its very true. fish oil might not be fattening but is toxic to mitochondria, causing toxic damage to dna and causes worse hair loss than sneeds due to being stronger ppar gamma agonist and atherogenic too. sat fat is obviously bad too, look up north karelia project. no such thing as "healthy" fat, monos seem to be least bad.

>>75218127
the feed they use for fish contains ethoxyquin that can pass the blood brain barrier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYf8cLUV5E&t=1s

>>75218127
ok so how do you recommend i get my omega 3 fatty acids?

>>75218214
You literally and unironically do not need ω3 and ω6 fatty acids in the dosages that are frequently parroted. Eat a few nuts and fish once or twice a week and you're set.

>>75218233
>fish once or twice a week and you're set.

If fish oil goes rancid how do I get none rancid fish? If it goes bad so quick, cod liver in a can or even cod at the store, how do I know it's fine?

>when they go rancid

>>75218212
>he doesn't get fish oil from wild caught fish
ngmi

>>75218127
The only study worth a damn said that around 25% were rancid when they hit the shelves, another 50% would go rancid while on the shelves, and the last would probably go rancid before you finished them.

I think nordic naturals was the only one that didn't regularly test this way and it's clear as day labeled. They also don't overstock, they flat out refuse to overstock stores because of this.
If you buy a nordic natural fish oil it's guaranteed with pretty good confidence it will last two years.
Stores that stock it are required to put it on sale if it gets within one year of the shelf life for this very purpose.
Just to ensure you'd probably use it within the next year for it goes rancid.

Some walmart brand though?
there is no fucking telling dude what hell that fish oil has been through.

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>>75218309
It's always rancid

>>75218293
1. Buy a jar of fish oil pills which are rarely rancid anyway despite what schizos on here think.

2. Cut one of them open on a cutting board. If it smells ok, taste it. If it's just fishy put the jar in the refrigerator just for peace of mind.

If it's bitter and nasty take it back I guess, hasn't happened to me.

>>75218320
>only study worth a damn
Well, the only one I saw, which was referenced by another paranoid schizophrenic here, had an attention grabbing title like "Fish oil is likely rancid", but that was mostly liquid, flavored shit that no one uses. Unflavored pills were only measurably oxidized 13% of the time.

Unprocessed fish spends years in ocean with 100% of its body, same ocean that is full of toxic ewaste, oil tankers that ack itselves for no reason, indian shit washed into it by the indian rivers where they shit when they aren't shitting on the street, etc etc, I'm pretty sure processed fish oil is healthiest type of oil there is.

>>75218293
cod liver oil tastes horrendous but is rarely rancid

>>75218345
It depends on the brand.
Gel capsule fish oil can still expire, regardless if the pill touches oxygen molecules or doesn't.
It could of started expiring before they even capsuled it, it could be that the molecular structure has become unstable.
Always depends on brand, this isn't some synthetic mineral supplement.
It's oil, squeezed from the body of a living thing, that may have been dead for too long before they even did that, the oil sat for too long, the capsule sat for too long in store, and now sat too long in your house.
Not to mention extreme temperature variations further damage the structure.
If it's kept at a stable 70 degrees it's not gonna go crazy, but one hot day to freezing refrigerator, back to hot day, etc during transport.
Let's just say treat fish oil supplements like you would actual fish.
If some paki jeet company is transporting it, fuck that shit it's bad.

>>75218366
>Let's just say treat fish oil supplements like you would actual fish.
Buy it, eat it.

The fucking standards people are asking for for health foods require abandoning civilization. If we don't trust ingredient labels and trust them not to let spoilable shit sit on the dock for a week in the hot sun, we have to resort to subsistence farming. Until then, I'll buy jars of fish oil pills.

>>75218389
>implying abandoning civilization would make it possible

Is fish oil good for you or not. I'm so sick of these threads. Also I'm tired of wasting money on it if it is. I take it because I like to think it's helping me

>>75218127
They're refined fats that's the issue. It's why raw honey is fine but pure sucrose is poison.

>>75218127
Oxidation is just one of many reasons to avoid seed oils. Also, seed oils oxidize into literal hydrogen peroxide. You should avoid pufas whether heated or solvent extracted or not.

>>75218410
My beef jerky provider sends me right wing conspiracy affirming studies and she sent something that said fish oil pills both rancid and unrancid have vastly inferior absorption compared to eating whole fish.

>>75218503
absoption of what, heavy metals?

>>75218151
>no such thing as healthy fats
You are retarded. Basically everything that isn't a muscle is made of lipids in your body. All of your cell membranes, most of your entire brain, its used as repair and transport in the blood, most of your skin, and your body literally uses the fat you eat to create these structures. Just get quality animal source non-rancid fats.

>>75218503
This is likely true. Human bodies never knew how to digest fruit juice until like 150 years. Digestion might be a learned evolutionary skill but anything refined isninferior to its whole food equivalent. This angers the "peer-review" prophets but it's true.

