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the great debate
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>>2799571

who cares
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Circular saws are one thing that corded rapes cordless. Also angle grinders and vacuums.... Anything with a high draw long run time motor actually.
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>>2799582
I bought a cordless orbital sander because of some things I wanted to sand away from power but I'm starting to wonder if I should have bought a corded and an extension cord. Anything constantly running really chews through batteries.
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>>2799571
Corded until the universal battery
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Its very simple and applies for all high-draw powertools; if you're working far from an outlet where an extension cord for whatever reason is seriously impractical beyond irrational cord-hatred from battery fanboys, you go cordless. Otherwise, you go corded.

There is no debate, if you think all your tools need to be cordless just for the sake of it in an average shop setting, you're a retarded battery fanboy nigger who just want to buy expensive battery tools to flex to other equally retarded niggers.
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>>2799571
Simple, corded if your a man who works for a living, cordless if not.
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>>2799627
t. doesn't actually have a job
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>>2799582
Corded circular saws aren't much different from cordless these days, especially brushless. They're just louder. They use that to their benefit because retards think a louder tool is a better tool.
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>>2799585
if you attach a vacuum to it its basically tethered anyway, so yeah
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>>2799627
I feel like it's the opposite if anything, pros need to be able to work on jobsites where there's no power and the extra cost of a cordless saw and the big batteries necessary to run it is justifiable for them, an amateur cares way more about price and will usually be working at home where there's easy access to wall power.
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>>2799571
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>>2799582
You would’ve been right like 8 years ago, but we have recently gotten to the point where 7-1/4” cordless circ saws with he right battery are as good as corded.
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>>2799670
You can feel all you want it doesn't make it any truer, pros need to get the job done, they aren't going to be fucking around swapping and charging battery packs that last 10 minutes each.
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>>2799571
>corded rapes cordless
t. too poor for batteries
yeah corded tools can be more powerful, no in a circular saw its not necessary to have more power than battery can give, yes not having a cord is extremely liberating.
i was anti cordless maybe 20 years ago being salty about a battery that died after a year of light use but the chemistry is just much better now
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>>2799631
>>2799571
My father is a plumber and I worked with him every summer until I was 25.
All his tools are corded.
New plumbers fell for the cordless ads and they are just slaving themselves away to buy batteries, chargers and spend 1 hour after work to sort out the batteries and their charged state.
What if you fuck up your charging routine after work? Are you going to work tomorrow?
What if your house has an overnight blackout? Are you going to work tomorrow?
So, you pay double the upfront purchase cost and a battery tax and the charger tax to have the privilege of not going to work.
A corded drill will last decades. A cordless might last as much as the corded's first brush replace.
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>>2799711
The hassle of changing out a battery is far less than the hassle of dragging a cord around a workspace. The cord is useful in a job where you literally hold the trigger down for ten minutes straight but the majority of tasks are not like that and are much better suited for a cordless tool.
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also >>2799718 is retarded and your father is a boomer. No one has enough batteries that they spend an hour every day sorting them. That is an asinine fantasy you have made up to justify your use of corded tools.
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>>2799724
Ok, you might be right.
How many batteries would I need to work 8 hours on a job that requires me to saw and stick weld 8 inch pipes?
I am not even considering drilling concrete for said pipes.
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>>2799720
Stop being so reasonable!

Also it’s all strawmen arguments, like back in the day where your NiCd pack needs to be charged for 2 hours before every use because they don’t hold a charge worth a damn. I can charge up a 6.0Ah pack in under an hour, put it on a shelf for a few months, then stick it in the cordless saw and chop enough lumber for most any afternoon project before I need to grab another battery.

And as with so many corded tools, they’re almost all dated designs. Cordless saws are running with magnesium shoes standard and brushless motors and thin kerf low mass blades that run for longer and cut better. Hell, my 6.5” cordless saw has nearly the same cut depth as the 7-1/4” corded Craftsman because of a better design and motor.
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I was once a cordfag. I liked feeling superior to battery-users with my more powerful, more robust tools. And then I worked for a fella who only had cordless tools. Got a lot of work done. Never had to step over that damn cord. Never had to move it out of my way before making it a cut. Never had it get caught on something while I was working. It was great.
Ran out of battery? Cool, head over to the chargers we plugged in as soon as we got on site and swap out for one of the four fresh ones. nbd dude
It's true, that cord brings great power -- but you don't need very much power if your blades are sharp and you get your shit done.
The majority of the work I'm doing is framing. My cordless circ saw lasts me most of the day. I don't use a chop saw.
I don't have to use my sawzall nonstop. I don't have to use my vacuum nonstop. My four backup batteries have plenty of time to recharge while I'm working.
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>>2799730
Are you doing anything besides cutting pipes? If you’re a rookie and they put you on a cutting station for 8 hours straight while the other dudes do all the work that takes a couple more brain cells, then the corded saw could be for you.

