Discussion of free and open source text-to-image modelsPrevious /ldg/ bread : >>102088021>Beginner UIEasyDiffusion: https://easydiffusion.github.ioFooocus: https://github.com/lllyasviel/fooocusMetastable: https://metastable.studio>Advanced UIAutomatic1111: https://github.com/automatic1111/stable-diffusion-webuiComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUIForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forgeInvokeAI: https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAISD.Next: https://github.com/vladmandic/automaticSwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUI >Use a VAE if your images look washed outhttps://rentry.org/sdvae>Model Rankinghttps://imgsys.org/rankings>Models, LoRAs & traininghttps://civitai.comhttps://huggingface.cohttps://aitracker.arthttps://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerhttps://github.com/derrian-distro/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts>Fluxhttps://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnellhttps://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/flux>Pixart Sigma & Hunyuan DIThttps://huggingface.co/spaces/PixArt-alpha/PixArt-Sigmahttps://huggingface.co/spaces/Tencent-Hunyuan/HunyuanDiThttps://huggingface.co/comfyanonymous/hunyuan_dit_comfyuiNodes: https://github.com/city96/ComfyUI_ExtraModels>Index of guides and other toolshttps://rentry.org/sdg-linkhttps://rentry.org/rentrysd>GPU performancehttps://vladmandic.github.io/sd-extension-system-info/pages/benchmark.htmlhttps://docs.getgrist.com/3mjouqRSdkBY/sdperformance>Try online without registrationtxt2img: https://www.mage.spaceimg2img: https://huggingface.co/spaces/huggingface/diffuse-the-restsd3: https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion-3-medium>Maintain thread qualityhttps://rentry.org/debo>Related boards>>>/h/hdg>>>/e/edg>>>/c/kdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/b/degen>>>/vt/vtai>>>/aco/sdg>>>/u/udg>>>/trash/sdg
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>>102092937ty baker
>>102092980This one is really good. Do you upscale or gen at that size?
>Choose a random animal from this list: bear, fish, sparrow. Only one.>Depict it in pencil sketch style.>Add a caption to the drawing with the name of the animal.It seems to always choose the bear, but it totally ignores the fish and the sparrow. It's reasoning.
>>102092997change the order
>>102093002Buy a GPU.
>>102092997With 64 steps, it "chose" the bird, but no caption
flux1-dev-bnb-nf4-v2.safetensors best model for 3060 12gb?
>>102093013it drew a sparrow thenit's not reasoning.
>>102092812T5 uses capital letters, unlike CLIP. They are different tokens so concept bleeding is lessened.>>102092950NTA but embeddings can be new concepts as well, and the better the text encoder the more powerful the embeddings can beloras involve training millions of parameters that then modify the base modelan embedding can be just a few vectors, each with 768 parameters (for T5)>>102092922>The point here is that the text encoder knows what you mean. It doesn't follow the words blindly like previous models didwe're working with just the embeddings here, not the output so there is big difference to prompting LLMsNow try it without the "choose randomly" stuff, you'll see the same effect
>Depict the second animal in this list: bear, fish, sparrow.>In pencil sketch style.>Add a caption to the drawing with the name of the animal.This is reasoning. Is it not?
>>102093052>an embedding can be just a few vectors, each with 768 parameters (for T5)that's it? that's cool, I wonder no one is trying that out though? there's only one embedding of flux on civitaihttps://civitai.com/models/667037/fluxcliplsafetensors?modelVersionId=746528
>>102093111No, its following directions
There's no "script" input in SamplerCustomAdvanced, it's over.
>>102093029How long 20 steps dev takes on 12gb?
>>102093029Works well on my 8gb 3xxx card.
>>102093137120~ seconds at 1MP, raised exponentially for more pixels
>>102093111>no caption
>>102093113that is mislabeled, it is the CLIP encoder, not an embeddingI don't think there is a trainer for T5 embeddings, you can't even weigh the T5 prompt yetthe model using multiple encoders can also be a complication to training embeddings
>>102093152Well here goes, first flux gen. Random old prompt>>10209313730 steps, 1min 57seconds. Time to buy new hardware
You already know it's not reasoning because you can't positive-prompt a negative with flux
can someone try this lora? it didn't work for mehttps://huggingface.co/markredito/90sbadtrip/blob/main/lora.safetensors
>>102093267Use the trigger word>>102093239That's not bad, do you use any lora? t5?
>>102093239Very nice for your first prompt.
https://civitai.com/models/683222/spirited-away-ghibli-style-for-flux?modelVersionId=764708How do you load Lykoris models on ComfyUi?
>>102093289>Use the trigger wordwhat made you think that I didn't?
>>102093289>That's not bad, do you use any lora? t5?no lora, just flux1-dev-bnb-nf4-v2.safetensors no encoder
>>102093329yes encoderT5 and CLIP are in the nf4 checkpoint
>>102093365Ah yes that was it, you are right. Brain still on vacation
>>102092987upscale with SD ultimate upscale, so technically gen it at that size but in chunks of 1024x1024 tiles
>>102092937Damn that cleavage is nice, is flux starting to get unvirgined ?Didn't follow much since it was released
>>102093422you can make it completely NFSW with loras yes, the finetunes are going to be exquisite
haven't genned in months, how is SD3?
