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I have a 7900XT with 20GB of VRAM. I routinely see VRAM usage levels between 11GB and 16GB. The most glaring change I've noticed going from 8GB to 20GB of VRAM is that when I toggle out of my games to look something up there is zero delay or thrashing of the display because there is enough VRAM to keep everything loaded. This is on top of never having texture loading problems in any games which I was seeing on former 8GB card.

People should buy the card that delivers the best experience for them but let's not pretend low VRAM is not an issue in 2024. It most certainly is and it manifests in a number of well known ways.

>buy amd
>raw performance is great
>no need for fsr
>drivers work perfectly
>zero problems playing new games

Why is the 7900 XTX considered bad again?

is the 5060 gonna be more powerful than a 4070 S ?

>>102556679
CPU's? 8086. Honorable mention to the k6-2. Fight me
GPU's? 8800 GTX, in SLi

>>102556796
we pretend it's bad so the value won't skyrocket

>>102556757
I'm sticking with 7900GRE, nein danke.

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>Reminder
>There are no 1080p cards or 4K cards
>Everything is dependent on what software (games) you want to run and the specs they need
>Figure out what games you want to play before you choose your card

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should i wait for the 5080 and return my sapphire 7900xtx or just keep it? Now that EVGA is out of the market there's no good OEM manufacturers anymore for Nvidia

>>102556798
Oh, I forgot VooDoo! I had a 4500 when I built my k6-2. 3dfx was going places man, and Nvidia wouldn't be what it is today hadn't they acquired them.

>>102556872
you wont even get a 5080. it will be a paper launch.

>>102556913
>>102556798
What made the Athlon so kino?

>>102556846
GDDR7 will be the real 4k cards

>>102556872
You probably won't be able to buy one until March if it's announced around CES for between $1300-1500 and it'll perform like a 4090 so draw your conclusions from that.

>>102556664
People who waited to see Zen 5 CPU performance are underwhelmed and buying up the 7800X3D.
Demand is heightened because Intel's 13/14th gen instability issues got even more people to buy the processor.

I have a 12700K and planned to upgrade to the 13900K/S before 14th gen refresh chip info were leaked.
I'm better off just buying a decent B650/E board and a 7800X3D at a similar total cost.

>>102556872
Only if you care for RT & DLSS, RDNA3 is extremely in-betweeny tech-wise.
The PS5 Pro enhanced games feature more RT implementations.

>>102557060
>Only if you care for RT & DLSS, RDNA3 is extremely in-betweeny tech-wise.
>The PS5 Pro enhanced games feature more RT implementations.

muh dlss
muh fsr
muh raytracing

What happened to games just being fun?

>>102557069
No fun allowed. Jews took it away.

>>102557069
Aren't you a 7900XTX owner? Why the fuck did you buy that card if you don't give a fuck about visual fidelity?
Why the fuck do you think even the Nintendo Switch Zelda games use FSR?
Because the development team pushed game visuals beyond native rendering capabilities.

Are the retards trying to downplay the 5080/5090 saying it will consume more power while not being faster Nvidia shills trying to make people buy 4090s, or AMD shills trying to make people buy AMD, i dont get it

>>102557069
fun are hard to make

just throw grafix for easy fix

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>>102557060
>are underwhelmed and buying up the 7800X3D
>Demand is heightened because Intel's 13/14th gen instability
So much this. What's funny is fag think they need a 7800x3d. in reality, a 7600x3d is fine for the average gaymer/coomer.
>>102556934
Thunderbird and Windsor. Still have my x2 64 BE that has never been overclocked. I should dust it off someday and see what I can eek out.

Also, found it...

>>102557274
the 5080 will basically be a cheaper to make 4090 with similar power consumption and the same price.
the 5090 is expected to be 600W but nvidia is pushing for a second 12pin connector on PSUs

>>102557317
fun is only hard to make when you are trying to use corporate focus groups to design the game

>>102557320
>7800x3d

Are there any games that fully push the 7800x3D?

>>102557274
It's people tempering their expectations.
Blackwell is on a further refined 5nm process (N4P Ada Lovelace -> 4NP Blackwell), it's not a significant node jump.
The chips will have to be a bit bigger for some SKUs and draw more power, rumors already support the increased power draw.

If NVIDIA sells larger chips, prices will go up.

>>102557274
>AMD shills trying to make people buy AMD
I can only buy amd because loonix.

>>102557333
there arent many games that will even push 4 cores let alone 8

pcpartspicker says 662w, should I go 850 or am I safe with 700w?

>>102557435
750W ~ 850W, or even a good 650W unit is fine.
Your CPU & GPU are rarely going to sustain 100% load simultaneously, with all your system fans running at max RPM.

When did AIO become standardized?

>>102557464
tail end of ddr3

>>102557464
When TechTubers and game streamers took off, or when they became more affordable.
I know AIOs existed before and were marketed as closed-loop-coolers (CLC).

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>>102557333
Hell if I know, I only have a 3800x and 1080. Disregard my gay Trident. I refuse to install software to turn the RGB off when I don't have clear panels.

>>102557510
>poorfag
>wasting shekels on jeet-colored noctua slop instead of components that matter

>>102557521
>Noctua
>Poorfag
Do you like the irony? My shit runs cool and quiet on air. Stay jelly.

>>102557521
That's a really old Noctua cooler, it's not a U12A for sure and he's got his money's worth.

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Let me guess. You need more.

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It just works (if you're using AMD)

>>102557547
i love giant cooler

>>102557545
Picrel. They still make it. Saw some at Micro Center two days ago. You never here the 14 mentioned. Great cooler.

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>>102557611
Derp, forgot pic.

>>102557441
I already bought a 850w atx psu, but I was thinking about returning it and getting a 700w sfx as it'll take less space.

What makes the Arctic Liquid Freezer III so highly regarded?

>>102557611
Looks like the NH-U14S, reviewed by TechPowerUp in June '13.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/noctua-nh-u14s/
Not saying it's bad, it will cool sub-100W TDP chips silently.
And Noctua should send you free mounting kit upgrades with proof of purchase.

>>102557648
Very cost-efficient, proven high-quality customer service, and the bundled P12 fans have gone through multiple revisions for better QC.
If you're in the AIO market, get it before the anniversary discount's gone (as long as it fits your board & case).