Meanwhile most people using circ saws are measuring, making a couple cuts, then fitting and fastening the piece. The rookie cutting station isn’t what most guys do,

When was the last time anybody saw a plumber with a corded sawzall? Those are much more used by the average plumber than circular saws and they all use cordless.

>>2799735
Not having an extension cord hang up on the edge of a board in the middle of a cut is such a luxury.
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>>2799730
What battery powered tool would ANYONE be using to cut that much 8-inch pipe?
Obviously there's a use-case, and that isn't it. You're not arguing in good faith. I doubt any batteryfag here is trying to claim that ALL power tools would be better off on a battery.

If you have a job that needs a dedicated 8-in pipe cutter, you may as well haul in a proper (i.e. not handheld) bandsaw.
And are you suggesting that anyone on /diy/ is advocating for mass adoption of cordless welders?
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>>2799730
Are you a gofer? If you've been given the unenviable task of chopping up pipe for 8 hours straight you may very well benefit from a corded tool. In any other situation you should know that the act of putting a blade through a piece of pipe is only a tiny fraction of what you spend most of your day doing.
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>>2799743
>You're not arguing in good faith
dude, I am not swirling water in a bucket, nor am I screwing screws in foam.
my job as a plumber is to install pipes. When I get a job to do a heating installation on a 5 floor concrete building that will have 5 to 10 60000 BTU diesel heaters, then I will have to install hundreds of meters of metal pipes which start from 8 inches and go through the entire building to end up in half and 3/4 in each heating element.
When I get a contract to work on a new army facility, I have to place all the electrical wires inside 1/2 and 3/4 metal pipes, galvanized or not, so I have one person cutting pipes and taping them all day long.
>>2799745
we once had a contract to add a ventilation system on an indoor fish farm. out of the 5 people, one was all day with a circular saw cutting the sides of the aluminium canals (is this the right term? ) so that we can put the grills.
This is a regular occurence, to have one job at the site and do it all day long.
even on small jobs you have to be prepared for everything. Us europeans use concrete for our houses and we have to use tools to do our jobs.
If it were a compressed sawdust house, I might use my fist to open holes.
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>>2799710
…there is one makita that is just barely as good as corded., and only for 10 minutes.
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>>2799571
brushless corded is the future.
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>>2799752
So you're not the gofer but you're hiring the gofer. Give that guy a corded saw for his station. Everyone else should be using cordless. I don't care what gayass euro concrete mix you're using, a cordless SDS hammer will go through it.
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>>2799752
obviously us yanks should be bowing to your euro skill and superior 220v electrical systems. there's no possible was we could have built hundreds of thousands of miles of x-country pipeline with nothing but flathead engine powered welders and oa gas axes. nary an extension cord to be seen
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>>2799756
> will go through it
So will a dremel if you only have toys and plenty of free time.
The cost of uneducated zoomer labour is so high, it pays off to buy my guys corded tools…In the first hour.
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>>2799761
no it doesn't
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>>2799738
> When was the last time anybody saw a plumber with a corded sawzall
Yesterday and today.
Ripping out undersized iron gas pipe and replacing it with 1" for these new “tankless” water heaters.
It’s an everyday occurrence.
Also the anvil/threader in picrel isn’t fucking cordless either, jesus christ… stop watching house flippers and handyman tv shows shilling cordless and batteries to housewives.
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>>2799730
You should be using a torch.
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>>2799571
Only fools debate. The rest of us own corded, cordless, and pneumatic as serves our purpose and therefore need not compromise. If we want site power we arrange or bring gensets.

Nothing is hard. Tool choices least of all. If you use them tool costs are trivial over time. Battery costs are trivial over time. Air compressor costs are trivial early if you're smart then even less over time. If you need something large and expensive you rarely use, rent it if profitable. Tools are money so measure everything with money.

There are multiple ways which are "good enough" for most tasks. A niche task may benefit from specialty items like a CO2 power cylinder and pneumatic tools to work in explosive atmospheres, so those exist. (I use mine for vehicle tire inflation, MIG welding and blowguns if away from my various compressors.)

>>2799604
Tool costs are trival and battery costs are trivial (at least in the only country that matters, Burgerland) so I run a mix. My batteries last many years beyond where their cost mattered (I date mark them on purchase).

Cordless rule in tasks like mechanic work in salvage yards where there is no shore power. The first LS drivetrain I cut free bought the new recip saw that did it (Diablo blades are love). Of course the only salvage yard impact option is cordless which are now so good I scrapped my old pneumatics (I mostly use air for abrasive blasting and needle scaling with some die grinding on little shit).

