>CPUs are either barely improving or committing sudoku
>GPUs just keep getting worse in value over time
>Motherboards are just the same chipset rebadged at a higher price minus useful features like PWR/Reset Buttons and POST Code Debug LEDs
>Cases are all exotic materials or fish tanks with little air cooling and no storage capacity or features like removable motherboard trays
Am I alone in finding monitors to be the only genuinely exciting part of PC hardware anymore?

How retarded would it be to use power cable extension for the gpu for better cable magement?

>>102571331
Monitors happen to be the most competitive market, including OLED monitors.

>>102571372
Unless you THOROUGHLY research those extension and how they play with your PSU & GPU I wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole.

Recommend me a gaming monitor for maximum immersion please bromingos. I've been recommended an lg ultragear 27gr93u, i looked at the samsung odyssey g7 28" ls28bg700epxxu and lg uktragear 27gs95qe 27", my budget is 500 to 800 gbp.

>>102571372
Like the other anon said, make complete sure any power cable extension is explicitly stated to be compatible with your PSU, PSU cable pinouts are not standard so they're all different, and using the wrong cable will fry your graphics card. If your cable can reach your GPU fine I just wouldn't bother

>>102571372
It's nowhere near as bad as mix and matching PSU cables but it's still a purely aesthetic thing that could cause issues so it's not really worth it.

>>102571439
>Recommend me a gaming monitor for maximum immersion please bromingos. I've been recommended an lg ultragear 27gr93u, i looked at the samsung odyssey g7 28" ls28bg700epxxu and lg uktragear 27gs95qe 27", my budget is 500 to 800 gbp.
That budget's OLED money, and for immersion if you can afford an OLED you get an OLED which means you can safely ignore the first LG & Samsung LCDs.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&sort=price&page=1

In your market I'd pickup the Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q3 for ~£700 which is the cheapest 1440p QD-OLED:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JnV2FT/gigabyte-aorus-fo27q3-270-2560-x-1440-360-hz-monitor-fo27q3
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fo27q3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je2WdeqaHto

As long as you can control your ambient lighting with a shade/curtains on nearby windows QD-OLED is superior to WOLED panels in terms of color gamut and volume, as well as general uniformity. Also the picture depth, sharpness, and lushness is dramatically improved by the semi-gloss coating while WOLED are generally matte-finish that impart a haze to the picture.

After reading recommendations from here and checking out sound tests, I boughted 3 Noctua NF A12x25's for a total of around $100

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Jensen won (me) with the upsell tactics. RTX 50 series: a repeat of the 40 series where the top gets improvements, and the bottom gets stagnation.
(not too big of a reach to assume the following)
5070: GB205. 50 SM, 192-bit
5060 Ti: GB206, 36 SM, 128-bit
5060: GB207, 24 SM, 128-bit

>>102571608
Why not Arctic P12s man

>>102571729
Too noisy

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I only buy AMD GPUs

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>>102571659
NVIDIA doesn't want to serve poor people anymore.
All the chips below the top X02 die are designed to be compact and power-efficient enough to be sold as laptop GPUs.
That's why the 5080's getting a modest improvement in SM, GB203's going to be the 5090 laptop chip.

>>102570732
now benchmark a game which has both a vulkan, dx11, and dx12 renderer and see which one nvidia cards universally perform the worst in - it's vulkan. I'm not saying it's nvidia's fault that their vulkan driver is not as good as their dx11 or dx12 drivers, vulkan used to be AMD's API after all, but it's still what nvidia does the worst at

do I buy a 2tb nvme or wait until black friday?
I have a 500gb right now

>>102571800
Don't expect major discounts, I'd get the Hynix P41 @ $135 on Amazon atm.
Prices aren't going to get much better because NAND memory manufacturers are done selling their chips at a loss.

>>102571823
any particular reason to get that over WD black for cheaper?

>>102571457
Pinouts are only different on the PSU itself, genius. The chinamen who make extension cables never specify compatibility with any particular PSU because all they do is extend the cables that came with your PSU.

>>102571795
GB202 is shaping up to be a 800 mm^2 monster chip

>>102571943
When was the last time NVIDIA gave their best on desktop? They've been sandbagging since GM200 and reserve the top chip for the datacenter.

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usecase for gpu that costs more than $200?

I'm not capable of building a PC that doesn't stutter in games, so my plan is to pay someone to build and set up a PC for me and record videos of certain games running with a frametime overlay so I can be sure that they don't stutter before buying it. I would be willing to pay up to $6k. Where would I go about doing that?