>>102557618
I think SFX PSUs have shorter cables, check the spec sheets.
The SFX cable length shouldn't be detrimental if you have a smaller case.

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https://www.techspot.com/news/104848-intel-has-lost-all-dedicated-gpu-market-share.html
>Shipments of AIBs reached approximately 9.5 million units, an increase of 9.4 percent from Q1 2024 and 48 percent from Q2 2023. The quarterly jump is well above average, indicating a strong recovery. Market king Nvidia benefited the most, seeing a 9.7 percent quarterly rise and a 61.9 percent annual uplift. Furthermore, the company maintained its 88 percent market share from last quarter. Meanwhile, although AMD's shipments only increased by three percent year-over-year, its quarterly improvement was similar to Nvidia's. Team Red also held onto its 12 percent market share from Q1.

>Intel, though, has effectively been shut out, with sales remaining flat compared to last quarter. After entering the AIB market with its Arc Alchemist series in 2022, the company briefly achieved a four percent market share toward the end of that year, but it had evaporated by early 2024.
IT'S OVER (until Battlemage maybe?)

>>102556872
Why the fuck did we allow GPUs to get this big

>$150 case with another $150 in case fans despite the hottest day of the year being 30C
>360 AIO for a 90w gaymen CPU
>MSRP+$200 GPU for the better cooler
>Everything repasted with PTMeme
Yep, it's gaming time

>>102557661
>Beep boop beep
Thanks bot, no shit. I ran it on an OC'd 1700x running at 4.2ghz all core, constant and it cools my 105w 3800x running at 3.9 constant and 4.5 boost running PBO. I haven't even tried to OC the thing and I've stay about 73°c average during stress tests.
I am an old school proponent of the Hyper 212 though. Had the OC version and that little nigga handled my 1700x like nobody's business. Especially after I lapped it.

How is Nvidia on Linux nowadays? Last time I checked, you basically had to go for AMD if you were on Linux

>>102557722
Intel can't afford to sell the Arc GPUs at a loss, but they're not attracting buyers at a profitable price point.
Their board partners are probably upset as well.
Microcenter was bundling A770 video cards with their Intel combo deal this summer.

>>102557764
>How is Nvidia on Linux
>Just stop. Get some help.gif

>>102557760
Peerless Assassin 140 or the Scythe Mugen 6 (dual fan) are the cost-efficient dual/single tower options now.
The old-school single-tower coolers are fine at sub-100W loads.

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https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239
Appears that Intel has finally root caused the degradation issue and will be rolling out a second (final) microcode update very soon.

What are your PC building horror stories?

>>102557771
I hate to bring politics into it, but where/who owns Intel? And what's going on with them politically on the world stage atm? I want an Arc bad, I have faith in it, especially for the av1 encoding. But I haven't heard any news in a while now, especially since "their" conflict started. Used sellers are full retarded with asking prices, like there's some weird shortage or demand. Maybe Arc prices will plummet out of fear cards may simultaneously explode across the country.

>>102557699
I do have a smaller case and thought sfx psu will fit better. 700w might be a bit close.

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When did this stop being enough?

>>102557835
Intel's paying for a series of poor decisions made over a decade ago
>Couldn't design a performant & power efficient custom mobile chip to win Apple's contract volume
>Lose design talent to Apple's in-house chip development team
>Bet on the wrong advanced node manufacturing process without a contingency plan
>Sell 10nm CPUs when AMD's been selling 7 & 5nm chips.
>Got into dGPUs way too late, left spectating the AI-driven hardware boom.

Their five nodes within a four-year process roadmap is behind schedule, the same goes for the Arc GPU release schedule.
Nothing's going right @ Intel atm.

>>102557928
Why did Microsoft stop working with Intel on Xbox 360?

>>02557803
>Bot confirmed
The hyper 212 can easily handle over 100 tdp, even in stock form, with one fan. Kek. Almost got the Fuma 2 and the Noctua 14 was around the same price, similar performance and easier to acquire when I upgraded from the 212.

>>102557934
Maybe IBM offered a better supply/design deal and helped shrink the CPU size.

>>102557928
I concur. It isn't the first time Intels been overzealous and gotten beat by AMD. I honestly think Intel is so tied up in global politics that it effects them.

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>>102557937
The topic always factored in silent operation.
>>102557537
>>102557661

Safe to say a 212's not matching a G1 D15's noise-normalized cooling performance.

How are the Asus 1440p 240hz IPS panels, the VG27AQM(L)1A? RTINGS hasn't reviewed it yet despite it being a year old at this point

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Here's a noise-normalized chart with the latest 212.
Phantom Spirit 120 and Mugen 6 Black Edition (Dual Fan) are close to the LF3 360 AIO's performance.
212 and U14S are fine to use if you already own it, but they're not worth buying now.

>>102558082
>DeepCool AK620
>DeepCool AK500
>DeepCool Assassin 4

Which is best?

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Since I brought up Windsor, it's a bit dusty, needs a card and drive. But it's still with me.

>>102558092
Assassin 4 seems to be the best of the three in noise-normalized high CPU loads, followed by AK620.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-assassin-iv-dual-tower-cpu-air-cooler/6.html
They test Intel & AMD CPU loads.

Assassin III is a solid pickup performance-wise.

>>102558028
>>102558082
looking at noise-normalized charts for CPU coolers is pointless if you have a GPU that probably has double the TDP and smaller fans. GPU coolers make an order of magnitude more noise

>>102558070
TUF VG27AQML1A looks good in terms of features, ASUS usually leaves out variable overdrive and blacklight strobing for ROG monitors.
Get the one with a height-adjustable stand unless you're going to use your monitor arm.
https://www.asus.com/us/displays-desktops/monitors/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-vg27aqml1a/

>>102558092
Ak620 or ag620.

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So what was EVGAs 's reason for not manufacturing AMD or Intel cards? Seems really stupid to just stop making graphics cards entirely, especially when that was their biggest source of revenue

>>102558092
>>102558193
>>102558243
What is, hands down, the best air cooler that just works?

