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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia alone. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

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Anyone tried these for min? I hate how my hair soaks most of the liquid even though I apply it directly on the scalp skin.

>>18301318
Oral min is always the answer

Does anyone measure their topical min to be taken orally with the standard dropper that comes with Kirkland etc? I don't have a medical syringe or anything like and the drops out of the Kirkland 1ml dropper seem like they would be way overdosing even with a single drop?

>>18301722
I measured out how many drops reliably come out when filled up to the 1ml line, I always got an average of 38, just divide this by the amount of minoxidil in 5%, that's 50mg per 1ml, one drop is approximately 1.25mg, 4 drops is 5mg, etc.

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>>18301743
So 4 drops out of this would be safe?

>>18301749
Yes that would be safe, I started out with 1 drop every day until I was sure there would be no weird sides, then I went up to 2 drops within a week and then 4 drops a few days after that.

Since these are such small amounts of liquid, I put them in a small drinking glass and drink it with a small amount of water, and then fill it up with water 2 more times to make sure I got all of it.

>>18301757
Another thing, liquid min will eventually degrade being exposed to oxygen repeatedly, I would switch bottles at least every 6 months after being opened every day.

>>18301749
It has an exact mark of 1ml on it, no need to follow the 4 drop approximation of that anon. Use your fucking brain.

>>18301911
Also, I really hope he means 4 drops out of that dropper and not 4 whole droppers worth like someone suggested here a few months ago, how stupid can one be

>>18301057
I was one of the lucky few where minox worked for them. Guess I'll use this until im like 60 (which is the new middle age btw)

>>18301947
Your balding can still overrun minox effects. In fact it can make your final shed absolutely brutal and devastating

>>18301911
I am using it that's why i asked? you can literally die from dosing incorrectly one time by the way. god im such an idiot!

>>18302000
You'd probably be hospitalized taking more than 2ml orally and require intravenous adrenaline shots to not die if you were to drink the whole bottle but it's not at all dangerous if you're dosing a few drops at a time.

>>18301318
just bought one. haven't tried it yet.

any luck?

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>>18301757
>>18302153
I just started with 1 drop of minox in a tall glass of water, just to be sure I don't get other side effects. I'll probably up it to two drops in tap water later on.
How many times did you take 1 drop per day? Only once?

This is the last thing I'm trying since topical doesn't work, there's no oral pill here, no doctor wants to help with prescribing propecia/fin

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>>18301057
spiro saved my hair so i dont know what ur on about?

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Barber fucked my shit up, how do I fix it? Should I keep the fringe and go for an undercut?

>>18303919
Once daily, there's reddit graphs showing that it stays in your blood all day if you go at least 5mg once daily.

Also you should look into Indian pharma sites if you can't get fin legitimately.

>>18303919
As long as you live in the 1st world you can pay for a doctor to prescribe fin online. This is how the majority of people get it, not so much begging a doctor in person.

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I've started taking Finasteride since a week ago (7 days) and now I have a weird pain on my left breast/nipple. Does it eventually go away or should I just give up on it? I've read online that this could potentially become male breast cancer due to having a hormonal imbalance so I'm not too sure on whether to continue taking it or to just stop completely. I'd like to keep my hair like everyone else but man this making me have some serious second thoughts. Has anyone else experienced this before?

>>18303919
>1 drop
Measure how many drops are 2.5mg or 5mg. Take it twice a day because the half life of oral min is around 4 hours and drops off significantly afterwards.

>>18304185
>stays in your blood all day
That's for topical. Oral stays in your system for only a few hours.

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>>18304445
2.5mg oral is basically gone after 6 hours
5mg sticks around for at least 12 hours
though you're gonna come up against resistance recommending 5mg twice daily, it's also more annoying, whatever you can stick with consistently with is what you should take.

>>18304429
Must be purely psychological or unrelated to finasteride. You can't experience physical side-effects after a week. Also as long as you were healthy prior to starting finasteride you would not create a hormonal imbalance. You have a low chance of increasing your estrogen but not significantly enough to push your hormonal levels into estrogen excess, about 10-15%. However if you are experiencing an increase in estrogen levels then it is directly the result of a similar increase in testosterone which balances out.

>>18304449
>Must be purely psychological or unrelated to finasteride
It is related to it, unfortunately. Each time I take a pill, the pain/weird feeling on my chest gets stronger. I was pretty healthy before taking it since I usually exercise (cardio) on a daily basis, so I am sure that I am not making things up.

My left breast looks exactly the same as always, which is why I'm still not fully alarmed just yet, but I wouldn't want this to turn into a worse condition. Are these symptoms completely normal for an adult male or is there more to it?

>>18304429
You are schizophrenic
> I've read online that this could potentially become male breast cancer due to having a hormonal imbalance
Cancers take years to grow, sometimes 10+ years to show any kind of symptom.
>>18304466
>Are these symptoms completely normal for an adult male or is there more to it?
Chronic pain is never normal but it literally can't be related to finasteride yet. Go get a CT scan or something if you are worried and anything that pops up can't physically or biologically be related to finasteride. Not even pure estrogen would cause something like that.
>Each time I take a pill, the pain/weird feeling on my chest gets stronger.
That's literally just schizophrenia

>>18304466
Did you google a bunch of symptoms and freak yourself out? The pain could be from exercising or any number of other things but now that you have associated it with finasteride you will hyper-fixate on it and possibly imagine it getting worse. There is even a medical term for this phenomenon called cyberchondria .

>>18304479
i hate psychiatry, they take something that already exists and label it a new disease because the internet made it worse

>>18304477
>You are schizophrenic
I wish I were making this stuff up but I'm just sharing my perspective based on what I've experienced so far with this drug in particular.
>Cancers take years to grow, sometimes 10+ years to show any kind of symptom.
Fair enough, I'm just worried because this simply didn't happen to me before taking it. I have no ill will towards Finasteride or anyone who takes it, I just feel like I'm experiencing some rather unpleasant side effects at the moment. I'm guessing you've also taken it and never experienced any chest pain before?
>Go get a CT scan or something if you are worried and anything that pops up can't physically or biologically be related to finasteride
I reckon that's fair advice and I'll probably do it next week.
>>18304479
>Did you google a bunch of symptoms and freak yourself out?
I wanted to confirm whether what I'm currently experiencing with finasteride is normal or not, basically. I was fully aware that taking could come with some potential side effects though I never imagined to experience pain on my left breast like this after taking it for 7 days in a row now. I have not taken any other drugs nor have I consumed anything else that could be causing this while simply following my daily routine.

what are the advantages to oral min and fin as opposed to topical options? i already take an anti-depressant and something for my test levels so it'd be easier to remember a couple extra meds a day than it would be to massage foam or gel onto my forehead after all my showers.

>>18304868
In both cases the oral route gives you a systemic dose that guarantees you are getting the full effect of the medication, while topical risks it getting trapped on your hair, or not absorbing right, or separating and leading to suboptimal doses. Oral is also more resistant to degradation from light.
The systemic dose comes, of course, with an increased risk of side effects as well as potential side effects that topical simply wouldn't cause.

In the particular case of minoxidil, around 50% of men lack sufficient quantities of sulfotransferase in their scalps to convert minoxidil to its active form, minoxidil sulfate, which means that those 50% of men get little to no results from minoxidil. 100% of men have sufficient amounts in their livers, where oral min is metabolized (inb4 someone posts a single person who has a sulfotransferase deficiency or severe alcoholism that means their livers can't do the job).

