help wanted
>>102491977

My 4060ti 16gb arrives Monday
stay mad, I want the VRAM

What's a good am5 micro ATX motherboard that ships with support for the 8000/9000 series without needing an update?

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please...
just a crumb of new interconnect technology...
you can't just re-release Zen 2 a fourth time...

>>102493618
I guess it will depend on the availability
Still, thanks~

>>102493739
They all probably will need flashing because the boards in inventory that you could order right now were made months before new chips launched. That said, they should all have BIOS Flashback without needing a CPU installed so it won't matter. Just buy whichever board is the cheapest one that still has all the features you want.

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>>102493746
>Are you a several hundred million dollar data center company?
>No?
>Then get fucked. [RAUGHS]

>>102493784
chiplets were a mistake
letting the Fujian tea cartels gain control of world's semiconductor industry was an even bigger one

I have some thermal paste in the needle from 2 years ago from my Noctua kit, and it's dried up. Is there a way to revive it for my new build?

>>102493657
I've realized I don't even need to look to see which OP it is by GPU selection, just by the shitty RGB fish tank computers. I wouldn't take advice from someone that thinks that looks good and uses it as the thread image.

>>102493931
>spends $150 on a cooler when a $30 cooler is sufficient for anything
>too cheap for a $5 tube of fresh paste
I hate noctuafags

>>102493949
The stores are all closing and I want to finish this build tonight.

>>102493931
Should have bought a non-shit paste.
I have a syringe of Arctic Silver 5 that has now passed the age of consent and it's perfectly viable.

>>102493973
boomer

what's the next best thing for gaming CPUs now that the 7800X3D's are all over 500$?

>>102493657
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
no longer good enough for 1080, new bare minimum is 4070 super TI and 7900 gre

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tell me why I shouldn't pair a 4070 with an i7 4790 (temporarily)

>>102494046
>4790
one of the most white & based CPUs out there
don't fall for the estrogen core racket

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Can you send me JEDEC 16-17-18-19 and so on for ddr4 memory?

RT = Abandonware

>>102494041
According to GeForce xister maybe and xhe would delete all Radeon cards of course

>>102494074
I don't think JEDEC ever specified timings for speeds in excess of 3200.

>>102494151
Do most data centers and other giant money servers stick to JEDEC or go beyond it?

>>102494195
They use what is validated for their platform.

>>102494195
Right now I'd expect the big players to be using DDR5 or actively switching to it but generally yes. When you're running 8 channels, 2DPC, and x4 sticks you can't really push the memory clock. Moreover you don't even want to because any instability is extremely expensive.

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>games don't bother with lights and shadow anymore unless you turn on RT
>"wow RT is so ebin we totally didn't have that before!"

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-adopting-spir-v/

As we look to the future, maintaining a proprietary IR format (even one based on an open-source project) is counter to our commitments to open technologies, so Shader Model 7.0 will adopt SPIR-V as its interchange format.

HIS GPU DOESN'T SUPPORT SHADER MODEL 7.0

NGMI

>>102494361
>MS getting desperate to find some way to foist their garbage onto the niggercattle after seeing W11 adoption numbers
lol
lmao

>>102494195
they stick to JEDEC
memory speed and timings matter less when you have lots of memory sticks

>>102494231
>>102494246
>>102494426
TY for the replies.

my current PC is almost bang-on 7 years old and is starting to show its wear
What do you think of this 1440p PC?

>CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
>CPU cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 Black Dual Loop
>Mobo: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI MB, B650
>GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER GAMING OC 12G
>RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB (2x16GB) PC5-48000 (6000MHz) DDR5
>SSD: Samsung 2TB SSD, 980 PRO
>Case: Lian Li Lancool III
>PSU: Cooler Master MWE Gold V2 ATX 3.0 750W Power Supply, 80PLUS Gold

I could push the case down to a 4000D to knock off a few bucks

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>>102494341
You're misremembering, they never did
This is a game from 2018

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>>102494731
Must be lost technology.

>>102494722
>>SSD: Samsung 2TB SSD, 980 PRO
you likely don't need an SSD that good. Going to a NV2 saves like 40 bucks (assuming you can actually get that 980 pro with heatsink for 150, otherwise you save like a hundred)

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>>102494793
>a few stencils
You're easy to please

A friend of mine is asking for the best GPU he can get (NEW) for >$400 CAD. Best ones I can find are:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qpzXsY/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-dual-rtx4060-o8g-white
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/rh7scf/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7600-xt-8-gb-video-card-gv-r76gaming-oc-8gd

Are there better options?

>>102495159
>the best GPU he can get (NEW) for >$400 CAD
are you sure you didn't mean <$400

>>102495226
I am dumb and I don't know my mathematical symbols.
Yes, I meant <400.

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>>102494361
I'd say this is bad. It's basically Microshart signalling that it's not going to put its resources into DirectX anymore (likely because they've given up on Xbox), meaning open sores stagnation, except where some external entity comes in and pushes the boundaries. Khronos Group hasn't done shit to push anything forward, and Vulkan wouldn't even exist without AMD dumping Mantle on them.

Likely this signals the return to more proprietary models from the hardware vendors, instead of a neutral third party (M$) keeping the playing field at least somewhat level. The divide between the haves and the have-nots will likely increase. Think back to the G-sync days where RTG didn't release Freesync for a couple of years after the fact, except with graphics. Nvidia might bankrupt RTG quite quickly, as RTG can't keep up even when M$ gives the a target for hardware acceleration like RT or tessellation. It'll be like DLSS where it takes RTG at least five years to catch up (if they even can with FSR4) every time Nvidia makes a move

I kind of want to build a 7700x/4080 gaming PC but I also don't really have any games I want to play. Should I just wait for Blackwell/RDNA4 and to see if AMD can salvage Zen 5?
t. sold my 7700x/4080 PC on a whim a month ago for the same price I had built it for 8 months ago

reminder that if your GPU costs more than your CPU, you are one gigantic faggot.

