4070 super might striggle at 1080p, I'd bump it up to a 4080 super. Just to weed out the poors who think running anything under 480hz is ok.

>7800X3D and 4090
>Realize that most games are developed for PS5
>Most Windows ports are straight garbage and have big issues with stuttering, slowdowns, and freezing
>badly optimised everywhere

PC gaming

>>102487214
Holy shit what? Even if ROCm is slow as fuck, wouldn't having that much "VRAM" make it much faster than a 4090 + 6 trillion parameters offloaded to CPU?
Insane if true.

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I'm going to pair my $125 CPU with an NH-D15 so I'll never hear it

is there anyway to get the 7900XTX fans from a hellhound model to work on a Red devil card?

>>102487214
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super
lole

>>102487254
frankenstein the shrouds and change the plug for the fans if you need to, pretty simple if you have any soldering ability at all

>>102487092
CL30 6000 MT/s, ask chatgpt or copilot what it means

am5 necessitates ddr5 though. theres no way around it

>>102487245
Watch amd shoot themselves in the foot by putting a 12gb vram firmware limit

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>>102487214
Hello, could anyone recommend me a good anti-sag bracket for my 4070 Super (Germany)? It's set properly but I notice a slight tilt downwards to the right (i.e. away from the back of the case and the). Pic sorta related: I save that image a while ago in case I ever needed a reference, but I have no clue what's good or trash.

>>102487270
only asking cause would the fans have rainbow choices or would it be the default white and blue?

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whats the cheapest but most significant jump from an rx6600

>>102487299
get a cardboard toilet roll thing and cut it to the length you need and put it under it

>>102487316
i wouldnt bother

>>102487299
this is honestly autistic, it's just a support. 3d print one or get one from aliexpress for 3€

>>102487307
i've literally never plugged anything into an rgb header so I wouldn't know, but I imagine it's all compatible with one another

>>102487248
dumb frogposter

>>102487248
what cpu? you could go entirely fanless depending

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does 10 bit monitor make difference by itself or does it only show more colours in HDR?
is running HDR more performance demanding?

WTF is AMD doing with their GPUs? They can't do AI they can't do DLSS they can't do ray tracing they have inferior performance across the board and consume more power BUT they want +500€ or same price as Nvidia are they fucking nuts or do they simply exploit dumb AMtards??

Would adding 2x16GB CL18 memory to a build with 2x8GB CL16 cause issues nowadays? Or should I just not care about keeping the "old" 16GB?

>>102487299
Buttplug

>>102487346
I bet you never change your smoke detector batteries
>>102487365
Ryzen 5600gt, maybe I can go for the NH-P1, but fans are completely inaudible at super low rpm anyway, and the d15 costs the same and leaves me with much more headroom in the future if I ever want to pair it with a stronger CPU

>>102487504
>I bet you never change your smoke detector batteries
I don't need to because commieblocks don't burn.

>>102487412
>AI
They can.
>DLSS
In case anyone wants fake frames over actual rasterization it's called FSR.
>ray tracing
Nvidia marketing slop that's noticeable in 3 games on the market.

>>102487412
>>102487214
>>102487516
Graphics card discussion

My OC'd 7900GRE is faster and cheaper than 4070ti super. The latter Nvidia card can't even OC since it's already pushed to silicon limit from reference design.

>>102487412
>They can't do AI
They can, Google ROCm
>they can't do DLSS
They do FSR instead
>they can't do ray tracing
They can
>they have inferior performance across the board
Up until the 40-SUPER series AMD had the 4060ti, 4070 and 4070ti beaten in terms of performance and value
>and consume more power
True
>BUT they want +500€ or same price as Nvidia
AMD has been consistently cheaper this entire gen, maybe apart from the 4060 vs the 7600XT. For that you lose some RT perf but unless you’re at 7900XT/4070TiS level you really shouldn’t care too much

>>102487532
>faster than 4070ti super
How many watts and what cherrypicking are you doing
t. 7900XT owner

>aussie
>~4k budget
>for high end gayming and occasional music production
does this look fine?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cgmtcH

>>102487320
>>102487330
>>102487468
You god damned niggers.

Whats a good mouse for under 30€?

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>>102487516
AMD's competitor in the fake AI frames department is called AFMF2, FSR is an upscaler.

>>102487637
g203

>>102487635
consume more, buy a $120 gaytanium stand for it, cattle

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>>102487214
Reminder that even for the 4090 the failure rate of adapters is 0.05% to 0.10%, which is minuscule, so if you want to buy an angled 12VHPWER adapter for e.g. your 4070 Ti Super, go right ahead (just check it has good reviews).

>>102487504
5600 can absolutely go fanless on even a hyper 212 with an undervolt

>SLI
>Dual GPU
>DLSS
>FSR
>Raytracing

What are the worst gaming gimmicks

>>102487681
out of those listed, probably RT for how little benefit it provides, it's the ultimate marketing slop

Is using an OLED TV as a monitor a valid thing to do or are you better off getting a good monitor instead?

>>102487681
You forgot PhysX

>still just 16 cores
AMD is really like intel was from 2007-2017 where they REFUSE to give you more than 4 cores, they would rather burn a million dollars out of spite than letting you have more than 4 cores.

>AI
The GPU is too small and the memory is way too slow anyway.

>>102487681
Even with all this other shit, RT is still most likely the worst shit known to mankind, yet

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>>102487412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5GgbXdGhVU
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=553,571,558&sort=price
7700XT smokes the 4060ti at same price.
7600XT performs a fair bit worse on average, but in some titles beats 4060ti or gets similar results despite being ~20% cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBn0tgKy-rk
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=550,559&sort=price
7800XT smokes 4070 in normal tests (non RT, non framegen, non resolution stretching) despite being cheaper

Benchmarks in pic
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=565,560&sort=price
7900GRE is 10% cheaper than 4070 super and usually has a slight lead in average fps (pic related) but 4070 super has a slight lead in 1% lows.

Nvidia just feels like they're going all in on the AI stuff, which is fair enough, but it isn't a universal market.