>>18304097
Bump for this, I got a new appointment in one hour and I don't know what to ask for, maybe an undercut and a fringe? I'd really appreciate any kind of help or advice, I don't want to fuck up my cut even more

been using topical minoxidil to try it out for about 4 months now and my blood pressure average has fallen from 120/80 to like 90/65

am i fucked, should I stop?

>>18305020
If you're not feeling faint while standing up you're fine.
Also there's no way only topical did that.

>>18304448
>5mg sticks around for at least 12 hours
You can see a steep drop at hours 2 and 4, just like I was saying.
Based on my own experience, it's best to use it 2 or 3 times a day if you want significant gains.
Even using bigger doses (I used 10mg+) once a day doesn't produce reuslts as good as the same dose broken down throughout the day.

How do you guys apply minox on your scalp? its too messy

>>18305528
i just put the min in my mouth and swallow

Any point using Fin or Min if I'm already bald?

>>18305542
Depends how bad it is, but it's realistic to go down up to two Norwood stages after a year or two of fin and min.
The rule is, your hair follicles aren't truly dead and gone until your scalp is shiny from a complete lack of vellus hair growth.

>>18304869
this seems like a great breakdown, thanks anon. taking them orally though, am i gonna grow more hair... everywhere? cause i don't know if i want any more body hair, and i'd sure like to avoid the couple little hairs that grow between my brows going full unibrow on me. lol

>>18305567
I'm on 10mg myself, you won't suddenly grow hair where there is none, but it will make existing body hair longer and darker but nowhere to the extent that it does on your head.
I'll admit I was pretty hairy already but I had no back hair when I started and I still don't.

I have to trim my nose hair and use an eyebrow razor under my eyes and between my nose to get rid of darkened peach fuzz.
Maybe don't do 10mg and it won't be so bad.

>>18305575
this is an amazing answer anon, thanks! i particularly appreciated the back hair note, because i also don't have hair on my back and would prefer to keep it that way. lol

>>18305567
Not him, but I've been doing 10-15mg daily for the past ~10 months, and I grew a bit of hair everywhere, mainly my back and upper arms. I was hairy already before doing oral minoxidil though. Got more hair on my face, but it's manageable with a trimmer once a month.

>>18306208
that's interesting. i'll have to keep that in mind. i'm actually pretty happy with the amount of hair on my arms and wouldn't want more if i could help it.

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Serious question: why not just shave it all off at this point? There is nothing wrong with being a bald man, and you can always complement your shiny dome with a beard and some muscle. Apparently, women love this look on men.

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How bad is this?

>>18306585
Can't see shit, post actual pictures of your hairline instead of lame selfies

>>18306540
A lot of people are not at the point of just shaving it off. Looking like that guy is a lot more effort than taking a pill daily

>>18306655
>Looking like that guy is a lot more effort than taking a pill daily
Literally just go to the gym and grow a beard, lol. Growing a beard requires no effort at all and most men already go to the gym 3-4 times a week.

>>18306660
Maintaining a bald head requires shaving your horseshoe almost daily, fuck off with your grift.

>>18306674
Just get a gf then and let her shave your head for you, retardo. And you don't really need to shave it all off with a blade all the time, clippers without a guard work just fine, so it's like 5 minutes max.

>>18306679
I'll just keep my hair

>>18306679
literally more work than popping a pill once daily, being bald is hard work.

>>18306585
I don't see lots of tiny new sprouting (miniturizing hairs) nor do I see significant thinning on your temples, you're fine.
Take fin if you want a preventative measure but you're not balding.

>>18306540
>>18306660
>just go to the gym (aka at least a year of consistent effort just to stop looking like a cancer patient)
>just grow a beard (aka chrome dome + beard to get the peak redditor look, btw your patchy pube beard doesn't look good)
>just put up the tuff guy schtick
>just have a fake mean mug all the time
>just look like a copelord 24/7 with all the trinkets and accessories that only accentuate the bald head
lol nigga you're putting way more effort and thought into that look than a guy that pops a pill a day

>>18303922
this isn't even spiro
that man took cypro and used topical estradiol and minoxidil to get that.
And i'm pretty sure he went full HRT after that because I can't find any mention of him after 2018 other than those pics.

>>18306540
The guy's all tatted up, steroid physique, has a vietnam vet beard, grunge clothes, completely shaven head, and still ended up looking like a sóyboy.
Grim,it's over for baldcels.

>>18306540
Most baldies are already dysgenic, you think it's gonna be that easy to get a good physique? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of big dudes with smooth heads are either shaving off a hairline that wasn't moving (The Rock is an example of this I think) because of aesthetics or easy maintenance, OR they self-inflicted their Norwood with gear and would have been fine if they stayed skinny.

wait you guys actually take cypro to stop balding? i take it just as part of my hrt. i thought you would just stick with fin / dut?

>>18306540
This guy looks mid 30s to early 40s. I'm in my early 20s I don't want to look like him.

>>18307080
yeah I wouldn't suggest anti-androgens at all unless you're trying to go full femboy which most men are not

>>18307080
>wait you guys actually take cypro to stop balding?
It's a meme that one guy keeps forcing.
Out of curiosity, did you have male-pattern baldness before and did transitioning do anything about it?
I have zero intention of doing it myself.

>>18307080
Cyproterone is retard mode for guys, it's the chemical castration drug that people pretend finasteride is.

>>18307111
>I'm in my early 20s I don't want to look like him.
Why? Chicks love hypermasculine men who look like him. Don't you want them to love you?

>>18307116
i took fin before i transitioned for a few years but i didnt really have any mpb, i was just scared i might get it

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What norwood am I, bros? kek

Fin/Min/Tret so far (1.25mg/5%/0.05%) and switched to 2x Minox yesterday. No regrowth so far. I almost never shed, either. Like I never see hair fall.

Really hoping it's just AGA and not also Alopecia Areata. Don't wanna deal with that. Gonna get an HT next year but to me it's not an either or situation, HT is just another therapy to increase follicle density along with the meds.

Will do microneedling next week (have a pretty novel method for it, too) and will up Tretinoin to 0.1% soon, but I noticed I bought the gel version and I'm now hearing that has absorption issues with Minoxidil. Fuck. Might need to find the pure powder version and find a compounding pharmacy to combine it with Min.

Might do Dutasteride Mesotherapy next year, too.

>>18307277
no offense but letting it get this bad is like, idk if theres coming back from this

>>18307306
yeah it's like a decade+ of neglect, no excuses there

but you can definitely come back from that, the only question is if you will respond to meds

How do you niggas deal with the bloat from minoxidil? Im lean and healthy, but this shit makes me giga bloated, im looking like a fucking alcoholic

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Hi, sorry im posting this here since theres no hair general and you people seem to know a low about hair(and lack thereof)

What products or techniques do I need to achieve the references? I also have a middle part that I want to get rid of because it ruins the messy look

>>18307394
Can you post pics?

>>18307277
Harder to gauge norwood for a diffuse thinner. I would say you are equivalent to a 4.5. I don't think you will see much regrowth for 10 years of neglect, you are missing too much density for the amount of regrowth expected from fin/min to make a difference. Luckily you appear to still have an intact hairline so a HT + clever styling would go far.

>>18307277
>(have a pretty novel method for it, too)
Describe your method

Does it make a difference whether you're balding on top/ thinning versus just a receding hairline? I have the latter and with the hairline as receded as it already is, you'd think most people would start getting a bald spot on top or general thinning. Yet my hairline is just severely receded at the temples. Is this a sign of anything? Could this mean it will just limit itself to the temples and I possibly wont go completely bald yet?

