Watch thread.>Your budget>Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot>Movement, e.g. automatic, hand-wound, quartz>Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd-time zone>Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet>Wrist size or desired watch sizePrevious thread: >>18264057
>>18266025shitard retarrd
Disregarding price and movement, which is the more aesthetic grey-on-grey watch?
>>18266032They're both trash but if I were forced to wear one I'd go with the IWC because it was a respectable brand a while ago.
>>18266034>brand whore opinionLemme guess, I should get a Rolex?
>>18266036>disregarding brand's recognitionngmi
>>18266037I don't give two shits about brand recognition.Tag Heuer for instance was once the absolute laughing stock of watch brands, but a glassbox is now in my top 5 watches to get in the near future.
>>18266044Then just buy a Seiko lmfao retard.
>for that price no lie I'd go on aliexpress and buy a Pagani for £60-£70 you'll get a homage watch that looks just like a Rolex and they're bloody brilliant. Solid build, nice bracket jubilee or oyster. they have a seiko n35a movement in them. you can't go wrong>aliexpress and type in Pagani design submariner. Amy problems with the watch you can send them back and get a refund no probs. they have warehouses in Europe so won't take long to be delivered. They're fantastic no lie>even quartz Pagani Daytona from 10ft away people will think it's a Rolex Daytona. I bought that for £36 lol>yeah 100% dude. it blew my mind when they arrived and the quality of them. I ordered a batgirl last night funnily enough for £55 on a jubilee you can't go wrong. now I will admit the first two of them thay arrived were broken but sent them back and got a refund no probs at all. only took 7-8 dsys to arrive.>when I say broken I mean the bracelet one didn't have a thread on one of the links so wouldn't tighten up and the other a bar in the braclet didn't have the end link so wouldn't stay together but when they're good they're bloody good. I was dubious about getting watches from aliexpress but decided too and wasnt disappointed at all.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001037561342.htmlThoughts? Is he right?
>>18266032IWC, no contestThe rivets themselves are something you don't see in mall watches. The entire (grand) Seiko brand has a wagie/mall watch aesthetic.
>>18266047I have a Seiko.I want something higher end.
>>18266050It's not higher end it's a shitter moron it doesn't matter that it costs $6k when it's a $150 watch.
>>18266053What watch are you even talking about?
>>18266049>The rivets themselves are something you don't see in mall watches.Pretty sure you want an Invicta there bwattybway.
>>18266054The shitbox you covet.
>>18266056But there are two.
>>18266057>Tag Heuer for instance was once the absolute laughing stock of watch brands, but a glassbox is now in my top 5 watches to get in the near future.Read your own posts drugged up 0.5 braincell loser.
>>18266058>Read your own postsThis was my first post: >>18266032Obviously those two are on the "higher" end of watches compared to regular Seikos.And the Tag Glassbox is as well.
>>18266032Right one of course. All in house, all pure japanese. If you want to buy a Chinese watch then get the iwc. Why not.
>>18266062The Ingenieur has better finishing than any Rolex
>>18266062>If you want to buy a Chinese watch then get the iwcPretty much everything about IWC watches is made in-house at Schaffhausen. There are plenty of factory tours you can watch on youtube.The movement was designed by Valfleurier, but apparently even that is actually constructed at IWC according to their website.
>>18266055>bwattybwayDon't hindi me, Rajeesh
>>18266063So does any watch that costs more than 4K
>>182660784K ain't a lot
>>18266044>I don't give two shits about brand recognition.Well then you don't understand luxury watches.
>>18266086I understand that higher end watches tend to have better designs, finishing, materials, ...For instance, I would never buy a Patek over a Grossmann.Patek movements may be nicely finished, but their movement architecture is dogshit across the board.
>>18266085Exactly
>>18266090Compare that to a Patek movement.Sure it may look more intricate and fancy at first glance, but those are random blobular shapes designed specifically to avoid sharp angles that are harder to finish.
>>18266093Soul (of a 60s Tissot)>>18266090Grand Seiko of German watches
>>18266095>Soul of a 60s TissotSoul of a corporate boardroom, you mean.
>>18266090>>18266093>muh movement finishingIt's like the 6th most important thing on my list. All of my watches have a closed caseback. If picrel had a quartz movement, it would still be my absolute grail. The most important things when I buy a watch are>overall designDoes the watch look cool? Are the proportions pleasing to the eye?>reliability and accuracyDoes it keep good time? Is the brand known for being reliable and serious? Can it be serviced or fixed easily?>brand recognition, value retentionYou may think it's pointless and stupid but watches are assets. If I get bored of a watch, or if I end up in a shitty situation, knowing I can trade it or sell it in just a few days is reassuring.
>>18266100As soon as you get close to $20k, the movement better have some damn good finishing.For watches around $10k, the movement doesn't matter too much, which is why I'm considering an IWC Ingenieur even though its choice of movement is universally panned.>knowing I can trade it or sell it in just a few days is reassuringThat means you're overspending.Those Pateks look like ass though. Come to think of it, there isn't a single Patek design that appeals to me.
>>18266096Ah yes, cost cutting measures in luxury watches. Classy.
I'm wearing a 34mm watch right now
>>18266060>And the Tag Glassbox is as well.Yeah because you are looking at the price and imagine that TAG is a good brand because you're a retarded poor mongoloid.
>>18266117You're not going to find many legit column wheel chronos with decent finishing under $5-6k.And that's without mentioning design.
>>18266118Don't care tard. You're inventing random specs you "need" to justify buying a shit watch for a high price so you can brag to who exactly, no rich person will ever respect you.
