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>battery powered chainsaws btfo gas
>they are all made in China
Game changer for the home player
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>>2894262
Heck yea Todd!

I’ve been shilling them for a few years now ever since the first time I got my $99 brushed Ryobi and buried the whole bar into a tree. 18V tools are easily keeping up with 25cc 2-stroke Homelite tier gas tools. And a chainsaw is one of the first tools boomer homeowner should get in 18V because chainsaws are one of those tools that a suburban homeowner might only need once every 2-3 years on their <1/2 acre lot, and if yoi’re not careful, a gas chainsaw isn’t going to start by the third time you need it. At least with the battery saws, you can run the batteries in your drill and curcular saw in the 34 months the chainsaw is sitting on a shelf in the garage with plastic fuel lines rotting away.
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Now I want that DeWalt chain saw.
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>>2894262
electric tools have been superior for several years now, every boomer thinks the shitty electric chainsaw they used 20 years ago represents all electric tools.
I can just plug it in and go, or if it's one of my 40v tools I don't even need to run an extension cord. don't need to fuck around with mixing gas, yanking a pull cord a million times, messing with a carburetor, or frying the neighbor's kid's brain with exhaust fumes.
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>>2894344
>frying the neighbor's kid's brain with exhaust fumes.
Wait, so are you for or against 2-smokes? That sounds like a positive!
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>>2894262
I'd rather lug a 5 gallon jug of gas with me to section my firewood so I'm not standing around like a retard when the battery of the basedsaw runs out 20 minutes into a 5 hour job.
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NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BUY AMERICAN PRODUCTS BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP
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>>2894415
name 1 canadian made power tool
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>>2894400
Who the fuck still burns firewood? You never heard of vacuum solar heaters?
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>>2894417
I burn wood. 100% as our sole heat source. Good wood can pull off 80f+ degree delta. Runs 24/7 with zero requirements except clean out stove and put in wood. No wires, no batteries. Only point of failure is the stove itself. colder it gets the better the stove works.
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>>2894423
what do you think about coal?
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>>2894423
Also with a stove you can dial things in as close as you want. I can follow the burn with small air adjustments ans squeeze every last BTU out of the wood. You would need a shit ton of vacuum solar tubes to heat a house especially the way we keep our heat. its always over 70. We burn all hardwood. Oak and hickory mostly. Our stove top will run at 600 degrees for 4 hours and then slowly fall. There are days in the 20's we can go over 10 hours between loading many times we only reload to avoid the hassle of restarting a fire from a cold stove.
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>>2894425
coal is great if you have a consistent source.
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>>2894262
>battery powered chainsaws btfo gas

Unless I actually want to use it.
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>>2894445
Battery chainsaw are fine for homeowners. Anyone who has land with trees, does firewood or lives rural, you need gas. We have a Husky 460 rancher.
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>>2894262
I bought a "tie toc" model from Papa bezos for 60 USD, it's battery powered, came with 2 batteries, 2 bars, 2 chains. Thing works great for my use, would recommend.
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>>2894451
I have a Ryobi 10" bar 18V several years old for a bit of brush or branch use.
I have a pretty new Stihl MS-170 for clearing use.
I have an ancient McCulloch Pro Mac 55 that I just can't give up and it won't die.
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>>2894456
Our land is all hardwood and has not been logged for almost 100 years so we needed the longer 24 inch bar. I normally use the 18 inch but do need the 24 inch.
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I think a battery powered chainsaw might be ok for some yard work and pruning, but then again a sawzall with a diablo carbide tipped pruning blade is more versatile, and in my experience will rip through a railroad tie or cedar post with minimal fuss. So no I probably wont ever feel the need to get a battery powered chainsaw. You need a gas powered saw to do any real work anyhow. The overlap where a battery powered saw would be useful is so small it just doesn't make any sense.
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>>2894500
I have thought about a battery saw as a backup to cut out a stuck bar.
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>>2894506
>I have thought about a battery saw as a backup to cut out a stuck bar.
That may be a possibility. I have 3 gas saws already though... Or you could always buy an extra bar and have on hand with some extra chains and just take the bar off the saw and swap on another. Be cheaper, plus you'd always have an extra bar on hand for when your original inevitably wears out.
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>>2894500
top handle makita xgt is the shit, bought it to complement my echo cs7310 with 20" bar
use fuckhueg saw to fell and chop to smaller bits and tophandle for branches, naily lumber and all kinds of shit jobs
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>>2894500
+1 for reciprocating saw.
for the occasional fallen tree it's good enough and way safer / low maintenance vs chainsaw.
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>>2894500
>You need a gas powered saw to do any real work anyhow
But that’s the whole point of the video, you don’t. Muh cheap Ryobi 18V chainsaw is much faster on like 8”+ thick trees, and you can do stuff with a chainsaw that you can’t do with a recip saw because the front of the chainsaw bar isn’t bouncing back and forth. Sawzall with pruning blade is better for that like 2”-6” stuff.
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>>2894577
>But that’s the whole point of the video, you don’t. Muh cheap Ryobi 18V chainsaw is much faster on like 8”+ thick trees, and you can do stuff with a chainsaw that you can’t do with a recip saw because the front of the chainsaw bar isn’t bouncing back and forth. Sawzall with pruning blade is better for that like 2”-6” stuff.