Corded angle grinders (and a few cordless for cutting away from shore power) are the best fit for my welding setup which implies power availability anyway. Battery bulk on large grinders is an asspain because smaller for a given power is better and as six or seven inch angle grinder is generally ideal. I have nine inchers but rarely need them since I can bevel with an OA/OP torch.
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There is no debate. Use what you got. If you are working and getting paid well you can figure out which one is useful in each instance.
I like corded tools when I don't move a ton/working at a station. I like cordless when I have to go up and down ladders and other shit high up. my shit is old, but my favorite cordless tool will always be the drill. Favorite corded tool is the jackhammer/roto hammer.
Least favorite cordless tool ... IDK. Least favorite corded tool is the harbor freight angle grinder that makes my hand go numb in like 2 minutes of concrete grinding.
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>>2799772
> Air compressor costs are trivial
You say that shit now because you don’t know
that they have already jumped the shark with consumable battery shills and sheisters obsession with scamming. They can’t help themselves.
Anyway, it was always a scam. It’s just sad it’s become normalized and zoomers have no critical thinking skills.
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>>2799778
> needs picrel
Picrel.
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>>2799718
>>2799718
>What if you fuck up your charging routine after work? Are you going to work tomorrow?

I don't. Not joking, but should that happen I have multiple inverters and can and charge using my vehicles on the way to my rental property. When salvaging I charge when driving to lunch if it's an all day pillage.

>What if your house has an overnight blackout? Are you going to work tomorrow?

Not being gay besides my trucks with inverters I have a generator to cover for blackouts. Despite fairly frequent outages (apparently the power poles in my area are magnetic as they draw vehicles) I rarely need it because of my battery and inverter collection.

>So, you pay double the upfront purchase cost and a battery tax and the charger tax to have the privilege of not going to work.

Straw man. I've never been prevented from work due to lack of charging because as an adult I lead a coldly planned life including redundant backups (which also include corded tools as tool cost is trivial over time). Given sufficient use handheld tool cost (all of them) is background noise.

>A corded drill will last decades. A cordless might last as much as the corded's first brush replace.
Don't buy garbage. My first cordless set from the early oughts is a V28 Milwaukee every bit as good and sharing some parts with contemporary corded tools. I'm abusive and the sole cordless tool failure I've had was an ancient V28 cordless grinder I abused by running 6" disks. I replaced the part and still use the grinder now and then but it's outpowered by my later grinders (which I also modded for larger disks because 6" thin kerf disks are love).

I repair and maintain all my equipment and consider it fun. Payback time at my use level is rapid and after that it's measurable win. Not dragging cords saves my precious time which is worth money because I can get more done and tidy up quicker.

My cordless portable welders come in many sizes as I collect and rebuilt acetylene gear. Shit's FUN.
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>>2799782
ok consoomer. keep giving your money to the battery tribe until you die, israel thanks you for your contribution.
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>>2799778
MY compressor costs are trivial because I buy used industrial units which being three phase frighten the weak. My rotary phase converter gives no fucks. I run two 5HP (real shit, not mystery zipperhead motor imaginary HP) units whose first motor once started complements the RPC when starting the second. The pair of Saylor-Bealls (still US-made pumps to this day) was $250 at a lamp shop auction (I look for auctions where most buyers are not hardcore gearheads.) That's how I got 10HP worth on a lighter less expensive single phase electrical outlet and can run one or both as demand suggests. Plumbing is 3/4" red hose with Chicago couplings (with smaller whips before handheld tools) and a fat industrial receiver tank (only $150 because noobs don't know what they're good for).

Plumb with hose and SOOW cable drops and shop reconfig is very low effort. When something interesting follows me home it's up and running swiftly because I buy shit to use.

My other comps include an old 5HP US-made Sanborn head I bought in the '80s with a GE US-made single phase 240V motor that replaced the original budget turd, a 5HP industrial DeVilbiss and a couple of US smaller cast iron commercial portable comps. I place them anywhere I might want air so I never have to move a compressor or drag hose very far. (Look for old US-made Speedaire too, not the new shit. The head is what matters.) The kitchen compressor (why dust a house without one and it's nice for dusting computers) is a corded Makita. I've never had a bad Makita since their old angle grinders which are a match for B&D Wildcat.

As for "not knowing" I've done industrial, automotive and aircraft work for decades including spec'ing, outfitting and running military and civilian tool rooms which I was tasked with because I have obvious fun doing it well.

Who would live this life if they didn't get a kick out of it?
DO IT, faggots.
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>>2799571
I like to have my corded skilsaw set up at a work station somewhere for if I have to make a bunch of cuts or rip plywood but i will probably use my cordless 7 1/4 metabo 90% of the time as i'm moving around the jobsite making cuts on the go. They're both useful but the cordless gets a lot more use at this point.

>>2799718
>A corded drill
Anon, people haven't used corded drills on jobsites for decades. That's ridiculous. You're just a weekend warrior, why do you think your opinion is even relevant here?
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>>2799829
all amerimutts do when your choice is between gutless 18v cordless drills or gutless 120v corded drills. but the choice doesn't matter when all their buildings are made of styrofoam lol. real builders only use corded becauses they're drilling concrete instead of american bullshit.
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>>2799842
What lol
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>>2799842
>american houses are trash
picel where anon lives
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>>2799766
shouldn't you be using a fucking grinder or band saw instead of a fucking sawzall with carbide teeth?
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>>2799766
So you work in a plumbing shop, not on jobsites, huh?