>>18266119>You're inventing random specskek what.A column wheel is one of the absolute basics when it comes to high-end chronos.
>>18266125Hello fellow high-end chrono enjoyer.
>>18266126The Chinese are kind of known for making turds with high-end specs.
why do high end watches always have chronos and shit? i get that it shows off more complicated clockwork but all the added subdials just make the faces look ugly and way too busy
Everyone keeps insisting that I don't want a Grand Seiko, but what if GS is ackshually the sekret klub? What if the endless cumming over Rolex or IWC is just a fugazi, to trick people out of having a really based watch?
>>18266135Who knows, chronos are basically worse than a dive bezel
>>18266141You're overthinking it, just get a Rolex, that is is the secret elite club.
>>18266135The fuck are you talking about? There are millions of time only luxury watches and there are millions of shitter with "chronos and shit". Why do people in these threads always post the dumbest takes? Why am I the only mentally sane individual in here?
>>18266135You've no idea how many people out there think "complicated" means "good". It's like with art, you get people who don't like modern art but their reasoning is>My 5 year old could have painted that!While at the same time their explanation of why classical art is good, usually involves discussing the amount of time it took to paint, talking about the intricate detail, how many attempts the artist took to perfect it, etc.Shocking stuff really coming from people who will also reject the labour theory of value over value just being purely subjective.
>>18266107Show bobs ma'am.
>>18266147Oh okay, sure, I get it ;-)
>>18266141I can assure you that the "endless cumming over IWC" is just one guy.
>>18266141>>18266152Wait, there's endless cumming over IWC on here? Since when?
Stalking after the CASIO Hotbiz Databanks. Found some on ebay, but I’m ready stories of them being sold for 25-50bucks? I’d rather not get scammed, but dropping 150-200 for something like that would make me wanna suicide. Is the watch even worth it?
>>18266149Moron.
>>18266157Seethe and cope if you must, but at least do it in silence lmao
>>18266154Occasionally there's an IWC shill who shows up and spergs at Rolex (of course).You can invoke him with this sentence>IWC doesn't make in house movements
>>18266141GS is a fundamentally different brand than Rolex, it's much more of a subdued design language and has a more engineering forward, more refined, less ostentatious vibe. See this segment https://youtu.be/6x1ZUov_rYc?t=438and this onehttps://youtu.be/-dTYCASzKrk?t=454
>>18266159>>18266157
>>18266167Could you seethe and cope even quieter than that?
>>18266169Anon is just bitter, bittercel. You should be used to that by now.
>>18266169>>18266167
>>18266161>>18266154IWC has high-end Valfleurier in-house calibres.You'd know if you weren't terminally poor and if your cranium and its content weren't property of Rolex SA.Nowatches recommend Rolex because they don't have one.The wealthy and knowledgeable recommend IWC because they have one.
Afternoon kofe time.
>>18266188That's erie af. I was just thinking where's the kofe time
>In 1868, American engineer and watchmaker Florentine Ariosto Jones (1841–1916), who had been a director of E. Howard & Co.>In Boston founded the International Watch Company. He planned to assemble watches in Switzerland and import them into the United States. >At the time, wages in Switzerland were relatively low although there was a ready supply of skilled watchmaking labor, mainly carried out by people in their homes.JFC LMAO! So IWC is basically Invicta
>>18266192We are connected in more ways than we realize. The false veil of distance and separate consciousnesses are just manifestations of the universe trying to understand itself and its true form.
>>18266183kek
>>18266199>american workforce is to DESPITE to make watches>import from home workshopsHoooooooly basedIs there a more SOVL method than IWC's?
*make people seethe*
not a watch guy but daughter just got me this for my birthday today. don’t think I’ll ever take it off :)
>>18266305she wants the d
Im considering a neo vintage white gold Day-Date, anyone know of decent alternatives? So far Ive seen the Parmigiani Tonda, Breguet marine, maybe a GP Laureato as well
>>18266318The only alternative to a Rolex is another Rolex.
>>18266312Post your nose, rabbi
>>18266305Based Casio
>>18266335There is no rolex alternative to the day-date
>>18266032I don't particularly take to many of the GS textured dials, this one especially included.The IWC looks like a cope of certain other watch.I don't particularly fancy either.
>>18266312
>>18266362>I don't particularly take to many of the GS textured dials, this one especially included.The dial texture on the GS is absolutely phenomenal.The rest of the watch on the whole is good, but probably not as aesthetically cohesive as the IWC. Although that's probably nitpicking.>The IWC looks like a cope of certain other watch.It is, but also isn't.It's an actual Genta design that was originally released at the exact same time as the original Nautilus.
>>18266318Vacheron oversees, particularly the new gold with green dial is absolutely phenomenal
>integrated bracelet sports watch discussionWhat is this? 2022?
>>18266032Grand Seiko is its own thingIngeniuer looks like a APRO cope
>>18266375>It's an actual Genta design that was originally released at the exact same time as the original Nautilus.kek that's a typical case of "ackchyually". Remind me of these fags who keep saying the Fifty Fathoms was the first dive watch or the Reverso the first sports watch (both are false btw).
>>18266415Well the first step of the "ackshchually" chain is saying that "ackshchually the Royal Oak came first".Saying the Ingenieur was designed by the same guy is just the rebuttal.