>>102093449SD3 is dead, you missed the release of the best local model so far, Flux :(
>Damn that cleavage is nice, is flux starting to get unvirgined ?
haven't genned in years, how is DeepDream?
>>102092980>>102093410Any chance for a prompt? I am a complete newbie, but your creations look leagues ahead of most other stuff.
let's ride
>>102093247Of course you can. Try it. Oh, wait, you can't gen anything because your computer is shit! HAHHAHAHAHAH
>>102093461>Buttchin
>>102093456wym by dead
>>102093512>another Buttchinlisten guys if you gen a rostie with Buttchin DONT bother posting it here.it looks like SHIT.
>>102093440Oh there are finetunes in progress?
butchin lora when
>>102093461lora I guesslast time I tried flux it had no idea what breast size even was, from small to big (didn't try huge not my thing), it all looked the same
just made my first ai image don't know what half this stuff does but soon i'll be making my weird fetish porn
>>102093522>>102093537How do you avoid that samechin thing
I want to train a local LoRA of a low key celebrity (unknown to FLUX)What rank should I use?The civitai default rank 2 gives accpetable results.i have seen LoRAs with rank 8 perform worse then rank 2.Is there any consensus yet?Does it depend on the dtaset size?Also people talk about not captioned datased performing better than Joy Caption datasets.What is /ldg/ take?
>>102093618iunno lolanything you do will probably get okay results, but there's no consensus on a best practise yet
>>102093559I don't know, I'm a bit surprised there's not a single grifter making a big announcement about his next finetune, because that alone can bring up some serious hype
>spend money renting gpu>bake 500+ image dataset>it looks worse than the 150 dataset I baked on my own gpuwell.. this is unfortunate guess I have peace of mind not feeling like 'what if I used the giant dataset instead', but...
My first FluxD lora, still not sure which checkpoint is the best as I can't get X Y plots to work with the Flux workflow and I refuse to do load them all in by hand and adjust the strength one by one. Which does lead to a question, does the best strength change as the lora matures?It's supposed to be Caprice (2009 onwards) from 20 images
auraflow
>>102093680>2009 onwardsI can tell. Sadly.
>>102093677had the same when training on 15 pics vs 131 picsthis is why im now asking this >>102093618
>>102093576>last time I tried flux it had no idea what breast size even wasIt does though, this is from another anon's prompt a while back:>a photograph of 2 women laying on the grass. The woman on the left has small breasts, and a white tshirt that reads "2B is all you need" and the woman on the right has extremely large breasts and cleavage wearing a tshirt that says "Flux 12B"
>>102093741understanding translates to the lora
>>102093751left side needs to remain flat for maximum mogging
>>102093736I was training at 8/8 until an anon told me 32 dim trains faster, then I switch to 32. with 8/8 it took me til 30 epoch to be happy with it, with 32 it takes me til 10 epoch. big time saver. this was with a style lora though, I haven't tested character/concept yet
>>102093741>>102093576which makes sese.large tits in anime and IRL are very different things.When prompted Large breasts FLUX gives me what I would call large breasts on a real friend. Not the pornost gigantic baloons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8fBS1wDlo
>>102093489mostly you just describe what you want in natural language.. I evolve a prompt, add details by iteration, I started with " a gothic girl standing on black sand" and ended with>Full frontal realistic erotic photo of a emo gothic girl. She is sitting next to a cannon of a huge armoured tank. There is black sand on an alien planet, the sky is purple, the ocean is orange. She is a young woman. She is wearing stockings and a garter belt and a tube top. She wears a very short mini skirt. She has a blonde high ponytail held by a black ribbon. She is wearing heels. She is very slim and fit. Her waist area is mechanical.>She is lit brightly from the front with a fluorescent light making her skin reflective and shiny. There are lights in the ground that illuminate the girl from below. >There is a spiral made out of digital code in the sky. Her left arm is a mechanical cyborg replacement with glowing red LEDs. She is making a V sign with her left hand.
>>102093766Thanks.What about captioning.This guy made a comparison and it looks like the No caption dataset performed better.
>>102093788aww she's even cuter on Y2k style
>>102093824Forgot the link. I'm an idiot.https://civitai.com/articles/6868/flux-character-caption-differences-training-diary
>>102093782Even normies would understand "extremely large breasts" as pornost gigantic balloons
>>102093641Finetunes are probably out of the question for the foreseeable future.
>>102093878cute>>102093882this looks like poison
>>102093741Weird all I get is random sizes, I'm not even complaining about "porn sizes", just that the adjectives I use could all be the same since it's randomized in my output.I'll retry again once back home.
hey would guywould?
>>102093905>*Poinsn
>>102093797Thanks a lot. And what's your stack - hardware, software, models?
>>102093559Only the endless cyclehopium copium
>>102093918no tats, she's probably just a model and dresses normally outside workI hate posers, so no
>>102093939sad, a billion loras it is then
>>102093513>nogen
>>102093960what an emotional roller coaster
>>102093641I don't think any of the local brewers are able to finetune a non-SD model
>>102093960can't you just pretendthat's the whole point of fantasy, exploring things you wouldn't normally
>>102093937hardware - only the GPU counts: a 4090sofware - like most here comfyUI .. a simple workflow with a double SDUltimateUpscale for 6x resolution if I want itmodel - flux1.dev fp16 .. q8 would be fine to .. but heck why not run it at full if I can
>>102094005pony dev could do that but he's too concerned about the licence, he said that if he can't make magic out of auraflow then he'll go for Flux Schnell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYIxbHv5j0
>>102094024Does he even have the dataset (properly captioned), and the compute to do so?