>>102558257
I think if they did, Nvidia was going to cut them off from die allocations for new cards. Could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, that's a bot.
>Posts charts
>The cooler you mentioned isn't in the first chart I referenced, sorry.
Kek
>Inb4 you need an ngreedia 4090 super ti ass blaster 9000 to play 1080p with dildo ss and gaytracing

>>102557825
Pubic hair tangled in the CPU socket pins. In the "brand new" mobo.

>>102557764
Nvidia has been better on Linux since 2013.
Nvidia allows setting watt limits, gpu and memory clocks, temp targets, fan speeds, etc, and all easily scriptable.
Nvidia also allows forcing AA thru the driver, which Intel does, Nvidia does, and AMD did until 2013. The radeon devs actually thinks its better to rewrite 1000s of programs to add an AA option, mostly programs that are no longer in active development. this is absolutely insane, there is a reason why literally every other GPU allows forcing AA thru the driver, and they did too until 2013.
AMD is an absolute joke on linux. if all you want to do is turn your computer on and the GPU works then yeah wow AMD is OK I guess.
but if you want actual features, performance, and quality, go Nvidia.

>>102558257
Conflict of interest contract shit and NDAs. I miss them bros.

>>102557764
>Last time I checked, you basically had to go for AMD if you were on Linux
Was that last time you checked like 12 years ago?

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>>102558231
>if you have a GPU that probably has double the TDP and smaller fans
That's why the video card's heatsink matters.
I run an undervolted 4080 Super FE with dual 115mm axial fans.
The cooler was designed to dissipate the 4090's 450W stock & 600W maximum power draw.
The GPU fans rarely hit above 1500 RPM.

Slimmer video cards aren't a feature unless you're looking for an SFF-friendly card.

>>102558274
but they dont make nvidia cards any more so why not make amd or intel cards?

>>102558299
>Posting facts you don't like
>'That's a bot'
Literally coping.

>>102558325
>I run an undervolted 4080 Super FE with dual 115mm axial fans.
>The cooler was designed to dissipate the 4090's 450W stock & 600W maximum power draw.
Does the 4080 Super FE come stock with the same heatsink as the 4090, or did you swap it on?

>MSI
>Gigabyte
>ASUS

So which should I be buying?

>>102558350
It's the same dimension as the 4090's, NVIDIA decided it's not worth retooling a separate cooler for the 4080.
Third-party 4080 launch cards also used the 4090's cooler, but the later productions have slimmed-down coolers.

>>102558353
Gigabyte > MSI >>>>>> Asus
I assume you're talking about motherboards, do not buy Asus

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>>102558353
ASUS Dual is generally the better dual card model compared to MSI Ventus 2x or Gigabyte Windforce.
ASUS TUF would be an easy recommendation for triple-fan cooled video cards, but they've been fucking around with poor thermal paste.
Gigabyte cards are hit-or-miss (hit: 4090 Gaming OC, miss: some Windforce/Eagle models)
MSI Gaming X and Suprim cards are usually good.
MSI Ventus is okay build quality & reliability-wise, but has no OC headroom (boring card).

>>102558385
but if I don’t buy an ASUS motherboard how will I join the republic of gamers?

>>102558385
Where does assrock fit into this equation?

>>102556796
It does perform worse for Blender but idk if that'll ever improve over time.
I hope it does, considering the 7900 xtx depending on 5090 pricing/prices of the 4090 when Blackwell's out.

if anyone is still on AM4, you're doing yourself a disservice by not getting a 5700x3d if you play games.
Seriously I went from a r5 1600 to a 5700x3d and the performance boost is nothing short of insane.

>>102558446
whats wrong with asus

>>102558461
theyre are asus's budget brand soo...

>>102558461
ASRock boards are generally good across the segments.
Don’t buy their cheapest boards if you plan to upgrade the CPU to a 125W+ one, these boards have stricter power limits.

>>102558446
Join the Brotherhood of Steel (Legend) instead

>>102558461
On the same level as gigabyte, they're good brands

>>102558488
>>102558461
asrock uses the gui from their high end boards on all their boards.
so you end up with bios options that do nothing.

i had one and set a lower frequency limit, and this did nothing. the cpu continued to run at its stock frequency. sorry but asrock is dead to me

>>102558333
Basically the CEO called it quits and decided close up shop altogether.

>>102558488
Bruh, their cheapest B650M HDV kicks ass.

>>102558333
EVGA supposedly made over ten years worth of profit during the pandemic price scalping.
They’re not going to bother establishing new business and engineering relationships to sell less popular and less profitable Radeon/Arc cards.

MSI is dropping Radeon business moving forward.
Even if RDNA4 turns things around, it’s going to be low-margin business for AIBs.

>>102558613
>MSI dropping AMD GPUs
after seeing the disaster that was their Mech OC 5700XT, good fucking riddance.

>>102558568
That’s not their cheapest board.
ASRock raised the price of that model to capitalize on the popularity, and released an inferior mid-gen refresh to confuse buyers.

What are the WORST cpu and gpu releases that grifted the customers?

>>102558661
Every Nvidia GPU after pascal
Every Intel CPU after 6th gen

>>102555957
Did this anon decide whether or not he wanted a stranger on Facebook to rape him?

>>102558661
Every AMD GPU after RX480
Every AMD CPU after Zen 2

>>102558695
>Every AMD GPU after RX480
>Every AMD CPU after Zen 2

implying 580 was bad
implying 5800X3D was bad

>>102556734
>1080p
>4070

Absolutely retarded recommendations

>>102558661
>i7 3770k when the 2600k overclocked like a bat out of hell
>GTX 780 (more like the whole architecture really) aging like milk
>GTX 970 3.5gb debacle
>Anyone who bought an FX 8150 at MSRP
>the entire RTX 2000 lineup in 2019
>R9 Fury X having only 4GB of VRAM
>AMD HD 6000 when HD 5000 existed, bonus points for only getting 3 years of driver support
>I7 6th and 7th gen for being quad cores
>>102558695
okay nshillidiot

>>102558739
>the entire RTX 2000 lineup in 2019

QRD?

A question to anyone who owns the Phanteks XT Pro Ultra Hardcore Extreme Satan Nigger Rape Madness whatever -- the one in the OP.
How hard is the front panel to remove actually? After dealing with a similar panel on another case I never want to spend like 10 minutes trying to pry it open every time I want to clean/replace some fans.