>>75218503
she's def selling fish jerky

>>75218525
Nah she isn’t actually but there are also stuff totally unrelated to diet

>>75218503
is this a bot? Or are you just some obessed schizo obsessed with talking about beef jerky

>>75218212
Good documentary...thanks for posting

>>75218127
>racid oil of any kind is unhealthy

Gee thank doc

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I still don't get how seed oil schizoing is so common when there are no human studies showing it's harmful but the opposite

>>75219490
retards will blame anything but their own parents for choosing to have children as a brother or sister to justify things like
>lowering testosterone levels
>not having sex
>being fucking ugly and impotent

>>75219490
there's alot of confusion around it but the pic in OP has it correct. it's only rancid seed oils that are harmful, which includes seed oils exposed to high temperatures which all of it is during processing, including all mcfried shit and "shelf stable" baked goods. why do you think that shit is shelf stable for months? bacteria/mold can't grow on it because it's inhospitable to life. its basically not food. eating the plain seed with oils intact is not harmful

>>75219583
all that is random noise as there is no proof that they actually are harmful

>>75218320
I've been taking fish oil for years and never had "rancid" ones.
You people are all retarded

>>75219596
hunter gatherers ate acorns and stuff but sneed oils are le bad, ok?

>>75219583
Olive oil is shelf stable too.

>>75219630
it degrades from heat and UV radiation like everything else

so again it's the same as fish oil, it depends entirely on when and how it was extracted, transported and stored etc

>>75219650
so keep it in cellar and stop whining, retard

>>75219662
I see time permanence is a difficult concept for you

>>75219490
have you been to a water park or the beach anon? Next time you go observe how relentlessly, defiantly fat everybody else is. Something is making them that way because this level of obesity is unprecedented. Then ask yourself if you still need muh studies and muh experts to tell you to stop eating shit that is ultra processed and didn’t exist until the modern era

>>75218214
first off you stop trusting doctors especially one name
>teicholz
then you get off social media that includes 4chud
the only good doctor is a disbarred one

>>75219662
couldn't keep it from getting baked in the sunlight the week prior during truck shipment across country faggot

>>75219650
all that meaningless screeching is plain stupid without proof that seed oils are bad, it's like guessing how they *could* be bad as long as the proof that they actually are doesn't exist

kinda like guessing that walking is bad because it stresses joints and heart and then jumping shark on that basis to tell people to not walk

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>>75219696
well muh studies and muh experts have long warned to not eat calorically dense foods to prevent obesity so

>>75219711
They have that fat rat PUFA study to fall back on which seems dubious and I would love to see proven to be bullshit. (I haven't taken a long look at it.) I think it's the only empirical evidence seed oils are less healthy than other fats.

>>75219696
NTA, but people are getting fat because of psychological factors, stress mainly. Diet is not very important, paradoxically.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/people-more-stressed-today-than-1990s

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>>75219746
same people ignoring a decades of human studies use a... one rat study

>>75219583
>bacteria/mold can't grow on it because it's inhospitable to life. its basically not food.
I agree, honey isn't food.

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nina can swallow my seed oil lmfao

>>75218547
we must be educated on the rising danger of right wing beef jerky suppliers.

>>75219708
here in white countries, our trucks aren't made from glass

She's omitting that fish oil also contains anti-inflammatory fatty acids, which is the whole reason fish oil is healthy; your body needs both inflammation and anti-inflammation for healthy growth and disposal.
Also you can just look at her face and realise she's ptobably lying to you about something. Sharpen your instincts, because pure logical reasoning is too time consuming and you won't have a chance to use it at every aspect of your life. That's how they get you...

>>75218127
>MUH OXIDATION
Jewish strawman. No, the problem with sneed oils isn't [pulls random shit out of asshole] contact with air
Sneed oils are bad because it's pure poison

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>>75219820
which study shows they are pure poison?

>>75218127
Is this not common sense? Fish oil is the same kind of fat as seed oils except that seeds are stable at room temperature whereas fish oil comes from fatty fish - by definition cold water fish - and oxidize at any temps above that at which the fish lives, which tend to be closer to freezing than to normal room temperature. If your fish oil wasn't kept refrigerated from the minute it left the water then it went rancid very quickly.

Your bottle of fish oil that was processed and shipped without any climate control, spent days if not weeks sitting on a truck in summer heat only to end up either sitting in a warehouse (also not climate controlled) or on a store shelf (even if air conditioned, at least 20 degrees warmer than the point at which fish oil begins to oxidize) is so far past rancid that there are no words to describe it.

>>75219820
>they're just BAD and any word that specifies why they're BAD is a jewish trick because i don't understand it!!!
"Poison" doesn't mean anything. Things are poisonous because of specific qualities they possess and polyunsaturated fats are "poisonous" because they're unstable and easily oxidize. I understand that you don't know what that word means but just because you don't understand oxidation does not mean that it's a jewish plot, you retarded nigger.

>>75218233
>>75218214
>You literally and unironically do not need ω3 and ω6 fatty acids in the dosages that are frequently parroted.
You don't need them period. There is no such thing as an "essential fatty acid". The only sources for omega fatty acids are seeds, nuts, and deep sea fish. None of these are natural human foods.

>>75218293
>If fish oil goes rancid how do I get none rancid fish?
You fish it up yourself and eat it within an hour or two of being caught. Otherwise, you don't.

>>75219757
Back then when they tested the new covid shot on 8 rats it was totally fine

Fucking retarded double moral

>>75220518
This is your mind on jewish propaganda

>>75219820
>Sneed oils are bad because it's pure poison
How come I'm not dead if I eat rice covered in sesame oil every day? For "pure poison" it's pretty shitty at poisoning me.

I can also lift much more than you.

>>75218127
Ooof
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/
>Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/
>Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38501177/
>The consumption of rapeseed oil instead of ghee caused improvements in liver steatosis and enzymes, glycaemic variables and anthropometric measurements among individuals with NAFLD.