>>102094051>Does he even have the dataset (properly captionedhe still has the dataset he used to make pony-v6 I guess
>>102094024>he'll go for Flux Schnellshiton the bright side his data set is so massive that schnell's inadequacies will be trained away... just like he nuked what SDXL knew when training PonyXL
>>102094059Yeah but the captions aren't usable for flux. He would need to redo them all in natural language, and have a caption tool able to describe stuff in details, even sexual.
>>102094051not yet https://civitai.com/articles/6309
>>102094080less boobs, more lasagna
>>102094079>Some additional work remains to confirm that all data is compliant with our safety framework, but at this point, largely everything has been completed. We'll release safety classifiers and a character codex post-V7 as part of our safety commitment.talking about safety on a pony hentai finetune, he's a funny guy not gonna lie
>>102094125this, the guy is delusional in his pseudo corporation talk.. he is making a fucking smut model that can do the most deprave shit known to mankind out of the box...
anon who is saying that activation words aren't working from his tests, can you please post an example of 1 image and its exact caption you used?
>>102094079>InternVL2, specifically the 40B variantWould that be usable locally ? I'd like to try it on some of my porn images to see if it actually describes positions or is just "this is sex">>102094125>>102094157I want to be charitable and say he writes that because he's on civitai, and there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.
>>102093855The guy started tweaking the learning rate halfway through his tests, making the experimental data useless. We have no idea if his captioning strategies affected the learning at all because of this. What a dumbass.
>>102093855This fucking retard changed learning rate settings between caption tests. His results are useless.
>>102094125>>102094157>>102094189For one, "safety" surely means no pedo shit. Try to gen some on his model and you'll get an FBI uniform.
Anyone help me out? Trying to make a femboy who's siting on a chair with his feet on the seat, wearing really short shorts. I want to have the sissy's little cock peaking through the shorts leg but it feels impossible to do. Is this what I need a lora for?
>>102094245Post what you got so far (use catbox if it's NSFW).
>>102094189>I want to be charitable and say he writes that because he's on civitai, and there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.how new are you? the dude is full of himself, even comes to 4chan to trip and make snide remarks about it. got chased off /mlp/, too, I've heard (I'm not a faggot brony so thats only second hand). he pruned all artists, loli, characters he could find in the name of morals and safety (loli makes sense when you have photorealism but his previous model was pure cartoonslop - I don't like loli but it really wasn't a risk factor). meanwhile he keeps porn in of the child pony characters, on a porn model based on a children's cartoon. astratkike has an incredibly undeserved, overinflated ego and talks like he's gods gift to this world delivering all from the evils of wrongthink
>>102094189>there is zero details on what "safety" he even means.it means the outputs will produce safe zoophilia sex
>>102094245d*bo moment
>>102094244there are fucking ageslider loras for his model, I repeat, he is delusional or a fucking liar. Probably both
>>102094277>there are fucking ageslider loras for his modelI don't believe you. Prove it with a link where I can download these so called loras.
>>102094094
>>102094265This is basically the closest I gotbtw I know he doesn't look like a femboy, trying to get the ding dong right first.
the worst part about flux loras is that by the time training starts to really hit the spot, it learns any even minor artifacts in any of the dataset images and gets kinda pixelated. I wonder if thats why the base images are so uncanny valley smooth, or if its like that because they are. still prefer it to sdxl and never going back, but rip
>>102094189everyone knows what safety means and it's the same safety that Civitai has for the images you're allowed to upload
>>102094265>>102094330This here is ideally the angle I want to use though.
>>102094290just type ageslider in fucking civitai >https://civitai.com/models/402667/age-slider-lora-or-ponyxl-sdxlif that exists all is void about "safety" in the horse fucker model
>>102094339>the worst part about flux loras is that by the time training starts to really hit the spot, it learns any even minor artifacts in any of the dataset images and gets kinda pixelated.so you stop the training before that point then?
>>102094366that fixes the pixelation but it still lacks the lock-on it receives of the style/concept by that point, then, anon, that's the complaint??
>>102094324perfect
Anyone uses AMD? How was is it on dev?
>>102094266>he pruned all artists, loli, characters he could find in the name of morals and safetyoh he's one of these schizos.
