>>102476636
I don't think there even is any firmware update out for it...?

>>102483996
Seems like Fosi Audio DS2 should make it to OP DAC list. Priced between Dawn Pro and Space but specced better than both.

>>102484339
Nvm, there actually seem to be a firmware update, but if they code them as well as they code their app... pretty risky. I'm feeling risky though.

>>102483996
What in autism are those IEMs and why are there big knobs sticking out?

>>102484339
>>102484594
Okay I did the "update", although I say "update" since it doesn't say anywhere what version is currently installed or what version it's installing at the moment, and the tool provided seems to allow you to overwrite it as much as you want it without checking if the provided file is even a newer version.

Either way it didn't fix the "issue" I had with the LED not being 100% off even in the led off mode. Oh well
>Moon...
>...we all know, don't we?

Well, at least it still works.

Why the fuck would they put an SPD in the Kinera Celest Pandamon? That Artti T10-like shell is just begging for a proper 14mm-ish round planar driver instead of that weird square DD-planar hybrid thing.
It looks almost as if they designed it with a round driver in mind but then couldn't source a driver under satisfying conditions so they just slapped an SPD in there.

>>102485066
They're making them so they gotta use them somehow.

Is there a dedicated thread somewhere on this site for hifi systems or is this as close as it gets?

>>102486054
This is a dedicated pos thread. Ask away.

post albums to hit play and enjoy
squeek
The Square / Magic
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kHJ_n_Rv-RsdTggzsLUHRl72E7_Uephsc
Cal Tjader / Breeze from the east
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mnyQUAnV0zkcXh7iBbOzb7Pjoa5Jqtksw
Eyedea and abilities / E&A
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCTAg5mwICwCAsSdX5JudodQEGhLY46rg
Danny G Felix, Malo Malo / Australeño
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcsKohXMUhpvheBzX0Z8wXU3pSYB5TYAk
Source Direct / Secret Liason
https://youtu.be/maUrMKqc3cU

>>102483996
Are there any portable music players recommended for under $100 if all I need is a headphone jack, ability to play songs off spotify, and a few gigs of storage?

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>>102483996
Last time I bought IEMs the FOTM were Chu and Wan'ers, what's the new budget king?

>>102479914
This pagpag sounds better than $20 pos. There's no direct correlation between price and sound quality. Techs is FR and can be fixed with EQ. You can get endgame for $5. I'm wondering why it isn't listed in OP paste.

>>102486549
KZ EDX Lite or KZ EDC Pro for $5 and $7 respectively. Choose your fighter.

>>102486610
You know exactly why it's not in OP, rat.

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>>102486364

>>102486818
I'm not even local attention fag. KZ have known QC issues with construction of multidriver pos but those two are literally budget kings and have no such severe QC control issues as for Chu II for example.

>>102486906
>I'm not even local attention fag
You are.
>KZ have known QC issues with construction of multidriver pos
Their biggest blunders were single driver pos revisions.

>>102486610
>Techs is FR
Good morning sir.

>>102486950
It's fucking $5 dude. If they create a silent revision of those pos it's safe for the price of one fast food visit.

>>102486849
Well, did it work? Do you still have mice?

>>102487062
KZ doesn't deserve a single dollar.

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Should I get the HiBy R4?
Why is it not in the recommendations for PMP's?

>>102486742
Is the fit on either any good? Considering a replacement for my waners that have terrible channel imbalance now to use for working out.

>>102487678
>channel imbalance
If it didn't start with imbalance, I assume the nozzle filter got clogged. you can clean it yourself or get more filters (500 mesh) but I'd recommend high density tuning foam since you don't need glue, just shove it into the nozzle.
Also, all the cheap IEMs rely on those nozzle filters, so all of them will eventually get quiet or imbalanced.

>>102487718
That's a good point I should at least give it a go first.
>If it didn't start with imbalance
I think it did but they were my first time taking audio seriously so I can't say for sure. Would a clogged filter cause a roughly equal attenuation of all frequencies? I think it must be some portion of the upper mids, in some songs I can barely notice it but others its quite dominant (which makes me think its a problem with driver imbalance).

>>102487192
Can't see any measurements for it.
>android
>only $250
>bad battery life

>>102483258
yoh can use the medical olive oil or peroxide-based solution to make the earwax go away, although it's not that likely that it's the earwax that causes problems, might be your eustachian tube that's clogged, in this case just swallow a lot, chew a gum, have something to drink, if it still doesn't unclog try to force-unclog it by pinching your nose shut and either drinking something or trying to blow your nose to create pressure to normalize and relieve your tube
hope your ear gets better, fellow tomokoposter of sophisticated, patrician taste

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>Moondrop Kadenz SIAS unit
https://squig.link/?share=IEF_Comp_Target,Harman_Adjusted_Target,Super_22_Target,Moondrop_Katenz_preprod
>Moondrop Concerto (USB + xmems + planar) SIAS unit
https://squig.link/?share=IEF_Comp_Target,Harman_Adjusted_Target,Super_22_Target,Moondrop_Concerto_preprod
>!NEW! Truthear Zero Blue 2
https://squig.link/?share=Harman_Adjusted_Target,Super_22_Target,IEF_Comp_Target,Truthear_Zero_Blue_2_preprod