>>18266415>ACKCHYUALLY the Ingenieur is an original Genta design released the same year as the Nautilus>ACKCHYUALLY the Fifty Fathoms was released a few months before the Submariner, making it the first dive watch>ACKCHYUALLY the Reverso is a sports watch, it was designed for polo players>ACKCHYUALLY the Cartier Santos is a pilot watch>ACKCHYUALLY Steve McQueen never wore a Rolex Explorer II 1655, he wore a Submariner 5513>ACKCHYUALLY the screws on the Royal Oak aren't really screws, they're just decorativeWhat are some other ACKCHYUALLYs?
>>18266429>ACKCHYUALLY the Royal Oak came first
>>18266429>AKSHULLY the swiss made the first quartz watch>AKSHULLY Breitling went to space before Omega>AKSHULLY Genta's first design was the White Shadow
>>18266432This doesn't work because everybody knows the Royal Oak. Only watchtards know the IWC Ingenieur.
>>18266435>This doesn't work because everybody knows the Royal OakWhat does that have to do with anything?
>>18266433>AKSHULLY the swiss made the first quartz watchThey didn't, they invented quartz movement, but the first production quartz watch was japanese>AKSHULLY Breitling went to space before OmegaThey don't claim to be first in space, that was soviets, they are first worn on the Moon.
>>18265926 #A few chinese brands have 36mm daydates. I'm actually waiting on one in the mail to try it out, the sugess with the new peacock movement in it. It actually is really shocking none of the swiss brands can make a day date smaller than 40mm, and it really is a shame because watches like the Hamilton jazzmaster daydate and the khaki king could be perfect watches if they could be 38mm or so.
>>18266441Post pictures when you get it, I'm having trouble finding the listing.
>>18266415They're not false though. They're literally true. The problem is nobody cares.
>>18266440Any ACKCHYUALLY is made considerably better by being incorrect :>the FF is the first div-No and neither is the Submariner, there had been waterproof and diving watches in the 30s before either of these, and no Rolex didn't make the first of these either>the screws on the Royal OakAre functionnal parts of the case, the case screws thread indo them, that's why the screw ends on the back are round and hexagonal on the bezel : they need to be stable and not rotate on that end>the White ShadowIIRC Genta already had a few designs under his belt at that point but none too distinct
>>18266435Literally the only type of person who would ever think that ackchyually your Ingenieur is just a royal oak ripoff is a watch nerd.In which case it's always morally right to serve them the old "ackchyually" about the Ingenieur being a Genta original.99.9999% of people who lay eyes on an Ingenieur will simply judge the aesthetics (and likely cost) of it from the looks alone.
>>18266451The Shitty Fathoms meme being the first dive watch has been deboonked by Perezcope.And nobody ever played polo with a Reverso on the wrist, especially not in the 1930s. Marketing bullshit.>>18266453>Are functionnal parts of the case, the case screws thread indo them, that's why the screw ends on the back are round and hexagonal on the bezel : they need to be stable and not rotate on that endYou are right, but the notch on the hexagonal piece is unnecessary.
>>18266445They're actually on amazon too. I know, the fake diamonds and mother of pearl dials come off a little gay, but I'm interested in seeing what the movement is like and they say it's only 11.5mm thick including the crystal and cyclops. And I just like daydates in general.
>>18266461Perezcope literally has cope in his name.Just because "nobody" did it doesn't mean that isn't what it's for. It's very clearly and explicitly for protecting the crystal when your working on something at the very least, there's no other reason for it to flip.
Will most jewelry stores add extra holes into leathers straps and micro adjusts into a metal bracelet? What’s a ballpark price for it?
>>18266467>add holes into a leather strapYes>microadjust a claspYes>drill microadjustment holes into a claspAbsolutely not
>>18266441anon that you replied to here, i will be patiently awaiting your check ingod knows it gives me something to look forward to in these threads apart from the incessant kofe time janny and the turkroachand yes 36-38mm watches have been a dead breed but will always be the best proportioned designsglad atleast smaller watches than the fuckhuge are coming back into trend
>>18266464You can't play polo with a Reverso because the movement inside isn't designed for sports. Even the current models. The balance spring wouldn't be able to survive a few swings. >there's no other reason for it to flipHaving it engraved with your initials.
>>18266461>And nobody ever played polo with a Reverso on the wristMaybe so, but the story about the polo players was known around the time of the watch's inception in the early 30s.It's not a story made up after the fact to romanticize the watch as "muh first sports watch", because such a thing simply didn't exist at the time. There was zero reason to make it up.
>>18266480>the movement inside isn't designed for sportsThey're not designed for shooting either, but wristwatches were in fact popularized partly because of the first world war.
>>18266480I don't think any watch movement is really designed to take that. But sometimes they do.How hard are you swinging in polo anyway?
>>18266481>>18266481My personal theory about the creation of the Reverso is Cesar de Trey was indeed approached by British officers to design a watch for polo players. He came up with the idea of a flipping mechanism, presented it to Lecoultre, but Lecoultre told him "yeah let's do it it looks cool and people will want to have the back engraved, but don't play polo with it nigger, it will break".They've made it and decided to keep the whole polo gimmick for marketing and story telling.It was released a few months after the 1929 stock market crash and a few years before WWII. The Reverso is and has always been a fashion accessory sold to rich eccentric Europeans in the 1930s.
>>18266505Who play polo, yes.
>>18266505What years are those ads from?Because both of them reference the fact that the flipping mechanism is there for protection.The one on the right even literally says that flipping the watch allows the steel back to bear any impacts.
>>18266482Even the shittiest version of the Explorer (39mm with small hands) mogs that piece of shit Moser. Amazing.