That's still piddly little shit... I'm talking about taking down 36" diameter + trees and cleaning up multiple downed trees, shit like that. Actual real work, not, "Oh a branch fell down in my yard"
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>>2894579
The average home owner with a acre of property and has to cut some branches/tree up once a year, has no business with a gas chain saw
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>>2894400
The average “home player” is not spending 5 hours sectioning firewood dumbass.
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>>2894423
Zero requirements except clean out and add wood? Are you the same retard that spends 5hours sectioning his wood?
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>>2894417
Yeah let's see Santa Claus snake his way down a solar vacuum tube. Or even better find a roastie that wants to get piped in front of a solar heater.
Retarded bugman, you won't even get coal.
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>>2894579
See >>2894590

Those things aren’t built for loggers, but they’re great for homeowners that need to cut up 1/3 of a tree that gets knocked off in a spring thunderstorm once every couple years. For a rancher or landscaper who is going to use the saw more than once or twice a month, gas saw might still be a good option depending how long they will be running it.
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>>2894616
>noooo you don't get it, spending 5 hours sectioning wood that you gathered off your property for free to heat your house and workshop for a whole season while trading extra for other goods is BAAAAD
Let me guess, you're going to pretend that I should only use my free time to work normie jobs for goybucks?
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I cleared about an acre of northeast hardwood doghair forest with two huskys for my solar panels to get sun.
I dont heat with wood, my friend does, hes been talking big about his battery echo

He got 3 cuts in a 12" diameter maple, then borrowed my saws. Always showed up with a real one aftee that.

Theres a point where yeah, you just need the real thing. Its when you need to do work, not just clean something up.

For the record, i own and enjoy using a corded electric one by the fire pit when people are over. You can drag over something dead and buck it up without interrupting anything

But they dont have run time, even if they do have power.
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Pff. "Electric". "TwoStroke".
My saw is run by a Diesel engine driving a proper Hydraulic Pump!
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>>2894262
Bullshit, im an arborist and while electric chainsaws have certainly improved they simply do not have the power and battery life necessary for serious tree work. I also feel like they have less control, with gas saws I can temper my cut as needed while the electric ones feel like they go full speed or barely at all.
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>>2894993
When was the last time you have used a cordless one? There’s a huge gap with larger lithium batteries and brushless motors compared to the early 5s 18650 packs
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>>2894651
So it is more than just clean out and add wood. That’s my point Poindexter.
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>>2894993
So, you need to cut for mote than 5 minutes?
I’m not an arborist so I buy a battery powered chainsaw to make one cut on a 2 inch branch, then throw it out.
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>>2895002
Last week, the companies electric saws are only about a year old.
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Price and duration
Like my little 8in saw for brush work on the atv
Like my magnusium Sthil for turning forest into fire wood

Every tool its place
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>>2895003
Yeah, to operate the stove you only need to clean out and add wood, it doesn't need outside services to function.
All wood is gathered from my own property.
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>>2894416
Justin Trudeau
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>>2895469
he's got made in cuba stamped across his face, what else you got?
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>>2894500
I was thinking about trying a reciprocating saw for cutting smallish logs for firewood, safer and a lot less hassle to maintain than a small chainsaw would be. along with the whole general diy application
Looking at 6-10 inch logs a mix of mostly ash and oak and some cypress.