>>2799754
>extent of anon’s knowledge is one Youtube vid with limited tests
Go try using them
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>lol if you like battery tools so much why aren't there battery powered threaders, benders, core drills, excavators, sawmills, cranes, or trenchers? Checkmate, batteryfags.
Please, anon, you're embarrassing yourself. Nobody is saying that all tools are better with a battery. Just most handheld portable power tools.
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>>2799585
yea buying an under powered sander is a dumb move. why stretch out the missery? mine has 500w and i think it could use some more
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cons
>power needs to go off in house to continue working on it or there is no power to begin with so you need a generator to power the tools
>need infinity extension cords
>have to maneuvre ladders and shit around cords
>have to maneuvre tool itself around cord
>have to maneuvre yourself around the cord
>cord gets pulled out of socket somewhere when your in the middle of working in an out of the way area like an attic.

pros
>cheaper than cordless before you take the cost of extension cords & generators into account
>no need to purchase expensive are proprietary batteries


most of my main shit is cordless, specialty tools that I use here and there I get corded.
like a table saw or electric planer, etc
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>>2799935
> work in plumbing shop
No, we haul it in. If we can’t we just use SS corrugated gas pipe.
The point is, we have shit like that anyway, so corded sawzall and corded holehawgs are no brainers.
Often we’re hauling in the pipes and stuff anyway, as well, so we have our trucks and generator, gas for brazing, etc, etc.
It’s not that much different from a carpenter, I mean can you imagine the hilarity of something like a cordless chopsaw or tablesaw?

The scenario for cordless tools is walking alone in the forest with no electricity and you want to build a house so you pull out your fully charged sawzall (because you carried no materials) to chop down some trees. You realized it only was able to partially get through one tree and it’s out of batteries, so you sit down under the tree cradling your dead cordless sawzall wondering if you should have left it in your vagina.
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>>2799882
> whadabout grinders? whatabout portaband?
Sometimes. Grinders are for grinding. You can’t get a portaband into a ceiling crawlspace and it’s a lot heavier. Have you see those?
Sawzall TORCH blades are standard shit. If you have a corded recip saw, why the fuck DONT you have carbide blade? For a homeowner it will last longer than the tool. 10 times longer than the tool if cordless.
A lot of the cordless skilsaws come with these special thin-kerf blades with dimensions in convienient 11/64" coated in KY and astroglide so they don’t get bogged down and stall. It’s the same for the cordless recip saws, the teeth on the torch blade are relatively huge, so it will rape your cordless tool and leave it bleeding in the corner.
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anything with a high RPM that uses a battery is never going to last long
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>>2799939
Most of those things come in gas or diesel-powered versions too, which is basically the large equipment equivalent of battery.
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>>2800036
I'm a carpenter and I've never seen a cordless table saw but we use a cordless chop saw all the time on the job. It literally lasts days for my 3 man crew. Welcome to the future boomer.
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You can really tell that 90% of /diy/ is faggot diyers in this thread because all the actual tradesmen know that the convenience of cordless tools far outweighs the hassle of charging batteries in almost all cases.
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>>2800069
faggot diyers like batteries too
cordfags are just a vocal minority of contrarians
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>>2800069
>tradesmen
not everyone is a trade cuck building mc mansions
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>>2800069
>90% of /diy/ is diyers
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>>2799670
ever heard of a generator?
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>>2800036
>>2800067
I'm a carpenter and I love my cordless table saw.
Also loved having a cordless chop-saw on site when the boss brought his.
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>>2800067
> cordless chop saw
Do you clip it on your belt and cut rafters with it up there? That’s not the best way to use it. You should probably get some help using a skilsaw.
Also, it’s interesting that there is no electricity where you work, I assume you have battery powered flashlights to do everything or have to work only during the day in buldings with windows.

>>2800069
> tradesmen
There’s quite a difference in what a “tradesman” is, apparently.
Picrel is the do-nothing faggot with his rechargeable iPad on site. This is the cordless likker’s idea of what trades are like, but you’re not seeing the other 99% that actually do everythhing.
Now that I think of it, it seems clear that the idea thhat cordless tools would be appropriate came from the idea of cell phones. Since all a zoomer knows is how to fidget with his fucking phone all day, it might seem apparent to him that cordless tools for, say drilling a small hole in a prop piece of 1x, might get the job done on actual non-woke work sites where everyone doesn’t call in sick twice a week to recover from their gender re-assignment surgery.
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>>2799711
lmao nigga, you clearly aren't a tradesman. The only corded tools I see on jobsites are table saws, roto hammers, and sometimes miter saws but those are kinda 50/50. The only reason they are corded is because they are high draw and also largely because they're pretty expensive and hard to justify replacing if you already own a corded one. The last time I ever saw a corded circular saw was 2 years ago and it was being held by a scraggly looking crackhead.