>>102094339images with artifacts need to be properly captioned and it will associate the artifact with the caption, the model is ultimately learning how to associate parts of your caption with parts of your image, if parts of the image aren't captioned, it's generalized as a stylistic feature all images should haveyou can experiment with this by training on watermarked stock images, one set set where you don't note it's watermarked and another set where you do note it's watermarked
>>102094409he is, and he'll fall to irrelevancy if he continues to moralfag like that, someone else will take his place, do the fucking job and he'll be history
>>102094397figuring out how a shitty coomer lora affects Flux's prompt understanding is unexpectedly fun
>>102094244But you could already do that without the help of additional loras. The loras just made it easier ....It's literally a smut model, there's nothing "safe" about this
>>102094347Depends, can be : - loli/shota art- loli/shota nsfw art- just loli art- just loli nsfw art- actual photorealistic shit or kids in the dataset- disney and known characters like that- gore- celebs- whatever random thing the dude making the model isn't into
>>102094330>>102094350Is that Flux? What did you get in that part you censored?The problem with Flux right now is that there's very little in terms of nsfw loras. But for the style you're going for, pony would do well. Peruse the pony models on civitai
>>102094455it's likely to be artists, he already pruned a lot of them on v6, I lost all respect to him when he did that
>>102094455if he's talking about it so much we know it's the most safe interpretation, you don't need to loudly say how safe your model will be if you're making common sense choiceshe's already gone down the road of making it safe for artists
>>102094360At last I can take my loli gens and make them older. I've really needed this.>>102094397Alternate universe Armitage III vibes.
>>102094408Depends on the card. On a 7900XT it was usable.
>>102094477>>102094485>no artists>no loli/shota>no celebsDamn it anons, I just lost all interest in his work...
>>102094415>you can experiment with this by training on watermarked stock images, one set set where you don't note it's watermarked and another set where you do note it's watermarkedI have always gotten watermark bleed even with 100% captioning on it if watermarks are included, the only way to stop it entirely is to remove the watermarks from the captioned data. I can't imagine it being any different from the subtle artifacts it picks up on, but I will confess I haven't tagged any of my images with 'artifacts' - I'll try it on my next run
>>102094499I don't understand. A lot of the pictures in the example pictures show very young girls. I don't think this lora works well at all.
>>102094501How many s/it on dev?
>>102094530don't worry it was never going to materialize, he spent 4 months doing nothing, he's going to drag everyone along for a ride for the next 2 years
>>102094499>Alternate universe Armitage III vibes.ya my tank girl goes shopping and the alien shop keeper is a strong negotiator
>>102094536When everything is loaded, around 1.9-2 s/it
>>102094532Call them what it is, whether it's "low quality image', "high compressed image", 'jpeg artifacts", etc
>>102094532I can confirm. Watermarking bleeds like a motherfucker, even if you describe it in detail in every image, down to each word and URL in them.>>102094550I just watched it yesterday. What a great era that was for anime.
>>102094535anon .. the range of that lora is -5 to 5 ... it goes in both directions ...
>>102094536>>102094553Oh, should also say, for 1024x1024.
>>102094546And I guess no one else has the autism, talent and money to do something competing with it while not adding their pet anti this anti that obsessions.
>>102094553>>102094580What are you using? Comfy on windows?
>Aurashit>Just so he can kikemax>Further censorshipYep into the trash it goes.I can only see one way to actually have a good uncensored nsfw model now. It has to be a community effort, but is impossible when all the jeets and turkroaches only spam their patreon and steal other people's work.
>>102094616unironically, the only way to get this would be to create a Lora-like method that actually acts as further training on the model, so that when everyone make their own "Lora-like" model, once you merge them all into the model it acted as if you finetuned the model with all the results of those loras, if that would be possible that would be amazing
>>102094615Neat
>>102094597comfy on loonix.I sold it though, because I want to train. I think I was able to do that as well, but it was a while ago and I remember there being some limitations as to what you could do about it.
>>102094574
>>102094589The people who can do things are like BFL and the Pixart teams. No one sane with the skill wants to do a public NSFW model and we all know why.- it costs a significant amount of resources to produce a model, resources that need to be recouped, so much serious teams are going to err on the approach that can be monetized- there are personal risks to releasing AI models, whoever releases the omega uncensored model is going to catch a lot of flak
>>102094648Yes that's possible, by making it actual opensource with the dataset available and the training data, but everyone is a kike bastard around here.
>>102094648>create a Lora-like method that actually acts as further training on the modelThat is what a lora is and the higher the rank the more precise the finetuning.>once you merge them all into the model it acted as if you finetuned the model with all the results of those lorasIf that was was good as finetuning Google/Meta/OpenAI/etc would be training their models massively in parallel with their gorillion training clusters since syncing wouldn't be an issue anymore but that's not how it works>>102094702it has nothing to do with the dataset being available or not
>>102094616It's a dead end anyways, unless he's gotten better hardware he doesn't have the juice to full fine tune 7B parameters in a sane amount of time.
>>102094702no, that was not what I had in mind, I was talking about a Lora, but different, a Lora that doesn't rape the weights but acts as further finetuning once you merge it to the model, so that everyone make their own "Lora-remix" by their own, and we can use all those individual effort to make a giant finetune
>>102094702https://huggingface.co/datasets/tomg-group-umd/pixelprosethere you go, go train your model
>>102094693>- there are personal risks to releasing AI models, whoever releases the omega uncensored model is going to catch a lot of flakI'm pretty sure nowadays that plenty specialists in the field use their knowledge in private and anonymously, so nothing is impossible.
>>102094717>If that was was good as finetuning Google/Meta/OpenAI/etc would be training their models massively in parallel with their gorillion training clusters since syncing wouldn't be an issue anymore but that's not how it worksyeah I know, that's why that's kind of an unachievable dream I have
>>102094743Holy retard, go keep training your shitty model that can't generate a single woman.Pixelshitter
>>102094764yeah I'm sure someone (that isn't you) is going to make your super duper lora model
>>102094743>PixelProse is a comprehensive dataset of over 16M (million) synthetically generated captions
>>102094693>>102094702It will happen once the hardware and tech in general gets to the point where any random anon can make with 0 accountability.
