>>102563919
booba...

>>102563870
We are never EVER getting a consumer card with enough memory to run a decent LLM, are we?
Sam Altman and the Big Basilisk lobby control everything from the shadows.

my gpu does this https://youtu.be/HP73edpQwgc?feature=shared&t=90

there is no way to stop this? It's so annoying

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Are smaller cards usually quieter? If course they'll have smaller coolers because they'll produce less heat, but in general, is it safe to assume some 6600 or 3060 won't sound like a jet engine under load?

>>102564011
smaller cards are louder. Bigger cards are quieter.

>>102563919
nice pc build you got there

>>102563984
lower refresh rate
limit power consumption
open up the card and put nail polish on the coils and components around them

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>>102563919
GIB RDNA 4

>>102563984
Set maximum frame limit to about 3~5 FPS under your monitor's maximum refresh rate.
Overclock and then undervolt the GPU.
You want to reduce the amount of current delivered to the card.

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>>102564011
bigger = more fans = lower rpm for the same cfm = less db

assuming constant wattage

>>102564011
No.
Big cards with big heatsinks will run passively under low load, be quieter under high load, and have more wiggle room to undervolt, and smooth out load spikes that might cause smaller cards to go high RPM for short periods.
No replacement for displacement.

>>102564011
If you care about operating noise you either want to go water cooling or buy a card with the largest heatsink your case can comfortably fit in.
Large fans & heatsink is a good feature as long as the card fits in your case.

See the cooler installed in the ASUS x Noctua card, the fans run silently to the point where the coil whine will distract you.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-noctua-oc/2.html

Arrow Lake gaming leaks where?!

>>102564305
Already out, it's doa, basically another Zen 5 story, turns out TSMC N3 is just shit.

>>102563949
Both NVIDIA and AMD know they're on a timer to profiteer off of the AI boom.
It's good business to encourage people to buy expensive hardware to run AI models.

>>102563919
I just cranked my hog to huge anime booba for 4 hours straight

How do you update the vbios on a gpu? Just run the exe?

>>102563919
>4000D airflow
>avoid
That's literally the case I have right now, did I fuck up? It was the cheapest case on the site, which was the main reason why I picked it up. It was actually ridiculously cheap, I think it might have been the cheapest one on the entire site.

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5090

>>102564799
>32G
Noooooo I don't want to be a VRAMlet.

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5080

>>102564799
So we really doing it
600 Watts
What a time

I have a 3800X and want to upgrade my GPU, should I go for a 7700XT or a 6800 (non-XT) if both are a similar price (~£400)? How much of a difference in price does there need to be to change the answer? How much cheaper should a 6750XT be?

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>>102564799
Toasty 600W limit.

>>102564799
NAH HOLY FUCK

32 GB GDDR7

512 BIT BUS

600 WATTS

THIS SHIT IS COSTING $2000 MINIMUM

AI FAGS WON SO FUCKING HARD

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>>102564054
isn't RDNA4 just ray tracing and AI upgrade for RDNA3?
real new gen will be RDNA5 which is developed for PS6

>>102564817
>16GB 5080
this shit better cost $999 MAX I don't want to see this selling at $1600 with half the fucking vram and 2/3 the power

>>102564817
>full GB203 die
So 5080 Super will be an even more cut down GB202?
Well, if the price of the 5080 is $1000, I'll be buying it

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5090 2-slot cooler

>>102564871
DUAL SLOT TOO??? IT'S OVER NVIDIA WINS

>>102564871
Alien technology confirmed?

>>102564799
>>102564817
https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1839345147789934794
https://x.com/kopite7kimi/status/1839343725727941060

>>102564850
do you want to cut it that close to the next taiwan strait crisis in 2027?

>>102564865
>5080 Super
Probably won't release the next generation because NVIDIA already learned that $1200 for a -80 tier card doesn't sell well and AMD's tapped out of that segment.
They will package as many GB202 and 203 dies into workstation and datacenter cards.

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>>102564324
>Already out, it's doa, basically another Zen 5 story, turns out TSMC N3 is just shit.
It's crazy that Zen 4/X3D, Zen 5, Alder Lake, Raptor Lake, Raptor Lake Refresh, and now expectedly Arrow Lake are all basically a standard deviation/rounding error's worth of difference among themselves.

We've have 5-6 generations' worth of releases over the past 2-3 years that have basically been the same parts getting resold over and over. Clock speeds have stagnated or will regressed, IPC gain are non-existent or get swallowed by aforementioned clockspeed regressions, and no increases in core count. The decision tree for CPUs is how many money do you have and can afford DDR5 or DDR4, and how many cores do you want. The 12900K still sitting respectably in this chart was released on November 4, 2021 and is above the 9700X that was released August 8th, 2024. Moreover the 12900K is only $280 on PCPartPicker right now. The 9700X? Between $324 & $360.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gGH7YJ/intel-core-i9-12900k-32-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512900k
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YMzXsY/amd-ryzen-7-9700x-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100001404wof

I'll only now mention Intel's oxidation & degradation issues and AMD's performance issues with Windows. It's like the Haswell-era over again but for everyone.

>>102564799
>>102564817
nothing about the 5070? is it gonna be GB203 or GB205?

>>102564982
You won't see anything about 5070 and below until at least CES 2025

I don't think CPUs manufacturers know what DIY market even wants anymore and I blame youtubers

>>102564817
>less than half the cores
yeah thats beyond cucked, next gen is a dud

>>102564982
70 class is mid tier enjoy your 12GB 128 bit bus

>>102564982
5070's going to use 205, never 203. Never.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the 5070 being stuck with GDDR6X, it's a 12GB card for sure.
NVIDIA's prioritizing high margins for each die.