>>18266511People take off their Submariner when they go for a swim.
>>18266515Yeah the moser can't compare to this movement finish
>>18266522>sips Beaujolais Nouveauaahhhh now that's some haute horlogerie
>closed casebacks are... le badI'd rather have a closed caseback then saphire showing off your shitty machine finished movement
>>18266032>more aesthetic grey-on-greyI am fundamentally against silver on silver and will autistically remind everyone at any opportunity how they will regret their decision in due time.So I will ignore your request to>Disregard[ing] price and movementand only talk about what I've heard about them:Both movements are shit.One is "shit" because they're charging $12k for the same movement that's in a watch by the same brand that goes for $6.5k and which is also in a watch by the same group that goes for $2.5k and it's all based off a basic bitch ETA from the 70's. Also it's sold as their "manufactured caliber" to imply that it's "in-house" when it couldn't be further from the truth, but some tards will fall for it without parsing the nuance and not look too closely.The other is shit because they rushed a new calibre out to market and cannot ensure anything near the stated accuracy they're selling it as having and are telling people who want their shit serviced under warranty to get it to spec to eat shit.Thus both are bad, but at least the former is merely a ripoff whereas the latter has an innate flaw that the manufacturer refuses to acknowledge or adequately deal with.Choose your flavor of shit.
>>18266032get this one anon!
good afternoon anons
>>18266543COPE
>>18266482I'm trying to decide between a moser pioneer 40mm version (secondary market) and a rolex submariner date (at retail) what do you anons think?
need some gshock helpWhere do you go to get bezels and shit? I am a retard as I can't find anything googling. I want to take the DW5600EP-02 but put the red bezel of the DW5600EP-4 on it. And then I want to put a gold bumper on that. Where do you go to get these things, does anyone know?
>>18266546>I am fundamentally against silver on silverIt can be kino with enough interesting details.I think the dial textures on both watches are more than interesting enough to make up for the fact that they're silver on silver.This one on the other hand is an example of silver-on-silver being ass >>18266550>"manufactured caliber" to imply that it's "in-house" Manufactured in-house.You'd have to be a pretty big retard to think "manufactured" is the same as "designed and manufactured".>they rushed a new calibre out to market and cannot ensure anything near the stated accuracyYou hear stories like that about shit like Rolexes all the time too.
>>18266517Yeah, and that doesn't make it any less a diving watch. You're finally understanding the point.
>>18266557you should get a longine legend diver is what I think
>>18266558you must suck at internet searching. try pacparts
>>18266559>You hear stories like that about shit like Rolexes all the time too.That's not just a story but a scandal waiting to blow up.Avoid modern rolex, buy pre-ceramics 5-digits, non-cal.32xx>You'd have to be a pretty big retard to think "manufactured" is the same as "designed and manufactured".pretty much your average iwc enjoyer is a retard>hey check out my mew "Fleagurr" mark double-X!>it has an innaus movement you know, that's important they're like the only brand that still does it all themselvesparaphrasing an actual convo.
>>18266505Requirements for different categories of watches changes over time as technology evolves, having a watch that at the very least is designed to protect the crystal, is nevertheless more durable than one that isn't. That would make the Reverso closer to a sports watch than anything else JLC made at the time.Like take dive watches, what people consider to be a true dive watch varies, but I've heard people say stuff like the Vostok Amphibia isn't a "real" dive watch because it only has a friction bezel, despite that for decades the Rolex Submariner also didn't have a ratcheting bezel and nor did Seiko divers until the patent on such unidirectional bezels owned by Blancpain expired. So IMO the reverso was a sports watch, until newer watches came along that focused on durability but did it better, at that point it stopped being a sports watch.
>>18266569I do indeed, thank you for the site
>>18266522>>18266530Rolex doesn't claim to make high horology. They make luxury sports watches.You claiming your entry level 12mm thick machine finished H. Moser on a plastic strap is high horology is hilarious, actually. Pretty much like buying Givenchy diffusion line sneakers and claiming you own some haute couture piece.
seen on ebay. Is it modded, whats the original? I can see some other modded seikos with this bezel but never this dial. Either way i think it looks great. What's a reasonable price for this if its a little worn?
>>18266555greetings, trips anon
>>18266591>Rolex >luxuryWEW
>>18266517It's becaue of chlorine and old people piss.
>>18266589no problem. try tiktox as well. i believe both stores are uk based
is there a watch that has the cool fifty fathoms style bubble bezel but isn't stupid thick or 45mm lug to lug?
>>18266620The Fifth Fathoms in smaller sizes that Blancpain refuses to put in regular production because they hate selling watches and love seeing the 47mm version forever stuck in store windows.
>>18266555Howdy
>>18266579>pretty much your average iwc enjoyer is a retardSure, but that's not IWC's fault.I'm sure they actually produce that movement in-house like they say, I've seen a bunch of factory tours showing the components being milled and then the actual assembly happening at IWC.They built a whole new plant specifically to give tours at, it's not like they're hiding anything.Honestly I even like their CEO, dude seems all business, has lots of technical knowledge, a flair for fashion, and yet he's decidedly non-cringe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZFqa6UBhAk&t=441s&pp=ygURaXdjIHRpbWUgYW5kIHRpZGU%3DNo idea what possessed him with the Ingenieur price though.
>>18266591>the Pioneer is 12mm thickWTF, it's real.Why do brands do this? I get why modern watches get larger but there's no reason they get THICKER. 10mm thick should be the MAXIMUM for a time only watch ESPECIALLY from a luxury brand. 12MM IS UNACCEPTABLE!
