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New thread. Nice.

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>>102092937
ty baker

>>102092980
This one is really good. Do you upscale or gen at that size?

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>Choose a random animal from this list: bear, fish, sparrow. Only one.
>Depict it in pencil sketch style.
>Add a caption to the drawing with the name of the animal.
It seems to always choose the bear, but it totally ignores the fish and the sparrow. It's reasoning.

>>102092997
change the order

>>102093002
Buy a GPU.

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>>102092997
With 64 steps, it "chose" the bird, but no caption

flux1-dev-bnb-nf4-v2.safetensors best model for 3060 12gb?

>>102093013
it drew a sparrow then
it's not reasoning.

>>102092812
T5 uses capital letters, unlike CLIP. They are different tokens so concept bleeding is lessened.
>>102092950
NTA but embeddings can be new concepts as well, and the better the text encoder the more powerful the embeddings can be
loras involve training millions of parameters that then modify the base model
an embedding can be just a few vectors, each with 768 parameters (for T5)
>>102092922
>The point here is that the text encoder knows what you mean. It doesn't follow the words blindly like previous models did
we're working with just the embeddings here, not the output so there is big difference to prompting LLMs
Now try it without the "choose randomly" stuff, you'll see the same effect

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>Depict the second animal in this list: bear, fish, sparrow.
>In pencil sketch style.
>Add a caption to the drawing with the name of the animal.
This is reasoning. Is it not?

>>102093052
>an embedding can be just a few vectors, each with 768 parameters (for T5)
that's it? that's cool, I wonder no one is trying that out though? there's only one embedding of flux on civitai
https://civitai.com/models/667037/fluxcliplsafetensors?modelVersionId=746528

>>102093111
No, its following directions

There's no "script" input in SamplerCustomAdvanced, it's over.

>>102093029
How long 20 steps dev takes on 12gb?

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>>102093029
Works well on my 8gb 3xxx card.

>>102093137
120~ seconds at 1MP, raised exponentially for more pixels

>>102093111
>no caption

>>102093113
that is mislabeled, it is the CLIP encoder, not an embedding
I don't think there is a trainer for T5 embeddings, you can't even weigh the T5 prompt yet
the model using multiple encoders can also be a complication to training embeddings

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>>102093152
Well here goes, first flux gen. Random old prompt

>>102093137
30 steps, 1min 57seconds. Time to buy new hardware

You already know it's not reasoning because you can't positive-prompt a negative with flux

can someone try this lora? it didn't work for me
https://huggingface.co/markredito/90sbadtrip/blob/main/lora.safetensors

>>102093267
Use the trigger word

>>102093239
That's not bad, do you use any lora? t5?

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>>102093239
Very nice for your first prompt.

https://civitai.com/models/683222/spirited-away-ghibli-style-for-flux?modelVersionId=764708
How do you load Lykoris models on ComfyUi?

>>102093289
>Use the trigger word
what made you think that I didn't?

>>102093289
>That's not bad, do you use any lora? t5?
no lora, just flux1-dev-bnb-nf4-v2.safetensors no encoder

>>102093329
yes encoder
T5 and CLIP are in the nf4 checkpoint

>>102093365
Ah yes that was it, you are right. Brain still on vacation

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>>102092987
upscale with SD ultimate upscale, so technically gen it at that size but in chunks of 1024x1024 tiles

>>102092937
Damn that cleavage is nice, is flux starting to get unvirgined ?
Didn't follow much since it was released

>>102093422
you can make it completely NFSW with loras yes, the finetunes are going to be exquisite

haven't genned in months, how is SD3?

>>102093449
SD3 is dead, you missed the release of the best local model so far, Flux :(

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>Damn that cleavage is nice, is flux starting to get unvirgined ?

haven't genned in years, how is DeepDream?

>>102092980
>>102093410
Any chance for a prompt? I am a complete newbie, but your creations look leagues ahead of most other stuff.

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let's ride

>>102093247
Of course you can. Try it. Oh, wait, you can't gen anything because your computer is shit! HAHHAHAHAHAH

>>102093461
>Buttchin

>>102093456
wym by dead

>>102093512
>another Buttchin


listen guys if you gen a rostie with Buttchin DONT bother posting it here.
it looks like SHIT.

>>102093440
Oh there are finetunes in progress?

butchin lora when

>>102093461
lora I guess
last time I tried flux it had no idea what breast size even was, from small to big (didn't try huge not my thing), it all looked the same

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just made my first ai image don't know what half this stuff does but soon i'll be making my weird fetish porn

>>102093522
>>102093537
How do you avoid that samechin thing

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I want to train a local LoRA of a low key celebrity (unknown to FLUX)

What rank should I use?


The civitai default rank 2 gives accpetable results.
i have seen LoRAs with rank 8 perform worse then rank 2.

Is there any consensus yet?
Does it depend on the dtaset size?

Also people talk about not captioned datased performing better than Joy Caption datasets.

What is /ldg/ take?