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>>102488390
>!NEW! Truthear Zero Blue 2
picrel for more info

>>102488390
really bad channel matching on those two moondrop units

>>102488571
ofc they are SIAS showroom units where every chink is putting their earwax/ear moisture... and their nozzles are known to clog... that's the maximum stress test

>>102488650
>units die in one day from people putting them in
not looking good troondropxisters

>>102488390
>kadenz
literally just another kanas pro clone
>concerto
uses dsp and still can't get proper subbass extension lol
>zero blue 2
a refined zero blue but with better fit, somehow the least pos out of the three

>>102488650
That's not much of a stress test, chinks have dry earwax. Better invite some sweaty fat white dudes for optimized clogging.

>>102484735
iirc Fatfreq Grand Maestro CIEM w/ Soundstage+ NOAH module

KZ PR4 when?

Any good options for a PMP that aren't chifi?

>>102488920
hopefully never
>>102488953
no

Any JM-1 pos revealed at SIAS? All I see here is either Harman (lmao) or some half-assed attempt at JM-1.

>>102488977
>hopefully never
Aww don't be like that. We need KZ so that we can keep convincing ourselves that other chi-fi garbage is actually good as long as it's not KZ, like 95% absolute shit tier e-waste that's listed in OP's linked lists.

>>102489015
we can have that without needing another tinnitus inducing undamped planar pos

>>102488988
Hexa 2 proto (Hexa 1 was already pretty close) and 7Hz crin's collab is close but with a bassy JM-1 approach

>>102489015
KZ figured out that releasing a perfect affordable product goes against their weekly release philosophy, so everything they churned out has glaring flaws somewhere baked in, and that's before silent revisions.

>>102489044
Are measurements already available?

>>102489044
Why does Hexa have 4 drivers anyway? The name would imply 6, that's just retarded

>>102489121
The faceplate is a hexagon

>>102486549
Wan'er studio edition

>>102486380
Go up a 100 and get the hiby m300. Even cheaper second hand

Where are the shenzen audio show insiders? Post some impressions pls

>>102490261
I tried most of the new upcoming releases. even compared them to my EDC Pro. EDC Pro mogged all of them.

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Any info on crin's project meta?

>>102490419
Who is crin?

>>102490534
some guy who's cringe, hence "crin"

>>102490419
DOA

>>102490419
Fucking kek, is Crin really going to rugpull all his Dusk buyers by making a JM-1 without the need for DSP?

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>>102491182
Already did to whoever didn't buy it early

are airpods 2 pro worth it? I know you faggots hate everything apple makes but, are the airpods 2 pro good tws? if not what are the alternatives?

>>102491740
This is the best tws. Its worth it if you take the risk that it'll start breaking 1 month after your apple warranty ends

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good pairing, sad its the only iem in my collection that doesn't hiss with this thing kek

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>>102492143
>someone actually fell for the dynaquattro

aight /iemg/, which iem do i buy

>>102492171
shut the fuck up transjimbo

>>102491740
like the other faggot said, it's quite possibly the best tws on the market right now, feature wise at least and if you have apple of course, sound signature wise it is a matter of taste but it seems to do well on what it proposes to.

>>102491812
>>102492334
thanks gay homosexual faggots

>>102491740
no
the lack of any lossless codec is a joke for the price, tuning is somewhat fine but unrefined even compared to $20 chu 2, besides there's no way to replace batteries which makes them disposable overpriced dogshit and their user an irredeemable cuck
there are better twshits at half the price where it's easier to forgive the lack of lossless codecs but sometimes even they are present, so look elsewhere if you have to buy twshit, which you should avoid

>>102492510
>still using wires when going outside
let go smelly nerd

>>102492542
>being a deaf zoomer

>>102492542
go back

>>102492510
>lack of any lossless codec
NOOOO I need that extra 19khz I can’t hear or even care about while on the go! Plus, I can’t pass an ABX test, but who cares? And LDAC is draining my battery even faster? I love it!!
> there's no way to replace batteries which makes them disposable
apple care exists

>>102492663
go back, IEM General is not a place for you

>itoddlers are throwing a tantrum again
please go back to whichever shithole you came from

Imagine shilling inferior technology unironically. Blueshit has no redeeming qualities.
>hurr you're a poor smelly neet
My IEMs cost 5 times more than the latest airshit.

>feeling superior for his overpriced chinese toy

>SEA chink with a Chu 2 talking about shithole

Malaysia still better than jewmerica

>>102492143
IEMs?

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>more even bass with a tad better extension
>no bloat in midbass/lower mids
>a bit more forward vocals at 1-2kHz presence region
>a tasteful drop in 3-4kHz to open up the soundstage
>5kHz still confromant to the Barbecuemas target
>smoother treble with more air
>serious tech chops by orthodynamic planar drivers
>you can use bt earhook to make them wireless
>securely sit in ears due to earhook design in general
verdict: buy S12 Pro

>>102493136
I'm not buying single DD garbage, blueshit or not.

