cotton is king
>>18300273You're welcome.
>>18300273/out/ disagrees.COTTON KILLS
I can't wear most things that have any polyester in them anymore. A nylon coat is fine, but I cannot wear any pants with elastane, any hoodies with polyester etc. I wonder how I can get through life in that way. I mean will I purchase all cotton clothing for my kids?
>>18300320You will purchase non polyester underwear for you kids if you want your bloodline to continue on after your death
I prefer not to wear plastic, but my ass gets sweaty and cotton underwear just leaves me with a wet butt after like 2 hours of sitting.
What's up with NPCs and the schizophrenig neverending skreeching about polyester and plastic? Do these golems realize polyester has been in clothing since the 60s? How come those people (who wore polyester since the 60s) had a better quality of life, higher life expectancy, more children, more wealth and looked younger than current age zoomers who literally scream at sight of polyester and do 'skincare' every day?What's up with this golem trend of plastic hating? Literally every single normie, every single influencer is against le evil plastic based on like one study from the university of bangladesh or some shit? Is it just golems following the herd? Is it akin to any other hysterical normie trend?
>>18300320consume plastics goy
>>18300309Yeah the answer to that is linen and wool. Not blended together though because that is shatnez and illegal. I just figured this out because all the /out/ gear is literal radioactive waste
>>18300369There's more gay people now, babies are not being born as much.
>>18300373It is not illegal, it was a suggestion from God because you "people" didn't know the proper way to dress.
Cotton has earned my loyalty for the role it played in the American slave trade
>>18300369You are the only schizo on this board simping for plastic in every thread the moment cotton is mentioned. Touch cotton and seek professional help.
>>18300373Yeah wool is where it's at, you could also use synthetics but they get smelly and don't keep you as warm as animal fibers
cottoncore is where its atget pickin niggers
>>18300373The problem with linen/wool blends is that it soils more like linen but has to washed carefully like wool.For out, you use linen in hot weather, wool as outer layer, merino as inner layer when cold. If it's sufficiently cold, you can make a 100% wool outfit and be fine with it.
>>18300378It’s because blending wool, a product from a clean animal that is fit for ritual/sacrificial use, with flax which is just a plant product debases the sanctity of the animal.
>>18300291India superpower 2030 saar
>>18300373Linen is gay. Shitty coarse caveman fabric. Cotton on the other hand is for the civilized. It can be as fine and delicate and as rough and rugged as you want it to be.
>>18300494Linen is a mans fabric. Cotton is for women, nu-males and faggots.
>>18300494cotton canvas and denim is way rougher than linen. Have you considered just not being gay?
>>18300443lol wearing a linen wool blend shirt as I read this
>>18300320avoiding synth fibers is not really that hard if you're just willing to accept buying more expensive but longer lasting clothes
>>18300369>Gossiping>Shaming>Rallyingit's not going to work Moshe
>>18300371>"natural" & "organic" is better than "synthetic" & "processed">why? it just is, okay?!
>>18300369I can't tell if you're being coy or oblivious, but in case anyone who reads this is actually genuine about this needs some help, I'll respond.The overwhelming majority of microplastics which are being found everywhere are due to synthetic textiles. Contrary to your assertions that "NPCs" and "normies" are the ones concerned about microplastics, they appear to be almost completely indifferent and don't see it as a problem. Plastics and microplastics, however, have been linked to damaging effects ranging from cancer to infertility. Plastic and synthetic underwear has been almost conclusively proven to lower male fertility and sperm production. It's not hysterical Chicken Little people balking at plastic clothing, it is informed people who realize the irreparable damage the industry is creating.
>>18300564>synthetic underwear has been almost conclusively proven to lower male fertility and sperm productionWhere? I thought that was to do with loose vs tight fit, not material.
>>18300577https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/001078249290157Ohttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8279095/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1456835/https://europepmc.org/article/MED/8262106https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18393023/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18225689/
>>18300577
>>18300587So, supposedly, the polyester creates an electrostatic field which kills sperm cells, which goes back to normal after you stop wearing polyester. Good thing I'm not planning to have kids any time soon, and by the time I do I should be making enough money to graduate to wool (I'm not going back to cotton or viscose).
Cotton absorbs too much moisture, which then grows bacteria and stinks like fermented balls
>>18300617you're supposed to change your underwear every day tyrone
>>18300617Dry it after you take it off?
>>18300371>natural>bamboolmao>>18300443>clean animalsheep are dirty af and the hardest part about processing wool is actually cleaning itt. sheep owner>>18300494>Linen is gayare you a nigger?
>>18300634I bought linen beach pants from banana republic and they are kino as fuck, extremely comfy and breathable.
>>18300465Always was, as demonstrated by that picture related.
>>18300625i do, doesn't mean i want to keep my balls/feet in moisture all day.>>18300627drying won't get rid of the smell once it's there. besides, why do i care about what happens to it after i take it off?
>>18300653>why do i care about what happens to it after i take it off?Its called basic maintenance so your clothes last longer.Drying(hanging them up) as soon as you take them off does help, do you just throw them in a pile and let the moisture of sweat stay trapped and breedable until you wash them?
>>18300653as opposed to what? Moisture being completely insulated in like a plastic bag?