>>75220763
There is literally no anti-fish oil propaganda. The only propaganda is the endless shilling from brainless npc niggers like you who have had fish oil marketed to them for decades and can't imagine that the covers of supermarket magazines could possibly have lied to them. You think the "jewish propaganda" is the people DISAGREEING with what the bottom of the barrel mass media is pushing? Are you retarded?

>>75220741
>b-b-b-but the VAX!!!
That isn't what happened they tested on humans, and even if it was that doesn't change the fact that you're changing he subject and choosing fucking rat evidence over hundreds of human trials spanning thousands of people showing seed oils have a beneficial effect compared to saturated fats.

>>75219696
>Something is making them that way
Yeah, eating too many calories and not moving enough

>>75219696
>Something is making them that way
Yeah man eating more calorie dense hyper palatable foods and moving less is going to make you fat. Unless you're implying if we made potato chips out of lard we would suddenly stop being fat, in which case you're fucking stupid.

>>75218127
If you aren't taking a fresh, high-quality fish oil pill then it will be rancid. And you can smell the rancidity. It smells fishy. If it smells fishy, don't eat it, simple as. My krill oil smells amazing and tastes amazing, and if it goes bad, I throw it in the garbage. Obviously if I were some rich cunt, I would just skip the middle-man and get some high-quality fresh krill.

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>>75220788
wow I wonder who grant funded this research! I bet I could never guess.

>>75220972
Hugh Grant

>>75220975
:O

>>75220921
>posts a screenshot of a fucking Newsweek article headline
How the fuck do you idiots put your shoes on every day.

>Clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccines were carried out before they were approved by governments and rolled-out to the public. Pfizer’s trial enrolled over 45,000 participants across the globe and Oxford recruited over 23,000 people in the UK, Brazil, and South Africa.

>>75220972
Uh the National Natural Science Foundation?

Not that it matter though, critique the studies methodology not who paid for it. Muh funding is lazy and shows you don't know what you're talking about. All studies need funding from somewhere.

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>>75220972
The stuff that makes up the majority of the diet of the morbidly obese is actually good for you :^)

>>75221015
i def pickled ur tits, so im rite

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>>75220518
>Your bottle of fish oil that was processed and shipped without any climate control, spent days if not weeks sitting on a truck in summer heat only to end up either sitting in a warehouse (also not climate controlled) or on a store shelf (even if air conditioned, at least 20 degrees warmer than the point at which fish oil begins to oxidize) is so far past rancid that there are no words to describe it.
The way you treat your fanciful leaps of cause and effect as fact is admirable, but only for its entertainment value. According to you fish oil simply MUST be perversely rancid by the time you ingest it, but
-I've cut open several pills from different bottles and they were completely fine in appearance, smell, and taste
-Someone did a study and found only 13% of unflavored pills weren't arbitrarily "fresh", that is, they were a little oxidized.

>>75220999
THE CLAIM: Multiple skeptics on social media have claimed the BA.5-specific booster may be unsafe because, before humans began receiving it, it was tested on only eight mice.

THE FACTS: The basic fact is actually true — the preliminary findings presented by Pfizer were based on tests in eight mice.
https://www.cbs17.com/community/health/covid-19/fact-check-were-new-covid-19-boosters-tested-in-just-8-mice-should-it-matter/

>>75220868
>you can smell the rancidity. It smells fishy. If it smells fishy, don't eat it, simple as.
sigh, if it doesn't smell fishy something is wrong. I can't speak for "omega 3 from fish oil" which is esterified, but regular trigyceride fish oil smells fishy. Like fresh fish, not rotten fish.

>>75218127
Taking cod liver oil is hits fish oil requirements and also vitamins D. Replace 2 supplements with one og food

>>75220625
Bro what are you smoking? Salmons are rich in omega-3s and river fish are pretty much the oldest human food in existence. When you look at tribes of people who naturally have good teeth despite a lack of access to modern dental treatments, it's people who are primarily eating fish and avoiding grain.

>>75221048
>Someone did a study
I notice that you didn't provide it for us.

>I've cut open several pills from different bottles and they were completely fine in appearance, smell, and taste
There is no way to tell just by smell or taste. Oxidation is not an on/off switch. An oil can be any degree of partially oxidized. This still affects your health but is impossible to tell by taste or smell.

>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/17/revealed-many-common-omega-3-fish-oil-supplements-are-rancid
>“Some fish oils will smell more than others, but if they don’t smell bad, that doesn’t tell you it’s not oxidised,” he said.

>>75221023
thank god you screenshotted a YouTube video graph to show me fat people eat tons of junk food. Doesn't change the fact that replacing saturated fat with PUFA improves health outcomes no matter how much is confuses your world view. Over consuming calories makes people fat.

https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/tests-find-many-popular-omega-3-supplements-are-rancid

>>75221111
>There is no way to tell just by smell or taste.
Oh really? There was no such thing as rancid before they had fucking mass spectrometry? Fuck off.
From your article "The recommended limit was set at 26, an arbitrary and unitless measure of oxidation, and is the most common and strictest worldwide benchmark for fish oil quality."

-Arbitrary
-Strictest

I currently suspect this "industry standard" was created to make some products appear healthier than others, and maybe they are, but nothing presented has said exceeding oxidation "26" is unhealthy.

>>75221091
>Salmons are rich in omega-3s
Where do salmon live?

>>75220798
This is your tranny pedo mind on propaganda.
No one cares about fish oil. Sane people are disagreeing that the only reason sneed oil is unhealthy is because it oxidizes, therefore everything that oxidizes is unhealthy and should be shunned like sneed oil.
An apple cut in half visibly oxidizes. Eat shit.