>>102493136
retarded
>>102493153
schizophrenic

>>102492281
new truthear iems will solve audio for good, just gotta wait a bit
zero 2 if you want harman with less 6k
hexa 2 if you want the new meta

>>102493524
no earphone with "2" on the name is worth shit

>>102486742
fuck it for $5 might as well

>>102493590
2 means ur able 2 reconnect with the cosmos

Where can I get the new Zero 2

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Which EQ target would make orchestra sounds realistic?

>>102493524
>hexa 2 if you want the new meta
Have you seen one measurement of those, or are these only your expectations?

>>102493717
JM-1 without bass boost

>>102493717
just eq by ear if youre not retarded

>>102493733
he bought the old one and has to shill even before it's out to deal with buyers remorse

>>102493733
Measurements are largely irrelevant.

>>102494126
good bait, sir

>>102494182
>all target curves are subjective
>everybody's ears and hearing ability are different
>drivers respond differently to EQ
>charts don't measure transient response
Outside of rare everest peaks or niagara dips, charts don't measure anything tangible.

>>102492992
Binary dynaquattro

>>102494226
>transient response
excellent bait

>>102494417
>t. deaf

>>102494226
>>102494126
>HRTF
>Insertion depth
>Preference bounds
>Output impedance on crossovers
>Chifi unit variation
>711 coupler variation
that anon is right

>>102494946
>talking about measurements
>deaf
lmao
>>102494986
>HRTF
only for finegrain details, overall tonal balance is still very useful
>insertion depth
again, only affects a narrow band, a bit overexaggerated by most people
>preference bounds
valid, but again useful to correlate with measurements
>oi on crossovers
measurements show this if anon has a coupler
>unit variation
probably the most valid point
>711 coupler variation
only above 5khz, at which point hrtf matters more

>>102495055
>disregarding transient response
Might as well disregard all audio technology above 40 years old DD.

>>102495076
explain transient response

FRs are great at detecting ear hurting treble peaks and estimating what type of sound you'll get out of the iem, normalfigs wont even know what they are looking at if you show them a bloated bass vs a harman tune, but we shouldnt obsess so much over 1 metric

Once again here to remind retards to read the EQ guide.
Can eqtard also write something explaining minimum phase systems for little braindead idiots (ie every anon in this thread)?

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You can't EQ bone conductor effects and techs. *Feel* the physicality like never before.
It's time to stop being a pleb and enjoy the patrician taste. You can do it.

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>>102495252
You're being a little baby.

>>102495317
Fill in the figure dear anon.

>>102495274
is there a BC iem that actually makes a difference with the bass
if there is I certainly haven't tried it, every BC has just sounded like a DD or BA

When will people learn that audio gear are not graphics cards? You won't get improvements by spending more, even if it came from the same company. People seem to get suckered into buying a more expensive pair because it has a sense of prestige compared to something cheaper. I fully believe audio marketing preys upon people's vulnerability. Even reviewers are fucked. They can never just say something is good. It always has to be good for the price. That alone affects how the pair would be received. It's not just good, you can do better.

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>>102495513
Wrong.

>>102495513
you can get improvements by spending more, you can also get improvements by spending less because comfort and sound preference are subjective
unless you buy customs and use EQ, but nobody here does that because they're too poor for customs and too dumb for EQ

>>102495513
Youre not giving companies margin to invest in good components if the profits are too tight

>>102495803
The issue is that driver tech has been stagnant for ages.
>DD peaked with beyer's tesla implementation which is not available for IEMs
>planar is pure meme on IEMs
>electrostat has always been a meme
>BA is as good as it gets and all the models use the same fucking drivers from the same manufacturers with the same specs

>>102495834
Beyer's tesla shit kinda sucks, stronger magnet doesn't automatically mean good sound.

Ig if we get anal about it the membrane, the coils, down to the magnets and even the position and if it was glued or aligned in a certai way would affect the final sound of the driver, not to mention the shell and how it resonates inside the ear

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>>102495834
>DD peaked with beyer's tesla implementation which is not available for IEMs
Dumbzo... At least get things right. Beyer DDs have terrible THD and they implemented whatever Tesla tech for their Xelento and as expected the tuning sucks.

>just look at the fr bro
>just read the standards bro
>just read the psychoacoustic papers bro
>just read the preference reseach bro
>just read the books bro
>just stud-

No more. Set your soul free, your mind at ease, your body in content.

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How can you improve perfection?

>>102496067
Then why are you here anon

>>102496093
To discuss iems with my friends.

>>102496093
To shill.

>>102488550
>smaller nozzle
fine no problem
>shorter nozzle
fuck you.

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>>102488390
single DD has been solved(implying you faggots actually listen and use deeper insertion tips)

>>102496072
By eliminating the 8khz peak(yes it’s real)
Also based on the impressions of Superchonk who is untrained…he says that it “sounds more detailed less smoothed over” which probably means it has a Harman tuck in the bass shelf. May have more upper treble too

>>102496072
By making the drivers higher quality (ie the Kara)

>>102495906
Still the best DD we can get right now. Beryllium is a meme.
>>102495987
Same ballpark as planar IEMs.