>>18300670my guy... you are telling me to maintain clothes after the fact. i am saying i'd rather not let it get to the point where i'm stinking of fermented sweat while i'm out and about in the first place, which is what happens when i get active in cotton clothes.>>18300672the way i see it, non-breathable & non-absorbent (synthetic) is better than breathable & absorbent (cotton/viscose)
>>18300698Its called washing your clothes, what the fuck is wrong with you? I only wear 100% cotton to the gym and they never smell after wash dayForget the roof, Mohammed.Get Brian Shaw to break this smelly buck
>>18300699retard. zero reading comprehension.
>>18300698>>18300699And yes, they don't smell after the gym until days later, yet I don't let them get to that point because wash them.>>18300699Have fun, Shaw
>>18300670>>18300699Do you live in a dry desert environment with minimal humidity?
>>18300706Perhaps, why should this matter?
>>18300707I will forgive your harsh words, for you did not possess the knowledge of humidity.https://www.wood-blocks.com/blog/the-impact-of-humidity-on-clothing-and-how-to-manage-it
>>18300714>The more humid the environment, the more likely your clothes will smell musty and unclean, even after washing.>>18300653>>18300698>>18300703>>18300706>>18300714I retract my words, I give thanks for this knowledge.
>>18300698>the way i see it, non-breathable & non-absorbent (synthetic) is better than breathable & absorbent (cotton/viscose)then you are retarded
>>18300722tell that to my jock itch, which i haven't had since i stopped wearing cotton/viscose underwear.
>>18300737>cotton/viscoseYou wore a blended fabric and you complain that 100% cotton is bad, you sicken me.
>>18300737works on my balls
>>18300552The commandment is only for jews so you are fine.
>>18300742no, dumb faggot. i meant that either one of those fabrics gives me swamp balls, leading to fungal rash (or swamp foot leading to insane stench). also, i never said 100% cotton is bad. any % of cotton is bad.
>>18300761You're allergic to cotton
>>18300769That can happen?
>>18300770Yeah, so can thishttps://dermnetnz.org/topics/textile-contact-dermatitis
>>18300291I'm not reading that
>>18300769nah, but i know someone who is.
>>18300770Aye, and some like myself are allergic to polyester
>>18300792>Plastic allergyIs that real?
cotton feels nice any where you put itso much styleso much comfort
>>18300273I saw a video about cotton picking. This shit is really easy to pick. What were nogs complaining about
>>18300494Cotton retains too much moisture and takes forever to dry out, which is why you should avoid it in cold weather activities
>>18300962Except if you're exercising in the cold, it will keep you from overheating if you have a functioning thyroid
>any post using "synthetics" and making generalized statementsRETARD high school drop out tier unless you're talking about things that actually apply to all synthetics like the environmental concerns. dumb ass pot head who didn't take chemistry in high school level retardation.there's more than 1 kind of synthetic fiber all with completely different material properties. >>18300770ye wool too. a lot of people are allergic to lanolin in wool or have too sensitive of skin to wear all but the most expensive lowest micron wools w/o getting a rash. >>18300617>blanket statementsa pretty good chunk of the human population (most asians, 2% of whites) don't produce any body odor. abcc11 gene.>Cotton absorbs too much moisturethere's different kinds of moisture water and oil and they don't work the same. your sweat is oil. polyester is hydrophobic but attracts oil. >>18300699the guy in your pic is wearing polyester tho.
>>18300635linen being good in hot weather is a misnomer that spreads around by less educated consumers who are used to only the textiles available at their mass market fast fashion stores. high grade cotton and wool can be woven lighter and airier than linen and they'll be infinitely softer and won't wrinkle. people just think linen is good for that because they buy from stores that only use the lowest grade input material and cut corners in things like yarn arrangements. you simply don't know there's a ton of cotton weaves that are even better. linen's not bad but its high maintenance and not the best suited for casual clothes. fares MUCH better in a blend with cotton than on its own. >>18300564i always see 12% cited for the garment industry contribution to microplastic waste. i actually find your infographic to be more believable.>>18300587interesting, i haven't seen most of these.>>18300553synthetic fibers are a H U G E quality of life improvement for people who live in incliment weather, work outdoors, etc.they're a matter of life and death for outdoorsmen hunters divers etc.
>>18301028Aye, but do you expect him to wear his good clothes during the breaking ritual? They won't be on for very long
>>18300440>For out, you use linen in hot weather, wool as outer layer, merino as inner layer when cold. If it's sufficiently cold, you can make a 100% wool outfit and be fine with it.1. you simply can't get wool milled as densely and weatherproof as it used to be in old timey days2. you're underrating garbidine and waxed cotton canvas if you're trying to stay all natural and /out/3. wool simply isn't a good enough rain proofing layer to keep you alive where i live and the things i do. to be fair i live in one of the highest rainfall parts of the world and i'm always in the mountains at high elevation.>>18300396i will shill for synthetics too. they are irresponsibly over-used right now but in a perfect world they have their place. it should really only be used for stuff like gym clothes and sports team uniforms and military uniforms and the like. gore tex type jackets should require some sort of proof you're an outdoorsman or have a legitimate need for it to purchase it. it should be illegal to put polyester in clothes just to sell them cheaper. >>18300373>/out/ gear is literal radioactive wasteuhmwpe is chemically inert as fuck not all of it is. when woven uhmwpe gets cheaper and more available it fixes a lot of that problem.membrane jackets suck dick anyways. literally will wet out and get you killed where i live. literally doesn't work as advertised and "breathe" either in 3/4 of states because it only works in specific temp and humidity ranges. its also retarded to begin with because it only breathes when its dry aka when the jacket should be in your backpack not worn. silpoly jackets are the best compromise between not dying of exposure and not poisoning yourself. the polyester shell isn't the most environmentally conscious but its about the same amount of material as buying a polyester t shirt. but its not going to make you gay or anything the polyester is encapsulated in silicone which is inert as fuck.
