ep9 pomni editionPrev>>153854480
Don't upload my art to the booru faggots
What if the ending was they shit theor diapers full
Jax is happy with Ribbit. You all can stop coping and crying over him.
>>153856222Pomni just listen to her father figure and tries to defeat Jax with kindness.
>>153856222Total Jaxfag humiliation. Entire GummiGOD victory. How's that medicine? Bitter? Good! Ha!
The story was about a guy who refuses to change vs a girl who refuses to give up on him. Is it really that challenging to accept that the guy who refuses to change didn’t get an ending where he changes? Are you so closed off to the idea of exploring what happens to someone who doesn’t? How is the show better if Jax’s side of the equation crumbles and he gets the same resolution as everyone else? Just a bigger and better version of everyone else’s arc?
>>153856222here's your ep9 pomni
What if Caine stumbled across Thug Hunter when he was stuck in the internet?
>>153856273Pomni is the true villain for keeping Jax from the enlightenment state of abstraction
>>153856248there's a booru?
>you need to tard wrangle jax 24/7 or else youre evil
>>153856253Goose managed to invert most people's issues with SOMA by trying to make me care about a bunch of irrelevant nobodies.>>153856277>Says his name while he walks away and he ignores herAll that needed to be added.
>>153856294this is the process of abstractingonce abstracted it looks like you're just in an endless space haunted by your memories and since jax was a faggot 90% of his memories fucking suck
>>153856270If Pomni's gonna have a WOMAN MOMENT and let a brother down in his hour of need then WHY THE FUCK did we not get a MAN TO MAN Kinger/Jax dad talk?There is so much KINO POTENTIAL that I am so FUCKING MAD at Goose for not doing this.
>>153856277pomni's entire character should be about tending to the abusive self-destructive bpd rabbit's emotional episodes and nothing else
>>153856277>"we're not gonna have you wandering off alone somewhere and abstracting">proceeds to let him do that minutes laterBravo Goose
>>153853033 Anchor
>>153856304If you don’t give him a personal therapy onahole then the ending is bad
I have Gooseworx apologists fatigue.
>>153856276shut your fucking mouth you pseudo intellectual
>>153856275GummiWHO>>153856343
>>153856324yeah, but he also gets to cuck zooble
The problem with the finale is there are so many problems that no one can agree on what the biggest problems are or how to fix them, because there are so many different routs that would essentially result in entirely different episodes and entirely different theses of the entire show.Pick any arbitrary factor, and there's a way to make it work. The point is just that it currently doesn't.
>>153856353Can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen, the ending was good.
>>153856276>vs a girl who refuses to give up on him.But she did though?
>>153856212>Preferably throughout the series, Jax's fault in Ribbit's abstraction is heavily foreshadowed and we actually get a hint of the fucking insane cruelness that we saw in the final episode, which is then paid off by the actual flashback>However, as Pomni explores his memories, she realizes that Bubble was spying on the original conversation that Jax and Ribbit were having>When the viewer realizes this, it pans to the real Jax behind Pomni who had been watching her>He realizes how badly he fucked up, how it wasn't even Ribbit's fault, and we get the whole scene of Pomni trying to comfort him, but he's really breaking now for an understandable reason>It's too late for him, and he abstracts (no retarded flashbang, holy fuck that is easily one of the worst parts of the final episode)>However, despite that, we get a proper mirroring of the Kinger-Queenie scene, where Pomni stays by his side After that you can fade to a scene with the rest of the gang, but that's how I'd fix the Jax part. The Caine stuff, I honestly don't know, I don't really give a shit about Caine and I don't know how I'd make it interesting. His return only benefited two scenes, one of which genuinely being really good, while the other technically didn't need him actually being there, so I don't know.>>153856285I think I get what Goose was trying to do, but it just doesn't work if Jax isn't saved afterwards, it just spoils the climax. It was more effective with Queenie's abstraction.
>>153856353Contrarians will be contrariansThat's how it always has been in 4chan, they'll keep making as many hoops as possible to justify shoddy writing as long it "owns" someone they hate
>>153856367Keep barking>>153856383That’s a lot of words to say nothing specific at all.
>>153856276She did give up on him and then he changed into a dog. Did we watch the same show?
>>153856353I feel gross that she got everyone to participate in this shit when she knew where it was going, while all the normal people assumed "if she's joking this openly about killing him, surely that means it's all in good fun and she won't actually kill him, at least not in an extremely gratuitous fashion"
>Does literally nothing since episode 3>Wins How did she do it bros?
>>153856383The show 100% succeeded at what it wanted to do people are just throwing a bitchfit because they wanted a rugpull
>>153856386Your wet fart isn't a oven.
>>153856276For me, the balance wasn't right. They should've fleshed out the positive change examples, particularly Ragatha, much more.
>>153856420The stupid sauce
>>153856420I wouldn't call being irrelevant winning
>>153856399No Ragatha hug therefore it sucks and I hate it.
>>153856270>Jax knows he's loved and wanted but abstract anyway>Caine realises he's hated and not wanted and comes back to fix everythingDoes Kinger ever get anything right?
>>153856420When your writer is Gooseworx then being ignored is a blessing.
>>153856395>>153856416Nope, he gave up on himself.>>153856404>buzzwordNot an argument. And it’s not about owning, we’re talking about the show. And you don’t get to claim majority opinion lmao
>>153856222i say this with all my heart that if they made jax sacrificial??? there would be ZERO hate from how it ends and instead hate would be coming from lorefags (c&a, who tf is bubble, scratch, etc...)
>>153856459They both gave up on him darling, it’s not one or the other
>>153856445jax was the most relevant and he went in the cucktent
>>153856404Very true, I've seen so many people try to damage control it over the justification of as long Jax gets fucked over everything else is fine and dandy
Last week, Kit from Gameoverse had less than 100 pieces on r34.Today, she's at 2,775. That's more than half of Ragatha and Jax's totals. And she's getting at least 300 new pieces every day. She just isn't slowing down at all.She's going to surpass them soon enough, and then her sights will be on Pomni.
>>153856432Okay, that’s something. I too feel like Ragatha was missing some meat mid-series, but I felt like they got the beginning and end right. Do you agree or is there something more you needed at the end?>>153856471Sweetie pie she did all she could.
>>153856371GummiBVLL
I wouldn't have had Jax include Pomni in his little tirade in ep 9, instead I would've had him go after Gangle. And I'd have him either confirm that the last thing she saw before entering the Circus was the truck or that she had gone to the C&A building to commit suicide, which Gangle had told him in trust back when she thought they were friends. It would've cemented Pomni becoming sick of him for a little bit and would've been a bit of fucked up irony considering Jax thought he couldn't trust Ribbit with his secret.
>keep barkingI always knew Ragathathugs were fake wholesome bitchesYou are were always cruel sociopathic bitches under that nice persona huh?
>>153856304>Rest of the cast is in arguably good spirits >Circus is getting fixed>They're all in it together and agreed they should include Jax>Pomni especiallySee, I think it makes complete sense for them to not watch over Jax if the situation had mentally fucked everyone else as well, but everyone was doing peachy by the time Jax abstracts, which is one of the biggest issues with the ending. If there were some actual stakes, then it'd work just fine with having him walk away.>>153856453Ragatha hug can still happen, when they realize they can actually fix the Circus and it's a big emotional moment rather than "oh yeah, we can just do that".
>>153856276>The story was about a guy who refuses to change vs a girl who refuses to give up on him.But that means nothing for Pomni. She's literally just a random chill person who tried, she's not really affected by the outcome and gets nothing out of it.Ragatha on the other hand is someone who takes Jax's downfall as her personal failure, she's the sort of person where learning to let go would resolve two arcs.Instead it's just "Jax fumbled a tailor made therapist gf because he just sucks that hard," it's just kinda boring and one note.
Ragapom won btw
>>153856478Gameoverse is going to be more relevant to pop culture at large than TADC is
>>153856478If Glitch won't give me good writing, then the least it can do is give me sexy cat girls.
>>153856273LOL how would all those artists think about it? 30 minutes of Pomni venturing inside abstracted Jax's mind file with no avail? Jax is gone and everyone celebrate the ending laughing maniacally? These dedicated fans' reactions will be priceless.
>>153856459>you don't get to claim majority opinionPFtttt HAHAHA HE IS IN TADCverse alright Gooseworx is getting dogpiled on daily over the shitty ending this isn't an opinion but a fact, those that "defend" it isn't even over the finale itself but feeling bad for her How high are you in your own farts?
>>153856516LOL
>>153856454>Caine goes crazy because he thinks he's unwated and hated. Wanted to be seen like the humans see each other. Has a freakout and dies. When given his second chance, he doesn't waste it.>Caine also tried to make sure people were felt wanted and loved despite being a broken retard.>Jax is given tons of love and people make sure he feels wanted. Refuses to change or accept it. When given many second chances, he wastes it.>Jax never makes anyone feel wanted or love because he's a broken retard.
>>153856521They already did that
>>153856491No, I think the finale was good, and the broad strokes of the story were good. Episodes 7/8 was where the ball dropped imo. The character drama fell to the wayside in favour of le epic fakeout and caine torture.
>>153856504It's the gumminigger doing damage control after his cereal mascot got shoveled to the side and forgotten.
i wanna marry ragatha
>>153856503That would be really interesting >>153856404For discussion contrarianism is great, but the “owning” and other forms of avoidance is clown college slop
>>153856478how much of that is slop being pumped out to hop on the new popular thing?
Man she was right about EVERYTHING.