I'm poor, thinking about throwing an AM5 build together, would only be going for a 7600 atm, never overclocking, so would an Asus a620m AYW board be fine? it's cheap (just about the cheapest with wifi), has enough USB ports, looks gay enough

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I need a build mostly for music production but also light media creation and general computer usage.
Budget is ~500 Euros.
No discrete GPU for the time being.

How's this?
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/JGhWVW

I only need to buy CPU, RAM, motherboard, and power supply (highlighted green in pic related).
I already have the case and the storage (blue), and the rest (red) is just there for compatibility in case I want to upgrade in the future.

Since I won't be getting dedicated graphics I decided to go with the cheapest (non-"T") CPU with a UHD 770.
I won't be pushing it too much so I shouldn't really worry about the recent Intel problems (especially considering the fixes), right?
I would really prefer an Intel processor because a non-trivial number of music production programs don't run well or at all on AMD CPUs.
I'm thinking of waiting for the next gen to come out (would really prefer not to), but even if the CPUs cost the same, the motherboards with the new socket will be more expensive, no?
Tbh I'm thinking that not waiting, as well as the potential savings, would be worth the (seemingly small) risk.

Anything I should keep in mind?
Thank you very much in advance.

PS:
CPU and motherboard have a custom price because I found them for cheaper here:
https://www.bpm-power.com/it/online/componenti-pc/processori/cpu-intel-box-core-b2152720
https://www.bpm-power.com/it/online/componenti-pc/schede-madri/scheda-madre-asrock-b760m-b2048873

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>>102487754
The image without the messy lines

>>102487707
>PhysX

QRD

>>102487783
A boondoggle game physics acceleration technology that nvidia bought in the mid-2000s that did literally nothing other than make AMD slower in a bunch of games that were in the nvidia partner program for a generation or two.
They've been doing this for a long time.

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>>102487817
GPP never died, it just stopped being written on paper.

I just want to fork over thousands of dollars to nvidia already, why don’t they want my money?

>>102487214
>96GB ram
This alone wil consom 30W tdp
Theyre building a housefire that no one will buy

>>102487956
tdp =/= power draw

>the RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB runs at virtually the same FPS as the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB. However, on AMD things are different. We can clearly see that RX 7600 XT and RX 5700 XT, our only 8 GB AMD cards, clearly fall behind the rest of the pack at 4K. I suspect that this has to do with how AMD manages VRAM, vs what NVIDIA does.
EXPERIENCED GAMERS KNOW ALL TOO WELL

>>102487754
>>102487767
why is there a gpu in the build if you won't use one?

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>>102487982
...that 8gb is not enough yes we know.

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>>102487272
6000 is a meme that only wastes power and has 0 benefit
>>102487717
how can one look at this and not notce that amd cards consume 80W-130W+ more power for the same framerates are AMTards really bragging with this??

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>>102487982
>>102488045
>>102488054
The Nvidia driver literally downgrades the graphics when there's not enough VRAM. Textures, lighting, shadows, pop-in, etc.

Your in-game settings say Ultra but they are actually Medium quality on Nvidia while they are still Ultra on AMD.

>>102488027
For now the iGPU is fine, but I might get a dedicated one in the same tier as the one in the pic later, so I added it to make sure everything is compatible with a potential future upgrade. Same as with the cooler and the extra 2 sticks of RAM.

>>102488084
>fake youtube benchmarks
okay amdummy

>>102488054
I don't care about power usage. Where I live, that extra 100w will cost me 3 cents an hour.
the electricity cost of your pc will be so minimal in the grand scheme of things due to how infrequently you'll be using up the peaks & even with 7800x3d & 7900gre PCPP still only estimates 530w (40w more than with 4070super) so you're fine with 750w PSUs which aren't that much more expensive than 550/650w

also
>picks RT framerate screenshot
lole

>>102488084
I noticed this a lot with FFXVI. People saying the Nvidia PC port looks worse than PS5.

>>102488093
So you have no ram at all now? If so, I'd try to squeeze in all 32gb in a single 2x16gb set. Compatibility between two "identical" 2x8gb sets is a gamble, one you're most likely going to win but it can still fuck you over. In my opinion it's not worth delaying a like 30€ purchase for that risk.

If red is "buy later", keep in mind that 14500 stock cooler is (as far as I remember) absolute ass and you'll effectively want to cap the wattage of it pretty low to prevent it from basically melting. It might be worth just grabbing a 20-30€ cpu cooler asap as well here.
If you need to get the money for that ram/cpu cooler from somewhere, it might be a possibility to save a bit on motherboard. Unless you need the wifi, you could probably save like 20-30 at least on an otherwise decent mobo. If you do need the wifi you're kinda fucked since it removes all the cheap mobos from the options.

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JUST WAIT FOR 50 SERIES, THEY SAID
PRICES OF THE 40 SERIES WILL DROP ONCE THE 50 SERIES IS OUT, THEY SAID
NOW THERE SIMPLY WON'T BE A 40 SERIES TO PRICE DROP

>>102488203
they still have ptsd from the warehouses full of ampere cards

sad!

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Zen6 and RDNA5 will save gaming

>>102488231
the games themselves have to be good before the hardware can do anything to help at all

>>102488202
>Compatibility between two "identical" 2x8gb sets is a gamble
Huh, didn't know that, will look into it and consider getting the 32 now, thanks

>keep in mind that 14500 stock cooler is (as far as I remember) absolute ass
Yeah I figured, but since I won't really game or do anything really intensive on it I'll try the stock cooler for now and see how it fares for my usage.

>wifi
Unfortunately I do need wifi, but I can get the cooler outside the budget later, and the RAM I can maybe spare the 34€ more if I decide to go with the 32, so that's not really a problem.

Also forgot to ask in the original post, but what fans do I need? Are the ones included in the case ok?
It's a pre-built that my neighbor gave me because it doesn't turn on anymore.
Since I'm not going to tax it much, this should be fine, no?