I was thinking a cheapish corded saw to beat up would be a better option than burning through batteries since I can run a cable close enough.
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>>2895534
get an electric chainsaw. my pops bought a factory refurb worx off egay for like $30 and has cut shitloads of wood around his place with it over the last few years. i helped him buck up a heaped pickup load of 4x6 mill ends with it a month ago and it never missed a beat. he buys chinkshit chains and just throws them away when they get dull or hit something because theyre not worth filing
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>>2895105
Wow they shoulda got better saws

>>2895534
If you’re going to go cheap and corded, go buy the like $40 Portland 120V chainsaw from Harbor Freight. It will work great for that. Buy a cordless recip saw for jobs where you want a sawzall. I would go chainsaw if you’re main use is processing those logs, it will be faster and doesn’t shake the shit out of the branch/limb.
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>>2895535
>>2895538
I want the saw for my dad to cut logs, because of his medication he's not allowed to use a chainsaw. we already have a big gas and an electric chansaw we fell trees and cut logs for him when we can but we're not always there.
I thought this might be a solution. was wondering if it would work well enough.
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>>2895540
The Diablo pruning blades go through wood pretty quick, but those aggressive teeth rip in fairly hard so if you don’t have a log or brand secured and the shoe of the saw right up on the wood, it’s going to shake a bunch. Like if you have a 1”-2” thick branch hanging off a tree or bush and try to go at it with the sawsall and pruning blade and you can’t get the shoe up against that branch so you’re cutting in the middle of the blade, it’s going to shake the whole branch like crazy without cutting real fast.

You could go more fine tooth blades, but they’re going to cut green wood super slow.
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>>2895549
OK I understand that it shakes a lot, I'm asking about the practicality of cutting up actual substantial logs ranging up to a max of around 10 inches in diameter and secured in a log vice
We chop the trees down into handleable lengths and weights a couple of feet long and stack them to dry.
I feel like I'm repeating myself here but how well will it work for that task, perhaps a different blade suited for dryer wood could be more appropriate?
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>>2895555
*I want to cut these longer dried logs down to lengths that will fit in the wood burner.
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>>2895555
Checked

And 10” is going to require the max length 12” long pruning blade. The sawzall will get through it, but not as fast as a chainsaw.

Any blade with finer teeth like a typical blade meant for 2x4 demo will be a little smoother but it’s going to take a lot longer to go through a big log.

I think I said it earlier, the sawzall with the pruning blade is nice for stuff that’s too big for the looper but not so big that it will take forever and the chainsaw will be overkill. That sweet spot is like 2”-4”/5”, smaller than that can easily be done with a lopper, larger is better for a chainsaw. The sawzall will do 5”-10” but will take some effort,
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A gas powered saw will run at full power for an hour after taking 10 seconds to put gas and oil in it. Battery powered saws may be neat and practical for an urbanite living on a postage stamp but they'll never replace legit saws on a farm
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>>2895695
>they'll never replace
Lol battery tech is developing at many many orders of magnitude compared to gas that pretty much stalled since the beginning of the century. It's a matter of years until it's the norm even for professional use.

You will use the electric powered chainsaw and you'll be happy.
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>>2895727
>Lol battery tech is developing at many many orders of magnitude compared to gas
How long will that keep going? I'll admit batteries have progressed a lot since the NICAD days, but they're still a long way away from beating gas powered equipment for heavy use.
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>>2894515
Are you that one guy from the Geico horror movie commercial?
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>>2895775
3 is not a lot of chainsaws
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>>2895776
Anything more than one small one for around the yard light duty, plus one really fuckoff big one if you'd actually use it, is a lot
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>>2895778
if you ever truly need something
>2 is 1
>1 is none
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>>2895781
Under what circumstances do you truly need a motorized saw?
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>>2895727
It'll never happen. I've had the same Stihl for 20 years and the most I've had to do is put a clutch kit in it. How many times would I have had to buy new $150 batteries in the same time?
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>>2895834
Imagine the next step in battery tech.
Liquid batteries.
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>>2895837
And we just pull the battery liquid right out of the ground, and the saw uses it as a consumable
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Slight side question, what exactly is the deal with *corded* chainsaws and chaps? There's a million videos online where people disprove the idea they don't stop the torque of battery saws, but I've heard it claimed without details there's something special about corded saws where chaps really are ineffective. True, half-true, bullshit?

>>2895840
Catch is there's only so much of it in the ground, using it spoils the atmosphere, and you have to deal with going and buying more and storing it versus it just coming cleanly generated from the wall into batteries.