>>102093618
iunno lol
anything you do will probably get okay results, but there's no consensus on a best practise yet

>>102093559
I don't know, I'm a bit surprised there's not a single grifter making a big announcement about his next finetune, because that alone can bring up some serious hype

>spend money renting gpu
>bake 500+ image dataset
>it looks worse than the 150 dataset I baked on my own gpu
well.. this is unfortunate
guess I have peace of mind not feeling like 'what if I used the giant dataset instead', but...

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My first FluxD lora, still not sure which checkpoint is the best as I can't get X Y plots to work with the Flux workflow and I refuse to do load them all in by hand and adjust the strength one by one. Which does lead to a question, does the best strength change as the lora matures?

It's supposed to be Caprice (2009 onwards) from 20 images

auraflow

>>102093680
>2009 onwards
I can tell. Sadly.

>>102093677
had the same when training on 15 pics vs 131 pics

this is why im now asking this >>102093618

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>>102093576
>last time I tried flux it had no idea what breast size even was
It does though, this is from another anon's prompt a while back:
>a photograph of 2 women laying on the grass. The woman on the left has small breasts, and a white tshirt that reads "2B is all you need" and the woman on the right has extremely large breasts and cleavage wearing a tshirt that says "Flux 12B"

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>>102093741
understanding translates to the lora

>>102093751
left side needs to remain flat for maximum mogging

>>102093736
I was training at 8/8 until an anon told me 32 dim trains faster, then I switch to 32. with 8/8 it took me til 30 epoch to be happy with it, with 32 it takes me til 10 epoch. big time saver. this was with a style lora though, I haven't tested character/concept yet

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>>102093741
>>102093576

which makes sese.

large tits in anime and IRL are very different things.

When prompted Large breasts FLUX gives me what I would call large breasts on a real friend. Not the pornost gigantic baloons.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8fBS1wDlo

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>>102093489
mostly you just describe what you want in natural language.. I evolve a prompt, add details by iteration, I started with " a gothic girl standing on black sand" and ended with
>Full frontal realistic erotic photo of a emo gothic girl. She is sitting next to a cannon of a huge armoured tank. There is black sand on an alien planet, the sky is purple, the ocean is orange. She is a young woman. She is wearing stockings and a garter belt and a tube top. She wears a very short mini skirt. She has a blonde high ponytail held by a black ribbon. She is wearing heels. She is very slim and fit. Her waist area is mechanical.

>She is lit brightly from the front with a fluorescent light making her skin reflective and shiny. There are lights in the ground that illuminate the girl from below.

>There is a spiral made out of digital code in the sky. Her left arm is a mechanical cyborg replacement with glowing red LEDs. She is making a V sign with her left hand.

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>>102093766
Thanks.

What about captioning.

This guy made a comparison and it looks like the No caption dataset performed better.

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>>102093788
aww she's even cuter on Y2k style

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>>102093824
Forgot the link. I'm an idiot.
https://civitai.com/articles/6868/flux-character-caption-differences-training-diary

>>102093782
Even normies would understand "extremely large breasts" as pornost gigantic balloons

>>102093641
Finetunes are probably out of the question for the foreseeable future.

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>>102093878
cute
>>102093882
this looks like poison

>>102093741
Weird all I get is random sizes, I'm not even complaining about "porn sizes", just that the adjectives I use could all be the same since it's randomized in my output.
I'll retry again once back home.

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hey would guy
would?

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>>102093905
>*Poinsn

>>102093797
Thanks a lot. And what's your stack - hardware, software, models?

>>102093559
Only the endless cycle
hopium copium

>>102093918
no tats, she's probably just a model and dresses normally outside work
I hate posers, so no

>>102093939
sad, a billion loras it is then

>>102093513
>nogen

>>102093960
what an emotional roller coaster

>>102093641
I don't think any of the local brewers are able to finetune a non-SD model

>>102093960
can't you just pretend
that's the whole point of fantasy, exploring things you wouldn't normally

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>>102093937
hardware - only the GPU counts: a 4090
sofware - like most here comfyUI .. a simple workflow with a double SDUltimateUpscale for 6x resolution if I want it
model - flux1.dev fp16 .. q8 would be fine to .. but heck why not run it at full if I can

>>102094005
pony dev could do that but he's too concerned about the licence, he said that if he can't make magic out of auraflow then he'll go for Flux Schnell

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYIxbHv5j0

>>102094024
Does he even have the dataset (properly captioned), and the compute to do so?

>>102094051
>Does he even have the dataset (properly captioned
he still has the dataset he used to make pony-v6 I guess

>>102094024
>he'll go for Flux Schnell
shit
on the bright side his data set is so massive that schnell's inadequacies will be trained away... just like he nuked what SDXL knew when training PonyXL

>>102094059
Yeah but the captions aren't usable for flux. He would need to redo them all in natural language, and have a caption tool able to describe stuff in details, even sexual.