I can't imagine dragging a cord around a jobsite drilling holes to pull wire through all day. What a fucking mess. Hell, even right angle drills (a fairly high draw tool) can run for most of a day on a single 6.0 ah battery. There's almost no reason not to be cordless.
You're gay

-Electrician
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>>2800174
Thanks for the not so needed input, next I'll ask a plumber about electricity.
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>>2800174
It’s not a corded/cordless debate.
It’s a zoomer problem. That’s all. They don’t work, don’t want to work, don’t know how to get work done even if they wanted to. They think “new” automatically means better. I doubt zoomers could figure out how to plug in a corded tool and proceed to use it for 13 hours straight.
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Hates me cords
Hates me brushes
Luvs not paying to charge me batteries
Simple as
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>>2800189
Only corded tools I ever see plumbers use consistently are roto hammers
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>>2800191
60 years ago they said the same thing about boomers because they were watching TV all day
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Anyone who is a tradesman by profession will use corded 90% of the time. Yes sometimes cordless can be a lifesaver or time saver, but when you are drilling out a new rough in you're gonna want a corded right angle drill every single time.
t. state licensed plumber.
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Lots of my jobs are things like park pavilions and pergolas. Free-standing structures without power nearby.
I am NOT bringing two or more 100ft cords to reach the nearest buliding + three/four/five 25 or 50ft cords on a splitter to keep my tools running.
>skilsaw
>miter saw
>table saw
>air compressor
>drill
>sawzall
>sometimes a grinder
>sometimes a router

You're whack if you think constantly plugging in and unplugging these tools to avoid so many cords is any kind of solution -a little bit of that is okay; a lot of that is really really not acceptable. And corded tools tend to be heavier and bulkier, and thus don't fit as nicely in my truck, and are that much harder to carry out to where they need to be if I can't drive right up to where I'm working. I'll stick with batteries for carpentry tools, thank you.
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>>2800164
No you dumb faggot i use my cordless circular saw to cut rafters. The cordless mitre saw comes out for finish work when you don't want to deal with a mess of extension cords inside a house, especially when the electricians haven't finished installing outlets yet and there's not enough power to go around.

>>2800140
That's right bitch
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>>2800219
Anyone? Really? Then why the fuck do I as a PROFESSIONAL never see them for standard construction tools and only for high draw shit?

I work with a lot of plumbers, different subs for different generals. You know what they all have in common? Cordless tools. Go to bed grandpa
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>>2800191
>battery is le bad because muh zoomer oomer reeeee
You're such a fucking pretentious retard holy shit.
I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you'll probably fail at that too.
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>>2799670
I work in a woodshop and use a corded 7 1/4" to hog material off tenons and notches without spinning the blade down between passes
needless to say, this will kill any cordless saw within a couple joints by overheating it and tripping protection, or just draining the battery
if all you're doing is crosscutting kd doug fir 2x4's cordless is fine though
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My DeWalt circular saw would last for about 5 2x4s before crapping out. I was not using the best battery, but what am I going to do, spend 100 on a new battery or buy a corded Makita for 50 off Craig's list. Easy choice. The Makita is going strong after 2 years of use. I don't even know where the DeWalt is, it is unusable.
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>>2800226
> mess of extension cords
Yeah, guy… usually all the trades show up at the same time on the same day on your planet eh?

I forgot zoomers are afraid of cords. Probably the most frequent cause of zoomer death, tripping. Well, that and gender change surgery.

>>2800224
> corded are bulkier
I guess you’ve been using cordless tools without batteries? If you can’t handle the bulk, your wife can help you carry the batteries while you’re fixing outhouses with your angle grinder.
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>>2800331
Corded tools are all like 1980s designs and are generally bulkier than modern brushless cordless tools
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>>2800283
> I have a 1.5ah free pancake battery with thousands of recharge cycles on it, and it only cuts 5 x 2*4's

I worked for a Journeyman, who, like you, had old as fuck low capacity batteries inappropriate to the tool and task. He would loan his second-hand tools to his helpers (dewalt) while he used the newer Milwaukee's. He also had those free batteries, from 2016, and we could get through a dozen 1/2" EMT cuts, before the fully charged, fresh off the charger, battery died.

Bought generic dewalt batteries, for 2x for $60. 5 ah. NOT real XR's, but far better than that junk.
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>>2800280
> Corded for high-drain, continuous work. Cordless for everything else.
Exactly, use the correct tool for the task.
>>2800235
> Go to bed, grandpa.
He's still working with lead-acid and nicad. Go easy on him.
>>2800224
> remote site, no power.
You can bring one of those 2kw ultra quiet harbor freight generators if you really need to run power, and run corded onsite. If it were me, I'd also get a WZRELB (decent full sine wave you can find on ebay) 2 or 3 kw inverter and wire it into your truck, under the passenger seat. When you go offgrid, you must have redundant sources of AC power.
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>>2800348
* edit: 'for that which would be most effective to be corded onsite.'