>>75221144
>he didn't read either my post or the article
See, this is what happens when you do the "4chan debate" thing and just skim for shit you can strawman: you miss the actual content of the post.

The point was that you can identify rancidity by taste or smell - once it's gotten extremely bad. But as you may have been told very recently,
>>75221111
>Oxidation is not an on/off switch.
there are degrees of rancidity and just because you can identify by smell when your fish oil is 90% rancid does not mean that you can identify by smell when it's 40% rancid. Regardless, I can see that the marketing and propaganda has fully rotted your brain and you've lost any capacity for rational thought. By all means, keep "supplementing" your "essential fatty acids"; I'm sure they're very good for you.

>>75221202
>tranny pedo mind on propaganda.
lmao i feel so bad for zoomers
their minds are literally rotted
this is why you dont let your children spend all their free time online

>>75221202
>No one cares about fish oil.
Child, this is a thread discussing fish oil. Did you even look at the OP before you opened it?

>>75221121
>Over consuming calories makes people fat.
If you say so Mox-mamm

>>75221169
Pretty much everywhere among the West coast and pacific you retard

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>>75221204
>I don't trust my eyes nose and tongue to tell me if something has gone bad, I trust an arbitrary industry standard that I have no way of measuring or assessing. However I ignore that the vast majority of fish oil pills meet even that standard and smugly insult people who take it for its health benefits. I'm a vegan twat and I'm tired all the time for no apparent reason.

>>75221398
>i have to buy these pills because doctor shekelstein told me they're healthy
good job, keep it up

>>75219650
what about canned cod liver in it's own oil?

>>75221398
>I'm a vegan twat and I'm tired all the time for no apparent reason.
It's so sad to see you people reduced to this. You have no argument, you have no rebuttal, and all you can do it pretend that I didn't fall for the same scam that you did, I must be a vegan. At no point in this thread have I said anything to suggest that I'm a vegan and I'm certainly not. I eat lots of animal foods but fish oil pills are not one of them.

It's a simple fact that foods can spoil enough to harm you even if they're not spoiled enough to have noticeably rotten tastes or odors. I'm sorry that this makes you so angry but seething over the facts won't change them.

>>75221331
And how long have humans inhabited those regions? Follow up question: how long have humans existed? Put the two together and you might just figure something out.

>>75221437
Are you doing your own double blind studies for everything you put in your body, hypocrite?

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>>75221467
>It's a simple fact that foods can spoil enough to harm you even if they're not spoiled enough to have noticeably rotten tastes or odors. I'm sorry that this makes you so angry but seething over the facts won't change them.
When you buy a "fresh" fish what do you do to test its freshenss, since you don't trust your eyes, nose, and tongue to tell how fresh it is? They literally could have left it in a hubcap full of pondwater infested with micro and macroorganisms and human waste for 36 hours before rinsing it off in dog piss and putting it in a plastic bag for you? Fucking idiot.

>>75221470
I eat real, fresh foods that don't go rancid at the drop of a hat, not handfuls of pills and supplements.

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>>75221485
>muh fish doesn't oxidize as fast as oil taken from wild fish sealed in gelatin so oxygen can't even get to it to react with it, hence the term oxidation. that's right, i'm a moron.

>>75221484
>he thinks I eat fish
Son, there are no clean fish anymore. The oceans are filthy and you're retarded if you eat any kind of fish.

Today I had a beef tenderloin for lunch and I know that it's fresh because I bought it a couple days ago from a local farmer I know and trust and because natural human foods like meat and fruit have a variety of ways to judge freshness aside from taste and smell. I'm telling you that you have no way to know if your pills full of mystery oil have gone rancid and your response is
>ok but then how can you know if that apple you're eating is fresh or not???
You can't be this retarded.

>>75221496
see
>>75221507
>he thinks I eat fish

Fatty fish absolutely oxidizes just as quickly as your shitty little pills which is why you should never eat it. The literal only time it's a good idea to eat fatty fish is if you're eating it raw less than an hour after you fished it out of the ocean. You'd know this if you'd read the thread:
>>75220625
>You fish it up yourself and eat it within an hour or two of being caught. Otherwise, you don't.

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>>75221519
>buh buh it's not just fish oil it's all fish
Thank you, will continue to ingest fish oil pills, yum yum.

>>75221531
>buh buh it's not just fish oil it's all fish
How are we this deep in the thread and you don't understand the basics of what we're discussing? Did you even read the OP? Look at the pic again.
>fish oils are also long-chain, easily oxidized fatty acids
Fish oils are bad period, regardless of whether they're in a pill or not.

Fish oil is bad because of the type of fat it is: polyunsaturated fat, the same type of fat found in seed oils, which is mainly bad for you because of how unstable it is and how easily it oxidizes. Oxidized fat has a wide variety of negative effects in the body if you consume it. All fatty fish contain this fat. It's bad when you extract it and put it in a pill but it's not any different when it stays in the fish. It doesn't change composition just because it gets processed into pill form.

As always, the details of nutrition are a bit too complex for midwits to grasp. It's fine. Keep buying your little pills.

>>75219696
>Something is making them that way
yeah, calories

>>75221579
and that’s why cultures that eat a lot of fish are so unhealthy, oh wait

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>>75221579
>how are we this deep in the thread and you don't understand the basics of what we're discussing?
>Fish oils are bad period, regardless of whether they're in a pill or not.
I think it's perfectly clear to anyone of IQ 100, but you've made the argument against fish oil an argument against fish, after I demonstrated that the latter isn't safer than the former. Whilst believing you were evading one argument you were trapped by another, because no one except schizo propagandists believe fish are bad for you. Have a nice day.