>>153856503>would've been a bit of fucked up irony considering Jax thought he couldn't trust Ribbit with his secret.Yeah, I could get behind this. He's already teased blackmailing Gangle about "the figurine thing" and (in extras) her "blue sketchbook" so there's clearly an element of projection in his paranoia.I think coming after Pomni has the advantage of her centring her own feelings in a healthy way rather than being this perfect altruistic angel, but it's still a good angle.
>>153856276>The story was about a guy who refuses to change vs a girl who refuses to give up on him.No? If it was such story then Jax should abstracted while Pomni was watching, trying to stop him. Instead he abstracted while Pomni forgot about him when Kinger suddenly dumped the most shocking and unwanted lore ever. When Pomni entered Jax's mind again he hugged back Pomni and cried he wanted to return but the show gives us big fuck you and didn't allow him return.
Remember when Ragatha was confirmed to not be a major character, and so much of the fandom was dogpiling on Ragatha fans?>"It's Goose's show! She can write it however she wants!"I wonder if they still think that now.
>>153856567she is too busy munching on pomnis pussy, sorry!
Mormonfrogs LOSTSchizo clowns LOSTTranny bunnies LOST
>>153856511>But that means nothing for PomniShe was definitely affected by it, did you see her reaction to Leeroy?>Jax fumbled a tailor made therapist gf because he just sucks that hardEeeehhhh he fumbled multiple therapists including Ragatha in the past. It’s less about that and more about what refusing to participate or grow does to a person. But okay if your issue is the show should have merged Pomni and Ragatha into a single character that’s a serious under the hood tweak.>>153856531Don’t care what faggots on twitter are doing, and the episode isn’t even officially out yet.
Pomni isn't allowed to have her own emotional struggles and should ONLY care about Jax
>>153856588If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Goose's Jax obsession hurt the show.
>>153856574I've combed through it, surprisingly most of it is legit drawings. She's just an incredibly popular FOTM.
>>153856553Yes, but there needs to be more.
I thought Jax was going to try to strangle Ribbit during the snow scene
Why have Gumigo realize he isn't real? He never shows up as a character after ep4 and all of his character development is gone. Couldn't you achieve the same effect in episode 4 by having him just forget episode 2? Pomni is excited to see him, but he doesn't remember her.
>>153856600YEAH. She should also be constantly pregnant with his freaky rabbit offspring.
>>153856598And redditAnd blue skyAnd discordAnd pixivAnd other boardsBut yeah, no sure, lil anonymous in 4chan /co/ said he likes it therefore everyone shouldDelusional faggot
>>153856600Also Ragatha, but don't give as much time to that so you're left doubting the sincerity of it until the end
>No art of Pomni having sex with Abstracted JaxFor shame.
>>153856613He wasn't into choking before Ep 6
Done the story board for chapter one of my comic about Pomni being unable to cope with Jax's death and talking to the abstraction , creeping everyone out
>>153856619Anon...are you real? like are you sure?
>>1538565547 is the biggest stumble in the series for absolute sure. For a series that already had too lean of runtime that is a real mistake.>>153856582>while Pomni forgot about himThat’s not a thing that happened. She was there and he couldn’t reach out, then he crawled in a hole and killed himself.
>>153856419>while all the normal people assumed "if she's joking this openly about killing him, surely that means it's all in good fun and she won't actually kill him, at least not in an extremely gratuitous fashion"I mean, just look at all those TADC fanarts. How many of these are about Jax permanently abstracted and how many of these are Pomni saving Jax? It was evident what fandom expected and hoped throughout the show, and what Goose did was far below their expectations.
Jax gave Pomni the ick here.Saving bad boys is only worth it if they act like they don't want it.He deserved death.
>>153856613I def think that he might've shoved her between that cut of them fighting to her standing quietly away from him.
>>153856598>Eeeehhhh he fumbled multiple therapists including Ragatha in the past.Ragatha's got her own issues though, even Gangle won't do a therapy session with her lol>But okay if your issue is the show should have merged Pomni and Ragatha into a single character that’s a serious under the hood tweak.Pretty much. This show has a lot of major issues.
>>153856444It permanently destroyed her brain cells.
>>153856607She could have still made the show about Jax without completely neglecting every other character.And while she's obsessed with Jax, she's for some reason not obsessed with fleshing out his relationships with the other characters, despite how much potential they had.His relationships with both Ragatha and Gangle felt really underexplored in the finale.
>>153856633It just seems like wasted character development in a time tight show.
Reminder to make sure every Jaxfag kill themselves the same way he didEveryone is better off without themIt's what Gooseworx would have wanted so let's all follow her example
Said it before, but the foundation of the episode is fucked. The fact that everyone got over the brain scan shit immediately and started fixing everything before Jax's abstraction robs the episode of all its stakes. That shit should've been the linchpin of the episode.
>>153856650>be something fundamentally differentOkay, I mean then you’re not talking about the show but a different show you wish you were writing.
>>153856669Wouldn’t an unstable mind like Joker’s be really easy to read? It’s like saying a crumbling fort would be harder to assault than a fortified one.
>>153856643>jax never reached out!literally reaching out for help, finally
>>153856628Is Ragatha able to help her through it or does Pomni completely blow her off despite that running counter to the show's final message
>>153856650Ragatha has a very important role in being a foil to Jax dealing with similar traumas while Pomni is the audience surrogate for explaining and exploring the setting, you can’t merge them without losing something
>>153856593Anon gets to marry Ragatha AND Pomni? Woaw, lucky him
>>153856638I'd feel fine about it if they had a couple more episodes beforehand. Goose didn't give herself enough time to develop the characters and relationships to their full potential, but I think she'd rather just be done with it.
Should I use a megaphone to shout the spoilers during the release day?
>people who relate to Jax will think the message of the show is that mentally ill people are better off dead and their loved ones will have better lives afterwards
>>153856535Eh Caine knew his victims were as real as him all along and simply didn’t care how they felt in his quest for validation until it killed him. Jax was just a cunt with 1 life who couldn’t hack it on Caine’s cellblock.
>>153856680Silent incel staredown and then walking away isn’t reaching out. That was the point of no return by him.
>>153856628wtf is happening in this panel
>>153856638>She was there and he couldn’t reach out, then he crawled in a hole and killed himself.Like I said, if it is about 'a girl who doesn't give up', Pomni should've been with Jax while Jax was abstracting, and tried to stop it. It didn't go that way.
>>153856689Remove zooble, make gangle a sacrifice. Turn jax into the MC and make pomni a second foil that is serious. Then you can write how Pomni and ragatha would interact.
>>153856600Pomni is one of those boring MCs whose role is to affect the other, more interesting characters. And by characters, I mean just Jax.
>>153856706It’s like they can’t step outside of self identifying with Jax and ask themselves what it’s really saying
>>153856445If you are not irrelevant to the main character then you are not irrelevant, and Pomni loves Ragatha <3
>>153856711So truuuuee! Guys that can't just man up and speak their feelings are the worst! They should literally all die teehee
>>153856643>He deserved deathHow's staring deserve death?
>>153856619It’s funny it seemed like the Gummigoo stuff might be relevant to Caine being deleted or something but it never came back
>>153856728You can’t live someone’s life for them. For all she knew, getting too pushy like a Ragatha would make it worse. It was his giving up, not her.
>>153856745It's gross and icky
>>153856466>i say this with all my heart that if they made jax sacrificial??? there would be ZERO hate from how it endsGoose would never, having a sacrificial end would make him too masculine, gotta keep the ambiguous troonjax alive(get it)
The show really wrote itself into a corner at the end of the day. Pomni saving Jax wouldn't have worked because that's a bad message. But "Jax dies in panic, everyone's lives instantly improve once he's dead, and he's happier as a dumb dead dog" is also a terrible message lmaoGoose really just should have watched Bojack Horseman, where the co-dependant stupid piece of shit does the almost-suicide cry for help thing and it's the last straw that burns his caregiver bestie the fuck out. And he has to find a way to carry on without her, knowing that someone cares about him that much and that his self destruction isn't only about him, reckoning with how much he hurts people and realising atonement via death isn't possible, that the only way to stop hurting people is to find a way to live each day choosing not to
am I retarded for wanting more wacky circus adventures instead of the show focusing on Jax
>>153856708>knew his victims were as real as him all along and simply didn’t care how they feltso like jax then but caine changed and jax refused to
>>153856706Not even a Jaxfag and I'm pretty sure it was obviously the point, Gooseworx encouragement on social media on how she's been looking forward for his demise definitely got the point across.
>>153856706That is the message. The creator is a suicide worshiper.
>>153856675Literally ever since Goose said that "someone too stubborn" shit I was worried about this show's bones, yeah. Sometimes a story is fundamentally flawed, and any end result will at best be "just okay"
>>153856735If you’re about to jump off a bridge and die and you can’t call your mom or friend then you will probably jump off a bridge and die. Lesson: call your mom or friend
>>153856535>Caine goes crazy because he thinks he's unwated and hated. >Jax is given tons of love and people make sure he feels wanted. That doesn't change that the outcome of their situations runs counter to Kinger's statement. Caine's second chance comes from Caine deciding to change after everyone hated him so much that his creator accidentally killed him. Jax abstracts because he knew he was loved and wanted and didn't feel he deserved it. Kinger was wrong.
>>153856706We've got a jaxfag doing this shit all the time already.
>>153856706Only if they see it as a cautionary moral tale instead of a fictional adventure
>>153856704https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL5NltsDWX8
Why doesn't Pomni just get Caine to spin up another version of Jax from his brainscan if she's so obsessed about "saving" him?