I am not suggesting you switch to corded.
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>>2799788
>Based house dusting with 150 PSI
I do this. I had compressed air lines throughout a previous house I owned, and am currently working out the kinks of doing it in my current house. Gonna throw a compressor in my crawlspace and put a switch to operate it in my laundry room, and 3-4 outlets thru the house (it's a 1600 sf ranch, I don't need a ton of them). My exes thought I was nuts until they saw the utility of it.
Right now I use an 18v Ryobi blower to dust the place. Works great also, but a little clunky in size.
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>>2800346
Same thing happened to me with old NiCd packs on the DeWalt 18V XRP tools. On a newer brushless saw, a 4.0Ah battery will get through most afternoon jobs before needing a charge. The brushed NiCd tools could be bogged down, but that isn’t happening with good brushless stuff and the right battery as long as you’re not doing shit that would stall a corded saw.
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>>2800333
> generally bulkier, 1980s design.
Yeah, it’s perfected and standardized. Why change? Newer is not better.

Can you imagine if… in the 1980s… instead of standard outlet cords that plug into the wall of your country… you had to pay $200 for a special wall adapter with a big transformer in it? And the plugs were different across every manufacturer? And each manufacturer had multiple types of plugs and multiple incompatible adapters with different voltages? The manufactures also “change up” the plug style every few years just make sure you keep buying new $200 adapters. The adapters typically “burn out” every few years if you use the tool too much, or leave it out in the cold, or leave it plugged in, etc. The adapter module for a skilsaw only works for 10 minutes continuously, then it has to “cool down” for 4 hours and it’s ready to go for another 9 minutes.

This all seems normal in the the cordless world, although it’s probably much worse. If you want to look rich just post a tiktok video of yourself burning money pick up your father’s corded tools that have been working longer than you’ve been alive and get back to fucking work.

> brushless is cordless
No, it fucking isn’t. I have power tools that use brushless induction motors that were my grandfather’s and I’m old.
A lot of pro grade tools used induction motors, like table saws. And most of them are still working. Even the pro-grade version of what you would call a “dremel” was induction.
Besides, hikoki makes corded “brushless” tools if that’s what you want, although I don’t see what the advantage is. Brushed tools last thousands of hours before you have to change the brushes
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>>2800503
>although I don’t see what the advantage is
fast motor break
faster acceleration
more efficient motor, more shaft power and less heat
higher rpm possible, brushed tools are held back by centrifugal force acting on the rotor windings.
"brushless" corded tools have been a thing for a century. fein used to build 3 phase power tools (angle grinder, screw driver) that require a special transformer for foundries or assembly lines. What changed between 1960 and now is we have igbt's and can build that shit in the handle
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>>2800503
That’s a lot of copium right there. You’re going to be in the copium den all weekend, huh?
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>I love going on messageboards and complaining about tools I've never used
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>>2800515
> motor brakes only exist on battery operated tools
No. My 25 year old chopsaw has a brake. So does my table saw.
> faster “acceleration”
No so as you’d notice. That might even be false. Corded easily pull 50 amps at start-up, briefly.
> more “efficient”
Probably. Efficiency is important for cordless cucks without an unlimited supply of power.
> brushed tools are held back
Bullshit. This is copium. They are not held back, they’re fine at 30,000 rpm if you varnish the windings. Think routers.
You’ll be fascinated to know about torque developed natively by motors and, while googling and skimming the results and misinterpreting them as you did, look up “gears”
> fein, 3 phase
3 phase is common in industry. No shit. So? Sounds like european shit. A friend of mine moved here from Britain (or whatever it’s called now) and had to buy huge transformers for all her appliances she wanted to keep using.

Most power tools use mosfets, igbts are usually used on bigger things like your electric car that I assume you have. If not, why not go balls deep and get yourself a tesla and be elon’s cuck instead of zheng’s at TTI.

>>2800535
At least the other guy isn’t just a cordless shill. He was just scammed. And that’s okay… it happens to all of us. We learn from it, and move on. I’ve bought my fair share of cordless tools over the years… lead acid, nicd, li-ion, etc.
My wife still uses the remaining cordless drills that still work in the kitchen… she chucks in a mixing attachment or a spoon with a round shaft and whips, beats, or stirs things. It’s great for that natural peanut butter that settles out, too
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>bepis the loser talking to himself again
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>>2800561
dude you are seething.
take a pill.
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>>2800574
No, not at all. I just think corded tools are all most people really need, and cordless, while sometimes convenient for small jobs, or where there’s no outlet, are a bit of a scam. A battery scam.
I noticed even the “beefy” cordless tools themselves are built with lighter-weight components than their corded counterparts. Smaller bearings, or bushing where there shoukd be a bearing, smaller/thinner gears, etc. I don’t think they are intended to last much longer than their battery packs.
Maybe hilti or festools. The rest of the stuff all looks pretty much the same with minor plus/minus 10% differences.