>.
>102558745
they were seen as obscenely expensive relative to gtx 1000, only like two games had raytracing and DLSS sucked ass so only the top 3 SKUs were any good for raytracing.
They only became good in hindsight with the covid lockdowns skyrocketing prices, making them a good value to anyone who actually bought one especially with DLSS turning into something worth using.

>>102558745
>>102558763
sorry fucked up the response link

What was the first GPU with 8GB of VRAM? When did 8GB become standard?

Any matx cases being sold disassembled? Normal cases gave a Lt of extra volume from the extra space inside which increases shipping prices significantly

>>102558754
If you have brain damage you won't open it without brute force. You have to get the right angle to pop it open.

>My 10yo daughter got it open at second try tho...

>>102558782
>first gpu with 8gb VRAM
consumer wise I think it was either the Maxwell Titan or the R9 290/390 8gb variant
as for when it became standard? maybe with Pascal/the RX 480 8gb?

>>102558791
CM qube 500 flatpak? IDK if its mATX though.

Why is the 4090 already almost done as a card?
Can't hit 60 fps reliably at 1440p with PT without upscaling lmao
Then there is FF16,
Wukong doesn't run that well either

The 5000 series is looking more and more like a necessity

>>102558928
Path tracing is even more of a meme than RT.
>The 5000 series is looking more and more like a necessity
funny that.

>>102556872
nice trans rights colors

>>102558928
RT is faster than rasterization once you pass the initial "hump", i estimate the 5000 series may be the first to overcome this hump

>>102558928
>FF16
>Wukong
>necessity

>>102558977
>$2000 card can't shit on every game at 1440p

Do you realize how disastrous that sounds?

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>>102558965
Anon, I bought a cooler, the rgbt version costs less than the basic version. Why?????

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>>102556757
>I routinely see VRAM usage levels between 11GB and 16GB
Retards like you don't understand how VRAM, or RAM in general, works

>>102556796
>no need for fsr
Sure retard

>>102556872
>should i wait for the 5080
It'll be far better than the 7900 XTX. Even the 4080 Super is massively better

>>102558975
This, although the Hump won't be overcome until RTX 60 for the mainstream

>>102558996
every generations theres a few games that perform badly no matter how much gpu you throw at them
its nothing new

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my local place liquidating inventories
XFX Swift319 rx6800 16g ~315$
unopened but no warranties
worth?

>>102557835
I don’t think it’s down to “that” conflict as much as it is the fact that Intel tripped and face planted while they were in a rush. They got into the dedicated GPU market very late, missing out on both the crypto boom and only just beating out AMD in terms of the late market AI boom. When their dedicated GPUs did launch, they had a ton of driver issues which made them a non-starter next to either AMD’s or Nvidia’s offerings, the RX 6000 and RTX 3000 series were going strong at that time IIRC. And while they’re turning things around with Lunar Lake’s Xe2 graphics and Battlemage, their new cards have been met with tons of delays to where they risk another brutal beating by Nvidia, unless worst case happens where the even 5000 series cards get delayed or the 5060 series ends up being another underwhelming, overpriced dud.
The driver issue is the main problem as an Arc A770 owner. At best you can play stuff like Dying Light 2, Cyberpunk, Metro Exodus, Robocop, Like a Dragon and Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster and have a decently competitive experience for the price tag. At worst you either have a buggy experience like Alan Wake 2 on release or performance severely below the cards specs, like with Starfield and now GoW Ragnarok on release.

>>102559119
Do it. The closest thing you can get new is this 7700 XT which is basically equal to a non-XT 6800 or 2-4% faster but only has 12GB of VRAM instead of 16 and is $35 more:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFP6F859

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She arrives today!

>>102558996
who fucking cares modern gaymes suck nigger ass

I'm holding a GTX970 right now what should i do with it

>>102557547
kek imagine the size of computers in 2050

Whats the go with 4 DIMM DDR5? I could go 2x48gb, but think having the extra headroom with 128gb would be peace of mind. could start 2x48 and upgrade if I really need. Thing is for each GB of project size, I need 20gb of ram, so 3gb project needs 60gb of ram, typically average 1-3gb and sometimes have 2 files open at the same time...

I guess would I be stuck at 4800mhz 4 dimm? Looking at the 9950x for a cpu, does x670 make a difference over B650?

>TL;DR Autodesk fuck ram.

>>102559119
if it's a big upgrade then yes

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>>102559119
I would say no. Likely that RX 6000 doesn't get the good + fast version of FSR4

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Nini frens

>>102559303
ryzen memory controller doesnt play well with 4 sticks of ddr5 and ends up running them at or near jedec
not sure if autodesk wants memory bandwidth so it might be a moot point

Thermalright, where the fuck is the Royal Pretor?!

>rebrand B650 to X870
>sell it at the price of the X670
How do they keep getting away with this?

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>>102559494
I have 64gb at the moment and its using all of it.
This is what it says on the Autodesk website.

>>102557806
>please bro just one more microcode we'll fix it this time for sure

>>102559566
I'm sad that a lot of x670e boards got downgraded to x870 like the x870-a strix which previously as an x670e could support four m2 with no compromise but will now eat into GPU lanes since x870 has too few lanes to bifurcate

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>>102559566
actually it was the B650E that was rebranded to the X670

>>102559606
thats not what X870 is, they did simplify things with this motherboard generation, an X670E should = X870E with USB4.
the 800 series is what the 600 series should have been.

>>102556734
>AVOID: Intel 13/14 series
Why?

>>102559641
recent issues with them. check techpowerup or some other news site if you want details.

>>102559641
they -ack

>>102559641
because that particular op was made by amd fanboy
some time ago it was nvidia fanboy who told you to avoid amd gpu in op now it's amd one telling you to avoid intel
things just be like that

>>102559675
>IGNORE SAAR INTEL IS FINE

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am I going to bottleneck myself if I cut straight to a 4090

I don't necessarily want to build a whole updated rig but I can if it's going to be that bad

>>102559637
>thats not what X870 is, they did simplify things with this motherboard generation, an X670E should = X870E with USB4.
That seem related to anything I said. The issue with 800 series is that most board makers are coasting on the x70 name with their mid/highend boards and downgrading their x670e's to x870 causing weird I/O feature regressions versus their predecessor board.

