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How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (Measurements, Targets, Equalizer, etc.):
https://rentry.org/IEM-EQ-Guide

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (Harman) - $35
• TRN Conch (bright V) - $35
• Kefine Delci (bassy neutral) - $75
• Simgot EA500LM (bright V) - $90

>Bullet IEMs:
• Final E500 (dark) - $25
• Tanchjim One DSP (neutral) - $30

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (warm) - $5
• Faaeal Iris 2.0 (warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• Moondrop Dawn Pro - $50
• Tanchjim Space - $90
• Tempotec Sonata BHD Pro - $90
• Qudelix 5K - $110

>PMPs:
• Shanling M0s - $100
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200
• Hidizs AP80 Pro-X - $200
• Tempotec V3 - $200

Previous thread: >>102420751
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Remember to pos your eq.
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https://rentry.org/iemgazette
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Remember to hit play and enjoy
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>>102459844
We don't do that here
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Remember to listen to REAL music:
https://youtu.be/9YE_YxJ7K7M
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Got my Galaxy Buds FE today

Compared to my Pixel Buds Pro, the shape is way more comfortable, fits very snug.
They're bassier, but it's a pleasant bass rather than overly done. They also sound punchier to me, I kind of like the sound. I also don't really know what I'm talking about though.

I'm a little annoyed I tested them out. I was just going to keep my Pixel Buds Pro but now I'm thinking maybe I should keep the Galaxy Buds FE. I don't know
As far as I know the Buds Pro are almost double the price, but they share the same features and everything so I don't know where the price goes
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>>102460023
Oh also the configuration app for the Buds FE is dogshit and wants permissions to read all your notifications just before you can use the app.
Kek'd and noped out of there
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>>102460023
enjoy your fe. you will not get 2x improvement going to pros.
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>>102459888
If this sounds bad to you, you're using a bottom of the barrel pos
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqFhyNeibs&pp=ygUVS2VuIGFzaGNvcnAgY3VjayBzb25n
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>>102460109
er idk if i misread. if you mean the google pixel pros google is just shit at audio. samshit literally has harman akg on their side to somewhat tune decent.
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No. Do NOT eq your pos. If you want a different sound signature, buy another pos. The techs are in the consumption of newer releases. Equalizer software mines bitcoin and causes tinnitus!
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>>102460125
I only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJYvCHm3Ov4
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>>102460109
>>102460141
I don't know if I'd describe the Pros as shit, but I might just prefer the FE sound
I got the Pros free with my Pixel, genuinely free rather than *included in the price, the Buds FE I got for pretty cheap. Don't know which to keep. The FE's are definitely much louder and punchier. For sound itself, dunno
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>>102459721
Are the weeb iems like pic related even any good or are they spending all their resources on designs and merch instead of engineering the sound?
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>>102460043
there's gadgetbridge for Free & Open Source Software (FOSS) solution for the Buds FE, I use it and it works
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>>102457360
you always get them in pairs, which means pos is always plural
the real question is: what's the singular of pos? probably still pos
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Remember to never buy Chu 2
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>>102460306
the pic related specifically is not good, no. Ola was a flop. Tanchjim are most sincere audio engineers dear, their recent releases are better
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>>102459888
only real iems can handle this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqAN9Ox2Stw
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>>102460350
I like mine, what pos is tonality-wise exactly like Chu 2 with all of its satisfying characteristics (no compromise allowed), but with better overall quality and preferably better techs?
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>>102460233
uh eq guide retard, your response?
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>>102460315
Thanks
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Any recommendations on a good mic cable to get for my 7hz salnote zeros?
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>>102460656
cheaper than the actual pos? get FiiO LS-3.5B
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>>102460712
>cheaper than the actual pos
Yeah, I forgot to order the one with a mic. Thanks for the suggestion. I also found the TRN A1, how do they compare sound and mic wise? Or should I just stick with the FiiO
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>>102459721
Why is Artti T10 so fuckin' ugly?
And why does it graph like KZ's planars with somewhat elevated bass? So it's like KZ but since it's not KZ that's fine?
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>>102460350
And that's not even the only reason. People say it's good because it's great for EQ, but the forget to say you HAVE TO use EQ with it for it to actually be enjoyable at all.
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>>102460889
That's the case for all pos except Etymotics
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>>102460948
Yeah, etys aren't enjoyable even with EQ.
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>>102460970
kek
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>>USB-C DACs:
• Moondrop Dawn Pro - $50
• Tanchjim Space - $90
• Tempotec Sonata BHD Pro - $90

