Should I be doing these in addition to a pushing movement such as dumbbell bench press/ barbell bench?
>>76817946Yeah or a cable fly or a pec deck machine.
>>76817959>>76817946pull down towards your opposite knee (unilaterally) with protracted shoulder for pecs - isometric hold of course no, NONE of the pushing potions builds whole pec, all of the innumerated flies included act the same in that manner, hence all of them are retarded injurious nonsense - albeit very good list of what NOT to do lol >but i built chest doing benchpress u might think so, i though so as well, used to, but sternal part will get damaged due to skeletal alignment and muscle will tighten because of that - pec snags on ribcage with retracted shoulder, origin and insertion can't see each other, muscle is constricted, sorta cut off at this point and all u will grow is the rest of it going to armpit>whoa a build some pecas i can feel them, i am strong as fuck in bench and pushup and shiet, yet my shoulders collapsed inward thoracic spine curved and u can't even fucking see them pecs in a t-shirt do not wreck your pecs and do not ruin your posture, build whole pec right up to sternum pictured is also push motion, don't push, pull, face the cable, better yet use rubber band hook it on forearm right at wrist and pull>why wrist to not ruin/overtax/clinch unwittingly wrist flexion for no reason whatsoever >rep sets ? no repping, the fuck are u stopping pulling, are u tired already ? pick a lighter band or stand closer, pull down with protracted shoulder towards opposite leg, palapate your pec with other hand and see how it's contracting and angle torso accordingly
>>76818405> pec snags on ribcage with retracted shoulderlol no it doesn't, you really just make this shit up don't you
>>76818426>lol no it doesn't, you really just make this shit up don't youyes it does bot, and yes 100% i make this shit up, it's my original thinking and doing bot :D i am using these principles https://youtu.be/5ekCSD-E7Q0?t=316poked, constricted muscle relaxes or conversely bot - poked/constricted muscle can't hold contraction, so it helps to poke and rub muscle to relax it, but it doesn't fucking help when u're trying to flex it, like in benchpress and flies and yadda yadda, u wind up at best with squashed milk carton pecs that are tight cause they are injured at sternal part and pull shoulders forward and spine into flexion >nooo u're just sum retard blah blah jay cutler DOES NOT BENCH, IT IS NOT BENCH, it's isometric hold with protracted shoulders, the gyrations he would call reps are completely unnecessary, he never goes down and never locks out, shoulders are protracted back is flat and relaxed, he certainly, without any shadow of doubt DOES NoT RETRACT SHOULDERS https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vc1d9UNqzdYit's still fucking retarded, cause u can also pull for pecs with arm outstretched in front of you :D
>>76818471>jay cutler DOES NOT BENCH, IT IS NOT BENCH,you literally just linked a video of him bench pressing> 100% i make this shit up, it's my original thinking and doing bot :DIt is not anatomically possible for the pectoral muscle to physically "snag" or get caught on the ribcage though. The muscle is attached to the clavicle, sternum (breastbone), and ribs and moves fluidly over the ribcage during arm movement.If you have some theory then you need to learn to communicate it properly like by drawing a diagram or demonstrating it anatomically with a musculoskeletal armature or something.You also need to explain biologically how isometrics build muscle. You would have thought that if you could build muscle with tension alone it'd be more popular by now.When are you going to post your body so we have proof all this works?
>>76817959>Yeah or a cable fly or a pec deck machine.Yeah except pec deck kind of sucks.
Kiddo I’ve been doing 3 sets of 7 Barbell Flies every day for years, you’ll notice the gains pretty quick but easy to plateau if your Barebells aren’t flying properly. Keep your neck bent slightly back when your flying and you’ll get gains quick
>>76818597>Kiddo I’ve been doing 3 sets of 7 Barbell Flies every day for years, you’ll notice the gains pretty quick but easy to plateau if your Barebells aren’t flying properly. Keep your neck bent slightly back when your flying and you’ll get gains quickno bot, it is as retarded as bench, cause >>76818405>pec snags on ribcage with retracted shoulder, origin and insertion can't see each other, muscle is constricted, sorta cut off at this point and all u will grow is the rest of it going to armpit>>76818542>you literally just linked a video of him bench pressingand explained why it's got zero to do with benchpress bot >It is not anatomically possible for the pectoral muscle to physically "snag" or get caught on the ribcage though. The muscle is attached to the clavicle, sternum (breastbone), and ribs and moves fluidly over the ribcage during arm movement.bullshit there's no difference between poking/pressing muscle with your fingers and doing the exact same thing with your ribs when shoulders are retracted >>76818471>yes it does bot, and yes 100% i make this shit up, it's my original thinking and doing bot :D>i am using these principles https://youtu.be/5ekCSD-E7Q0?t=316 [Embed]>poked, constricted muscle relaxes>or conversely bot - poked/constricted muscle can't hold contraction, so it helps to poke and rub muscle to relax it, but it doesn't fucking help when u're trying to flex it, like in benchpress and flies and yadda yadda, u wind up at best with squashed milk carton pecs that are tight cause they are injured at sternal part and pull shoulders forward and spine into flexion
>>76818471i hate you so fucking much you retarded freak, every time you interact with a thread it becomes ten times as shit
>>76818643>you literally just linked a video of him bench pressingand explained why it's got zero to do with benchpress bot Bench pressing has zero to do with bench pressing? I see.> bullshit there's no difference between poking/pressing muscle with your fingers and doing the exact same thing with your ribs when shoulders are retracted lol yes there is, again you demonstrate poor understanding of anatomy.your fingers are external to the muscle, if you push on muscle you're compressing it against the underlying structure i.e. the ribs, which the muscle is already attached to and designed to move over. When you retract shoulders the scapulae move posteriorly, the pec attachment points on the humerus move laterally/posteriorly, that stretches the pec muscle but the ribs don't move INTO the muscle, the ribs are the fixed origin point the muscle is pulling from and over. The pec has fascial planes designed to allow the muscle to glide over the ribcage - there's no mechanism for impingement or "snagging" during retraction here, it's a totally normal scenario. You just don't understand anatomy.
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Dumbbell flies are retarded, especially on a bench,
>>76818831Post body>>76817946Lately i have bern starting off with flys and presding with dumbells. Usually start off with decline. Holding barbell press at the bottom after db press and fly gives me a great squeeze.