>>75221601
>ou've made the argument against fish oil an argument against fish, after I demonstrated that the latter isn't safer than the former.
Child, is fish oil is bad then the fish that contain that oil are also bad. I can't make it any simpler than that.

>argumentum ad populum
Most people think that "whole grains" are one of the healthiest things you can eat. Appealing to the majority, especially in an area so rife with propaganda as nutrition, is a wonderful way to end up poisoning yourself.


>>75221590
You can easily verify this yourself if you want (you won't) but safe, clean bodies of water no longer exist. Every fish from every ocean or river on the planet is full of literally dozens of various toxic chemicals. Heavy metals, herbicides, pesticides, petrochemicals, Indian feces, the list goes on. You cannot get clean food from the water, not anymore.

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>>75218127
>eat intuitively and overall healthy food
>feel fine
>get tested
>tests come back fine
>continue doing what i want

everyone is different. just dont be a retard and get a blood test like once a year to check yourself

>>75219546
some of those things are environmental and considering we're exposed to so much fake synthetic chemicals and processed foods, it's no surprise. Most people aren't inbred. it could be happing naturally, but it's worth a shot to fix your diet and try exercise.

>>75221583
carbs.

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>>75221744
>don't eat food child, pray for magic sustenance from heaven on high
We make do down here.

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Ketolards seem stuck on RANCID OXIDATION so much they don't even care there are no human studies showing seed oils are toxic like they believe.

But just occurred to me, is there even any proof they are rancid oxidized? Just because some jewess on Twitter says so might not make it so u know

>>75219696
usually when i go to the beach everyone is hot and the dudes are all peeled. only exception is parents and browns

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>>75219696
>All these retarded CICOfags confidently rebuking this self-evidently correct comment.

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>>75219711
The burden of proof is on seed oil companies to prove that they aren't harmful. We, as consumers, don't need to "prove" that highly processed seed slop that did not exist until 50 years ago is unhealthy. If you introduce a weird, unnatural "food" into the food supply, it's on you to prove that it isn't harmful, faggot. Otherwise fuck yourself, shill; I will not be eating the seed oil slop.

>>75220518
>"Poison" doesn't mean anything.
Go drink some cyanide then, since "poison" doesn't mean anything. And therefore using your own ridiculous mental gymnastics, cyanide won't kill you. Fucking retard.

>>75221065
>Like fresh fish, not rotten fish.
Fine, but I associate fishy smell with tlrancis fish, because it's all Inever encountered growing up. And I doubt I'm rhe only one in that boat. My point is, you can clearly tell when fish oil is rancid from smell alone.

>>75222287
nta but i posted the cat pictures itt (obviously very high intelligence) and i've had over 3.5g fish oil a day for the last six months. if you ate fish oil you would get it too.

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>>75221269
Only a brainwashed tranny pedo faggot would try as hard as you are to miss that anon's point. Pretending that rancidity is the reason seed oils are bad for you is deflection from the fact that seed oils are objectively not food; they are fucking poison. Everyone who's thought about it for more than 3 seconds and isn't heavily brainwashed knows this. So you're either clinically retarded or you're pretending to be.

>>75221962
voluntary blood tests are $2500 in Canada

>>75218127
They're the same thing as seed oils, omega 3 and omega 6 are the PUFAs they're saying oxidize. It's fad diet bullshit anyway. You're supposed to get fishy burps otherwise the chinks that made your capsules put plant/seed oil or gutter oil in them. Counterfeit supplements are such a massive problem now you shouldn't even bother with fish oil or anything you don't really need, just eat fish. Any processed fish will have the fish oil removed and replaced with plant oil, so they can sell the fish oil separately to health retards. Eat salmon patties? Look at the ingredients, they took all the fish oil out when they blended it and sell it for more profit, adding back söybean or safflower oil for texture and so it leaks out when cooking making you believe it's fish oil.

You kids really need to be more wary of scams, we're becoming too naive for how malevolent the world actually is towards us.

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>>75222250
Made from the grains of the oat plant, the dish we know as oatmeal is made from ground oat groats (sometimes called "milled oats"), steel-cut oats or rolled oats. Oat groats are the seeds of the oat plant with the hulls removed.

Why is a rice grain not called a seed?
The word grain is usually used for the edible seeds of a cereal grass, such as rice, barley, or corn (maize). A cereal grass's fruits—the fleshy or dry ripened ovaries of a flowering plant that contain seeds—are also often referred to as grains.

Did you know that rice is a seed? It really is! Rice grows on a rice plant and the part that we eat is the rice seed. Seeds can be used for both planting and eating. Many kinds of seeds are eaten all over the world.

Wheat is a grain, which belongs to the grass family. A grain is defined as a plant that produces a dry edible seed, which is called a kernel or berry. Wheat produces a seed that is commonly called a kernel. Corn, grain sorghum, rice, oats, and rye are other examples of grains

Flour is a natural product made from wheat. The milling process involves separating the three component parts of the wheat seed and milling them between rollers.

Is pasta made out of flour?
Before we go any further, let's remind ourselves of what pasta is. It's really simple: Pasta is just flour plus something liquid.

>>75222393
>You're supposed to get fishy burps
To clarify this, IF you happen to burp and it's fishy that's good. If it's MAKING you burps excessively that's a problem and it's probably spoiled. You should put fish oil in the fridge, most vitamins really.