mogged by https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fosi-audio-ds2-portable-dac-amp-review.57063/
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Threadly reminder Tanchjim and Shuoer BTFO every pos
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>>102461131
S12 Pro is TOTL and goated
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sex with asano transch's neovagina
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qrd on asano dynamic range?
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>>102461252
Tanch is a real woman, proof in the pic related
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>>102460809
>Why is Artti T10 so fuckin' ugly?
They're not? It's the only thing I like about that pos. Even the cable is pretty.
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>>102461278
Can you even hear above 16k?
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>>102461316
urban dictionary gives me the ick, do better chuddie
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>>102461617
Too well unfortunately
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>>102461095
nice
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>convert flac to lossy wavpack + correction file
>syncthing to phone, ignore the correction files
>lossless at home, lossy outside, all in one place
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>>102463403
that actually sounds sick, but I'm too lazy to convert my whole library, so I'm just gonna buy 1tb phone or one with an sd card slot next time
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>>102463403
>convert all music to aac 80
>flip dsee ai on my walkman
highm fimdelimty
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>>102463403
Lossy Wavpack performance is pretty terrible for the bitrate though. You could probably get your whole collection in FLAC+Opus in not much more space than your current setup and still save space on your phone. Fb2k can even automate the conversion for you.
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>>102463537
>search *.flac in file explorer
>open in foobar
>convert in place
>delete flacs in the explorer
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>>102463606
I already have my library synced across 10 different devices with syncthing, it would surely sperg out and I really don't want to have to set up everything again.
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>>102463601
The idea is that when I get new music I won't have to maintain a separate folder for the phone.
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>>102461095
>4.4
Time to sell my dawn pro
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>>102463403
I use poorly converted op*s for mobile. I fucked up the conversation and I don't want to sit through it again.
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is kz d-fi decent?

i'm getting moondrop space travel
and chu...
was thinking on grabbing a d-fi too
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>>102463780
avoid kz
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>>102463786
its literally $4,99
any reason not to grab this thing? kek
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>>102463841
If the measurements are to be believed, then yes. That's the price of one burger, you won't lose much either way
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>>102463884
alright. so "7hz salnotes zero" for $10?
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>>102463896
Zero is pretty similiar to chu but with less 5khz peak, I prefer the fit on chu tho
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>>102463780
>>102463841
>>102463896
they're bottom barrel iems. if you're seeking validation or approval, i am not one to give it to you. the quality of their packaging, materials, accessories, sound, and quality assurance/control are all reflective of their price. you a dirt poorfag? fine get them. if you're just consooming shit for the sake of "it's le cheap!" then that's what you should expect, cheap e-waste garbage you're burning money on.
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>>102463959
>just consooming shit for the sake of "it's le cheap!"
pretty much
chill man.

>>102463944
what's your take on "epz q1 pro yunshuian"?
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>>102464023
i'm chill. you can do whatever you want with your money. i can state my opinion: it's a waste of money and nobody with good ears keeps iems like those around for long after they hear better stuff. if you're poor and all the shit you own is cheap then that's your life, fine. some people like to own objects with some semblance of craftsmanship, quality, and longevity.
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>>102464023
A pretty good all arounder, the female vocal is quite smooth and light. No harsh treble and just enough treble. It's a great starting point if you don't know what you want yet
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>>102464076
chill brother, breathe in & out
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>>102464099
Seems good. I'm more into vocals anyways.
added to the list

simgot ew200 is also good for vocals?
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>>102463959
based and truthpilled
kziggers are subhuman
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>>102464099
*just enough bass. If you listen to EDMs or any bass heavy music, there won't be that much excitement.
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Me when a sub 200 IEM-er speaks >>102456611
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>>102463654
I just right click All Music -> Convert -> Phone in Fb2k and it will auto convert any new music with directory structure over to my Phone dir which then gets synced so the maintenance is quite easy.
Of course I download most of my music from Deezer these days so its already in 16-bit FLACs with correct tags and lyrics so I don't have to touch it before it goes into my "lossless" collection so I've found this solution to be easiest.
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>>102464121
Ew200 is more v shaped. It has elevated upper mid range and great treble extension, it could be quite aggresive if you're sensitive to the upper mids tho.
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Henlo frens. Can someone tell me how to learn to design and make IEMs? Is there a book, paper(s) or guides available? Can someone link me some stuff that's a good starting point?
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>>102464504
just look up knowles drivers on mouser, buy a bunch, get a resin 3d printer and print the shells, then connect everything together
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Still using Tanchjim Kara. It just works.
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>>102464698
I'd like some theory anon...
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>>102465224
make your iem as pretty as possible and cost as much as possible and it will sound good
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>>102465059
>still
It hasn't been that long since release, only one year.
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what else to shove in my earussy at canjam? toss out any pos you're interested in or think are worthy.
Aoshida E20 $50
Inawaken Dawn M $50
TRI Draco $60
Simgot EW300 $70
Letshuoer DZ4 $90
Simgot EA500LM $90
Letshuoer S08 $100
ZiiGaat Cinno $100
Aful Explorer $120
Simgot Supermix4 $150
FiiO FT1 $160
Meze Alba $160
Celest Relentless $170
CVJ Bidong $190
Rose Technics QT9 MK3 $200
CVJ Yukimi $210
Juzear Butterfly $220
TRI I3 MK3 $220
BQEYZ Wind $240
FATfreq Deuce $240
Letshuoer Cadenza4 $250
Binary Dynaquattro $260
Yanchjim Origin $260
ZiiGaat Doscinco $270
ZiiGaat Estrella $300
BGVP DMA $300
Dunu DaVinci $300
Dita Project M $325
Letshuoer S15 $330
NiceHCK Himalaya $330
Rose Technics QT-X $340
Mangird Tea Pro $360
Yanyin Canon II $380
Simgot EM10 $440
Myer Sliivo SLT6 $450
EPZ 530 $530
Mangird Top $530
Geek Wold GK300 $550
Hisenior Mega5EST $550
Thieaudio Oracle MKIII $590
IO Volare $600
Symphonium Meteor $600
Tangzu Xuanwu Gate $650
Yanyin Moonlight 2023 $650
Letshuoer EJ07M $670
Softears RSV $730
Aful Cantor $800
7th Acoustics Supernova $850
Thieaudio Origin $850
Yanyin Carmen $850
64 Audio Aspire 4 $900
Ice Lab Prismatica $900
Thieaudio Hype 10 $900
Symphonium Titan $1,000
64 Audio U4S $1,100
UM MEST MKII $1,500
UM MEST MKIII $1,600
qdc 8SS $1,900
64 Audio Volur $2,500
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>>102465295
forget iems just go to beat the shit out of that apple holding tranny
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>>102465295
>cvj has high tier iems
literally what. i thought they were trash ali shit that sold at $10.
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>>102465235
... and add cunny to the mix somehow.
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I'm at SIAS here in China and I briefly talked to Herbert. They'll announce KATO 2 in ~40 minutes.
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>>102465307
that's slotted for ~1pm before my lunch break

