Know it's poison. Drink in moderation.

Worst thing you can take to get high. Worst drug there is.
You might as well shoot heroin, since it’s less harmful to the body.
The fact that shit is legal really tells you how retarded laws of society is.

Apart from fucking up your body, it also makes you do fucked up things that leads to violence and death.

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It's fucking stupid and it's for stupid people. I only drink socially on rare occasion to relax and fit in, but if it weren't for that then I would never drink. Drugs in general are for people with no willpower or self control in life, including caffeine and obviously weed

>>76812139
t. bitch that can't handle the booze

>>76812135
Not a necessity

>>76812160
t. addicted person who rationalizes his drinking problem

>>76812135
it's good

>>76812160
I process alcohol very fast due to my size, and I agree with him. Alcohol is a woman's drug, real men drink caffeine

>>76812135
How many beers are just maybe too much on a Saturday night? 4? 5?

Hate it at home but don't mind two pints during yakiniku/kbbq.

Kekke spam

>>76812397
this

Glad i stopped the liquid jew in 2015. Low energy cattle passtime that gives you nothing and takes from you only

>>76812135
Probably not enough to make your mom look pretty but I'll give it the old college try.

>>76812135
>moderate drinking for taste
good
>having a few beers with the boys on a friday/saturday
good as long as you know your limits
>getting shitfaced on the regular
bad

One of the few reasons I haven't sprayed my brain across the ceiling.

>>76812135
Actually kills gains if drunken regularly (like more then a few times a month if working out consistently) but it is fun.

Love beer, indifferent to the rest

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>>76812135
I am an alcoholic, drank heavily for the last 8 years. Last month the love of my life left me and is selling the house we live in because I couldn’t stop drinking. I’m about to be 30 in a few days and I’m living at my parents on house arrest with no job and the woman I love won’t speak to me and is moving on, she also has my two dogs because I can’t bring them here. Don’t end up like me anons, I’ll probably kill myself.

>>76812636
You sound like a 60 years old boomer
You fucked big time, first by loving a woman, second my being slave of the liquid jew. Get your shit together, buy a one way ticket to Algeria or some muslim shithole and just stay there, your parents can send you 500€ a month and you can easily kill that shitty habit.

>>76812135
i would drink maybe once a month in college in tandem with weed to keep myself from closing up around people. never really liked it on its own, though. always ended up saying shit i never should have.
stopped drinking after i hooked up with a serious fucking /fit/ girl who impressed me so much with how healthy she was it convinced me to make pretty big changes in my habits.

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>>76812643
Currently 42 days sober, taking it one day at a time. Probably will move to some Muslim shit hole like Algeria or England tho

>>76812135
Most people can't handle it, but most people can't handle any drug. Love beer and wine, liquor is aight. I rarely get drunk anymore and only drink on the weekends. It's nice to wind down with a beerski

>>76812135
Moderation is key. Too much soda and water are bad for you too.

>>76812650
Good to hear that.

Fatti non foste a viver come bruti
ma per sequir virtute e canoscenza
[You were not made to live like brute beasts, but to pursure virtue and knowledge.]
(Dante Alighieri, Inferno 26.119-20)

>>76812160
^alcoholic^

>>76812135
Literally never understood why people drink
It's disgusting, is bad for every part of your body and you can get a better high from THC+ caffeine that won't utterly obliterate your gains

>>76812160
>Gainsless retard
Adults are talking, boy

>>76812371
3
You can get away with 2 heavy 12oz beers once a week with minimal impact on your gains but that's really the only way to do alcohol if you care about your lean mass

>>76812574
Stop watching porn and get an outdoor hobby

>>76812135

The people in /fit/ who overly demonize alcohol typically belong to a few mental illness categories:

1) Lack discipline and control, and therefore must choose abstinence and an irrational hatred of a chemical, loudly and aggressively espousing it's harmful effects, to avoid alcoholism. Typically former addicts, AA attendees, etc. The vitriol is an over correction and coping mechanism.

2) Gymcels. They never have opportunities to socially drink and were excluded from party life in High School/College. Similar to (1), the loud annoying winging about "alcohol is a poison" is a rationalization coping mechanism for never being invited to enjoy it in a social setting.

3) Religious fanatics (typically any muslim, some mormons, etc). Similar to (1) and (2) in use of irrational coping mechanisms. Mostly just low IQ sheep desu, not much to dissect here.

Alcohol is not imbued with any intrinsic goodness or badness. It's a chemical, a recreational drug. Treat it like anything else you have to moderate: added sugar, highly processed foods, fried chicken, and drink it in moderation commensurate with it's negative health effects.