>>18266651my gucci 5500 is 8mm thick, i'm not sure I can tolerate anything thicker anymore.
>>18266591while i like moser, i agree with everything you've said anonloving the turkroach shade also
>>18266601>>18266630nice
Alright guys, to make a long discussion short, I'm just going to ask; what is the best watch?
>>18266685PP GC obviously, are you new?
>>18266685Oyster perpetual.
>>18266685whichever one best suits your needs
>>18266543Not only that but brushed steel case backs feel more comfortable to wear. Sapphire gives case backs a tacky feeling on your skin that can feel uncomfortable. I actually started putting mole skin on my exhibition case back watches to make them feel less sticky.
>>18266689Why are the indices so oversized?
>>18266696They are not.
>>18266685apple watch
>>18266699Pic is what OP indices used to look like.They fucking trippled in girth.Checked though.
>>18266705So now it has nice and eligible indices with lots of lume instead of matches on a dial.
>>18266696richemont models could be here, he thought. with an oyster perpetual you can GADA.
>>18266705class>>18266689gauche
>>18266685
>>18266712Those matches are a lot nicer and more elegant than the coffins on the current OP.>>18266716>you can GADA.You can what now?
>>18266685>what is the best watch?Rolex Datejust 1601.Unmoggable.
>>18266688based digits make this the correct answer
>>18266724Is that tsuyosa homage?
>>18266492Fuck that, you could use a gshock as the ball in a polo match and it would be OK.
>>18266721consult the glossary>beater>workhorse movement>GADA>EDC>dress diver>strap monster>spec monster>perlage>fumé>dégradé>guilloché>perlage>Côtes de Genève>Zaratsu>mother of pearl>malachite>meteorite>aventurine>sandblasted>bioceramic>patina>vintage>minimalist>Genta inspired>superlative chronometer>COSC>METAS>engraved rehaut>homage>rep>"colorways">"plays with the light">"wrist check">"watch collecting journey"
>>18266685Citizen The Citizen Chronomaster AQ4080-52A is widely regarded as the best watch ever made, its features include:>438 times better than COSC performance>Perpetual calendar>Deadbeat seconds>7 months power reserveYou literally do not need more.
>>18266827Its electric tho
>>18266827>>Perpetual calendarCan you post a picture of the day and month windows?
>>18266825we already did this one, a few threads ago
>>18266721>You can what now?GoonAnywhereDickAnything
>>18266856Finally, real freedom.
>>18266834Can you kys?
>>18266827>widely regardedI've never seen a single person outside of this general even acknowledge that this watch exists.
>>18266107based mid-20th-century time traveler
>>18266825i still cant believe this piece of shit is real
>>18266775Some of these are literally just words or materials. It's not marketing speak or jargony or buzzwordy to name a material a watch is made of.
>>18266107Im wearing a 35mm one right now and bought a 34.5mm for myself and its on the way
>>18266032>intrigued about the ingenieur>check price>13k yuroslmao
>>18266825Awful. (Admittedly, if it was an H. Moser I'd say it was funny.)
>>18266685the best watch is always the one you want next
Alright guys, to make a long discussion short, I'm just going to ask; what is the best watch to get giant fat milk sack tits with
>>18266889Do you think this will hurt Christopher Ward's image as a brand going forward?Seconde/seconde has done some cool watch collaborations in the past but this one is just embarassing. They should have pushed back on it and done something else. It's one thing to make a cheap meme watch for fun and lulz but when you're cracking over $1000 I think people should expect something more refined and less reddit than this.
>>18266289it really does
>>18266898It's disgusting how overpriced and overrated that watch is.
>>18266630I know its cool to hate on Seiko ITT, but damn that looks amazing.
>>18266911Is that not true of IWC generally?
>>18266906the james bond omega seamaster diver from the 90s
>>18266825I like it
>>18266630>>18266912I don't like the thickness and the dome shape in that photo. Maybe I wouldn't think that if I saw it in person, though.
>>18266825>>18266889I saved pic related from somewhere in 2009. It would've been the sort of thing you'd wear to college in that insecure, semi-ironic fashion but it's a cheapo throwaway swatchlike that would eventually decay and crumble away and probably cost only $20.This $1500++ or whatever CHRWARD has only been bought by ultra sois for the express purpose showing it off on leddit in an apoplectic fit of post-toxic-ironic shock. I wanted to know how much these things cost but CHRWARD lists it as SOLD OUT.
>>18266925
>>18266825>the joke gets old within 24 hoursthis is why you don't buy novelty watches. if you need to be mr. irony, buy a dumb tshirt for $30. at least you can use it as a cleaning rag.
>>18266915The ingineur is somehow even more so. It's like 3x the cost of every other 3 hand and date watch they make.
shitters
>>18266965
>>18266685objectively? probably Rolex Submariner or Explorer 1
>>18266685>Alright guys, to make a long discussion short, I'm just going to ask; what is the best watch?Tank Louis Cartier in yellow gold with a hand-winding movement.
