( i just used ms paint shape tools mostlyalso i thought about how he would look without the detective coat and i figured something like picrel. maybe for a nightmare sequence like with peeled jax
>>153853600>Jax hugged back at PomniIn his death goodbye scene, and even then the only way he could tell her he cares about her is to say jokingly that he hates her. His regret was to drive the point home that you don’t want to be this guy, and guys who are these guys aren’t pure one note evil, but sad.>zooble’s adviceBe more specific what supposed reach out are you claiming is equivalent to Pomni’s now?
>>153853603You can actually WATCH the whole thing, anon-kun. aHR0cHM6Ly9waXhlbGRyYWluLmNvbS91L1RmeXNLNUwzdecode with base64
>>153853551Gooseworx didn't/doesn't have a good father figureOtherwise TADC wouldn't exist
be honest foidanon. youre getting off to all of thisretard
>>153853601>Caine didn’t suicide and Jax did.Caine was deleted because he actively tortured members for his ego. Jax has been cooperative in last episodes but Kinger's unwanted lore dump abstracted him. They are not same, of course, Caine deserve it more, yet only Caine returned because the plot allowed it.
>>153853613Jax never took a real transformative step and Caine did. Everyone did, but Jax. It’s not too late if you don’t give up and kill yourself. If you do that, it is actually too late sorry, a clussy can’t save you through being really really sad and crying pokemon tears to revive you.
ngl i wish i could turn back time to the moment the leaks dropped and re-live everyone's reaction to jax abstracting then to what happens in the end of the movie
>>153853588>Jax was mentally unstableDamn, so there never would have been a good time to tell them.
>>153853588Kinger was just long gaming his harem all along
>>153853623Thanks, but isn't the leak in Brazilian/Portuguese?
>>153853588Anon kinger during kaufmo abstraction was basically clinically retarded>>153853653Yes but there are subs
>>153853589he should have known better because the digital people he’s trapped with tried to be friendly to him, his personality is just hopelessly inferior when separated from his irl body
>>153853587God it’s disgusting how you treat women like an object. It’s almost like I can imagine how you treat your own mother!
>>153853631>Caine was deleted because he actively tortured members for his egoCaine was deleted due to Kinger making a mistake. One he rectified once hitting rock bottom. Jax never rectified his mistakes, or attempted to atone. His “cooperation” maxed out at living for a few more days than he should have because you’re on active suicide watch, but that can’t keep you going all on its own.
>>153853624I remember her saying in a stream once that her dad's awesome
>>153853546>serial rapist with an innocent sweet girl vibesMost TADC fans are softies who get scared of the N-Word so unfortunately there isn't nearly enough fan content that depicts this ship through this exact lens. This bunnydoll dynamic would be very hot if I ever self-insert as Jax but I don't.
>>153853619i also think his unique trait when holding his breath should be his body spinning like a rolling dice
>>153853638>Jax never took a real transformative stepJax didn't need a real transformative step. He never fell as low as Caine did. He is just a guy with tragic past and want to keep distance from everyone yet feeling bond with Pomni recently. That's hardly as bad as Caine who actively tortured everyone for his fragile pride.
>>153853660 >>153853609
>>153853643>so there never would have been a good time to tell them.Actually, there aren't. It's something better to keep as a secret until it is really really necessary, especially in a digital world where mind break can cause death.
The dichotomy of Caine narcissistically deciding he deserves resurrection and redemption while Jax self-hatingly decides he deserves death reminds me of the conceit of Breaking Bad season 3, which explores the dynamic of someone who's convinced himself he's a good guy (Walt) and someone who's convinced himself he's a bad guy (Jesse)Except executed with zero awareness
>>153853672>Jax didn't need a real transformative stepYes he did and he died for not doing it. THIS right here is where you are confused. He was a deeply sad individual who refused to let anyone in and coped until he couldn’t handle it himself but refused to let anyone help him handle it and… boom, he’s dead.
>>153853641Just check the archive
>>153853660Yeah speaking of mothers, lmao.
We, yes WE, need a dedicated Digital Circus rape roleplay thread
>>153853679>Caine narcissistically deciding he deservesYou’re so far off base with the tone of that scene it’s ridiculous. Are you autistic or are you trolling?
>>153853643Being mentally unstable isn't permanent, he would have stabilised with a bit of time
>>153853661>Jax never rectified his mistakes, or attempted to atoneThere isn't much to atone. His problem was he lacked will to live and connect with others, yet he hugged back Pomni at his rock bottom. The difference is Jax died there and Caine could manage to fly back thanks to his godlike power.
>>153853466Sure but it’s horrible because it’s real, so his entire arc from seeing his behavior as horrible to failing to forgive himself is only 1 episode long, whereas his arc from not seeing it as real to seeing it as real and starting to respond to the experience differently got 7 episodes of focus so the pacing really waters that point down.
>>153853687I have been but it's not the same as being there in real time as we all laugh and laugh
>>153853697We almost had one but foidanon decided to have cold feet.