>>18301057
So 5-Alpha-Reductase has three isoforms, and apparently only I and II are in significant amounts in humans.
Finasteride inhibits II, Dutasteride inhibits I and II.
I want to crowdsource information on the inhibitory effects of other DHT blockers like Saw Palmetto. From my preliminary research, Palmetto inhibits I and II (obviously to a much lesser extent than dut BUT if you were doing something like fin + topical saw palmetto, nothing to sneeze at).
Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4847595/

I invite a fact-check on my findings, and I would like to get some information on other things such as:
>Pumpkin Seed Oil
>Ketoconazole
>Topical Zinc
And any other topical DHT blockers that people talk about. Obviously none of them can replace fin or dut on their own, but I'm interested in how effective they might be as a supplementary treatment.

>>18307720
I was like that initially and then the bald spot started. Do not count on it being just your hairline.
Young men look in their mirrors, see mild recession on the hairline, tell themselves it won't progress, and a year later they don't feel so good -- NORWOOD III. Many such cases!

>>18307720
Make no mistake all hair loss from balding is thinning, your hairline/temples are thinning. Your hairline was being affected by DHT first, instead of the crown or entire scalp for that matter. The crown will eventually start going and meet the hairline in the middle of your scalp, completing the transition into norwood 5. Its quite rare for it to simply stop but still possible, your current age is important. If you decide to wait and see keep in mind it may be impossible to get back to where you were previously if the balding progresses and you may be saving thousands of dollars on a transplant.

>>18307720
Top thinning tends to respond better to treatment ,if your hairline is gone it's over and only a transplant can fix it. A receding hairline will also change your appearance more dramatically because it starts to frame your face differently as your hairline goes back and also becomes wider.
>see mild recession on the hairline, tell themselves it won't progress
Some people won't accept it. The usual cope is they see some recession and desperately try to find some picture of them as a child to convince themselves 'their hairline has always been this way', two years later their hairline is dramatically visibly worse and only then they start looking for treatment. By the time they hop on finasteride its probably too late and often times this happens while they are still in their 20s...

>>18307720
Any type of recession or thinning is balding.
Congrats, you're balding.

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>>18307536
microneedling every single day

0.25mm 6x/week
0.50mm 3x/month
0.75mm 1x/month

There is no reason going beyond 0.8mm. 0.6mm was shown more efficacious in a more recent study than 1.2mm. It's kind of like Finasteride in that sense, lower doses give you 90%+ of the efficacy while greatly reducing chance of sides. I do not fuck with the longer lengths due to scalp fibrosis chance.

Either way, 0.25mm is to penetrate the stratum corneum and improve absorption of minoxidil. The depth of this part of the skin is around 0.4mm. I used this post as a general guideline:
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/wsp5kz/comprehensive_microneedling_guide/

I use a Derminator 2 so I can only increase by 0.25mm increments.

>>18308392
nigga you got no hair

Oral min is difficult to get where I'm from. Is just taking dutasteride enough to save ny hair or should I keep trying to somehow obtain oral min?

>>18308492
It's 2024 gramps, everyone is just drinking topical min.

>>18303922
youre a half black nigger with a bald head that posts about depression on lgbt.
more and more anons grow wise to your slimy tricks every day and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
4plebs.org
search "rugga"
thats the fa janny and pin dicked nigger who made this post trying to shill tranny meds to white guys because he believes in yakub.

I recently started drinking topical min. I drop 0.2ml unde my tongue before bed every night, but for whatever reason I’m not trusting it. Am I supposed to feel anything like heart palpitations or something to know that it’s working? Do I just drop the topical off my routine overnight?

>>18308492
minoxidil oral or otherwise doesn't save your hair it just promotes growth

>>18308574
Fuck, so not even dut is enough by itself? That is terrible news.

>>18308583
dut is the best treatment for actually preventing further loss. no need for minoxidil unless you have areas you need hair to grow thicker in

>>18308570
You'll know it's working if you experience some kind of shed about 2-3 weeks in.

>>18308586
>no need for minoxidil unless you have areas you need hair to grow thicker in
Well I used to have really thick hair but now it has thinned out to a standard thickness, ideally I would like to go back to my really thick hair but maybe that is just being greedy.

>>18308586
Also if I stop min will the hair I regained fall out even if I am taking dut?

>>18308602
Yes and no. With dutasteride you should experience moderate regrowth in the coming years and with a bit of luck complete regrowth. Hair density increased from minoxidil is 100% dependent on the continuation of the medication in more of a superficial way. The blocking of DHT with dutasteride will simultaneously be allowing those miniaturized follicles to reverse the process and synchronize back to the healthy growth cycle. Basically if you stayed on min for long enough and had regrowth from dut or fin then those hairs would be safe after quitting min.

>>18306540
>jacked and tatted Asmongold

>>18308612
Thank you so much for helping me with this, it has really helped me a lot.WAGMI

>>18308612
NTA but is there any timeline where I can take min temporarily concurrently with dutasteride, and then after ceasing min, the dut lets me keep my gains?
What I'm hearing is that minoxidil can boost blood flow to the follicles and keep them growing but the blood vessels cannot heal and maintain this flow without DHT blockers, and this healing takes a long time, and minoxidil doesn't accelerate it.

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I don't fuck with oral minoxidil and I won't fuck with ru58841

I draw the line at sides that can kill you

red pill: topical min is superior to oral min

>>18308570
0.2ml usually equals to 10mg, which should give you results within 2 - 4 months.

>>18308492
>>18308583
>>18308602
Dut is for getting rid of DHT in your scalp. It should prevent any further hair loss.
Min is for regrowth.

>>18308859
lol

>>18308870
looks like you're not ready for the truth

thinking about switching to dut after a year on 1.25mg fin, should I keep taking fin for a while or is that unnecessary?

>>18308757
It depends on the stage of miniaturization. Minoxidil is great at turning formerly on the brink of death vellus hairs into terminal. DHT blockers do the same albeit more slowly and for most people that will be apparent through up to dozens of sheds over the years, compared to the singular one most report from minoxidil. I don't think the discontinuation of minoxidil would have your hair return to pre minoxidil stage provided you allow enough time for the DHT blocker to have an impact on those same follicles. Most people see regrowth from DHT blockers at 6-12 months at the earliest. The shortest minoxidil stint i would do is a year to not be a waste

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>>18308925
Up to you, really. It's not a bad idea to switch, but you haven't been on Fin long enough to see the full effect.

>>18308990
Will popping birth control pills as a man give me hair?

>>18309008
yes but the likelihood of sides are way higher, look up hrt femboy guides on taking estrogen if you're serious, they take selective estrogen inhibitors to prevent growing breasts or getting watery semen.

how are so many guys okay with going bald
i dont get it

>>18308990
Pic related is retarded and wrong

>>18309118
People who never had decent looking hair to begin with don’t really care that much when it starts to go. Also, many people don’t even care about their looks that much.

>>18309118
A lot of men get shamed into never seeking out treatment, it's vanity and vanity is for women, many women will straight up lie to your face that you're receding, they either don't care or can't see the signs.

would you guys start with Fin, Min, or Ketoconazole? from what i gather, all 3 are situations where once you start taking/using them, you have to stick with them forever or your hair will start falling out. my hairline is thinning/receding but the rest seems to be doing alright.