>>18266645Tbf that description fits anyone that takes what the jewelry store wagie says at face value, and that's almost everyone that's a "luxury watch consumer", everyone I know besides a few collectors.>showing the components being milled and then the actual assembly happeningCommendable if true. More than what you see with other tours. Skimmed Baldsorry's Oris tour the other day and you couldn't see a single component actually being fabricated, only finished, adjusted and assembled. Is there a recent Omega tour that actually shows an Omega factory?>No idea what possessed him with the Ingenieur price though.It probably wasn't up to him. It's Richemont, and their though process is transparent: they thought the integ royalnautalike gravy train wouldn't end or at least slow down before they got the ingen to market. Maybe 1-1.5yrs earlier with release they'd have gotten away with it. Instead they were late to the party when all the booze had run out and everyone was starting to sober and now you have an overpriced piece, that only enthusiasts who know it's an overpriced piece would actually want to buy, and they still had the gall to try the allocation game with the bluegreen that ap/patek/rolex can get away with.Lukewarm reception, even amongst the paid shills and rumors that production, which was likely poised to deliver for stellar demand that didn't actually materialize, has stalled means they have one hell of a dud on their hands.And that's not even getting into the aesthetic concerns with changing >muh genta designThe greatest joke of all, for me personally, is that despite all of this I find myself actually liking this stupid fucking thing AND it fits nicely on my wrist. But knowing what I know I just cannot. I'd rather pay a bit more for a gp copper laureato 38 or just wait longer and shoot higher for the overseethe but by the time I could comfortably do that I'd probably be the only idiot still falling for muh integ steel sports watch maymay.
>>18266825why are millennials like this
>>18267068What appendage is this supposed to be?
>>18266827mediocre, the dial material lets you really see the supports for the indices. Maybe that's on purpose but they'd look 10x better if they were flush with the dial. also>no perpetual calendar
>>18267080Oh it's a perpetual calendar alright.
>mogs your speedy
>>18267129Why would you buy a tudor without gold hands?
>>18266591>>18266666Cope
>>18266871Does any other opinion on watches outside of /wt/ REALLY matter? Think about it.
>>18267147I wish tudor made golden hands
I recently found out that Louis Vuitton makes watches. Who makes them for them and how overpriced are they from a scale of 0 to rolex?
>>18267217What are you talking about? I think most of them have gold hands. They literally make gilt versions of their watches.
casio?
Kofe time.
>>18266148mentally sane? you are unironically mentally retardedwhat anon was getting at was that the higher you go in price the more taken over it is by complications - which is true - as the way into the "real" watchmakers' club is through achievement of each of the 6 pillars of high horology: an ultra-thin, a moon-phase, a perpetual calendar, a rattrapante, a tourbillon, and a minute repeater
>>18267220They're trying to follow the Cartier model>make very basic quartz watches>use some of the other workshops in your group to build a handful of limited high-end pieces every year>everyone is impressed>the astronomically inflated prices you charge for your basic quartz watches now feels more justified to the watch nerd who is looking for a watch to buy for his wifeIt works so well for Richemont that it keeps IWC and Piaget on life-support despite all their expensive duds, LVMH will try doing the same.
*mogs rolex*
>>18267321I see. 20K for their entry model seemed bizarre to me. But it's definitely a watch and not something like a gucci or Armani. Thanks for the detailed response.
Is 12mm too thick?
>>18267360Also, is this too much bezel?Or is the bloatedness not so noticeable in person?
>>18267360>>18267363Get an Ingenieur instead if you want a respectable full steel toolxury watch, don't be a basic bitch.
>>18267367I was actually looking at a dress watch with a champagne dial, but I realized I'm just too young and burly to pull that off.Plus, the Oyster Perpetual 41 has a 21mm wide steel bracelet, so it kind of gives the integrated aesthetic without losing versatility.And let's not forget, the Oyster Perpetual is literally half the price of an Ingenieur. HALF
>>18266107Based.
Sometimes I'm under the impression anons itt don't even bother try a watch before buying it online. Y-you don't actually do that, right? Right?
>>18267372If the watch is less than 15k€ what's the point of trying it on before?
>>18267368>let's not forget, the Oyster Perpetual is literally half the price of an Ingenieur. HALFOh so you're just poor, got it.
Need some input. The seller is offering a price of 95€ for >>18266594, do yall think that's a fair deal?
Which is the better semi-sporty champagne dial watch.The IWC is only 1mm wider and thicker.
>>18267382If you're getting a 3 hands Rolex (DJ, OP, Explorer) get it in 36mm. It's the historical size. 40/41mm is the (((modern))) soimillenial that will age poorly.
>>18267384Three-hand Rolexes tend to be pretty thick already, and the smaller sizes only make the thickness more apparent.
>>18267382Depends.Do you want a CNC product designed by computer with parts you can safely assume are from China until open factory tours are available?Get the Rolex.Otherwise, IWC and it's not even close.
>>18267386Damn, it's that bad huh?
>>18267388It might not, but they won't give any guarantee other than "trust me bro" and expect you to be "the good ones" and don't exploit the Swiss Made loopholes.Well I don't trust them. I'll believe them when they show some transparency.
What's happening with the IWC shilling lately? Did a Youtuber release a video or something?
>>18267393For me personally, that champagne portugieser chrono just tickles me.
>>18266064I can't find these vids. I only see vids of them doing small touches/finishing and some QC. Not much else.
>>18266921Well, the lens always makes it look bigger than they actually are. It is fairly thick, but not as overly domed as the photo presents it.
>>18267393It's just one retard who just spent 14k on a glorified Baume & Mercier (also called "IWC") and realized too late he could have bought 2 Rolexes with that money. So now the whole thread has to endure his coping and seething. >Verification not required.
>>18267397Here's the first result I found, you can clearly see the in-house milling machines producing movement components, watch cases, etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQBDL4csIw>>18267401>realized too late he could have bought 2 Rolexes with that moneyI'm the guy who's crazy about the champagne portugieser, and I'm also the guy who would rather buy the Oyster Perpetual than the Ingenieur because the OP is half the price.