>>102094051
not yet https://civitai.com/articles/6309

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>>102094080
less boobs, more lasagna

>>102094079
>Some additional work remains to confirm that all data is compliant with our safety framework, but at this point, largely everything has been completed. We'll release safety classifiers and a character codex post-V7 as part of our safety commitment.
talking about safety on a pony hentai finetune, he's a funny guy not gonna lie

>>102094125
this, the guy is delusional in his pseudo corporation talk.. he is making a fucking smut model that can do the most deprave shit known to mankind out of the box...

anon who is saying that activation words aren't working from his tests, can you please post an example of 1 image and its exact caption you used?

>>102094079
>InternVL2, specifically the 40B variant
Would that be usable locally ? I'd like to try it on some of my porn images to see if it actually describes positions or is just "this is sex"

>>102094125
>>102094157
I want to be charitable and say he writes that because he's on civitai, and there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.

>>102093855
The guy started tweaking the learning rate halfway through his tests, making the experimental data useless. We have no idea if his captioning strategies affected the learning at all because of this. What a dumbass.

>>102093855
This fucking retard changed learning rate settings between caption tests. His results are useless.

>>102094125
>>102094157
>>102094189
For one, "safety" surely means no pedo shit. Try to gen some on his model and you'll get an FBI uniform.

Anyone help me out?
Trying to make a femboy who's siting on a chair with his feet on the seat, wearing really short shorts.
I want to have the sissy's little cock peaking through the shorts leg but it feels impossible to do.
Is this what I need a lora for?

>>102094245
Post what you got so far (use catbox if it's NSFW).

>>102094189
>I want to be charitable and say he writes that because he's on civitai, and there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.
how new are you? the dude is full of himself, even comes to 4chan to trip and make snide remarks about it. got chased off /mlp/, too, I've heard (I'm not a faggot brony so thats only second hand). he pruned all artists, loli, characters he could find in the name of morals and safety (loli makes sense when you have photorealism but his previous model was pure cartoonslop - I don't like loli but it really wasn't a risk factor). meanwhile he keeps porn in of the child pony characters, on a porn model based on a children's cartoon. astratkike has an incredibly undeserved, overinflated ego and talks like he's gods gift to this world delivering all from the evils of wrongthink

>>102094189
>there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.
it means the outputs will produce safe zoophilia sex

>>102094245
d*bo moment

>>102094244
there are fucking ageslider loras for his model, I repeat, he is delusional or a fucking liar. Probably both

>>102094277
>there are fucking ageslider loras for his model
I don't believe you. Prove it with a link where I can download these so called loras.

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>>102094265
This is basically the closest I got
btw I know he doesn't look like a femboy, trying to get the ding dong right first.

the worst part about flux loras is that by the time training starts to really hit the spot, it learns any even minor artifacts in any of the dataset images and gets kinda pixelated. I wonder if thats why the base images are so uncanny valley smooth, or if its like that because they are. still prefer it to sdxl and never going back, but rip

>>102094189
everyone knows what safety means and it's the same safety that Civitai has for the images you're allowed to upload

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>>102094265
>>102094330
This here is ideally the angle I want to use though.

>>102094290
just type ageslider in fucking civitai
>https://civitai.com/models/402667/age-slider-lora-or-ponyxl-sdxl
if that exists all is void about "safety" in the horse fucker model

>>102094339
>the worst part about flux loras is that by the time training starts to really hit the spot, it learns any even minor artifacts in any of the dataset images and gets kinda pixelated.
so you stop the training before that point then?

>>102094366
that fixes the pixelation but it still lacks the lock-on it receives of the style/concept by that point, then, anon, that's the complaint??

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>>102094324
perfect

Anyone uses AMD? How was is it on dev?

>>102094266
>he pruned all artists, loli, characters he could find in the name of morals and safety
oh he's one of these schizos.

>>102094339
images with artifacts need to be properly captioned and it will associate the artifact with the caption, the model is ultimately learning how to associate parts of your caption with parts of your image, if parts of the image aren't captioned, it's generalized as a stylistic feature all images should have
you can experiment with this by training on watermarked stock images, one set set where you don't note it's watermarked and another set where you do note it's watermarked

>>102094409
he is, and he'll fall to irrelevancy if he continues to moralfag like that, someone else will take his place, do the fucking job and he'll be history

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>>102094397
figuring out how a shitty coomer lora affects Flux's prompt understanding is unexpectedly fun

>>102094244
But you could already do that without the help of additional loras. The loras just made it easier ....
It's literally a smut model, there's nothing "safe" about this

>>102094347
Depends, can be :
- loli/shota art
- loli/shota nsfw art
- just loli art
- just loli nsfw art
- actual photorealistic shit or kids in the dataset
- disney and known characters like that
- gore
- celebs
- whatever random thing the dude making the model isn't into

>>102094330
>>102094350
Is that Flux? What did you get in that part you censored?
The problem with Flux right now is that there's very little in terms of nsfw loras. But for the style you're going for, pony would do well. Peruse the pony models on civitai

>>102094455
it's likely to be artists, he already pruned a lot of them on v6, I lost all respect to him when he did that

>>102094455
if he's talking about it so much we know it's the most safe interpretation, you don't need to loudly say how safe your model will be if you're making common sense choices
he's already gone down the road of making it safe for artists

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>>102094360
At last I can take my loli gens and make them older. I've really needed this.
>>102094397
Alternate universe Armitage III vibes.