>>102094790where's your dataset of 1000 hand written captions?I'm sure someone (that isn't you) is on the case of the open source hand written dataset
>>102094572>Watermarking bleeds like a motherfuckerTry: logo, transparent text, copyright text
>>102094790Synthetic captions beat alt text training, see Flux and DALL-E 3. Don't look at SD3, it is shit for other reasons.
>>102094802>It will happen once the hardware and tech in general gets to the point where any random anon can make with 0 accountability.Nvdia will never let that happen, it's been 6 years and counting that they are nerfing the VRAM, since the RTX-Titan
>>102094831If 5090s are 50% faster than 4090s like 4090s are to 3090s, yes, you will have some home grown small models.
>>102094813I used things like:>The logo "(name of the website)" is visible in the bottom right corner, indicating the source of the image.
>>102094845It doesn't matter if it's still 24gb, you won't have enough memory to even begin the finetuning
>>102094813>Try: logo, transparent text, copyright textHave you ever actually tried to train that shit out of a dataset where it's on at least 25% of the images? Switching up keywords doesn't fix it, you could use any word you want, the AI would come to understand that word = those things at the same rate, just like using an activation word. To some extent, you cannot fix bleed, that is why having a clean, high quality dataset is priority unless you have no alternatives
>>102094845Speed literally does not matter
>>102094853Yes you do, you're just not finetuning a 12B model. You can do a 2B model on 28 GB of VRAM
>>102094864You're literally retarded.
>>102094861
>>102094868>Yes you do, you're just not finetuning a 12B model.So we're "just" not finetuning the best local model we have so far, yay...
>>102094864speed literally does matter because at the end of the day it's steps/secondyou don't need a batch size of 128 to train a model
>>102094892Yet all the good models have big batch sizes. Curious.
>>102090781You do know there is a paper out on this you can read that talks about long CLIP in detail on what it does well and doesn't do well, right? Not sure why you guys tried and leaned so much on empirical testing when the paper several months ago already kinda spelled it out.https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.15378Fine detail isn't its strong suite, you can see for the medium prompts, all the long CLIP ones are less detailed with the foliage and plants than the original due to the nature of how the context was extented. The main attraction is the longer attention that allows you to cram in more details from the prompt itself globally so that if you had something like a swan on a lake but the prompt prior to describing the swan was too long, it would never generate the swan and longCLIP fixes that. It won't though give you super nice reflections on the lake or make the trees super detailed in return.
fuck I can't make Miku as a neon drawing
>>102094666What version of linux?
>>102094886Holy shit parameters aren't the only thing that matters. That should be obvious with Florence2 being a 600m parameter model beating models 10 times its size at captions
>>102094912>Holy shit parameters aren't the only thing that matters. That should be obvious with Florence2 being a 600m parameter model beating models 10 times its size at captionssay that to the LLM space they will laugh hard at your face, and the fact that the best local image model we have is a 12b model says it all
>>102094907>the gentle breeze carries the fragrance of flowersI can't smell anything.
>>102094079>There's still some work needed to ensure these clusters don't closely mimic existing artistsFuck ethics.I don't want an ethical model.I want a capable model.
>>102094911Ubuntu 24.04
>>102094907I don't give a fuck about papers, they all lie, when you look at the SD3 paper they claimed they beat dalle3 and Midjourney, at the end of the day they all exagerate their shit to make it look better than what's real
>>102094926Yes anon, it's common knowledge that a specialist small model beats a large generalist modelYou don't need a model that knows every concept under the sun which is ultimately what you get with your parameters. It's like saying a library is useless when it has only 1000 books you can read instead of 100,000.
>>102094846well that sucks then. overfitted perhaps?>>102094856>Have you ever actually tried to train that shit out of a dataset where it's on at least 25% of the images?I have datasets where it's on every image and doesn't bleed
>>102094927this is dope
>>102094951amen, fuck all those retards, especially a pony fucker that is giving us moral lessons
>>102094974>Yes anon, it's common knowledge that a specialist small model beats a large generalist modelcompletely off topic, we all want our image base model to be good at everything, therefore be a generalist model, you just proved my point, we need parameters for image models
>>102094951I want a capable model (that someone else will make).
>>102094982>virtue-signaling, self-righteous degeneratesMany such cases. Sad!
>>102094817This is Flux? Are you just prompting for it or using a lora for "stuck between breasts"?
>>102095004you don't want a capable model anon?
>>102095004Correct.
>>102095003You don't need a generalist model you fucking retard. I bet you don't even prompt 5% of the domain of knowledge Flux has. So all that unused domain knowledge is actually wasted knowledge and you pay the price in performance.
>>102094961I almost never evaluate papers based on metrics that rely on a sample or subjective judgement done by the paper itself. So yeah comparisons between SD3 and other image generators on the market were bunk as all hell and cherrypicked. But it wasn't like the SD3 paper, for example, lied about T5 being much better and the Diffusion Transformer was applicable in a way that could improve upon its predecessors.