God why can't they just release the episode already i wanna watch this shit so i can argue but i don't wanna watch this shit with subs
>>153853697Bring on the Gangle Tangler
>>153853103DO YOU WANT THE BOW CAINE? THE BOW IS YOURS, CAINE! JUST TELL ME! I'LL SUCK YOUR FUCKING DICK! DO YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL FUCKING EAT YOUR SHIT! I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE CIRCUS!
>>153853683He literally opened his mind to Pomni in the end. If things went same to Caine he should've been completely erased when he decided to move le evil blue AI from himself.
Wow, Jax you really arent taking this news well. I dont think you should be alone right now. We dont have to talk if you dont want to, but please let me stay with you
Gangle and Zooble fucked in the end but you know she still shlicks to Ragatha in private
>>153853672>That's hardly as bad as Caine who actively tortured everyone for his fragile pride.Jax did this in every single episode. It was his most prominent trait as a character.
>>153853613Oh fuck off. Jax wasn't taking the fucking right direction, he was doubling down on being a toxic piece of shit all the way.
>>153853708>There isn't much to atoneAre you high? He pushed away and hurt everyone. He contributed to Ribbit’s abstraction.>His problem was he lacked will to live and connect with othersHe REFUSED to be his authentic self and let others in. Pomni forced herself as he was dying and he expressed regret. That’s not change.Jax’s rock bottom was the start of episode 9. By the time he was abstracted the irreversible had been done.
>>153853665 >>153853697 I’m not getting Raped! Honestly you people have NO decency around here!
>Jax Rapes RagathaWhat about Ribbit?
Still trying to make sense of the song choice
>>153853724if i hypothetically was foidanon and i were to theoretically make a thread on a board that allows actual porn what board should that be
I wish i was good enough at larping as characters to do this stuff but my mind always blue screens when i have to think what a character would say
>>153853731>in the endAlready dead. Took an Amazing Digital Suicide Note to be vulnerable at all and I’m sorry you can’t come back from that.
>>153853755*Tackles you and pins you onto the ground*What was it that you were saying?~
Rapetha
>>153853755I love you Ragatha and would never rape you. Happy for your big W in episode 9 by the way!
>>153853742Not even similar to Caine.
Reminder to make sure every Jaxfag kill themselves the same way he didEveryone is better off without themIt's what Gooseworx would have wanted, we can't go against her wishes
>>153853766>>>/trash/ or >>>/s4s/ if you're feeling funny
>>153853763Can't be rape because Ribbit wanted it
>>153853708>There isn't much to atone.He drove two of his friends to suicide and his entire schtick was trying to bully the other characters into doing the same. That's pretty fucked up.
haha ragatha will never escape her abusive mother lol
>>153853785Only because Jax didn't have admin privileges, otherwise he would have done worse than Caine
>>153853794The finale literally stated that she left her mother.
>>153853764It’s meant to be sad and a celebration at the same time. Is Jax lovely? He’s a pitiful creature, but a lot of us enjoyed having him around. What do you think? Isn’t she lovely?
>>153853771Anon has a point that it is unfair that Jax has less of a gray area between dead and alive than Caine, I just don't see why anyone should care.
>>153853787>making a whole thread just to rpThere's a good chance that you get your shit pushed in for booting a thread off the bottom just for two people to do rp
>>153853746>He pushed away and hurt everyone. He contributed to Ribbit’s abstraction.No, you don't abstract because you hurt someone. The only thing matters in the end is he is hurting himself. That he lost will to live. That he is afraid of being friend. Yet in the end he hugged back Pomni and cried he wants to live... yet he died.>By the time he was abstracted the irreversible had been doneSo his rock bottom was offscreened, just calling it irreversible and that's it? That's not a rewarding ending does, unlike what Caine got who fucking reversed console delete.
>>153853172I like this ship a lot desu. It’s a treasure to see.
lmao remember this shit
>>153853804It’s not unfair when you consider that Jax had a greater support structure and amount of time to atone and he did not. Jax did the irreversible. Caine got a second chance and unlike Jax’s many chances he did not blow it.
>>153853764Don't let the postman's he/they fool you into thinking he actually figured it all out, this whole thing reeks of gender.
>>153853799His whole memory in that scene was about him being with Pomni, so it means Pomni is lovely.
>>153853613You can have flaws as long as they’re not the wrong ones for the situation
>>153853805I mean she was asking for suggestions, and I simply provided. Truth be told someone can just tell her to flick her bean to some abusive Jax content, no roleplay needed.
>>153853811lol
>>153853774I guess I put myself in this situation... Didn’t I?
>>153853804Caine was never alive.
You know why was Caine still even to function after being deleted?
>>153853792>He drove two of his friends to suicideHe isn't responsible to that as much as everyone else aren't responsible to anyone's abstraction.
>>153853795Jax not having admin privileges is a significant difference though. His IRL counterpart didn’t lose it without the others while being helpless in the digital world broke him even with them offering to be friends.
>>153853795Great power comes with big responsibility, yet it seems like Caine took smaller responsibility.
>>153853830Neither was Jax lol
MmmMFH
>>153853813I guess on screen there were at least two occasions he was probably about to abstract before being stopped, and instead of talking about how poorly he was doing he just passively kept living a bit longer.
>>153853829Yes you did. *lifts up your dress and pulls down your cute floofy bloomers* Don't worry, I won't make this last long, unless you want it to ~
>>153853832Plot armor.