>>102465318
i very much suspect they will sound like trash. ah and fuck me as far as i can tell hifigo will not be at socal this year, so several pos on my list probably won't show up
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>>102465332
holy shit KATOchuds... the redemption arc starts now
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>>102465332
what is SIAS?
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>>102465332
Nice, paint chip v2 then.
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>>102465373
The Chinese canjam. Even Super* Review and some western influencers are here this year.
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>>102465398
KATO never had this issue because it's not... painted.
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>>102464504
books on electroacoustics, aes papers, and practical experience
and you'll mostly be working with offthe
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>>102465415
Ohhh.. sweet. I bet it's better than CanJam simply because there's more IEM manufacturers in Asia who don't want to travel.
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>>102465438
Ah confused with aria. Kato was the one that had tons of scuff scratch marks.
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Only real tunez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Bxz-SIZ_c
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Someone post a picture of Chu II oxidation that is NOT the reddit screencap to make me NOT buy them
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>>102465850
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>>102465875
This is still one from the collage thats posted on every thread, I meant a NEW pic
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Best cheap dongle DAC that isn't the Apple one? I've heard it had a different worse version in Europe because of some laws or something
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>>102465295
Fiio FT1, I want a closed back
Binary Dynaquattro, I liked the chopin wonder if this will be good
And any fotm driver abominations
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>>102465901
it's cheap brass idk what are you expecting
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>>102465952
either FiiO JA11 or CX Pro
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>>102465995
What should I get instead? 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2?
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>>102459721
best iem under $200? spermix 4?
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>>102466039
any pos + eq
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are there any brands that actually have some quality control? do I have to look at non chink brands (I know they're all made in chinkland)?
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>>102466014
Redeem Gato.
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>>102466067
quality control in what aspect?
for example, as exemplary KZ is for their channel matching, their reputation makes that aspect useless
assuming you're talking about overall qc (build quality, channel matching, etc), then tanchjim, aful, dunu, and simgot are major chinese brands that have pretty good consistency in that department (ie established companies that have a relatively longer release cycle)
for non-chink brands, it really depends, but most will be at or below the levels of the four brands above.
all of this also depends on the pos complexity, so qc is not only inconsistent on a brand to brand basis, but also on a product to product basis in the same company.
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>>102466039
Kara or S12 pro
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>!NEW!! Moondrop Concerto
The first product, named "Concerto", is a USB-C digital decoding Hi-Fi in-ear earphone.
It might be the first in-ear earphone to feature a full-chain high-resolution, lossless design combining a planar magnetic driver and a solid-state all-silicon speaker. Jointly developed by Moondrop and ddHiFi, it uses the xMEMS Montara solid-state all-silicon speaker along with Moondrop's renowned 13mm patented ultra-linear planar driver, arranged in a V-shaped symmetrical design.
>Price: 1999 RMB.
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>!NEW! Moondrop MOCA
The "Cat Cake" (猫饼) has been upgraded across the board in terms of sound quality, functionality, and user experience. It features a 10mm TiN ceramic-coated composite diaphragm and offers wideband deep hybrid active noise cancellation, wind noise resistance, in-ear detection, and wireless charging. It also supports LC3, making it a true wireless noise-cancelling earphone designed for high-quality audio in all scenarios, combining HiFi-level sound quality with the usability of consumer-grade products.
>Price: 299 RMB.
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>>102466039
hey there squoomer!
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>!NEW! Moondrop Kadenz
The Kadenz is the successor to the well-regarded "Kato," developed over a year and a half. It features a newly developed second-generation patented ultra-linear dynamic driver and a TAC diamond-coated composite diaphragm. The internal structure has been refined to achieve a new benchmark in objective acoustic performance.
>Price: 999 RMB.
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>>102466253
>Price: 1999 RMB
How much is that?
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>!NEW! Moondrop DISCDREAM 2 ULTRA
The DISCDREAM 2 ULTRA is a reimagined and upgraded version of the Dream Disc Player. It retains the same high-standard professional-grade CD player servo architecture while further enhancing the audio components. It now features dual flagship Cirrus Logic chips and adds a 4.4mm balanced output to satisfy users' pursuit of pure music quality. The casing has also been upgraded to a full aluminum alloy, precision CNC-cut design.