>>18309118
A lot of guys look good with a slightly receded hairline and people just cope that it'll stop before it gets too bad.

Then before they realise it, its fucked

>>18309171
Always fin. No treatment besides a DHT blocker will actually treat male pattern baldness.

>>18309186
I watched Baldcafe's compilation of balding men shaving their heads for the first time and some of these guys had reached unreal levels of cope before being basically forced to shave it by their families.
Other guys probably could have gotten regrowth with treatment but if you look good with the shaved head (a lot of them did, or were men in their 40s and 50s so who gives a fuck) and it makes you happy, good for you imo.

>>18309016
>they take selective estrogen inhibitors to prevent growing breasts or getting watery semen.
I think very few people actually do this longterm honestly, it is very hard to find info from people who have been on them for like 5+ years. It's more of a hypothetical and it seems most just end up doing regular hrt while avoiding gaining weight.

>>18309119
Please feel free to prove it wrong. I'll happily concede.

>>18309271
Nta, but you’re right. Long term use of SERMs is bad. Tamoxifen for example is prescribed to women with hormone-dependent breast cancer after they’re done with chemo or surgery, and it’s usually recommended they take it for 5 years, but I’ve personally seen a lot of women give it up within the first year.

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>>18309287
>Please feel free to prove it wrong. I'll happily concede.
Perfecthairhealth sucks donkey balls and Rob English is a dumbass who probably doesn’t even have AGA.

>>18309289
not to mention there isn't really good evidence for its actual use for breast blocking, anecdotally it seems like it's random whether you actually get less breast growth and "none at all" is very rare. i believe most of the hrt drugs already carry liver risks and you'd be adding one more thing to take indefinitely

a lot of mtfs get very poor breast growth anyway and nobody knows for sure why aside from genetic potential and weight

>>18309299
I don't care abut your tribal conflict

I just want to see effective data so put out or shut the fuck up

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Diffuse thinnoomer @ 29
Bit the bullet and ordered some topical fin and min w/ RA after coping about it just being the result of rapid weight loss

Going to try it for a few months to see if I get any sides and then swap to oral fin but stay on topical min (and introduce Microneedling at that point since i don't want to blow money on it if I get any side effects and take the baldly/thinning pill) then wait a year and a bit to see what happens

My hair isn't too bad atm I have people I know say "N-No you're hair's fine" but I can see after showers and harsh lighting that it's a fuck load thinner than the rest of my 20's (along with just looking at various hairs during the daily shed) so hopefully worst casinerio I just somewhat preserve what I've still and ride out my 30's as much as possible before packing it in

Not going to pretend I'm not assblasted about it though since both my Grandad's didn't loose theirs until the 50's and my dad/uncles all have rock solid hair at 50+

>>18308990
>>18309287
>perfect hair health
lol not gonna buy your $300 membership, shill

>>18309335
>I just want to see effective data
You shall begin by posting some yourself instead of a baseless infograph, kek.

>>18309431
Same.
Dad has thick, dark hair at 60, and all I got were my mother's side bald serf genetics.

>>18309118
Because they have a life outside of constant self reflection and self consciousness

>>18310029
It only takes 1 person anywhere in your lineage to have MPB to forever taint your bloodline. That's why I never put any stake in relatives born this century.

>>18310060
meh
hair loss cured by 2040 at the latest

>>18310337
it's already cured unless they figure out the actual purpose of DHT by 2040

>>18308857
i respect that take. i just don't have the luxury of sharing it, because i'd rather die than go bald. lol

I went for the buzzcut pill and I'm not regreting it. Anyway, I noticed that my scalp is very dry. I ordered minoxidil that's supposed to come in the mail today. Since minox can't add to the dryness of my scalp, what can I do to moisterize it in an efficient way.
I got all kind of oils, I just don't really know how to build all that into a routine (wash->minox->moisterize. In which order, how often, etc...).
If if you got something else than oil to recommend, go ahead.

>>18309192
honestly wish i didn't find the whole bald + beard gym bro look so repulsive, would make life so much easier

>>18310405
well, I'll revise my take slightly
might consider ru58841 at up to 20mg per 1ml, but that is the max
sides seem to come in at doses higher than that

also I'm probably the only one here trying to recover scalp hair and grow beard, and been trying .25 microneedling on my beard and it is bad, it dries out my face like a motherfucker since I apply minox right after

might stop and only focus on the scalp

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Duta + spiro
Anyone tried it?
I think I have mature hair line but lately I noticed it started to fall more despite being on fin.
Pic related is exactly how my hair line think.

I've been taking fin for few months now.
While libido is low, I like how I can last longer during sex.
Anyone else the same?

>>18310847
>>18310847
nope, fin increased my libido if anything since it is anabolic

injured my lower back and that tanked my libido into the dirt for a month, though

think alfatradiol might actually be doing something

>>18310928
alfatradiol, stemoxydine, and spironolactone are 3 adjunct therapies I'm definitely interested in for the future

I started fin, when I was in 20s.
Still have my hair, my brothers are completely bald now and I'm the oldest.
Switched to duta recently, because I never saw any regrowth (I suspect I'm getting fake drug).
Supposedly duta does work, would I get better effect from fin?

>>18310998
no, duta is stronger than fin

>>18311018
Ok, would I expect hair regrowth after this time?

I don't care if RU is experimental anymore.

0.5mg dut + topical minoxidil for a year didn't do fucking SHIT. I've now regressed from a NW2 to 3.
I'm taking it and switching to oral minoxidil for a final hail mary.

>>18311019
Officially, you are usually told not to expect regrowth from finasteride or dutasteride, it's only a possibility. It's entirely possible for fin to freeze your hairline in time. It *might* be possible to get regrowth from dut, maybe it's worth a shot because it sounds like you tolerate fin and dut's sides are not really worse. But you should look into minoxidil, microneedling, etc. for regrowth.

>>18311059
>minoxidil, microneedling
Didn't do much for me.
low blood pressure from mino really fucked me up

>>18311035
At least you tried anon Good luck

>>18311035
>0.5mg dut + topical minoxidil for a year didn't do fucking SHIT. I've now regressed from a NW2 to 3.
That's literally impossible.

Well I managed to survive until my 30s with most of my hair. Now I don't care if I go bald at my mid 30s or 40s, I just wanted to make the most of my twinkish years

>>18311035
if you're in Europe you should try Fluridil (Eucapil) before you try ru58841

pretty much as effective but vastly better side effect profile, only shipped from the Czech Republic though and a bit expensive

>>18310998
Regrowth of your hairline or density on the scalp? You typically can't regrow your hairline once it's receded, at least not at all commonly. It might be possible with a higher dose of oral minoxidil but without a transplant it's unlikely. If you mean regrowing and improving density like a thinning bald spot then that's almost guaranteed with fin and dut, it just takes a while.

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Can't wait to see PFS deniers ITT squirm when the problem gets dealt with once and for all.

Tick tock, Americans ;)

>>18311157
>with fin and dut
What's better between those two regarding the density?

GT20029 bros... we're almost here.

>>18311373
Sorry, but just like your PFS-induced psychosis, this scenario is a figment of your imagination, retard-kun. Nobody is wasting their time going after an off-patent drug with a fantastic safety profile.

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>>18311445
Oh you'll see :)
I'd start getting comfortable with the idea of going bald if I was you because next year you won't have a choice.
Finasteride and Dutasteride will no longer be allowed to ruin young mens' lives, it's time to Make America Healthy Again.