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>>75222396
>>75221023
A bean is actually a seed that contains the embryo of a future plant. The embryo is packaged with a food source to use during its early stages of growth, and is covered with a protective seed coat.

Lentils are are small little lens shaped seeds, and come in many different colors.

Each pod contains several seeds (peas), which can have green or yellow cotyledons when mature. Botanically, pea pods are fruit, since they contain seeds and develop from the ovary of a (pea) flower.
The peanut (Arachis hypogaea), also known as the groundnut, goober (US), goober pea, pindar (US) or monkey nut (UK), is a legume crop grown mainly for its edible seeds.
“Corn is a seed derived from the flower/ovary of the corn plant,” he says, “so is technically a fruit.” More specifically, corn is a caryopsis, which is a type of fruit in which the seed coat is tightly fused with the pericarp (that's the fleshy bit, like the part of a peach that you eat).

Eating seeds as a pastime
The toxicity of our city, our city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOsILsG8llQ

>>75222330
>Pretending that rancidity is the reason seed oils are bad for you is deflection from the fact that seed oils are objectively not food; they are fucking poison.
Define "poison".

>>75218127
false. It's more vegan horseshit

>>75220778
fucking white rice drenched in seed oil seems pretty disgusting, even for a Jeet like you

>>75221051
>fact-check-were-new-covid-19-boosters-tested-in-just-8-mice-should-it-matter/
>should-it-matter/
>“There’s no concern from the safety perspective that this vaccine is safe,” said Dr. Pia MacDonald, an epidemiologist at RTI International.
Ofc they deny this shit at first and then spin it into a "here's why that's actually a good thing!" kinda situation when they have to admit defeat

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>>75220868
>get some high-quality fresh krill.
remember, the jew fears the indoor shrimp farmer

We have the is coffee good for you meme. But fish oil is the real question. I had no idea if fish is actually good for you before clicking this thread and after reading all the arguments for and against I still have no clue

>>75223509
Something that isn't supposed to be consumed that damages your body if consumed. Hope you enjoyed your kindergarten-level English lesson.

>>75223584
>Picrelated
Hell yeah, man. I was never more vital and motivated than when I got 2 kittens to take care of.

>>75218127
>“Potentially harmful”
>”When they go rancid”

Scientifically imprecise language

I take Kori Krill Oil fwiw

>>75224259
Also rancid

>>75218127
>When they go rancid
Yeah man. Rotten food is bad for you.
I hate jews so goddamned much it's

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>>75218127
I thought everyone knew by now that you shouldn't guzzle down rancid fish oil?

You don't need more omega 3's. You need to lower your omega 6 intake so that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is correct. What's that ratio, you ask? I haven't got the faintest, I just know that beef and eggs have them in the perfect amounts for optimal health, because that's how God made them

>>75220625
>None of these are natural human foods.
People have been eating fish in large quantities for tens of thousands of years.

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>>75218503
I wish I had a right-wing beef jerky dealer in my neighbourhood, but noooo, all I got are regular niggers selling dope and crack

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>>75219490
It's mostly due to the clear mechanisms by which they are harmful, anon. Phytosterols can and do compete with cholesterol for uptake into human tissue, even though our bodies are usually pretty good at not taking in most of that horrid crap. There is a small group of people with something called phytosterolemia, they usually don't live very long.

Vegetable oils are cancer and atherosclerosis in a bottle, drinking them is suicidal. The human body is NOT designed to handle that stuff, since it was only introduced into the human diet a hundred years ago. The very notion that it would be good for us is ridiculous, and any study purporting to show that is 100% fraudulent, like the vast majority of studies pertaining to human nutrition and health.

Btw, that's the mechanism by which eating plants lowers cholesterol, at least partially. It's not a good thing in that context, either.

>>75224151
Good job, good job. Now, why do seed oils damage your body if consumed?

>>75218127
All oils are bad including fish oils and olive oils. Why are people so desperate to consume oils? Makes no sense. Just eat solid animal fats like nature intended it isn't hard.

>>75218127
Oh, ok, so the new meme is that unsaturated fats are bad for you when it's been more than proven that ω-3 lowers your risk of heart disease considerably?

>>75225533
Alright guys....is fish oil good for you or not

>>75220788
>indirect indicators
None of this is particularly persuasive. Only meaningful measurement in one study was a loss of weight, and that only proves that rapeseed oil is not as easily digested compared to butter.

>>75225546
Look, it's well established that saturated fats are cancer and some unsaturated fats are good for you, but I guess covid means basic ass bioscience must be wrong now too.

>>75225571
>it's well established that saturated fats are cancer
Looks like someone is out of date

>>75218127
>PhD in nutrition from the University of Reading
>lies about her credentials
>supposedly does not lie about anything else
mhm

>>75218357
Wait til you hear what’s even in pasture fed beef
There’s no escape, goy

>>75219583
Excess Omega 6 bro…mainly linoleic acid. You shouldn’t have too much of it because human cells don’t like it that much.

>>75225533
>it's been more than proven that ω-3 lowers your risk of heart disease considerably?
You
>didn't read the studies
>didn't understand what was being studied
>didn't understand what the studies were showing
Seed oils (omega-6) are one of the most aggressive causes of atherosclerosis (and by extension heart disease). Many studies have shown that REPLACING dietary seed oil with omega-3 oils can reduce heart disease risk. This is true. Does this mean that omega-3 oils are good for your heart?
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If you answered yes, congratulations, you're retarded. No, what this means is that seed oils are so bad for you that replacing them with anything else will be an improvement. Omega-3 oils are also bad for your heart and a contributor to atherosclerosis, just not quite as bad as omega-6. This is a common trick in nutritional science so you should pay attention to how it works. It's very easy to create a study to show that just about anything is healthy, just so long as you compare it to something worse. The studies you should be looking for are the ones that compare a "normal" diet to one with zero polyunsaturated fat intake.