>>102494940
Does anybody still buy SSDs with integrated heatsinks? I helped a friend destructively remove the heatsink from a Samsung 980 Pro because it wouldn't fit into his laptop otherwise (he bought it against my advice because "woah dude in reviews it doesn't throttle like other SSDs!")

maybe I'm pretentious, but I couldn't buy a pre-built PC
there would always be 1-2 components I didn't want

>>102495424
yeah man let me just pair my 7600X with a fuckin 3050 lol

>Lucked out with a crypto gamble, cashed out £3k for the yearly tax allowance to treat myself to a full new build for my birthday
Can't decide if I'm going 7900 XTX or try and swing for a 4090, which are still fucking ridiculous and start at £1600 alone this side of the pond. Might be able to keep it at that 3k line.

>>102495549
Why not just get a 4070 ti super
I don't know why anyone bothers buying these absolute top of the line cards

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i have to remove all cables from my pc and hold the power button down every time i turn it on, otherwise the gpu is not detected. someotimes internal graphics is even not detected. whats up with that?

>>102495549
You'd have to be retarded to buy a 7900 XTX. Doesn't even compete with a 4080, let alone a 4090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s

How powerful of a GPU can I get with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU? I really don't want to upgrade my CPU until I have to. I have a 3060 12gb at the moment.

>>102495619
Maybe a 7900 XT/4070 Ti Super or so? Depends on the resolution you game at, the higher the less work the CPU is doing and the more GPU-bound things are.

>>102495574
Sounds like a bad memory stick. Once you get it to turn on boot it to BIOS and do the memtest.

>>102493669
Cool what will you do with it? AI stuff? What AI stuff?

>>102495698
Thanks, and I play at 1080 resolution. I'll probably upgrade my GPU, and if the performance jump isn't high enough, then I'll upgrade my CPU as well.

>>102495567
4070Ti super was tempting actually, but it still feels like a bit of a rip paying that much for 16gb

>>102493746
>re-release Zen 2 a fourth time
Why not? 40% IPC gains! Who wouldn't want 16% IPC gains? You think getting 8% IPC gains is easy? 5% IPC gains is practically a new architecture! Look at the power efficiency this is so good when you are using 2000 in a server- um I mean when you using 1 in your new gaming PC!

Whats the go to options for cheap windows 11 keys? I dont want to mess around with scripts and workarounds if i can just pay $10 for a legit key. This used to be common place, havent built a pc in a while.

>>102494722
It's fine but it doesn't excite me
does it excite you? Really does it?

>>102495777
I hate Enterprise / AI markets so much. They are holding back consumer technology by nearly a decade at this point.

>>102493746
Zen 6 is supposed to replace Infinity Fabric with some organic mumbo jumbo
Also it probably isn't made by the same retarded monkeys that made Zen 5 so it shouldn't be shit on release

>>102495786
>>>/g/fwt/
but i'll save you some time
https://massgrave.dev/

13700K. Updated the bios when it hit last month. Very careful about CPU settings, because... you know... CPU news fear porn. Got tired of being afraid, and cranked all my overclocks back up. 5.8ghz/4.5ghz
I ran all kinds of stress tests including some pi stresser some anon here recommended and it never skipped a beat. Screw it. Maybe I won the chip lottery.

>>102495867
Static OC is actually safer than dynamic boosting, since it's the high VID that degrades them.

>>102495867
14700k and still haven't updated. I just undervolted mine. Runs a lot slower but I'm waiting. I can't really trust Intel no more so I'm hesitant to update.

What's a good am5 micro ATX motherboard that ships with support for the 8000/9000 series without needing an update?

>>102495909
It's a 5 year warranty now, so it's their problem, not mine. I didn't pay what I did to tip-toe around.

>>102494079
https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse

still can't believe it's free

>>102495929
Updating a bios is super easy these days.

>>102495867
if you have a manual overclock at a safe(-ish) voltage it's not a problem for you
>>102495909
>Runs a lot slower
turn off CEP and undervolt until it becomes unstable
no performance loss if you do it right

>>102495929
all AM5 boards have BIOS flashback
don't worry about it

>>102496010
>turn off CEP and undervolt until it becomes unstable
>no performance loss if you do it right
Yeah, I didn't do it right. I just downloaded XTU and undervolted by -0.100V. Doesn't touch 1.4v and stays below 1.35V.
I'll probably update soon and do a proper undervolting. But I don't know how to undervolt at all in the BIOS.

>>102496070
it can get really bad for performance if you undervolt too much with CEP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOC6cNToFc
compare cinebench scores between stock and your undervolt, if it's more than like a 5% difference you're clock stretching

>>102495805
Go buy arrowlake then
It's a consumer focused design unlike ryzen

>>102495984
>>102496061
Doesn't that require a flash drive? I don't have access to any PC right now that I can use to install the update into one

>>102496202
>Doesn't that require a flash drive?
yes
>I don't have access to any PC right now that I can use to install the update into one
stupid phoneposter

>>102496111
>clock stretching
yeah, i don't know what this means.

can you recommend me a modern case that can have fans on the side throwing air directly into the mobo and gpu?
most modern ones only seem to have them on the front, top and rear, with the sides being one glass window and the other one for arranging cables

>>102496251
it means the CPU is silently slowing itself down behind your back
when it detects that the voltage is too low it skips clock cycles to maintain stability
on AMD you can detect this by looking at the "effective clock" in hwinfo but i don't know of any method to detect it on intel

7800X3D are all Sold out in my area wtf!