>>102487664
thx anon, just bought one for 14€

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i LOVE this program

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>>102488380

>>102488305
>Also forgot to ask in the original post, but what fans do I need? Are the ones included in the case ok?
Oh I didn't check that
Looking at their site, it seems like only one fan is preinstalled. I would at the VERY least get a second fan to put in the front so you have one intake fan & one exhaust fan in the back.
Not having an intake fan can lead to dust being drawn in through all the cracks in your pc which is usually an absolute mess. It doesn't need to be much, can usually just get away with a cheapo 120mm

At a glance, these seem like decent options
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/NvphP6/cooler-master-case-fan-r4jfdp20prr1
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/H78j4D/arctic-bionix-f120-blackwhite-690-cfm-120mm-fan-acfan00093a

Might be cheaper places to get them but I just took two PWM 120mm fans that had decent reviews

>>102488348
Good choice, wasn't that anon but would have suggested the same. GF got one & she loves it. Too small for me personally, but I think there's nothing comparable for the price and you got it even cheaper.

>>102488399
Thank you very much.

What do you think about going with a 14th gen Intel CPU?
How much do I need to worry about it degrading or malfunctioning?

>>102487262
for me, its the sn850 as the budget ssd with 770 as the midrange

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>>102488394
i have a monitor problem

>>102487658
fsr3 is their fake frame tech using motion vectors, fsr2.x is their upscaler, afmf is their brute force motion interpolator

>>102487575
dont need the water cooler for a 7800x3d, even with our sweltering aussie summers
a frost spirit will keep it adequately cooled
no idea about music production since everyone ive ever known who did that shit used a mac
also ive never heard of storm computers so maybe its worth spending a few more pennies to buy from the usual suspects like pccg/mwave/msy/scorptec etc

>>102487817
it was pretty cool in fear

>>102487705
its valid but i dont know how people put up with the quirks that come along with doing so

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Was gonna make an am4 build for cheap but realized making it an am5 equivalent would only be about $100 more when considering the price of ram and equivalent CPU, while also giving me future upgradeability

>>102488414
I haven't kept up with that side of things, so I can't give any info, but if you can't use AMD cpus and you're expecting to use the iGPU I think you don't really have a choice

>>102488490
did you censor a crack pipe?
that tiny screen is genuinely fucking disgusting btw, I hate you

>>102488572
i don't do drugs

>>102488561
Well, if the risk of it dying is high enough then giving up those Intel-only programs will be the least bad option.
Because of this compatibility requirement I haven't looked into AMD options at all.
How do they (and their integrated graphics) compare to Intel processors of the same price?

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if i wanna play wtih max graphics + some Raytracing at 1440p & 144-165hz+ what would be the bareminimum to upgrade to? and would a 3070->4070S be any big diff? if its too much, what would be bare minimum for high graphics no rt 165hz
game black myth wukong

>>102488635
you can do that with a 4070s assuming the game has dlss

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Day 534 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102488594
Again, I'm not too knowledgeable on all this, but from a glance, it seems like first off your system won't die but rather it might be less stable (aka crashes/blue screens), however the causes of this seem to be related to the cpus being pushed with too high clocks or too many watts which SHOULD be okay for the cpu but clearly aren't. The main issue with this is that the default OC profiles & whatnot that motherboards came with were high enough that it causes these issues, so people who aren't too familiar with OC'ing were having a lot of issues. Those who OC'd manually likely just turned down the power caps or the clocks until the system was stable. Since you'll likely want to run it pretty cool anyway it shouldn't really affect you. In addition it seems the affected CPUs were mainly the K series anyway

>>102488635
>max graphics + some Raytracing at 1440p & 144-165hz+ game black myth wukong
I think that's 4090 territory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa8Mzn3kmlk
137 average FPS in their benchmark

>>102488399
yeah i managed the snag the last mouse from a warehouse cleaning sale, would have genuinely missed it if that anon didnt recommend it

>>102487516
>>AI
>They can.
I mean, if having 30% of NVIDIA's AI performance counts as "They can", a fucking CPU "can" do AI too.

AMD can't do AI.

>>102488665
>Again, I'm not too knowledgeable on all this, but from a glance...
Understood, thank you very much.

8800 XT announced yet?

>>102487214
Im genuinely just waiting for the rx 9000 series to release in the future, so i can then buy a ryzen 9900x3d and an rx 9900 xtxtxh, all because i love the number 9. Yes, I am autistic

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What's the point of XeSS?

>>102488736
RDNA4 isn't until after PS5 Pro launch

>>102488795
Intel secret sauce donut steal upscaling.

>>102487299
You gpu didn't came with an anti sag holder? My 4070 from asus came with one that act as screwdriver too

>>102488831
My GPU and case both came with one.

>>102488490
Are vertical monitors worth using? What do you even use them for?

I really want a 4080-tier GPU. DO I buy one now or do I wait for the 5080/5090 release when the richfags will want to up upgrade and get rid of the old gen?

>>102488635
> max graphics + some Raytracing at 1440p & 144-165hz+
4070TiS for RT or 7900GRE without
> 3070->4070S
About 30%
> high graphics no rt 165hz game black myth wukong
4090 gets about 140 FPS at High 1080p without DLSS or FG, so wait for the 5090
4070TiS or 7900XT could possibly do it with upscaling and FG at 1440p

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There is nothing wrong with the 4000D airflow case. Maybe the only bad thing about it is it's very plain and not "aesthetic" or whatever /g/trannies look for in a fucking computer box.

>>102488904
nope they are completley worthless even if you are coding. do not fall for the meme. i would switch it back to horizontal if i had enough space on my desk.

>>102488715
Anything can do AI if given enough RAM or VRAM and software
Even raspberryPi can run some LLMs, but it’s slow

I remember back when zen+ was popular, there was b-die ram you could get that had really good timings with high clock speeds and it gave a good boost to fps
Is there a ddr5 equivalent and do the new Ryzen chips benefit greatly from fast ram like first and second gen?

>>102488975
No, my script says AMD cannot into a.i and that is the official line we must all obey.

>>102488919
if you buy second hand 40 series be prepared to repaste it immediately

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>>102488979
Hynix A-die or M-die are the generally agrees upon go-tos.
Going past 6000MT/s is unreliable and offers little benefit due to IF limitations.

>>102487214
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M2
Is this mobo worth $135 and does it have any problems with coil whine?