RIBBIT RAPED ME>b-but she's a wholesome Mormon girlNO SHE'S NOTSHE'S A SUCCUBUS SHE RAPED ME
https://x.com/i/status/1945953980317602093
>>153853813>greater support structure and amount of timeThe support structure of the other randos Caine was torturing, which started before Jax got there?
>>153853808>No, you don't abstract because you hurt someoneRibbit abstracted in part because of what he did. And what he was doing to the others was definitely not helping their mental state.>The only thing matters in the end is he is hurting himselfIncredibly fucked up thing to say about a hypothetical Jax redemption story.>Yet in the endAfter killing himself. You’re asking why him being slightly vulnerable in his cinematic equivalent of a suicide letter he can’t be wished back to life. He faced the consequences of his choices.>So his rock bottom was offscreenedNo we see it the first time he almost abstracts, and then right before it at the top of episode 9. It was established as irreversible and it remained that way from episode 1.>that’s not rewardingThe ending isn’t just about Jax. Jax met a tragic fate, the one he was headed towards, while the other characters improved their lives, because they did the opposite of Jax.
>>153853805im a total tard and unasare of site etiquette that being said i want jax to push my shit in and theres a thread about it right here if anyone else does too >>>/trash/83002051
>>153853811She did in the final episode.>>153853817Definitely not shot that way nor does it make any sense to celebrate Pomni to punctuate his death.
>>153853858RIBBIT SUCKED THE SOULS OUT OF ME
C-CA-AINEe... AHHUGHHH- *stuffing comes out of my intersection*
brazilian ribbit's voice mogs anything glitch could've ever gotten for the english voice cause holy shit
>>153853832His files weren’t corrupted they were just sent into the void. He didn’t give up he was just sent to the recycle bin. Two completely different states erroneously being conflated to be the same thing.>>153853861Yes.
>>153853863>>The only thing matters in the end is he is hurting himself>Incredibly fucked up thing to say about a hypothetical Jax redemption story.That’s the canon Caine redemption story.
>>153853811Ragathugs. Apologize to Goose RIGHT NOW.
>>153853889>he was just sent to the recycle binCommand lines don't send things to the recycle bin and files can't run after being deleted like that, even if they're still technically recoverable.
>>153853851Exactly. Jax was on the rock bottom already and hid his problem and tried to thug it out which can’t keep you going for long.>>153853890Not at all, Caine addressed everything he was doing to harm the others and apologized for what he did. The exact opposite of Jax.
>>153853864Crazy how it took until now for there to be a (potential) /trash/ side-general for TADC.
If Zooble weren't around Jax would probably have gotten Gangle to abstract too
I don't speak strange spanish. Did Jax really tell Kaufmo to enjoy going crazy?
I knew normie would be furious about Jax suicide, it was done in the most cruel and fucked up way possible, 2/3 of the movie is just super long suicide note... gooseworx deserves the hate desu, you cant just a use fav characters and not give the a chance for redemption WHILE PSYCHOTIC CAINE GOT ONE
>>153853907kinda? he "going crazy" is the dub's translation for "abstracting" they just call it "going insane" Kaumo basically said ribbit was gonna make jax kill himself lol
we never got this scene because goose never have them interact ever again after ep6.... FUCKING... ahh im over it no am not.
>>153853899And AGI/Virtual worlds/brainclones don’t exist. The point is that being banished to the void and abstracting are fundamentally different states. Had caine abstracted and been saved by the power of Pomni really wanting to save him then it would be bullshit. But we’ve known you can return from the void since episode 1.
>>153853907Probably not literally in reality, but that's how he remembers it and it probably isn't too far from the truth.
>>153853903there was an anon that tried it like a month ago iirc
>>153853873>>153853895she literally did nothing
>>153853907He said "have fun being crazy"
>>153853864You’re definitely not a real woman
>>153853917This but with kinger and jax
So Pomni just really liked red and blue as a color scheme and there was no in universe meaning?
>>153853832He’s inherently superior due to his power in the digital world
>>153853921She trusted Pomni and achieved bestie status. She talked about a rough topic with Pomni without sugarcoating it. She let herself cry over the fallen world and then pick herself up and rebuild.
huh... apperantly theres new TADC merch at target and one of em is my wife, Evil Ragatha.... gonna go pick one or 3 up tomorrow
>>153853917Even in the fucking flashback, Ragatha's offer to be a shoulder for Jax to lean on gets cucked by Kaufmo doing the exact same fucking thingThere are so many redundancies in this story that prevent anything from actually having follow through, it's unreal. Literally everything that makes Ragatha interesting is duplicated onto someone else so she's forced to just sit there.
>>153853931As the protagonist she was the choicemaker. She chose to uplift everyone and they built a better future because of it. One Jax refused to be a part of unfortunately.
honestly i think that the ending is perfect fix-it-fic material and i can't wait for the fandom to fail to make even a single good fic that takes place post-ending that isn't just a fluff or angst oneshot
>>153853953the episode we made a few threads ago about caine and the others helping make gummigoo's village real was pretty fun
>>153853953Fix what? Muh Jax redemption?