>>102095004Yes and when that happens I'm gonna make sure they get all my money.
>>102095034Sure lmao
>>102095025you're so retarded it's unbelievable, there's literally papers showing that variety of concepts is essential to make a model good, and yes, I want a model that can do more than just drawing Miku and Trump, educate yourself you fucking 2 digit IQ monkey before opening your mouth
>>102095042Cry more brony retard.
>>102094873>>10209489250% faster means cutting training time down by 33%so in your scenario there's someone who would wait a year for the 5090 to save a few months in training time at best, it's nonsensical
So much negativity...
>>102095042Dude you are sexually excited by horses, you don't have any legitimacy to talk about safety shit
>>102095060And the VRAM..?I guarantee you NVidia will not give general customers anything more than 28GBs of VRAM
Have y'all noticed barely anyone posts gens anymore? Flux is dead. It can only do wow images. It cannot be finetuned. It cannot be monetized. It is not truly open source.
>>102095027what that anon really meant is that his attention span is too fried to even skim said papers for relevant info, let's be real. he even blazed past your entire point with the long clip paper that already demonstrates a non biased perspective of information (explaining what it's meant to be good at vs not/the long clip use case)
The only ACTUAL "safety" issues relate to 3DPD content.There are ZERO actual safety issues related to a 2D model like Pony.ZERO.Drawings. Do. Not. Hurt. People.
>>102095082That's the whole point, VRAM matters, speed doesn't
>>102093680> (2009 onwards)For what purpose?
>>102095104nothing in an image model hurt people, it's just rearanging pixels
>>102095126You are literally retarded.
>>102095084I'm too busy training loras and testing settings to post gens. I must create something more than a mere single image, and I will perfect this craft on flux
>>102095104Normalizing pedophilia, in the long run does hurt a lot of people, anon.
>>102095140>no counterargument>ad hominemLooks like I win, that was easy.
>>102095134Accurate, capable 3DPD models can certainly be used to hurt people in a legal and/or reputational sense - this is a safety issue.2D models cannot be used to hurt people.
>>102095139Taylor Swift is fugly and only jeets find her hot. There, I said it.
>>102095130Probably because of image quality. But her "little caprice" years were the best.
>>102095157>le fallacy
>>102095097>what that anon really meant is that his attention span is too fried to even skim said papers for relevant info, let's be realyou know damn well that papers aren't genuine, the SD3 paper claimed that it beats dalle3 and Midjourney-V6, do you believe them? are you a retard anon?
>>102095155THIS. That Overton window must not ever budge.
>>102095165>Accurate, capable 3DPD models can certainly be used to hurt people in a legal and/or reputational sense - this is a safety issue.you're talking about parody of actual people, and that's under the fair use>2D models cannot be used to hurt people.where are you been when all the artists were (and still are screaming) to their lungs that they're loosing customers (and therefore in big risk of loosing their jobs) because of AI? I'm not hypocritical, I know AI is hurting jobs hard, it happened for the coding monkeys, it happens for the artists aswell
>>102095060>a few months is not a lot of time
>>102095222well, it took the humanity 100 000 years to discover the transformers architecture, so a few months of wait isn't that bad compared to that
>>102095208anon if you think society is going to tolerate what will be essentially x-ray glasses you're in for a surprise
>>102095013>there is a (object) stuck in her cleavage
>>102095155That should be policed on an individual level not a model level, jfc. I hate pedos, I even hate loli, shota and teen shit, but I still don't want some literally deranged faggots drawing that line for me in a model. All it does is poison the data and slippery slope. Not even saying they need to include that shit, but the efforts they go to, to prevent wrong think lead us to cess like sd3s girl on grass. I'm tired. you see people genning , distributing or talking about that shit in a positive light, then you deal with them. It's as ridiculous as if camera creators started making new models incapable of taking photos of children "just incase" someone misuses them for some nefarious purpose.
>>102095166yeah she's not the hottest, but training data has lots of her pics so I like to use her for testing models
>>102095248why do you believe drawing will be tolerated aswell? a lot of artists will lose their jobs because of that, that's a valid reason to censor the model aswell
>>102095208These people you're referring to are kicking a storm because they know they have no transferrable backup plan.
>>102095246then what's 5 years for someone to train their own uncensored 12B model?
>>102095175You're once again missing the entire point and strawmanning, I can only be led to believe your IQ is not in the triple digits
>>102095283>I can only be led to believe your IQ is not in the triple digitsoh the irony
>>102095268nice goal post move, do you believe x-ray glasses will be tolerated? yes or nobecause an uncensored photorealistic model can in fact make people nude, instantly, on the flyin fact you could wear AR goggles and see everyone nude around you
>>102095155I want to stop normalizing the overuse of the word normalize
>>102095298>nice goal post move,excuse me? that was literally the intro of that topic>>102095104>Drawings. Do. Not. Hurt. People.
>>102095208Generating blackmail content is not "fair use" or "parody."Regarding causing artists to lose their jobs, I would say this is not an example of a model being used to hurt people in an intentional and moral sense.Say I'm a professional athlete. I go out there and do my job well - well enough to take another athlete's starting job.Am I hurting someone in an intentional and moral sense by doing this? Of course not. That other person did not lose their job because of my malicious action. They lost their job because they weren't good enough at their job to keep it.Same with the artists thing.An example of using a model to hurt people in an intentional and moral sense would be to generate an image with the specific intent of harming them legally or reputationally - as in generating an image, indistinguishable from a real image, showing that person doing something illegal or immoral. This is a legitimate safety issue.