>>102496392
Harman curve sounds like shit.

>>102496674
Not really, sennheiser stuff sounds a lot better. Same with a bunch of the new chink DD headphones, Aune and whatnot. Magnet strength is a meme, at least beryllium infuses the drivers with the souls of dead factory workers.

>>102496711
>sennheiser stuff sounds a lot better.
Which? HD800 is downright offensive and their 6XX and down lineup uses archaic 35 years old drivers that fucking suck on every single metric.
Tesla drivers are almost as fast as planars and respond very well to EQ.

>>102496744
35 year old shit that still sounds better than the abominable ear rape on beyershits.
I think you're just going deaf my dude, pack it up. It's fucking over.
>fast
Yeah it's really fucking over, it's so over it never even began.

>>102496761
I have perfect hearing and I've tried most brands and models.
HD800 has its merits but the rest of their lineup is downright trash. I'd rather get cheap chinkshit because at least they use drivers from the last decade.

>>102496774
Bro just give up. You're deaf, you're balding, it really cannot be more over for you.

>>102496784
Ok bro enjoy your archaic mudcannons.

>>102496803
Bro I use iems I don't need to cope with headpos.

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>>102496784
Does hair affect your HRTF?

>>102496806
So do I. Why are you defending crippled, outdated, overpriced and poorly tuned technology?

>>102496837
Brother you are shilling for beyerdynamic. Please please please take a moment to self reflect.

>>102496843
Bruder I prefer planars but beyer's tesla is as good as it gets when it comes to DD.
Mudheiser hasn't been relevant for decades and hasn't innovated one bit. All they do is sell their 30 years old stock of mudcannons.

>headpos user doesn't understand physics
>shills beyers
the jokes write themselves lmao

>>102496862
Every single tesla headphone is piercing treble rape. You have hearing loss. Don't tell me you also like KZ, that would be the cherry on top.

>>102496837
Planars and electrostats solved headphones back in the 80s/90s dude, there isn't a single Western IEM manufacturer who can compete with chink shit except for 64 audio and Sony sometimes, and they're extremely expensive

>>102496875
Every single tesla driver responds exceptionally well to EQ, unlike most DD drivers.
If you're not using EQ and instead chase the mythical "balanced" curve then you're functionally retarded.

>>102496881
Empire Ears still have good BC iems

>>102496892
You are blowing your ears out if you're listening loud enough for driver headroom to matter. You are deaf, just admit it. It's over.

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>>102496072
>Stuffs multiple BAs inside iem for 'finer tuning'
>Said iem still suffers the same trash treble peaks as any 1DD with the cheapest filter laid over the nozzle
>"That'll be $80, Gweilo"
A better choice is Galileo if you enjoy a mid-forward sound.

>>102496072
Kara, origins, and S12 pro lol

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Thoughts on getting a tube amp to fix planar timbre? Is there merit or is it retarded as hell?

>>102497041
get a 6N OCC non-silver-plated cable while you're at it dumbo

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Come to SIAS

>>102497262
>canjam is just a bunch of fat male nerds
chink sovl

>>102497262
>pos conventions now have cosplay thots
where did we go so wrong

>>102497282
Canjams decided fat boomer retards deaf above 2khz were the best demographic given every single Western headphone and IEM is expensive and has terrifyingly bad tinnitus inducing treble coupled to no sound produced under 200hz

Do they ever make battery powered portable music players that are good? I found some but they look like junk. I just want something where if you go camping or something you can have music for a long time.

>>102497484
The PMPs in the OP are pretty good lmao
If you want one powered by AA batteries you might need something used from the 2000s

>>102497262
what does cosplay have to do with audio?

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>>102497554
No crossdressing (all those are male)? No techs. This is how it is, xista.

>>102497554
what does packaging with waifus have to do with audio? duh... you don't have to explain just feel

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>>102497624
hi :3

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>>102497171
my cable is already 7N

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>faggot phone got no aux
>cusb ghost input from falling off a tractor
>wont settle for bt earbud fagshit
>months of this shit
>old phones fucked the same way, cant even use it as mp3 player
>1 speakers blown so its on mono plus i dont play it outloud unless im alone bc white, sounds like shit
>finally get angry tonight
>climb out of bed
>grab 650 holley
>smash cusb to aux port adapter with 650 holley against the floor
>about 8 small thwacks using the bowl bolts
>climb back into bed
>jam it into the phone, it's tight
>wave phone around
>no bixby
>no ghost input
god bless

Anybody tried the tanchjim cable x?

>>102497810
Hifigo is taking forever to ship mine, its fucking bullshit.

>>102497874
why did you buy that pos....

>>102497874
Hopefully you get it soon, waiting for 11.11 to redeem it. Just afraid of the cable stiffening up like some of their previous ones.

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Still rocking these, so good.