>>102559730
That isnt related*

>>102559686
I have amd gpu bro I'm just not a fanboy who's sole purpose of browsing this board is participating in team red versus team blue wars

amd cpu*

>>102559717
That CPU is trash, you're already bottlenecking with your 2070

>>102556797
Yes but:
>64 bit bus
>PCIe x4

>>102559637
You're still getting cucked out of PCIe lanes since most the the X670E SKUs are being replaced with X870 ones, and you will need to go up a whole pricing tier to the Ultra Pro RGB HIV+ gaymer $500+ pricing tier to get the double chipset version.

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>>102559806
Also, meanwhile, Z790 gives you the full IO starting from low-mid tier boards.
All it took for AMD to turn into Intel 2.0 was 5 years of relative success.

AMD are massive scummy kikes the second they’re able to be

>>102559256
fuck it

>>102559806
just buy an X670

If I game on Linux should I use a 7900 XTX or 4080 super?

>>102560071
ask in the friendly gnu/linux thread

>>102557732
it's a simple function of heat dissipation, a 1080ti was a nice svelte 2 slot to get rid of 250 watts, but double the wattage and you must also double the volume of heat sink to keep the same temperature. You could also double the speed of the air moving through it but that would be loud.

>>102559917
$10 google play gift card redeemed saar

>>102560071
XTX

Used ASRock 7900 GRE (no warranty) for 300 bucks, yay or nay? Upgrading from a 1080.

>>102560168
If you think it is legit, yes.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Lunar-Lake-iGPU-analysis-Arc-Graphics-140V-is-faster-and-more-efficient-than-Radeon-890M.894167.0.html

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

>>102560071
AMD all day.

>>102560168
yay

Guys, if I wanna get a 7900XTX, should I waitfag for RDNA4 instead? Or should I just get it now since AMD won't be releasing a flagship?
In other words, is it likely that the rumoured 8700XT or whatever it ends up being called will outperform the 7900, or not really?

>inb4 wait for RTX5000 series
I know for a fact nvidia will still put like 8-12GB vram on their midrange, and I'm not paying $2000 for a GPU, so no (also linux drivers)

>>102560209
>>102560242
It's a pickup so I can inspect it before buying, anything I should be looking for? I know the Assrock isn't the best version but for this price I'll take higher temps.

>>102560212
I told you niggers that it was an igpu

>>102560258
the expectation is that the 8800XT will be roughly 7900XT tier, so the 7900XTX will be the strongest card they release until RDNA5.

>>102560281
Are you fucking retarded? It's Xe2 Battlemage GPU microarchitecture integrated GPU, no one said it was discrete GPU ever

If you can test is before buying, that would be the best.

>>102560307
so confident, yet wrong >>102533138

>>102560364
Again, it is using Xe2 Battlemage GPU microarchitecture, are you fucking retarded? Why yes, you are fucking retarded

>>102559303
>I guess would I be stuck at 4800mhz 4 dimm
you can get 6000 with a lot of fiddling and luck but yes, realistically, prepare yourself for that
>>102559717
lmao crazy fucking build
you should buy the 4090 to elevate it to legendary status
>>102560071
6900/6950 XT is the safe option
7900 XTX might or might not have stability issues depending on the silicon lottery (RDNA3 is a broken piece of shit)

>>102560411
>7900 XTX might or might not have stability issues depending on the silicon lottery (RDNA3 is a broken piece of shit)
Sounds legit.

>>102560406
I'm not the guy who claimed it was a discreet gpu like you did

>>102560447
yeah it is
consider the fact that helldivers 2 was broken on the XTX on both windows and linux at launch in the same way (random blackscreens), despite running completely different DX drivers (DXVK vs DXNavi) and kernel drivers on different operating systems
RDNA2 proved that AMD can release working products if they want to, they just choose to release overclocked early-access silicon instead in a futile attempt to compete with NVIDIA's halo products

>>102560459
Again, no one ever said the word discrete, not my fault you are so low IQ you can't understand context

Is it contrarian to buy Intel yet?

>>102560499
>Arrow lake on a single gen socket
possibly

>>102560499
Considering their market share, no.

>>102560518
Who even does in-socket upgrades with how slow the performance gains are gen-to-gen?
Nothingburger.

>>102560531
sucking intel's dick a little hard there

Are the new Intels also be impossible to cool?

>>102560562
How many times have you done a CPU upgrade without a motherboard upgrade?

>>102560595
[laughs in am4]

>>102560579
250 watts baybee

>>102560531
That's a you problem

>>102560258
It might be better in RT to the point where it even beats the 7900XTX when using RT heavy settings so I dont think it will definitely be slower in all scenarios

>>102560617
It's not a problem at all because there's no use case for multi-generational sockets.

>>102560640
Pat, pls.

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>>102560640
a B350 from 2017 can run a 5700X3D quite happily

>>102560640
>It's not a problem at all (for intel) because there's no use case for multi-generational sockets (for intel).
I get what your saying anon

$2k gpu to play 1080p at 60ps

RT still a meme, maybe 2 more generation of Nvidia it wont be

>>102560640
people ran 9900k on z170
this makes you upset doesn't it

>>102560747
i was playing on a big ass 4k tv with a 3080 12gb for a while and rtx was noticeable for games that actually put in the effort. but that's just my experience

>>102560281
Nice, guess I'll pull the trigger then. 24GB vram is excellent (and I doubt the 8800 will have that, right?) and raster's all I care about.
>>102560618
Interesting but pragmatically speaking I don't play anything with RT so I probably don't care.

>>102557464
When retards bought the Corsair H60 for their shitty Intel CPU and other companies followed. X3D only solidified it because of the hotspot swings.

>>102560751
https://valid.x86.fr/ekxy9c

>12GB VRAM
>16GB VRAM
Which one should I try to aim?

>>102560280
stress test it with whatever program you kids use these days

for me its a 9600X3D on an A620 motherboard

>>102560595
been building pcs since the early 2000s and only ever did an in socket upgrade with am4 (2600 to 5800x3d)
i highly doubt am5 will have the same leap in performance that you got moving from a 2600-tier part to 5800x3d

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why does every OP say you should get 6000CL30 on AMD?
surely BIOS patches and new 9000 series processors could benefit from higher frequency

on the topic of RAM
will CUDIMM run hot? will it make at least 5% difference?