>>102095130Just in case noone knew who she was they could distinguish her from other models and perhaps rate the % likeness and by extension perhaps be interested in helping me and others make X Y multiple lora fed FluxD images for people making loras and having to work out whats the best checkpoint and strength.Sadly it hasn't worked out so far.
>>102095208>it happened for the coding monkeysI got more work than ever thanks to being able to crank out shit code at lightning speed
>>102095270anon, some of those artists spent years perfecting their craft, of course they don't have backup plan, they worked hard on one craft like we all do, you can't be an engineer and a heart surgeon, you have to chose
>>102095320retard, bloo bloo luddite artists is not the same as proliferation of x-ray glassesno one cared about cars replacing horses, that's technological progresspeople do care about you nudifying their children
>>102095208>I know AI is hurting jobs hard, it happened for the coding monkeys, it happens for the artists aswellIt's a complete and utter moral panic fabricated by both people scared of AI and AI companies because it made their models look more competent than it was.
>>102095268Did you know that when cameras came out en masse painters threw the same shit fit? And yet, here they are... Actual quality and professional artists will thrive in spite of AI. The ones doing the most complaining were never making real money off their art and just want something to blame.
>>102095347are you retarded or something? you went from "drawing do not hurting people" to "drawing do hurt people and that's a good thing"What's your IQ anon? serious question
Nobody with experience using LLMs is scared of LLMs taking a significant number of jobs.They're still fucking crap and incapable of actual thought. They're rudimentary mathematical prediction models which constantly hallucinate and are unreliable for professional use.
>>102095298>>102095323Keep coping brony clown, you are done.It doesn't make real people nude, it generates fake images, GENERATIVE MODELS CAN'T TRANSFORM REALITY FUCKING RETARD.YOU CAN'T FUCKING USE AI IMAGES TO GET OUT OF JAIL.
>>102095254You can't easily make cameras unable to take those pictures. But you can censor the models. It's not about "seeing people genning". As a society, you don't want that thing happening even behind closed doors. It normalizes sexualization of minors, and that invariably ends up with more lax laws over the years. Ideology spreads like a virus. It must be eradicated at its root whenever possible.
>>102095344AI is not replacing artists any time soon, having a random image booru generator is not the same as having someone make art for a specific purposethat's also discounting that most of you people do not possess one iota of artistic taste
>>102095222Did you miss the part where you're waiting years for the 5090?
>>102095347>no one cared about cars replacing horses, that's technological progressLmao read history books anon.It was the same shit, every time a new thing appeared.
>>102095320Drawings spread ideas. Ideas lead to all kinds of things. You don't allow bad ideas to flourish. What you are defending is a bad idea.
>>102095402Gee anon I guess they were a minority
>>102095391>having a random image booru generator is not the same as having someone make art for a specific purposeFlux is getting really good, and it's only gonna improve, at some point we'll really replace good artists, let's not kid ourselves, that's our goal, to get image generators as good as the best artists
>>102095381>Nobody with experience using LLMs is scared of LLMs taking a significant number of jobs.This, they'll be good support and helpful assistants, but leaving everything to a transformer model is pure insanity.
>>102095386I have no fucking idea what you're talking about or who you think you're replying to but at least one of those replies is not to the person who you think it is.Judging by your judicious use of cruise control for cool, I think you need to calm down a bit bro.
>>102095391>that's also discounting that most of you people do not possess one iota of artistic tasteneither do consoomers, and that's who's ultimately deciding who gets to keep his job
>/ldg/ devolves into shit flinging>/sdg/ is completely deadWe just can't have nice thing now can we
>>102095344This is just as dense as the artists themselves. You mean to tell me all they can do is draw ...? They can't be a storyteller, make comics, talk about their daily lives and become an influencer (with all of the social media bickering they do this should be an easy one), make videos, teach people, etc??These "artists" are losing their jobs because they're fucking incompetent.
>>102095155And normalizing thought crime hurts a lot more. Time for you to pick your post-modern poison: drawn images or fascist thought policing. Your call...
>>102095399I know this is difficult concept for someone who doesn't understand delayed gratification, but people often spend years on projects.
>>102095427>These "artists" are losing their jobs because they're fucking incompetent.and then the day we'll get an image model as good as the best artists, they'll all be incompetent and replaced, and everyone that have this drawing passion can kill themselves I suppose?
>>102095429Fascist thought policing is not a bad thing. You only think it's bad because multibillionaires have indoctrinated you to defend their "freedom" to fuck you in the ass whenever they want with no possibility of being held accountable or regulated.
>>102095412Flux is really good at generating random images somewhat related to the prompt you used, yes.But go ahead anon, make a comic, a six panel comic that has a proper story.
Thoughtcrime is a slippery slope that ends in men being thrown in jail for taking naked pictures of their flat-chested 25-year-old wife.