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>>102497782
>>1 speakers blown so its on mono plus i dont play it outloud unless im alone bc white, sounds like shit

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>>102497782

>>102493590
I like my tea 2.

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Anyone who tells you that paying more = better performance is a lying piece of turd who never bothered to (or cannot buy) anything higher than 20 buckaroonies. The difference between these and my Karas is night and day.

>>102498910
Those are way different tunings.

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>>102497554
Everything, gweilo. Everything.

>>102498910
wtf does this even mean

>>102498910
What is that pos?

>>102499121
6khz sibilance blaster simulator

>>102483996
Looking for Bluetooth headphones, prefer over the head and not in ear but it's not that big of a deal to me.
>Budget
Like to keep it under $150 if possible.
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Movies/Music.
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I just want something that sounds good in general. The music I listen to is all over the place.
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I have air pods and they're ok I guess. I only paid $20 for them. I don't like how outside sounds leak in so easily though.

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>>102494226
>charts don't measure transient response
They literally do. Frequency response is Fourier transform of impulse response and vice versa.

oh boy here we go again

>>102499740
Not my frequency response, maybe yours is but I'm not a fucking tranny fourier or otherwise.

My last 2 pairs of Moondrop Chu 2's got the muffled filter issue so I need something comparable that won't melt in weeks, any suggestions?

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>>102499785
If you fell for the multidriver meme then your impulse response is indeed smeared garbage. I'm using 1DD so I have nothing to worry about.

>>102499820
Move to a first world country asap

>>102499829
Youre using a tranny 1dd, its leaking estrogen into your earholes

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>>102496906
They aren't even good for listening loud, they're just typical beyer ear rape garbage obsoleted by chinesium DDs.

>>102499829
What a shit graph

Anyone heard of Twistura memes? Stumbled upon their D-major and D-minor on accident while browsing the alichinkpress for iems and was like "the fuck is that?"

>>102500039
Seen them on linsoul, don't know what they bring to the table.

>>102500081
>what they bring to the table
Wonky design, for one

What the fuck, my Chu II developed channel imbalance just by sitting in a box unused for a couple months, worked fine when I put it away

>>102500361
common chuzo L

>>102500361
And yep, it's the filter, works just fine without it, just becomes way too bright - and visually it's not even dirty, even the brass is pretty much clean.

I've got some universal tuning meshes, 300 and 450, will see how these work with it.

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>>102498212
ive disabled it in the mixer because its distorted

>>102500417
450 mesh - not great, not terrible. Better than no mesh anyway. Certainly not gonna pay the Chu II rental fee required for the original replacement meshes.
I like how they call the replacement ones they sell "redesigned anticlogging filter" but then they feel the need to sell you several pairs of them because they'll inevitably clog anyway.

Can I get a list of woke iems and anti woke iems? What are the chuddiest pos?

>>102500787
you'd probably be better off just getting rid of the mesh altogether (just keep the protective metal grid) and using some tuning foam instead.

>>102500032
The more complex the crossover the worse the impulse. But the secret is it literally doesn't matter. Human ear can't hear it.

>>102500982
>Human ear can't hear it.
Maybe yours

>>102500982
I was commenting on the presentation
>y axis labeled as if it is the title
>x axis values given in meters

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Just eq'd some 7hz zero 2 by ear and picrel is the result. I tried to adjust the tilt and bass boost to match my eq'd response, and it turns out I don't need a bass boost, but just more tilt. Maybe I'm just treble sensitive or something, idk.

>>102501060
https://youtu.be/Ffka-hPzug0

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>>102482621
>the music has to be newly released on the same friday as the opening (eg for this period, today) and at the earliest the tuesday of the same week
What if the first time I listen to most music (even artists I "follow") is months after a new release? I'm 15 months late on picrel

>>102501147
wtf people think those sound the same? insane skill issue

>>102497262
That's a lot of guys

>>102496828
everything affects your HRTF

>>102497753
hi Jim, I thought you've detransitioned

>>102499740
how to read the FR graph to check how fast drivers are before buying pos? I want it fast, snappy and responsive, what should I look for in the graph? teach me master

>>102500851
>the wokest
anything that requires USB-C ("DSP") or BT to sound decent
>the Chuddiest
any jack termination, balanced or not

>>102503430
Set high pass filter at 100Hz and you'll have the fastest drivers on the market.

does anyone else with tactile sensory issues have a suggestion for iems? I can't stand the feeling of most of the cheaper ones I've tried

IEM drivers would be classified as ultrasonic tweeters in the speaker world. They can't be fast or slow. If you describe their sound as fast or slow you should stop being an untrained listener by reaching level 8 in "how to listen" in peaks and dips.

>>102503430
>fast drivers
This can only be ascertained by reading reviews from reviewers who have a good reference collection of multiple kilobuck pos.

>>102501810
i dont blame you for being behind after villains but this one had a few actual bangers on it

>>102503888
in other words, there's no data about the driver speed included in FR graphs after all

>>102503430
Just buy planar POS, they always have faster drivers

>>102504215
Yes. You can't measure mental illness.