So like, a beer or two every other week, socially, is fine.

>>76812693
^coping alcoholic^

>>76812672
I can't stand weed. The high is terrible whether it's subtle or intense.

>>76812135
Unless it's a very special occasion I don't drink, even if it's free. Never liked being drunk or buzzed up so I don't miss it at all.

>>76812676
Post age and body, bitch

>>76812755
Kek the alcoholic is angwy, go have a drink to seetle down ;^)

>>76812135
there are some folks who just shouldn't be drinking at all, either can't moderate it or have bad habits when drunk. moderation in all things is generally good, so if you can handle a few drinks more power to you: if you can't stop or can't act right, you should avoid drinking

>>76812135
Bad

I don't see the point in it unless I get blackout drunk. I keep it to once a month and otherwise drink non alc beer if I'm so inclined to have one.

>>76812139
This & based
>>76812160
People like this have no idea how fucking retarded they look drinking. No one does.
>Go to a bar & people watch.
This is the easiest way to see how retarded drinking is, seeing how obnoxious & stupid everyone becomes while on it. On top of that, watch how many people drive home. Do you know how many drunk drivers there are on our streets? It's fucking insane.

^only alcoholics drink to blackout^

>>76812755
Anon made no claims to his own gains, why would he need to post body? You sound angry & fat. Especially around the liver.

drinking beer turned me into a fat retard

>>76812135
I don't drink because I was drinking myself to death and could not drink in moderation. I don't care if other people drink. I will not start drinking again unless I am ready to die, because I know that I will drink myself to death.

>>76812180
>caffeine
Faggot drug for junkies

>>76812841
No it just made you fat as you were retarded all along :3

>>76812850
>says the alcoholic
;^)

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>>76812832
Really? Even if I go into drinking with the intention to black out? Either way it's not a big part of my life anymore.

>>76812855
Yes because you cant stop after a drink or two you fucking alcoholic ;^(

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>>76812856
D: but what is the point in two drinks when you won't notice any effects of it, then it's just poison and calories without a reason.

>>76812859
It was poison and empty calories all along
Now stop coping you fucking alcoholic

>>76812137
This. Had two whiskey & cokes yesterdat evening got a chill buzz and called it a night. Zero reason to get all fucked up and ruin yourself

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>>76812854
You look like this

>>76812850
Every certified badass in every specops military group across the planet practically lives on it so, I'm thinking you're just a bitter faggot alchy. Caffeine is proven to help with lifts & is a certified nootropic.

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>>76812868
Your liver looks like this ;^)

>>76812868
Only people who look like that have images like that saved.

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Tis the fate of you alcoholics ;^)

>>76812135
cringe and gay, makes you fat and stupid at the same time.

>>76812137
There is no such thing as drinking poison in moderation. Being only a little retarded, is still retarded.

>>76812698
A coping alcoholic would actually be very defensive and is aware how toxic it is but blindly still continues to drink

t. Actual coping alcoholic

>>76812862
It's ok I barely drink anymore.

>>76812903
Cringe
>>76812916
Based but you should drop it entirely

>>76812693
I drink a beer sometimes but i generally hate alcohol and how it is socially accepted, while weed smoking (which i don't partake in) it's illegal and demonized (atleast here in Shitaly). It doesn't make sense and it's infuriating me how normalized it is at the point that going out = drink

>>76812135
Dont drink at all. Jew poison

>>76812135
Tastes like shit and is expensive, also is usually very unhealthy

>>76812650
>England
I hope relapse and drink yourself to death you mixed race mutt. Your woman was right to leave you, you weak minded faggot junkie.

>>76812135
its poison
use it to surprise your body
keep it in line
same goes for other types of poison
your body adapts and stagnates
you need to fuck up it up sometimes to keep growing
but any time you start building a pattern or routine of drinking you are doing it wrong because your body has gotten used to it already

>>76813874
Your police force let Muhammad rape your women and you guys did nothin about it

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Well Arnold said in Pumping Iron that Milk is for babies, and men should drink beer. He's a person of outstanding moral character and has never been known to lie or deceive me, so I'm drinking it daily now.

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>>76813874
The bong got offended lmao just be honest and admit your country is gone forever.

Used to be more into it when I was younger. I could always outdrink people, and I started to get convinced I couldn't get drunk. This changed when I had 15 ish drinks in 2 hours at my buddy's 21st birthday. Man what a night. I apparently thanked his sister for making out with me (I didn't) and then I broke my front tooth dancing. Now I still drink on occasion, but it's less fun.