>>102564925
God damnit this ducker said CES though for release, which is years away. I hope the timeline is pushed forward too for release now.

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>>102563919
>GPU
And now you understand why I have to regulate this thread

>>102564011
Undervolting will make almost any card quiet. Overbuilt cooling for a particular card will make it quiet. But yes, something like a 3060 will be quiet because it doesn't require beefy cooling even at stock

>>102564799
Interesting, so I guess they're not cutting GB202 down substantially for the 5090. If there is a Titan, not going to be substantially better than the 5090

>>102564828
None

>>102564850
>just

>>102563919
OP is full of poorfag choices must be euro hours

>>102564799
>>102564817
>600W/400W
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkyhvCdJ_vM
The return of the king

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>>102564946
>It's like the Haswell-era over again but for everyone
Collusion, also designing chips is hard. If it wasn't, the chinks or the vatniks would have caught up by now

>>102564982
>nothing about the 5070?
Too early for solid leaks. Likely it'll show up within three months of the 5090 release

>>102565075
>stuck with GDDR6X
As we saw with the 4070 and 3070 Ti variants, RAM means almost nothing for the performance of the card.

>>102564817
$1799

>>102564787
>That's literally the case I have right now, did I fuck up? It was the cheapest case on the site, which was the main reason why I picked it up. It was actually ridiculously cheap, I think it might have been the cheapest one on the entire site.
It's fine if it was cheap.

FSR 1 - shit
FSR 2 - shit
-2 year development gap-
FSR 3 - shit
FSR 3.1 - shit

What do they even do at Radeon all day

>>102565217
$1999 minimum

>>102565245
nah that'll be the 5090 ti

>>102565233
nobody cares, amdgpu linux is 15-25% faster than windows nvidiagpu.

>>102565255
There won't be a 5090ti

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The 5070 is actually going to be 12gb, isn't it?
They're really going to get away with it, aren't they?

>>102565233
They keep making the wrong bets, mostly to reduce R&D costs.
It's a false economy considering they're walking back those decisions with RDNA4.

>>102565273
Nobody cares about that shit AMD has more linux users using Ryzen APUs than Radeon trash garbage

>>102565289
there will be

>>102565297
won't 12gb gddr7 be equal to 16gb gddr6?

>>102565297
NVIDIA's not repeating a Pascal generation ever again.
They're not happy with the longevity of the 1080Ti, 1070, and the 6GB 1060.

ok smartass, if RayTracing is so bad, what's your solution, huh?

>>102565336
ray tracing but with amd being better at it of course

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>>102565273
Sure buddy

>>102565326
Yes that what Nvidia marketing will say just like they said some extra L2 cache was better than double the bus width

dlss 4 texture compression being a 5090/80 exclusive feature is going to be funny

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>>102564817
>fucking halved

>>102565332
those cards had longevity because people refuse to upgrade their 1080p monitors bro
hence why their marketing went from 'the 970 does 4k' to 'this more expensive card 10 years later is great for 1080p'

>>102565348
8700G will outperform all that Radeon trash

reminder that from the moment the 50 series drops, every new driver will reduce the performance of your existing video card

>>102565367
There's no competition, the RTX 5090 is specced the way it is to maintain the premium image.
A significant number of people who buy the best cards upgrade every new generation anyway.

if intel were smart, they would make a gpu with 48gb

>>102565336
people who shit on raytracing are either ragebaiting gaymd-tards, or people who are mentally stuck in the mindset of when it first launched. I mean it's defacto a part of Unreal 5 now, so get with the times I guess.

>>102565382
More like we're still in the longest cross-generation console cycle in history.
Practically all of the multiplayer titles are cross-gen hardware compatible.
There are very few current-gen exclusive titles encouraging people to buy new video cards.

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>>102565410
AMDelusional FUD

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Whats the cheapest but coolest looking build I could put together that will blow normies away?

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>>102565489
open cases are kinda flashy

>>102565115
>Interesting, so I guess they're not cutting GB202 down substantially for the 5090.
Probably because it's another 5nm node refinement (4NP), not a jump to a further advanced node.
RTX 5090's going to have the largest die since the 2080Ti if it's a monolithic chip.

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>>102565489
idk, something like picrel. I always thought these looked cool when I was 12.

>>102565489
north xl mesh will blow them away by showcasing non manchild rgbt taste

Cue MLID upload about, "my sources already shared Kopite's 5080/5090 specs, buuuuuuuuut..."

>>102564194
>>102564243
>>102565115
What's my best bet if I want a really silent card? Replacing the fans with standard cpu fans isn't guaranteed to work, replacing the heatsink is extraordinarily impractical because nothing is standard, a water cooled system will still make noise because of pumps and shit, and undervolting can only get you so far
Is my best bet just buying a higher tier card I don't need then never fully utilizing it?

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>scalpers are trying to sell the pre booked PS5 Pro for 1500€ already

>>102565664
card with big heatsink and deshroud mod with 3x noctua 120mm

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>>102565664
Don't overthink this, an undervolted ASUS Dual card is silent enough if you're in the market for a 4060.
For a -70 tier card, try to get a reasonably priced triple fan cooler with a decently thick heatsink.
A tweaked ASUS Dual is also fine for these sub-250W cards, depending on your noise tolerance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-gaming-x/37.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-super-ex/37.html

>>102565679
Is there some sort of way to know if a card has anything blocking the heatsink when disassembled or if it has standard pwm fan headers? I've checked some deshrouding videos, it seems like a common problem is that you can never get to the bare heatsink because there's either some sort of plate where the fans are mounted or tabs that stick out, preventing any fan bigger than the stock ones from spinning. And trying GPU fans to CPU temp just sounds retarded

>>102565455
I shit on raytracing because it makes ZERO sense to do both RT and raster halfassed, give me a GPU that does NOTHING but raytracing and has NO die space wasted on raster so that games can be fully pathtraced at playable framerates.