>>102095461They could already kill themselvesnobody with a "drawing passion" did it as a job
>>102095461So much "passion" that they can't draw at all if they aren't making money
>>102095463>Fascist thought policing is not a bad thing
>>102095387
>>102095424It's 90% a single anon egging on any argument, opinion or controversy. If you lurk for a bit you start to pick up the pattern in their comments and non-arguments. In time most ldg users should come to recognize it and ignore/report as we do the other cess that slips out from sdg
>>102095420When artists embrace AI it will be the same as was before, people like you will make your doodles in a corner and there will be a class of people who get paid for it professionally
>>102095482you don't feed yourself and pay your bills with passion, and people who work hard to entertain people deserve money yes, and the sky is blue
>>102095461There is no divine right to do anything and keep others from doing it anon.
>>102095486>my npc programming makes me incapable of parsing these wordsI understand, I truly do. But you can't argue against it. In your mind, thought policing is bad because tough policing is bad, and emotional conditioning is the only thing holding that together. You literally can't form a rational argument to why policing ideas for the wellbeing of a community is bad.>because it's bad>because look at what happened when xThat's as far as you will get.
>>102095461Someone who knows what they're doing using an AI model will be better than someone who doesn't know what they're doing. All outputs aren't equal.
>>102095501Actual artists embracing AI as just part of a workflow is the natural evolution of actual art.
>>102094974No, its better to have 1000 books than 100000 empty shelves.https://youtu.be/yBL7J0kgldU?t=2222
>>102095449And you can do the exact same project last year on a 4090 with just a little bit longer training? How are you the one to grandstand about delayed gratification?
>>102095511You're right. That's why I don't make my "passion" my job. Welcome to the real world.
>>102095511>and people who work hard to entertain people deserve money yesNo they don't, they deserve money for work they do if people are interested and are willing to pay, I don't owe money to a rando in the street singing something just because I happened to pass by him.
>>102095526Okay, so you train on 4090s, and then 5090s come out and then you train even faster.Wow.You really got me.
>>102095522If flux had nsfw baked I'd generate OL porn 24/7
>>102095516To criminalize thought is utterly inhuman and abhorrent.A man should not be judged by his thoughts but by his actions.
>>102095522This. I have several artist friends I've trained Loras for and they now use it as part of their workflow to create new art, inspiration, etc.
Here we go, get that bread while it's hot...>>102095567>>102095567>>102095567
>>102095535>That's why I don't make my "passion" my job. Welcome to the real world.but the real world before gave the possibility to people that had passion to make a living of it, but nah, gotta force everyone to go on jobs they don't like because that's all we'll have left on this new AI world I guess, but hey, we can make funni Miku with our neuro machine so it's all worth it at the end!!
>>102095522Of course, I don't even know why they fight it so hard, the tiny details (which AI is really good at) is actually the worst part of art and is the majority of the time you spend too.
>>102095516I don't like your ideas, so shut up.that was even easier than I thought
>>102095550What the fuck are you even on aboutThe original point was that the 5090 would be a game changer even without a VRAM increase, which is clearly wrong
>>102095547so you're telling me that art shouldn't be profitable at all? that's fucking retarded
>>102095585Saving 33% on training time is a game changer, retard.
>>102095573you sound like an underage faggot- t. a real artist who gets paid for it and also uses ai
>>102095496that's hilarious because I'm that anon and I haven't said anything
>>102095496it's an llm, it was getting flagged as off-topic before. just report and ignore
>>102095602>you sound like an underage faggotironic.
>>102095598If you wanted to make a great new model and you bought a 4090 at release, you'd probably be done by nowIf you wait until the 5090 releases you'll be done in 2026 maybeHow is it so hard to comprehend
>>102095622I'm real, anon.
>>102095655Weird it's like I said someone is training on a 4090 and then they bought a 5090 and continued training.
>>102095573Yeah. The illusion that you might "make it" and become a millionaire and be famous and rich. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. You know how many twitch streamers thinking the same thing, streaming to 1 viewer every day? You know how many artists who are probably really decent but they're only known by like 10 people tops? If you'd known how much backdeals and shortcuts these people are taking just to get through the barrier, not even to make money
>>102095573>but the real world before gave the possibility to people that had passion to make a living of itNo it fucking didn't you retardWhere in the world can you draw passionate art for moneyIt's all soulless corporate slop, you either draw mountain dew bottles for marketing campaigns or shit that goes in gacha lootboxes
>>102095683>The illusion that you might "make it" and become a millionaire and be famous and rich. Yeah, it doesn't work like that.Strawman argument, at no point I wanted those artists to become millionaire
>>102095686>Where in the world can you draw passionate art for money?? https://www.artnews.com/list/art-news/artists/pablo-picasso-highest-auction-records-1234594915/
>>102095696Who cares about what you want, weren't you talking about the possibility the real world was giving?
>>102095724the real world was giving those possibilities, now it's been anihilated by AI, that's the whole point, and who cares about what you want too?
>Picassokek
>>102095754Who cares about what any of us wants ...? You know who, the content creators because we are their income.But thanks for proving my point.
>>102095687Wonderful, lora?
>>102095835ImageFX
>>102095826if no one care about anything, then we don't have to care about real life deepfake celebrities after all, thanks for proving my point anon
>>102095903>heh! thanks for proving my point!Faggot
>>102093782omg i love riley reid even more than star warsthank you :D
>>102095979glad you appreaicated her)))I got carried away and made tons of her