>>102572439
looking at slightly better looking video game asses.
you can still play any modern title with a gtx1080 ti. even a normal gtx1080 will suffice.

is an RTX 3060 and a Ryzen 5 2600 good enough for MH Wilds?

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Anyone with the LG 34GS95QE? thoughts on it

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Just assembled my PC, audio isn't working at all. Picrel(sorry for phone pic) is all that shows up when troubleshooting. Don't have an HDMI connected so not sure why that's there. Tried drivers, bios update reseating hd audio and no luck. Any advice appreciated

>>102572552
A 4070 super and 9700x won't be enough for wilds lol

>>102572835
>winblows
thats the issue. install gentoo.

>>102572835
What motherboard, there is a speaker connected to anything?

>>102572988
B650e Riptide PG wifi. I have headphones plugged in which aren't being detected. Also a USB microphone which was detected. No other audio devices. The Mobo very annoyingly is refurbished from Amazon which I swear wasn't the case while buying but returning wasn't an option.

>>102573031
Did you install the drivers from the webpage?
Try https://download.asrock.com/Drivers/Audio/Realtek(v9381.1_UAD_WHQL_Nahimic).zip

>>102573053

No luck. I did install a similar driver but not from that link. No difference from before
Thanks for trying

Is AMD crossfire still a thing? I thought using multiple graphics cards was completely dead, but my am5 mobo manual mentions crossfire compatibility

>>102573322
>my am5 mobo manual mentions crossfire compatibility
radeon delusions as usual

>>102572835
Just to rule out a hardware issue, try booting from a Linux live image and see if you get any audio there.

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is a curved monitor bait or pogchamp?

>>102573322
>>102573329
AMD's most popular GPU is still the RX 580, which supports crossfire. nothing after the 590 supports it as far as i know

I was thinking about picking up a 4070 super, but then I thought about the 12GB VRAM and am now thinking about a 4070 super ti since it has 16GB.
And I'll have this card be the one I sit on for half a decade or more.

Someone tell me how stupid I am for doing this.

>>102573415
curved ultrawides make sense I guess but my preference is still for multiple distinct displays
curved 16:9 displays are retard bait

I havent really bothered looking at shit but I need to upgrade my gpu its starting to show age
did nvidia fix shit the 4000series issues with the ti line?

>>102573430
very stupid all that 40 series crap will be on sale very soon

I can get a 970 EVO m.2 for real cheap. Is it too old to be used for my OS? I currently use a 990 Pro but would like to switch to one OS drive and then use the 990 for storage.

>>102573498
Well it's a good thing I'm waiting and haven't bought yet.

RTX 50 release date when?!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CmsPt7
Will this work for PC games at 1440p and general office work? I'm working with a $800 budget in the US, not including tax for now. I'm not expecting to buy a monitor if it's for increasing visual quality. If the computer can run smoothly without overheating or part failure I'd be satisfied.

>5090 confirmed 600w with 32gb
>5080 confirmed 450w with 16gb
it hurts being right all the time
reminder that
>5070 will be 12gb GDDR7
>5060 8gb GDDR7
>5050 8gb GDDR6

>>102573641
But 5080 is 400W and realistically sub-350W on average when gaming

>>102573521
use the fastest drive (the 990) for boot, chances are the 970 evo isn't cheaper than a cheap pcie 4.0 drive, neither have dram.

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Why can't AMD appeal to gamers? I can understand Nvidia dominating the professional industry, but Nvidia only has those gimmicks nobody cares about. However, gamers still widely prefer Nvidia. CPU wise, we went from Intel being the obvious choice to amd being the obvious choice with Ryzen, why can't they do the same with their GPUs?

>>102573693
>but Nvidia only has those gimmicks nobody cares about.
I mean regarding games btw

>>102573641
I hope nobody expects better price/performance either since blackwell will be on the same TSMC process. To get any generational uplift, they're going to have to all be bigger and more expensive dies.

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>>102573549
>smoothly
>radeon

>>102573693
For me its honestly about familiarity. I've been using Nvidia for years, I still have my GTX 470, that shits like close to 14 years old. I've always had a good experience with them and I see no reason to potentially waste money by swapping to another brand. I'm sure there are far more technical people here who can tell you actual hard science reasons why one is better than the other but for me it's just about simplicity

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>>102573693
>nobody cares about

Should I make the jump to Windows 11 or keep using Windows 10? My new rig can handle it but I hear a lot of complaints about it.