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>>102565737
A big misconception is that RT doesn't require a lot of the same shit as raster. How do you think geometry is created under the RT paradigm?

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>>102565725
Which card are you planning to mod?
There's a high-quality 3D printed deshroud mod seller on Etsy if you can't DIY.
Worked great on my 3080 but I sold that card for other reasons.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Osserva

You can also apply non-sticky, heavy-duty, double-sided tape on the case fan's struts to attach the fan to the heatsink.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-already-planning-ryzen-5-9600x3d-with-3d-v-cache
Bad sign if the 9600X3D rumors are already starting, as that means AMD probably plans to price the 9800X3D at a stupid launch MSRP and let it rot on shelves so they're already trying to salvage defect chips for a SKU that can actually move volume while protecting their margins.

>>102565679
not anon, but don't you mean 3x noctua 90mm? Or 2x noctua 120mm

>>102565725
you can just 3d print whatever brackets you need

>>102565809
whatever fits, that was just an example

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>16GB 5080
5060 will be 8GB

>>102565975
That was the expectation since Kopite leaked 192-bit GB205 back in March of this year.
There's no reason to give more VRAM when this generation of games is bound by the Series S' hardware limitations.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-blackwell-gb203-gpu-to-feature-256-bit-bus-gb205-with-192-bit-claims-leaker
4060 is comfortably outselling Radeon cards with more memory capacity.

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Would you trust aftermarket batteries? Mine bulged and died after 5 years of use so I hollowed out the shell and filled it with anti static foam for now. I'm not sure if it's worth the risk getting some china cells really. Also anyone with laptop that use external battery? Anything good in 200w range?

>>102566095
>Would you trust aftermarket batteries?
not in 2024

>>102566095
i got some 2 years ago and they lasted a whole 30 minutes, get oem

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usecase for more than 8 gb vram?

>>102566286
running modern graphical applications

>>102566286
running all the hidden crypto miners I've accumulated over the years.

>>102566286
AI porn and erotic roleplay with LLMs

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>>102566294
usecase for "modern" graphical apps?
>>102566318
usecase for shitcoin miners?

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>>102566322
usecase for ai porn and memegpt?

>>102566286
Acting superior to cope with your AMD buyer remorse

>>102565798
If they deliver the performance, I will pay the extortionate price.

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>>102566358
usecase for falling for njudea's tricks?

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>>102566358
amd has more vram than njudea

Threadly reminder that the RX 580 released in 2017 with 8gb of vram at $200

>>102566286
playing video games on RX 6650 XT

>>102566454
Radeon willingly stepped away from making high-end SKUs for RDNA4 anyway.
They're part of the problem.
Intel can't even reveal Battlemage dGPUs yet, these were supposed to compete against the RTX 40-series cards.

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https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases/wiki/Nvidia-30%25-and-0-RPM

I hate Nvidia so goddamn much

Titties

>>102564799
come on just announce it so I can buy cheap 40 series card

>>102566095
>Would you trust aftermarket batteries?
for bespoke battery packs? probably not. if it's just a pack of 18650 cells, then aftermarket batteries are probably better than whatever garbage the OEM used originally

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>>102566530
it just works on amd

>>102566617
its custom 4 pouch cells also everything was glued on and modding it would be stupid dangerous. I'm thinking of getting external power now.

>>102566525
after the geekbench battlemage findings yesterday I think it's safe to say they'll be announcing it pretty soon

Why would AMD only commit to the mid range now when Intel is there to be a competitor there too? Shouldn't they have done this years ago.

there are 3 dGPU manufacturers and the market is less competitive than ever this does not make sense

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>>102566777
controlled opposition

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>>102566777
wasn't intel gpu division run by pajeet?

>>102566762
Because they fucked up their high end design but aren't going to publically say that

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>>102563919
Would a 6800XT + 7800X3D be enough for 1080p for the next 8+ years?

>>102566894
So you're saying they just had lab results and confirmed they are nowhere near a 4090 successor so will spin it by saying they are not targeting high end?

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>>102566919
yes if you mean 1080p30 upscaled from 720p + Frame Generation + FSR200

>>102566948
>image
That'll be fixed. Games are made to launch with shit performance to drive up console sales.

>>102566777
7900 GRE.

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>>102566286
As I don't use Blender or run SD locally, haven't found it yet. Pic related is running at 5120x2880

>>102566762
The fact that two of the three are lagging so far behind should give you some indication of the root causes

>>102566919
Not even enough now

>>102566996
No

>>102567030
Shalom

>>102566996
>7900 GRE
This was a last-ditch attempt by AMD Radeon to package unsold mobile 7900XTX chips before they lost even more value.

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I set up a -50 on all cores in curve optimizer. I haven't encountered blue screens or random shutdowns, but the cpu frequency drops to around 0.5 GHz sometimes, mostly when I leave the computer idling and it falls into sleep. Can that damage the CPU? It's quite annoying when it happens, but it's better than to deal with high temps.

>>102567094
>but the cpu frequency drops to around 0.5 GHz sometimes, mostly when I leave the computer idling and it falls into sleep
That's how modern CPUs are supposed to work whether you undevolted them or not, it's a power-saving feature.

>>102567093
Yeah, it has great p4p. I agree.

AMD cards lack basic features

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>>102563919
how stupid would it be buy a new 1080p 24inch monitor in the age of cheap 1440p 27inchers?