>Price: 1499 RMB.
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>>102466253
>More Moondrop slop
Yuck
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>>102466275
300USD
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>>102466282
im glad they decided to release an upgraded varient of this
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>>102466039
Nova
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i dream of discdream (2)....
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>>102466253
>$300
>no removable cable
>>102466262
>another slop twshit
>>102466272
Well this is okay, nothing exciting but probably gonna be decent.
>>102466282
>useless shit for hipster faggots
Overall very goysloppish releases by troondrop.
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>>102459721
I look like this
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katochuds are awakening from their slumber...
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>>102466253
>>102466262
>>102466272
>>102466282
>subconsciously dismiss them as pos
its over, /iemg/'s cynism has gotten to me
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>>102466464
LONDON??!
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>>102466457
Nigga xmems needs a special Amp and dsp so ofc this won't be ur conventional iem. Enjoy xmems and planar techs
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>>102466600
they should figure it out and come up with a new plug standard, even stax have detachable cables nowadays
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>>102466375
aren't novas super uncomfortable?
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>>102466067
It's always a QC diceroll. Look at Sennheisier IE600 Amazon reviews. Their IEMs are known for a side dying prematurely and having the connectors fail. Nothing about any "western" audio brand is superior to Chi-Fi, EXCEPT with respect to the kind of manufacturer warranty and (relatively) competent customer service you can get with a brand like Sennheiser. I've bought lots of Chi-Fi, 9/10 have good channel matching and are still alive. Nonetheless my anecdotal experience doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Just avoid memes (KZ, Moondrop)
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>>102466282
Gib me vinyl player
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>>102466687
They're less comfortable than gate, but they're alright.
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Am I crazy for preferring larger shells for my IEMs? Smaller shells always result in inconsistent fitment for me
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>>102466687
They are BIG but I don't think they're uncomfortable. The shell is much nicer than everything else I'm used to and they're not particularly heavy. If I get the right position then I can wear them comfortably for hours and I probably have around average ears. If you have a small pinna then I wouldn't recommend them.
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>>102467493
no bcuz size =! fitment. look at customs, they are not small. they are filling the crevices and undulations of the ear. that is what secure fitting pseudocustom attempts to do. i can wear up to cklvx d41 and monarch mk3 sized pos fine. larger than those and it becomes uncomfortable
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>>102467493
Everybody has different ears. Fit complaints mean literally fuck all
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>>102467493
For me it's the angle of the nozzle. If it curves up then the fit is good and secure. If it doesn't then it isn't. Wankers have terrible fit for example, there are both larger and smaller IEMs that fit me better.
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>>102460377
there's no such pos, you WILL consume Chu 2 and you WILL be happy
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>>102460306
Weeb IEMs are the next best thing to fox IEM.
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>>102463959
still way better than cheap sony/philips/panasonic/pioneer/jbl/other "brand" earphones you can buy for similar price which are good for listening to bad quality mp3 or even badly converted files you download from random places because the lack of air and overall bad treble masks all the hiss and distortion, while even the cheapest KZ, chu or salnotes zero will unveil those imperfections, force you to get better quality music instead and unveil all the details
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>>102466253
>circular planar, essentially just a worse DD
>USB-C dogshit
>no replaceable cable
absolute goyslop
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>>102465666
Yes.
https://youtu.be/Sp0g115yf8Q
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>>102466282
>>102466272
>>102466262
>>102466253
saaaaaaaaaar.......... redeem,
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>>102468954
we are not buying your jeetpods, rakes
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hmmmmmmmmmm pantyhosed knees
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got these on the way anons will report how they sound and how they handle EQ. I own the etymotic ear plugs for live music and they are comfy once you get used to being ear fucked. I am sure my earussy can take these
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>>102466253
>>102466262
>>102466272
>>102466282
only Kadenz is even remotely interesting out of them all, although it will almost certainly clog like its predecessor and most new moondrops
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>>102470482
Oh that looks nice. I also have the Ety plugs (er20xs) and the er2se pos. What is the name of the model in your pic?
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>>102461095
>mogged
>same chipset and features as Dawn Pro but at higher price