>>102496257
o11 Dynamic has been everyone's choice. It's pretty good.

>>102496262
Oh cool. I didn't know that.
I don't know anything about overclocking so 99% of the settings in BIOS is gibberish to me.
If I can just find a guide for an ASUS Z790 undervolting video that I can follow then I would be more inclined to do it. I hate having to fiddle around with the settings to see what does what.

What do you people think of the Asus p201 case?
Is there anything that makes it better than the decade old Thermaltake Core cases, like the V21?

I'm afraid of buying old stuff because of the "new must be better" prejudice, but I don't know if cases are really better than those of the late 2000s and early 2010s.

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I need some desk suggestions lads. I have a 3 monitor set up currently but I want a nice solid desk that can handle that and have my rigs on the desk as well and not below

>>102496289
Next gen x3d chips should come out sometime in the near future, so there probs isn't a lot of production for last-gen anymore.

>>102496612
I was a waitfag, but my PC decided to crap out on me last week. I can't wait till february for a 20% increase.

>>102496632
Just get a cheap am5 CPU to tide you over then

Why would I need more than 16 GB RAM if I dont run any VMs?

>>102496683
yes

>>102496735
OK fix my build you nerdshit whiteboi cuck
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rkTd34

I must have the 4070S

>>102496909
i'm black
and now i don't feel like it

>>102496683
>Why would I need more than 16 GB RAM if I dont run any VMs?
to flex on people with only 16gb of ram

how long until PCIe 7

Do Intel Arc cards need resizable bar even if they're only used for encoding? Do you lose performance without it?

>>102496924
Post BBC

>>102496683
Browser. Seen a 16GB PC almost shit itself while having a couple dozen YT tabs open.

>>102493746
Just take the Arrow Lake ring bus pill

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>100$ off
is the 7900xtx worth it?

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>>102493746
They just did and you will thank them for it

No

3060 or 7700 xt?

>>102495364
If you don't have any games you want to play then you might as well just wait for 9800x3d, RDNA 4 and Nvidia 50-series to drop in january at the latest.

>>102494722
How much would this cost?

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>>102497474
You can get a refurbished 4080s on amazon for only 70 dollars more

Do you think the Bartlett lake cpus will actually be a thing?
I want to see if I can get a final upgrade to my 12400f without changing motherboard

FormD case - meme or actually good?

>>102497785
i hope so, 12 P-cores and a Z690/Z790 with DDR4 support would be a very nice upgrade from AM4

>>102497781
>refurbished
aside from that, it is honestly tempting

>>102497698
For just gaming, 7700xt
For mixed use, 3060

>>102497847
Good, possibly peak ultra-small form factor but expensive
The Fractal Terra steals some of the design ideas in a cheaper but also larger case

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>>102496683

Any reason not to get the ASRock B650M PG Lightning? I'm looking for a simple micro ATX motherboard and it seems to have everything I need

just halved my bank account

>>102497968
I bought one a couple weeks ago for a 7800x3d, no complaints. It has 3x m.2 slots, which is more than you usually get at that price point. VRMs are perfectly fine, though you might want something higher end if you're looking to pair it with a 16 core.

>>102497875
IMO the 4080s isn't worth to get once the dollar gap crosses $100 between it and 7900 XTX due to how late it is in the cycle and how nvidia gatekeeps only 1 gen old cards from newer feature sets. Also 16GB vram on a 4k card in 2024 isn't good when we're starting to reach the limits of it there, especially when DLAA/RT/FG are used.

>>102498021
Did you buy milk and bread at the same time?

>>102497785
Yes I do. Intel needs a viable offramp for degraded chip returns. I think it could be a sleeper hit, especially the 12 P-Core part as it'll work with cheap LGA1700 boards and DDR4 RAM.

>>102493657
>OP says RX 7700 XT
>but avood AMD cards
Newfag here, explain pls. 7700 is just within my budget

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/L3W2t7
will this be good enough as a workstation. not a gaymer so no gpu

>>102497968
How is ASRock B650 Steel Legend? I got it on sale before it went out of stock everywhere and it's honestly the best value motherboard you can get for AM5.

>>102498078
Ignore OP GPU recs, they change every thread to troll people
7700xt is fine, if that's as far as budget allows.

>>102496683
I have 32gb and started messing with LLMs. I have maxed the ram so many times that now I'm planning to upgrade to 64gb.

>>102498088
Ah damn it, I thought I could trust OP. I pretty much chose parts based off that
At least I haven't bought anything yet

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>>102497698
If they're the same price, the 7700 XT. Otherwise I can't recommend Radeon, gaming or otherwise.

>>102497474
Of course not

>>102498078
Not worth buying Radeon for gaming because of FSR. Worth buying Geforce, as the reality is that, in terms of image quality vs performance, even a 4060 Ti is on par with a 7800 XT.

>>102498034
Do you notice any coil whine at all in it?

>>102498147
Why don't modern games have MSAA or SSAA

>>102494013
7500F or 7700 AliExpress deals

>>102498147
RTX 3060 is $130 USD cheaper than 7700 XT. Given that it has DLSS and the same amount of VRAM it's a much better deal.

>>102498127
I think in this case the OP just means avoid AMD for workstation use, which might make sense if your software relies on CUDA. For pure gaming and if you don't care too much about RT, AMD is fine.

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>>102498150
Nope, but I've never actually experienced coil whine with any part I've bought over the years so maybe I just don't know what to listen for. I keep my fans at a fairly low RPM and don't notice any high pitched noises, so I assume it's okay.

>>102498244
Nvidia is better for gaming too.

I bought my CPU from bestbuy but they didn’t have the 2 games promo like in newegg or amazon. Is there a way I can contact AMD for the promotion?