If RDNA4 flagship is 4080super but much cheaper then why would anyone buy Nvidia for gaming?

>>102489129
by your logic, everyone just just buy intel arc since it has better value. its not about the value its about being able to just werk

I am ready for battlemage

>>102488203
Can't wait, already have $4835 set aside just for it.

>>102488979
Hynix A-die is the closest but it doesn't quite get to legendary status like b-die which had nearly all its subtimings scaling with voltage

>>102489158
Intel Arc doesn't just werk though. Radeon is older than GeForce.

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>>102487316
RTX 4070 Super. You could also wait six months and see whether the RTX 5070 is any good

>>102487389
10 bit will have less banding in general. No, HDR doesn't incur a performance hit

>>102487412
>do they simply exploit dumb AMtards??
That's what they've been doing for a LONG time

>>102487516
>it's called FSR
It's called garbage

>>102488937
MY nigga its like 5 year old case now, LianLi and even Antec now has wiped their ass with 4000/5000d, the fucking 360 dont fit properly, gpu's barely fit etc

>>102487299
I use a ziptie. Works great.

Monitor stands/arms?

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>>102487532
>since it's already pushed to silicon limit from reference design
That's funny because RTX 40 is more efficient at stock than RX 7000 at stock.

>My OC'd 7900GRE is faster and cheaper than 4070ti super
That's funny, retard. In reality the base 4070 is as fast as a 7900 XTX whenever DLSS or RT are in play, and when both are in play the 4060 Ti is as fast as the 7900 XTX

>>102487536
>AMD has been consistently cheaper this entire gen
It's a paltry discount that only sucks in retards who don't know what they're buying

>>102487681
DLSS is amazing
RT is hit or miss but if you compare modern games even with software RT to last gen games, the difference is stark. I'm playing a game from 2018, and the lighting is horrible compared to modern standards

ah yes the classic benchmark game: marvel

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>>102489413
As long as nvidia numba wan it is an important game.
>god of war
literal WHO

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>>102487722
Cheap boards are fine but you lose features

>>102487754
It's fine, although you want to make sure the board has good enough power delivery for that i5. You'll want to unlock (or at least increase) the TDP, otherwise the multicore performance of the CPU will be throttled.

>>102488045
>>102488084
Same thing happens on Radeon cards, liar. It's the way the engine handles VRAM.
Radeon will collapse first under VRAM pressure

Adding two extra small fans has really cooled my system by a lot

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>>102488635
>max graphics + some Raytracing at 1440p & 144-165hz+
>black myth wukong
You really want to optimize your games.
https://youtu.be/NlkgVAWqcKY?si=wvcnhUuKb1WxV2Y7
Max settings in Wukong are needlessly expensive. If you want PT, you'll need a strong card. I would recommend a 4080 at minimum for DLSS Quality + Frame Gen

>>102488795
It's Intel's reconstruction tech. Good reconstruction is required for a modern graphics card, and Intel is trying to sell modern graphics cards

>>102488919
Just get a 5080. Don't bother buying used or last gen

>>102489129
Because the actual performance is closer to >>102489388

So I have 4 thermal solutions I can apply on my 5900x
-Thermalright TF9, an unused tube of 1.5g and just a small bit of another (was told to spread well and it's honestly an herculean effort to do so)
-An unused tube of SYY 159 (was told it's only sort of good for GPU/laptop dies and dries off quickly)
-4 IHS' worth of tpcm7125 (perhaps it's a little bit too thin, also not the easiest to apply either)
-About 2 or 3 pea dot applications of Noctua NT-H1 give or take (hasn't failed me much I guess)
Which one shall I use?

>>102489129
i always hear bad things about amd drivers so i avoid it

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>>102489413
It's typical UE5 when DLSS is engaged
DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is better than native on average in Unreal games

>>102489434
>muh ps4 game
What happens when you post something modern?
God forbid you post anything with DLSS or RT

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>>102489613
when is nvidia going to unfuck their driver overhead?

What the fuck did I just waste money on a 4080 super?

>>102489585
Which is closest to hand - it doesn't make enough of a difference in practical terms to matter.

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>>102489625
>muh 4% in one benchmark
You really want to bring up driver overhead?

>>102489631
Nice trolling faggot

I don't know if it's offtopic, but is there a way to check what the exact cause of a performance issue with a game would be?
I'm having a particular game that for some stupid reason fluctuates between 80 and 120fps continuously for a bit in specific areas. It's a quick thing that's very, very jarring when moving the camera around with a controller (not as noticeable with a mouse for obvious reasons). I don't think there's any bottleneck at hand going by examples of bottlenecks. I have games that are more demanding running much better. But I also have accounts of people saying this doesn't happen on nvidia GPUs (which is what I have now, this didn't happen before on a weaker AMD GPU).

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>>102489625
>>102489648
Because I can show you what meaningful driver overhead actually looks like

>>102489633
Problem is they're all at the same distance except for the TF9. Quite literally. Right now I don't have to extend my hand much and I can reach all of these.
I guess the noctua is the easiest to apply.

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I need opinions on the sizes/shape of these cases, the thermaltake core V1 and Lian li a3, the lian li surprisingly has more room for a bigger cooler and motherboard, but I don't know how much I like the size that's basically a smaller tower. What do you guys think? The 4000d is for reference

https://comparesizes.com/comparison/Thermaltake-Core-V1-vs-Lian-LI-A3-vs-Corsair-4000D/1726934046241

>>102489648
>dlass

>>102489651
in b4 it is a dx9 game with a bajillion drawcalls stalling the game.

>>102489648
an already cpu bound game such as space marine 2 at 1080p isnt much of a gpu benchmark

i get maybe a little bit better fps with standard 4080 and 7800X3D at 1440p

>>102489586
Wat????
i always hear bad thing about Nvidia drivers today :/ that's why I bought a steam deck

>>102489681
Nah it's forced dx12. Doesn't even support dx11.

>>102487214
What's a good PSU to pair with a 5800x3d and a 4070 TI S?

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>>102489660
>>102489625
>>102489613
>>102489584
>>102489434
>>102489388
how's the invasion going?