I am still on a 1080p 60hz one from 2011

>>102565906
>>102565469 (You)
How do you think e-ink would be for looking at service manuals? main concern i have is zooming in on images or text, but i feel like it could be worth it for this purpose.
If you're reading at home it won't matter. E-ink would only slow you down.
If you're using it as a service manual at work? It will be great because you don't have to worry about it running out of battery when you need it most.

>>102567163
I wish. The frequencies stay at 0.5 ghz no mater what I do until I reset.

>>102567187
tell us more wise jew

>>102567196
>I am still on a 1080p 60hz
good god

main choices
1080p 360hz
1440p 240hz
4k 60hz

>>102567250
Then your undervolt is too aggressive and the CPU's deliberately throttling the core frequencies to prevent the system from crashing.

>>102567196
If you want to save 50 dollars, 1080 24 is fine.

>>102567196
It depends on the performance of your video card and your target fps.

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>>102567196
Stupid
1440p DLSS Quality looks better than 1080p DLAA and they're similarly performance (un)intensive. Same for 1440p DLSS Performance vs 1080p DLSS Quality
Always buy 1440p over 1080p if you're buying a new monitor. Right now the best option is the Q27G3XMN for entry HDR, but if that's still too expensive for you (poorfag), then the G2724AD is fine

>>102567267
240 Hz is definitely better than 144 or 165 Hz, but it's not necessary for a poorfag. They'll be in the lower Hz range using VRR most of the time

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16gb?!

If you buy a 1080p monitor in current year I fucking hate you for perpetuating this ancient fucking standard that should've died years ago, you are the reason why devs justify putting in 0 effort to optimize their games, 1080p should be viewed the same way we see 720p, but it isn't because of faggots like you

>>102567328
There's nobody on a 4080 that has ever ran out of VRAM. Do you want to pay $1000 or $1600 for 4GB more of useless VRAM

>>102567351
In before faggots seething about VR & modslops.

>>102567304
I'd be building a new system around whatever new monitor I get.

>>102567349
1440p/4K needs to produce 500fps minimum then because until they do esports gamers will stick at 1080p with the highest Hz

>>102567351
16Gb?? What do you need 12Gb for?

>slightly wider bus and 2 more GB? That'll be $300 goy. its just what it costs, its the terrible inflation you see

>>102566045
Aren’t consoles a little bit differently structured and more the games more optimized?

I got a 4080 Super yesterday.
Now what?

>>102567366
You're getting shafted by practically any video card options these days, might as well jump to 1440p.
Even budget 1440p 165Hz monitors are good enough to last you a long time.
The ones that go for $300~400 are nice, the only better options I'd consider are OLED panels.

>>102567388
If you want more VRAM buy the 5090

>>102567349
if you give me a card that can run 1440p games at high refresh rates without shitting itself that doesn't cost a bazillion dollars, then maybe I'll consider it. Until then, keep seething.

I'm looking for pre-build PCs that have the best compatibility with Linux(Ubuntu/Mint/Manjoro)
Just for watching youtube/twitch and browsing(I usually have a lot of tabs open don't know how much that matters for CPU power should be more of a RAM problem right?)
Budget $500.

>>102567408
avoid tech sites for the next 5 years so waitchads dont laugh at you

>>102567408
play games on DLDSR

1440p is a gaming cope resolution anyway. Nothing is produced for this. Everything should be on 4K/8K by now.

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>>102567349
>1080p should be viewed the same way we see 720p
720p is only dead because CRT and Plasma are no more. I still wait for the day we get a display without backlight with natural pixel overbleed so we can abandon the silly 4K and upscaling meme and get back to pursuing graphical fidellity.

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>>102567419
You cant run 1080p144 either

>>102567396
Series S' 10GB unified memory has 8GB dedicated to the GPU.
Maybe some later update increased the GPU allocation.
Modern console APUs are basically PC chips, you can find PS5 chips fitted into a Windows PC in Chinese web stores.

>>102567430
>$500
that's a gpu, mid range.

you should just go get a minipc from minisforum or some shit

>>102567443
superior nvidia technology

>>102567408
send it to this location and I'll make a cool modkit for you that will give it 200+ fps xD
>1°59'07.1"N 157°28'27.7"W

>>102567478
>path tracing
>unoptimized cdproject red slop
try again buddy

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>>102567453

>>102567481
>gpu
onboard gpu is fine I'm not plaing on playing anthing.

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>600W
MSI Knew
Those looking to upgrade 4090 will definitely all need new PSUs too

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reject njudea and intel aviv
embrace antisemitic micro devices

>>102567605
>worse performance for more watts

>>102567559
you'll be more than fine with a minipc with like an 8700G in it

>>102567537
????????
If your benchmark isnt AAA games using raytracing, then you can run 4k120 on a used 3080 already. So whats the problem with 1440p

>>102567612
being antisemitic comes with a price. what are you, a jew?

>>102567636
You don't understand. Radeon retards think maxing out games on highest graphics settings is simply impossible or shouldn't ever be done.

>>102567668
tell me more about those kosher lies, moshe.

>>102567326
What is all this bullshit? Doesn’t anyone play at a native resolution anymore?

>>102567687
Native (really using some shitty TAA) has been worse than DLSS for at least 1 year.

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>>102567687
Why would you play at native (which is what the 1080p side shows) when you can get better image quality by playing not-native, in fact, super-native, at the same performance cost?

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>>102567706
>Native has been worse than DLSS for at least 1 year
DLSS2 was released almost five years ago at this point
Geforce users have had better than native at higher performance in most games since then
The few Radeontards in existence are the only ones still paying the native tax

>>102567717
>dlss perf
lol

>>102567706
>>102567717
>>102567740
All I’m hearing is “game devs are fucking retarded”

>>102567687
Upscaling is a matter of perspective.
You can argue it's a crutch.
There's also the pov where upscalers allow you to experience visual details/settings that aren't possible until mainstream hardware can performantly render them at native resolution.