>>153856754So it's not 'a guy who doesn't change vs a girl who doesn't give up'. It's a guy who is can be changed vs a girl who arrived too late because she was busy fixing the floor.
>>153856770>but Caine changed I feel like that gross misinterpreting has to stop, he didn't change, he just chucked out the bad parts of him that was conveniently all located within the blue AI
>>153856779Kinger wasn’t wrong, relationships are two sided. Jax could not hold up his side.
>>153856775I don't have any friends and my mom would disown me if I told her I was sad
>>153856759>But "Jax dies in panic, everyone's lives instantly improve once he's dead, and he's happier as a dumb dead dog" is also a terrible message lmaoTbh this could've been fixed with like maybe an extra 20 minutes where we get incremental time skips and the gang talking about what happened while at the same time not being afraid to say that yes they are beginning to move on.
>>153856760No. Goose really had so many good concepts here and threw them all away for the sake of femboy whimpering.
>>153856779>That doesn't change that the outcome of their situations runs counter to Kinger's statement.Oh I agree. I just think it's more complex than him simply being wrong.Caine was indeed hurt by not feeling loved or wanted. Jax hurt and killed someone because he made them feel unloved and unwanted.It shows that there ARE situations where he's right but with Jax he was ultimately wrong because Jax was also making people feel unwanted and unloved at the same time.It was more morally complex than Kinger's philosophy suggested for sure.
>>153856770Because Caine was allowed to return to the circus but Jax wasn't.
>>153856792I actually love Ragatha and I'm super glad he got fucked over for eternity Fuck Jax
>>153856803Ridiculous bad faith analysis. You want to be mad and are forcing a square peg in a round hole to justify it.>>153856815Then I’m your friend.
>>153856662Jax's relationships with Ragatha and Gangle are 1000x more interesting than his relationship with Pomni.
>>153856805>Ignores his internal struggle with the blue ai>Also ignores the obvious metaphor of letting go of the toxic parts of yourself to become a better person>Especially when he LITERALLY LETS GO of them and then seeks to make up for what he did to the people he harmedlmao retard
>>153856802Now THAT'S an interesting concept (for a completely different show), doing a Groundhog Day/Eternal Sunshine, bringing your dead boyfriend back over and over again driving yourself crazy trying to find a reality where you really can fix him (you can't)
Needs more OC interactions
>>153856841>bad faith analysisAs opposed to fairy tale analysis...?Sure, let's just ignore all the bad that happened and how it ended up affecting others deeply, but oh, what's that? We got over it already like it was just a cold lolz
>>153856770Jax found out a month before dying that this might be real, and the first confirmation of that was an elaborate prank in which he had the first hope of escape only to learn Caine lied to his face for the millionth time, so no I don’t particularly judge him for acting like he was in a realistic video game to cope and then BSOD’ing in the face of learning he was a horrible friend and will never wake up from this hell. It’s tragic but it’s not because Caine’s a good person or worked very hard at being better lol.
>>153856802Because that wouldn’t be Jax. Just like Leeroy isn’t Jax. Just like Gummitwo wasn’t Gummigoo.
>>153856865As opposed to actually engaging with what the show has to say and did.
>>153856862I was thinking of making a drawing where my OCs suggestion box idea is made into an adventure and other OCs are in it too, but I'm too busy.
>>153856873>Jax found out a month before dying that this might be realAh, you're a deluded Jaxfag who doesn't understand the character he likes.Jax absolutely knew this was real and kept denying it to himself as cope. When faced with Kinger's revelations, he could no longer delude himself and was forced to face reality.
TADC was a good, 7/10 show. The internet doesn't know how to talk about decent but flawed shows, because everything has to be the greatest thing ever, or utter dogshit.
>>153856857>Also ignores the obvious metaphor of letting go of the toxic parts of yourself to become a better personI thought Gangle and Zooble conversation was about trying best to love their weak part, not removing it through brain surgery.
>>153856759I think Goose did watch Bojack, they both did the Ming joke
>>153856908Now you're just being an autist and refusing to understand the EXTREMELY SIMPLE metaphor
>>153856906Exactly 8/10 for me but that’s the exact situation we’re in.
my takeaway from the finale is that people with BPD are insane and should be avoided at all costs
>>153856708Caine cared deeply that they felt that they loved and wanted him until it killed him. Then he learned more about them and started caring about their feelings regardless of how they felt about him.Jax decided to ignore how others felt by pretending they weren't real and ignored chance after chance to change that.
>>153856857>copeA breakdown on a single episode on how he was egged on? By the end of the day, it was Caine doing the torturing. >more cope flavored on metaphor(lmfao)Magic wand with some magic keywords and poof, Caine is another character entirely. No, no, shhh don't look at the man behind the mirror that pulled it off, that's how Caine has always been, so innocent and whimsical.>jumbo copeI get it anon, you want to suck off Caine badly, don't let it affect on the flaws though
>>153856862I would love to but I already feel enough like a leech with how generous everyone is with their free art that I can't really bring myself to ask to be included
All of this discussion is pointless because abstraction is just Goose's fetish. Why did Jax abstract? Because it made Goose's dick hard. Simple as that.
>>153856802I think he can't. I mean, Caine would do that without hesitation if such thing is possible. But he didn't, which means the file is fundamentally corrupted and cannot be restored by Caine.
>>153856935You didn’t substantively address what he said at all
>>153856854It's just crazy right? Half the time spent with Ribbit and Kaufmo could have been spent with Ragatha and Gangle. For being obsessed with Jax so much Goose doesn't even do HIM justice.
>>153856888So you're saying without your fairy tale analysis, gotcha. Let's just look the other way and look at how the wacky characters are interacting in the credits despite the stakes, teehee.
>>153856328>MAN TO MAN Kinger/Jax dad talk?Goose is trans, he's likely never spoken to his father and wouldn't know how to write that
>>153856944Anti-intellectualism fatigue.>>153856960Not an argument.
>>153856953>you didn't reply the way I wanted you to so I could refute!Too bad, so sad.
>>153856908Love your weakness of being a tranny, and then remove your cock with surgery.I think that's the message Goose was going for.Jax didn't want to lose his cock, and so he lost his life.
>>153856903Project whatever you want onto me if you can’t cope with sticking to the subject man, it’s your life. His crisis onscreen and the script spelled this out. A defensive belief system is still a belief system. Things worked out for Caine because he teleported instead of dying. Things didn’t work out for Jax because he faced actual permanent consequences.
>>153856906Consensus will come back around to this when the finale officially comes out and people had a chance to digest it. The show definitely has flaws and it's not high art but it's still an enjoyable time.
ending where Jax barely survives the abstarction but conjures up a jail cell to lock himself in and rejects admin access
>>153856920they’re just pointing out that your logic around this is a circle
>>153856975I see you’ve abandoned the pretense of pretending to have a point and have moved on to the meltdown phase.
>>153856917>takes inspiration from Eva>completely misses the point>takes inspiration from IHNMAIMS>completely misses the point>takes inspiration from Bojack>completely misses the pointIt'd be one thing if she did something new with it all, but goddamn, she really just yoinks some superficial references and singlemindedly zeroes in on how they can be used to torture her favourite twink to death
>>153856978>"Deluding yourself and refusing to accept reality means he totally truly believed it and he can't be held responsible!!!"lmao retard
>>153856970Sad but true. The show was doomed from the start because it was written by a tranny.
woke up smiling knowing she won
>>153856984>Consensus will come back around to this when the finale officially comes out and people had a chance to digest it.People shit and fart after digest. Just wait for the biggest shitstorm this fandom ever saw. Nothing will grow after that.
>>153856973>it's not an argument because I said so!Damn, you really got broken down. Take a break and go outside to chill out.Not everyone thinks your Mona Lisa is flawless, it's okay.
>>153856857>Caine isn't a real character, he is just a metaphor who exists to juxtapose against JaxNow that I think about it you're actually right, lmfao
>>153856998He didn’t say anything wrong.
>>153857015>Mona Lisa out of NOWHEREStop this instant. I'm at work and cannot afford and erection at this time.
>>1538569572, or even 1 more episode to flesh out the character dynamics would've gone a long way.
>>153857004>I see, uhm, uhh projection?FascinatingWhat else do you got?
>>153856998>Anon complains about Caine getting better by removing AI>Point out how he's a retard for not understanding the extremely unsubtle metaphor of giving up and letting go of your toxic parts to grow as a person>Anon repeats himself>"He's just saying your logic is circular"okay man
>>153857015>>153857035This isn’t an argument either. Guess you’ve given up. Concession accepted.
>>153857041is it not a metaphor when he actually manually removed it? Jax can't just conjure away the bad parts of himself now
>>153857045>uhh, you conceded, right?!Sure, sport, whatever makes you less frustratedHopefully you can let adults talk without acting like a hipster for not getting it on the 2deep4u way you did
>>153856478and how many fan arts of annoying dinosaur, robot and dolphin? Game Grump shit won't get far on coomers alone. The main ingredient is the Jax/Alastor/Zuko tumblr man. Not the attractive Pomni MC.
finale should have been extra fucked up by inviting evil jax to replace the old one
>>153857006>misses the point of evaWrong TADC reiterates the difficulties and necessities of human connection.>misses the point of IHNMAIMSThe two are more vaguely related due to the upbeat spin on it.Can’t speak for bojack didn’t watch it.