>>102489693
What game? Details man

>>102489524
>you want to make sure the board has good enough power delivery for that i5. You'll want to unlock (or at least increase) the TDP, otherwise the multicore performance of the CPU will be throttled.
Will look into it, thank you

CPU: i3-2120
Mobo: asus P8H61-MX
RAM: 4Gb
PSU: 240W IIRC
GPU: None, Intel HD Graphics
Budget: ~$150

A kid I know wants to upgrade this to something semi-usable for casual gaming. I think he should get:

2x8Gb RAM sticks (under $20 on Aliexpress)
500-600W PSU (~$60 in my country)
Xeon E3-1240 v2 - server i7 3770 equivalent (also like $20 on Ali)

What would you pick as an ultra budget GPU for $50-60? I see used 1060s on the local marketplace for that money, and my own one still kicks. Any better options or other suggestions regarding the build?

>>102487214
Is overclocking ram worth it for a ryzen 5700? Currently using a 3200 cl16

>>102489709
750W 80+ gold

why do people upgrade to am5 when 5700x3d and 5800x3d are so good, just put the extra money into a good gpu

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>>102489679
There's no DLSS in that benchmark. But it is better than native on average, thanks for noticing

>>102489689
>cpu bound game
That's the point. Anon is pretending that Nvidia has meaningful driver overhead (which is CPU related) that gets in the way of performance

>>102489651
>is there a way to check what the exact cause of a performance issue
Not really, issues can be very difficult to diagnose. One step up from RTSS would be presentmon, where you can look at GPU Busy vs CPU load. There are much more complicated ways to analyze performance, and Nvidia has some free profiling tools available
https://developer.nvidia.com/performance-analysis-tools
They're mostly for developers though

My suggestion is to force the performance profile for that game to maxium through the driver, especially if it's a lite game. Also mess with the V-sync options in the driver. I'm playing The Council right now, and it has problems with V-sync
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Council#Low_FPS_even_on_high-end_hardware

FSR looks so fucking shit how can anyone even use this or call it acceptable

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>>102487299
The one by Lian Li

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I'm starting to get it
novideo shills use their weekends for the side hustle

>>102489781
The next best step after my current 650w bronze which is close but no cigar I suppose. Not looking forward to plugging everything back in.

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>>102489388
>beta
This one is funnier, when $2k current gen gpu lost to the 6800 for $300 KEK

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>>102489871
wooooooow

>Inb4 butthurt reply with another img

>>102489914
honestly coloured cable extenders make this much more pleasant if your case lets you tuck all the extra cabling under the shroud

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>>102489927
Looks like garbage to me

>>102489932
NTA and honestly DLSS does look the best but who in their right mind pays a 40% premium for that when afmf is going to keep getting better and eventually close the gap? All these techs are going to run into diminishing returns, it's pointless to gloat over having 3% less blurry images temporarily

>FSR3
so fucking shit I just cannot even imagine not even having access to DLSS

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Retard here
I need to store my increasingly large porn stash, i plan to get this 22 TB drive for it:
MG10AFA22TE

now i want to fit this into an external hdd docking station. needs to be simple, just plug it in, ideally two slots. any quick ideas?

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holy shit lol they just gave up

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>>102489959
Yeah, when your gpu for $2k loses to a $300 one? That’s garbage

>>102489972
>>102489977
DLSS is slower and worse looking in XVI & XIV than FSR and I have a 4080 super

>>102489938
I paid more than I had to for a platinum 850w instead because I liked the name :)

>>102489927
>call of duty
Next time pick a game people actually play if you want to post a relevant benchmark.

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wow they finally figured out FSR is so shit you need AI bravo AMD only took 4 generations lolololololololol

>>102489995
Why are you posting on a phone? Hell your user agent is leaking android jeet. Are you this much of a seething cope jit?

Browsing 4chan at 280 hz

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OH WAIT LMAO AMD IS FOCUSING ON HANDHELDS ONLY LOLOL

>>102490035
>>102490016
>>102489995
Why are you posting on a phone poorfag

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DON'T WORRY AMD PS5 PRO IS COMING Q4

are there any plans for zen5 x3d release?
Im wondering if I should just pull the trigger on the 7800x3d now

>>102490040
what kind of people do you think nvidia hires for online shilling?

>>102490016
>>102490035
Why would you use worse graphics on your PC?
Upscaling is for low power devices only, such as handhelds, laptops and consoles

>>102490061
The only reason to wait would be for the 5090. The 7800x3d is good enough that it will almost never be running at 100% and causing a CPU bottleneck

>>102489837
>That's the point. Anon is pretending that Nvidia has meaningful driver overhead (which is CPU related) that gets in the way of performance

wouldnt this be dependent on how many threads you have

DLSS looks better than native
FSR looks worse than native LMAO

Buy AMD cry forever

I'm going with Njudea for my next GPU but waiting for the 5000 series.

>>102490187
its crazy that amdrones have been deluding themselves and think this isn't the case

dlss + framegen is literally still black magic

>muh latency
>muh artifacts
you can not see any of this when youre playing games

7900XTX - Flopped low sales
7900XT - Flopped low sales
7900GRE - China only Flopped low sales, worldwide release flopped low sales
7800XT - Flopped low sales
7700XT - Flopped low sales + pointless
7600XT - Flopped low sales

RDNA3 - Flopped completely AMD turns to Ryzen APUs and PS5 Pros to increase sales of failing graphics

>>102489989
Anon pls send help

Deep Learning Super Coping

>nvidiaGPT shitposting at triple the usual rate
what happened?

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Bestselling AMD GPU - RX580 lmao

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>>102487214
lol

>>102490274
>remove protective film

>>102490274
Nuu my image got flipped

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>>102490282
This is just to see if the gpu will cover where i planned to route my cables

>>102490274
>white parentboard
based
trans rights, sister!

I am happy with my 4070 super
Why aren't people happy with their GPUs

>>102489989
>>102490248
You need to get help for your porn addiction

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What?