>>102498232
Both are 1080p cards, you don't need upscaling with either at 1080p and even DLSS quality looks awful at 1080p

>>102498303
Maybe if you're brown

>>102498297
Oh, and XMP works fine with this board, I just disabled it while testing something.

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>>102498079
Pretty good build, but with a little bit of fat left on the plate. 12th Gen Intel has really cratered in price recently such that the 12600K which is equivalent in performance to a new 7600 in application performance is slightly cheaper and will let you save further with cheaper DDR4 RAM. See benches here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/27.html

Coupled with a few savings for things like the case & NVME drive that don't affect real world performance I boosted your monitor from a 24" 1080p@165Hz display to a nicer 27" 1440p@180Hz panel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97Ak-VfqGY
^Same panel with a slightly different stand, hence the identical model SKU expect the last few letters

And still saved you an additional ~£115
Edited list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jM2gRK

>>102497775
Well this is in ausbux, comes to $2,688 ($1,827 USD)

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>>102498079
For a workstation without a dGPU, an Intel iGP is almost required.

>>102498208
Modern games are broken without TAA. That's really all I can tell you, as I'm not a game developer. Modern AA isn't just AA, it's a rendering method. Temporal techniques are used to construct each frame using information from previous frames. This is much more efficient and provides much better results than MSAA or SSAA ever could, cheaper, and is directly used in e.g., hair rendering to the point that hair is often simply missing if TAA is disabled.

>>102498232
In a lot of situations, it's true that almost any RTX Geforce card will provide better image quality than almost any Radeon card. Having said that, DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K will usually provide a 20-30% bump in performance while having equivalent image quality to native on average. That means that a Radeon card with equivalent bar chart performance needs to be at least 30% cheaper because of DLSS alone. Conversely, an equivalently priced Geforce card can be 30% slower based on DLSS alone. The 7700 XT is more than 50% faster than the 3060, so if they were price about the same, the 7700 XT might be a better option, depending on a few factors.

>>102495792
I don't want an exciting PC
"Exciting" PC is when one purchases something ridiculously overpriced like a 4090 super-master-ultra-big titty deluxe for $10,000

I don't strictly "need" a newer PC than my current 7-year-old, but my current PC seems to shut down on higher loads despite having a CPU cooler and a recent clean & thermal pasting
It's probably something with the RAM, but maybe it isn't and then I just waste money buying new parts for a PC reaching end-of-life

>>102498444
Could be a PSU or mobo problem as well. Personally I'd doubt it's an issue with RAM. If you don't need much computing power, just pick up a used Dell Optiplex 7050 Micro or something similar. You can find them with a 7th gen i7, 16 GB RAM, and an SSD for under $150. And they've got a nice form factor

>>102498417
>Well this is in ausbux, comes to $2,688
Jesus christ man, use https://au.pcpartpicker.com/ You can build a PC with those parts for well under 2K.

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Zip tying two 140mm fans to your AP201 is a viable option
But I see why it’s not a factory option, this blocks most of your motherboards bottom edge pin connectors. The gap is so it doesn’t hit the front panel connectors, and it’s not flush to the rear of the case because the front panel audio is in the way

This did drastic improvements to my gpu temps, of course.

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>>102498313
>even DLSS quality looks awful at 1080p
That's definitely not true. In fact it's often better than native or equivalent to native even at 1080p, and it's usually better than compromising meaningful settings like shadows or draw distance. Additionally, as a card ages, DLSS provides the legs it wouldn't otherwise have. I suspect that, for a lot of poorfags on 1080p, using DLSS is far preferable to spending money on a new graphics card.

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>>102498476
Are you sure about that my friend?

Add $79 to the pictured total for the missing cooler cost and we reach 2592, not a massive difference

>>102498518
Why is FSR so shit? GayMD need to get their act together.

>>102498474
I appreciate the thought, though the system functions fine when not under stress so it fulfils that low-computing function for now

is there a sound level comparison or chart for Lian li fans? I have the newset TL ones and they seem pretty loud at 1300RPM

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>>102498525
Alright I was off by a bit, but some of your part choices just don't make sense.
>7600x
Get a 7600 for less money, it will perform equally in games. You could also use the cooler it ships with, the 7600 is not a hot CPU.
>$318 motherboard
Does it actually have features you need that justify it over boards that are half the price?
>$290 samsung SSD
What is your use case for this PC? 99% chance you could use a PCI 3.0 SSD and not notice any difference, at half the cost.
Also, the RGB version of your case is slightly cheaper, you could get that and just not use any RGB headers.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4nFFBL

If you're looking to spend more money than this, then take your $500 in savings and buy a 4080 super, or a 7800x3d or something.

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>>102498530
We consumers can only hope that FSR4 delivers the machine learning based reconstruction that Geforce users have had for nearly five years. That would go a long way to closing the gap between the brands and making Radeon a viable option for modern games. Considering PSSR is ML based and coming out with the PS5 Pro, I think it's possible that RTG could mostly deliver on its ML promises for FSR4. And I hope this is the case.

>>102498518
>>102498530
>>102498623

schizo is samefagging now kek.

>>102498530
Absolutely refusing to implement AI acceleration into their GPUs even when nVidia did it in 2018.

>>102498608
The full ATX board offers better airflow, VRM cooling, and the extra slots offer potential long-term upgrade space

the 7600 is indeed a better price-performance choice

>>102498734
>The full ATX board offers better airflow, VRM cooling, and the extra slots offer potential long-term upgrade space
so it will be 5c cooler which doesn't even matter because 7000 chips are designed to run hot

>>102498755
NTA but smaller number makes me feel better
however regardless, full ATX is dumb as hell these days, with multi GPU dead and most i/o integrated into the board, i cant imagine needing more than just the one card, that being a GPU.
If you have a dedicated capture card or something? Maybe?
But then youre an outlier use case anyway, in which case get what you need for your use case. But for the majority of people it doesnt make any sense to get 7 slot boards.