>>102560831
16

>>102560831
The one with dlss 3.0

>>102560831
wait for GDDR7

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>>102560929
>surely BIOS patches and new 9000 series processors could benefit from higher frequency
no, because the infinity fabric hasn't improved since zen 2
strictly speaking 8000 in gear 2 is superior to 6000 in gear 1 because then the memory controller runs at 2000 and can be synced 1:1 with the IF at 2000, but getting 8000 stable is a challenge on any platform

>>102560929
if you can manually tune ram go ahead. if you expect to just enable expo then buy 6000cl30

>>102560929
unless AMD can make the infinity fabric run faster than 2000mhz its what Zen4+5 are stuck with unless there's 6000mhz kits that come with tighter timings or people get fast 8000mhz kits working in 1:2 mode.

>>102560988
some people have gotten it to 2200 but that is very lucky

>>102561007
that's the same as getting it to 2000 on zen 3
it boots but throws WHEA errors and has inconsistent performance
2100 should be doable on most chips though

>>102557835
>got into GPUs after the crypto bubble burst
>didn't go into AI during the AI bubble surge

And now they will go into AI just as AI is about to pop. The bubble that is.

>>102560929
The memory controller is fucked. Lets wait for buildzoid to say something about zen5 chips.

>>102561119
They have an accelerator called Gaudi 2 but every company is buying Nvidia H100s/H200s or AMD as a second choice, usually those buying AMD are doing so because they need a semi custom solution anyway (they don't need CUDA) and AMD technically has the most powerful accelerator in the MI300X.
Intel have just released the Gaudi 3 so might take some AMD sales until November when the MI325X releases.

If this nigga buildzoid wrote blogs, it would save us all so much more time.

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its over

>>102561215
He has a blog.
https://buildzoid.blogspot.com/

9700X3D fucking WHEN

>>102561318
late next year, the 9800X3D is rumored for late next month

>>102561307
Naicu, but only 4 posts for 2024, we need vid to text exports.

>>102561318
two more weeks and then two more weeks again

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>>102561318
don't bother
wait for zen6 medusa with new 2.5D chip interconnect and cudimm support

stay strong waitbros
we're all gonna make it

>>102561335
Yeah I meant 9800 of course.
>late next month
That's really not bad, I think I'm gonna wait
There's currently no downside to Zen5 compared to the Zen4, right? Like no driver issues or random BSODs or RAM incompatibilities that I haven't heard about? I know the performance uplift is small but it's more power efficient and slightly better in some workloads, so as far as I can see why not wait a few weeks

>>102561375
No I'm upgrading now.
I am currently running a Haswell and a GTX1070, I think I've waitfagged just about long enough

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Intel has fixed the 13th/14th gen instability issue

https://www.youtube.com/live/1h0wBn2L-FU?si=9SMG1mSOgeHuEy3X&t=5293

>Not only that, but the fixes actually do seem to work.

>And I've got a I'm, I'm almost finished with a post mortem video on that.

>There's going to be another microcode update that Intel is going to is going to address.

>Some more minor details with it, which is fine.

>I think this will be the final release. Like from my vantage point, it looks to me like even with all of this, some large number of Intel chips were fine with all of the bad situation. Like whatever with the heat or the voltage and whatever, some like half, let's say probably more than half, at least half, they're fine. I don't care. Maybe they'll degrade over time, maybe not. I don't know. Whatever.

>It sure looks like that this was a bug where like for the data that I have, the systems that had better cooling had a higher failure rate, which suggests there was something in the boost algorithm that was saying I can boost and it and it could not.

>Certainly there's some data that suggests it's workload dependent, which is the people, the the the dude Bros in the data center mining cryptocurrency experience a lower failure rate than the ones running game servers, which is, again, very interesting.

>>102561510
>And for if you look at, if you look at specifically a workload like a Minecraft, it's a very interesting workload from the perspective of a gaming CPU because Minecraft is terrible.

>And if you look at the pipeline in the CPU and you look at how busy it is, not all the cores are busy, but enough of the cors are busy.

>And if the boost algorithm is, is too facile, meaning that it's looking at how busy the CPU is, it's like, gosh, I should request a lot of voltage because I can boost because it looks really busy.

>But when you get into the brass tacks of the computer science of it, it's actually like a lot of branch misses and cache mispredict or like branch mispredicts and there's something that's needed that's not in the cache. So it's waiting on main memory.

>And so the boost algorithm doesn't take all of that into account. It's requesting a lot of voltage. The CPU gets a lot of voltage and then the CPU can't boost because it literally can't do anything.

>And and that seems like that is a contributing factor to why a gaming workload murders the CPU whereas a cryptocurrency mining workload does not.

>>102561461
>There's currently no downside to Zen5 compared to the Zen4, right?
price performance is the downside that made reviewers shit and fart, 5% gaming uplift for $150 more money/sku

I think I'm going to have to build a PC by the time Monster Hunter Wilds comes out (Feb 28).
Should I do it now or wait until the holiday season passes? Is there a predictable price spike around holiday season? Predictable sales or price drops?
I live near a microcenter so I'll be going with one of their bundles probably.
If it matters my max budget is $1k, but I'm aiming for more like $800. Just getting MB, CPU, RAM, GPU, and SSD.

>>102561510
>>102561520
TLDR. Wendell says its safe to go back in the water.

>>102561510
New article by tech radar

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/is-intels-nightmare-finally-over-one-last-patch-could-fix-13th-gen-and-14th-gen-cpu-instability-issues

>mining cryptocurrency
mining dont use boast voltage or boast clock

>>102561547
Right. Good point.

>>102561403
I’m not gonna make it

>>102561510
>Intel has fixed
For real this time!?

>>102561659
I'm a glass half full kind of guy, so yeah

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Is my PC still good?

I don't think I would upgrade for 5080, especially because I don't play games much.

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4080 SG graphics card [48NZM6MD6LSK]- $1346
AMD R7 7800X 3D OEM processor $384
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITEAX DDR5 $261
SSD Kingston KC3000 M.2 2280 2 TB (SKC3000D/2048G) $126 (on discount)
Case Montech AIR 903 MAX [AIR 903 MAX (B)] $88
Cooler for the DEEPCOOL Assassin IV processor [R-ASN4-BKNNMT-G] $96
WQHD Monitor LG 27GP850-B $367
RAM 32Gb DDR5 6000MHz Team T-Create Expert $138
Power supply unit montech titan gold 850w $147

The total amount is $2956, note that I'm not in the US.