>>18311373
>>18311474
Bro, your fucking president takes finasteride and he's the healthiest man to ever live. He even shills it to other men he talks to if he thinks they can be salvaged from the Norwood Reaper.

>>18311480
>>18311485
>b...b-but muh drumpf!!1
Daddy RFK Jr. will have the last say on everything health related, and the PFS Foundation have been in talks with him for a long time.

It's over, accept it.

I hope Bobby bans finasteride and minoxidil, and you stop coping and embrace your baldness, which is a completely natural part of masculinity. If you're a man, you're supposed to have a chrome dome, a beard, and lots of body hair.

>>18311407
Dut.

Not in the loop of this american clownshoes politics shit but is Trump banning finasteride? Kekaroo, americans truly can't enjoy anything

>>18311528
Why do people keep spamming this?
Where did trump say he's banning hrt?
How did you come to the conclusion that this somehow affects 5ar inhibitors?

>>18311529
I heard he's banning it

>>18311518
sounds gay, only faggots like that look

>>18311518
>>18311507
dht simps embracing their homosexuality it seems

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>so used to taking my fin and min I forgot if I did it today
hate when that happens

>just found out I'm anemic and it's almost severe
gonna be funny if all these years my fight against hairloss wasn't genetic after all

>>18311824
no reason it can't be comorbid. im sure that it wasnt helping your hair either though

>>18311824
>>18311879
If anything malnutrition in a male would be protective against pattern hairloss because you'd be low T.

>>18311934
i'm sure extreme malnutrition will result in hair falling out, your body would be wasting nutrition on something not essential to keeping your body alive

>>18301058
Is it safe to orally consume topical min with these excipients? In 0.1mL/day dose
>Propylene Glycol, Steareth-10, Castor Oil, Lactic Acid, Dexpanthenol, Alpha-Bisabolol, Alcohol, Purified Water.

>>18312097
have a masters in chemistry, won't kill you, probably not the best for your health if you keep it up over many years

I always had a bad hairline. So I took minoxidil for some time earlier this year. So basically what happened is that my dick stopped working and I had massive prostate pain at some point. It felt like I've been kicked in the balls, only that the pain was constant. The sex life with my girlfriend was nonexistant. The problems went away as soon as I stopped taking it. Are there any hair products that don't mess with my hormones?

>>18312179
Minoxidil? You mean finasteride right? First time shitposting on one of these threads I'm guessing lol

>>18312171
Thought so. Should've gotten stronger concentration so I could dilute it, it's a 2% solution and I about to dunk 1x5mG fin to make it 2mG min and 0.5mG fin per 0.1mL liquid.
I just learned of the excipients since information on this specific product is scarce...
Man I sure hope oral minoxidil is a thing in here soon.

>>18312179
Aww man to bad. I also take finasteride and in my case it has changed my life and it has made me a much better person, not only i got no side effects whatsoever but obviously it saved my hair and i look amazing, it made me feel so much better and much more confident as a person and since it stopped converting my testosterone to the trash hormone DHT now i have more testosterone which has improved my libido and energy and made me perform much better at the gym. Millions of people take the God gift pill finasteride and almost everyone has great results and improvements from it and its important that people know that. I am so grateful to finasteride and millions of people as well.

>>18304449
>Must be purely psychological

Nice gaslighting

>>18312329
Finasteride takes months to start working, your dick isn't going to break the first week, it's completely psychological.

>>18312340
ok tranny

>>18312179
>minoxidil
low effort bait

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>>18312352
>Took a blood test and my vitamin D levels were very low
>Lost a load of weight rapidly recently

Hmmmmm not going to hop on copium too hard but might go see a dermatologist to do a scalp biopsy
My thinning did just sort of rapidly occur within the last 2 months
Could also be it just made an underlying MPB come on quicker

>>18312468
I have this.
Each autumn I shed a lot of hair.

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any advice on hairstyles that work with some receding? im on fin and minox and it seems to be working for regrowth, but my hair is still very flat and like zero volume on the top of my head. i dont think its bad enough yet to warrant a buzzcut. dont really care if it’s visible as long as it looks good

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>>18312502
Choose ur destiny

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Is there any coming back from this

>>18312602
fin and min would grow that shit back in 2-3 years

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Why do normies always say hair transplant when it’s clearly meds? I had the exact same hairloss pattern and recovered just the same on dut and oral min.

>>18312617
They know about hair plugs but almost nobody knows about hair loss meds.

is it true that fin and min keep giving you gains years into starting them if you are a responder?

considering how long hair growth cycles are, it kinda makes sense to me
it doesn't make sense that if someone responds, they see gains within a year and then that's what you have

>>18312617
>oh wow impressive
>realize it's all lighting
The time I spent with photography as a hobby never stops paying off.

>>18312760
you can't fake camera angles and lighting IRL

A protip for anyone who's not doing the shave: make sure you get a handheld mirror and look at the back. I find it also helps to film my head 360 degrees so I can make sure I'm good from all angles.
Nothing worse than looking at a photo you're in and noticing your gaping bald spot when you thought you'd hid your balding pretty well.

>>18312617
I don't get it, his hair just looks greasier and shorter in the before pic.

>>18312837
lol you're blind and delusional
obvious thinning and recession in the corners of his temples

>>18312754
Generally you'll be limited to whatever dormant/miniaturized hair you still have. That usually means you won't progress further than the hairline you had in your teens, but miracles happen with fin/min and some people go beyond that. Happens with oral min mostly.

>>18312617
I have the same hair line on the left.
Should I start duta?

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I've heard that coffee cause hair loss.
Is this true?

>>18312468
>My thinning did just sort of rapidly occur within the last 2 months
or you just think it did, but it's been going on for months and now you went through a shed that got rid of the last amount of hair that kept up the illusion of the volume and density you're used to seeing
happened to me

>>18312329
nice erectile dysfunction, bro

>>18312927
I have ED from taking finasteride, so thanks I guess

>>18313007
>start duta
>get morning wood back

what do you guys think is the most promising natural treatment that still needs some more research to iron out evidence?

obviously nothing can come close to fin/min but certain things may have benefits as adjunct therapies

you have almost worthless shit like saw palmetto but there's some decent stuff on topical caffeine and maybe topical melatonin among a few others

>>18313058
No natural treatment will stop you from balding period. Hell, fin and min don't even always work as it is.

>>18312617
>Why do normies always say hair transplant when it’s clearly meds?
Because meds don't even work half the time and even if they do their effects vary from person to person, plugs are a more reasonable explanation if a balding guy suddenly recovers his hairline. On top of that when you get a hair transplant they put you on finasteride anyway
>I had the exact same hairloss pattern and recovered just the same on dut and oral min.
Wow so one single case (yourself) has made you an expert, impressive!

>>18312905
No food or drink will cause hairloss unless you have some weird allergy to it.
Truth is you either have good genetics or you dont, I've seen homeless people who have perfect hairlines despite being like 60 years old and did nothing but smoke crack and eat goyslop for 30 years

>>18313177
Shut up, baldie.

can you get duta in europe outside of the grey market?

>>18312905
>I've heard that coffee cause hair loss.
It's not going to directly cause hair loss. Caffeine does inhibit prolidase, which is required for collagen synthesis though.
Worst coffee can do is dehydrate you and make you eat less, which has downstream effects.
Also the other anon is right, unless you have some straight up nutritional deficiencies, any gains you get from proper nutrition (which you should still pursue!) are mogged into oblivion by the damage that DHT does.