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>>102489996
All Radeonfriends like you can do is lie
Radeon doesn't have Frame Gen in Hogwarts
FSR is garbage
And here's the like for like comparison from the Wormz video that shows the RTX card substantially outperforming the RX card
https://youtu.be/WU9bbHfJ65Q?si=IxZG81EMAiVipRUf&t=1193

>>102490128
Most CPUs have excessive threads these days
You'd have to go back to an i7 7700 to find something that doesn't have enough multicore for Nvidia's driver at high framerates, and of course that's not something you'd pair with a high end GPU anyway, so you'd be more likely to be GPU limited

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If there's anyone here with an AM5 build, please let me know what motherboard you use and if it has any coil whine

>>102490342
I had to return mines due to so many driver issues with MPO, games, etc. nobody helped me here and just told me to get AMD

>>102490376
no
i gotta LOAAAAAAAD

How to fix display corruption on new 4060? Posting from my iPhone. Never had issues with my Radeon.

>>102490423
Do DLSS frames count towards the limit?

>>102490423
>shoop
nice try

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>>102490424
But you’re the liar, here’s the actual FPS with frame gen enabled and it’s way worse than the Radeon gpu without it
https://youtu.be/WU9bbHfJ65Q?feature=shared&t=1336
And FSR FG can be modded into any game with DLSS FG at this point

>>102490217
the only people who are going to win as waitfags are the ones waiting for a 32gb 5090 / titan (probably 2026+).
the 50 series is either the same performance with the same price, or it's better but you pay for the improvement.
nvidia only stopped producing 3060's last month, and the 4060 was a downgrade in vram, which justified it being significantly faster than the 3060 (like 20%).
Nvidia and AMD do not want to release a disruptive price, because it reduces the profits of a very unprofitable and unimportant part of their business, at least half of all the GPU's are priced perfectly in the balance of performance, other GPU's are old and don't make sense at all in terms of raw performance (but maybe they got a really good cooler or something).
If nvidia releases a GPU that is very distruptive, it's possible that being patient and waiting a few months could mean that you could buy a 4060 for 50% discount if they have too much stock and nvidia gives permission to reduce the price (but it buttfucks the stores since they lose profits, and nvidia since the 4060 is still going to be produced for a few years, so it's never going to happen, and nothing disruptive is going to be released).
Maybe waiting is good for AI, because it's likely the older GPU's will lose support for newer python libraries that depend on newer CUDA features (I don't think the 50 series adds anything crazy to cuda however, but we will see).

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>>102490322
They got nothin on this

>>102490446
so they did help you?

Razer Cobra or Hyperx Pulsefire Haste 2? Or is there something better under €100?

>>102490322
>parentboard
Kek

>>102489837
>My suggestion is to force the performance profile for that game to maxium through the driver, especially if it's a lite game. Also mess with the V-sync options in the driver. I'm playing The Council right now, and it has problems with V-sync
The two things that work are DLSS and low latency options
I'll try that presentmon thing

>>102490466
send it back to the store and say it's broken.
if it's outside 30 days or whatever, you need to RMA with the manufacturer.
You should try putting your old GPU back in, test, then put the 4060 back in, test, and in that case it's 100% the GPU. But if that's too much work you can just return it, there are usually not downsides to returning.

>>102487242
PS5 is just an AMD apu you fucking nigger.

I keep seeing the same screenshots, the same videos from nvidia and amd friends
The same back and forth, nothing new, nothing conclusive

>>102490552
God dammit, I regret going all black

>>102489989
You need to repent and accept Jesus Christ as Lord for the salvation of your soul and to help you in this life as well.

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>>102490648
Don't blaspheme.

>>102487242
>>102487229
So Nvidia is unoptimized? Fuck.

Okay so buying the 280hz 1080 27 inch monitor was definitely worth it. So much smoother gaming on this. Surprisingly using my 29 inch 1440p 165hz monitor as my second screen works well.

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>>102490631
>nothing new
There's all kinds of new data, as new UE5 games come out every week.

>nothing conclusive
The data is massively conclusive

man sure nobody heard about those before...

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>>102490888
You don't have to have heard of them
It's typical UE5 performance
The vast majority of new games are built around reconstruction
And Nvidia is the only company to have usable reconstruction currently

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>32

what is the best time to buy components?
black friday? prime day? boxing day? before new gpu announcements?

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>>102490960
>what is dlss

>>102490960
8 frames more than you need.

>>102490552
>spirit level on the gpu
lol

What would be the a good cheap 1TB SSD for the steam deck?

>>102490966
I'm playing 1080p with a 6700 xt no problem

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There's like four actual benchmark games in that list

>>102490984
too bad steam deck use mini 2230 instead of 2280

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>>102491015
Radeon buyers are often unobservant, or they've simply never had anything good to compare to
I'm not saying you should hate yourself for buying Radeon, but just don't make the mistake again

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Why didn't it save us from running out of VRAM like it promised to?
Did Nvidia simply lie again?

I'm dumb
can you add DLSS to any game

>>102491164
not really

>>102491101
why would he need to use upscaling on a fucking 6700 xt for 1080p in the first place?

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>looking at PC part
>It doesn't come with a sticker/badge that I can stick on my case
Sorry, not buying

>looking at gpu
>it has a tamper sticker

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>>102491164
No, it's implemented by developers. Almost every demanding game has it these days

>>102491150
>salty fud

>>102491173
>why would he need to use upscaling on a fucking 6700 xt for 1080p
Because he expects to be able to play new games

>>102491289
>fake resolution
>fake frames
I sleep
show ACTUAL performance

>>102491289
I was promised a feature which isn't being used. Why shouldn't I be salty?

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>47

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I bought a nvme ssd to play games on windows (because troonix is shit), however the retard that I am did not realize my motherboard had only on nvme slot

I'm thinking, either I physically switch the ssd every time I want to play (easily accessible just one screw away) or I move my linux on a HDD and keep the ssd for windows

also heard about usb adaptor for ssd but are they any good ?

>>102490649
>>102490376
>/pcgbg/ - therapy and missionary work

>>102491400
>physically switch the ssd every time I want to play
Anon... you are retarded indeed
just plug it into an external dockingstation

you don't need 165Hz
you don't need 4k
you don't need framegen
you don't need DLSS
you don't need FSR
you don't need RTX
higher framerates won't make bad games good
lower resolution won't make good games bad

How to open a .dmp file so I can find out why my computer keeps BSODing every other week?