>>18301034i like to dress up for the rodeo if you catch my drif
>>18300587quickly reading the abstracts yeah anon's >>18300613 qrd seems accurate.polyester underwear appears to be proven to lower your sperm count because of all the static electricity it creates around your balls. its probably safe to say polyester pants would do the same case since most of the points of friction and static buildup are going to be right next to your cock and berries. warrants further research but i don't think its a huge stretch to suggest. however it does NOT say skin contact with polyester leeches in your skin or anything like that. as far as i know last time i looked into it there is NO proven link or literature out there suggesting that except people on tiktok. However it is currently being studied, completely subject to change, and i would not be surprised one bit if it eventually does.
>>18300320I but natural clothing for my kids.
>>18301030>synthetic fibers are a H U G E quality of life improvement for people who live in incliment weathermost people most people most of the time are not in extreme cold weather. I'm willing to bet you don't need it most of the time
>>18301078It's called a wool coat, my boy.Everyone has one
>>18301079>Everyone has oneone wool?
>>18301080Yes, did... Did you lose yours?Shit, sorry about that, lad. We'll hit the local morgue see if the undertaker kept a spare
>>18301041>you simply can't get wool milled as densely and weatherproof as it used to be in old timey daysWe've got the old "Strichloden" water repellent brushed fabric over in germany. It doesn't generally have the same lanolin content (probably because of the smell) but you can treat it yourself. The best windproof fabric would be wool gabardine, which is not common here but is still found in britain IIRC.>you're underrating garbidine and waxed cotton canvas Cotton gabardine is a windproofing fabric, not a waterproofing one. Waxed cotton is waterproof but not breathable. Best as a pure rain cloak, probably better than wool in that regard I admit.>wool simply isn't a good enough rain proofing layer to keep you alive where i liveYou don't sound like you've tried it with strichloden cloaks like the alpine mountaineers of old. Not that that's a good idea, synthetic fabrics are simply better.
The impact of cotton industry on the environment and biodiversity is terrible compared to linen/wool. The plants require a shit ton of water and chemical fertilizer and are typically blasted with insecticides and herbicides. Of all plant fiber, cotton is the least water efficient and least adapted to nature-based production methods due to the dependency of the plants on chemicals. By comparison, linen is fairly easy to produce organically and without a lot of irrigation, at least in Europe where it is native and well adapted to. So from that perspective, cotton is not really king.
>>18301097>cotton is not really kingatleast from conventional/industrial production methods
>>18301102It's really soft tho :)
>>18301135Like bags of sand
>>18301097you can't expect me to take serious a graph that puts polyester as ecologically better than cotton and wool
>>18301097>plastic has no toxicityfake
>>18301092you can just look at that then look at historic photos of mountain climbers and shit its nowhere near the thickness and density.also the problem with wool as rain gear is its a big time insulator too. fine below freezing but 0 to about 7*c is when its easiest to go hypothermic when its wet but above freezing but below hypothermia threshold. that happens to be what the weather is where i live most of the time, and the yearly rainfall is as high as it gets in america other than kauai. >Cotton gabardine is a windproofing fabricits water RESISTANT which in all honesty is good enough as a replacement for stuff like becky wearing her north face to walk across the costco parking lot aka most of PFAS waste.>Waxed cotton is waterproof but not breathable.no waterproof fabric is breathable once its wet, not even gore tex. fuck this retarded notion of breathable rain gear even with modern materials it gets people killed or hiking sub optimally where i live. waxed canvas < silpoly + mechanical venting and wool is the most environmentally friendly way. wool in a lot of regions can get the job done. not where i live though. i have a vintage filson mackinaw jacket and shit. i'm not talking out my ass i spend a lot of time outdoors in shit weather. >You don't sound like you've tried it with strichloden cloaks like the alpine mountaineers of old.cloak and poncho designs inherently kind of suck ass where i spend most of my time at high elevations above treeline bc frigid wind and rain can come underneath you. very suited for some climates though. there's modern designs like https://www.thepacka.com/ that seek to fix these problems rather successfully that in theory could be replicated in wool. >Not that that's a good idea, synthetic fabrics are simply better.yeah i mean with what i do i make a calculated risk any amount im poisoning myself isn't as bad as succumbing to the elements. most people's needs are a lot lower. even then i dont use PFAS and DWR.
>>18301097patagonia's been pushing hard since the 90's to change this and has been decently successful.
>>18301092i'm not saying the cloak looks bad at all by modern standards btw making wools like they used to is like a literal lost art.
>>18300761God white people are such gay pussies. Imagine being allergic to fucking cotton. What's next, allergic to water and air? Are you also allergic to grass you fucking CHUD?
>>18301207Depends in what category your are comparing them. The conventional production of cotten (inorganic and chemical fertilizers) has a bigger footprint than creating synthetic fibres. The graph does not consider product lifecycles or how well they can be broken down, recycled or decomposed. Nylon for example has a bigger carbon footprint, while cotton requires more water and chemicals>>18301212The graph clearly states the toxic impact of synthetics is huge in various context. The study considers pesticide use in production, so cotton scores higher here in comparison to synthetic production that sources fossil resources. However, green house gas emission in nylon is higher, which also implies that toxins are created here.