>>18313192
Nicotine prevents the conversion of testosterone into dht

>>18313422
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3200111/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7962322/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3711333/

>>18302775
I didn't bother buying. It feels like I will have the same problem of the liquid being soaked by my hairs. I now just use the dripper itself to smear the liquid on my scalp and then use a hair blower to dry everything up.

>>18313301
sure, if you have a prescription

>>18313627
Don't do that. It takes like 4 hours for minoxidil to absorbed in the scalp

>>18313422
So? I said: NO FOOD OR DRINK WILL CAUSE HAIRLOSS. Not that 'NO FOOD OR DRINK WILL HAVE A 'EFFECT' ON HAIRLOSS' Learn to read please

I've been at Norwood 2 since forever but it's starting to bother me, maybe because it's moving back or because I've seen people talk about hairloss more

Anything I can do about it without visiting a doctor?

>>18314053
You can get a prescription for finasteride or dutasteride online without ever talking to a doctor with a hair loss telehealth service like keeps or it's equivalent in countries outside of the US. Topical Minoxidil is over the counter in North America and can be taken orally for the same effect as the prescription oral minoxidil pills, and way cheaper. You can do all of these things with grey/black market vendors as well but it's so simple to get these things legally if you live in most european countries and north america.

>>18314066
Thanks. Anything else? Is needling worth it or placebo?

>>18314093
Not needed at all if you just want to maintain what you have and are not diffuse thinning. You only really need finasteride and you can forget about the rest of the rabbit hole at a norwood 2

>>18314096
>finasteride
Alright! Excuse me but at what content though?

>>18314115
1mg per day. To save money opt for the 5mg pill and cut into 4ths

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>Recently realized I've been diffuse thinning for a while now
>Hairline is still completely rock solid (have markers on my head like a scar at my hairline and even still have my temple hairs that all line up with my 18 y/o hairline but my density is fucked in harsh lighting or wet hair)

Shit sucks man, means that it's been happening for fucking ages and I've only just noticed it within the last 6 months

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Can't tell if balding or just mature hair line anymore.
I've started duta just in case.
Will these are get any improvement?

>>18314197
It’s alright, anon. Start with fin and it’ll save you. Trust.

>>18314217
Balding but you caught it early. Dut will give you back your nw1 hairline in 12 months.

>>18314224
Thanks.
I really hope so, I thought you don't get bald after 35.
I just noticed because I used to style my hair to the side, so that temples would be covered.
But last week I switched to combing all back and people commented how my hair is receding and got me into balding fear.

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>>18314228
You can get bald at any age if you have the genetic predisposition. It’s normal. Your hairline is solid for a 35 year old, and I wouldn’t look at you and think that guy is receding. Maybe your hair just doesn’t relax or lay naturally when it’s combed back.

>>18314233
Don't know man.
Maybe I just have big weird shaped head.

>>18314217
No such thing as a "Mature hairline". Unless you were born with that hairline then you had to begin balding to get to where you are now.

>>18314235
>Unless you were born with that hairline
Let me check my photos as kid

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>>18314235
A juvenile hairline typically takes a round shape that does not make a sharp angle near the temple region. Pic related is an example of someone with a juvenile/feminine hairline, while someone like Sam Elliott is an example of a mature hairline.

>>18314319
Stop using Hollywood as examples. Nothing you see is real

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>>18309118
Between going bald and higher chances to get ED and cancer I'm forced to choose the former. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

>>18301058
>The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally
source for this claim?

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>>18314535
you can read the inactive ingredients yourself, PG, alcohol and water.

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What's your stack to keep you hair?

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2.5 months on fin and I think 1.5 years on topical min. Diffuse thinning.
After getting on fin I noticed the edges of my widow's peak getting lower really fast (I always had the heart shape so I don't care too much) but I haven't noticed comparable gains in thickness yet. Actually, somehow my hair has gotten thin everywhere except a strip just a but lower than where the crown ends.It's shaped like I'm wearing a laurel and everywhere besides that place is thinner (color diff when my buzzcut grows a bit, sideburns never fill up, sides also take too long to stop looking like a failed fade, etc). Lately the top feels extra thin too. Am I just responding really well to fin (hence the hairline getting new hair really fast) so I'm rushing through sheds? Is the fin lowering the hairline but the thinness is caused by something else? I know it's pretty early to get tangible results but it seems like a bizarre pattern. Also have no sides from fin besides my smell changing.

>>18314365
It’s only a visual example

>>18314744
If your hair is thinning in areas not typical to the standard pattern for baldness then its probably not MPB (back of head, sides of head). How are your eyebrows or beard hair doing? All of this to say you could have MPB alongside something else causing the hairloss.

been taking saw palmetto as a safe alternative to fin and now I wanna hop on fin. Would it make sense to keep taking sp everyday while taking fin like 3-4 times a week?

>>18314848
I always had thick eyebrows and I haven't noticed any significant changes, however considering I don't actively monitor them, anything minor might have gone unnoticed. My facial hair isn't that thick but it isn't a patchy disaster either. Considering my derm has seen my bloodwork before, what else could it be that he hasn't noticed?

>>18315001
Thyroid problems, fungal infection on the scalp, autoimmune disorder

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What can I do to fix "boxy" hair line?

How do y'all counteract the sexual side effects of Fin/Dut?

Does zinc work?

>>18315025
I used to check my thyroid every couple of years but it's been a while, although I always came out clean so I doubt it.
I forgot to mention my derm gave me Dercos (green) which I use 3 times/week, I think that crosses out the infection theory.
Wouldn't an auotimmune disorder show up in routine bloodwork? If not, what should I look into?

>>18315063
Not necessarily. You should bring up the hair loss as a possible symptom and have a GP test for a thyroid issue and autoimmune disorder since there are more tests than routine blood work required to diagnose one. After that bring the diagnosis or lack thereof to the derm.

How bad duta shedding?
And when to get visible results that DHT blockers work and not bogus drug?

>>18314040
The minoxidil itself cannot be dried. The liquid's purpose is to just let you easily spread the minoxidil active ingredient. Once it is spread, you can just dry it out. The minoxidil itself will stay on your skin.

>>18315059
That's hair loss from the temples and you fix it with fin to stop further loss and min to regrow your temples.

>>18315134
I've been on fin for 3 years now.

>>18315116
You can’t blow-dry topical minoxidil because the carriers help your skin absorb it. You might as well not apply it at all if you’re gonna end up evaporating it right after.

>>18301057
Bought 10g of Dutasteride and 10g of Ru58841 powder. Making my own bioavailable oral solution I will get 2.5mg+ of Dut easily that will last me years for like 80usd. Also started topical minox. We just waiting for the package to arrive from china so we can start the gigastack.

80% reduction in scalp DHT with 2.5mg DUT + whatever Ru58841 blocks + minoxidil.

>>18313301
Dokteronline and you can basically order as many times as you want, the more you buy the cheaper it is. Just write you have bph and you will contact your doctor yourself.
You can get 60*5 pills and pay with Klarna or whatever. I am doing >>18315217 this now though.

>>18314994
Finasteride inhibits 70% of systemic DHT by inhibiting isoform II of 5AR. Per >>18307727, Saw Palmetto inhibits I and II, but is substantially weaker.
MAYBE Saw Palmetto with fin gets you some marginal increase in DHT reduction. If you are going to go that route, look into topical DHT blocking serums that have a variety of ingredients in addition to SP.