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>>102498713
RX 7000 has WMMA cores. Very similar to Nvidia's Tensor cores or Intel's XMX cores. You are definitely right in that there was an implementation gap, about four years. But keep in mind that RX 5000 was HUGELY behind RTX 20. RX 5000 not only completely lacked RT: it lacked mesh shaders, various instruction sets, etc as well.
Unfortunately the software is what's massively lacking at this point. Obviously developers haven't created (and maybe simply can't create) their own ML based reconstruction techniques that run on these cores. Even Unreal's TSR doesn't leverage this part of the GPU on any vendor, and I would expect that Epic would be in the best position to implement such a technique. Sony is soon to be only the third major company after Nvidia and Intel to field an ML based reconstruction algorithm, hopefully with AMD launching one soon after Sony.

>>102498209
>7500F or 7700 AliExpress deals
yeah nah. go fuck yourself chang

Why Ryzen 7000 series and not 9000 series? Genuine question
Prices seem fairly similar, obviously 7000 is cheaper but is the jump in performance to the 9000 comparative to the price increase?

>>102499058
>but is the jump in performance to the 9000 comparative to the price increase?
No.

>>102493669
The 16 gigs of vram don't help much when the card is a piece of shit

>>102498297
>>102498335
Thanks, this board definitely seems good, and did you ever update the bios or did it ship with that bios version? If you did, what version was it at first?

Looks like Nvidia has had a top line card released in late September for 4 of their last 5 card launches, so it’s either this week or bust I’m guessing.

>>102493657
>B650 Livemixer
I bought one of these a year ago for half-price, is it cut price again or is there another reason the OP recommends it?

>>102499251
the tldr is it has the feature set of a high end motherboard but for much cheaper, asrock pulled out all the stops to show off their early am5 designs, and since its been in long production its gotten cheaper and cheaper

three m.2 slots and 13 motherfucking usb ports for under $200 is dope

>>102498623
Fake resolution of any kind is only meant for the garbage dump
Machine learning and ai are a joke

>>102499058
If you know enough about the features of 9000 series to know you'll need one over a 7000 equivalent, then you already know the value of the part. If you don't know about that, then just assume any given 9000 chip is 3-5% faster than the equivalent chip.
I've seen 9700Xs cheaper than 7700Xs (good if you'd like 8C/16T but can't afford a 7800X3D), but for the most part they're overpriced.

>>102499324
yeah but it looks like actual vomit

>>102499342
get a non windowed side panel and it doesnt matter
also actual vomit to you is mega dope to me, looks cool, reminds me of the early 2000's colorful boards

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>>102499130
This

>>102499326
It's better than native, luddite. How many times do you need to be shown?

>>102499324
I've been very happy with it. My one gripe is I do wish it had just one more high speed USB port. Oh and the post lights were pretty unhelpful when I was first doing a BIOS flash and everyone was confused about DDR5 memory training.
And the sharp fucking edges on the nvme heatsink and behind the IO shield both sliced my fingers open. I swear that's why its orange its hiding my bloodstains.

>>102499360
>better than native
>shows TAA

>>102499360
it's not for gaming though, it's for Stable Diffusion and 13b llamas
and it is super capable of high frame rate 1440p if i want to play games
>muh used 3090
that would have required me to buy a new case and PSU and the rest of my components would bottleneck the shit out of it

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>>102499417
Retard
4K isn't enough for no AA

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waiting for pcie5 nvmes to become more affordable

hopefully these dogshit oem hp biwin drives last until then

>>102494722
You can probably save money with a cheaper case and pull $100 ausdollarydoos out of your kangaroo for a 4070 ti super.

>>102499498
isn't 4070 ti super a little overkill
paying something like ~50% more for a 10-15% boost in power

>>102494722
do you have a decent psu now? i would carry the psu over if you have the wattage available and use the savings on a higher tier gpu
also potentially cut down on the ssd a bit, the 980 pro is a bit excessive

>>102499490
Okay, I'll spoonfeed you:
>4K isn't enough for no AA
Have you tried anything other than TAA? Like you know how the first guy you responded to talked about how upscaling was shit? And you kneejerked your way into saying it was better than TAA? Maybe you can think a little outside your script and consider...other AA settings that aren't blurry shit?

I believe in you, now that I've pointed you directly to the answer.

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>>102499509
>50% more
It's not, also you'll get more life out of of 4070 ti super.

>>102499514
I do have a gold 650W PSU, but I'd like a 750 on a new PC and this one is potentially acting up (mysterious undiagnosed issue that could be the PSU, Mobo, RAM; who knows)

but good thing to point out

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>>102499538
well sure if you happen to choose the cheapest model that happens to be on sale then it's only ~30% more expensive

>>102499562
Okay, I don't care what you pick. I would just pick the card that will last me longer, someone post the webm of that guy playing hogwarts legacy on the 4070 super.

>>102499562
Another $60 and you've got a 7900XT

>>102499597
that's how it goes right, spend a little more and then go the next rung up

>>102493657
i5 2500k
4gb ram (2x2gb lol)
HD 6950

How much ram does this need to be somewhat functional?