>>18267401Here's a weird concept for you: some people don't want a rolex.I know it's crazy but these people actually exist.Now don't worry, a few more weeks until black friday! Then you can get that 400$ watch you want.
>>18267407>Now don't worry, a few more weeks until black friday! Then you can get that 400$ watch you want.Thanks for the tip but I'm not into Grand Baume & Mercier. Is this how you got yours?
>>18267404That's pretty cool. They even got the raw materials.
>>18267411>Grand Baume & Mercierkek
>>18267236brass, those are not gold anon
>>18267299That's a Casio, yes.
>RolexGrand Tudor>Vacheron ConstantinGrand Jaeger-LeCoultre>IWCGrand Baume & Mercier>OmegaGrand Longines
>>18267418>all of the aboveGrand Seiko
>>18267393It's /wt/'s typical cycle>thread is full of mouth-breathing simpletons who think Rolex is the answer to everything because someone told them so>one poster does any amount of research into a different brand and sees it is an objectively superior product>starts talking about it on /wt/>gets mocked and shunned at first>/wt/ eventually turns around and starts praising the brand, rightfuly so>saturation of positive posts brings about the bitters, poors and contrarian who go hard in the opposite direction and start shitting on a superior brandGrand Seiko is on stage 3, IWC is on stage 1.
>>18267427Not the guy you're replying to, but it's so weird. IWC was a brand I couldn't stand for years, but the very instant I see an IWC I start lusting after, suddenly /wt/ is full of talk about IWC.
>>18267386>>18267388Rolex allowed factory tours before anyone else years ago. It was confirmed by a bunch of old boomer watch autists from a forum who were allowed in on that willy wonkaesque open day that all parts are machine made by them there. All parts accounted for which is more than you can say for the rest of "swiss" made watchery. If you believe that they've suddenly outsourced to china in the past 15 years or whenever despite all the investment in their infrastructure then you're free to do so.However rolex's "swissness" has never been in question unlike with other brands like Omega and lesser shitters. Despite the desperate and frenzied seething searches by omegafags sick of getting shat on for the chinkery situation not one ounce of proof has emerged concerning rolex. Either they're more adept than every single other firm in the industry or it doesn't exist.
>>18267427You got one thing right, this thread is full of simpletons, who btw own no Rolexes. The reason so few Rolex watches are posted here is because as soon as a man gets a Rolex it is the mountain top, the Everest. You cannot go any higher without flying.The simpletons here like to pretend there is some discussion to be made on what watch adorns your wrist when it is a simple measure. A watch is an accessory. Your watch needs to be recognizable, well made, keep time, and be expensive (this is optional irl). Rolex simply fills all those criteria. Sure there are more "prestigious" brands, but Rolex is the most well known by all. Sure quartz keeps better time, but that's cheap. It quite literally is all you need. A Rolex owner doesn't waste their time arguing with anonymous idiots online on what watch is the "best", they simply enjoy their life and their watch the way they are meant to be enjoyed. This is something the average /wt/ idiot will never understand. Instead of accepting truth and fact he just keeps climbing his Sisyphean mountain, never reaching his personal top.
>>18267439>If you believe that they've suddenly outsourced to china in the past 15 yearsIt's a reasonable thing to assume.
>>18267439>If you believe that they've suddenly outsourced to china in the past 15 yearsThat would be entirely consistent with the general trajectory of the industry, yes.And it would perfectly coincide with them stopping any transparency effort.
>>18267440Spoken like a true simpleton who saw a Rolex and stopped there when it should be one's starting point.I pity you, you have no idea what you are missing out on.
>>18267440> Mass appeal can only mean one thing : being the lowest common denominator.> Rolex is, this fact is undeniable, the best known maison today. It is the watch every uneducated consumer aspires to. Understanding this is what begins to separate one from the plebe.> Rolex, to put it in a way one of its owners would understand, is thinking Olive Garden is fine dining. After all, it is more expensive than Burger King and you may even need to place a reservation beforehand. It is exclusivity in the hands of millions, an elusive presence you will find everywhere. It is everything but exceptionnal, special, it is the status symbol of those who need it. And a man with status does not need a symbol for he has his status and that alone speaks for itself. > This simple, logical truth will anger the simple mind. "Cope!" he will scream, believing you are jealous of him who owns one of the most common and mundane pieces one could imagine. He is to be dismissed. "You are bitter!" he will cry, unable to even imagine he may not have been correct in his decision to adhere to the glib norm of the unaware. He is to be dismissed.> Would you give the time of day to a supposed cinéphile who believes himself legitimate after watching a C. Nolan film and "getting it"? To the man who thinks himself a connaisseur of the letters and routinely uses the term " kafkaesque" because he has once read The Metamorphosis (only after skipping the foreword, naturally) ?> These are lower still than the ignorant masses simply for believing themselves higher. They are to be ignored.> Rolex is Ronald McDonald in a three piece suit. He tells you that you are lucky : the McRib is available today. The common man believes he is getting an exceptionnal treat. The discerning man may enjoy the sandwich for what it is but will not be fooled into thinking it fine dining.
>>18267456>connaisseurlol retard
>>18267427What does stage 3 stand for?