>>18301293Have fun climbing that Mountain,
>Lift in my 100% cotton shirt, undies, socks, and shorts>Have zero issues>Browse /fa/>See some faggot sperging about cotton>Chuckle>Continue lifting with no issues
>>18301853>Meathead doesn't even understand what people talk about
>>18301885>Lift in my 100% cotton shirt, undies, socks, and shorts>Have zero issues>Browse /fit/>See some faggot sperging about cotton>Chuckle>Continue lifting with no issues
>>18301894Cotton is perfectly fine for lifting. Not so much for going outdoors where it's cold and rainy.
>>18300309And how does that apply to me? You outdoors tech clothing fags are so fucking annoying. Whatever ridiculous scenario of climbing mount everest or making a multiple day appalachian trek does not apply to the vast majority of people - even outdoorsy types. I like hiking and camping and swimming. And I do it very comfortably in cotton, wool, and leather. You're falling for absurd marketing BS if you think humans somehow had no appropriate weather clothing until the 50s.
>>18300373>because that is shatnez and illegaltake your chirstkiller bullshit somewhere else
>>18301927t. never did strenuous activity in inclement weatherYou don't exactly die the moment your shirt gets a little wet, but it becomes pretty miserable pretty quickly.
>>18301923That is why Perun created the wool greatcoat, to be worn over cotton clothing in times of wet cold.
>>18302019you're not some Antarctic explorer anon. You might need one set of plastic shit if you like to camp in freezing temperatures. The rest of the time it's not needed
>>18301927>You're falling for absurd marketing BS if you think humans somehow had no appropriate weather clothing until the 50s.the wool back then may as well be dhaka muslin because they don't make wool like it today.>somehowi fucking hate this mentality reddit has given people where they just say their gut feeling without actually researching the topic for even 2 seconds first.no we really didn't have good outdoor clothing back then. places that are a casual stroll now were no go zones. people died of exposure a lot more often. synthetics weren't the only leap forward after ww2 climbers going from hobnail boots -> rubber plimsoll sneakers was also a game changer. >Whatever ridiculous scenario of climbing mount everest or making a multiple day appalachian trekmulti day? bros i'm out there months doing section hikes and i have to think from that perspective.8-16+ hours to dry out cotton? and how do you expect to get it dry when its dropping rain the size of quarters? or humid out?some perspective man my training hike is a unmaintained boot trail that goes straight up a mountain no switchbacks and every couple years some underprepared tourist/california transplant dies on it. its only a couple miles from the parking lot.>>18302019that and it only needs to be like 50*f out to go hypothermic if you're out there long enough.
>>18302060your idea of "camping" is being like 30 seconds from your car. you're probably european and have never even seen an old growth forest before because they were logged before you were born. there's 16 year old girls on reddit who make you sound and look like a complete pussy. >>18301451carbon footprint is pretty irrelevant. half life of the chemicals and their ability to cross the blood brain barrier is the greater concern. as usual global warming is just used to distract from and take attention away from real ecological problems that aren't made up like the hockey stick graph and virtually every climate projection model since they all still use that 15 year period of data that wikileaks proved was false data through leaking emails from all the top climate researchers where they were emailing back and forth saying they need to make it look like the earth is heating up in order to push communist values. the climate alarmist community fully acknowledged this leak was real, the data was completely falsified, but they STILL USE THE DATA IN THEIR CLIMATE MODELS TO THIS DAY.all the emails compiled: https://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdfarticle about the leak: http://smallthoughts.com/climategate/wikileaks release index: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009remember how 50 years ago they were telling us we were about to enter a new ice age any second and the world was going to end by freezing?>>18301304you're allergic to milk, soft little brown boi.
>>18302070I drink 2 mugs of whole milk everyday soiboi. Never stopped drinking milk since the time I was a toddler.
>>18302056Based
>>18302070>your idea of "camping" is being like 30 seconds from your car. you're probably european and have never even seen an old growth forest before because they were logged before you were born. there's 16 year old girls on reddit who make you sound and look like a complete pussy.deranged and retarded. Lay off the plastic
>>18302070>you're probably europeanIn my estimation, the average cotton apologist lives in the american south and sees freezing temperatures approximately as often as the average european sees old growth forests.
Can someone make a fabrics tier list? Tired of arguing, but I don't want to buy crap.
>>18302067>bros i'm out there months doing section hikes and i have to think from that perspective.Okay. Want a cookie? As I said, thats not remotely relevant to the vast majority of people. Yet that kind of scenario is used to market shit to them that they dont need and that is polluting the planet and probably poisoning people.
>>18302096The old ones knew that you need at least some wool to be ok. Modern people might not know, go hiking in cotton tees, cotton sweatshirts and cotton windbreakers. Then legitimately get into danger when it rains and they're miles from the next heated room and a spare of clothes.
>>18302116sorry for the copout answer but its hard to rank them because the weave and usecase makes such a massive difference (as well as the quality of the thread itself). and weaves arent exclusive to a particular material. for example there's wool seersucker which was recently popping up in menswear. never tried it but for all i know its even better than the normal cotton.it would be easier to rank them for specific uses like warmth, breathability, waterproofing, etc.
>>18302131Considering that this is a fashion board, warmth and maybe durability are probably the only thing that applies. I don't think anyone is worried about hiking gear here.