>>102094408
Depends on the card. On a 7900XT it was usable.

>>102094477
>>102094485
>no artists
>no loli/shota
>no celebs
Damn it anons, I just lost all interest in his work...

>>102094415
>you can experiment with this by training on watermarked stock images, one set set where you don't note it's watermarked and another set where you do note it's watermarked
I have always gotten watermark bleed even with 100% captioning on it if watermarks are included, the only way to stop it entirely is to remove the watermarks from the captioned data. I can't imagine it being any different from the subtle artifacts it picks up on, but I will confess I haven't tagged any of my images with 'artifacts' - I'll try it on my next run

>>102094499
I don't understand. A lot of the pictures in the example pictures show very young girls. I don't think this lora works well at all.

>>102094501
How many s/it on dev?

>>102094530
don't worry it was never going to materialize, he spent 4 months doing nothing, he's going to drag everyone along for a ride for the next 2 years

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>>102094499
>Alternate universe Armitage III vibes.
ya my tank girl goes shopping and the alien shop keeper is a strong negotiator

>>102094536
When everything is loaded, around 1.9-2 s/it

>>102094532
Call them what it is, whether it's "low quality image', "high compressed image", 'jpeg artifacts", etc

>>102094532
I can confirm. Watermarking bleeds like a motherfucker, even if you describe it in detail in every image, down to each word and URL in them.
>>102094550
I just watched it yesterday. What a great era that was for anime.

>>102094535
anon .. the range of that lora is -5 to 5 ... it goes in both directions

...

>>102094536
>>102094553
Oh, should also say, for 1024x1024.

>>102094546
And I guess no one else has the autism, talent and money to do something competing with it while not adding their pet anti this anti that obsessions.

>>102094553
>>102094580
What are you using? Comfy on windows?

>Aurashit
>Just so he can kikemax
>Further censorship
Yep into the trash it goes.
I can only see one way to actually have a good uncensored nsfw model now. It has to be a community effort, but is impossible when all the jeets and turkroaches only spam their patreon and steal other people's work.

>>102094616
unironically, the only way to get this would be to create a Lora-like method that actually acts as further training on the model, so that when everyone make their own "Lora-like" model, once you merge them all into the model it acted as if you finetuned the model with all the results of those loras, if that would be possible that would be amazing

>>102094615
Neat

>>102094597
comfy on loonix.
I sold it though, because I want to train. I think I was able to do that as well, but it was a while ago and I remember there being some limitations as to what you could do about it.

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>>102094589
The people who can do things are like BFL and the Pixart teams. No one sane with the skill wants to do a public NSFW model and we all know why.
- it costs a significant amount of resources to produce a model, resources that need to be recouped, so much serious teams are going to err on the approach that can be monetized
- there are personal risks to releasing AI models, whoever releases the omega uncensored model is going to catch a lot of flak

>>102094648
Yes that's possible, by making it actual opensource with the dataset available and the training data, but everyone is a kike bastard around here.

>>102094648
>create a Lora-like method that actually acts as further training on the model
That is what a lora is and the higher the rank the more precise the finetuning.
>once you merge them all into the model it acted as if you finetuned the model with all the results of those loras
If that was was good as finetuning Google/Meta/OpenAI/etc would be training their models massively in parallel with their gorillion training clusters since syncing wouldn't be an issue anymore but that's not how it works
>>102094702
it has nothing to do with the dataset being available or not

>>102094616
It's a dead end anyways, unless he's gotten better hardware he doesn't have the juice to full fine tune 7B parameters in a sane amount of time.

>>102094702
no, that was not what I had in mind, I was talking about a Lora, but different, a Lora that doesn't rape the weights but acts as further finetuning once you merge it to the model, so that everyone make their own "Lora-remix" by their own, and we can use all those individual effort to make a giant finetune

>>102094702
https://huggingface.co/datasets/tomg-group-umd/pixelprose
there you go, go train your model

>>102094693
>- there are personal risks to releasing AI models, whoever releases the omega uncensored model is going to catch a lot of flak
I'm pretty sure nowadays that plenty specialists in the field use their knowledge in private and anonymously, so nothing is impossible.

>>102094717
>If that was was good as finetuning Google/Meta/OpenAI/etc would be training their models massively in parallel with their gorillion training clusters since syncing wouldn't be an issue anymore but that's not how it works
yeah I know, that's why that's kind of an unachievable dream I have

>>102094743
Holy retard, go keep training your shitty model that can't generate a single woman.
Pixelshitter

>>102094764
yeah I'm sure someone (that isn't you) is going to make your super duper lora model

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>>102094743
>PixelProse is a comprehensive dataset of over 16M (million) synthetically generated captions

>>102094693
>>102094702
It will happen once the hardware and tech in general gets to the point where any random anon can make with 0 accountability.

>>102094790
where's your dataset of 1000 hand written captions?
I'm sure someone (that isn't you) is on the case of the open source hand written dataset

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>>102094572
>Watermarking bleeds like a motherfucker
Try: logo, transparent text, copyright text

>>102094790
Synthetic captions beat alt text training, see Flux and DALL-E 3. Don't look at SD3, it is shit for other reasons.