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>>102499533
TAA is better than SMAA and MSAA
Hate to break it to you. If I still had RDR2 installed, I'd prove it with a webm (but I don't, and that's the most recent game with MSAA that I'm aware of)
Anyway it's irrelevant, as modern games like Starfield don't allow anything but TAA or some other temporal technique
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1716740/discussions/0/3824173464656669520/

>>102499608
realistically 16gb of ddr3 1600 these days costs nothing, id just get a 16gb kit
though 32gb would help with some very niche scenarios, if you play modded cities skylines, miinecraft or something, the 2500k would barely hold up but 32gb of ram would help with that

>>102499608
8gb can handle basic internet machine no problem, especially if you use gnu plus linux

>>102499610
RDR2 doesn't have real MSAA retard
Post discarded

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>>102499661
Poor little guy
Should have bought Geforce

>>102499562
>12G
ngmi

>>102499677
this water looks worse than the morrowind mge water did 14 years ago

>>102499136
I did update it, the version it shipped was from March-April this year, I think

>>102499689
Let's see a webm

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>>102499706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tenzjb7EHYA

this is newer but doesnt look that much different

picrel is the classic mge afaik

so is this a scam site or a legit store?
https://yestonstore.com/collections/all

MY LEGS ARE OPEN. GIVE ME THAT MASSIVE 5090, JENSON

>>102499706
>>102499726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZTuqEArwZg

would be nice if these idiots could have set some better distant land settings so they didnt run at 10fps

>>102499746
Oh nonono

Please Jensen! Just give me a hint, a whiff even, of the RTX 50 series release date!

>>102499790
you could probably figure out a reasonable approximation by extrapolating from past sales and inventory figures somewhere with the recently disclosed 4090 production end date

>>102499790
Spread your legs, boy

>>102499610
TAA is more efficient, but doesn't look better than MSAA. Still you seem to be pretty intellectually stunted to not realise everyone pointing you to DLAA.

>>102499790
If 4090 production is being shut down for 5090 production in October then you have to assume soon. Jensen needs these products rolling.

>NVIDIA GeForce 2

NVIDIA GeForce2 PRO - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce2 Ti - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit

>NVIDIA GeForce 3

GeForce3 - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit
GeForce3 Ti200 - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit
GeForce3 Ti500 - 64 MB, DDR, 128 bit

>NVIDIA GeForce 4

NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400 - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit

>GeForce 5

GeForce FX 5700 Ultra - 128 MB, GDDR2, 128 bit
GeForce FX 5800 - 128 MB, GDDR2, 128 bit
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra - 256 MB, DDR, 256 bit
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra - 256 MB, DDR, 256 bit

GeForce PCX 5750 - 128 MB, DDR, 128 bit
GeForce PCX 5900 - 128 MB, DDR, 256 bit
GeForce PCX 5950 - 256 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit

>GeForce 6

GeForce 6600 GT - 128 MB, GDDR3, 128 bit
GeForce 6800 - 256 MB, DDR, 256 bit
GeForce 6800 GT - 256 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
GeForce 6800 Ultra - 256 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit

>GeForce 7 series

GeForce 7600 GT - 256 MB, GDDR3, 128 bit
GeForce 7800 GT - 256 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
GeForce 7800 GTX - 256 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
GeForce 7900 GTX - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
GeForce 7950 GT - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit

>GeForce 8 series

GeForce 8600 GT - 512 MB, GDDR3, 128 bit
GeForce 8800 GT - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
GeForce 8800 GTX - 768 MB, GDDR3, 384 bit
GeForce 8800 Ultra - 768 MB, GDDR3, 384 bit

>GeForce 9 series

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX - 512 MB, GDDR3, 256 bit

>GTX 200 Series

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 - 896 MB, GDDR3, 448 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 - 1024 MB, GDDR3, 512 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 - 896 MB, GDDR3, 448 bit

Kino

>>102499878
I'd bet production has already ended and the announcement of it being discontinued is just so retailers won't ask for more 4090s once Nvidia says they've run out

>>102499926
the spam is getting boring

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>>102499873
DLAA is nothing more than higher resolution DLSS. It's slightly better, but unusable at 4K in the best looking games even on a 4090.

4K DLSS Performance > 1440p DLSS Quality >1080p DLAA
In other words, just saying "muh DLAA" is meaningless

>>102499744
this is a reddit post im linking, top tier cringe
https://www.reddit.com/r/YestonOfficial/comments/16d4oxs/yeston_store/
its yestons business reddit account sharing that website as their non CN/JP marketplace
so yes, its legit
use their mall.jd they link through their website though if youre in asian markets

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>>102499744
anyone? reason I ask is because I ordered something from them yesterday, and today I get an email saying it was cancelled for unforeseen reasons (I did get a refund though so I have no idea why it said it has not been refunded)

>>102500045
well nice to know it's legit, but why did they refund? the card is still in stock

>>102500056
>your payment has not been refunded
kek

>>102500101
(it has)
checked with my bank and everything

>>102500056
Dodged a bullet

>>102500056
your payment has not been refunded is a chinglish typo
as for why? no clue, a lot of other people have posted the same thing in relation to the website, or had issues ordering
contact their customer service and see if they can explain why, others ive read online noted they dont live update stock on the site so it may have been out of stock if theyre handling sales manually

>>102500146
>contact their customer service
alright i'll do just that
thanks anon

>>102500056
so aside from the gpu, anything else i should change or replace?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2QjP28

I want to upgrade my i7-8700k and the 32GB of 1700mhz DDR3 I have.
Thinking about to wait for the ryzen 9700x3d . Dumb idea? Will it be that much better?
Also RAM, 64 GB of DDR5 at 6000mhz or higher?
Thank you anons for the answer in advance

>>102500586
9800x3d will prob be fine, and 7800x3d is largely out of stock or overpriced atm
more than 32gb ram isnt needed for gaming

>>102498088
These GPU recs are probably completely serious and I agree with them, provided you do 5-10 years with a GPU.

>>102500675
>5-10 years with a GPU
Beyond retarded
You pay a fortune for a top tier card that becomes mid range after a year, then becomes low end after 3 years. By the time you upgrade it's e-waste tier and gets shit on by APUs.
The smart move is to buy a mid-range card every other gen and sell it to offset the cost of the new one.