Like makitas battery busting microwave oven.
If that’s not jumping the shark in desperation, I don’t know what is.
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>>2800593
'cause insulting people for their opinions and pretending you're superior to them because you use a real man's tool or some bullshit doesn't scream
>I'm insecure
>I'm angry
>I'm immature
Right?
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>>2800593
>overdosing on copium

The cool thing is if you don’t plan on using your cordless drill as a hammer all day, you can build it with a lighter weight and ergonomic design and still have more power than the ancient mud-mixin corded variant!
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>>2800593
>sometimes convenient for small jobs, or where there's no outlet
>sometimes
You mean all of the time faggot. Just maintaining a house alone, everyone knows there is a shit ton of small jobs and places where there is no outlet nearby so you might as well get the cordless. The only tools with cords should be stationary tools or tools that will require a lot of power, even then a gas-powered version might be better for the latter, Fucking faggot shill I can tell you're a little faggot who barely does shit and loves wasting time fiddling with cords trying to figure out how to rope yourself—"oh hold on let me get my big ass 100 foot extension cord to screw in something real quick" kys fucking braindead wopmutt faggot pos boomer
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>>2800598
you're projecting, faggot
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>>2800331
If you're doing finish carpentry it's a mess of extension cords just with one trade going. Table saw, mitre saw, router, sander, track saw, jigsaw, compressor + appropriate nailguns... Only thing we usually have hooked up to the extension cord is a couple of chargers and the table saw.
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>>2800645
I get pissed off doing it in the garage for hobby stuff. I’m still thinking about cordless jigsaw, but I’m glad I got a better cordless circular saw than the little free 5.5” Ryobi. The miter saw is already plugged into a cord, then I would have to run one for the regular circ saw before, and then the orbital sander, jigsaw, and oscillating multitool which gets used as a detail sander are corded. Router table is corded but that’s not a huge deal. I just got a corded palm router which I probablt should’ve gone 18V but the deal was too good to pass up and it was hard to spend $150+ on an 18V Ridgid that will only see limited use in my twice a year doing wood projects.

But that’s like half a dozen cords and a lot of my stuff is cordless. Imagine adding corded drills on top of that, it would be a tangled mess.
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>>2800217
boomers weren't watching tv all day 60 years ago. TV all day shit probably did come about until the 80s-90s
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>>2800729
They didn't need literal 24/7 broadcasting for the greatest generation to complain that kids are watching 'the boob tube' all day.
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>>2800431
Ditch those and get the slide adapter. Dewalt makes their own, and there are several decent third parties.
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>>2800598
> real man’s tool
No, man. Even for the homeowner, who uses a drill once or twice a year, corded is going to be the way to go. For openers, they’re way cheaper. They are always ready to go, and you don’t have to maintain and babysit battery packs. Coded tools are a lot more durable, too. I’m not loaning-out anything with a battery, but it’s way harder to destroy a corded.
Another “benefit” to corded is that I’ve never had one stolen. The only coded tools that are likely to be stolen are hilti. I’ve also never left any corded tool in drop ceilings, crawl spaces, or electrical panels. Cordless ? Lots! Even swapping out the battery, I sometimes “put it somewhere, just till I finish this cut” and it’s gone forever in a wall or something. And yes I have those belt clip adapters but too many brands to keep them al on my belt at the same time. Not including flashlights and tape measures.

Although, I’m guessing newer li-ion chargers go into a float-charge maintenance mode, so it’s not as bad as the old days where you take your NiCd pack out after 2 years of non-use and the thing is burning hot to the touch.
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>>2800880
Yes, the homeowner who wants to drive a dozen screws a year, unroll 100ft of extension cord to mount that new mailbox your wife loved instead of spending $59 on a Hart or Ryobi drill. Haven’t charged the pack in 6 months? You will be fine, there’s probably still 2 bars left on the battery. Slap it on the charger after your done and it will be good to go again in 6 months.

>>2800823
I got rid of all of those 18V DeWalts. Not trying to deal with those adapters. Also the brushless motors were a huge upgrade on a ton of tools and i’m glad I went that route.
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>>2800645
> mess of extension cords
Generally we have a fat 12 ga main extension with multiple taps. You can by a pretty nice extension cord for the price of one battery. A lot of that other shit we put into a main area, so it’s not that bad, there’s basically one cord, and you tap everything off in a “star” from that one point. Drywalll gun, for example is only 7 or 8 amps, so smaller cords.
As you said, the nailers we have are all pneumatic, the compressor is in the middle and we have hoses and splitters to contend with anyway. We use a fat reel hose and tap off with those disposable coil hoses.