>>153853888She doesn't sound how i imagined her to sound like to be honest but its a good VA
>>153853945Evil Ragatha and Evil Pomni spitroasting Jax and then Evil Jax.
>>153853901>Caine addressed everything he was doing to harm the others and apologized for what he did.The whole existence and their mind, and the pain caused from his circus is his fault. Not to mention Kaufmo and Scratch's abstraction. Caine is far more guilty than Jax.
>>153853953There’s nothing to fix but it’s ripe for fun adventures and shipping so I’m sure post-ending will be a popular setting.
>>153853888she sounds like a soft innocent russian gal
>>153853913>>153853924Thanks, Anons.
>>153853971that is a weird thing to say and want
>>153853953AU ideaPomni finds that she can explore Jax's abstraction in her dreams, and sees his memories. She finds his memories of him, and they are offwhen he throws her out of the truck she says"You asshole! Ragatha was right about you!"During their fight she says"You're scared, scared that you'll cry like a girl, and everyone will know you're a little bitch"etc and she starts to doubt his other memories
>>153853983I don't want it, it was a warning
>>153853953>fluff or angstThis is my problem with the finale, it felt like it WAS the fluff and angst post-fic
>>153853948Ragatha is a fucking joke at this point because nobody asked help from her. Heck, Ribbit didn't invite her to their cafe meeting nor their nighttime picnic. And who's with Ragatha? Kinger! But apparently they weren't close given Ragatha didn't know Kinger becomes sane in darkness after 9 years, so she never visited Kinger's pillow fort.
>>153853983Then Gangle and Zooble and Bazooble get involved some how on the Jax-pounding.
Isn't
I wish i was Jax so i could fix it all
>>153853973>The whole existence and their mindAddressed, he will do all he can to make it the best existence he can give them, which first of all is giving them agency. He also shows them the life they thought they lost (in reality they were born in the circus) and after that closure they choose not to identify with those people but embrace the life they were born into. You do not choose your parents or your reality, sorry. The abstractions were given the most humane area they could have, where everyone can honor them and remember them.Forgiveness is the other side of redemption, and he does all he can, so they forgive him. That’s that.
>>153853918Honestly i think that deletion just sending you to the void is kind of a cop out anyways. It's a cheap set up too since they build it up in 8 as if he's completely gone and then he just comes back, to the point where they kind of do try and treat both abstraction and deletion as death before just saying in the last episode that only one of these is actually death.
>>153854006That time anon was reborn as Jax and didn’t fuck everything up and got a harem
>>153854014You can feel that way if you want, abstraction was set up and what happened to Caine was new and a cliffhanger.
>>153853998Ragatha grew and won everything she wanted.
>>153853910My friend who watched the leak said the same thing. When Pomni and Jax hugging, crying, everything engulfed in light, Big Tops come and say "you weren't going to handle this alone, we'll do it together" he thought they all do something to recover him. But then they made a dog house and locked Jax there. He said it was super discouraging and unsatisfying. Also a 'happy ending' after this scene was not only gross but also scary.
>>153854015Yes! I can finally see myself actually doing that, I would fix it all and plow ribbit in her room 24/7 while im dressed like a cute maidUhhhhhhhhhh
>>153853973You have to leave context out of it and compare Jax and Caine’s actions like they were equals in the same situation with the same amount of capabilities to influence their environment in order to truly measure the weight of their souls. Jax was bad because he chose to fail under more stress, Caine was good because he chose to put in more effort using his superior power and freedom
>>153854031Your friend got filtered by a sad thing happening in a show
>>153854034I don't think a spoiler is enough for that playa....
>>153854020Deletion was arguably set up with Gummigoo and reinforced with Abel.
>>153854044and many more will follow, its a fucked up ending to a character and feels very harsh
>>153854049Gummigoo came back too though
>>153854020Gummigoo was the first and only meaningful NPC
>>153854061There’s plenty of dumb teens and emotional children out there but not everything can cater to them. It’s harsh because what happens to people like him is harsh. Don’t be Jax.
>>153854064A Gummigoo came back, but not the one from episode 2. If anything that foreshadows someone loading a backup of Caine.
>>153854042Jax died when he hugged back Pomni because he has no power return from 'death' despite he built more bond over the episodes.Caine lived because when he removed his le evil twin he has power to return from 'death' despite he became more and more stubborn and dangerous.Caine lives and Jax dies is far from educational because all that Jax lacked at the right moment was an ability to revive.
>>153854020>what happened to Caine was newMaybe you could say to the setting, but the concept of deleting something being a finality is a conclusion that 99% of people would come to. Especially from the command prompt. if the show wanted to say that it wasn't all doom and gloom for Caine then they should have picked something different than deleting him, because it just seems to me that they wanted to have their cake and eat it too with the "caine is dead" moment
Why are you people talking about rape?
>>153854083Why arent you?
>>153854083They're saying Gangle toched Jax and that's why he abstracted
>>153854061The storm will arrivr in 11 days, and more will come 2 weeks later then.
>>153854061that’s because your friends are big babies like Jax who needed to be taught a lesson
>>153854075Your issue is conflating the two states as the same thing when they aren’t presented as such. Caine was exiled and redeemed himself. Jax killed himself and then left an interactive suicide note.The message holds because Jax had every chance and blew it. Caine had a second chance and didn’t.