>>102500737
my 1060 lasted 5 years

>>102500737
selling electronics can be a hassle

>>102493657
>Xiaomi G Pro 27i
do I buy this monitor? Are there any other high refresh rate miniled IPS monitors? because I can't find any. I'm gonna play cs2, watch movies and code.

>>102500586
>Thinking about to wait for the ryzen 9700x3d. Dumb Idea?
Not at all. If you don't need to upgrade *right now* then waiting is usually the right play. I don't think it'll be /that/ much better than the 7800X3D but it's OOS at the moment so you're waiting either way.

>64GB DDR5
Not necessary for a gaming rig but fair enough if you're building high-end and have the spare budget.

>6000MHz or higher
6000 is the highest you ought to go on AMD currently. Silicon lottery permitting, 6200-6400 is possible to sync with some tweaking. Higher speeds than that require a full manual tune.

>>102500746
How long do you think the 4060 will last? It's already not enough for 1080p
>>102500815
Skill issue

>>102500737
I bought a 1080 Ti use for 1080p in 2017. Still going strong, still not thinking of changing to 1440p or 4K because I know the card cannot handle it. Still not thinking of upgrading cards either because I'm not retarded.

Jensen, I want that BBC (big black card) (5090)

>>102500965
you probably can't afford it, but because its you $2999

>>102500992
it's the same MSRP as the 4090

>>102500999
hahahaha, oh my no. that's the price of the 5080.

>>102501007
how much does AMD pay you for the FUD?

Do you need to install chipset drivers after a new build?

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>>102501019
>if you criticize Nvidia you must be a shill
this thread is proof of the contrary

>>102500919
i upgraded my 1060 to a 4080

>>102500737
980 Ti came out almost 10 years ago and we've just now gotten to the point where it literally can't play some new games (Alan Wake 2).

>>102501026
If you need some feature not present on your WHQL driver, yes.

It's gonna be my first time installing a CPU and applying thermal paste, how much am I going to fuck it up?

>>102501289
are you able to spread butter on toast?

>>102500927
I upgraded my 2017-era 1070 this year. There wasn't a game that warranted the upgrade, but by the time I got to playing Helldivers 2 I knew that would have been its first struggle.

>>102501289
Its not hard, but I think most people sweat bullets when it comes time to lower the lever, then once again while screwing down your heatsink.

Take it slow.

>>102501381
>creeeeak

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>>102500463

>>102501391
>that sound when you're pushing your GPU into the motherboard

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>>102501019

>>102501440
I know its been near on ten years but its still funny that a friend of mine got dual 970s to SLI instead of buying a 980 or waiting on the 980ti. He had so many stuttering issues and spent years trying to figure out which games hated SLI and which ones hated 2x500mb of shit RAM infecting both cards.

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What's even the point of buying full ATX cases anymore
you can fit everything you need inside a mini
I suppose a larger case has more fans and airflow

>>102501534
expansion slots are a thing

convenience in building and service is a thing

>>102501534
I just like big cases

>>102501534
I, too, wish to pay more for less.

>>102501555
>pay more for less.
but a micro case is often cheaper

>look at the comment
>cant run a game at 60 FPS.
>pls downgrade the game further because i wont bother turning down graphics settings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0KO1lux1-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNbV_zxBno

>>102501314
No

>>102501582
then die

>>102501571
hes not talking about the case

>>102501314
Fine so long as it's not cold

>>102501381
Would a kit like this be all I need?
https://youtu.be/Bp6N1Wk-PxE

>>102501673
>a kit like this
...sure

>285K 852 CAD
>265K 589 CAD
>265KF 567 CAD
>245K 450 CAD
>245KF 427 CAD
intelbros...

>>102501694
Blob and forget, got it

they should sell phase change thermal paste in tubes
you just put the tube in warm water before applying it

>>102501758
C$427 for a 14-core cpu is a steal

Intel more like incel

>>102501774
>no hyperthreading

>>102501534
I like a lot of slots
I like big cases
like where the fuck is the PSU in that thing even?

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>>102501782
Consider the following;

>>102501774
i wonder who could be behind this post

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>>102501782
Good.

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>>102501797
Is this vintage Zen 1 Intelcel cope?

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>>102501797

>>102501875
to be fair chiplets aren't actually good for performance since any connection on silicon is gonna perform 10x from non-silicon

they're just good for yields and economics of it all

>>102501875
amd has been stuck at 16 cores for 4 generations...
goddamn amdjews

>>102501905
AMD looking out for the real market
4090s and 24 cores are all in your head anon
7800x3d & 7900GRE is all you need

>>102501816
it's actually from bulldozer era, newnigger
also patty G has been posting bible quotes on twitter since before he became intel CEO

>>102501892
Intelligent scheduling (Windows users NGMI) takes care of most latency issues and most tasks that require >8 cores don't care about latency.
Meanwhile Incel had to jack up the voltage and frequency of the cores & ring bus to ridiculously unsafe levels to trade blows with much less expensive, single chiplet parts.
>>102501905
Dual channel DDR4/5 doesn't have the bandwidth to support more cores. Go Threadripper if you need more cores (you don't).
>>102501958
>Muh estrogen cores
>Ring bus dies 3 months later because it has been overclocked to support 12 nodes despite being designed for 4
7800X3D is by far the best CPU to pair with a 4090 for gaming.

>>102501958
>7900GRE is all you need
for what? Playing 10 year old games at sub 60 fps?

>>102502005
That sounds like a plausible scenario that totally happens. Of course no nvidia card would ever run such a game that badly.

Do I need EXPO ram for a ryzen build?

>>102501875
Why is cores charted against cores not a straight line?

>>102502050
You don't need it but I would suggest it.