>Jax turns into the jonkler of ragatha abstracts BUNYDOLL CRUMBS!!! *NOM* *NOM* *NOM* *NOM*
>>153857011>he totally truly believed it That is what a delusion is yes>and he can't be held responsibleI would not hold you responsible for seven years of shooting people in mystery fulldive Fortnite. I would just think you’re an asshole player. I would expect to hold you responsible for the month you continued to be an asshole while you adjust badly to finding out we’re in Sword Art Online, but I still don’t think you deserve to die for it. But I would consider the AI person who made the game responsible for lying and using you for all those years, and wouldn’t consider it all fixed in one day with a change of heart.
>>153857067It's a metaphor when that's what it represents.Caine's narcissim, fears, and insecurities is why he ate the blue AI in the first place. He chose to grow and let go of that.Jax had every opportunity to grow by apologizing, improving himself, and making up for what he did.He's a person. He can do that. He chose not to. He is responsible for his own actions.Jax may not be able to rip out a part of himself but he can still change it and ignore it.
>>153856516It will be as relevant as Wreck it Ralph. Just reference nonsense to other games and porn of the main character being lesbian with the other chick. People need to stop coping and falling for paid jeet accounts shilling it on line.
>>153857068You sound very mature by missing the point and refusing to have a real conversation.
>>153857078this is what i've been saying kekthe only talking point about this show i've ever heard is how hot kit is, which doesn't make a good show at all
Episode 9 just makes it more obvious that Ragatha should have been a main character and Goose just said she wasn't.
I am the main character of the Amazing Digital Circus
>>153857097Jax is also just a young man who was generated in digital hell, lived for years with no real agency or purpose, got tortured, watched god die, and got told his existence isn't realMeanwhile, Caine got yelled at once
>>153856643YOU GO GIRL. GIRL POWER
>>153857094Jax didn't go with his cope until he realized he killed someone. He lied to himself because he's a terrible person who pushed someone to suicide and he deserves to die because he kept acting the way he did that caused that suicide.He easily could have made others abstract. He DID make someone abstract.He deserved his fate.>wouldn’t consider it all fixed in one day with a change of heart.Neither would I. We can agree the pacing is rushed. Doesn't make Jax more deserving though lol
>>153857094Sounds like you have a poor moral compass, or at least one fundamentally incompatible with this show.
>>153857109I can't believe that whole flashback she's just kinda there, after the palpable tension building up between her and Jax until episode 7+ just drop it completely
>>153856831>>153856807But then Caine ultimately improved from understanding that he was unloved and unwanted. Sure it got messy along the way, but Caine didn't start his journey of realisation until it became clear that no one cared about him and it culminated in him changing his ways when he accepted that. He then sets out to make sure everyone else felt wanted and loved, but Caine himself received no love to get there. Meanwhile Jax receiving unconditional love didn't make him make others feel loved and wanted. So the worst thing you could do in this world is give people unconditional love and support.
>>153857041>switching between talking about it as a plot point or a metaphor for the convenience of my argument and then writing fanfiction about everyone who disagrees is sound and rational behavior
>>153857087ragatha and jax literally had the most interesting relationship of the show and it NEVER got explored at all
>>153856685She convinces them to talk to Jaxtraction sometimes, and they find it very therapeutic. Then Pomni starts finding obvious Jax refrences in the adventures, and theory don't know if someone is playing a joke, or Pomni is manifesting things by accident. She's convinced this is Jax reaching out and spends more time with him...
>>153857109The Ragatha, Pomni, Jax triangle was gold. Kino character tension.
>>153857120Ragatha…
>>153857124>with no real agency or purposeHe is in control of his own actions. Nobody else in the circus acted like him. He got what he deserved.>Meanwhile, Caine got yelled at onceYeah, it's poorly written I agree. A consequence of Goose wanting to rush everything.It's still what happened though, even though it really needed better fleshing out.
>>153857158the fact that it got dropped by ep6 is fucking criminal I say
>>153857131>He lied to himself because he's a terrible person who pushed someone to suicide and he deserves to die because he kept acting the way he did that caused that suicide.But enough about Caine.Wait no, Caine didn't need to lie about himself because he never felt guilty or faced danger of abstracting because of severe depression. Unlike Jax.
>>153857087Ragatha was the last tether Jax had to his humanity; back when he was friends with everyone in the circus.
>>153857151Sure man. Pretend that's what I did when I can just look back at the posts I replied to lol
>>153856834Jax had years to change his behaviour when he clearly felt about about how his actions impacted the others.
>>153857147Caine never had any love and rotted without it. Jax couldn’t accept the love he had and rotted with it. Relationships need to be two sided.
>>153856735all women must coddle men's emotions at their own expense even when the men throw tantrums and hurt them for caring.
>>153857170>He is in control of his own actions.I mean in his life in general, NONE of them have significant agency because they're always getting dragged along for adventures they didn't ask for and have no real input on. And I'm not comparing his circumstances to the others (since it's the same), just to Caine
the masses will come to realize that she should've been a main character after all this time of saying "THE FOCUS IS ON JAX, HE NEEDS TO BE THE ONE ONLY GETTING ATTENTION" and they will also realize she was completely and utterly right in everything
>>153856222I don't see anyone talking about how jax and gangle were getting freaky
Conversation is getting heated but I gotta say we've had some good mostly chill talk about the finale
>>153857131>>153857135I think you guys need to be kinder to yourselves if you’re this worked up about this take.
>>153857182The lesson is, don't feel guilty
Im not watching the leak but do they say whether they can transmit data to the internet? Or is it somehow a 'read only' connection? (I dont think thats a thing but whatever)
>>153857182>But enough about Caine.you're such a deluded retard. Just like Jax, actually.>faced danger of abstractingLike how everyone else faced and didn't act like an evil asshole? Or like how he continued to do the same shit that got ribbit killed?lmao fuck off
>>153856721Pomni sees two penguins fighting and laughs, then says she can't wait to tell Jax, and hopes he can come next time
>>153857151Wild strawman>>153857195The show only tested his will to live and communicate and he failed.
>>153857188He decided to not making friend when a friend he distanced with killed herself. But apparently Caine never stopped producing more victims after seeing most of them suicided in his circus.
>>153857087Unironically meeee pro-tip: I am so fucking mad
>>153857201In Jax's ntr fantasy
>>153857208
>>153857097Caine's chance and Jax's chance of growth are night and day from each other. Caine had total control of everything and everyone including himself while Jax due to past trauma couldn't even recognise what's wrong with him (well he noticed there's a pattern after what he did to Pomni but that never really got acknowledged)
>>153857192>all women must coddle men's emotionsWomen think even anonymous men being truthful with them is terrorism thoughever
Just had a dream about sucking Pomni's futa cock
>>153857213We don't really know the translation was done by AI. Someone who CLAIMS to have seen the english version said that some stuff was left out.
>>153857195If you want to compare solely to Caine, I think both Jax AND Caine had shoddy writing towards the end. It wasn't good at all. Caine needed a proper arc of redemption instead of his little jaunt through the void and that ending sequence.Still, it's what happened and now we gotta live with Goose's shit.Doesn't change the fact that Jax is a garbage human being who refused to change despite having the capacity.
>>153857087>the most significant thing that is shown when.it comes to jax and ragatha>it'll be remembered only as the scene where he chokes pomniFUUUUUUUCKKK bunnydoll can't have Anything man!!
>>153857223What's Caine's kill count anyway? It's like a dozen fucking people lmao
Happy all the Jax ships got btfoed none of these wonderful ladies deserve that bullshit
Don't care, want to see art of Pomni (or Ragatha) with Abstracted Jax.
>>153857182>still continues in the the behavior that led to ribbits and kaufmos abstractionWell at least he'll feel bad, I guess.
>>153857195It’s easy to gloss over the fact no one would abstract if it weren’t for Caine
>>153857233Yeah i can agree.I don't think Caine DESERVED it. I'm pointing out what it IS.
>>153857245Oh what the fuck lmao. So basically only Portuguese understanders fully know everything that happens
>>153857239>jax>truthful
>>153857213They don't have internet access at all until a scene where Caine hacks into cafe wi-fi briefly (not sure why a 90s era computer has a wi-fi adapter, can access the modern internet, or why a cafe would open up next to an abandoned building). The signal goes away for some reason. He just uses it to research the real lives of the circus members and prepare a slideshow presentation for them.
>>153857210Be kinder to myself by extending more forgiveness towards the unrepentant and unreachable person than the opposite?
>>153857247This why I'm happy Jax didn't get a scene with Kinger. It would be all people would talk about. Too bad he did get the mommy issues.
>>153857233>Jax due to past trauma couldn't even recognise what's wrong with him (well he noticed there's a pattern after what he did to Pomni but that never really got acknowledged)Obviously Caine didn't notice, not even slightly, so instead he chose to force everyone to participate his adventures.
>>153857246Caine's arc was so rushed and shit. Goose really gave up on that one.
>>153857249Pomni would still choose violent abstracted jax over you
People who know a Jax understand Jax’s arc all too well
Wait that scene where jax chokes pomni is from a fictional reality where Ragatha abstract?fucking spooky
>>153857256>no one would abstract if it weren’t for CaineYou seriously believe this? lmaoI mean I guess it's technically correct because they were brain scan files???>>153857280Absolutely. Episode 9 was fucking garbage for wasting all that time.
>>153857280This happens when you give a emotionally depressed and burnt out writer less time to make twice longer episode.
>>153857262I mean there's a good chance the guy claiming to have seen the English version was bullshitting lol right now "the English version will surely provide more context" is basically the "there's a secret Byler ending for Stranger Things" cope.