>>102560881
For me? It's an A6-6400k with a HD 6570 1GB GDDR5 in dual graphics mode on a A55 motherboard

>>102561677
No it's weak shit. Buy every top of the line component right now!!

how likely is the october release of 9800x3d rumor?

>>102561677
Get R9 7900x as you don't play games, get 48gb CL30. Go for Deepcool AK620 or AG620 instead. Motherboard, you could save some monies, I'm planning between Asrock b650m hdv or Pro RS.

>>102560123
That anon wasn't wrong. Zen 3 launch prices were way too high just because Intel was floundering. Considering AMD had been playing catch up prior to Zen 2, more reasonable prices would've been nice especially to generate goodwill with the then performance crown

>>102561403
I can't wait much longer. My PC feels like its on its last days and performance wise it's been long obsolete.

>>102561774
> No it's weak shit. Buy every top of the line component right now!!
Thanks.
>>102561840
> get 48gb CL30.
At this point it might better get 64 gb dual kit and sell 32gb. Maybe, next year.
> Get R9 7900x
I don't like AMD graphics drivers.
> Go for Deepcool AK620 or AG620 instead.
I'm not retarded switch to water cooling. Especially on cold chip.

>>102562210
the 7900X is a 12 core cpu as the 7800X3D is more suited to gamers.
the AK620 is an air cooler

>>102562011
No company is your friend, the reason I mocked our indian brethren is because anyonr with half a brain knows that.

I am going to start a motherboard company, all motherboards are going to have a digital code readout and socketed bioses and bios flashback.

>>102562323
good luck
normalfags won't understand why that is useful and keep buying low-end ASUS boards

>>102559249
what is it again?

>>102562323
>digital code readout
useful once if that
>socketed bioses
no use case for the end user
>bios flashback
already standard

hermanos,
do I get a 4070 super for $560, or a 4070 ti super for $720? Is the extra ~$200 worth the performance?

>>102562469
>useful once if that
are you also against seat belts and airbags because they are only useful once if at all?

>>102562744
Yes.
And absurdly thick pillars, roofs, doors, and passenger safety features and everything else they tacked onto cars since the 90s.
The busybodies in various regulatory agencies ruined car aesthetics AND deprived society of a beneficial eugenic mechanism that removed low inhibs and retards with no situational awareness from the society.

>>102562795
pedestrian safety, I mean

>>102558879
That was the one I already knew about. I don't want to buy something without long at alternatives, assuming there are any

>>102562795
okay but adding two 7-segment displays to a mobo costs literally nothing so their absence is just pure jewry

>>102562836
Just bought a qube 500 like 2 days ago, white. Its so pretty.

>>102562857
Manufacturing electronics when you're not an IP/patent holder is thin margin business so there's no such concept as 'costs literally nothing'.
E.g. Foxconn which is probably the purest example runs on like 3% margin.

>>102562917
How big is the box it ships in? Some cases specify in their pages but haven't found it here

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>>102560929
AMD's official review guidelines for Zen 5 CPUs state 6000MT/s is the sweet spot due to the memory controller.
It's using the same 6nm I/O die as the previous gen CPUs.

I'd say that's worse than 13/14th gen Intel Core chips using higher-clocked Gracemont e-cores that debuted with 12th gen chips.

>>102562564
Are you buying these used? That 4070 Ti Super price is near all time low if new.
4070 Super is fine @ 1440p if you're willing to tweak some settings for problematic games.

>>102556796
Because it's not a 4090
that shit is worth $800 max

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Day 539 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

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>>102563040
That's just what they tell youtubers they also told them 95C is not actually hot.

>>102563269
>says this when 99% of people don't buy the top tier card anyway

>>102563040
>due to the memory controller
ackshually, the memory controller is fine, its the infinity fabric that is holding it back >>102560977
once stable 8000mt DDR5 is available it will be better

>>102563295
The 7900XTX is the bestselling AMD Radeon card

>>102562992
I didn't buy the flatpak, it came preassembled, so I can't tell.

>>102563306
Of the 7000 Series. It's the only 7000 AMD card on the steam charts, lower than every single 40 series card

4090 Super, does brand matter? say MSI and ASUS.

>>102563348
depends on the specific card in particular

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>>102563284
What the guideline state is true, dumbasses like you just don't like the facts.
The system's going to shut down before any physical damage is done to the PC at higher temps.

>>102559717
it's time sis.....

>>102563376
The fact is 95C is hot and AMD Youtuber marketing won't change that.

>>102563387
The fact is Ryzen 7000 chips can run at 95°C 24/7, whether you feel that's hot or not is irrelevant.
Your opinion means 0.

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>>102563375

>>102559717
>I don't necessarily want to build a whole updated rig but I can if it's going to be that bad
bro you are maxed out
you'd need a whole platform upgrade
so you need to ask yourself if it's worth it
if you want a 4090 you'll need a 4090 tier platform and that is not it

>>102563396
noooooooooooooo 95c is too hot they'll all break, your warranty will be denied you should've bought intel stoopid AMDummy!!!!

>>102563396
Feeling has nothing to do with it. 95C is hot.

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>>102563416
That operating temp is covered under warranty.
It's within specs, literally.

>>102563428
95°C is the maximum covered operating temp, whether it's hot or not is irrelevant.

>>102563456
It is very relevant since AMD had to address the youtubers with marketing that 95C is not actually a hot temperature.

>95c is too hot
>110c memory chips are fine

>>102563470
Because dumbasses like you "think/feel" it's unsafe, it's not.
Cite a single instance of a Ryzen 7000 CPU being destroyed for running at 95°C 24'/7.
The event that killed these CPUs was due to errant SoC voltage spikes, not thermal issues.

>>102563499
The ones that exploded

Hotter chips are better for a given TDP since it makes it easier to remove the heat with a smaller cooler.