>>75225653
>lies about her credentials
In what way is she lying?

>>75225744
People on wikipedia delete her phd credential, and it is hard to find her thesis online.

>>75225750
Sounds like you're really reaching for an excuse to doubt something as mundane and easily obtained as a PhD in fucking nutrition.

>>75223557
Imagine hating fried rice

>>75225549
Well you're wrong. It's good evidence. And for the sake of arguments let's say it was a neutral effect. Thats still non-harmful, where if it was as inflammatory as all you clowns preach it would show that. Feel free to provide any human evidence that shows that. But as nobody has yet to in this thread(or any thread) it doesn't not exist.

>>75225443
Not to mention fish diets are neg. correlated with heart disease.

>>75226028
Ok.

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>>75225471
see >>75219711 that's exactly what you schizo faggots are doing all thread

>>75225443
>People have been eating fish in large quantities for tens of thousands of years.
see
>>75221507
>Son, there are no clean fish anymore. The oceans are filthy and you're retarded if you eat any kind of fish.

>>75222269
They have proven it isn't harmful as have independent researchers all around the world over many decades.

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>>75220625
>The only sources for omega fatty acids are seeds, nuts, and deep sea fish.
Retard

>>75226834
you poor thing
go check exactly how much "omega fatty acids" are in that steak and get back to me

>>75226905
>Uh well it only had a small amount of omegas
That has absolutely no bearing on your statement that there are no essential fatty acids or that the only sources are nuts and fish

>>75226941
>he didn't look it up
I accept your concession. But for the record, a normal sized ny strip steak (around 300 calories worth, around 150g iirc) has a fraction of a single gram of omega fatty acids. In the entire thing there are MAYBE 0.3g of omega 3s.

So yes, technically it does contain some trace amounts of omega fatty acids but for any realistic purpose, it has none. A fraction of a gram is not dietarily significant and you're never going to be able to eat enough of it from a steak to have any effect, good or bad. As a comparison, a single tablespoon (13g) of canola oil has 12x that amount of omega fatty acids.

>>75218503
>the no beef Jerry supplier conspiracy gf

>>75226762
>They have proven it isn't harmful as have independent researchers all around the world over many decades.
No, they haven't, and nice job shifting the goalposts. First you demand "evidence that they're bad" and then you completely change tack when you get called out for your bullshit. How much are you getting paid to shill seed oils on /fit/? What dishonest tactic are you going to use next?

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>>75228152
So red and blue are bad?
Is only yellow good, or orange as well?

>>75228152
And your point is...?

>>75228175
Red and blue are good. The less saturated a fat is, the worse it is for you. Blue and orange are what you want to avoid. You'll notice that the normal human foods on that chart (coconut oil, animal fats, and to a lesser extent olive oil) are also the ones with the lowest amounts of blue and orange (polyunsaturated fats).

>>75228028
If there is no evidence that seed oils are toxic, if all evidence says otherwise, then it means they are proven to be safe. Dumb retard faggot. Bet you're fat too.

>>75228270
>Red and blue are good
Red is saturated fat
>blue and orange are what you want to avoid
You said blue is good
Pretty sure olive oil is better for you than lard

>>75218503
Eating a pound of mackerel daily is enough to get the clinically studied high dosage of fish oils that are purported to have benefits.

>>75225484
>why?
Kek. Don't you mean to ask - "how?"?

>>75218127
>teicholz

>>75226067
yeah but what kind of fish? sure as shit it's not some conventional farmed salmon that is basically obese and diabetic

>>75218127
Fish oil made me constipated. Dont know how, but things got better almost as soon as I stopped taking it.

>>75218127
Fun fact: seed oil is always oxidized by its nature during production. Fish oil supplements take time to oxidize, so fresher, better packaged and handled fish oil supplements are not oxidized until they sit too long on the shelf.

>>75227012
You only need a few grams of omega fatty acids, you retard. Besides that I've categorically demonstrated your original statement was literally false, so time to take the L

>>75228366
>Pretty sure olive oil is better for you than lard
for cooking?
lard > olive oil

>>75230246
Nta but you're incorrect. Lard has more pufas which are heat unstable. Evoo is mostly monos which you can actually heat too high temperatures without issue, in contrary to what 00's momscience says.

>>75225744
>>75225750
>>75225937
>phd in reading
it means she does not have one

>>75218517
Not him or a fat/no fat extremist but let's go down this road.
Okay so if it's an animal fat that means as a human we can probably make it internally in the ratios and forms we need best. Since things dha and epa deficiencies are nearly impossible to have outside a clinical study where they're deliberately deprived people of these to the point they found out they were essential in the first place (think they were literally prisoners). Why would we need external sources? Why can't we just feast to produce the nessisary fat stores internally. Then famine to drop the blood sugar to actually allow for the metabolism of that energy we stored as fat? Wouldn't a more internally regulated system be closer? Not trying to appeal to nature or caveman bullshit just systemically it would seem internal regulation would be most optimal (in the caveman bullshit scenarios it would be environmentally regulated indirectly)

Should I take fish oil or not anon?