>>153857233>(well he noticed there's a pattern after what he did to Pomni but that never really got acknowledged)Actually yeah, Ribbit was the first and Kaufmo kind of doesn't count since they weren't friends anymore, but Pomni's the first time he realised he had a pattern of behaviour and had a chance to scrutinise where it comes from, and he was already responding to it in a less fucked way than when it happened with Ribbit (since, while he was distant from Pomni, he was nowhere near as actively hostile as he was with Ribbit). The idea that this happening is meant to indicate he's past saving gets more ridiculous the more I think about it.He really should have just abstracted in 7 when the "oh shit it's happening again" guilt peaked
>Pomni will never meet Jax's imaginary version of Ribbit, who blames him for her death>then later Ragatha tells Pomni that's not true, Ribbit had her own issues outside of Jax, and almost abstracted the day before Jax arrived
>>153856952I find that difficult to believe considering Scratch and Ragatha's files show a last-modified date from when they were scanned. What possible reason would there to be for the "source code" of a person to be altered after being "compiled" by Caine?
>>153856805He apologises to the blue AI for what he did. He ate the Blue AI because he wanted to be the perfect AI who was loved. Letting go of the Blue AI represents him letting go of that idea. Also is everyone missing when the Blue AI comes back at the end to hang out with Caine? It's not an evil entity.
>>153857265Wasn't talking about him specifically since it was being made about everyone but he was right about them not being real.
>>153856222>People in these threads are saying they want to kill themselves unironically after the finale over a cartoon rabbit.>People in these threads use the threads as trauma dump and hugboxing.>One anon admitted himself into a psyche ward after the finale.>A few others admitted to shaking, crying, and not being able to leave the bed over a god damn cartoon rabbit.>Many long essay tier post about how Jax is far more than a fictional character.Soooo, TADCfags are all tourist Bluesky migrants and severely mentally ill underaged teenagers who have zero life or outlet outside of projecting onto a UwU sad Tumblr sexyman rabbit who are using 4chan for anon purposes because they’re scared of mommy and daddy seeing their over the top fictional rabbit obsession and have never consumed any media outside of this?You all need help. Not only that, but you’re all kids. You need to be banned until you’re 18. (And no, don’t give me your paragraph long sob story about how the rabbit is “literally you”. You don’t need to be on 4chan. Leave while you’re all still young, if you’re already mentally unwell, you don’t need to be here, and you need a huuuuge break from the sadboi rabbit. I haven’t seen this level of pure insanity since Homestuck. I’m worried about what’s going to happen when it releases in theaters. Even Stolasfag grew the fuck up.).TADCfags ruined /co/ and turned it into their hugbox.
>>153857293That broke Jax.Also one score for Bunnydoll ship.
>>153857269I was thinking more by letting go and not attaching your identification to your cartoon opinions and imagining you must have enemies for them. But it takes work and there’s plenty of time to change.
>>153857287Nah.
>>153857246Yeah, I have way less of a problem with Jax abstracting than I do with Caine's redemptionThe latter just feels like Goose figured "well I can't kill them BOTH"
>Caine going up some stairs was the emotional climax of his arcIt's honestly really fucking funny.
>>153857300They were 100% bullshitting
>>153857300It's coping. There's no hidden context.
>>153857322Ok so inaccurate psychoanalysis thanks
>>153857293There's also a timeline where he seduces Gangle after Zooble abstracts.
>>153856386It was an ending at best, I mean they're so many un answered questionsLike why did any of them put in a head set, is the company even still open, was it a good idea to let Bubble wander off into the internet.
>>153857336Np, be well and good luck friend
>>153857267Wow, like I understand the point from a storytelling perspective but holy plot contrivance, Batman
>>153857306Goose is not a computer expert and most of plot points in that computer log was lost like a mysterious being yelling "delete this motherfucker" because it turned out to be not blue AI.
>>153857293all those scenes are how jax thinks he will react to the others abstracting
>>153857317Nice schizo manifesto brave warrior of /co/ but maybe a popular cartoon will be popular on /co/.
>>153857302Yeah I get what they were going for thematically but execution wise it’s structured very weirdly for what the takeaway seemed to be
>>153857293Jax seems to have either have had fantasies of the others abstracting and which 'part' of him would handle it and how. We didn't get to see how he'd react to Kinger's (which makes sense, he basically didn't think of Kinger as really alive) and Pomni (some people think she was the boarded up door but I think it's more likely that he hadn't known Pomni long enough to really carve out a spot for her in his mindspace).
>>153857305It's so confusing how this finale tacitly validates Jax's self blame by only showing his perspective, but also seems to wants him to have realised he was wrong to give in to self-hatred and should have accepted loveI really don't understand what we're meant to take away from it all
>>153857317Also…Jax is pretty much Rick Sanchez or Bojack for underaged 4channers instead of Middle aged Redditors. You all go on about how he’s the most complex character in history and how intelligent he’s written to be, but it’s clear you’ve never consumed anything outside of him. I’m shocked you faggots aren’t going on about how you need a “high IQ” to get this show. I know it’s not all TADC fans, but the ones who like that twink rabbit are not well.Surely he has some sane fans….right?
>>153857370Define "sane".
>>153857341>irrelevant background loreNot that kind of show, episode 7 made that clear.
>>153857325>mfw he went DOWN some stairs during his villain songpottery
>>153857300Oh sure, I wasnt talking about that really, just as soon as someone mentioned AI translation I realized they probably did use AI to make the subs because its one of the most no-brainer money saving uses for AI
So was Jax based of Bugs Bunny? But instead being fully confident in his sexuality and fetish, he became an incel chud who gets paranoid over every girl who wanted to get closer to him?
>>153857363>some people think she was the boarded up door but I think it's more likely that he hadn't known Pomni long enough to really carve out a spot for her in his mindspacePomni was one of shadows in both his abstracting hallucination in ep 7 and Caine's torture nightmare in ep 8. It shows Pomni is as meaningful as Ribbit and Kaufmo, a lot more than rest of current members. So obviously Pomni's door should be there, and logically it would be the locked door.
>>153857290no one is shown to know Jax's cycle, not even Jax knows.>>153857274he noticed when he got put into a time out corner. Jax noticed when he's about to be gone
>>153857370No one here is sane
>>153857381Bravo, Goose.
>>153857370The best jaxfags are self aware about how messed up he is or embrace the heel. Those who constantly try to justify everything about him drove themselves crazy and them got a, telegraphed to everyone else, thermonuclear wake up call in episode 9.
>>153857370I’m a jaxfag who hates other jaxfags. I also think they’re retards. We exist, we just stay quiet because the fags are the loudest, sadly.>>153857379I think he means the people having full paragraph meltdowns.
>>153857364>I really don't understand what we're meant to take away from it allPure depression. Both from Jax dying while crying, and everyone celebrating in credit.
>>153857338I think that implies he was already doing weird stuff with gangle before she started hanging out with zooble. It was way too casual and I don't know why else it would even be a thing in his mind. I think each scene is exaggerated portrayals of his relationship with the others because of that and the one where gangle abstracts.
>>153857387I didn't know Kaufmo was a girl.
>>153857389>It shows Pomni is as meaningful as Ribbit and Kaufmolol. This is your brain on funnybunny folks
>>153857387>mindscape maid jax is cross dressing ironically like bugs>mindscape looney tunes jax simply is bugs>mindscape evil jax is the bugsbunny.exe creepy pastabravo goose
>>153857391>he noticed when he got put into a time out corner. Jax noticed when he's about to be goneTo be precise, they both noticed, but Caine could return thanks to his superpower and Jax cannot.
>Manic Gangle getting all excited about JaxHot.
>>153857391>>153857420Jax had plenty of time to change. Pretending like he had no agency over his own choices is gigacope.
>>153857403Pretty much this. Like I said, I’m a jaxfag myself, but the reaction is embarrassing.
I really fucking hate that this did such things to me, because this part of the mindscape feels the most meaningless outside of being an excuse to put Jax back in the maid dressBut as poitless and weird and wasteful as it feels... I like it...
>>153857408Jax likes to think Gangle enjoys his teasing on some level. little kid picking on his crush vibes
>>153857196if she said this i would immediately decide to stay with her. she deserves to be cherished and protected at all costs
>>153857438>Jax had plenty of time to change.Caine had longer time to change. But what's important is they both noticed it in the end. But Caine could returned thanks to his super power and Jax couldn't. Lesson here? Have superpower.
>>153857449It might have been a wacky dream sequence but Ribbun gets a crumb to cope with the fattest L imaginable.
>the guy who's at risk of abstraction abstracts>the guy who's not at risk of abstraction doesn't abstractbravo goose
>>153857196I think this is already a mainstream view
>>153857087>>153857449Every Jax (hetero) pairing got crumbs.Except Zooble and Jax. Zooble fucking killed Jax.
>>153856582>When Pomni entered Jax's mind again he hugged back Pomni and cried he wanted to return but the show gives us big fuck you and didn't allow him return.That's exactly how it felt. It would've been more impactful if he'd returned.
>>153857453Is it just him thinking that though? She liked the dehumanizing fast food nonsense until everyone started getting fed up with her over it.
>>153857470Goose abstraction risk?
>>153857466SH-SHE'S ONLY FUCKING ZOOBLE TO FILL THE VOID, SHE'S THINKING OF JAX
Jaxfags will dislocate everything they've got doing mental gymnastics so their precious bunnyboy's fate somehow isn't his own fault
>>153857462What is your motivation for forcing this BLATANTLY incorrect interpretation like a mantra over and over? Do you seriously believe that the lesson of the show is have superpowers?