If you want to run games at native resolution, do that and turn off the hardware-demanding settings.

>>102567668
they would be right

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>>102567765
All I'm hearing is that you're stuck in 2005
Wake up and smell the roses: reconstruction is a part of modern rendering, and it looks better than anything prior

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>nvidia shill defends stagnation

>>102567623
ok thanks

I really feel like I'm a moron after I've bought a 4070 considering the fact that I literally do not even play any games at all, like, ever. The only games I play are valve games and they all are insanely CPU intensive and barely even use graphics card at all. I should probably have bought a worse graphics card and a better CPU because valve games are the most retardedly CPU taxing games there are, your GPU literally doesn't even matter at all. My GPU fans barely even spin when playing valve games and I don't know if I'm the stupid one or if valve should make games like normal people do instead of their pants on head retarded CPU bound games.

>>102566777
>there are 3 dGPU manufacturers and the market is less competitive than ever this does not make sense
3 dGPU company, only 1 manufacturer (TSMC).
It makes we question why none of them went to Samsung this gen for their products like Nvidia did before. Sure the node would be older/slower but if it's cheap enough they could sell cards for a fraction of what TSMC-made GPUs would and nobody would complain (price/performance might actually be better if the numerator of that calculation was small enough). Hell, why can't Arc/Battlemage be minted by Intel in-house?

Nvidia
Better than native
Ray tracing
Path tracing
AI texture compression
only card than can do 4K60
Devs literally increased the fps caps on their games for the 4090 alone

Radeon
copies almost all nvidia technology poorly and takes literal years to do it
overcharges then cuts prices (bad reviews remain)
gives up
loses marketshare
fanboys literally get excited that console trash PS5 Pro technology might end up in RDNA4 lol

>>102566777
>the market is less competitive than ever
that's because there's only one semiconductor fab, TSMC, for all three of them. they're all using the same silicon. 10 years ago AMD used glofo and nvidia used samsung nodes

>>102567854
>2005
Better days

>>102567967
Intel and AMD's main goal with GPU development is to sell more lucrative AI hardware.
You don't design those chips on Samsung foundries, else Samsung would be dumb to be sitting on a gold mine.

This is also why the best Samsung can do during this hardware boom is to supply HBM memory chips.

>>102567967
Intel's new CPUs aren't even in house

>>102567636
cyberpunk is an unoptimized mess. Also path tracing is nowhere near consumer ready. According to you, the only way to barely get high framerates on even 1080p is with a 4090? Good one man.

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>>102567196
>60hz
Setting aside 1080p vs 1440p. Forget games, Just THE FUCKING DESKTOP is night and day better on a high-refresh display. Things like dragging out windows, scrolling webpages, and moving the cursor feel snappier from having the input lag and look clearer with less motion blur.

For 24" 1080p vs 27" 1440p, the increase in pixels per inch from ~92 to 109 PPI will mean slightly improved sharpness and the 27% larger panel size and digital real estate makes PC usage less claustrophobic.

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I wonder how Radeon will fare in Metaphor
It's a heavily CPU limited DX11 game (as I've discovered from messing around with the demo), and the threading will likely conflict with Radeon's DX11 driver. Technically it could be optimized to avoid said threading conflict, but we're talking about Jap devs here

>Direct3D 11
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Metaphor:_ReFantazio

Radeon users might be able to try Special K's DLL or DXVK if they're not on Linux using DXVK already

>>102568111
Cyberpunk 2077 is now one of the best optimized games. E.g., it's CPU core threading is industry leading. Also its RT implementation is one of the very best in terms of performance and quality

>>102567985
>better than native
it's crazy how dldsr + dlss quality will just make the image look better for free. Black magic.

>>102567196
yeah I am also on 22inch 1080p 60hz monitor and thinking about buying new monitor at next prime days

>>102568128
you seem to be under the impression that I'm a gaymd shill. That couldn't be further from the truth. However my point still stands. Path tracing will eat your resources and no, cyberpunk is still as resource heavy as it always was. Play any other game will RT in it and you'll get significantly better performance. Even in your own little chart it said that a 4090 barely gets above 60 fps. One of the best optimized games my ass.

>>102568050
>>102568023
AI really is a yoke around the neck of consumer technology. I don't think another tech trend has ever been so all-consuming as to actively hamper the investment and progress of entire sectors of the industry the way it has. It's the Black Plague dragging us into the technological Dark Ages.

>>102567326
>240 Hz is definitely better than 144 or 165 Hz, but it's not necessary for a poorfag. They'll be in the lower Hz range using VRR most of the time
Is 240hz even a really big difference from something like 170hz? I'm thinking about picking up a new monitor soon which might reach those refresh rates, but I heard that the difference isn't really that big. My current build is reaching max refresh rate on my monitor most of the time, so I think that I might be able to play at a high refresh rate at 1440p but I'm not completely sure about it.

>>102568237
AI is a subject matter, if a company chooses to cut corners and exploit it to their fullest extent that's just executives being greedy cunts not le heckin evil AI.

>>102568237
Don't be overdramatic over GAYMING JEETPEEYUUS.
Chip designers are supposed to allocate R&D into profitable ventures.
Gaming GPUs are just one of many downstream products now.

None of these major players prioritize gaming GPU development.
AMD recently announced they're abandoning RDNA for a unified architecture moving forward (UDNA).

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Holy fuck bro nobody says "Radeon" IRL or anywhere else
they just say "AMD GPU"
way to out yourselves as fucking obsessed cunts

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>>102568383

>>102568401
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU

>>102568401
retard

Graphics cards are the new real estate, I’m buying a cluster of 5090’s and selling them to gen alpha for 250k in 30 years.