mogged how?

>>102463694
Why? It's the exact same fuckin thing but in more expensive
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>>102471183
Its the same? Nevermind then
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>>102471183
>at higher price
err... no. Tanchjim Space and Tempotec are bloating the list
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>>102463841
>>102463780
nah, nothing fun about D-Fi. I have the no-switch version and I just tried listening to it once half a year ago and back to the box it went, never to be seen again.
That said, there ARE fairly cheap and nice KZ iems like ZVX, Castor (both variants are nice) or recently EDC Pro, I bet some more are at least passable.

The only real issue with their IEMs is that we never know if the one I'm talking about will be the same as the one you receive. For example there's rumours that ZVX had its drivers swapped for something else, but I've ever only seen a single source for this, so that's not a 100% confirmed thing either, since KZ also has a lot of outright haters going against them.
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>>102463944
The first Chu, right? Because I know for sure that it sounds nothing like Chu II.
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>>102466262
What the fuck, Moondrop? It seems like recently all they're doing is re-releasing the same TWS with minor tweaks and minor design changes over and over again, each time only increasing the price.

>>102471274
It's now cheaper on sale but the let's say "MSRP" is higher than Dawn Pro
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Are Technics based? My favorite dojinshi artist uses them.
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Hexa inverted polarity pos enjoyers, it is time to sell ur pos
Hexa mk2 with improved techs is coming soon :3
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>>102471453
>refined
>smooth
>resolution
What is this retard talking about?
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>>102471453
>superchonk
oh it's the fat retard
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>>102471479
The cable.
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>>102471453
>turdear degrading its designs again
Gonna redeem hexa before it's "upgraded" then.
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>>102471453
omg... Tanch Kara style? Im sold!
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collab + warmpoo + subbass + 2DD
crin??? new meta??
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>>102471820
If this is the Zero 3, then they made a good decision in changing the shell shape, although I liked the clear transparency of the Zero 2s shell.
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>>102465295
Have you heard the Sliivo SLT6? What are they like? How do they compare to similar pos at the price range?
Also, does Penon do Canjam? Would you consider giving their stuff a listen?
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>>102471183
More powah
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>>102471336
Yep, they bumped the bass for chu2
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>>102471960
If it is then it's not like Zero 2 will disappear anyway, just like OG Zero is still around (just bought it like 3 weeks ago and received it recently)
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>>102472233
Where it's coming from? It has the same chipset, so also the same limitations, unless they added in an additional amplification stage, but given the footprint that's very unlikely, there's just nowhere to cram it in there. Whatever power output differences that come from the implementation would be minimal.
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>>102471992
>Have you heard the Sliivo SLT6?
No. The main hope was that Hifigo would bring it, but it doesn't seem like they're coming. It's basically a more energetic tilted SA6MK2 depending how the switches are set. I've heard SA6MK2 before and didn't like it. Btw it's suspected that DUNU is the OEM of the Sliivo IEMs.
>does Penon do Canjam?
Not afaik.
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>>102472278
nta but i'm pretty sure Dawn Pro only has 120mW@32ohm via 4.4mm, quite weak as far as balanced power goes. the DS2 claims 510mW@32ohm via 4.4mm, that's significant.
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>use 2DD setup
>reasonable price for config
>actually have two separate bass tubes
>less bass and brighter than Harmeme
wtf is IO's problem?
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>>102472509
>510mW@32ohm
That basically guarantees some additional amp stage then, I guess they could cram it in there somehow, after all.
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>>102460809
>>102461593
What's the general consensus on Artti T10 on /iemg/? I want to try some not-too-expensive planar but I also don't want to go the KZ route.
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>>102472811
>consensus
The what now? Anon, this this 4chan..
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>>102472811
we don't even have consensus on what pos means
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>>102472811
Solid. As far as overall sound, it is my most preferred planar in picrel. Cons are that it looks and feels like cheap 3D print resin, and it might not fit great with stock ear tips. I use Spinfit W1 (just like this anon >>102445857).
>don't want to go the KZ route
Smart lad. Don't.
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>>102472616
I demo'd the Volare a while back and that pos was a tinnitus cannon, so imagine the whiplash I got when Crin said he approved it
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>>102472935
nta but do you feel like the all of them (excluding the max) are more or less redundant to one another?
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>>102472811
Grab sgor luna for $30~
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>>102472935
>Smart lad. Don't.
I actually had a chance to listen to acquaintance's KZ PR2 and I really liked it, but it was the original before the infamous stealth revision so it's not like I can still buy it anyway.

I guess Artti T10 it is the, it does looks weird, that off-white color, but the cable on the other hand is gorgeous.