How gimped will a GPU be if it's running in a 4x pcie slot?

>>102571867
2TB WD_Black SN850X isn't cheaper in the US ($139.99) and they're slightly worse.
If you're talking about SN770, it's less than a $20 difference for a superior drive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/benchmarks/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/benchmarks/western-digital-black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4KRYcf/benchmarks/western-digital-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e

>>102573748
go on 11 if you want worse performance than 10

>>102573734
Sorry your monkeycoded slop runs terribly and needs cheat technologies.

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>>102573801
VRAM didn't save you

>posts picture of monkeycoded slop

>>102573693
DLSS isn't a meme.
It was originally developed to realize 4K gaming sooner than native rendering, but the performance and qol benefit are generally worth the trade-off (some noticeable shimmering/imperfections) even at 1440p.
DLSS helps run games at a higher FPS while drawing less GPU power, keeping cards cooler & quieter.

We're way past discussing whether RT is or isn't a gimmick.
Console game devs are embracing it at this pt and you'll see RT enhancements and maybe even DLSS on the Switch 2, which will use an SoC with Ampere (RTX 30 series) GPU.

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>>102573827
Still waiting on the VRAM to save you

>slop on slop engine
yes?

I refuse to ever buy an AMD card because no 1080p card should ever require two fucking 8 pin connectors

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>>102573853
>creation engine
>unreal engine 5
>latest crytech
Your VRAM turned out to be worthless

>>102573392
It's late and I'm not sure how to do this but will report back when I do.

Should I chance it with DDR5 7200CL34 for Arrow Lake?
Thinking of buying some parts earlier to get ahead of the new build rush when Arrow Lake launches

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Why didn't Intel just reuse the LGA2011 socket for 12-15th gen CPU?
>Keeps compatibility with existing coolers
>Mind boggling amount of pins for future proofing
>Manufacturers already had production lines and tooling for it

>>102573858
their 1080p cards have single 8pin connectors

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>xhey thinks i have amd card

>>102571100
>WOLED

No thanks

>>102573893
Because now you are forced to buy another mobo and ram

>>102573898
Rx 7600 XT has two

>>102573477
>did nvidia fix shit the 4000series issues with the ti line?
Only a relatively minor price/performance correction on the Super cards, maybe a 4070 Super is worth buying.
I'd be hesitant to buy anything better this late in the product cycle.

I'd just buy the regular RTX 4070 that's being discounted to $530 atm if you're in the US (MSI Gaming Slim model).
https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GPU/RTX-4070/GeForce-RTX-4070-GAMING-SLIM-12G

The Supers cost at least $60 more.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HCkH99/gigabyte-windforce-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-gv-n407swf3oc-12gd
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtbRsY/asus-dual-evo-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-dual-rtx4070s-o12g-evo
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JJZXsY/msi-gaming-x-slim-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-rtx-4070-super-12g-gaming-x-slim

>>102573887
I'd just check the on-board audio cable routing and see if a BIOS setting is interfering with it.

>>102573477
Buy a 4070 Super over the 4070 Ti for the extra VRAM. Performance is almost the same.

>>102573934
To add, gayms are just using more and more VRAM. 12 GB was barely enough for RT and junk. The Ti still has great performance, but again, 12 GB of VRAM.

>>102573890
if you have the money to pay for it then go for it, worst case scenario you will have to tune it manually

>>102573917
it shouldn't, its a 200W card, seems like you're blaming AMD for their partners putting two 8pins on their boards.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600-xt.c4190

>>102573893
No clue.

>>102573961
>200W
>same wattage as rtx 4070
When AMD can into efficiency I'll buy one of their cards

>>102573995
no you wouldn't, RDNA2 was more efficient than Ampere.

>>102573477
>>102573945
Seconding this I got the 4070ti Super and its great

>>102574016
>AMD on TSMC could only match Nvidia on Samsung 8nm
AMD can't into efficiency

>>102574016
Because it was on a better node with smaller dies, TSMC 7nm vs. Samsung's fake 8nm (8LPU, refined 10nm).
RDNA2 was supposed to be more power efficient.

>>102574104
>Nvidia on N4 is barely more efficient than a MCM N5 GPU

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>>102574134
Not in the real world sweetie.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/40.html
That's under gaming load btw. Idle, multimonitor, and media playback power efficiency is all in favor of Ada Lovelace chips.