>go on boomerforum for highend watch>want to read about all the fantastic dressy pieces and grand comps etc>endless parade of royal copes in every subforum>old, wrinkly liverspotted wrist shots with expensive "sports themed watches"why do boomers do it? I don't remember the forums being quite like this a decade ago. What's gotten all the boomer in a midlife copesis? Monkeysemen monkeydo? Instagram with hot, young models wearing sports craps gotten all the old men scrambling?Do they feel younger wearing this shit? Because they look ridiculous and would look better wearing stuff that's more befitting their advanced age.Zero discussion about anything except the overseethe, nautilus, royaljoke and all the other knockoffs by the way. Only Lange seems to be spared since the ode de joyce is forgotten.
>>18267459>"sports themed watches"Name 20
>>18267462Jackie chan
>>18267129Bit of a cope brand
>>18267377Only a retard would buy an ingy lmao overpriced shitty trend hopper watch
>>18267436Watch talk is naturally moving from hypevestment talk to discussion of higher quality watches now that "the market is collapsing"
Find three worse arms/wrists in a four square block. Protip: you can't.
New reedition of the CK 2998 with a blue/grey dial. 39,7mm case.Looks cool.
>>18267508Looks really cool actually.
>>18267511Did you know the Speedmaster went to the Moon? I didn't!
>>18266825this cringeable piece of shit should kill the ''''brand''''''' but it wont'.
>>18267513but that's not the moon watch...
Sidecar Time
>>18267372If you know what sizes look good on your wrist and you watch reviews to see how it actually looks outside of pics it's pretty easy to buy a watch you'll like without trying it on
>>18267526Cheers!
>>18267526fag fag faggota man would've gotten a beer and a ROLEX
>>18267532I got too much money for a Rolex, and I already had 3 beers.
>>18267533delusional cope
>>18267535You will understand once you get up to my level, if ever. Until then, keep thinking of rolex as an unreachable grail status.
>>18267536Don't tell them you upper faggot we weed them out like that
rolex = based
In GB every call center team leader and apprentice bricklayer has a 10k Woleeeex or a fake, so why the fuck would I buy one?
60-70% of americans don't even have 1000 dollars in savingswhat do you all do that you can drop money on luxury watches
>>18267551because if poorfag niglets from gabon can afford one so can you
>>18267553Simple, I'm not an American.
>>18267555>this sure marker of classless trash is only 10k grovel to some greasy ex phone-salesman cunt and get on the wating list now!I'd pay 10k p.a. not to wear one.
>>18267555Nta, but I don’t want to resemble those people. Rolexes are good quality watches, but they are also aimed at the lowest common denominator and are practically everywhere
I like the Explorer, not Rolex. I don't understand people who are obsessed with love or hate for a brand
>>18267566These threads are basically Playstation vs Nintendo for millenials with 10k in savings. Sad, if you ask me.
>>18267568kek
>>18267568holy shitanon summed it up! lmfao
>>18267566Fair enough, and the Explorer is the only one I'd buy IF the whole brand hadn't been killed by Deano's and Turkish barbers.
>>18267508looking goodthe case dimensions are so much better than the regular speedy
>>18267582Something is really bothering me though. Look at that space between the case and the end of the strap.
>>18267508What do users time with them? Average seconds to ejaculation? ha ha.
>>18267584The Nomos curse
>>18267584Man, can't Omega do anything right?
>>18267584get a thicker strapproblem solved
I like Grand Seikos for the same reason I like Bregeuts and the many different Royal Oak clones - Textured dials are nice.
>>18267508Speedmaster looks better with straight lugs.
>>18267553Literally just put money into the market and never touch it, or buy BTC during bear markets and sell during bull markets. The only reason you are too poor to have 1k available at any time is because you are a retard with zero self control or vision.
>>18267630What money retard.
>>18267631The one you're losing every month on Netflix, UberEats goyslop, weed and other useless shit.
>>18267525trueno coaxial has ever went to space
>>18267645>rich retard doesn't understand anythingMany such cases nepotard.
Mojito Time
DO NOT GIVE (YOU)S TO TUDOR GOLD HAND DENIERS.You have been warned.
I swear if Tudor decided to make watches with golden hands, they would've made so much money. I just don't understand them.
What does /wt/ think about my watch?>pic related isn't me but looks similar on my wrist I like it a lot but the rubber strap is annoying but growing on me. I tried perlon but it's so fucking thin and shitty feeling. Might do nato next
>>18267686Reminds me of Dabura
>>18267686Love the devil divers, would buy one.
>>18267372Every watch I have ever owned was bought online without trying on first
>>18267699Have you made mistakes doing that?
>>18267584I wouldn’t wear a steel sports watch on a leather bracelet in the first place
>>18267691dangerously based >>18267696This is probably a brokie cope but I really like Bulova's brand>American >Started in NYC I was able to get that one from their 5th ave store - I know their a mall brand to a degree but I like their logo a lot too
>>18267704That's not the point.The lug to lug distance could be 2 or 3mm shorter if the lug holes were drilled closer to the case.
>>18267666Friendly reminder to stop posting once properly intoxicated.
kek scrolling through UK Chrono is horrifying
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>>18267584Yeah... Those lugs are very close to Homos tier retardation
>>18267649You would be able to build a 1k savings in at least a year even on a paltry salary. Being broke is expensive though so im sure you jave a lot of things you dont need but will never get up
>>18266989Only the no date sub, and the older style numerals on the explorer.
>>18267077my parnis, of course
is there really no non shit bracelet for casio 158 / 168 ?
>>18268263You can use third-party 18mm straps and bracelets, but do you mean they're all bad?
>>18268277I don't think a normal bracelet fits those toys.