Although, how do you find the PR3 which I believe is what's at the bottom of your pic?
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>Smart lad
>shopping planar instead of 1DD + EQ guide
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>>102473003
>are more or less redundant to one another?
Yeah, most of the 14.XXmm planars are performing at similar level. There are a few niche tunings like OG P1 Max, Shozy P20, Sivga Nightingale, but most are similar (FYI most planars have undergone silent revisions / updated drivers over time). My S12 Pro graphs very similar to F1 Pro besides having a touch more mid bass. T10 has better control over upper treble that I prefer.
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>>102473118
I mean, I already have Chu II which was supposed to be the EQ endgame, I just want a planar pos for the heck of it, that's all.
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>>102472811
I thought it sounded as good as the SM4, but I could never get past that planar timbre which is also present on the more expensive S12 refreshes.
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>>102473036
>how do you find the PR3 which I believe is what's at the bottom of your pic?
It's the PR2 non-mesh version. Trash. I also have CCA PLA13 somewhere in a box. Trash. Besides the retarded treble, there is fairly severe channel imbalance between the pairs at random frequencies.
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>>102473118
Think of all the techs you're missing with non planar pos
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>>102470482
These guys are still pretty niche no? Aren’t they only on aliexpress?
My big issue is why would I spend a bunch on a knockoff when I can get the real deal er2xr for like $50?
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>>102473162
I've read that the non-mesh PR2/PR3's treble can be brought under control with a 10-20ohm impedance adapter which somehow interferes with the internal filtering circuit.
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>>102473189
Really only part of the problem. That bass is super lean. There is no weight or impact. Hilarious to be a NGGAR collab and have such crap bass and mid bass. And again, yes I can EQ, but I have to EQ both sides completely different because of channel imbalance on my units.
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>>102473033
>kills all the subbass
Yeah get a planar that's rid of one of planar's strengths. Also it looks suspiciously similar to what KZ tends to spew out.
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>>102473208
Not trying to defend it, just mentioning this one problem supposedly can get fixed that way. But it only makes sense if you already bought it, otherwise just get a better iem...
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Anyone can recc some good tips? My XM5s refuse to stay in my ears and I've had enough of adjusting them like a retard every 5 steps I take. Tried the tips from my old XM4s and while they sit perfectly they don't seal properly.
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>>102473262
AZLA MAX
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>>102473208
Bruh
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are variations still the best iems at any price point
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>>102472811
Uncomfortable pos. Your eargina will need some dilatation before it can accept the pos and its weird angle.
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>>102474145
Yes! The midbass crater and shout are still unmatched to this date. If you want awkward timbre you should really look into them.
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>>102474145
Not unless you want the possibility of stealth revision >>102452079
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>>102472935
planar sheen in the treble, does the T10 have it? how is it compared to the S12 Pro?
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>>102474356
all planars have planar timbre. i personally don't love it, but t10 and og p1 max are ok. s12 pro is meh for me, too much treble. fine for a short listen, not for prolonged session / loud volume
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>>102474254
Eh, I always need to use L-size eartips and even that feels loose sometimes so I think my earussy can handle that just fine.
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>>102474356
literally every planar that sounds like a planar will have planar sheen (aka fucked up timbre)
every other "non-technical" "dd-like" planar reduces or sometimes avoids it completely
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>>102471453
if it turns out to be as technical as the LM and S12 Pro with the same meta tuning as the first Hexa, I'll sell all my pos and get it
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>>102474519
>technical
>same meta tuning
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>>102474356
yes it does, its less egregious than on the s12 pro but still unlistenable. I'm utterly convinced that people who shill planars have hearing loss
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>>102474534
It'll cost more so it'll be more technical.
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>>102471960
it's probably 7Hz x NGGAR Legato 2 with more bass
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>>102474534
the gibberish nonsense they come with is astonishing
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>>102474145
Obsoleted by fox IEM.
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>>102474550
IS it true that Artti T10 is actually made by Letshuoer?
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>>102474651
basically yeah. artti and aoshida are sub-brands of letshuoer
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>>102472924
Piece of sound. Or pinnacle of shit. Both are correct.
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>>102474684
oh and kefine
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>>102474534
better techs can still be provided by better Bellsings
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>>102474550
i'm somewhat on your side senpai. having other multi-drivers or high-performance DD trumps planar for me as well. it's not like they have nothing going for them: good cohesion like a 1DD, off-the-charts treble extension, and some speed, but indeed most of the time the timbre is off-kilter and not euphonic
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>>102474145
They get BTFO by Kara, S12, timeless AE, cadenza, cadenza 4, performer 5, that other 200$ chink POS etc etc etc
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>>102474737
laser-pinpoint imaging resolution and lots of subtle, pleasant reverb between instruments across the whole wide soundstage are still reasons I keep getting back to my S12@Pro
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>>102474787
and the LM for fucking $90
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>>102474806
In reality, the variations are an out of date over priced POS sharing cheap bellsing drivers with sub 50$ POS hybrids
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>>102472935
I'm also curious how PR3 compares to T10, I've got the KZ and thought of also getting the latter, but read somewhere that it'd basically be a sidegrade.
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>>102474839
they don't get any cheaper over time because of sonion electret ESTs that are ridiculously expensive by themselves, which means variations will always remain expensive outdated pos
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>>102474873
kz's planars are trash in comparison across the frequency range. even weaker bass, sucked out hollow mids, and sizzling treble that simultaneously lacks resolution. beyond the sound, they're prone to driver flex, have bad QC channel imbalance, etc.
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Why aren't yall hyped for the new simgot's headphones EP5 and salute to art and science?
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>>102474922
open back? demo'ing at canjam will be futile then
also
>headpos
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oh my god i just looked at the headband. the absolute lack of cushioning / weight distribution system. i can feel my head denting
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>>102474922
sundara looking ahh
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>>102474976
anon...
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>>102474922
Because headphones are supposed to be a salute to the sound.
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>>102474922
>She uses headphones
Lol....
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>>102474922
I don't want the dent and sweaty ears. Pinnacle of suffering.
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>>102474922
Because that headband will fail
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>>102474908
Pr1 also has insane distortion.
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>>102474922
Headphones were solved by the hd6XX and those get BTFO by $20 POS
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how far am I supposed to push iems into my ears for good sealing?
if I try to fully push-in my Wan'ers they just naturally "slide out" of my ear
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>>102475558
the deeper you want to shove your pos in, the smaller eartips you need
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>>102475558
if you've ever put in ear plugs you can use the same method for seating iems. use your opposite hand, reach over the top of you head and pull up on the top of your ear, and then shove the iem in as far as humanly possible, twisting a bit to get optimum position. then let go of ear and it should hold in there pretty good.
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I love earbuds!
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Can I ask about Speakers here?