>>102574159
>barely more efficient on a superior node

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>>102574179
5nm GCD vs custom 5nm GPU (fake 4nm).
Not NVIDIA's problem TSMC's willing to move heaven and earth for them.

shills really be arguing about anything huh

>>102574203
>barely more efficient on a superior node

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>>102574219
7900XTX's competitor is the 4080/Super.

>>102574239
>barely more efficient on a superior node

>>102574248
7900XTX needs to be OC'd and draw about 30% more power to match the stock 4090's raster performance.

Which 4TB SSD should I get for holding all my reaction images?

>>102574281
it has 20 billion (with a B) fewer transistors on a smaller die, no fucking shit it has to be overclocked to hell to match the 4090

>>102574316
If you're in the US, one of Samsung 990 Pro, Crucial T700, SN850X, or P3 Plus.

>>102574333
Again, not NVIDIA's fault they were more ambitious than Radeon that prioritized using the smallest possible 5nm dies.

>>102574281
except in call of duty haha

>>102574400
>>102573853

>5090 - 21k cores 600w
>5080 - 10k cores 400w
Congratulations, $3k 5090 $1.4k 5080 is real.

>>102573919
>>102573945
>>102574039
forgot to mention ill be upgrading from a 1070
>4070 super
>4070 ti
>600+
kek no thanks maybe if they drop around 450 on blackfriday or some shit. figured by now they would have actually dropped in price

>>102574417
they're in denial about that part

>>102574442
get the 8800XT

>>102574442
You're not going to get much of a better GeForce deal than that $530 4070 throughout this entire year.
NVIDIA cards don't go significantly under MSRP.
You'll need to look at a 7900 GRE or 7800XT if you're searching for a better (raster) value.

>>102573693
Gamers don’t want to tinker with drivers

>>102574442
I'm in the same boat man, I won't buy anything for more than $600
>>102574465
if we're lucky and AMD prices it aggressively, if we're unlucky they'll just say, look, it beats the 7900xt, so therefore it should be $700 :)

>>102574507
somebody should tell nshartia this because I have to tinker in nvidia inspector to make MSAA work and use dxvk to make anisotropic filtering work, because forcing AF in dx9 has been broken in nvidia drivers for almost half a decade now

>>102574507
you don't have to tinker with drivers since 2017 though
>>102573693
brand whore effect, for AMD to win mind share they msut do what they did to Intel and that is not possible without full blown MCM and cards twice as cheap at same performance. Hyun said they are finally aiming for that strategy, but a little too late, I remember people wre excited at firt about 7900s because they wre cheaper, but then Supers came out and they weren't cheap enough for the difference.

These two Radeon cards are the RTX 4070/Super raster alternatives in the US.
There are cheaper models, but it's not worth the minuscule savings. Red Devil is the PowerColor's high-end SKU as well.
You're not going to see much of a discount from the current price.
AMD's gaming divisions already not making enough money as it is.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCvD4D/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx7800xt-16g-foc
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ncyH99/powercolor-red-devil-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-eoc

>>102574512
>it beats the 7900xt, so therefore it should be $700
this is exactly what is going to happen if they even have a chip fast enough, I have doubts 8800XT even exists, I'll take 60CU 7700XT for $500 though

>>102574417
The most obvious SUPER Refresh Baiting I've yet seen from Jensen if true. Like only morons would would the 5080 and below.

>>102574566
do not buy video cards at the end of a generations.

>>102574512
>>102574576
If the 8800XT performance & overall feature set are competitive, a $700 price isn't that outlandish.
They need healthy margins to develop better products.

My gainward 3080 hits 100 to 104.9C on the hotspot under load. The GPU temp is around 74C, so +30C on the hotspot. I understand it should be within 10 to 15C instead, and that 105C results in thermal throttling.
It's still within warranty for five months, but I need to send it back to the retail store to RMA.
Question is, what is the likelyhood that these scumbags will say it's running within specifications, then send it back to me? Is it even worth the headache?

>>102574626
>They need healthy margins to develop better products.
they need to sell cards first to exist at all.

>>102574602
New mid-range cards won't be announced for a while, even RDNA4 SKUs.
Remember AMD took their sweet time releasing the 7800XT, Sep. '23 vs. Apr. '23 4070 release.
These guys help their channel partners clear existing stocks as much as possible.