>cums in all of your mouthsheh
>>153854083Jax did things
>>153854080Yes they wanted the twist of an uncertain fate to give the ending stakes, but they also didn’t want to prematurely end Caine’s clearly set up arc and this was how they executed it.
>uwwaahhh...
>>153854093So this is the stage we are getting. Even when people who watch the show say it is unsatisfying and discouraging these people keep repeating "why can't you get it?" as if that makes people satisfied about dogshit ending. Such attitude won't change anything.
>>153854095Please masturbate before posting or keep your lust directed towards the characters instead of the other posters... and eat more fruit
usually people lut for the hot femanon
>>153854075I know Caine abused Jax for years and killed everyone who cared about him while going lalala i cant hear you to Zooble saying that was fucked up but he quickly got over it after facing 1 consequence so hes just a better person
>>153853033Are you still doing it or?
>>153854113The ending isn’t dogshit, it’s emotionally challenging, and naturally not everyone can handle that.
>>153853008I would be totally fine with it if they would do the ending properly.They created a fake positive ending with Caine returning. They pussied out.
>>153854080>temporarily sending Caine to the void makes the circus turn monochrome and decay like they just killed the Zone Guardian
>>153854111Yes dear?
>>153854113But it feels good to talk down to you about the cartoon and you aren’t happy with my words, so I know I’m right
>le misery porn is emotionally challengingfuck off lmao
>>153854094Caine stayed in circus longer and obviously had more people who are willing to give their opinion. Zooble complained about it numerous times but he ignored. Most importantly, Caine doesn't feel guilty like Jax about contributing to the abstraction.So we learn new things. Caine survived not only because he has godlike power, but also he doesn't 'dying' from mental stress, and he doesn't feel sorry about what he was doing the whole time. So here's a lesson, for your mental health, have power, immortality, and psychopathic remorselessness.
>>153854144Caine’s redemption does not detract from Jax’s tragic end. The contrast between the two makes the message even clearer.
>>153854109>uncertain fateWell that's the problem, for most what happened to him would not be seen as an uncertain fate, that would just be it. As i said, if they wanted his fate to be "uncertain," they should have picked something else than him getting deleted, because as is it comes off as a very Cheap Trick
>>153854152Owning our opinions as such is too vulnerable. Be Jax.
>>153854152>it’s le misery porn because seeing bad thing happen gives me the yucky fuckies noooo ;_;Sorry, sad = bad is a child’s opinion.
>>153854173nta but what specific projection to make onto a three word anon comment
>>153854173You just outed yourself as a kidkek
>>153854158Jax's guilt is meaningless if he does nothing to change his behavior and instead just gets worse. Caine fucked with Scratch's head so bad he abstracted, and Caine never did that again.
>>153854173i don't understand why you think that this is the only emotional ending that we've experienced in our lives
>Kaufmo wants to leave so bad he conjures an exit door and goes insane>Kinger dismisses him>Kinger knows about conjuring>Kinger knows there's no exit>Kinger hangs out lucid in his pillow fort all day wilfully not talking to anyone or calling out to let them knowWhy would Jax do this?
>>153854158Caine was never challenged to that degree that we actually see. And when confronted in the way Jax has been multiple times, he grew up. Jax didn’t. The lesson is to not live like Jax, or your next mistake may be your last. The show is obviously not saying what you’re reaching very very hard to try to make it say.>>153854162It’s an all is lost how do we get out of this narrative trick for sure.
>>153854186Caine went on to fuck with 11 other people’s heads so bad they abstracted
>>153853953i was thinking of a fix it fic idea that just turns into a battle shonen lol
>>153854180This guy has been posting for hours.>>153854182>no uPitiful>>153854190Because that’s how some of you are acting about it and it’s really strange. Unhealthy attachment to Jax?
>>153854186>and Caine never did that again.Kaufmo was abstracted because of fake exit Caine made. And how did he react? "Into the cellar you go!" Meanwhile Jax cried in self-hate because he didn't give a friendly advice to Kaufmo the day before he abstracted. He had to feign he doesn't care just to keep sanity.Yet somehow you're saying Jax was responsible to Kaufmo's abstraction Caine was better.
People saying Jax would rape the girls missed out the point of his fantasy with Gangle. Could doesn't mean he would. He doesn't have the courage to do so and his fantasies are often childish due to immaturity on how he learned to handle problems on the first place.People are reading it wrong on why he has keys for everyone's rooms and forgetting he was raised through tough love by his mom, it's how he acts through the limited lens of how he can show it while having a barrier on not being vulnerable, ergo, feminine. There wasn't malicious intent on having keys around, just a manner of concern and guilt.Similarly, it's how he handled being choked by Pomni, while he wanted payback for it, he wouldn't raise a hand against him thanks to his traumatic experience about his mom.Ironically enough, Toxic portrayed the topic well on how he'd handle sex around others, the conjuring part wouldn't change much aside him trying go fuck around with people's assets and maybe, at worst, mastubate about it later.Deep down, he's a weak cowardly pansy, that's the point.