>>18302116>I don't want to buy crapYou'll find crap for every kind of fabric. Even 100% virgin wool probably.
A lot of times people will say "oh well the US military uses synthetic/synthetic blends so it must be the best there is". But do we really think the US gov is doing whats best for their soldiers and the quality of their uniforms? Or are they doing what works out to be the cheapest acceptable quality on a spreadsheet? Soldiers notoriously have a way higher rate of cancer and mental illness than civilians. So the results dont show the govt caring much beyond them being effective for a few years of service.I worked as a mailman for some years. The uniform clothes were all at least half synthetic blends, with all kinds of marketing jargon about "performance". And you'd think they'd want to outfit us in good quality, breathable, long-lasting clothes. That's what "performance" is. Nope. They're fucking garbage quality, they stain immediately from any dust or sweat that my own clothes would handle fine, the stitching and buttons come apart in months, and they're way too fucking hot for summer heat because they're tightly woven synthetic blends. I ended up wearing my own beater clothes most of the time.
>>18302124>As I said, thats not remotely relevant to the vast majority of peopledidn't i say this when i started posting? agree. >>18302116what the other anon said.learn about textile design and have a baseline knowledge of chem and physics if you actually want to understand. there's no real way to tl;dr it. you can make nice textile out of anything even polyester.sadly there's also few good resources for learning about it. there's more books than info online. people gatekeep this kind of knowledge in the fashion industry its cringe.even stuff like short vs long staple fiber isn't objectively better or worse. dhaka muslin (lost technology now) was made from short fibers. one thing i can say is anyone who's like "this is 100% wool/cotton/etc so its good" don't know what they're talking about the weave/knit and yarn arrangement and all that sort of stuff matter more. >>18302106all fibers are good and have their place.off the trail i wear japanese repro workwear, vintage filson, and traditional menswear. mostly/all natural materials and all made in first world. i try to stick to brands that don't source their components overseas as well.i would never wear plastic except when its inclusion is intentional in my day to day clothes. sometimes its convenient to throw on a rain shell too, as i said highest rainfall in north america. health risk aside its usually not pleasant to wear polyester. nylon is another story i quite like nylon but the swish swish sound not so much.>intentional inclusiona great example is how vintage sweatshirts have almost always had a bit of polyester in them to make them dry in a reasonable time. since their origin is in sports uniforms. which makes sense.or things like a baracuta jacket the synthetic makes sense in.or how older military gear is 50/50 or 65/35 nylon. that shit is actually nice it feels like cotton and wears like cotton but its strong as fuck and more weatherproof.
>>18302150unit cost is very important to them.back when they used nylon cotton blend it was a legit improvement. when they started switching to straight up polyester and poly wool blends its been strictly cost cutting and making uniforms lower maintenance for increasingly dumber lazier soldiers. if money was no object they would be using woven uhmwpe blended with cotton but that shit is literal bleeding edge racing yacht sail material its out of their price range.
>>18302150also i wouldnt be surprised with this new era of hand grenade duct taped to a alibaba drone warfare if militaries move back to using nylon/cotton blend or straight up cotton for flame retardant. its kind of rough for soldiers right now that their uniforms melt and turn into napalm because fire retardance has been shelved so low in priority.
>>18300273ATTENTIONCotton is based in weaves but horrid in knits
>>18302169>Cotton is basedDon't need to read any more
>>18302169I think cotton sweaters are fine. It's like wearing a thick shirt
>>18302208Cotton knit sweaters are a weird middle-ground that has a very specific usecase - when its a moderately cool or moderately windy spring/fall day and you want a sweater instead of a thick shirt for whatever reason. But I find a fleece or french terry sweatshirt or heavy collared shirt like corduroy a lot more comfortable than a knit. And to me it makes more sense to just wait to wear sweaters until its actually cold enough to justify it.And if you wear cotton knits because wool is too itchy on your skin and you dont want to wear a shirt underneath - try buying used cashmere. Pennies on the dollar for the coziest material.>>18302154Woven hwat now?
>>18302169>cotton is based in weaves but horrid in knitsStopped reading there
>>18301927You have no idea what it's like to sleep outside in the winter anon, go ahead and go /out/ and hike through a snowstorm wearing cotton, then sleep out there. Let me know how it goes for you
>>18302366Boy, nobody said cotton was their only type of fabric.Thrift stores exist.
>>18302366>>18302368Appropriate clothing for the occasion
>>18302368>>18302373FUCK YOU!