Anyway, it’s not the biggest problem. Cord management is just a skill like anything else.
If you can only work in a 100% completely clean and hazard free environment, construction is not for you. After 40 years, I can work in all kinds of horrible conditions. Outside in the rain, minus 30 degrees (again, good luck with l-ion there eh?… corded work better in the cold), no food, water, or bathrooms…
I just think a couple of cords is among the least of your worries and exemplifies a 1st world zoomer problem.
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>>2800883
> mount a mailbox 100 feet away
I don’t live on a farm. And we abolished residential mailboxes 20 years ago.
A farmer is also going to have a generator, and a truck, so no issues there.
If I was mounting it out there I’d use a manual screwdriver—see picrel—or a PL premium and glue it on.
I’m not buying a fucking 100 ft extension, and a drill for a couple of screws… jeez, the zoomer worldview these example scenarios come from.

I see this kind of thing all the time, suggesting power tools for tiny jobs. Then these guys pay money for roids, gym memberships, yoga, and their breakdancing class.
Want to stay in shape? Volunteer as an unskilled labourer with your local contractor building houses for the poor.
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>>2800889
When was the last time you sunk a handful of 3” screws with a screwdriver and no pilot hole?

Also plenty of McMansions have a mailbox at the end of a driveway and the nearest outlet is inside the living room of the house.

>a farmer is going to have a generator
That’s way fucking more convenient to wheel out to the mailbox than an 18V battery!

Pic related. There’s a battery in that pic. Which will you choose?
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There are only 2 times I use cordless over corded: When I need to drill holes on a rooftop or in a tall ladder and when I need to cut pipes in narrow spaces with an angle grinder.
Corded is always superior.
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>>2800900
> a hand full of screw
My hand is likely bigger and thicker than yours from all the manual screwing I’ve done over the years. But I’m putting on the mailbox with only two screws, maybe 1 or 2 " at most. It’s like nothing.
It took me longer to type this response than it would to to screw a sheet metal to a 4x4.
If I was using lag bolts for whatever crazy reason, I’d use one of them cordless ratchets in picrel.
I have a few sets of these from maintaining vehicles.
> pilot hole on construction grade timber for a #8 screw
Rmfao… c’mon man.

> haul generator
It’s always in the truck already. You think we’re gonna maintain miles of fence with a ryobi?

> mcmansion.., diy…
Yeah, pretty sure a McMansion dweller is gonna hire a guy like me to do it.
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>>2799571
I grab what's most convenient for the job, there is no debate.
>he doesn't have an unorganized pile of inherited/stolen/impulsively bought tools
you simply don't do anything useful.
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>>2800884
Okay. I'm still going to buy cordless tools because i'm not a broke dinosaur stuck in the 80s.
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>>2800997
That’s fine. Don’t forget to buy a fendi drill to show off how rich you are. Get the one they tell you is solid gold with what they tell you are diamonds encrusting the shell though.
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>>2799571
Corded until you need tools at higher altitudes or difficult environments.

ceilings, sewers, on trees. when people can they should use instead of batteries they should use fuel for those equipment that can´t be corded due to the situation of the worker.

example: cutting trees
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>>2799582
trim routers, flood lights, gas for anything lawn care, chainsaws, definitely quickie saws lol

cordless is extremely nice for finish nail guns

>>2800164
cordless 7" miter saw is pretty slick to just finish some menial punch out
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>>2799571
If you think about attaching a shop vac to it for dust collection, then corded.
If not (like a drill), then cordless.
Anything where dust collection seems sensible will run for a long time and chew through a lot of material while still being tied to a vacuum.
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>>2800883
Funny enough, I just used my cordless saw to deal with some rotted out fencing at the corner of my parents' property today, it's a house in a major city but I just checked and google maps' measure tool says it's 107 feet from the nearest outlet to where I was counting the corner it would've had to go around. Would've meant dragging the cord through a bunch of bushes and stuff too.
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>>2801506
> corded shop vac.
Here’s a brilliant idea:
Put a outlet on the shop vac itself!
Not just any outlet, one that senses if the thing plugged into it is using power, and when it senses so, turn on the vac automatically!
Also have another outlet for for lighting and whatnot that doesn’t trigger the vac.
Fuck, why do I have to think of everything.
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>>2801520
Already a thing, I know the Festool vacs do it and you can also buy inexpensive box things (kinda like a power strip) that you plug both the vac and tools into and it'll run the vac automatically when the tool is drawing.
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>>2801522
Does this have a soft start built into it? I would think turning on 2 large motors simultaneously would trip the breaker too often to be useful.
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>>2801518
Kek. Every excuse against the cordless tools is a strawman or an issue that had been resolved in the past few years. Meanwhile extension cords are still super annoying. I had a cheap HF corded hedge trimmer and some thorny bushes along the back fence, that was so shitty trying to keep the cord out of the way. I now have a cordless hedge trimmer and I can clean up the bushes in less time it takes to unroll the extension cords.



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