>>102571100
Dissapointing. I thought this card would be on a 7900XT level but if these are the specs (specs actually make sense if you look at the other x8xx cards) then my previous assesment of the 8800XT is wrong. It might only be 7900GRE level at best. Should I buy the 7900XTX before it goes up in price? Man I waited two fucking years for this bullshit. I still refuse to buy Nvidia.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-8800-xt.c4229

>>102574627
>It's still within warranty for five months
How handy are you with a screwdriver? I'd buy a thermal putty(upsiren is good, just checkout a gudie how to do it on youtue it's not that intuitive) and PTM7950 for repaste. it will fix your issue, RMA will take a few weeks at best several months at worst with random results

>>102574640
AMD didn't announce mid-tier RDNA3 cards until enough RDNA2 cards sold through.
Both AMD and NVIDIA are good at this waiting game.

>>102574675
AMD keeps saying RDNA4 Q4 for 4 investor calls in a row. They will launch it right after PS5 Pro like they usually do.

>>102574602
this is not really the end of a generation, blackwell is going to be on the same process as ada and RDNA 4 is on only a slightly better process than RDNA 3. this is going to be a generational refresh at best. it'll be like another 2 years before we get actual generational improvement on TSMC 3nm

>>102574696
are you not following the news? AMD changed strategy, no more xx90 killers for a while. They are also combining RDNA and CDNA by 2026 which is a good thing.

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>>102574711
>AMD keeps saying RDNA4 Q4 for 4 investor calls in a row.
No. They'll wait until enough cards sell through, this isn't their first rodeo.

>>102574730
AMD's won't rush new card releases.
Their gaming division can't afford to lose sales on existing cards.

>>102574627
Just say it crashes under load and pray that they upgrade you to a 4070ti or better

>>102574626
>If the 8800XT performance & overall feature set are competitive, a $700 price isn't that outlandish.
The 20GB 7900 XT has already been widely available for $700 new since June and is now down to $680:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7dN
If the technically weaker new GPU isn't offering a substantive improvement over the street pricing of their own current offerings it's DOA just like Zen 5.

>>102574690
worth noting that some leaks say that the top RDNA4 SKU will have 4096 shader units, not 3584

>>102574723
>we get actual generational improvement on TSMC 3nm
my bet on 2nm by 2026, that is true, but also did you check the docs? things are changing a little, both sides implementing some interesting stuff there
looks like nvidia not so much considering 10k cores draw 400w.

>>102574734
>>102574760
how do you expect them to wait out cards that DO NOT SELL?

>>102574333
the fucking nerve to use the 7900 xt and 7900 xtx brandong without even having a big chip this gen

>>102574791
AMD Radeon has form when it comes to releasing new cards that are inferior/mediocre to their past generation SKUs.
See 7700XT vs 6800, 7800XT vs 6800XT, 7600 vs. 6600XT
Discounted 6900/XT also being a thorn for the 7900XT.
All happen to be mostly entry/midrange cards too.

>>102574794
Unlikely it has 64CUs. x8xx tier cards go down in CUs not up. Less CUs is the trend.

>>102574818
They've done it before with the remaining RDNA2 card, they'll do it again.

>>102574794
7800XT is 3840. the thing is, we don't know what they can do yet, because PS5 Pro having as many units as 7800XT is weird.

>>102574842
Why is it weird?

>>102574838
6700 and 6800s sold pretty well compared to current situation. They need something right this moment if they even want to stay in the dGPU market. First time in decade they can launch before Nvidia with a big lead. Your fridge seller by the book marketing strategy will make things even worse when nvidia launches 5070 by summer. If Hyun to be believed they are changing to a more aggressive approach, but mysterious are the corporate ways.

>>102574891
Because they have to print CPU and GPU in one 350mm2 chip under certain TDP threshold.
Under normal circumstance yields of such a thing would be bad. it's either AMD can fit more CUs per mm2 and not blow up or Sony eating the loses which I doubt.

>>102574894
The 5070 will be faster than the 8800XT by 5%

>>102574838
Then AMD deserves the marketshare loss they've suffered in the past year and worse. Controlled opposition.

>>102574832
I know, it's why for the longest time I kept recommending used 6900 XTs & 6800 XTs to builders here because RDNA3 was uncompetitive. AMD could avoid that with RDNA4 if they cared.

The 8800 XT will have 4GB less VRAM and presumably be a smaller die than Navi 31 XT, so it would not KILL them to actually leverage the BOM costs savings on a new generation that should at least equal or come close to beating what they are replacing performance-wise at a lower real price for once.