Do I buy these cheapshit amazon basic speakers, which supposedly aren't bad, or get the Creative Pebble speakers for ~$10 more?
There's a comparison here but I don't really know what I'm looking/hearing at and the music is none of the stuff I listen to anyway. Just want it for movies/games and stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZFygF6OF_8
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>>102476117
they're both extremely basic tier solutions for computer speakers. they will play audio, not well or to any decent level of wide-band fidelity.
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>>102476117
Go to your fb marketplace and get jbl or edifier speakers. Worth way more than those and about the same price since used.
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>>102476254
>>102476380
I only want a cheapass solution and I don't have a lot of space either for where I want to put these hence the small footprint
But I also don't want something awful so wondered if the Pebbles were worth the extra over the Basics.
It's been the typical "oh these are cheapass i'll just get them without thinking > wait actually if I spend X more will it be worth it"
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>>102476479
do you actually care about sound quality? then do what anon says >>102476380
the $10 extra for pebbles will make zero difference, both are ass. you're wracking your brain over "pile of shit or pile of vomit," sincerely. these are meant to be solutions for like an AirBnB, work office and shit.
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pebbles were so bad i felt bad for my boomer dad who doesn't give a fuck about audio and i replaced them with bose companions as minimally acceptable. even those suck but not as bad
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I just got my Moondrop Dawn Pro in the mail. Am I supposed to manipulate volume through my phone while the Dawn is on its lowest setting, or have my phone on max volume and adjust the Dawn? If it's somewhere in between, how do I find the sweet spot?

Should I bother updating firmware on this?
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>>102476636
somewhere in between. have the dawn pro approximately middle of it's volume range, then leave it unless you need finer adjustment. use your phone for bigger steps. no, don't bother with firmware if you have no issues. chifi more often than not fucks up their own products with firmware releases. golden rule: if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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For rock midbass bloat is unironically good, yall gotta stop listening to anime porn (or maybe its the supreme 2DD techs)
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>>102476681
we been knowin this g
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>>102476479
Pebble and Basic are literal trash. It's like getting a $1 iem off aliexpress and expecting something out of it. You need to hit $100 for anything audiophile, like UE Megablast or Soundcore Motion+. If you just want something slightly above dogwater while saving money, Soundcore Flare 2 is your best choice.
Unlike iems, there are unironically no good cheap speakers.
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>>102476691
Ight i gotchu famalam, I fell for the harman meme, its alr for some stuff but its boring and a bit shouty
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>>102476548
I did do what anon said, I couldn't find any compact speakers
For the purpose, the sound quality isn't honestly all that important I guess, they're just replacing a far sub par pair which I only rarely use.
>>102476747
I see, I guess my IEM experience made me think speakers could be had at a decent price. Honestly I'm not looking for audiophile tier with these, passable is OK because they're not something I'lluse a lot.
I know the response can then be, who gives a shit just get either then but I figured one might actually be better than the other rather than uniform dogshit
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https://www.scarbir.com/
Why this guy own dozens of tws but refusing to do a single FR measurement? It's such a damn waste given no one actually has a proper tws database.
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>>102475558
Sounds like you need some sticky tips. Spinfit omni/w1, softears UC, azla sedna crystal will help.
Honestly though, wanker type shells just never fit well and for the price of aftermarket tips you might as well get something better to begin with.
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>>102476874
>you might as well get something better to begin with
what's the new fotm? I've been considering spending more than $15 for once but there are too many pos releasing nowadays
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>>102475558
Get dunu s&s and never worry about seal again. Comfort may vary
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>>102476636
Max volume on source, then control with buttons on dawn pro. Get the app, change to low gain
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>>102476869
Twshitters deserve this. Also apparently it's a pain in the ass to measure some tws models apparently since they detect being worn. Headpos show had to trick airpods with slices of bacon.
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What do you value most in an iem?