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>>102568410

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>>102568231
>your own little chart
You seem to think anonymous is one person.

>any other game will RT
Almost nogames have PT. Metro Exodus Enhanced is PT pretty much except in name only. Alan Wake 2 has PT but its coverage seems more limited from what I can tell. I think Wukong as some form of PT, but I haven't investigated it. RTX Remix games have PT. I don't even think Outlaws qualifies as having full PT, and it's got similar performance to PT in Cyberpunk 2077

>>102568287
Personally I wouldn't focus too much on refresh rate (if you're already at 120 Hz+) at the expense of other features like HDR or resolution. Obviously the best monitors right now are the 240Hz 4K OLEDs, unless you're getting some specialized monitor for esports or color grading or something. The 1440p LCDs are mostly stopgaps that you'll want to replace as soon as 4K OLED fits in your budget, so not really worth getting one that's over $300 (or $200 if you're not getting FALD)

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>>102568411
Fuckface

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hey guys what's a good cpu for the 4070 ti super?

>>102568875
What resolution do you use and what sort of games do you play?

>>102568875
R5 7600 is a good general recommendation
If you have an older AM4 system already, a 5700X3D

>>102568898
2k, i don't play many modern games but do lots of ai training with cuda.

>>102568913
im buying everything new, using the first zephyrus g14 model rn

>>102568875
Since you didn’t get a 4080, I’ll assume you’re value conscious so I’d recommend the 7600X. Otherwise, you can’t go wrong with the 7800X3D.

best mouse for 10 bucks? the microsoft intellimouse I had been using for two decades finally broke

>>102568122
>Things like dragging out windows, scrolling webpages, and moving the cursor feel snappier from having the input lag and look clearer with less motion blur.
Yes this I still cannot believe that people don't even consider this and think it's only gaming
even using a regular 60Hz monitor after being on VRR ones is night and day

Can I use three year old never opened thermal paste? Arctic MX-4

>>102568959
Okay thanks. Yeah the 7600(X) is a good choice. Second option would be a 12600K(F)+DDR4 if you need to make budget or, if you're flush, a 7800X3D. The CPU barely matters for statistical modelling so you're picking it based on gaming performance and value.

>>102567985
AMD GPUs are great under $600 but over that they make no sense due to lack of features. You might get more raw hardware performance but Nvidia just has more features to justify $1,000+ cards.

Why shouldn't I just splurge on some 1000w titanium PSU, knowing that I'm not going to have to buy a new one for a long, long time

>>102569013
If it hasn’t dried out, sure. Worst case you’ll get worse thermals.

>>102569067
Because Titanium is insignificant relative to Gold even though the naming scheme suggests otherwise. 1000W is great. Having a PSU that’s double your max power draw is amazing and not that expensive.

Ryzen is not Radeon

Ryzen is great. Radeon is retards.

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>>102568913
>>102568997
>>102569024

Awesome, thanks guys ill get the 7800X3D,

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>>102569067
>knowing that I'm not going to have to buy a new one for a long, long time
Yeah everyone said that when they went and got ATX 3.0
And now it's looking like they'll have to buy another one since the 5090 will definitely have 2 16-pins

>put system to sleep
>shut off the breaker at the extension cord cause light
>go to sleep and wake up a day later
>remember I hibernated instead of powering it off
>oshit
>turn it on
>pc hangs with no video output with full fans
will windows actually boot in after a while or did I fuck up and have to hard reset the system

>>102569123
>Ryzen is great
*idles at 60w*

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5090 is looking like a 2 gen leap

>>102569051
imaging buying a 1k gpu just to play bad, expensive games

>>102569238
>16gb for the 5080
Bro

>>102569238
>1999$

>>102569238
How will AMDunboxed cope with the 5090 having better perf/$ than the RX8800

>>102569238
>2 gen leap
Could be wishful thinking depending on the environment, as far as RT is concerned.
https://youtu.be/-oUfEHzVt_s

>>102569164
>since the 5090 will definitely have 2 16-pins
I would love to see some 6090 that just has it's own power brick, it'd be really funny to see, but also probably more practical than this bullshit

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>>102569353
>Adored

>>102569301
More like $2500-$3000 street price.

>>102569381
Problem?

>>102569238
>>>>>600 Watts TGP
jesus

>>102569164
is that a usb-c port
wtf

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Jesus tittyfucking christ, this is some some bad CPU optimization
https://imgsli.com/MzAwNDQz
In conversations it's hilarious to see the framerate halve when you go from one character having a close backdrop to the other character having a view behind it
Drawcalls are a bitch, but what the fuck is Fatlus even drawing?

>>102569164
>the 5090 will definitely have 2 16-pins
Doubt it.

>>102569238
>2 gen
Hell no.

>>102569353
>linking amdumbedtv
Did not watch, will not watch

Need advice bros. I now have 3 1080s. I'm selling two. I can get a 2080ti for about $160. Should I do that and then sell my PNY 1080? I only play in 1080p and don't care about gaytracing. Also, what does the 2080ti draw power wise (watts)?

>>102563919
I want to get one of those mini-PC/console form factor things to emulate PS2 and below games on. Sure I could use my desktop and do, but it's fun to have a console box by my TV without other distractions. ChatGPT claims a Ryzen 3-5 is sufficient for PS2 emulation (You only need integrated and not a GPU), and 4-8GB of RAM. What I really want is for it to run cool and not have a really whiny annoying fan, like small form factor things usually have. I asked ChatGPT whether Ryzen 5 would run cooler than the minimum it suggests, which is a Ryzen 3, and it says it might run hotter because they generally true, or it might run cooler if not all cores are utilized because the task is light enough. There has to be some optimum CPU that considers PS2 emulation a light enough task not to peak temps, but doesn't run really hot just by dint of being a powerful CPU. I'm not sure what that middleground is.