>>18315289 (Me)
>MAYBE Saw Palmetto with fin gets you some marginal increase in DHT reduction.
Marginal increase over fin by itself. Finasteride alone blows saw palmetto alone out of the water.

>>18315289
>>18315291
I'm aware that sp is much weaker than fin, but I thought that by taking sp daily and fin only a couple of times a week I could mitigate the risk of side effects while also increasingly blocking dht.
Anyway I just found out that the fin website I was looking to shop at is run by a scammer and I'd have to get a prescription which takes ages so fuck that idea ig.
I might as well buy topical fin which seems to be accessible on some spanish pharmacy. Kinda sucks to use that on top of min though, I hope it won't dry my hair out.

>>18315295
not him but you're getting sides from the dht reduction, not from fin itself
and if you're so sensitive to dht levels, your hair is most likely too
which means that saw palmetto might just serve as an opening for the hair loss to progress, just slower

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Anyone ever thought about taking topical dut orally like some of you do with topical minoxidil?
Found a place in Europe that sells topical dut prescription free in 0.025%, 0.05% and 0.1% concentration.
Would it be safe and effective to drink a drop or two per day?

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Starting my basic hairloss stack today (just topicals for the first 3 months to check for sides but if I don't have sides gonna switch to oral fin when the topical runs out)

Kinda funny because before I started I decided to buzzcut down my hair in case it doesn't work.
I'm diffuse thinning but it's not really noticeable if there's not any downlighting so when I was buzzing down at my mates place I still had people claiming that I was just being paranoid and not balding but that's just normiegroids not knowing what to look for really

Hopefully means that if all it does is keep my shit mostly intact I can just have thin hair with good coverage for the next decade or so and style it as such
Not too worried if I loose my hair since I look fine with the buzzcut for now but it'd obviously nice to have the option to keep it

I'd rather fight and loose knowing I did what I could instead of letting the Norwood Reaper roll up and take it from me in my early 30's

>>18315508
Topical fin won't really show you how prone you are to oral fin.
I'd just start out with just oral fin instead and after a few months add topical min.
Or just take everything at once and dgaf.

>>18315506
It's just oral dut with extra steps lol.

>>18315494
>which means that saw palmetto might just serve as an opening for the hair loss to progress, just slower
wait, sp would make my hair loss worse? I'm not sure what you mean

>>18315514
If so then I'm surprised I've never heard of people doing it. Seems way cheaper than pills.

>>18315517
if your hair is sensitive to dht fluctuations, then taking fin for example 3 times a week and filling the holes in with saw palmetto might not be enough to stop hair loss 100%, so you would get a 90% efficacy for example, so your hair loss would progress at a snail's pace
everyone's balding is different and everyone responds differently to the same doses of fin though

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Should I add something to oral duta?
I couldn't tolerate mino's side effect.
What about spiro?

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How to get rid of low mode and low energy with DHT blockers?

>>18315691
What makes you certain that it’s the DHT blockers? If you’re certain that it’s fin/dut then perhaps you should try working on your lifestyle, eat healthy and clean up your diet, get enough sleep, stop watching porn and doom scrolling and maybe work on increasing your testosterone to make up for the blocked DHT. If it’s not working despite all that then just stop taking fin/dut.

>>18315722
Because when I'm off it I get better.
I tried all the things you mentioned.
When of the better effect of DHT blockers I no longer feel like I want to doom scroll when I'm on it.
T levels are already in upper high, plenty of vit D I guess.
> stop taking fin/dut.
when stop taking it my hair start sheding like crazy, and get back acne.
Some people self medicated with SSRI + DHT blockers, but I don't want to do that.

>>18315723
Have you tried lowering your dose or using it topically?

>>18315691
Get hormone levels checked. Sounds like you could be towing the line of high estrogen. If your levels are balanced and in the normal range then you are experiencing placebo. There is no other cause of depression from DHT blockers than hormonal level imbalance.

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Remember to shower regularly and keep your scalp moisturized, chooms.

>>18315961
>dht in sweat
>dht in sebum

is this why men lose their hair after getting into weight lifting?

>>18315969
Its because they take TRT

>>18315921
>are experiencing placebo
well fuck.
Even my brain is against me
>>18315733
How topically?
FDA hasn't approved it topically.

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starting to feel like a diet heavy in meat will fuck your hair up long-term

especially that low quality supermarket meat because they just pump it full of growth hormones, on top of lots of meat raising DHT

another thing I noticed is I tend to break out in acne if I eat too much meat, even if I air fry it

>>18316192
Where to get food rich in zinc?

>>18316197
I eat a specialty product called ground tigernuts


if you can find it it's pretty lit, tons of vit E and Zinc, both great for hair

>>18316165
Hims, Keeps or DIY. Topical doesn't work for everyone but it's worth a shot.

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Glad I clocked on that I wasn't as horny as I used to be before starting fin

If I hadn't I would be omega paranoid that the fin was fucking with my balls but I think it's just cause I'm older now

Still can get hard fine and the coom isn't watery like a lot of people claim theirs gets but I don't wake up with morning wood like I used to

>>18315506
Are the ingredients foodsafe? All of them?
If this stuff works topically anyway, why eat it? People eat topical min because 60% of men are nonresponders to it due to low enzyme levels in the scalp that aren't low in the liver.

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>>18316230
I wake up with morning wood at 28 on dutasteride but not every single morning, maybe once every couple of days when I sleep well or if I’m thinking about sex the day before. The only problem for me however is not watery semen or low volume, but I can't seem to shoot far when I'm not very aroused and instead my peepee just weeps cum. I don't know if it's dutasteride or age but either way it doesn't bother me.

>>18316222
topical is dangerous, for pregnant women.
That's why duta is encapsuled.

>>18316243
that's age.

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>Shave my head because the top is thinning like mad
>Hair regrows over the past couple of months
>The density on my sides is looking as bad as the top of my scalp which is why I shaved to begin with

What the fuck am I going to be a Norwood 9 or some shit?

>>18316238
I can't find a full ingredients list.
I drink topical min because tablets are impossible to get where I am. Dut pills are also impossible to get.

>>18301057
What can I expect switching from topical to oral min? Want to switch because of the ease of oral and no more greasy hair. Been on topical for 1.5 years

>>18316759
Forgot to add I got nearly full regrowth where I was thinning on the crown, but also started fin at the same time so I have no idea how well I respond to topical min. Hypothetically if all of that regrowth was from min could I lose a lot of ground by switching?

>>18316443
look into alopecia areata (diffuse pattern)

getting a hairtranny soon

>>18316878
Turkey or your home country?

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Is it worth it to transplant hair on my temples?
I've got on fin a little late, and while It stopped balding, and even the hair got thicker.
It didn't come back in those areas.
Will it look bad?

>>18316878
I'm getting one next year during the fall.

Not sure I want to take the Turkeypill when it feels like surgeons in the states (Florida/California) are so skilled and you get a better line of communication.

Also, I'm taking the FUT pill. FUE only for beards and only if I really need it down the line. Planning multiple HT's and planning to conserve as many grafts as possible for a long-term solution. Hopefully can inquire about the surgeon using verteporfin, too.

>>18316893
Depends just how much needs to be filled in. If it's not a norwood 3+ personally I wouldn't because I can spot a transplant a mile away at the hairline. They RARELY look natural.

>>18316882
Home cuntry
Price is about the same

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>>18316901
Well I look like the top images.