>>102094802
>It will happen once the hardware and tech in general gets to the point where any random anon can make with 0 accountability.
Nvdia will never let that happen, it's been 6 years and counting that they are nerfing the VRAM, since the RTX-Titan

>>102094831
If 5090s are 50% faster than 4090s like 4090s are to 3090s, yes, you will have some home grown small models.

>>102094813
I used things like:
>The logo "(name of the website)" is visible in the bottom right corner, indicating the source of the image.

>>102094845
It doesn't matter if it's still 24gb, you won't have enough memory to even begin the finetuning

>>102094813
>Try: logo, transparent text, copyright text
Have you ever actually tried to train that shit out of a dataset where it's on at least 25% of the images? Switching up keywords doesn't fix it, you could use any word you want, the AI would come to understand that word = those things at the same rate, just like using an activation word. To some extent, you cannot fix bleed, that is why having a clean, high quality dataset is priority unless you have no alternatives

>>102094845
Speed literally does not matter

>>102094853
Yes you do, you're just not finetuning a 12B model. You can do a 2B model on 28 GB of VRAM

>>102094864
You're literally retarded.

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>>102094868
>Yes you do, you're just not finetuning a 12B model.
So we're "just" not finetuning the best local model we have so far, yay...

>>102094864
speed literally does matter because at the end of the day it's steps/second
you don't need a batch size of 128 to train a model

>>102094892
Yet all the good models have big batch sizes. Curious.

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>>102090781
You do know there is a paper out on this you can read that talks about long CLIP in detail on what it does well and doesn't do well, right? Not sure why you guys tried and leaned so much on empirical testing when the paper several months ago already kinda spelled it out.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.15378
Fine detail isn't its strong suite, you can see for the medium prompts, all the long CLIP ones are less detailed with the foliage and plants than the original due to the nature of how the context was extented. The main attraction is the longer attention that allows you to cram in more details from the prompt itself globally so that if you had something like a swan on a lake but the prompt prior to describing the swan was too long, it would never generate the swan and longCLIP fixes that. It won't though give you super nice reflections on the lake or make the trees super detailed in return.

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fuck I can't make Miku as a neon drawing

>>102094666
What version of linux?

>>102094886
Holy shit parameters aren't the only thing that matters. That should be obvious with Florence2 being a 600m parameter model beating models 10 times its size at captions

>>102094912
>Holy shit parameters aren't the only thing that matters. That should be obvious with Florence2 being a 600m parameter model beating models 10 times its size at captions
say that to the LLM space they will laugh hard at your face, and the fact that the best local image model we have is a 12b model says it all

>>102094907
>the gentle breeze carries the fragrance of flowers
I can't smell anything.

>>102094079
>There's still some work needed to ensure these clusters don't closely mimic existing artists
Fuck ethics.
I don't want an ethical model.
I want a capable model.

>>102094911
Ubuntu 24.04

>>102094907
I don't give a fuck about papers, they all lie, when you look at the SD3 paper they claimed they beat dalle3 and Midjourney, at the end of the day they all exagerate their shit to make it look better than what's real

>>102094926
Yes anon, it's common knowledge that a specialist small model beats a large generalist model
You don't need a model that knows every concept under the sun which is ultimately what you get with your parameters. It's like saying a library is useless when it has only 1000 books you can read instead of 100,000.

>>102094846
well that sucks then. overfitted perhaps?

>>102094856
>Have you ever actually tried to train that shit out of a dataset where it's on at least 25% of the images?
I have datasets where it's on every image and doesn't bleed

>>102094927
this is dope

>>102094951
amen, fuck all those retards, especially a pony fucker that is giving us moral lessons

>>102094974
>Yes anon, it's common knowledge that a specialist small model beats a large generalist model
completely off topic, we all want our image base model to be good at everything, therefore be a generalist model, you just proved my point, we need parameters for image models

>>102094951
I want a capable model (that someone else will make).

>>102094982
>virtue-signaling, self-righteous degenerates
Many such cases. Sad!

>>102094817
This is Flux? Are you just prompting for it or using a lora for "stuck between breasts"?

>>102095004
you don't want a capable model anon?

>>102095004
Correct.

>>102095003
You don't need a generalist model you fucking retard. I bet you don't even prompt 5% of the domain of knowledge Flux has. So all that unused domain knowledge is actually wasted knowledge and you pay the price in performance.

>>102094961
I almost never evaluate papers based on metrics that rely on a sample or subjective judgement done by the paper itself. So yeah comparisons between SD3 and other image generators on the market were bunk as all hell and cherrypicked. But it wasn't like the SD3 paper, for example, lied about T5 being much better and the Diffusion Transformer was applicable in a way that could improve upon its predecessors.

>>102095004
Yes and when that happens I'm gonna make sure they get all my money.