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>600W TBP for the 5090
Will pic related be able to run it without being knocked offline by transient spikes?

>>102569412
It came to me in a dream is a better source.

>>102569486
>Did not watch, will not watch
cope + not an argument

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OCTOBER 7 IS THE DATE

>>102569412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FDh9C59Z1A
>Zen 5 Secrets Revealed - it's Gonna Be (Really) Good
At least his attitude and voice are less grating than morons like MLID

>>102569528
It’s for data center presentations.
Just flip through NVIDIA’s investor decks, GeForce is like the very last business presentation.
That’s your place.
https://investor.nvidia.com/events-and-presentations/presentations/default.aspx

GeForce hardware announcements will be prerecorded and streamed during CES.

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>>102569528
>AI Summit

>>102569504
The Focus FX did fix their earlier tripping issues but it does ripple under high transients. Not dangerous but not ideal either. With that said, the 5090 is going to be $2000+ - if you can't afford a TotL ATX3.1 unit to go with it then you can't afford the card.

>>102568875
Anything x3d or 7500 7600 for budget new build.

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Should I be bothered by the fact that the 2x16GB ram I ordered isn't on ASUS's QVL for my mobo?
Also, did I fuck up by getting 3600cl18 instead of 3200cl16 like in OP?

>>102569654
>QVL
aka whatever shit they had lying around they actually bothered to test aka just see if it posts for 2 minutes
pay it no mind

>>102569238
The 5080 looks barely any better than a 4080 and horribly disfigured quadriplegic of what the 5090 is. Like why does it even exist?

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>HDMI up to 144hz
>Display Port up to 165hz
What do they mean by that?
What's going on here? Should I ditch HDMI for display Port from now on?

>>102569715
If you were playing on PC you never should have even bothered with HDMI

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>>102569238
>600W

>>102569715
HDMI has bandwidth issues on high frame rates and resolutions

>>102569715
1440p 165hz monitors can only go up to 144hz over hdmi. Use dp if you don't want to be bottlenecked.

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Vram when!?
Cheap when!?
New computer before WuW3 !

>>102567396
Modern console 'optimization' is just putting everything on low, along with consoles players' expectations.

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Will there ever be a 4k@240hz 42-inch TV? 120 hz is fine, but it's not enough in some cases, and I don't want to go back to monitor sizes.

If I'm deshrouding a GPU, are zip ties enough to tie the new fans or will they melt?

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>>102569486
>Fatlus game is poorly made
Imagine my shock

>>102569504
4000 series' transient spikes are way lower than the 30 series, but 750w is going to be cutting it close for regular max power consumption. I hope you don't plan on pairing it with an intel CPU.

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>>102569941
They shouldn't melt, but I found using heavy-duty & non-sticky double-sided mounting tapes to be better >>102565797

Cut pieces to fit the fan struts
https://www.scotchbrand.com/3M/en_US/p/d/cbgnawus1860/

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He thinks the 9800x3d will cost $450 when people are STILL buying the 7800x3d at that price and AMD has to make up for the 9000 series' pathetic launch sales

>>102564871
>four 5000rpm fans on a 40cm long card with 8 a full copper heatsink + full-length flowthrough
but I guess it'll be dual slot

>>102570139
>implying the FE won't be a shitty blower like all of them

>>102570071
>buying the 7800x3d at that price and AMD has to make up for the 9000 series' pathetic launch sales
AMD ain't ever recovering the sales loss from Zen 5 desktop. It's a throwaway generation from EPYC leftovers. They don't carer if they sell a single consumer chip, and whatever infinitesimal numbers they do sale is pure gravy.

>>102570006
Of course not, I have two of these units. I plan to solely dedicate the second one to a 4090 or 5090.
>>102569636
I was considering going with an ATX 3.1 unit from be Quiet! or someone else in the 850-1000w range but figured I could also try going dual-PSU with what I have. I originally bought these for Vega.

>>102567740
>native tax
wew lad

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you'll be spending a lot

>>102569578
what does this have to do with assessing nvidia's raytracing performance

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>kopite

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Whats a reasonably priced 1440p 240hz monitor I should get?

>>102570376
>slaps a slab of L3 on die
>doesn't need unicorn memory
Problem solved

>>102566341
cooming

>>102570473
MSI MPG 271QRX

>>102569238
How exactly? It looks like it's going to be ~50% faster than a 4090 at best, unless it's clocked at like 4GHz (almost certainly not) or the IPC is WAY better. That's average at best, not even a "good" gen-to-gen perf improvement, let alone a 2 gen leap.

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>>102570525
>900 dollary doos

>>102569599
>GeForce is like the very last business presentation
what are you even looking at

>>102570560
You said reasonably priced. Under $1000 is very reasonable.

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>>102570473
Frogbro, what do you mean 240Hz? That was last decade.
You need a 480Hz OLED monitor to keep up these days.
https://youtu.be/fgnYCo29-Zk?t=11

>>102569504
Probably not, if the card really draws 600W then you've only got 150W left for everything else in the system. That's cutting it very, very close even with an efficient AMD CPU. I'd probably go for a 1000W unit.

>>102569654
>Should I be bothered by the fact that the 2x16GB ram I ordered isn't on ASUS's QVL for my mobo?
No
>Also, did I fuck up by getting 3600cl18 instead of 3200cl16 like in OP?
No, latency should be similar but you get higher memory bandwidth and if you have an AMD CPU you get faster IF which also improves performance a bit.

>>102570581
>woled

>>102570609
What's the problem? You don't buy a new $1000 monitor every 5 years?