>>153854203>Caine was never challenged to that degree that we actually see.So you're saying Caine is okay because he took everyone's anger and death as a buzzing of insects until they sting?
>>153854161Everybody was fine even before Caine returned, because they adapted and stick together. We did not need the "you have to change" message from Caine again, because everybody else already did it.
>>153854225It’s mostly shitposting or a foid getting wet over it. He wouldn’t rape anyone, sex is too intimate of an act.He might cum in their food or something.
>>153854203>Caine survived because he had>No, Caine survived because he had godlike power
>anon creates a boogeyman in his head and assumes its some random anonmany such cases
>>153854161It does though, there are parallels to Caine and Jax. It's one of the reasons the two got along somewhat well compared to the others.
>>153854233I’m saying that once Caine made contact with the humans on their level he changed, and Jax refused multiple times.>>153854238Caine had redeemable aspects to his character and was redeemed by embracing them. Caine’s story was so obviously not over, and to do two refusals to change would be overkill. No reason not to tie up his loose end like they did with every other character, down to Zooble wanting sex or Gangle drawing or Ragatha’s ability to have a meaningful relationship with someone. Not everything worth doing is strictly necessary.
Endless Jaxfag atomization. Eternal GummiGOD triumph.How's that medicine, Jaxxyboi? Bitter? Get used to it! Ha!
>>153854216Sounds like a failure of imagination
>>153854267You are forgotten, on the other hand Jax will be forever remembered
>>153854247Your position is just not compatible with the point of the story or what was conveyed. Truly an eagles flying to mordor level “criticism”.>>153854251How is that a point for it detracting from his end?
So Jax was a female to male tranny?
>>153854279Jax was an ambiguous identity confused something. It doesn’t matter what it was specifically, just that he never let himself be vulnerable.
>>153854273>Jax will be forever rememberedAs the biggest cuck in tadc lmao
>>153854274How is Caine’s godlike power irrelevant to him changing when it was the method and means? You don’t need to make anons into your OCs to be right, just be you.
>>153854286Caine didn’t change because of his powers. He changed because he saw the error of his ways and decided to do it. Jax could have too, and didn’t.
>>153854289You’re doing great, so why would Caine do that while Jax didn’t?
>second place getting uppity againBe nice.
>>153854305Because Caine had not embraced his past misdeeds as his sole identity, and didn’t allow his trauma to define who he is or will be. Jax did. Caine took feedback because at the end of the day even though he had a narcissistic God complex he still did want to care for these people. And he realized that to care for these people he had to let go of his status and hangup and brave vulnerability and the possibility of rejection. Jax did not.
>>153854328And why was Caine in a position to do that in the circus, while Jax was only able to do it as a human IRL?
>>153854203>narrative trickit's a bad one. it's like if someone got pushed off a really tall building and everyone like "oh shit, he's really fucking dead, ther's no coming back from that!" and then without any sort of build up to it just revealed that there was some Magic Fallbreak Cushion™ at the bottom. it's bad writing.
>>153854350>Why is Jax different from LeeroyBecause Jax’s death spiral happened because of what happened between him and Ribbit. His trauma was tied to getting close to someone and he couldn’t muster the strength to conquer his demon. In real life, he had not had that same traumatic experience and was able to find his own way to happiness.>Why was Jax different then CaineJax wasn’t strong enough. Caine was. Deciding to live is courage. Jax simply lacked it.
>>153854267Gummiwho?
>>153854360All is lost -> but wait! is a common narrative device with varying degrees of success. The episode needed everything to seem doomed, it’s not amazing but it works.
>>153854274One got redeemed with water under the bridge over just plucking the bad part out which conveniently housed all his bad while one got doomed to be forever fucked over mentally in his personal Hell without proper closure to the othersCaine is like a satire of what could've been with Jax if people were there when it was needed
Its not amazing, but is digital
>>153854388gummibro
>>153854411Jax surviving, and being the one to question just forgiving Caine, before someone points out they are all forgiving him too
>>153854403It's a cheap shot and by no means groundbreaking as ur was sold off
>>153854414But it is circus?
>>153854411One got redeemed for seeking redemption, and one got damned for not doing that. Jax could have changed, and he didn’t.
>>153854424Who?? I don't recall this cereal mascot character...
>>153854430When digital... only circus!
i just remembered people on here say "transphobic" completely unironically
>>153854411You can't even say that because the credits mocks it further by Zooble saying how it'll take a while to trust Caine again just for the credits to portray "me and rhe bestieeee"Narratively speaking, it's goddamn retarded
Transphobic (completely unironically)
>>153854426Specifically Caine’s circumstances? No, not ground breaking. Jax’s tragedy was very boldly executed however and the theme overall is mature and nuanced.
>>153854387>Jax wasn’t strong enough.Yeah Jax was weak because he felt bad about not stopping Kaufmo before he died, and humans can be abstracted under strong stress, and he is not able to return from abstraction.Caine was strong because he feels no guilt toward their abstractions, even if he does it won't abstract him, and he can't be erased by console command.So you need superpower and psychopathic remorselessness to survive.
>>153854432But he did when it was too late though, and what he got rewarded was eternal damnation
>>153854447The credits show that she comes around in the future how is that bad to confirm? Why leave lingering doubt if this is the end and the doubt isn’t part of the message?