>>102563499
>The event that killed these CPUs was due to errant SoC voltage spikes, not thermal issues.
because they were already running at 95C

>>102563490
Look at this faggot bringing up GDDR6X temps, when Micron/NVIDIA didn't publicly disclose maximum operating temps for those chips.
Ryzen 7000s are covered under warranty to run at 95°C, lower for the X3D chips.

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would it be retarded to upgrade now? i'm rockin a 3070

>>102563547
Name one game worth playing that you can't play with your current setup.

>>102563505
>The ones that exploded
Were running at out of spec voltages, subsequent AGESA updates lowered maximum Vsoc limits.
Those updates didn't lower maximum operating temps.
I accept your concession.

>>102563517
Post proof fuckwad. You need to prove the chips running at 89°C caused errant Vsoc spikes You can't.

>>102563324
Well, thanks anyway, anon

>>102563509
TDP is literally a meme number, if you lock chips at a fixed power draw (assuming they can sustain it 100%), they pretty much reach the same temperature.

>>102563564
damn ya got me

>>102563567
AMD had exploding CPUs. CPUs that ran at 95C. None of their other CPUs that ran at 95C exploded.

Because 95C is hot.

>>102563594
Just "get" ""into"" """AI""", then you will have infinite excuses and rationalizations to upgrade to the hottest flagship GPU available.

didn't 8800xt tech specs leak? is it going to be 16gb vram or 20/24?

>>102563601
>CPUs that ran at 95C
You need to prove the chips that specifically exploded were running at that temp before the Vsoc spiked.
You can't, because 7800X3D chips were dying and those have a 89°C limit. Because it's your made up fiction.
GN already replicated the issue, bad things happened before temps ran out of control, including an OCP that didn't trigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI

Both AMD and Intel haven't lowered the maximum operating temp specs of their chips because they know the 89°C/95°C/100°C operating points aren't the root causes, unlike the dumbass that is you.

I got cheap 3090ti from friend and now I am gonna upgrade my entire rig. Is an 850w psu enough for the 3090ti and 78003d system?

>>102563675
should be plenty

>>102563660
>We Exploded the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
CPU that runs at 95C (Hot) explodes
No surprise there

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Can you put a case fan on the CPU cooler without problems? Or is it not recommended?

>>102563699
A PWM fan is a PWM fan, but CPU ones are usually optimized to squeeze air through radiators since there's a tradeoff between pressure and airflow.

>>102563682
They tested with a 7800X3D dumbass (89°C), the chip quickly died before OTP triggered because of shoddy voltage/current protections.

95°C is just a number reported by the sensor
different processors have sensors in different places
not useful to compare temperature between vendors

just ignore the number goy
don't worry about it

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>>102563741
CPUs have dozens of digital thermal sensors internally embedded in the silicon.
That's why HWInfo shows a separate report segment for the CPU sensor & the motherboard's chip sensors.

>>102563638
anyone?

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>>102563847
It's expected to be a 16GB card, this generation of games doesn't need more than 16GB VRAM.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi-44-xl-new-rdna4-gpu-spotted-in-shipping-manifest

New:
>>102563919
>>102563919
>>102563919
>>102563919
>>102563919
>>102563919

>>102563717
Hot CPU explodes
Happened to loads of people and nobody thinks 95C is not hot

>>102563769
And HWinfo reports 95C as hot

>>102563945
>Happened to loads of people
You haven't cited a single instance where 95°C was the sole cause of the chip exploding.
GN specifically stated low resistance shorts and the board continuing to feed current to boot up the system was the root cause of the exploding Ryzen chips.
Elevated Vsoc was causing long-term degradation. Neither are temperature-related causes.

Ryzen chips running at 89/95°C are still covered under AMD's warranty.

I accept your concession.

>>102564003
They had to cover them, on account of them exploding.

Because 95C is hot, unlike AMD marketing thinks.

>>102563962
>reports 95C as hot
HWInfo labels the temperature point as the maximum limit. Not "as hot".
You can set the CPU temperature limit to 60°C in the BIOS, and HWInfo will report that reading "as hot".

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>>102564019
Still covered under warranty after 2 years since release, Ryzen 9000s also specced to run at 95°C.
You still haven't cited a single CPU exploding solely due to thermal issues.
You don't even know how HWInfo is set up to report the readings.
I accept your concession.

>>102564033
It turns red it's hot
according to AMD 96C is hot but 95C is not hot

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>>102564058
>Ryzen 9000s also specced to run at 95°C.
They're also only rated for 5600MHz and yet AMD reviewers lies guide tells youtubers to run it at 6000MHz just like it tells them that 95C is not hot

>>102563870
thanks very much

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>>102564089
>It turns red it's hot
HWInfo's thermal warning is set to start within 5°C of the maximum limit set in the BIOS, it's not about the concept of whether the chip's running hot or not.
You dipshit retard.

>>102564141
Where's the consistency in your argument?
You're claiming the CPU can run faster than reported memory specs, but the true maximum operating limit is supposedly lower.
Convenient.

The fact is, Ryzen non-X3D chips running at 95°C 24/7 is covered under warranty. Their words, not mine.
None of you still haven't cited a single CPU exploding solely due to it running at maximum rated temps.

I want to buy a white PC Case and a 240 AIO with a colorful, 60hz display that can display picture, animation, video.

What do you guys recommend?

> inb4 rgb eww
I know & I agree. I use a shit fugly black case with shit fugly internals because I don't care about aesthetics. but that's me.

>>102564199
My consistency is the same

They say 95C not being hot (It is)
Their CPU is only rated for 5600 yet they tell youtubers to run it at 6000

Their hot CPUs then exploded

>>102563638
>>102563847
AMD said they are quitting high-end GPU market

>>102564229
>Their hot CPUs then exploded
There was a low resistance short on the board, it was feeding dangerous levels of current to the CPU in attempts to boot it up.
That exploded the board & the CPU, it's not about the 7800X3D running at the 89°C limit, let alone the 95°C limit for other CPUs.
Continuing to argue against this fact is ignorant.

>>102564288
They haven't been in it since the 7970

Does it make sense to go with nvidia if you're not going to use RT? I was thinking of getting the 4070 super but I've seen it struggle with some games I want to play when RT is on. At that point, would it be smarter to get a slightly cheaper 7900 GRE?

>>102564923
No because DLSS makes the 4070 better than a 7900 XTX
Unironically