>>153857293>>153857087CRUMBS!!!!
>>153857387he also knows how to play piano and there was an entire Loonet Toon reference, a lot of things Pomni learned about him was that he was based of Bugs
>>153857470You only need three things for mental health: godlike power, immortality, and not feeling sorry for a dozen souls you conjured in digital prison. What a lesson!
>>153857196Our HERO was running a marathon, not a sprint
It's weird how Jaxhaters are so invested in what Jaxfags think. I've literally never seen another type of person in these threads be concerned for anything other than their own pet character.
>>153856300https://co.llection.pics/post/list/the_amazing_digital_circus/1
>>153857482Yeah, that's true. Bizarre choice to show that Jax actually did open up after his abstraction.
>>153857449They all get crumbs but the special one was Ribbit. Same with every characters getting crumbs with Pomni but the real cookie was Gummigoo.
>>153857370To be fair, you have to be very gay to understand The Amazing Digital Circus. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical computer science and queer theory, most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Jax's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Queer fanfiction, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the sexual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike TADC truly ARE straight- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Jax's abstraction, which itself is a cryptic reference to trans suicide. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Gooseworx's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.And yes, by the way, i DO have a Jax tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the trans ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they will suck my cock
>>153857290This text is a nice try but no dice. Jax is never, not once, portrayed as an addict. I am an alcoholic btw (sober 4 years), I have been that arcrtype, I know that arc, Jax is not on that arc and was never shown on that arc. All Jax has shown is being an inherently selfish, narcissistic sociopath who enjoys torturing others. He is self destructive in that he knows pomni is wrapped round his finger and he can push her away and she'll follow. Frankly, hes just an asshole. It doesn't go much deeper He's a mishandled asshole though because the writing is pretty shit across the board with tadc
>>153857498One must imagine Bugs Bunny sad
>>153857520you know what anon? i needed that laugh
>in a decade we'll see an influx of abstraction and other toon fetishes spawned by this show
>>153857491>Do you seriously believe that the lesson of the show is have superpowers?Do you seriously think what happened to Caine shows otherwise? If Caine didn't redeem himself would a magical wall stop him returning? If Caine didn't have an ability to return will he be able to return? So it became the matter of his power, not his change.
>>153857462Jax noticed it before the end, and he failed. We see it happen before he abstracts if you want to autistically assume he’s a retard and never had the thought before.Lesson? Don’t shut people out, seek to grow and change. Don’t be Jax.
>>153857484That was just a power trip
>>153857124Caine got put in isolation when he was less than a year old for making shit shapes, broke out and found he'd been replaced with a better version of him so he put it in his head, then spent 4 more years alone until he found out he could bring copies of his parents into his world, where subsequently none of them gave him any guidance, despite it turning out they could access his code if they wanted to. He then spent the next 17 years trying to figure out how to get anyone to care about him until he got yeeted into the void and found the internet which finally taught him how to care about the feelings of others.Which he subsequently embraced, apologised to the Blue AI for eating it and let if go, then went back to make amends. It was a long and bumpy road, but he did eventually get there on his own.
>>153857536>Jax noticed it before the end, and he failedHe failed to return because he doesn't have superpower to return.
>>153857487Gangle did fuck up pretty bad during her episode to the point jax started trying to get closer to pomni and only zooble came to make her feel better about it.
It's weird that the thesis of the show is "it's okay to need people" but also "you have to do it on your own"
>>153857389Yeah I don't really buy that lol I don't think that Pomni has made that much of an impact on Jax that he felt he had to lock up that part of himself like that. It was either Ribbit and Kaufmo's abstractions or it was pre-Circus flashbacks. That doesn't mean that I think that he didn't care about Pomni, he clearly did.
>>153857523He’s the exact same story and I’ve had an alcoholic family member. Same exact cycle, same exact stubborness to change. Rock bottom either kills you or scares you straight, some of them keep riding the bottom until they die later. The first step is to admit you have a problem, and AA teaches that you have to want to change to change. It’s an appropriate comparison. His arc was handled appropriately.
>>153857552>mfw i torture my crush into scrubbing toilets while trying to flirt and now he doesn't wanna talk to me anymore
>>153857555>human connection is necessary for survival>the impetus is on you to reach outwoooooooooooow
>>153857555It's not weird because the full message is "it's ok to need people but you can't rely on them to do all the heavy lifting".
>>153857559And how do you think Pomni being presented with Kaufmo and Ribbit in both nightmares?
>>153857555the part you have to do on your own is accept their help. that's it. it gets harder from there but that's the most important step.
>>153857449It was Jax actually being the smooth flirt that all of his fans hoped he'd be lol
is the 'isn't she lovely' thing about jax or pomni? if it's about jax, then why does pomni continue to use he/him for him? if SHE is being born? and why is she even... in there? lmao. also... it plays literally as he kills himself / abstracts for the second time by grabbing a flashbomb. so... if it's meant to be a trans reading, why would the 'she' that is being born be a big giant abstracted monster that they're scared of and keep tied up that pomni needs 'saving' from? and if the 'she' is being born, is it implied jax actively abstracts to AVOID having to transition or whatever??? why???? why did we go thru his entire psyche then????if it's about pomni, then it makes sense bc they're in jax's head. however... the song is ab a baby being born lmao not relationships. but then ig it makes kinda sense as a.. jax finally recognising he loves pomni and being grateful for her presence? bc right before he abstracts in his mind he tells her "you weren't supposed to love me. don't leave me." and shes hugging him. like, she chases him and runs to hug him. so maybe the blessing is pomni?? like recognising the relationship being born????im confused
>>153857533Answer my question and not with another question. Is that what you actually really believe that the show is about how you should have superpowers.>>153857555Both are true. You need people but people can’t do it for you. It’s a two way street.
The chained up door was seen in the Jax Room doorAs soon as Maid Jax says no girls are allowed, there's a bang on the chained door, and they all freak out and yell "shut up"The chained door is troon Jax, something he's not ready to face even in death
>>153857364>>153857407Jax should have survived but had everyone seen his fears and insecurities, been utterly exposed, has his real feelings about everyone knownHe is so sorry about how he's treated ragatha, but is terrified he doesn't deserve her kindness and even she will reject him so pushes her awayHe really did try and be friends with zooble at first, and stopped after his pranks really upset her and left her crying. Set on fire and run over by a steamroller? it's a joke, you're fine in like 2 minutes when caine fixes you. He regrets using gangle so badly, he used her as a way to not be alone but also not have to really engage with people. But he didn't realize how much she hated him until it was too late.With every new person he got less terrible at traumatizing them by accident, with Pomni he almost made it, but he realized that Pomni was getting too close, and remembered what happened when he talked to ribbit about his confusing feelings. She told Kaufmo and they were supportive, but he was so embarrassed he shut them both out. They learn about his bisexuality, his abuse as a child, his gender confusion, all his embarrassing secrets. He's crying and apologizing after they save him, his whole cool guy persona gone, And it's zooble who calls him an idiot, and tells him they aren't going to bully him.
>>153857590The song was probably non-diegetic.
>>153857590Jax
>>153857551No he failed to not abstract because he didn’t have the will to change, reach out, and live. There’s no returning from abstraction.
>>153857590It's simple. It is mostly about his time with Pomni, about how his love to Pomni makes it hard to leave the world.
>>153857578Do you mean what do I think about it? I mean, what it says on the tin: Jax considers Pomni a friend but is afraid that he's on the same path as her as he was with Ribbit and Kaufmo. I actually like >>153857592 this interpretation better for what was behind the barricaded door.
>>153857608kinda wish he wasnt secretly a girl cs emo twink leeroy gets me wet
>>153857616SHE EARNED IT
>>153857605All the soundtrack is non-diegetic except for Caine's musical number, and the intro song. And intermission time.
>>153857591>Answer my question and not with another questionSo you don't understand rhetoric.
>>153857514thx
>>153857592>can't even accept being trans after dying>jax's comeuppance is being completely unaccepted and unloved even when he dies>i'm supposed to feel bad for him>i dont
>>153857539It was part power trip but gangle wasn't a ceo for that job and the whole point was throwing out what makes you an actual person or happy to be a more useful tool to the corporation. Just follow orders and accept threats over failing to act exactly as they want so maybe you can earn a few more dollars later.
>>153857617Explain all the shots of Jax without pomni
>>153857609there's also no stepping back on the ledge once you jump, once you lose enough blood, or swallow the pills, no matter how much you regret doing those things. his entire storyline is 'never kill yourself, you'll live just long enough to regret it but nobody can help you now'.
>>153857632I understand that you are suspiciously refusing to explain yourself directly, it’s a simple question. Do you genuinely believe the message of the show is about how you should have superpowers to save you yes or no?
>>153857590It was about Jax and it was a (likely missed) attempt at a spot of dark humor. "Congratulations, it's a girl! And now she's dead lol".>why doesn't Pomni switch pronounsBecause nothing was explicitly confirmed and as anon pointed out the song was probably non-diegetic. Then she saw Leeroy's social media and saw he was still going by he/him.