>>102504270
you can in USD, higher price = more severe mental illness

>>102504270
>driver movement is a troon fabrication!
What's next, electricity is woke?

>>102504330
there are many real troon fabrications out there, but no one said that driver movement is one of them, 'zo

>>102504366
>all drivers move at the same speed
>there's no such thing as planar, electrostat, beryllium, tesla, balanced armature

>>102504387
nobody said that, don't embarass yourself any further and just get your meds

>>102504405
>transient response just isn't real ok?

>>102503430
"fast" does matter but not in the usual audiofool sense. The further the treble extension is the "faster" a driver is but this doesn't affect auditory perception of lower frequencies.

>>102504330
Driver movement is FR. Driver "speed" is mental illness.

>>102504439
>what is instrument separation
Yes it does. There's a reason why Senns are awful mudcannons.

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Guys just hit play and enjoy the music

Does /iemg/ use a streaming service? My collection is ballooning out above 300G and it's getting impractical to store and its always a pain to try new music. Would just sign up but they all proudly proclaim to build a 3rd party ad profile..

>>102504461
Shut up rat.

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>>102504469
shut up

>>102504462
Youtube to discover new shit but then I download it.

>>102504462
No that's gay. Even my wife dropped spotify and just manually dumps flacs now.

>>102504462
>Does /iemg/ use a streaming service?
Nope. Flac in PC and OPUS for my SD. Everything fits. I discover new music with rhythm games.

Okay I need a parametric eq on android (lineageOS + twrp). I think it comes down to either jamesdsp or viper4android. Any suggestions here?

>>102504501
this

>>102504469
Whos living rent free in your mind?

>>102504517
JamesDSP Magisk version with The PB One's frontend

>>102504439
Drivers can move at any frequency. Bats can produce 100kHz shrieks and I don't recall them using any exotic materials. The problem at the smaller wavelengths different parts of the driver will start cancelling each other other depending on the direction. This depends on the driver size and stiffness.

>>102504542
Thank for you response. I just found out there is an app called 'RootlessJamesDSP' in the f droid store. Maybe I try this first.

where's the rentry for TWShit?
need some for work
i have decent pos but speaking and walking during meetings without wires on me is comfy for wageslaving

>>102504587
Some apps don't work with rootless. But if you encounter no issues then keep it. The problem is neither viper nor jamesdsp have a traditional PEQ UI. You'll either have to use wavelet-style presets(wavelet is another option btw) that you can export from squig or you'll have to make impulse response files in REW(the most accurate option). There's poweramp systewide PEQ but it calculates filters differently, the result is not the same.

>>102504633
I would just need a UI to switch presets; the presets themselves can be text files. I just need the eq for the default music app. I read about the android.media.audiofx.Equalizer class that android provides. I could use this to build an own eq app, but I would need the audio session ID of the music app to do this. This is a bit complicated; on Linux the global eq comes preinstalled with pipewire; just drop the eq presets in the config directory and it's good to go. Android really is a pita.

>>102504593
there's a reason for the lack of focus on TWS in this general and anons either telling you to avoid TWShit or trolling you with scarbir.com, to put it simply this is not a TWS general in the same way it's not a headphone or speaker general, despite similarities TWShits are different from IEMs in some fundamental way, which means people asking for TWShit here are essentially tourists and we're normally too kind for them
solution: create your own /twsg/, it may become popular

>>102504551
>Bats can produce 100kHz shrieks and I don't recall them using any exotic materials.
biological materials working in fully biological environments are already extremely exotic compared to man-made equipment

Ok guys I want to get into this. I have probably $500-$1000 to spend, if can get essentially same quality for less than works as well. What exactly should I get? I mainly sit at a computer listening to music/playing video games/going around listening to more music.

>>102504775
It's a chunk of meat. It's nothing special. Human hearing is also nothing special, even in the context of other animals. The problem is untrained listeners hallucinate most of what they're hearing. They hear differences even between identical gear, but just because something has objective differences it doesn't mean they hear those differences and not just their hallucinations. It takes serious training to actually hear objective differences.

>>102504883
>I want to get into this
You buy a 20$ IEM and learn how to EQ

>>102504883
Do you have a specific genre that you like?

>>102504958
I am all over the place but stuff like Aphex Twin, Drum and Bass, some old school hop hop etc.

>>102504698
You don't have classical PEQ in those apps even in the form of text. Very annoying.
>I read about the android.media.audiofx.Equalizer class that android provides
Android's equalizer class is graphic EQ. Wavelet just uses giant GEQ presets to emulate PEQ. Rootless jamesdsp records system audio, processes it and then outputs it, apps that reject sound recording like spotify don't work with it(but you can patch them to remove those permissions). Rooted jamesdsp and viper actually process audio like pipewire would.

>>102505008
>Android's equalizer class is graphic EQ.
Oh what a bummer, I just quickly skimmed the API and read things like center frequency and band frequency range; so I thought it's a PEQ. I'm still messing around with the audio session id in android studio, because it's Sunday and I have some time, but I guess I will end up installing JamesDSP then...