>>102095034
Sure lmao

>>102095025
you're so retarded it's unbelievable, there's literally papers showing that variety of concepts is essential to make a model good, and yes, I want a model that can do more than just drawing Miku and Trump, educate yourself you fucking 2 digit IQ monkey before opening your mouth

>>102095042
Cry more brony retard.

>>102094873
>>102094892
50% faster means cutting training time down by 33%
so in your scenario there's someone who would wait a year for the 5090 to save a few months in training time at best, it's nonsensical

So much negativity...

>>102095042
Dude you are sexually excited by horses, you don't have any legitimacy to talk about safety shit

>>102095060
And the VRAM..?
I guarantee you NVidia will not give general customers anything more than 28GBs of VRAM

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Have y'all noticed barely anyone posts gens anymore? Flux is dead. It can only do wow images. It cannot be finetuned. It cannot be monetized. It is not truly open source.

>>102095027
what that anon really meant is that his attention span is too fried to even skim said papers for relevant info, let's be real. he even blazed past your entire point with the long clip paper that already demonstrates a non biased perspective of information (explaining what it's meant to be good at vs not/the long clip use case)

The only ACTUAL "safety" issues relate to 3DPD content.
There are ZERO actual safety issues related to a 2D model like Pony.
ZERO.
Drawings. Do. Not. Hurt. People.

>>102095082
That's the whole point, VRAM matters, speed doesn't

>>102093680
> (2009 onwards)
For what purpose?

>>102095104
nothing in an image model hurt people, it's just rearanging pixels

>>102095126
You are literally retarded.

>>102095084
I'm too busy training loras and testing settings to post gens. I must create something more than a mere single image, and I will perfect this craft on flux

>>102095104
Normalizing pedophilia, in the long run does hurt a lot of people, anon.

>>102095140
>no counterargument
>ad hominem
Looks like I win, that was easy.

>>102095134
Accurate, capable 3DPD models can certainly be used to hurt people in a legal and/or reputational sense - this is a safety issue.
2D models cannot be used to hurt people.

>>102095139
Taylor Swift is fugly and only jeets find her hot. There, I said it.

>>102095130
Probably because of image quality. But her "little caprice" years were the best.

>>102095157
>le fallacy

>>102095097
>what that anon really meant is that his attention span is too fried to even skim said papers for relevant info, let's be real
you know damn well that papers aren't genuine, the SD3 paper claimed that it beats dalle3 and Midjourney-V6, do you believe them? are you a retard anon?

>>102095155
THIS. That Overton window must not ever budge.

>>102095165
>Accurate, capable 3DPD models can certainly be used to hurt people in a legal and/or reputational sense - this is a safety issue.
you're talking about parody of actual people, and that's under the fair use

>2D models cannot be used to hurt people.
where are you been when all the artists were (and still are screaming) to their lungs that they're loosing customers (and therefore in big risk of loosing their jobs) because of AI? I'm not hypocritical, I know AI is hurting jobs hard, it happened for the coding monkeys, it happens for the artists aswell

>>102095060
>a few months is not a lot of time

>>102095222
well, it took the humanity 100 000 years to discover the transformers architecture, so a few months of wait isn't that bad compared to that

>>102095208
anon if you think society is going to tolerate what will be essentially x-ray glasses you're in for a surprise

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>>102095013
>there is a (object) stuck in her cleavage

>>102095155
That should be policed on an individual level not a model level, jfc. I hate pedos, I even hate loli, shota and teen shit, but I still don't want some literally deranged faggots drawing that line for me in a model. All it does is poison the data and slippery slope. Not even saying they need to include that shit, but the efforts they go to, to prevent wrong think lead us to cess like sd3s girl on grass. I'm tired. you see people genning , distributing or talking about that shit in a positive light, then you deal with them. It's as ridiculous as if camera creators started making new models incapable of taking photos of children "just incase" someone misuses them for some nefarious purpose.

>>102095166
yeah she's not the hottest, but training data has lots of her pics so I like to use her for testing models

>>102095248
why do you believe drawing will be tolerated aswell? a lot of artists will lose their jobs because of that, that's a valid reason to censor the model aswell

>>102095208
These people you're referring to are kicking a storm because they know they have no transferrable backup plan.

>>102095246
then what's 5 years for someone to train their own uncensored 12B model?

>>102095175
You're once again missing the entire point and strawmanning, I can only be led to believe your IQ is not in the triple digits

>>102095283
>I can only be led to believe your IQ is not in the triple digits
oh the irony

>>102095268
nice goal post move, do you believe x-ray glasses will be tolerated? yes or no
because an uncensored photorealistic model can in fact make people nude, instantly, on the fly
in fact you could wear AR goggles and see everyone nude around you

>>102095155
I want to stop normalizing the overuse of the word normalize

>>102095298
>nice goal post move,
excuse me? that was literally the intro of that topic
>>102095104
>Drawings. Do. Not. Hurt. People.