>>18302375Come on, boy. Just because I successfully won the debate with you, doesn't mean you need to be a sore loser
>>18302070>serious outdoors shityour retarded ass again KEKhow's that reddit expedition going btw? larping queer
>>18302366>You have no idea what it's like to sleep outside in the winterI was born in Finland
>>18302366Have you thought about using your own body to create heat for you by gaining some muscle?I actively wear short sleeve cotton with no coat on winter walks because I overheat otherwise
>>18302379ameris are such pussies älämo
>>18302368Yeah synthetics and wool work well, but cotton will make you freeze your ass off. I forgot you mentioned wool/leather so fair point>>18302384If you can keep the moisture in your cotton garments warm, then yeah it'll be okay for the time being, but when you stop moving around to go to sleep or sit down for a little bit, then it starts to wick your body heat away>>18302379Try to hike through a snowstorm wearing cotton without getting it wet through sweating or snow melting on you. If you can keep cotton dry, then sure it's warm. The problem is that once it gets wet, it takes forever to dry and doesn't keep you warm at all if you get it wet, which you likely will. This is why wool or synthetics work better, although I prefer wool myself>>18302385No u
>>18302379>>18302385LOL anon the tallest mountain in your country is 4000 feet. that's the same height as the one i said my training hike i do 1-2x a week is. that's hilarious. can you even get above the treeline in finland?europeans always larp as badasses but there's no evidence for it. this is a well known meme in the outdoor community.most countries in europe logged their forests out of existence. the only thru hike on your whole continent is in norway. most forests are the size of postage stamps and don't even have wildlife to worry about. no wonder you think its silly how serious i take things it would be if i was a european! lol! bro there's 17 year old girls who solo hike across america start to finish who do more serious shit outdoors than you even... can in your country. i love how youtube and social media exposed that every guy in europe who larps as some grizzled badass mountain man really just bumbles around some woods the size of my back yard with 70lbs of gear. europeans get laughed out on most outdoor forums but 4chan is full of those types of guys its so funny. >>18302217woven ultra high molecular weight woven polyethylene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-molecular-weight_polyethyleneif uve climbed or pitched a tarp before you prly know what it is but you might know it by one of the brand names not "uhmwpe"
>>18302379>>18302385wait bro prominence only 1700 feet?? lol? that's less than half my WORK OUT. please tell me google is wrong.
>>18301030>synthetic fibers are a H U G E quality of life improvement for people who live in incliment weather, work outdoors, etc.I've done 20 hour shifts in blizzard conditions and i disagree. wool kept me alive where synthetics gave me hypothermia.
>>18302635that doesn't make sense. fleece is more thermally efficient than wool and dries faster. also doesn't make sense because if you're in truly extreme conditions you're going to be insulating yourself with feathers in a 1 or 2 piece expedition suit most likely. idk where you live but here they check your gear before giving you permits to summit. i'm climbing 13k mountains and crossing glaciers.
>>18302635>shiftsoh i misread that. wool makes sense for that because it doesn't lose insulative property as fast when its semi-damp. and you don't have to worry about dry times because you're not sleeping out there.the "wool is warm when wet" thing is only half true but it is pretty relevant working outdoors and doing static tasks where you're sweating a bit. wool doesn't insulate at all when saturated but the curve at which it loses its insulation is a lot less steep than other materials and then falls off a cliff once you get towards saturated and catches up with everything else.
>>18302225Why? have you ever sweat in a cotton knit? shit just clings to your skin and gets really coldMerino is better for knits
>>18302208I don’t know much abut gsm, but i suppose a heavy cotton knit would be soft and comfortable. good point nigga
>>18302638Merino base with polar fleece on top with a thin down layer as the shell is so warm
>>18302632Not him but you do know Finland children sleep outside during winter?https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988
>>18302634Less than half your your workout? Well I guess I'll climb it four times
>>18302620Cotton is for the indoors gym, silk and wool are for the outside gym.Linen can fuck off
>>18302765>Cotton for the gymAre you fucked? polyester or nylon spandex is morr suited for that due to washability and quick drying time
>>18302778Cotton is washable? It is quick drying, only a few minute in the dryer?Impatient prick
>>18302780When you are working out it absorbs sweat and takes a long time to dryI guess it is okay due to it feeling cold when wet, but still… would rather poly because it dries quick as you are working out
>>18302785K
>>18302785You haven't tried cotton, you're just regurgitating what you've heard others say about it
>>18302778Cotton is for the indoor heated gym, silk and wool are for the outside gym
>>18302788Nope, i actually wear pima cotton to bed because it is cool, soft and very breathableWould never wear it to work outI have tried pima cotton knits in humid weather- never again
>>18302778polyester just traps sweat inside the garment
>>18302815Personally i wouldnt work out in silk but i can understand the appeal.
>>18302887Yup so you throw it in the wash when you get home- it is synthetic so you don’t have to worry about air drying or dry cleaning
>>18302887LolnoCotton "traps" moisture because it doesn't dry. Polyester is the opposite, it just dries off extremely quickly.
>>18302901Polyester dries you quickly but also heats you more than cotton. So it's a net negative. In polyester clothes you keep sweating, drying, and sweating again (and also dehydrating), and all the while you get stinkier and stinkier from the oils and metabolic wastes pooling up in the same spot and concentrating the stench, because polyester doesn't diffuse the sweat into the entire fabric. It wicks and evaporates the water in the sweat from the same spot. This is why zoomers stink, because most of their clothes are polyester or polyester blend.
>>18302976>heats you more than cottonLolwhatThat depends entirely on the weave and the thickness of the fabric. Thin polyesters exists.
>>18302976You are stupid my friendHigh schoolers smell like shit because of pubertyZoomers tend to smell better than everyone because we use cologne every dayPoly trapping bacteria during a workout doesn’t matter, because you wear it once then take it off and wash itCotton clings to your body when you sweat, is uncomfy
>>18302886DO YOU EXPECT ME TO PUT HOLES MY GOOD POLYESTER WHILE USING THE CHAIN BELT?!
>>18302978it is well known that poly is very insulative. One of the arguments you fags use are that you need it for cold weather. I personally find it stifling>>18302982Do you really sweat like an absolute pig to the point where your entire shirt is soaked through?
>>18303032>Do you really sweat like an absolute pig to the point where your entire shirt is soaked through?Only people who love polyester do, fucking fatasses. Cotton is king if you are not obese
>>18303032Yeah i sweat a lot actually>>18303041>pig
>>18303032>poly is very insulativeMy nigger, do you understand how insulation works? You can absolutely make a polyester garment that is minimally insulating.