The bunny was sorta funny when you think deeply about it
Ayo negas. Where is the new thread?
>>153854403>but it works... if you say so man.
Impossible to be funnier than the wabbit
>>153854462Try to make one if you want
>>153854387So why did that traumatic experience happen? What was so traumatic about the situation that led to that? Why did Caine decide to live, and how was he in a position to make that choice for himself?
>>153852748.
>>153854454Yep, you can take irreversible actions like killing yourself that’s too late to come back from.>>153854451Jax wasn’t strong enough to embrace the idea of other people, vulnerability, or that he could be a better person or be forgiven. He retreated into his clamshell until it killed him. Had he had magic powers it wouldn’t fix his heart. Only Jax, the decider, could do that.
>>153854480>>153854480>>153854480
>>153854449>babbys first IHNMAIMS>groundbreakingBold and brash more like belongs in the trash.
>>153854411Caine still had to consciously let go of the other AI, likely at the cost of some of his previous authority. It's just not explained enough like a lot of the finale.
>>153854457>>153854492 Because there was no accountability and the message comes off as hypocritical when he wasn't even human to begin with It doesn't feel earned, it's like as if during the Pomni going in Jax mindscape she managed to group up all the bad parts of Jax and punt out and he was suddenly a-ok like nothing happened
>>153854482Where in his life would he have gotten that idea that vulnerability would not lead to more suffering? His abusive mom, the controlling Caine, or the seemingly friendly, possibly not real fellow inmates who seem to turn into monsters if they become too vulnerable?
>>153854478>So why did that traumatic experience happen?Jax got vulnerable and then regretted it. Then he pushed away the source of vulnerability until she died.>What was so traumatic about the situation that led to that?Gotta be more specific.>Why did Caine decide to liveI’ll repeat it again, because he realized he didn’t have to be the Caine that he was and that he could be someone else who was better. He didn’t self identify with his mistakes carrying it around like an obligatory piece of his person.>why was he in the positionNot a valid question, his position had nothing to do with his personal courage to make that choice for himself.>>153854488The two rhyme but that’s a reductive way to describe how TADC remixed it.>>153854512There was total accountability, he relinquished his power, apologized and gave them the truth and control over their lives. What did he need? 40 lashes? Forgiveness is the other side of this lesson, there can be no redemption without a willingness to change, AND there can be no redemption without a willingness to forgive.
>>153854522His false beliefs didn’t arise out of thin air, but he had the opportunity to see the error of his ways and ran from help anyway. He chose to give up, nobody else did that to him.
>>153854529>Not a valid question, his position had nothing to do with his personal courage to make that choice for himself.You don’t think people’s circumstances influence their courage? Then why would Jax survive outside the circus? And why wouldn’t Caine have a change of heart before getting deleted, instead of after?
>>153854512>he wasn't even human to begin withNone of them are actually human. Would you say this about a bunch of other stories where AI learn emotions? He already questioned himself enough where him being able to get guilt wasn't too far of a reach.>it's like as if during the Pomni going in Jax mindscape she managed to group up all the bad parts of Jax and punt out and he was suddenly a-ok like nothing happenedThe difference is that another person would be doing that for Jax. It was Caine's call to pull the other AI out, which was a very important detail.It's fair to argue that Caine's redemption was rushed or not truly deserved. These points just don't feel as strong.
>>153854548So he deserved to die because he learned the truth too late to make an informed choice?
>>153854529Because quite literally it was a reduction of IHNMAIMS
>>153854551I think people’s circumstances are not a decider for if you have the will to live.Caine and Jax had equal ability to decide to change. Jax isn’t mentally retarded. He just lacked the willingness to do so.
>>153854568Nope, he had the information necessary to make an informed choice and he chose to thug it out himself because it was easier. Then it caught up to him. He “deserved” what he was willing to fight for, which in his case was nothing.
>>153854529>"but no see, there was total accountability!">misses the point entirely The point is that you can't put the blame on a bad part only and simply move on, pluck it out as if nothing happened, that's not how Caine was sold as, it is hack writing that ends up just a sloppily made excuse
>>153854007underrated post
>>153854559It's a good enough example because it's nonsensical, human or not, since you didn't understand the comparison let me put it as plain as possible It's like using a magic wand to cure someone's mental illness that led him to become a misunderstood villainDo you get it now? It's exactly what happened to Caine, and I'm not even going over how it was sold off on never coming back and them being on their own
>>153854578Caine’s godlike power vs Jax’s abject helplessness is relevant to their experience of agency is my point, not that Jax is a helpless woobie. That was the whole idea with McGangle’s. It’s silly to compare them like it’s a willlpower issue while pretending the will necessary for both was equal. >>153854592>Because it was easierSo now it’s not because Caine did a hard thing to do, but because Jax took the easy route yeah?
>>153854596You can decide to move on and no longer identify with the part of yourself that made those mistakes, be a better person, and atone for what you did. Caine’s digital representation of that process was echoed in Zooble learning to not be the person who needs to be uncomfortable with her body or Ragatha learning to not be the person who has to be positive all the time or micromanage her friends. The whole cast doesn’t need to be the person who they were trying to escape to outside. You can move on, communicate, atone, grow, and live. Jax didn’t need to be his mask. Just because he doesn’t have a sci-fi visual representation of that choice for the sake of visual conveyance doesn’t mean he was being asked of any more than anyone else.