For me, timbre is paramount. If an IEM sounds unnatural it likely won’t be kept for long.
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>>102477286
>What do you value most in an iem?
Fox.
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>>102477101
Could you explain why your direction differs from this anon's?
>>102476675
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>>102477286
>values the timbre
>uses all-BA pos
Bro...
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>>102477286
comfort (IE series), lightweight cable (OE audio), no pressure build-up (cough cough M9), no BAs, 1DD by sennheiser (so no major dips and roll off) then I have the total frequency domain control with EQ to fix it to my HRTF and get the best timbre possible with my preferred in-room tilt and bass
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>>102477286
>paperclips wrapped in wires
>natural timbre
lol
lmao even
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>>102477286
Sibilance check > Comfort/fit > Sound quality
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>>102477286
Comfort is king, then build quality, distortion/techs, aesthetics, and last is FR because EQ is free.
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>>102477286
Looks >= comfort >= build quality > good qc > acceptable distortion >>>>> sound quality
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>>102477286
price, because all IEMs are minimum phase except hybrids and cheapest IEMs are 1DD which mean they're literally perfect, you can add euphonic distortion (techs) in software and open up the sounstage with hesuvi, make the comfort and sound much better with top tier tips like feaulle H570 or tang sancai wide bore and use EQ to tune your pos to 5128 diffuse field with room curve, among these cheap pos there's one king that reigns supreme and it's chu 2
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>>102477664
>euphonic distortion (techs)
Low distortion planars from audeze have huge techs.
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>>102477286
>Good design
>Comfortable to wear
>Stock sound doesn't require a gorillion filters to fix to my preference. (Good driver)
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Let me guess, you need more?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Z0U8SywWY
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>>102470890
The brand is Yu9 Audio and these are the Fish9!
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>>102475495
$20 POS get BTFO by $5 KZ's EDX Lite or $7 EDC Pro. Both sound almost the same.
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>>102477879
I need less
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What target for iems to use on squig.link? I have EQ from autoeq.app, but I NEED more.
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>>102479645
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>>102479645
see the eq guide
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Any anons ever shopped at tinhifi dot com? Are they legit or did i scam myself?
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>>102479658
I don't want ear rape
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>>102479754
yes they're legit. dunno what tin pos u bought tho
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>>102479046
Alexa find me pictures of pagpag
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Bros I can't hear the difference between CS43131 and AK4191EQ+AK4499EX...
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>>102479920
try not listening to shit music, maybe you'll notice then
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>>102479920
your pos is not revealing enough of source coloration. AKM Velvet Sound(tm) is for truly refined gentlemen of kilobuck status
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>>102479983
ESS Sabre is better
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>>102479920
you need to get the pre fire new old stock akm dacs, the post fire ones aren't as good
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>>102479920
GTFO OF MY THREAD YOU DEAF MONKEY
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>>102479994
>sabre glare
disgusting
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>>102480187
>velvet
>glare
>japanese cartoons
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>>102480217
>cringe
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>>102479920
Should have gotten the Kara or S12 pro or ea500lm, the most techs of any items on the market
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>>102480392
Define techs right now
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>>102480536
Good techs is when the anime girl sounds velvety, bad techs is when she screams baka oniichan and there is glare.
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>>102473182
Er2xr is $170aud and I picked these up for $100aud total. The cable also seems nicer and I am a big fan of the blue/pink combo
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>>102480711
based techGOD
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>>102480021
>He doesn't know the burn-in lifehack
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>>102477474
This is pretty accurate. Although wonky ass tone/timbre is just as bad as sibilance
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>!NEW! Tanchjim Bunny
>!NEW! Tanchjim ZERO Ultima
Both models feature DMT4 Ultra dynamic driver technology, low-distortion waveguide cover technology, and a composite diaphragm with a metal dome. They boast harmonic distortion below 0.05% at 1kHz. Both are available with 3.5mm and DSP interface options.
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>>102481201
>no kilopos
transjimxisters its over
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>>102481201
>recycling their pos that didn't sell well
beginning of the end, just wait until they start pumping out tws a la moondrop
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>>102459721
That is a man!
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>>102481296
out of 10
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When was the last time a meme hyped up IEM was actually good?
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>>102481608
When was the last time anything hyped up was actually good? /IEMG/ is full of contrarians anyway so no one is allowed to enjoy anything anyway
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>>102481608
nothing
>>102481733
eq guide
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>>102471453
>>102471820
>>102481201
Is it just me or do these look outstandingly cheap compared to previous releases?
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>>102481971
>new hexa
prototype shell, even then it looks fine although a bit unrefined
>new 7hz
it's either the mcdonalds toys, or the fingerprint beans, either way people will still look at you with derision
>new tanchjim
budget versions of their budget slop
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Music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQplvU5bwM
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>>102482226
Only The Realest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFdB408xgEE
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Post your favourite albums to listen to. Curious about /iemg/'s demographic.
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editor here

starting another section/project: weekly /iemg/ music reviews.
heres the gist: starting from each friday to sunday, anyone that wants to "review", give their impressions, or simply rec (or not) a newly released album or single is welcome to, after which ill add it to the gazette. the music has to be newly released on the same friday as the opening (eg for this period, today) and at the earliest the tuesday of the same week.

ill see the interest, and if needed, will also provide a download link to the lossless album for anything that is added to the gazette.

hopefully this will fill a weird void.
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I seriously wonder why you guys still buy expensive pos, daps and all when all you're listening to is shitty mixed japanese songs
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>>102482660
skill issue
https://youtu.be/6ydgEipkUEU
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How do I know if my ear is clogged? ear wax never seems to come out of my left ear.
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>>102481608
Simgot ear rape and Kara
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>>102482608
I only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu2H872q8EI
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>>102481088
Tone is a skill issue.
Timbre is a skill issue(unless drivers heavily distort).
Sibilance is a skill issue.
Sound quality in general is a skill issue.
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>>102482608
Too many to list, limiting myself to 3 that popped up in my mind

John Lennon Plastic Ono Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0nMzHjMR8&list=PL6ogdCG3tAWis8381V3_hT6zlRmOVKJ_u

What's Going On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApthDWoPMFQ&list=PLc60gkdW0bcFbUwumMvBpxVrFbkeRzoPf

Pentastar In The Style Of Demons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG_2EvMzhDc
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>>102481201
Finally, bnuuy IEM.
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>>102482608
current favorite I listen to maybe once a week on commute or cycling
https://youtu.be/zmOnZNGbuCo
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new bread >>102483996



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