>>18302982>Poly trapping bacteria during a workout doesn’t matter, because you wear it once then take it off and wash itUhhh, you can do the same with cotton
Maybe don't go swimming in a river while wearing cotton in cold conditions, dumbass
>>18303045I sweat minimally after getting rid of my polyester, cotton is Kang.
>>18303045
>>18303052Yup, but it will stay cold and wet as you work out + on the way home, where poly will dry pretty quick during the workoutDo any of you even work out? lol
>>18303059Rude
>>18303060>he doesn't bring a change of clothes to the gym or shower in the gym locker roomGet away from me, smelly
>>18303060>Yup, but it will stay cold and wet I am never cold and wet on the drive back, are you pouring water on yourself?
>>18303066Fuck you Ahmedabad Mohammed Obama Kamala Khan, I don't live in a desert area
>>18303068Then be silent about this topic, and discuss with your own neighbors.
>>18303063I have no body odor and smell like tom ford cologne, and i work out at home because im not disgusting
>>18303089I shiggy diggy
>>18303049It will always be significantly more insulative than a cotton fabric of the same thickness
>>18303045>Yeah i sweat a lot actuallythen you have gross DNA and you smell bad
I think I know what your problem is, you think tight cotton clothes are the only option.Baggy cotton clothes won't stick to your body with small sweating
>>18303108Picrel unrelated btw, just thought those pants looked neat
>>18303105I get complimented for smelling nice; seethe ugly person. good luck wearing cotton to the public gym! haha
>>18303112yeah I wear 100% cotton shirt and shorts because I don't sweat like a pig. It's so nice and breezy and my sweat doesn't pool up on my skin
>>18303117My clothes aren't tight
>>18303120They ain't baggy enough
>>18303123I don't need to wear a bedsheet. Besides it simply becomes worse when you make it out of plastic
It's never been this over for plastic fagshttps://www.theguardian.com/wellness/2023/nov/02/workout-clothes-sweat-chemicals-cancer
>>18303114Like i said before, cotton is based in a weave. disgusting in a knit
>>18303128Cap
>>18300369personally i blame solbrah
>>18302632Cool story bro, mind sharing a pic of your "training"? Reddit pics don't count btwAlso post your gear
>>18302634Cool, post gear faggot
>>18303192You misgendered me, drop and give me 2 barveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKTjzLVAx4E
>>18303206Post gear, queerlet
>>18303212Your mama
>>18303214>Writes essays about le serious outdoors shit>Larps as a hardcore ultralight dweeb >Doesn't post gearGay and pathetic, kys
>>18303219Your grandmama
>>18302634The whole country was flatted by the ice age.
>>18303045give pussy
>>18303241>whips you in the face with my COCK
>>18302746>>18303192ok sure here's one up there but its on the longer, maintained route with an actual trail and switchbacks not my usual one. if you're going to cry about it being a manicured trail i was on the crew that made a lot of the trail on this mountain. i only have the occasional candid and photo i wind up in the background of, i think its very feminine to take selfies and i don't have social media.what gear do you want to see? >>18303236why are they acting like badasses?
>>18303303>i think its very feminine to take selfies and i don't have social mediafaggot
>>18303303not him but i'd be interested to see what you take on a for a rainy cold/chilly few day trip
>>18303303>Bloused trousersAutism
>>18303325all my gear? i'd have to make an infographic or something. trying to remember my lighterpack login.clothes? idk something likeshell - frog toggs if i'm on trails silpoly diy jacket if notactive insulation - i prefer mountain hardwear airmesh to alpha direct not quite as good on paper but a lot more durable. if we're off trail i got a cheap polartec 100 on. static insulation - feathered friends eos or an apex jackethat - tightest knit wool beanie i can findhat 2 - filson tin cloth dad cap i really need a waterproof wide brim hat but i have an xxl head nothing's worked out so farneck gaiter - generic and type depends on weather i have thin ass ones and thick fleece/wool onesgloves - bison wool linersbaselayers - icebreaker merino, i have all the weights they come in, thinking about switching to mesh like brynjeshorts - pre buyout 5ultimate hydro shorts rip the best ul shorts ever madepants - unpopular choice, i highly prefer baggy vintage style ripstop hiking pants over modern elastine ones unless i'm bushwhackingalso i'm a shorts > pants kind of guy unless its below freezing. the best pants for staying dry is just not wearing pants. socks - darn toughshoes - saucony for runners salomon or scarpa for boots usuallygaiters - dirty girl for runners for boots im prly just blousing if we're not talking swamp or glaciers and blizzards there aren't rly snakes around herenon ultralight sperg shit i do - started carrying my medical kit and a basic emergency kit and my medicine in a fanny on my person at all times bc i cant help but notice getting separated from your gear taking a piss or due to animal encounters is a common way to diepack - ula robic nylon pack i like to take the more durable > high performant stuff on shorter trips. lined with a bag and everything packed loosely in. if its a 1-2 day i might be able to fit everything in my daypack. shelter - im a tarp kinda guysleep - maxed out spec hammock gear custom bag
>>18303407Do you have a girlfriend
also i'm not an ultralighter just adjacent. used to be but these days i take a bit more base weight than them but still a lot less than non ul'ers. ultralight mentality but i weigh in more factors like reliability and real world usability than just weight to warmth ratio. and i will always take some kind of instrument with me to pass time.