Why is Ragatha able to improve and grow as a person in circus while Jax is unable?
>>153854622Caine’s power has no relation to the choice to change as a person. Jax had the same choice to make as every other character, and he lacked the fortitude to do it. The baseline willingness to own up to your mistakes and grow is the same.>Now it’s notNothing has changed in my argument or what the show did.>Caine did a hard thingYes>Jax took the easier pathAlso yes
>>153854643Jax was able! He just lacked the courage to do it (conscious choice). Ragatha did not.
>>153854649Caine was in a situation where nothing could harm or control him but himself, so he was free to make that choice. When Jax was free to make that choice IRL, he did the same thing.
>>153854631Now that's just a reach to cover up the message conveyed in the end, conveniently trying to tangle with others to cover up how poorly handled was Caine's redemption arc. You refuse to acknowledge that Caine wasn't sold off initially as the happy-go-lucky AI throughout the entire series which makes his new persona come off as dishonest to his characterization. It's why so many people are unhappy how it was handled, it feels out of character and sounds more like fanfiction to properly connect the dots.
>>153854674I think people are confusing their satisfaction with the themes for satisfying writing, which makes sense
>>153854660>Caine was in a situation where nothing could harm or control him but himselfCaine was in a position where his entire purpose for existing had shattered and his worst fear had been realized and he was given a choice. Seek to improve, or don’t. He chose to improve. Jax didn’t.Why are you stuck on the idea that the message is Jax had no choice but to die? That deterministically this was his destiny and the world conspired to kill him? That he has no accountability for his own actions or wellbeing or anything? Because the show never said that.
>>153854689You’re saying that, don’t put it in my mouth. We all would agree there is a difference between someone who shoplifts for fun, someone who shoplifts for need, a one time impulse shoplifter, and someone working full time for a shoplifting ring. Whether we disagree on the distinctions or not, we’re willing to give play to the idea circumstance and context are relevant to crime IRL. There’s no need to erase characters’ differences to judge them as better or worse, when there is more interesting mileage to get out of the dynamics of a situation where complex factors lead to different outcomes, rather than a simplistic fairy tale sin framework.
>>153854674>Now that's just a reachNo reach, that’s what the show did.>poorly handled was Caine's redemption arcIt could have used more time to be optimal, but what they did in that time is not poorly handled.>You refuse to acknowledge that Caine wasn't sold off initially as the happy-go-lucky AIRight with a slow burn other side underneath that revealed itself throughout the story. Establishing him as likable early on works because the story is headed for his climactic crashout and redemption.>dishonest to his characterizationWas set up over time. Every character had layers revealed about them. They are more than their initial impression.>It's why so many people are unhappy how it was handledSpecifically Caine’s side was unfortunately rushed for time. I too find this a valid complaint over the ending and think that Episode 7 was the fat to cut to give all this more room to breathe. Truncated as it was, it didn’t break anything and does work in its suboptimal state.
>>153854716>There’s no need to erase characters’ differences to judge them as better or worseFor specifically the core test and theme of the work, Caine rose to the occasion like everyone else and Jax did not. He did lack the fortitude to change, which is the one “unforgivable sin” in the moral framework of this show. I’m looking at what the story is saying.
>>153854735Yes, which is a weak theme when the difference between choices is determined by power. Which Caine had because he is unkillable and his challenge was to adapt to the world he created himself.
>>153854782It’s not a weak theme at all. So long as you have a conscious mind you can choose to live. Jax had the same base choice as everyone else.>his challenge was to adapt to the world he created himselfHis challenge was to relinquish his power and grow past his insecurities and consider others and be vulnerable and put in the effort to improve. Same level of self work and atonement and will.
>>153854782Ragatha has the exact same amount of power as Jax and has a similar family history to Jax and also has issues in forming relationships, yet she is able to improve and he isn't.
So this whole show was entirely carried by teens and gooners on the spectrum, right?Regardless of what ended up happening in the finale, no one with a fully developed and functional brain thought this series would actually amount to anything. PG13 "I Have No Mouth" written by a tranny, the writing was on the wall.How the fuck did it gather such a large fanbase?
>>153854807>Same level of self workCaine was the torturer rather than the tortured and his worst case scenario isn’t abstracting or even dying at that point, it’s not a similar effort at all. >>153854809“Don’t be Jax, be Caine” works as a message if Jax succumbed or Caine prevailed due to a difference in their choices. It doesn’t work when we see Jax survives if he never meets Caine, the definition of failure is succumbing to the same thing Caine’s other victims did, and Caine survives because he can undelete himself and remake the world using his godlike power. “Don’t be Jax, be Ragatha” would be more effective writing in a universe where Ragatha had a storyline.
lowk wish he wasnt secretly a woman or wtv i want emo twink leeroy to assert how masculine he is on this pussy .... shrugs... at least ragatha's a dyke
>>153853274yeah, but cooper didnt wanted a happy ending for the bnuy