>You don't have classical PEQ in those apps even in the form of text.
I think I don't understand what you are saying here.

>>102505114
>I think I don't understand what you are saying here.
The presets don't look like "frequency gain Q". You'll see.

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>the worst piece of shit mix never remastered properly
this is why FR doesnt matter

>>102504999
Simgot supermix4

>>102505176
Real music doesn't have this problem.

>>102505207
>my playlist? video game OSTs and j-pop

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Thinking of getting pic related (ONIX Alpha XI1) for my laptop.
It seems to handle IEMs and headphones both well.
Any portable DAC recommendations that have a battery bypass or no battery at all?

>>102505193
Should I get a DAC as well?

>>102505222
What's wrong about vg ost? The genshin impact ost has the best audio quality I have ever heard.

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>>102505246
i was joking but i'm not even surprised

>>102483996
this zoomer audio aesthetic is so dogshit

>>102505235
The ones in OP, fosi ds2 also seems to be great.

read the eq guide, and be happy anons.

>>102505255
Alright, here's some music I listen to:
https://youtu.be/1_aAGiJr2y0
Now show me what you are listening to.

>>102505301
>>102505176

>>102505008
technically jamesdsp and viper are both convolvers, so all their effects including EQ are based on impulse-response operations, which is very accurate and flexible but also more demanding than most other methods, fortunately with fast NEON algorithms we got to the point the impact on the CPU and battery life is negligible

>>102505309
kek

>>102505301
metallica dumbass that's why i posted about it

>>102505312
There's no built-in editor. Or at least a PEQ to impulse converter, that would be a great app idea. I'm using REW to make impulses currently.

>>102505293
Seems there are two fitting options in the same price range. The one I posted is apparently more powerful and can handle headphones but I guess it's all the same shit in the end.

>tfw have a cowon j3 that still works like a charm
man, i hate that cowon doesn't do PMP anymore

>>102505337
Why are you in an IEM thread, retard. It's intended do be listened through busted car speakers. IEMs are for real music.

>>102505235
>>102505355
onix alpha is good. go for it

>>102505337
What kind of trolling is this? You're mocking video game music, but you are listening to fucking Metallica of all things; their stuff from the 80s (good songs btw) sound like cancer, and the newer stuff is the prime example of loudness war slop. And *you* make fun of video game music, just wow.

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>>102505361
I use Cowon Plenue D2 as my daily driver ever since I got it on release.
There's nothing I can replace it with. PMP tech just regressed.

>>102505241
That IEM in particular is easy to drive, though you'd want a DAC if you want to use it on you PC

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>>102505368
>>102505397
because i play guitar and video game OSTs aren't songs it's generic ambient sounds with exceptions in some games like undertale where the music is actually composed to be art and not filler for the sake of game
what the fuck is this metallica hate boner you want a cookie for being such a special little redditor high iq independent thinker or something?

>>102505301
Omg this is so trans-inclusive and validating. Here's some of my favorite troonsic :3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnVU7Ly0CzA

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>Timeless 2 even more techs

>>102505490
>video game OSTs aren't songs it's generic ambient sounds with exceptions
and just like good video games in general are exceptions nowadays, we should focus not on what's popular but on what's good, that includes soundtracks too
only R E A L music, check your techs
https://youtu.be/1BK5ACIbJRI

>>102505526
>Just another more expensive S12 pro with the exact same sound signature/techs but with a worse fit

>>102505490
>video game OSTs aren't songs it's generic ambient sounds
Technically they aren't songs, because it's mostly instrumental, but take something like this for example:
https://youtu.be/nbgVs3Up17w
How is that 'generic ambient sounds'? And this is not an exception, this is straight from a fucking Pokemon game developed to entertain 8 year olds.
>what the fuck is this metallica hate boner
I picked on these guys in particular because their album 'Death Magnetic' was famous for being overly compressed and loud.

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>>102505526
Timeless 2 had so much techs they had to cancel it a year ago to not completely disrupt the market, this is a nerfed version.

>>102505526
>>102505646
>flat line means neutral
That's not how any of it works.

>>102505661
Who are you quoting.

>>102505675
You retard, lurk more

>>102505693
>ctrl+f flat line means neutral
>1 result
So that's the retarded post, gotcha.

>>102505661
>no one claimed that
take meds schizo

>>102505490
>Why are you in an IEM thread?
>because i play guitar
...

>>102492143
>the only iem in my collection that doesn't hiss with this thing
Why did you buy that pmpos bro..

/iemg/ calm down; am I missing something or did >>102505661 just make a funny joke and no one (except me) gets it?

>>102505718
>>102505710
Based reading comprehension hon!!!

>>102505738
He saw timeless 2 compensated to timeless and mistook timeless for the target.