>>102095208
Generating blackmail content is not "fair use" or "parody."
Regarding causing artists to lose their jobs, I would say this is not an example of a model being used to hurt people in an intentional and moral sense.
Say I'm a professional athlete. I go out there and do my job well - well enough to take another athlete's starting job.
Am I hurting someone in an intentional and moral sense by doing this? Of course not. That other person did not lose their job because of my malicious action. They lost their job because they weren't good enough at their job to keep it.
Same with the artists thing.
An example of using a model to hurt people in an intentional and moral sense would be to generate an image with the specific intent of harming them legally or reputationally - as in generating an image, indistinguishable from a real image, showing that person doing something illegal or immoral. This is a legitimate safety issue.

>>102095130
Just in case noone knew who she was they could distinguish her from other models and perhaps rate the % likeness and by extension perhaps be interested in helping me and others make X Y multiple lora fed FluxD images for people making loras and having to work out whats the best checkpoint and strength.

Sadly it hasn't worked out so far.

>>102095208
>it happened for the coding monkeys
I got more work than ever thanks to being able to crank out shit code at lightning speed

>>102095270
anon, some of those artists spent years perfecting their craft, of course they don't have backup plan, they worked hard on one craft like we all do, you can't be an engineer and a heart surgeon, you have to chose

>>102095320
retard, bloo bloo luddite artists is not the same as proliferation of x-ray glasses
no one cared about cars replacing horses, that's technological progress
people do care about you nudifying their children

>>102095208
>I know AI is hurting jobs hard, it happened for the coding monkeys, it happens for the artists aswell
It's a complete and utter moral panic fabricated by both people scared of AI and AI companies because it made their models look more competent than it was.

>>102095268
Did you know that when cameras came out en masse painters threw the same shit fit? And yet, here they are... Actual quality and professional artists will thrive in spite of AI. The ones doing the most complaining were never making real money off their art and just want something to blame.

>>102095347
are you retarded or something? you went from "drawing do not hurting people" to "drawing do hurt people and that's a good thing"
What's your IQ anon? serious question

Nobody with experience using LLMs is scared of LLMs taking a significant number of jobs.
They're still fucking crap and incapable of actual thought. They're rudimentary mathematical prediction models which constantly hallucinate and are unreliable for professional use.

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>>102095323
Keep coping brony clown, you are done.
It doesn't make real people nude, it generates fake images, GENERATIVE MODELS CAN'T TRANSFORM REALITY FUCKING RETARD.
YOU CAN'T FUCKING USE AI IMAGES TO GET OUT OF JAIL.

>>102095254
You can't easily make cameras unable to take those pictures. But you can censor the models. It's not about "seeing people genning". As a society, you don't want that thing happening even behind closed doors. It normalizes sexualization of minors, and that invariably ends up with more lax laws over the years. Ideology spreads like a virus. It must be eradicated at its root whenever possible.

>>102095344
AI is not replacing artists any time soon, having a random image booru generator is not the same as having someone make art for a specific purpose
that's also discounting that most of you people do not possess one iota of artistic taste

>>102095222
Did you miss the part where you're waiting years for the 5090?

>>102095347
>no one cared about cars replacing horses, that's technological progress
Lmao read history books anon.
It was the same shit, every time a new thing appeared.

>>102095320
Drawings spread ideas. Ideas lead to all kinds of things. You don't allow bad ideas to flourish. What you are defending is a bad idea.

>>102095402
Gee anon I guess they were a minority

>>102095391
>having a random image booru generator is not the same as having someone make art for a specific purpose
Flux is getting really good, and it's only gonna improve, at some point we'll really replace good artists, let's not kid ourselves, that's our goal, to get image generators as good as the best artists

>>102095381
>Nobody with experience using LLMs is scared of LLMs taking a significant number of jobs.
This, they'll be good support and helpful assistants, but leaving everything to a transformer model is pure insanity.

>>102095386
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about or who you think you're replying to but at least one of those replies is not to the person who you think it is.
Judging by your judicious use of cruise control for cool, I think you need to calm down a bit bro.

>>102095391
>that's also discounting that most of you people do not possess one iota of artistic taste
neither do consoomers, and that's who's ultimately deciding who gets to keep his job

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>/ldg/ devolves into shit flinging
>/sdg/ is completely dead
We just can't have nice thing now can we

>>102095344
This is just as dense as the artists themselves. You mean to tell me all they can do is draw ...? They can't be a storyteller, make comics, talk about their daily lives and become an influencer (with all of the social media bickering they do this should be an easy one), make videos, teach people, etc??
These "artists" are losing their jobs because they're fucking incompetent.

>>102095155
And normalizing thought crime hurts a lot more. Time for you to pick your post-modern poison: drawn images or fascist thought policing. Your call...

>>102095399
I know this is difficult concept for someone who doesn't understand delayed gratification, but people often spend years on projects.

>>102095427
>These "artists" are losing their jobs because they're fucking incompetent.
and then the day we'll get an image model as good as the best artists, they'll all be incompetent and replaced, and everyone that have this drawing passion can kill themselves I suppose?

>>102095429
Fascist thought policing is not a bad thing. You only think it's bad because multibillionaires have indoctrinated you to defend their "freedom" to fuck you in the ass whenever they want with no possibility of being held accountable or regulated.