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>>102491363
With DLSS you can easily hit 60, usually with either better than native or acceptable image quality

>>102491326
That is actual performance you fucking retard
DLSS is what saves the Geforce card. When DLSS is enabled, it looks like >>102489388, >>102490966 or pic related.

>>102491337
You don't understand what you bought, Radeonfriend

>>102491497
Too right, last time I buy nvidia.

>>102491497
This guy is a spamming faggot. No one uses this fake website.

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>>102491521
You're too poor for Nvidia

>>102491530
>it's F-F-F-FAAAAAAKE
So are you

>>102491497
>DLSS is what saves the Geforce card
ahh so fake shit is what saves it from appearing how it truly is, a scam

>>102491585
I had saved the money I spent on a 3070ti on a radeon, I could have better performance and more vram. Nvidia lied to me.

>Check Ryzen Master
>Shows curve optimizer settings per core being applied fine
>Check the BIOS
>Curve optimizer settings are disabled
Is this right?

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>>102491595
DLSS is better than or equivalent to native at 1440p or 4K Quality
Luddite retards like you are forced to pay the native tax, and it serves you right that you can't play new games without being forced to use the garbage that is FSR

>>102491620
Ryzen Master doesn't overwrite bios settings, just for that session. If you're going to do any undervolts just do it through the bios.

>>102491627
>is better than or equivalent to native at 1440p or 4K Quality
LOL
it's time to stop posting, anon, you're writing yourself in a hole you can't get out from
you've basically just invalidated all your previous attempts at convincing anyone

What the fuck is the point of the NH D15 G2? It's not even quieter than the original d15 or anything

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>>102491733
I have the data to back it up. I posted a huge survey of games
Want to see Starfield?

>>102491745
To fit bendy intel cpus.

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And this is how you know the retarded VRAMemer Radeonfriends in /pcbg/ are just liars, who pretend to either be unsatisfied with their Nvidia cards or pretend to buy Radeon cards almost every thread
>July 18, 2023
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-io-for-geforce-gpus-available-now/
RTX IO >>102491150 was announced after the RTX 40 series launch
But he pretends that "his" 3070 Ti didn't get the feature he was promised >>102491603 which is not only false but he's so stupid he can't even keep his story straight

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>>102491748
>no bro bro bro trust me, bro, DLSS, like, DLSS is like the future man it's better than the actual thing
they're both shit

>>102491829
>nobody has ever bought a last gen card

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>>102491851
DLSS is typically better than native >>102491627
And FSR is garbage
Regardless, doesn't really matter against native (although that just shows how good DLSS really is), because new games are designed around reconstruction so you'll be using either FSR or DLSS immediately. And don't forget DLAA, which I'm sure not even a retarded Radeonfriend such as yourself would try to pretend is useless.

does this psu support dual cpu motherboard?
https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/p/psu/cp-9020226-na/cx-series-cx650f-rgb-white-650-watt-80-plus-bronze-certified-fully-modular-rgb-white-psu-cp-9020226-na

the images at top and bottom of the page are conflicting

additionally drop good psu for dual cpu mobo, total 230W TDP, wont use any gpu just cpu and drives

I am getting worried...

I've got a PC (should be a X570 and Ryzen 5 something without APU), used to run it with a RTX3060 and a RX580 (the latter only used for emulation reasons).
Just a few minutes ago, I've started hearing a beeping sound coming from the case - it was interrupted and came once in regular intervals. Just beep...beep...beep...beep...going on and on, no rhythm to it.
So I turned it off, took out the RX580, tried to turn it back on. No signal on either monitor.
So I turned it off, took out the RTX3060, still no monitor.
No beeping sounds, nothing.
CPU seemed fine temp wise, so it's probably not that. Both graphics cards fan spin, the one remaining HDD I have from years ago spins up no issue.
So why the fuck doesn't it give any signal to HDMI?

>>102492229
To get rookie mistakes out of the way, did you make sure the monitor was plugged into the correct port each time

>>102492360
Yes. I've tested them with dual setup and each one individually + each port individually. Still nothing. I remember once I had to wait a while until stuff came onto screen, but that's been ages ago.
I might try seeing if the RAM is the problem, but I doubt it.

My fucking AMD card started crashing now that I have a 4k monitor. Can Nvidia please for the love of god release the 50 series already so I can just go back to gayming?

>>102492415
In order of things to try, I'd go using one stick of ram (and trying all options and different slots), then trying different hdmi cable then reseating cpu
if none of that works I think it's time to start thinking about how fucked you are

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>>102491851
He’s just mad that he was owned by 4070S and 7900GRE, while I keep winning

>>102491464
windbg

>>102492465
>how fucked you are
On the Karafucked scale of Fuckery I'd give it a 60/100. The HDD/SSD/NVMe should still work, so the data is still there.
Graphics Cards may also still work (just not in this configuration), so that'd be nice. That leaves the PSU and the Motherboard + RAM. Them 64 Gigs of RAM were not cheap. Imma be really mad if it's the motherboard, for I selected that one in particular because I was planning to upgrade CPU to something better than a freaking Ryzen 5.
In conclusion: Fucked, but could be worse - if this shit ain't working, I'll build a smaller thing with a Fractal Design Terra or something similar :/

Just cleaned out the PSU a bit, hopefully that one didn't get fucked because of dust. Remember to clean your PSU fans frens.

Do motherboards usually ship with the latest bios? Considering an ASRock board that supports 7000 series and has a bios update to support 8000/9000 series

thats the game make the x86 CPUs lackluster to try to push their ARM shit
im going to lose backwards compatibility arnt i? im going to have to kill myself

>>102492701
nope
consider a board that supports cpuless BIOS flash (usually a physical BIOS flash button on the I/O shield)

>>102492701
no
faggot
killself

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>>102492459
Still three months until high end RTX 50 gets released

>>102492598
>he thinks radeon can run native
Cute. Anyway your cherrypicks don't matter against the averages >>102491627
For example, DLSS is usually better about ghosting than native
Unlike the FSR you're forced to use in literally every current gen game

Worth upgrading from a 1080 with a 7 1700 system to one with a 4070TIS and 7950x3d? Or is it better to wait for the 5000 series? Shit feels like it's on it's last legs.