>>76813007
Okay muhammed

>>76813874
Whoa there, Mr Bongilliams.
Gonna have to revoke your internet loicenc for this hateful language..

>>76812137
This. It’s inherently bad and a gains goblin

>>76812135
worst garbage you can possibly put in your body

it's literally poison

t. neuroscientist; anyone who knows what alcohol actually does in your body won't even touch that shit

Ruined my life

Once had a job making $120,000 a year, my own place, was in great shape. Now I'm fat as fuck living in my mom's basement.

>>76812135
gave it up after one very bad hangover. social life never recovered.

It's gay. Tastes like shit, makes you fat, costs you money, and being drunk doesn't even feel good.

>>76812135

Responsible for some of the best nights of my life. Nothing better than getting fucked up and going to a concert and bar, showing off your gains and pulling some ass. Im in better shape than 99% of the population and I have a day job, im not Mr. Olympia a drink once a week isn't gonna vastly change my body and whats the point of all this hard work if I can't enjoy my self. Sorry to the people who have no self control.

>>76812135
Just generically makes me feel like crap. Even just a couple beers makes me feel like ass for the rest of the day.

>>76813898
Kek

I've been both a huge alcoholic and straight edge in my life. Alcoholic nights are waaay more fun. It's always a good time with alcohol no matter how mundane wt ur doing is.

However...it's like cutting ur lifeline for shortterm dopamine. Now I'm paying for the years I was a boozehound. Used to drink two bottles a week half a bottle a night. My dick is broken about 20% and my skin about 60% from it. Surprised I didn't damage my shit even more. Love my body and the Lord for that.

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>>76812135
Can we all just take a moment to agree that 99% of bourbons take like shit? I don't know what motivates people to willingly drink cheap whiskey. Even dirt cheap vodka can be made better tasting than some "high end" whiskeys with the right mix, but I guess drinking vodka just isn't as macho.

>>76815148
You're a child that's why. Cocktails are useless compared to a nice literally anything else.

A glass of champagne, wine, or beer at an event or a meal is fine, but that's where I draw the line at drinking in public these days. I've seen people fall-down drunk, been fall-down drunk myself, and there's no good to come of that.

>>76815148
what they don't tell you is that if you are smoking, neat whiskey tastes like the nectar of the gods.

I can't moderate. I am afraid.

https://www.reddit.com/r/stopdrinking/

Just visiting this page you'll see how many people wreck their entire lives over this one drink. It's insane.

>>76815250
People wreck their entire lives over a lot of things and blame alcohol or any substance for their retardation.

>>76815115
fag

>>76812135
imtbebiggeat bi know .alkoholic spare me bros we se each other in heaven

Best drug there is.
Easily dosed.
The effect is always the same. Increase in tolerance is marginal compared to weed for example.
Fun in social settings.
Fun alone.
Gets you energized and relaxed at the same time.
Delicious.
The aftereffects are very predictable.
Just don't drink a six pack or a bottle of wine a day.

^alcoholic^

>>76812135
just drink it in moderation (get a peak buzz then switch to water), and count calories if ur on a cut like any other food

being an alcoholic is only tragic if you're good looking

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I can drink half a liter of hard liquer in 1 sitting and be fine the next day

>>76812867
gin & tonic is better

>>76813874
Your fucking home secretary is a hijabi you coping faggot

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>>76812135
Stopped drinking at 19 because I realised I couldn't afford it, it had been a while since I met any girls while drunk and hangovers sucked.
I took myself out for dinner and a movie, got home at 11pm feeling good, having spent less, and never really looked back.

Used to drink because it gave me confidence but then I unfucked my shit life and don't need it so I stopped, still smoke tho

>>76812884
Okay anon, you’re fully retarded then.

>>76812135
A couple or three drinks once in awhile is fine. Bad if you drink most or every day, for a lot of reasons.

Two shots of fireball is undefeated as a studying preworkout

>>76812135
I love it, it's fucking incredible. As a result I drink until I can't function regularly. Now that I'm 30 i'm actively trying to save myself before I drink myself to death.

>>76812693
>a beer or two every other week, socially, is fine
I have drunk 10+ every Friday and Saturday since I turned 18. aigmi?

>>76812650
>or England
In the past, I have heard of people there converting specifically because of Islam's stance against alcohol and recreational drugs.

In USA, there are "dry communities". Towns and counties that do not permit the sale of alcohol anywhere. Some Native American reservations ban it too, even in the casinos where alcohol would normally be used to lubricate your wallet.

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>>76812135
I LOVE PINK WHITNEY!!!!!!!!!! ITS PIIIIIIINK!!!