>>18316901
feels good having a nw2 hairline and not needing to touch it whatsoever for my hair transplant

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What's your hair care routine to minimize the risk of more hair loss?
Any supplements?
Does yoga/meditation and other stress relief help?

my scalp is dry as fuck
I do min 2x/day

what the fuck do I do lol, so much shit I do dries it out, I only do a hydrating conditioner at night but it's clearly not enough

should I wait like 2 hours then apply a serum after minox or apply it directly before minox? I dunno man

>>18317024
dry scalp as man is rare.
Maybe strong shampoo or too frequent?
There's something called oil replacement from dove or pantene

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My hairline started receding when I was 19 so I went on fin for about 6 months when I turned 20, now I'm 23 and my hairline seems to recede again. FUCK THIS SHIT. I thought I was just overreacting and my hairline was maturing but nope. I also had some growth 3 months into fin, so I guess maturing hairline wouldn't be a possibility.

What I'm trying to ask, is it possible to be off fin for almost 3 years without receding but suddenly going into recession mode again? Or could it be solely stress/diet related?

>>18317096
Yes.
I got into fin when I was 23, it stopped hair loss.
I stopped taking it 2 years ago, and had bad period with very stressful and shitty diet.
And now I started shedding hair.
I started duta few weeks ago, I've yet to see any results, or side effect.

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>>18310617
I'm about to go for it too; my hairline is strelok-tier widows peak but I'm thinking about going on fin to maintain that

>>18317147
Might as well
You can at least maintain it and grow it long

Receding looks better than thinning IMO but Thinning you can do more to hide it while receding has you more just rocking a Norwood Embrace

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I used to have hair exactly like this (same style, makeup etc) and in like 2 years I'm going to look like Trevor from GTA V.

It's actually so much worse to bald as a goth guy than a normal dude. You have no fucking idea of the agony. It is incomprehensible to normalfags.

>>18317024
a silicone conditioner will fuck your hair up even worse, especially if it gets on your scalp even in small doses
I use heavily hydrating water/milk based conditioners and hair masks, so that when I put min on, the scalp and hair are still somewhat wet

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Is uneven hairline balding?
My left temple is receding while the right looks mature.
Isn't balding supposed to be symmetrical?

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>>18317390
Not really. It’s more common for the right temple to start receding, but it can also start with the left temple. It’s more obvious when you have a widow’s peak.

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>>18317385
I use this one

how would you rate it?

>>18317477
So what?
Get into fin/duta?

>>18317385
I was using a shitty marc anthony shampoo basically daily for 1+ years until 3 weeks ago, had demithicone in it

probably need to give my hair time to come back

>>18317390
there are literally hundreds of different types of alopecia, a significant chunk of that belonging to androgenic alopecia alone

don't assume because you aren't classically norwooding that it's something else, diffuse AGA is less common but not rare

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>>18317485
If you care about maintaining what you have, then yes. My balding started at the right temple and the little triangle on the side was pretty much gone, and even dut didn't grow it back, it only maintained the hair on top. Two years on dut I added min and it came back.

>>18317516
min responders are so lucky

doing 0.05% tret with min for 4 months and still nothing lol

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So uhhhhhh when will I know if fin will blow my cock off?
I'm mostly kidding, i know the sides are rare but I've been on it for about a month and I'm still getting hard and shooting regular cum

Is it usually (I'm sure it's different for everyone) something you feel/recognize pretty quickly?

Not getting itchy or flakey skin from Min either which nis nice since so many people online complain about that

>>18317593
fin reaches steady state concentration in the blood within 2 weeks, any sides that would have happened would have done so within that timeframe

enjoy your hair gains and free +15% total testosterone on top of it

>>18317593
I noticed watery cum, low sex drive and slight ball discomfort around 2 weeks. That's when I stopped.

been on fin for a year now and had decent regrowth but suddenly started shedding way more for 3 weeks now, time to jump on dut or just a regular shed?
didn't really have a shed when I started fin but noticed increase hairfall before I started around this time of year, so maby it's seasonal?
still above baseline but kinda freaking out desu

>>18317719
Sheds are common on fin and you will probably continue to have them for years as part of the regrowth process. Some people get the "Dread shed" a month into treatment while others seem to get it right around the year mark.

>>18317728
Guess I'll just thug it out, not like I can do much else

>>18317738
Just never stop the medication during a shed. This is how stories about fin not working and making hair worse get circulated. It will ALWAYS grow back thicker than pre-shed.

>>18317719
Seasonal shed, people don't believe in it.
But it's real.

In a situation like >>18317719 would it be bad to switch at the time? Afaik there is no way to really differentiate between a shed or hairloss progressing?

>>18317384
Same bro, if fin/dut don't work I'm gonna consider hrt or something, can't rocck the bald masculine look at all...

>>18317760
Yes it would be bad. You need to taper off finasteride and introduce dut slowly or you will shed even more. Shedding and hair loss progression are not interchangeable while on fin, you would not be rapidly balding while on it, it's ALWAYS a shed. Stick with it and don't change anything or you actually will end up worse off.

>>18317764
>You need to taper off finasteride and introduce dut slowly or you will shed even more
why?
eventually it will come back.

>>18317764
don't people usually continue to take fin for a few months when switching anyway cause dut takes time to build up and reach its steady state?

>>18317779
Because his reason for switching is the fin shed?

>>18317781
Yes same for switching to oral minoxidil or topical fin from oral. You can easily go back to baseline or worse by dropping a drug or switching modality cold turkey

>>18317791
This is placebo.

>>18317719
worst case is probably getting dut shed on top of fin shed you are experiencing

>>18317808
Well documented actually. Go look at the thousands of anecdotes

>>18317820
So if I started duta/fin today, I'll be still losing hair until it reach steady state?

>>18317838
Yes. The half life of finasteride is 6 hours so it would be completely out of your system if you haven't been taking it long enough to build up

>>18317841
what about duta?

>>18317846
much longer half life, aprox. 5 weeks at steady state, rule of thumb: it takes 4-5 half lifes for a drug to reach its steady state

>>18317881
So duta is slow to work and slow to disappear?
Or both fin and duta show results at same time?

>>18317894
pretty much dut just takes much longer to reach its steady state (peak effectiveness)
results are usually reported several months into treatment for both fin and dut

>>18301057
Is it normal to start shedding early into taking fin? Today is exactly 2 weeks from when I started and taking fin and starting about a few days ago I’ve been seeing alot more hair shedding in the shower.

Shouldn't duta being stronger make sexual desire less?

>>18301058
Haha that photo is cute, I’m not balding so I didn’t read any of that.

>>18301058
>Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
>It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.
This is the most bro science post I've read today.
>The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe
No it's not.
use oral preparation.

>>18317951
Yes. Had a major shed 1 month in. Plenty of people do.

>>18318041
Which ingredient is not safe for consumption?

>>18317970
anything that raises your testosterone by 30% is going to make you more horny, not less

if your dick is not working on dut, 99.9% chance you psyched yourself out lmao

Having really assymetrical hairloss like >>18317390. Got blood work done (but didn't get T levels -_-) and everything looks good aside from a few (hopefully) unrelated levels.
Anyone go full bald right out the gate just to see if they looked good with it? Charging up the hair clippers rn and I'm really thinking about it. I'd rather have no hair than a shit hairline, and my head shape seems fine from what I can see. If it looks bad... it might be gg (but I'm hopeful)

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Any advice to take of my hair?
I started doing nopoo, and air dry it.
What about combing/brushing it?
I'm afraid I'd damage it that way and make more hair loss.
What about supplements? what do you take?
>started duta 3 months ago