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>>102570574
>>102570581
be real

>>102570603
I'm on ryzen 5 5600x and b550 plus motherboard so it should be alright, I guess

>>102570583
He mentioned running dual-PSU with one unit solely dedicated to the GPU.

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tell me why this is actually garbage and a scam

>>102570620
I like my colours to be deep and rich, not just a white subpixel blasting brightness.

>>102570664
>KOORUI
garbage

I expect the 5090 to have a street price of $3000, especially since the 4090 models already get listed for around $2800 in places like Norway, Hungary, and Poland.

>>102570648
Ah, that would almost certainly be fine then.

>>102570621
The specs & features on the ASUS TUF VG27AQML1A look good overall (backlight strobing + variable overdrive), but pricey.
I'd still pick this over the slightly cheaper Gigabtye G27Q-X or MSI alternative.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WQfxFT/asus-tuf-gaming-vg27aqml1a-270-2560-x-1440-260-hz-monitor-tuf-gaming-vg27aqml1a
https://www.asus.com/us/displays-desktops/monitors/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-vg27aqml1a/

But buy that 480Hz monitor, you'd be the coolest frogposter. Think about that.

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>>102570648
>running dual psu
how can you do this
sounds like a molex daisychain housefire waiting to happen

>>102568128
>Radeon users might be able to try Special K's DLL or DXVK if they're not on Linux using DXVK already
I use dxvk for dx9 games in windows on nvidia, and it works better than native dx9, despite nvidia's garbage vulkan driver

>>102568383
>>102568410
sorry chud but it will always be ATI RADEON to me

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>>102570703
>despite nvidia's garbage vulkan driver
You say this but that doesn't make it true

>>102570674
you convinced me

If Blackwell is cheaper to make than Lovelace then NVIDIA is gonna make even more insane margins this gen than on the 4090.

Likewise, the number of kids tapping into their life savings to buy it will also be insane.

>>102570772
>If Blackwell is cheaper to make than Lovelace
What makes you say this? The chips are most likely going to be larger, with a higher defect rate for the wafers.
There's also the GDDR7 premium & better/safer board configuration to factor in.

If kids and young adults have cash money laying around I don't see why they shouldn't spend $3000 on a new GPU, it's the silicon endgame anyway, the world is going to shit, and their boomer parents won't let them invest into gold anyway or shit like house rennovations. It's all gonna get inflated sooner or later.

>>102570886
You'll be saying the same shit next gen.

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>>102570818
Will there ever be a generation that's not any faster but just dramatically cheaper? I don't care if a GPU can run Wukong at 8K 120FPS if it's $3,000. Good high-refresh 4K gaming monitors are now just $400 and getting cheaper by the day while the graphics cards to drive them are going in the opposite direction. PC gaming is becoming completely unviable.

>>102570903
It'll be different this time, the more you buy the more you save.

>>102570481
Too bad amd hates money!

>>102570987
They've done it for the last two generations.

>>102570941
Just turn off RT, retard

i watch a lot of youtube, if i get a 1440p monitor would the 1080p videos look bad on fullscreen?

>>102571100
>>102571100
>>102571100

>>102571087
No

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Does anyone here actually cable manage, or just shove everything into their case snd never look at it again? I'm building a PC in a micro ATX case with no compartments for cables, and I do not look forward to managing everything so nothing hits the fans, idk how sff niggas even do it

>>102570941
You can't compare the GPU market to the monitor market because the competitive landscape is polar opposites.
Samsung and LG Display fully retreated from the unprofitable LCD market, they focus on selling OLED and developing next-gen panel technologies.
The remaining LCD panel manufacturers are Chinese/Taiwanese firms with factories that need to run at a certain operating capacity to break even or earn low-margin income.

That's why you're seeing $400 4K and sub-$200 165Hz 1440p monitors.

GPUs, NVIDIA makes the best chips overall and everyone wants a piece of that action.
TSMC's been raising production fees for about 3 consecutive years by now.
Samsung Semiconductor and SK Hynix completely sold out their HBM3 chip capacity for the next year or so.

You see Jensen going on business trips in Taiwan to meet up with suppliers, they're begging Jensen to cut them a better manufacturing deal.

>>102571156
Cable management is not a meme.
If you're lazy, just make sure the board's audio cable is set away from other cables.
It picks up interference and you'll mistake it for your case having a crappy front panel I/O board.

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>>102571156
I "cable manage" by putting the applicable cables through the cable management holes and then shoving them on the back side of the motherboard tray. If it's a cable from a fan or something that goes straight to the motherboard, then I don't cable manage.

>>102570664
It's a VA mini-LED panel, there are always quirks involved with mini-LED panels.
I think the most common one is variable refresh rate being disabled with local dimming/HDR on.

Read plenty of owner reviews before you buy a miniLED monitor.

Why frame gen reduces your gpu utilization, but increases gpu clock?

Without it my gpu usage and clock on cyberpunk are 90%/2.000, and with frame gen its 40%/2.550 (max clock)

>>102570732
now benchmark a game which has both a vulkan, dx11, and dx12 renderer and see which one nvidia cards universally perform the worst in

>>102563919
Don't really care about the general. Just came to say I appreciate you posting this semen demon lily, she's really hot.

But while I'm here. I have a 6700 xt on a 1440p monitor, it's plays all my other games on maxed out settings except for fortnite. I have to scale back some stuff to even get 50 fps and have the game look pretty.

>>102571824
thank you, i think i will proceed to buy a 1440p monitor then

/g/ sirs kindly offer congratulation

how long does amazon take to process refunds in your experience after the package has been delivered back to them? I ordered a monitor, it was damaged in shipping and I sent it back. I worry that they won't refund me in full since it's damaged