>>102492143
Should have gotten the r3 2 or m300 lolmao

>>102505764
No way it happened this way

>>102505609
Only real video game music
https://youtu.be/qncXd7LIAmo

>everyone shitposting
>still doesn't match the sheer output from chuzo

Only kino allowed lol
https://youtu.be/KEVLCNwwFec

>>102505631
Metal in general is known for bad production and if you mostly listen to metal of course you'd think the FR doesn't matter, you'd have to make presets on per album basis lol. But that's if you think the goal of EQ is to make shit sound good. The actual goal is to make shit accurate. If it sounds bad on calibrated speakers it should sound bad on properly EQd IEMs too and you just deal with it.

>>102505996
Based and accurate rationale for EQ

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>>102505631
>How is that 'generic ambient sounds'?
that is literally generic ambient sound i dont know in what bubble do you have to live to genuinely think this is not generic ambient sound
>>102505609
>we should focus not on what's popular but on what's good
are you even aware of how massive of an inflated ego redditor you are? i dont like it = bad. i have metallica on my playlist next to zelda and pokemon ost and i listened to those two before ever hearing metallica in my life
how fucking ironic is the fact that your example of prime art NICHE and fine wine music is quite literally, the most popular series of all time that feral children living in rain forests know about? nothing ever has been commercialized more than pokemon
you have brain cancer but im not even surprised because this is consoomer general where people will spend money on meme eardildos that sound 90% the same as other meme dildos because they have an anime girl on the packaging or because more newer = more gooder

>>102506035
correction: 100% the same because you still need to EQ

>>102505994
https://youtu.be/Q2evIg-aYw8

>>102505812
holy based, I have Boogerman's OST in .vgm files on my phone and listen to its techs on my pos

>>102506060
Mega drive, now that was a real console
https://youtu.be/vIE4Ce78My8

>>102506035
>piano and oboe is generic ambient sound
okay

>>102506111
piano and oboe are instruments the song is generic ambient doodling sorry to burst your bubble also convenient ignore my point about commercialization of pokemon

this sir >>102506035 is a AI bot, do the needful and ingore his hallucinations

>i concede because there is no room left for any argument to be made as i am profoundly retarded

>>102506105
moar techs, pump the last detail out of your pos
https://youtu.be/67fZSJKQfkQ

>>102506130
>convenient ignore my point about commercialization of pokemon
I didn't read that shizo rant because you quoted a post that I didn't write.

>>102506035
>i have metallica on my playlist next to zelda and pokemon ost
Reddit. Get some real music
https://youtu.be/CFPMOSI0K2Y

I will again never get why retards who listen mainly to shitty gacha OSTs are so obsessed with audio quality

another reminder that japanese mastering (as good as their music might be) is absolutely trash

if I like KZ PR3 does it make sense to get a more reputable brand's planar (Artti? Letshuoer?), or does that mean I just got a good KZ on the lottery and it'd be a sidegrade anyway?

>>102506327
Bro genshin is chinese. There's a natural synergy in using chinkshit for chinkshit.

>>102506327
I don't get it either, I prefer based sega genesis music

Am I getting attacked for listening to Genshin music again here? Let me just look up who produced that:
>Orchestra: Budapest Scoring Orchestra, London Symphony Orchestra, International Master Philharmonic Orchestra (国际首席爱乐乐团), The City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra
>Recording Studio: 52Hz Studio, Abbey Road Studios, Air-Edel Recording Studios, Budapest Scoring, Jintian Recording Studio (金田录音棚), Redfort Studio, Smecky Studio, Sound Pro Studio, St Luke's
Yea sure London Symphony Orchestra and Abbey Road Studios must be some shit amateurs.

>>102506331
Or maybe you just like ear rape. In that case stay with KZ.

>chinks recycling their meme IEMs and resorting to gimmicks at SIAS
>nothing works
>appeals to cosplay and coffee to save the event
>KZ does nothing
>keeps winning with EDC Pro (even better with coreir brass tips)

>>102486849
kino

>>102506519
>(even better with coreir brass tips)
>buy iem for 7$
>buy tips for 50$

uhh

>>102506669
And a measuring rig for $100.

>>102506331
Just keep the PR3, if you've heard one planar iem, you've heard all of them.

>>102506519
>All this to avoid getting a pair of S12 pro, Kara, or 500lm

i buyed gate and read the eq guide
now what?

>>102507041
eq it sir

>>102507041
>now what?
Send it back, you've been played

>>102506418
>it has le epic orchestra so it's good
>some tracks may have been recorded in an irrelevant studio that only produces bricked pop songs nowadays
london orchestra specifically is not very good at interpreting japanese-style compositions, it doesn't matter in a studio recording setting but live they butchered a lot of tracks in the Nier and FF concerts I've been to

>>102507175
orchestras are lousy at video game music in general, they make the music sound like yet another blockbuster movie soundtrack save for few exceptions, I like my video game music to sound like they belong to video games, a distinct medium that has nothing to do with movies, that's why I prefer to have it electronic, if not straight up chiptunes then let it be made with professional synths and maybe other instruments mixed in

Peak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ronVoomulM
You can judge how peak music is by how many english comments the video has. The fewer the better.

new bread >>102507423

>>102507361
why are they so obsessed with making shitty seiyuu covers of this song

Question

Are the Sony's MDR-XB55AP any good? I quite like the way they look