>>102502077
CMT

>>102502050
You don't need it, no. XMP timings can be applied on any system. You do want it if the price difference is minimal.

>>102502005
>for what? Playing 10 year old games at sub 60 fps?
playing every game that's worth playing perfectly

>>102502005
Shadow of Mordor came out ten years ago, one of the few games early on that brought the GTX970 VRAM issue to the spotlight.

reminder that ray tracing and dlss are the most important technological advances in gaming for the past decade and amd cant into neither (before fsr 4 and next gen gpus with more rt cores)

Reminder that rendering 1440p on your 4K monitor is cope. You've wasted thousands of dollars on a rig that can't keep up with your pixel count.

>>102502160
who buys 4k displays for gaming

reminder that none of you have ever seen a vagina irl

>>102502080
>>102502092
My problem is that the only 64GB EXPO kits available in my region are all K*ngston.

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>>102502166
Me.

>>102502166
the same people who have convinced themselves that paying $2000 on a gpu is a good investment.

>>102502181
Whats the problem?

>>102502166
4k porn is pretty gud

it will be funny if arrow lake releases and it wont be that much better, but will dominate with fast ram only because am5 seems dead and amd decided to reuse io die from zen4

>>102502227
>it is good!
>just use low capacity expensive unicorn ram!
>AHAH TAKE THAT AMD!

>>102502251
you smell POOrjet

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>>102502273
>if I use $500 ram with my $500 cpu on my $300 motherboard I will almost match the 7800X3D!

is the 24 to 6/8 pins adapter safe?

>>102502181
Kingston, G-skill, OLOy, Corsair, etc. all buy ICs from 3 big fabricators and package them on a JEDEC standard PCB. It's super commodified so the only difference is the aftercare. Maybe heatspreader design too but you're going to run XMP. I guess it's fair enough if you've been burned by Kingston's warranty team but otherwise just price-shop.

Are the Ryzen 7600 and RX 7600 good? I want to play games in 1080p between 72 and 144 fps.

Is it always needed to spread thick thermal pastes? The ones that are a pain in the ass to spread?
I spent over half an hour trying to get a "perfect spread" on thermalright tfx only to find shitty temps 3 weeks later. I'm tempted to just drop 5 dots and let the cooler do the job but maybe it won't spread so well being this hard and annoying.

>>102502442
no. get a 4070 super

>>102502442
They're both decent value parts.

>>102502462
If you got a*d cpu you need to look at where the chiplets are since they do all the heat while the other side of the chip is 60 degrees cooler

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>>102502484
this sir is very correct!

>>102502476
no, only the CPU is good, not the Radeon shit

>>102493657
Why cant my (old) PC seem to boot up from an SSD?

Tried installing windows 10 on 2 ssds. Tried them on another computer and they both worked but when I put it into my old PC it doesn't seem to boot.

The bios says the SSD is the bootable drive but then I just get a black screen with a blinking underscore.

What's that about?

>>102502639
Is the bios set to use legacy mode or not?

>>102502542
the RX7600 is a 4060 but without Nvidia aids.

>>102502670
and working dsc

>>102502670
>>102502693
What are the downsides of Nvidia

>>102502703
>rabid fanboyism
>not working dsc
>god awful control panel that lacks features
>less comprehensive framegen support
>reduced vram (enjoy low quality textures anon!)
>madly overpriced (lmao stop being poor!)
>they gimp pcie lanes earlier in the stack

So uh, if I want a 1440p build, with maybe some 4k pushing, is ryzen 7600, and 4070 super a good tarting point?
sorry if it's a stupid question there's just so much info and models out that I just ned a foothold for now
also what would be the intel equivalent?

>>102502830
yes

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So for AMDs next-gen CPUs, say, Ryzen 10000 / 11000 series, will they innovate and up the core count on a single CCD? It would be awesome to have 16 core CCDs, but I think it's more realistic to get 12 core CCDs first. Imagine a lineup like this.

Ryzen 3 6 core
Ryzen 5 8 core
Ryzen 7 12 core (single CCD)
Ryzen 9 16-24 core

What does /pcbg/ think?

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>>102502290
$700 motherboard*

>>102502876
dont care what the config is, as long as its a decent upgrade from the 7800x3d

>>102502880
youd think that at this point, at least the high end motherboards would get rid of ps2 connectors and offer at least a 10gbe port

>>102502876
I hope so
Zen6 is supposedly moving to a tiles approach like arrowlake so they could change things up significantly

>>102502876
>will they innovate and up the core count on a single CCD?
Unlikely, Intel has been ahead in multicore performance in mainstream chips for a while now, AMD doesn't seem to care. Maybe if Intel's net lineup beats them in gaming as well then they'll do something.

>>102502900
It's an extreme overclocking board made for LN2 overclocks where usb controllers stop working
Doesn't stop people from using it in highend systems though since you need one of these to run ddr5 7800+

>>102502931
>>102502931
>>102502931
>>102502931

>>102502442
The ryzen 7600 is a very good "budget" cpu, it should handle most shit perfectly well.
The RX7600 depends on your expectations. You'll be able to run most current games 70-100fps at high to max settings, but some games you'll have to turn down the settings or settle for 60. This is only going to become harder as more games come out where devs don't care about performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8DGXkPsqH4

If you'd rather not do that, consider bumping up to a 7700xt. While yes that'll run you an extra 100 bucks, it'll also give you about 40-50% better performance, so it'll be the difference between running 60-100 & 100-150fps

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>>102502876
zen6 "should" have 16 small c-cores per chiplet and it won't be separated by the iod anymore by a huge distance which is killing latency and consuming power like crazy but they planned 16 core chiplets for zen5 but jew'd out so they probably will release 8 cores AGAIN and do that forever because why the fuck not.

>>102493657
What fans are those in the picture?