Gas is great when it's needed for remote locations or for power (60+cc), but the logistics and UX are a million times better for battery power.
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>>2895843
Bruh you're smoking crack if you legit believe that last bit. The best battery powered tools barely keep up with 25cc 2-strokes. The smallest saw they'll even consider using innalogwoods is 70cc
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>>2895843
Excuse me sir, I use only renewable fuel in my chainsaw.
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>>2895840
>And we just pull the battery liquid right out of the ground, and the saw uses it as a consumable
No you pull it out of the air or water.
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>>2895844
Supposedly, the MSA300 is equivalent to a 50-something cc saw. I have no experience with whether that's true or not. Battery saws will get there, though. Ten years ago Dewalt was selling the DCG412 as a "cutoff tool" because they didn't want to oversell it as an angle grinder, and now they have a nine inch fuckoff Flexvolt that smokes corded.

Weirdly they have no chainsaw with the 96v batteries, but Husqvarna's K1 Pace 14" power cutter absolutely stands up to a K770.
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>>2895775
>Are you that one guy from the Geico horror movie commercial?
No.

>>2895776
>3 is not a lot of chainsaws
This. I actually forgot I have another that needs work too. The wife's little saw got some bad gas in it and needs a piston and jug.

>>2895781
>if you ever truly need something
>>2 is 1
>>1 is none
This 100%

I always grab two saws, saw toolbox with parts, and extra bar oil and gas if I'm going to get some work done. 95% of the time I only use one saw, but if it quits I grab the other and keep on getting work done. Then I can fix the issue with the other saw when I have time.
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>>2894451
A few years ago, I picked up a 40v Ryobi battery saw for like $70 without batteries. Ordered a Chinese knockoff battery, and I've found myself using it more often than my gas Husqvarna. It's just really convenient: it's quiet, no need to start/warm up/idle, don't have to mess with fuel.

To buck wood at the woodshed, I've got a $40 1500w corded electric saw from Harbor Freight. Saves wear on my good Husqvarna, is quiet, and it's always ready to go.
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>>2895727
>It's a matter of years until it's the norm even for professional use.
The fundamental chemistry of batteries (all batteries) has energy density far inferior to hydrocarbon fuel. Battery-powered tools can in principle provide a lot more power than modern gas-powered tools, but no chemical battery even in principle can approach the run times of gas powered tools for comparable weight and work done. If something is going to replace gas for extended work out in the woods, it won't be chemical batteries.
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>>2895961
if pnly there was a good way to oxidise a liquid hydrogen source that was quiet, safe and didn't produce much heat and that was compact enough, light enough and powerful enough power small tools we'd solve almost every foreseeable issue
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>>2895967
>liquid hydrogen
Much lower energy density than liquid hydroCARBONs. Fuel cells have benefits, but the difficulty in handling hydrogen means they're a much more niche technology than either batteries or gas.
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>>2895968
please notice I said
>a liquid hydrogen source
because that's what fuel oil is doing, it's a very dense and stable carrier medium for hydrogen to be later reacted to oxygen.
if there were a way to just use that reaction without wasting energy from exploding it then we'd solve a lot of problems.
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>>2895971
personally I doubt it's possible short of figuring out a way to use mitochondria
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>>2895971
>because that's what fuel oil is doing,
About 60% of gasoline's energy content is from the oxidation of carbon, and the hydrogen in it is not in the "liquid hydrogen" form. That's really not at all what it's doing. The physical and chemical properties of hydrogen are very different from hydrocarbon fuels, which is why energy is usually extracted from them in different ways.

>without wasting energy from exploding
In the case of gas-powered chainsaws, mechanical output is the goal, so explosions work fine. Generally speaking, both fuel cells and heat engines are bound by the same thermodynamic limits, and fuel cells are about as efficient as gas turbine engines.

>>2895974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_carbonate_fuel_cell
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I vill use gas and you vill like it.
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>>2895776
Here's two of my saws that I used just tonight to cut up a tree in my yard. MS310 and a MS290 that I bought for $75. You can see 3 of my 5 weedeaters in the background too. I have well over 5k in 2 stroke equipment overall. 4 saws, 5 weedeaters, post hole digger, backpack blower, and then a husqvarna concrete saw, and a titan post pounder (actually it's a 4 stroke Honda and takes straight gas).
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>>2894262
You'll never get an electric that'll hack through a 50" walnut

Sry boiz
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>>2894262
My dad got the dewalt one many months ago. It's nice, not as powerful as the stihl's but very quiet and still went through old oak when I needed it.
I could 100% see people fed up with 2 stroke action getting electric and just running that, most people who don't use it often it's plenty for.
Really that's the same with most electric battery stuff.
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>>2894423
>zero requirements
>except clean out stove and put in wood
with a gas heater I just set the temp I want and let a maintenance guy in every few months, don't have to run around throwing in wood every few hours like a retard
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>>2896478
Yup
Gas heater and electric tools, just as God intended



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