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>>102492822
It definitely can run 4K native and I don’t have to decrease quality of the image with dlss or fsr

>>102492860
Slap a 5700x3d in there and call it a day cpu wise.

>>102492860
Name three good videogames that can't be played on a 1080.

fuck the world
i'm buying a cracked out gaming computer

>>102492699
Cleaned the PSU, pulled one ram and removed the motherboard screws (for something else) but alas, it now posts? Re-seated the one RAM and it still posts?
I am very confused, but it seems to work now.

>>102487214
Well /pcbg/, I am looking for a CPU to upgrade to, Currently the
>Ryzen 9 5950x
Looks neat, but in many sites i read complains about how it either has broken pins or they are delivered used or buggy CPUs that break within a month
Is this just a problem with this particular CPU? or do you have a recommendation

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>>102492871
I played it, it looks last gen
Honestly at this point I doubt you're even pretending to be retarded

>>102492701
if they're an old board that's still in production and the "new" drivers came out a WHILE ago, most likely they'll be updated past that point
Not a guarantee but hey
it definitely won't be the most up to date

>>102492954
What you planning to do?

>>102492766
>consider a board that supports cpuless BIOS flash (usually a physical BIOS flash button on the I/O shield)
all AM5 boards have BIOS flashback
it's built into the platform

>>102492954
30% of products bought over the internet are returned.
Ponder that for a moment.
It might be impossible to find a virgin Zen 3 in 2024.

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>>102493047
> I played it, it looks last gen
Every game looks like last gen when you’re running it at low settings, especially if it’s running with DLSS instead of the real native res

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>>102493159
It looks last gen because of the shadowing
I wouldn't expect you to know because you've never been able to use RT

>>102493071
play casually, sometimes i use illustrator but nothing too demanding
I currently have a i5 4460, and while it still works the motherboard is already failing so i need an upgrade but i do want for it to last for a while

>>102493129
>go and look for one
Its slightly more expensive but considering the risk, i might as well do so if that is the case

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>>102493159
>>102493171
>low settings
Yeah let's talk about those low settings you use

>>102488937
I came into this thread to say this. I have the 4000D and I love it, it's far and away the best computer case i've ever used. All the easy to remove filters, all the mounting points, the drive swap, the retained screws, the pretty smoked glass

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>>102493171
>>102493209
> let's talk about those low settings
Nah, I don’t run DLSS/FSR/FG or any other stuff that reduces image quality , I prefer ultra instead

>>102493327
you want ARM too faggot?

>>102487242
>Switch to Linux
>No more shader stutter
>Get AyyMD so I’m not a second class citizen on the gentoos
Problem solved

>>102487214
hey guys, ive previously asked guidance here for the following 1440p/60hz build
>AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
>AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT
>B650
>32GB DDR5-6000
>Samsung 980 Pro
>Corsair H150i
>850W 80+ Gold ATX 3.0 PSU (prob Corsair or Cooler Master)
anon said it was a solid build, overpriced cooler, but ok overall
ive been doing research and im starting to consider the Xbox Series X mostly for convenience and GTA 6
still, if I pay someone to build the pc and wait for gta 6 come to pc, how would a 1tb Xbox Series X compare to that build in 1440p/60hz?
based on yt gameplays, the console seems an easy choice, specially considering price
am I missing something here?

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>>102487412
>Gay tracing
When will Nvidia-Duckies realize that they got abandoned on this?
AI is the new gimmick.
RTX is abandonware in all but name.

No refunds.

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>>102493301
>>102493427
Maybe some day you'll have the IQ and money to buy Geforce
Instead of nitpicking to try to cope with your bad decisions

>>102493431
can we please stop adding graphics cheats? we already have frame gen i feel poor having a fucking 4090

I got star wars outlaws for fucking free for buying a GPU and I don't want to even play it

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>>102493466
You seem confused

>>102493503
I have never in my life played a free promo game that came with a CPU/GPU/dragon dildo.

>>102493545
people make games around these new features and crank everything up without optimization cause they expect you to turn these features on

>>102493177
If you live near a microcenter, I'd grab a 7600x3d
If not, probably a 7700(x)
5950x is hugely overkill production wise, which you apparently don't need. 7700(x) is cheaper & performs better in games. Honestly even a 7600(x) would serve you fine but since you have the money to spend, why not

>>102493591
i did when i got blackflag for free

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>>102493431
> Maybe some day you'll have the IQ and money to buy Geforce
I don’t think I’ll fall that low to buy a 4070 tier stuff to get owned by nvidia and amd with 4070S for the same price and 7900gre for even less
Or ps5 pro even, I’ve heard they’ll use the same gpu chip, KEK

>>102493657
>>102493657
>>102493657

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>>102493645
>sensor that turns on the lights when you get close
Cyberpunk 2077 really is technologically ahead
Too bad you're too poor to use RT, Mrs. Low Settings

>>102487214
>Premium: Samsung 990 Pro (Windows only)
Why only windows?

>>102493394
>how would a 1tb Xbox Series X compare to that build in 1440p/60hz?
It's hard to compare apples to apples because consoles fuck with dynamic resolutions and often are hard to match settings on pc, but most likely it's not even close.
People said a close GPU to xbox series X is 6750x (which I doubt isn't stronger) and the 7800xt is 30-50% stronger than that, plus with the 7800x3d there's pretty much no chance of running into cpu bottlenecks any time soon.

>>102493708
I think it is related to sub standard performance on linux because samsung gonna samsung.

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>>102493701
> >sensor that turns on the lights when you get close
KEK
LMAO
This is your brain on 4070/xx70 series

>>102488523
cheers m8

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>>102493831
>muh nitpicks
Keep coping
Why did you buy a $1000 graphics card that has to use low settings?

>>102493863
I don't have to lower settings because I don't use gay tracing

>>102493831
lmao
>>102493863
shitbot