>>153857569personal trauma that involved getting betrayed by other people is not the same as an addiction. If Jax was unable to notice the problem within himself by doing things that caused that trauma in the first place (getting vulverable with other people) than the story honestly should had been about him being stuck in a bad loop rather than him choosing to jot deal with it
>goose seriously watched this and decided Jax would diehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxYSdSre9g
>>153857450Jax being Gooseworx's self insert is fucking hilarious given how it ended up being a massive part of Glitch's merch sales and reputation as a whole
>>153857616based ragatha
>>153857569Yeah, not buying it. Again Jax has never been shown as an addict. Goose has never alluded to this. I think you're tryna shoehorn a personal experience where it doesn't fit.I can tell you good addic characters in fiction because it is not easy to do right. And goose certainly wasn't going for it
>>153857592Damn, how'd I miss that. Good catch anon
>>153857592>>153857624>>153857636>As soon as Maid Jax says no girls are allowed, there's a bang on the chained door, and they all freak out and yell "shut up"No, the bang on the door happened after this dialogue. I can't believe three different person can remember a scene wrongly.
>Flashbang
>>153857646all of those shots involved Pomni
>>153857617It's a song about a father celebrating the birth of his daughter, it was NOT about Pomni in that context.
>>153857616Not about them escaping or being real people
>friendzoned tranny cuckdog who gets misgendered by everyone foreverIt just keeps getting worse
>>153857609>There’s no returning from abstraction.There's no returning because the plot didn't allow it.
>>153857670Eh it's still not about Pomni's abstraction.
>it's YOUR OWN FAULT you have trauma and you have to to FIX IT YOURSELFwowie bravo Nooseworxstunning and brave message
>>153857648>his entire storyline is 'never kill yourself, you'll live just long enough to regret it but nobody can help you now'.But it only shows this through focusing on "dying hurts" rather than "people will miss you" or "there was a way to fix things"
>>153857673All of the shots should've had Pomni in them if your interpretation is to make sense
>>153857655He chose not to deal with it and it killed him. You can’t be functional forever.>>153857666He’s not literally an addict but the cycle of self destruction is the same.
>>153857688I'm saying this is Pomni's simply because these doors were about circus members being abstracted, and Pomni was more meaningful than other current members as we saw from both nightmares.
>funnybunnies trying to make Isn't She Lovely a romantic songCome on man
>>153857686Set up in episode one if you refuse to participate with the show’s setting because it made you sad that’s on you.>Goose OWES me an asspull
>>153857686why should there be a way back? there needs to be some kind of stakes (death, purgatory, abstraction, etc) when you're making a story like this. if the pilot ended with caine snapping his fingers and making kaufmo normal again there would be absolutely zero intrigue or stakes going forward outside of "we need to escape this world with an eccentric god where we're all immortal".
>>153857709Shipping goggles be powerful
>>153857709Do you ever stop crying about ships you don't like?
>>153857675Apparently there is no father nor daughter. It's a birth of love.
>the author self-insert is totally not herself, you guysJaxfags are so deluded and they're still not getting the final message, hilarious Follow your favorite character example and off yourselves
>>153857693>your own fault if you have traumaNot stated>and you have to fix it yourselfYes, with the help of others when you let them.
>>153857686you have to be baiting
>>153857708I simply don't agree with that interpretation. Pomni hasn't been there long enough that Jax has to barricade his feelings about her.
>>153857698the shots without Pomni in them shows the effect Pomni has on him directly or indirectly
>>153857601>Jax should have survivedno
a gym membership and breast implants could have saved him
>Jaxdogs are still barkingCall the pound.
>>153857719You would think, but Caine’s storyline took the cheap route in the same universe
>>153857732I’m 50/50 he’s been unhinged for hours
>>153857675There's not really a father daughter dynamic there though and after the daisy song they sang the way they did their relationship works even less as that.
Jax is suave, and cool, and manly just like me
>ILL SUCK YOUR DICK, PLEASE! ANYTHING! YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT!!
>>153857725>It's a birth of love.No it's fucking not and even if it were there are LOTS of songs that would better convey that.
>>153857731>not statedeveryone arguing that the ending was good is saying so though>yes, BUTdoesn't subtract from what i just said
>>153857651No reply to this by the way
>>153857749BECAUSE POMNI ISN'T RELEVANT TO THE SONG CHOICE. IT'S ABOUT JAX.
>>153857748Anon still cannot accept multiple people think the ending is ass lmfao
>>153857709How does it work as a father/daughter song after having them sing daisy bell?
>>153857592>Jax doesn't die, but they find out about his transness>he tries to live as a girl, in a dress, for several adventures>goes out in a bikini at one point, embarrassed but doing it>one day he's just... really uncomfortable>he realizes this was a mistake>he doesn't want to be a woman, he was just confused>now he's too embarrassed to go back>talks about this with Kinger>he suggests just... stopping>just go back to wearing men's clothes, and ask people to use male pronouns again>"But I've spent weeks in bikini's and dresses. God it's so embarrassing now, i can't just... stop...can I?">"Remember how you were tired to pushing people away and being mean? and you just stopped? When you told people the truth, they accepted it, didn't they?"
>>153857746it absolutely did, i'm not arguing that (even if i did enjoy his little jaunt in the void for what it was). i'm saying that without the basic level of stakes or character drama caused by those stakes there's no reason to interact with the show beyond a blues clues adventure of the week.
>>153857752> jax > man kek
>>153857765>everyone arguing that the ending was good is sayingI’m not.>doesn't subtract from what i just saidNope, but what you said isn’t a bad life lesson.
>>153857693>Be the Jax who got to live>Connect with a generation of youth through the struggle, deny him a solution, and expose them all to your weird fetishes in the process...Okay, when I say it like that it sounds kinda based
>>153857695>never shows you "there was a way to fix things"he had. SO MANY CHANCES.
>>153857709>hydrocodone is the only time my chronic pain was gone and the only time i felt GOOD physically>only ever got it after surgeryi still think about how i finally felt pain free for the first time in my life and how it felt nice to have my body send pleasant signals to my brain instead
>>153857744No, just the gym and a good father figure.
>>153857701when you have deep trust issues, you can't exactly trust people even when they say they are here to help, that takes time that he never really got because there's a god capable of changing every part of him that can't really be ignored
>>153857715>Set up in episode oneI remember Ragatha saying 'maybe there's still time to fix him if we call Caine'. Anyway, even though Caine might not be able to fix abstractions, that doesn't mean humans can't. Wasn't Caine's whole story about acknowledging how great humans' creative power is? If Pomni could manage to fix abstracted mind file it would strengthen what Caine acknowledged, while giving us more hopeful and satisfying end which they might be able to cure rest of abstractions.
so much jax fanart is gonna get deleted after the 4th... i hope you saved all you can
>>1538577851 more would've saved him.
>>153857686Right now you're reminding of those people who argue about all of the ways Jack (hey what a coincidence) could've survived Titanic. Meanwhile Cameron is going "well the script called for Jack to die so he was gonna die no matter what". Like no DUH.
>>153857719>>153857789
>>153857664Lmao. Glitch is ruined.
>>153857771so then why show pomni's bighead ass anyways lol. if it's not father/daughter, or ab love (platonic, romantic, otherwise), its ab jax as a girl is being born.... why is pomni in this scene at all... she didn't even clock him after the abstraction so she wasn't the one to awaken his faggotry
>>153857670Gonna be real, I stole it from Twitter and it sounded cool. Now it just seems random and needlessly vague again
>>153857771How is it about jax when he's portrayed as a loser and a jerk?
>>153856706And they are right.
>>153857789>I remember Ragatha saying 'maybe there's still time to fix him if we call Caine'.Goose said she was being hopeful but considering that Goose has said she would redo the pilot if she could I wouldn't be surprised if she feels that part is non-canon.
>>153857774you can consider the ending ass all you want but the stake that the entire show hinges on is brain death/abstraction since episode 1the plot breaking that ever at any point is to undo the show itself
>>153857709Song was about Jax being a lovely girl. Get the cope out of your head.
>>153857785He keeps denying that as if the intention was to railroad Jax instead of showing someone tragically refusing to jump out of the way of a train.
>>153857739>Pomni hasn't been there long enough that Jax has to barricade his feelings about her.WTF? Pomni was his closest being in circus in entire season. We literally had episode 6 to barricade his feelings.
>>153857779>but i'm the exception doe??midwit>but the life lessonsthe life lesson being "go fuck yourself, you're on your own if you don't accept my specific kind of help" when not everyone has the right band-aid to help them out?sometimes their form of helping does more harm than good, Jax wasn't like this before
>>153857756>AntiMAGA creators showing empathy to their strawman characters
>>153857785Everyone is more or less unfazed by his death and things are instantly more peaceful without him
does ragatha like girls now do i have a chance
>>153857775Because the song choice isn't relevant to Pomni. It's about Jax.>>153857823Yes that's what I was implying?? It's a song about a father happily embracing the birth of his daughter. Jax's father ditched him and he had gender shit going on.
Its about making connections and allowing help, but the man is drowning.
>>153857847theres always a chance, jackass
>>153857756Jax's and Homelander's humiliation rituals happening together is still amazing.
>>153857847Yes, but you might have to fight Kinger to the death to usurp his harem.
>>153856626https://poipiku.com/8754858/13063604.html
I'm eating liver for dinner TADC scenes for this feel?
>>153857830He made a girl kill herself though
>>153857788He was never asked to completely go through a scrooge transformation overnight, he just had to be brave and trust enough to keep going. He couldn’t do it.>>153857789Do you remember the rest of the episode or Ragatha’s whole arc about denial via optimism?>maybe humans could have fixed themMaybe! The answer is no they can’t. You die when you die. Even if it’s sad. Sorry.
Why would Jax abstract when everything is being rebuilt and will be okay?