>>18303409nah taking a break from all that right now after my last relationship i realized i've been single for less than 6 months of my adult life. its nice.
>>18303414Find a wife who likes doing outdoors activities, she will like you a lot
>>18303420i had two of those i almost married. one of them tried weed then remembered a bunch of blocked out bad touch childhood memories and had a psychotic episode and joined a cult that literally cattle branded her. shame too her insanity was all environmental not genetic and she was hot high iq and has a ochem phd would have been prime baby making material. i have no interest in that one but i still talk to her out of morbid curiosity. the other one was also hot, high iq, rich old money heiress etc. problem was her best friend got violently murdered and she also lost her marbles. woke up on christmas one year to her gone. said she left because i showed weakness bc i got depressed for a little bit over a childhood friend i went into business with ripping me off for 150k and she said she could never see me the same way because i cried in front of her over it (for like 1/2 a second) haha women are heartless. i'll take what comes my way but these days i just take care of myself numero uno.
>>18303420https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swNFRp8kQTU
>>18303430I don't want you to move on from your fabric traumaCotton is king
>>18303420I want a wife, not a tranny. The highest priority of a woman should be starting a family and taking care of the household. If I wanted someone who's into outdoor activities, then I'd hang out with a dude, not a femoid whose body is not meant to be athletic.
>>18303442Guarantee you will never find a woman- maybe a roastie will settle for you once she hits the wall haha
>>18303438Fornicate with thine own mother rectally in the syle of dogs until she quivers from climax of orgasm, man of brown skinned persuasion.
>>18300273i only wear cotton because i have sensory issues.
>>18303596what?
>>18303597Just checking if you were lying about the sensory issues. You got confused by a peach so you do tell the truth, I apologize for using underhanded tactics
>>18303598i still dont get it after googling it but ok
>>18303366What?
>>18304111Autism
>>18304646EXPLAIN?
just got a nice cotton dress for summer
>>18307069Aussie chud spotted
>>18301097Ahem!May i make a case for HEMP!https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669022008147
bump
>>18307409the only problem with hemp is it has really shitty texture so you have to blend it or else it feels like a burlap ballsack.i've only ever seen one 100% hemp product that actually has a good hand feel on the market, these jeans naked & famous made about a year ago. i've never seen any other brand pull it off but it shows its possible at least in heavier weaves.
>>18300373Wool and linen should be blended with hemp for duribility.
>>18303591Plastic clothes bother my skin too
>>18307069YWNBAW
>>18300273Elvis is the King
>>18300273Elvis the King.
I think we should reinstate old-school plantation style slavery
>>18311051Who will be the forced employees?
>>18311051this is basically what enables cheap cotton clothing. its sourced from china in specific regions where uighur slaves have to pick cotton. it was a thing a few years ago but nobody seems to care now
>>18311263nah not to be a dick but that's completely wrong.xinjiang cotton is extremely high quality at 4cm average staple length. its one of the best cotton growing regions in the world. its the same quality as zimbabwe cotton making it a+ tier. the only cotton in the world better is sea island cotton which averages up to 5cm staple.and like 3/4 of the world has banned import of it (completed garments or raw material or textile) yeah you can order clothes made of it direct from china as a consumer but stockists and retailers can't buy it so its not a big part of the market.and china's actually the biggest importer of cotton they don't export the raw material so much. most low quality cotton in the world is grown in the united states and mexico and places like that actually. usa upland cotton makes up most low grade cotton in the global market last i checked. we grow very shit and very good cotton in the states, big country with multiple climates.>short staple>badactually technically kinda a misnomer. its bad based on the way we currently make clothes. but we used to know how to make extremely high quality textile from short staple fibers look up "dhaka muslin" the techniques are lost to time though.
>>18311305interesting, i will look for zimbabwe cotton in the future
>>18311307https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossypium_barbadense#G._barbadense_organized_by_market_classthey grow a lot of ELS cotton in china, india, egypt, usa, brazil, zimbabwe, argentina, etc. not all cotton from those places is good only a fraction of what they make. if its ELS they usually tell you in the product description or say its supima or something like that.
>>18300309Hey fuck off, I don't need to be outside, I have a job.
>>18311305>look up "dhaka muslin"The BBC article says one thing:>Dhaka muslin came in thread counts up to 1,200, but the highest achieved in recent years is 300and that the knowledge is lost, but the wikipedia article says that they are getting 500+ easily and some people have gotten up to 700. still not as good as before. This is for the revival in the 1960's, so I'm not sure where they've gotten now.It looks like they had to re-invent a lot of the tools though.Maybe in a few decades they could get back to 1000-count.
>>18311167I will start with the WNBA if I'm elected
>>18311305>we used to know how to makeMore like, a very small community in india used to know. And it was an extremely laborious process that produced extremely thin luxury fabrics, nothing that could be produced economically for the masses or used in practical everyday clothing.
>>18312506yeah that's the story of it. but the point of my post is short staple fibers have been the ideal input for a high quality textile before, thing is we just aren't sure how they did it.
>>18311566You can thank the anglokikes who systematically destroyed India's textile industry (the oldest cotton textile industry in the world). Who knows what else was lost.
>>18300291Not reading all that
>>18313297its starting to have a bit of a renaissance because india DOES have regions that are very ideal for growing ELS and a lot of money in their garment industry for machines r&d etc.