>>102095412
Flux is really good at generating random images somewhat related to the prompt you used, yes.
But go ahead anon, make a comic, a six panel comic that has a proper story.

Thoughtcrime is a slippery slope that ends in men being thrown in jail for taking naked pictures of their flat-chested 25-year-old wife.

>>102095461
They could already kill themselves
nobody with a "drawing passion" did it as a job

>>102095461
So much "passion" that they can't draw at all if they aren't making money

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>>102095463
>Fascist thought policing is not a bad thing

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>>102095424
It's 90% a single anon egging on any argument, opinion or controversy. If you lurk for a bit you start to pick up the pattern in their comments and non-arguments. In time most ldg users should come to recognize it and ignore/report as we do the other cess that slips out from sdg

>>102095420
When artists embrace AI it will be the same as was before, people like you will make your doodles in a corner and there will be a class of people who get paid for it professionally

>>102095482
you don't feed yourself and pay your bills with passion, and people who work hard to entertain people deserve money yes, and the sky is blue

>>102095461
There is no divine right to do anything and keep others from doing it anon.

>>102095486
>my npc programming makes me incapable of parsing these words
I understand, I truly do. But you can't argue against it. In your mind, thought policing is bad because tough policing is bad, and emotional conditioning is the only thing holding that together. You literally can't form a rational argument to why policing ideas for the wellbeing of a community is bad.
>because it's bad
>because look at what happened when x
That's as far as you will get.

>>102095461
Someone who knows what they're doing using an AI model will be better than someone who doesn't know what they're doing. All outputs aren't equal.

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>>102095501
Actual artists embracing AI as just part of a workflow is the natural evolution of actual art.

>>102094974
No, its better to have 1000 books than 100000 empty shelves.
https://youtu.be/yBL7J0kgldU?t=2222

>>102095449
And you can do the exact same project last year on a 4090 with just a little bit longer training? How are you the one to grandstand about delayed gratification?

>>102095511
You're right. That's why I don't make my "passion" my job. Welcome to the real world.

>>102095511
>and people who work hard to entertain people deserve money yes
No they don't, they deserve money for work they do if people are interested and are willing to pay, I don't owe money to a rando in the street singing something just because I happened to pass by him.

>>102095526
Okay, so you train on 4090s, and then 5090s come out and then you train even faster.
Wow.
You really got me.

>>102095522
If flux had nsfw baked I'd generate OL porn 24/7

>>102095516
To criminalize thought is utterly inhuman and abhorrent.
A man should not be judged by his thoughts but by his actions.

>>102095522
This. I have several artist friends I've trained Loras for and they now use it as part of their workflow to create new art, inspiration, etc.

Here we go, get that bread while it's hot...
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>>102095535
>That's why I don't make my "passion" my job. Welcome to the real world.
but the real world before gave the possibility to people that had passion to make a living of it, but nah, gotta force everyone to go on jobs they don't like because that's all we'll have left on this new AI world I guess, but hey, we can make funni Miku with our neuro machine so it's all worth it at the end!!

>>102095522
Of course, I don't even know why they fight it so hard, the tiny details (which AI is really good at) is actually the worst part of art and is the majority of the time you spend too.

>>102095516
I don't like your ideas, so shut up.
that was even easier than I thought

>>102095550
What the fuck are you even on about
The original point was that the 5090 would be a game changer even without a VRAM increase, which is clearly wrong

>>102095547
so you're telling me that art shouldn't be profitable at all? that's fucking retarded

>>102095585
Saving 33% on training time is a game changer, retard.

>>102095573
you sound like an underage faggot
- t. a real artist who gets paid for it and also uses ai

>>102095496
that's hilarious because I'm that anon and I haven't said anything

>>102095496
it's an llm, it was getting flagged as off-topic before. just report and ignore

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>>102095602
>you sound like an underage faggot
ironic.

>>102095598
If you wanted to make a great new model and you bought a 4090 at release, you'd probably be done by now
If you wait until the 5090 releases you'll be done in 2026 maybe
How is it so hard to comprehend

>>102095622
I'm real, anon.

>>102095655
Weird it's like I said someone is training on a 4090 and then they bought a 5090 and continued training.

>>102095573
Yeah. The illusion that you might "make it" and become a millionaire and be famous and rich. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. You know how many twitch streamers thinking the same thing, streaming to 1 viewer every day? You know how many artists who are probably really decent but they're only known by like 10 people tops? If you'd known how much backdeals and shortcuts these people are taking just to get through the barrier, not even to make money

>>102095573
>but the real world before gave the possibility to people that had passion to make a living of it
No it fucking didn't you retard
Where in the world can you draw passionate art for money
It's all soulless corporate slop, you either draw mountain dew bottles for marketing campaigns or shit that goes in gacha lootboxes

>>102095683
>The illusion that you might "make it" and become a millionaire and be famous and rich. Yeah, it doesn't work like that.
Strawman argument, at no point I wanted those artists to become millionaire

>>102095686
>Where in the world can you draw passionate art for money
??
https://www.artnews.com/list/art-news/artists/pablo-picasso-highest-auction-records-1234594915/