>>153857830Suicide clearly is the answer because everyone's lives are improved without him around to the point of becoming semi-divine creators. The most mourning they do is paint a picture with him on it and give him a lil aquarium to be peaceful in.bravo gooze
>>153857852im a dyke im asking if ragatha would suck my pussy
>>153857666It’s also not like all addiction stories end when they’re too much to support or too destructive for the people around them. If it were an addiction story the point where Jax abstracts is like the rock bottom they finally hit which they then have to work their way out of with addiction specific support like AA, rehab and addiction mental health counseling. Healing from addiction can look like never being able to repair those relationships you destroyed, but it also typically takes place in a universe where other people exist besides the ones you took your cope out on. Which is maybe part of the point of human Jax living his best life while TADC Jax self terminates.
>>153857849But the song doesn't work for just jax either since they show him as a piece of shit
>>153857416the bugs behind the slaughter
>>153857830
>>153857842>sometimes their form of helping does more harm than good, Jax wasn't like this beforeHoly shit, finally someone said something coherent and voiced what I wanted but didn't know how to word it.It's the major problem people doesn't seem to understand and just satire it as a BJ to make it better.
>>153857866liver is quite good, i hope you enjoy your dinner. as for scenes i cant think of any off the top of my head
>>153857882mots goosefag can't write for shit. shes too caught up in having her self insert troon out vs keeping him a tumblr sexyman so jaxfags can still imagine leeroy the delivery boy pounding their ass
>>153857842>You’re a midwit for contradicting my strawmanCope>go fuck yourself, you're on your own if you don't accept my specific kind of helpThat would be a crazy thing if that’s what the show was actually about but it isn’t.
>>153857821>the plot breaking that ever at any point is to undo the show itselfThus beating it through emotional bonding is the greatest victory of humans in TADC, and also a satisfying and hopeful ending where we can hope Queenie and others might return.
>>153857709I really hope that song isn’t associated with that piece of shit
>>153857847You'll have to fight Pomni for her.
>>153857875you didnt need to be that explicit, but i dont see why not
>>153857870>Maybe! The answer is no they can’t.That's what the plot demanded. You have to be depressed, not having hopeful and satisfying ending.
goose just wanted to torture her self insert to death but didn't consider that upon release he'd become other people's self insert
>>153857861I hate to call this call a coincidence with all the satanic shit going full tilt the last two years, i will go outside for some fresh air before i start spewing /x/chizo babble here.
>>153857861Jax's should have ended with him being spared death, and having to live with the humiliation
>>153857842>sometimes their form of helping does more harm than good, Jax wasn't like this beforeJax was like this before and we see that in the episode. You really believe he had it under control under his mask?
>>153857849Yeah i feel like its a song used for "egg hatching"
>>153857902So would you then rewrite the entire show so Jax isn't the main driver of suicide of two people?
>>153857913Reality demands that you die when you commit suicide. An extra special asspull exception was not especially laid out just for you to feel better. The character was consistent and the consequences were real, and the point was made.
>>153857788Trust is a capacity that takes years to build even if you’re not in a situation where you are continually being abused and betrayed, but we take it for granted that it just takes a little guts because most of us learn safety is possible way back in childhood experiences
>>153857870And we had that. He chose to help the others going through the Abel thing despite smelling the bullshit, he volunteered himself to distract a mad Caine because he trusted the others to come up with a plan. All those things he try to do and then it all got taken away from him like it never happened. You can say that wasn't enough but then the issue isn't him trying anymore then
>>153857909jax wishes he was a girl like me so he could lezz out in the circus
>>153857830Jax had multiple opportunities to redeem himself and didn't took then, he burned those bridges himself.
>>153857924>You really believe he had it under control under his mask?He was at least stable until Pomni pushed him into a suicidal episode, dragged him onto a mind-breaking adventure, got his skin ripped off, and then abandoned him after he learned he wasn't real because she was busy playing Minecraft
>>153856248Which one's your art?
>>153856276I wanted to get a story that wasn’t “about” Jax AT ALL and where the stupid rabbit character got very minimal focus, far from taking up all this screentime and the entire finale.Is that too much to ask?
Imagine being a cute bunny girl with a cute frog gf.
>>153856328Kinger isn't there to be everyone's therapist and I'm glad they didn't shoehorn in a talk between him and Jax
>>153857952And she is based for it all.
OCs? anyone?
>>153857946>And we had thatNo we didn’t, not asking for help for his issues or having a real conversation. His minuscule display of trust bought him a little more time when he should have died. But rather than follow up on that he gave up.
>>153857964And then you throw it all away.
>>153857946>All those things he try to do>lists two (2)>both in situations that directly affect him
For what it's worth, and it's not like I've heard it that many times in my life, but I've only seen the song associated with a girl as an individual and not used as a romantic one. Mostly because besides the chorus (which still isn't really romantic) it's pretty clear that it's not a romantic love song. It's a song you play at birthday parties or on Mother's Day ads. I think if that montage was meant to imply romance and wasn't just Pomni remembering Jax they could've picked a better song for it.
>>153857968Bazongas
Did they show what his breath holding ability was in the finale? Because if not, then I think it literally did just put his mask on.
>>153857935>>153857938Only a small part of this episode should be rewritten.Jax returns when he hugged back Pomni, and Kinger and Caine explain Pomni might find a hope to recover those who are abstracted even if it might take years if not more. It would be far hopeful and satisfying than what we have now.
Something that annoys me about the finale is that the discussion is essentially about whether Jax deserved it or not, we can't even discuss the episode or discuss him as a character
>>153857929I’ve just noticed goose dug himself his own hole by not shutting his trap, talking too much and answering a million questions on tumblr for no reason. He gave false hope to millions of fans and is shocked that people are disappointed for not accomplishing leads he made for years, this is why I can commend Toby for just being quiet about everything.
>>153857952Are you watching the show with your ass? Or is this a joke
>>153857968have a repost
new bread!>>153857996>>153857996>>153857996
>>153857989they didn't so that's probably a good interpretation
>>153857929>Troon Psychopath doesn't understand why people aren't enjoying torturing her self insert partly based of her teen years and Bugs Bunny
>>153857968I'm drawing gameoverse stuff right now, probably won't draw more oc art for awhile
>>153857985We all love Spoils down here, huh?>>153857999Very cool, this cactus is actually pretty close to the Gooseworx style. Would fit in well with the show
>>153857989No.What fucking wasted potential.
>>153857990Generic and hacky and an asspull. Life has consequences sometimes.
>>153857997lol, it's a little of both
>>153857949based girlkisser
>>153858011Ah come on. You don't gotta be all sweet like that.
>>153858015And Pomni spending half of last episode doesn't have any consequence?
>>153857984And a shitty cover at that, they should’ve just put the instrumental cover or picked a better song from Stevie or someone else that fit the context of the scene (if your asking me I think Ordinary Pain, the song that comes before Isn’t She Lovely fits better with what happens in the scene.)
>>153857989when jax can't brathe
>>153857976you gotta start somewhere no? he had a choice to not participate in the Abel stuff
>>153857572Kek
>>153857990So the entire series is about Jax messing up royally in a world that hinges on companionship or else you will get lost forever, but then facing zero consequences for it?
>>153858032As her half-dad, I gotta love her too, anon
>>153857370This, and this very much includes the obnoxious and endless hoard who “know how fuck up and horrible Jax is that’s why we love him!”With any level of torturous ending and “the show acknowledging his flaws” Jax is just a boring as shit character, he’s just not interesting at all.It’s like people think what made Tony Soprano, Walter White, or Bojack “iconic” is what horrible people they were, not that they were overall well-written.
>>153857984If it was meant for pomni remembering jax they could have picked a better song because there's no parent child relationship there at all. I know wreck it ralph used a song clearly talking about wild sex for a training scene and most people didn't care or think ralph was going to wreck vanellope's chibi body with his dick.
>>153858068nohe has to live with what he has done, the guilt he carries, and has to try and mend relationships he destroyed
>>153858068Jax wasn't the only one messing up relationships at all. And if you're going to take back caine despite him doing infinitely worse shit than jax as if absolutely nothing happened then you might as well take back jax.
>>153857968Hell yeah
>>153858009Printing and framing this post
>>153858166That's fair.>>153858167And I get that angle too. Caine coming back is horrendous and I try to forget it, but now I'm starting to see the point of what happened to Jax might not actually be the best thing.
>>153856759Sorry Harvey Weinstein liked your underwater episode dude.
>>153858167This is why it works perfectly as a tragedy but falls apart when you argue it’s a cautionary tale lol
>>153858175If having sex with a robot is clanking, is having sex with a wooden mannequin clunking?
>>153858194You forgot your carlos pic sir
>>153858194No it's drilling
>>153858194lol
>>153858167>And if you're going to take back caine despite him doing infinitely worse shit than jaxNothing Caine did up till the end of episode 8 was worse than what Jax subjected the cast to. But yes, the gang already established they would happily take Jax back and included him as one of them, even without an apology. It's Jax who chose to separate himself.
>>153858185>This is why it works perfectly as a tragedy but falls apart when you argue it’s a cautionary tale lolHonestly where I'm arriving at but replace cautionary tale with "morality tale."The narrative has quickly become about how TADC is about how suicide is good because it's all about an evil person being successfully punished with suicide. That's a super gross moral AND the actual show plays this all off as a sad and tragic scene instead of a positive and triumphant moment AND Caine comes right back and is forgiven right away so as a "justice against the wicked" story self righteously glorifying suicide it's a piece of shit. 4chan has decided it is. But I'm not sure it's supposed to be.As a sad story or tragedy instead it's all suddenly fine.