>>76812693
This

>>76812135
Hard liquor is toxic and not meant for consumption. Beer can be enough to sustain a man, and wine is great.

>>76812139
>society is retarded
>how about we ban this natural process
I don't drink and that's just a straight up indefensible position

>>76812135
one of the few respites in my fucked up chud failure life

>>76812397
Oooo teryaki beer a shot or two of whisky and vodka my favorite

Can and will make you schizophrenic.

>>76816328
Yeah same a fifth is solid makes you take it easy if you space it out

>>76817668
fuck you Tyler

>>76817968
whose Tyler?

6 years sober next month, will be 40 next year, not drinking has helped me stay skinny and avoid health problems that are starting to plague my peers

>>76817869
You eat mold too? It’s natural.

>>76818277
>muh ad absurdum
>just ban everything bro
I can't say I'm surprised anymore

>>76812135
I could never drink again and be fine with it
But my mates like pints so I join them
My days of drinking 28 shots of vodka on a night are behind me though

>>76812755
That anger is caused by heightened cortisol from your alcoholism
Cortisol is an antagonist to testosterone since they are both used to manage stressors your body faces
Your lack of gains is literally seeping through your seething posts ITT

>>76813007
Unbelievably based and black pilled

>>76812717
Gotta try the caffeinated THC climbing kites green can
Caffeine+THC = alcohol high without destroying your gains or losing your ability to make decisions

>>76812755
32, 6'4, 280lbs, 15% bf 3/4/5

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>>76812139
>worst drug there is

>>76812135
Borrowing happiness from tomorrow.
Ruins gains also, but can be good fun and an essential social lubricant for many.

>>76812135
4 times a year maybe, not once a month that's for sure

>>76812135
Fucks with your brain chemistry and acts as a depressant long term. This is even if you drink once or twice a week. It sucks because it's an easy convenient body relaxant and the buzz doesn't have a social stigma unlike all other drugs. But yeah it fucks you up mentally over time.
t.35 year old boomer
>>76812137
This is a cope I'm afraid.
>>76812371
3 is the limit for affecting your body a lot. But the quality of your sleep is going to be impacted somewhat for that night and to lesser extent the next night even if you feel it is not.
>>76812693
>A Beer or two socially.
I have never met someone doing well in life who *has* to drink socially.

useless drug

take stims and steroids instead of gains goblin retard fuel

I want to be superhuman not subhuman

How the fuck can I permanently stop? I'm addicted and need to stop

Way too many people falling for Huberman pseudo science.

Alcohol use doesn't increase risk of disease until you get over seven drinks a week. Even then it's marginal.

>>76812135
Overrated and self destructive

Only /fit/ approved drugs are weed oil, microdosed shrooms, caffeine, kratom and stimulants

>>76820357
figure out the reason why you drink and fix it

>>76812717
weed feels pretty overrated to me. Doesn't really make me outgoing or talkative like alcohol does, doesn't make me creative like some people say, honestly just makes me tired and just want to do nothing and waste time.
>"just try this super specific strain bro"
I've smoked a bunch of different hit and they're all the same

I binge drink once every 10 days or so and the other days my body is a temple. This is the optimum way of drinking. A drink or 2 does nothing for me and makes me feel like shit once I stop. So I just drink alot of drinks on one day then call it quits. I also eat good and take tons of supplements and hydration drinks to recover

>>76812135
there's two ways to look at alcohol imo -
>occasional (~1 time a month), social lubricant when out with friends at a social gathering or celebration. Drink a lot but back to normal the next day.
This is how alcohol should be consumed and is pretty ok for the most part.
>drinking every night. Turns from 1 beer 'just to relax after work' into '3 Cutwaters a night to help me forget about X problem'
this is when it gets dangerous, addictive, and very harmful. You need to get your shit figured out and stop relying on alcohol to solve your problems at this point.

If you're into /fit/ness you should really be limiting your drinking altogether. Not eliminate, but limit and in moderation.

>>76820357
this is /fit/ not a therapist or AA, but generally people who drink or do other drugs a lot are running away from something. Could be anything. PTSD, relationship problems, trauma etc...

>>76820357
stop by a meeting and just listen

>>76820357
In addition to what other anons said, I had good luck with changing my mindset
Instead of:
>I'm trying to quit drinking / I'm getting sober
I think:
>I'm just someone who doesn't drink

Ive even done it with other health and wealth related stuff with mostly good results. Suck at flossing every day? I'm not trying to get better at flossing; I love flossing my teeth. Can't sit down and focus on starting homework? I'm not trying to "catch up," I enjoy my classes and find the material fun and enjoyable.