>>75230302
Just eat fatty fish a couple times a week.

>>75218517
You’re retarded

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>>75228345
I'm leaner than you, and healthier since I avoid sneed oils. Enjoy drinking your industrial waste products.

So oil of fish????

>>75218127
Yeah the fish oil meme died like a decade ago
I wasnt even lifting back then and I remember this

>>75218214
Have you tried...
Eating food?

>>75218127
Social engineer anon, waiting for the powerlifting retards to stop getting their omega 3s and dropping dead from a heat attack because of their intolerably high protein diets and fear of cardiovascular exercise.

I approve, they are about as healthy as the tubs of lard at the same wait but they have a chip on their shoulder because they look like the clowns they substituted for father figures who just wanted to sell them whey and lie women like big muscles

>>75228366
>Red is saturated fat
Correct. You may have missed my next sentence, which was "the less saturated a fat is, the worse it is for you".

>You said blue is good
Obviously a typo but thank you for showing that you have nothing else to say. Yellow and orange are the types of fat that will, among other things, destroy your arteries.

>>75230195
>You only need a few grams of omega fatty acids
And in order to get those few grams from beef you would need to eat around 1500 calories worth. That's a little shy of two pounds. I don't know about you but I don't like the thought of having to eat two pounds of steak every single day.
>Besides that I've categorically demonstrated your original statement was literally false
Via semantic kikery? No, I don't think so. I fully stand by my original statement: the only sources for omega fatty acids are seeds, nuts, and deep sea fish. Beef might have trace amounts of omega fatty acids but it's far, far too little to have any dietary significance.

I would also say, for example, that steak is not a source of B9. This is not literally true - a 4oz ribeye contains around 8 micrograms of folate - but this amount is around 1% of your daily requirement so for all practical purposes, it has none. Similarly, the fraction of a gram of omega fatty acids found in beef aren't significant in any way and may as well not be there at all. If you want omega fatty acids in your diet then beef will never be a good source for them and if you don't want them in your diet then beef is fine to eat because it has virtually none.

I realize that you're just trying to cope with the fact that you fell for this retarded marketing
>>75226834
>5.5x MORE OMEGA FATTY ACIDS!!
and I feel for you, I really do, but the reality is that the steak in that pic probably has around 0.4g per serving instead of the normal 0.07g per serving. It may be 5x as much but 5x a miniscule amount is typically still a miniscule amount.

>>75219754
>Journalism article as argument
It's based on this
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-29966-008
>nothing about weight
Anon, please.

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All supplements are synthetic slop made by gay nerds

>>75221023
I'm getting almost a quarter of my calories from processed shit with sugar on it and i can feel my health going down. Imagine 3 quarters.

>>75222360
How? I live in hueziland and i can get thorough testing for 20% of the monthly minimum wage .
I think you can travel to brasil, get tested, fuck some prostitutes and go back for $2500.

>>75218330
This. Good reminder to eat fish.

>>75232160
Objectively false you worm

>>75231762
>"the less saturated a fat is, the worse it is for you"
Whats the human evidence for this?

>>75218127
i pop open my fish oil and it tastes good
i mean fishy as fuck but not rancid

>>75223564
piss off tranny retard

>>75232614
projecting much?

>>75232160
This is such and idiotic take. Supplements ARE THE EXACT SAME THING AS FOOD.

SNEED OIL NIGGER

>>75232539
I don't play the
>post studies for me!!
game anymore since people refuse to actually read them or find some bullshit excuse to dismiss them. Your "evidence" is the fact that all fats accessible to humans prior to the Neolithic revolution were saturated fats. The pre-farming human diet was fruit, tubers, meat, and honey. The only fats in this diet come from animals and this was the basic human diet for roughly 290,000 of the 300,000 years that anatomically modern humans have existed. The natural human diet does not contain non-saturated fats in any significant amounts.

Copes you may hear:
>b-but nuts
In the wild, nuts are seasonal.

>b-but fish
Fatty fish are deep sea fish and it took quite a long time for humans to figure out how to fish period, much less build boats and fish at sea.

>b-but naturalistic fallacy
If I told you that wolves shouldn't be fed a vegan diet because they naturally eat meat, you would think it was entirely reasonable. If if said that the best diet for a pet iguana is one that mimics what it eats in the wild, no one would argue. Similarly, the best diet for humans is what wilds (ie pre-agriculture, pre-civilization) humans ate, and that diet does not include non-saturated fats in any significant amounts.

>>75232810
>Supplements ARE THE EXACT SAME THING AS FOOD.
They're absolutely not. Even if they were chemically identical (and they're not - go do a little research into the difference between the vitamin C you find in orange juice and the "vitamin c" (ascorbic acid) you find in vitamin supplements) then they aren't absorbed in the same way because your body expects micronutrients to be accompanied by other things, not isolated in a pill.

>>75233850
>Fatty fish are deep sea fish and it took quite a long time for humans to figure out how to fish period, much less build boats and fish at sea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pA5uZQdXyE
Touch grass

>>75234367
Are clams a fatty food?

>>75218233
Why did you post boobs?

>>75218127
Bitch I don't cook with fish oil OR seed oil. I use lard.

>>75234725
Are clams a fat free food?

>>75234923
>evading the question
I'll take that as your admission that no, clams are not a fatty food. Are they entirely fat free? No, they're very lean but they do have a small amount of fat. How much are we talking about? Well, in a 90g serving, which is around 10 small clams, you could expect to get around 1.5g of fat.

Did you have a point?