You get the idea. Reframing your own self-perspective into something more positive and removed from the idea of burden can make a big difference. Of course, it's not miraculous, you still have to account for the fact that you are stuck in the feedback loop of chemical dependency on a fundamental level. What I mentioned helps with the psychological side of addiction, but you still gotta deal with the biological side of it, too.

>t. Clean from multiple substances, alcohol included, since 03/2019

>>76812135
i dont think about it at all anymore. It probably did some damage to my brain and stomach and definitely made me fat. Lets pour strong solvent chemicals down our throat and see what happens tee hee. It also directly suppresses mitochondria, you know, the main energy producing cells in your body. Maybe men of thirty fifty years could drink hard and live long but not the sickened, compromised blobs of today. I think zoomers not drinking socially is why they arent fucking as much too. Remote south american tribes brew corn beer and have a week long party where you can fuck anyone. They are some of the healthiest people on earth, running everywhere.

>>76820870
well done for staying clean friend. I wont drink again, but if i do Ill just get back to being baseline and its fine. I got a few cravings at first but you just sit with the feeling and fully feel what it is you are trujng to wash away with booze, and the craving leaves you like a bored demon.

>>76817345
watch Rain In My Heart on youtube, basically a docu where you watch british alcys die in front of your eyes from liver failure.

>>76812180
why not both
at the same time

>>76815250
>people
*redditors

>>76812650
M8 the Muslims in England are some of the worst. Most of them drink and take drugs, they just lie about it.

It's one of my biggest vices and something I've struggled with over the years.
I'm a terrible drunk too, get extremely boisterous and provocative.
I've learned that it is a problem for me, over the past few years and addressed it. But I occasionally slip. Usually I know when to stop myself and just stick to beers.
It's when I get on the hard liqueur that I become REALLY obnoxious.
Currently not drinking and if I do ill occasionally have one or two drinks and then go on the non alcoholics.
I think alcohol is a terrible drug, a true poison. It destroys so much and turns people into ugly messes. If it was alot more controlled I think this would be less of a problem. But, it's been such a staple of our society for so long there's no going back.

>>76812135
All it did/does was provide a way for me to cope with my shit life. I knew in middle school I was gonna be fucked given my poor white trash upbringing and it wasn't until 25 I started drinking heavily. 5 years later and night sweats and shakes are the new form of hangover. I have 0 idea how to "fix" my life beyond getting sober and have seen ladder after ladder be pulled up. Alcohol at least gives me the sudden relief of my failure of a life and I fully accept it will more than likely lead to my death whether it's an OD or waking up 1 morning to see how bad I was blackout drunk and shooting myself.

I had a shitton of beer last weekend and got my stomach fucked up for the last few days. Just don't drink it. It isn't worth it. Fuck booze.

>>76817869
Ok fair enough.
That alcohol is legal, and that «drugs» like weed, opioids, mushrooms (which can actually improve your life) is illegal is fucked up.

If you look at statistics, alcohol is by far the worst thing we can get fucked up on.
Not only is it extremely harmful to the body and brain, but it also leads to harmful actions ie other drugs, rape, violence, drunk driving and death, killings, abuse etc etc.

>>76812135
I liked beer but it's all poison. There is some beer with no alcohol and no carbs I want to try but it's Japanese and only available on the west coast as far as I know.

>>76812135
Drink in moderation. Avoid binging as it would ruin your gains. If you refuse to drink at all even better, but most people would like some amount of it.

It sucks ass, but luckily I have found a better subsitute. Bodybuilders and gays alike abused a little something called GHB. Figured I'd try it and me likey. To me the effects were all the more similar to alcohol, without the terrible hangover, or any additional calories. But you could never tell your friends you're getting high off something that isn't their commonplace socially accepted drug... Just do whatever you want, I'm not your papa.

>>76822418
That's a point I don't disagree with
Alcohol is honestly terrible, as far as risk-reward goes compared to other drugs
But the hubris to tell some fuckin suit to go up to an apple tree or a grapevine and say
>hey, you better not be fermenting!
>by the way I'll take my cut of the tax coffers now
Is mindblowing to me
If somebody wants to ruin their life, they have the freedom to do exactly that. Sometimes it takes bouncing off the bottom to know you don't want to do that again. I drink on occasion for social purposes (mostly wines with certain dinners), but if I want to check out/my body fuckin hurts (because I'm old lol), I usually go for weed.

>>76812135
It's great, but only in moderation.

>>76818277
yeah i do, blue stilton cheese is great

>>76818981
No thanks. I'll enjoy a beer or two