>>102574894
Not a single new & reliable spec/packaging/cooler/performance leak related to RDNA4 cards, when some of you think it's a Q4 launch product.
AMD's not writing off the existing stock of RDNA3 cards, they literally can't afford it.
Xbox & Playstation APU orders have declined to cover that kind of loss.

All they need to do is to release their RDNA4 cards before RTX 5070, they're not even competing against the -80 series cards anymore.

>>102574937
yeah, that's enough to put 8800XT sales to ZERO
it's not about performance numbers, it's about what people think. Beating Apple of PC can't be done without taking loses at first.

>>102574935
I guess it's clear now why the PS5P is so expensive. It's die is humongous.

>>102574983
Normal PS5 is 310mm2, it's not much bigger.

>>102574971
Yes it is and AMD having more VRAM won't change that fact. This has been proven time and time and again. The 5070 also will have superior RT. It's a no contest. AMD will have to sell the 8800XT at a significant discount and they won't do that.

>>102574960
>AMD's not writing off the existing stock of RDNA3 cards
oh nooo, how will they survive throwing away all those vega cards

>>102575010
This. RDNA is just Vega with some cache added to it.

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Is the FD North the best example of a aesthetically pleasing minimalist style case with no visible logo and decent thermals?
What are good alternatives?

>>102575010
There are execs & managers responsible for these business units, it's against their self-interest to make decisions that reduce sales of existing RDNA3 cards.
They don't have Sony & MS padding the gaming division books this time.

I hope that sooner or later Capcom releases a benchmark tool for Monster Hunter Wilds like the Wu Long devs did. There's no way that a 2070 Super would require frame gen and upscaling at 1080p just to achieve 60fps, even with the issues in other open world RE Engine games like Dragon's Dogma 2.

>>102575061
They should have thought about that 3 years ago when they decided the price strategy for RDNA 3

>>102575083
They got the early adopting suckers to pay the ASP.
The next 2~3 quarters will be the sustainable bottom pricing, MCM packaging sets a higher price floor though, see the 7700XT's price trend.

>>102575061
If RDNA4 was going to be an awesome uplift in performance as originally envisioned that would let them compete with the 5080/5090 that'd be a coherent strategy. However if the performance is only marginal above-RDNA3-replacement and they price it to rot on shelves in order to clear out RDNA3 stock they're going to find a lack of sales for BOTH.

>>102574971
Ignore my first reply, I thought it said that it wasn't enough to put the 8800XT sales to zero. Yes it is, the 8800XT is DOA if it doesn't have a significant discount over the 5070.

Help bros, is it possible to plug a 4080S to my MSI A750GF?
It looks like it doesn't have the 12VHPWR connector but pcpartpicker doesn't say anything when I pair them together as if they were compatible.

>>102575114
>MCM packaging sets a higher price floor though, see the 7700XT's price trend.
Chiplets, when will they learn?

>>102575127
That's why AMD's going to wait as long as they can, to clear more RDNA3 stock.
They just have to stay ahead, or even close to, the 5070 release.

>>102575149
It's fine for CPUs tho

why does AMD even bother with non X3D CPUs anymore

>>102575150
No, they have to release before the 5070 if they want the 8800XT to move at all. AMD said they want marketshare and the only way for that is to release early and make the old cards cheaper. That might gain them some marketshare.

>>102575144
>It looks like it doesn't have the 12VHPWR connector but pcpartpicker doesn't say anything when I pair them together as if they were compatible.
No worries. The 4080S will come with a 16-pin power adapter for the 12VHPWR to 2x6+2-pin PCIe power cables that your PSU already has.
https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A750GF/Specification
None of the OEMs are stupid enough to sell a GPU that 85%+ of buyers couldn't plug into their existing PSUs.

>>102575189
AMD can do the same old pricing strategy if they truly make a competitive card.
5070’s only expected to be a 205 chip anyway.

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>>102575144
The graphics card comes with an adapter
Make sure you have enough 8-pin connectors

>>102574954
>actually leverage the BOM costs savings
Almost no chance AMD releases RX 8000 at an actually good price. Its MSRPs are always delusional

>>102574627
Undervolt

>>102574134
>being this amdelusional
Throw in DLSS and RT and the difference is fucking huge. If you measure efficiency against RT, a 200W 4070 is as efficient as a 350W 7900 XTX

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>>102574134
Oh yeah, and let's not forget about situations where the card isn't pegged to 100% usage

>>102575174
Stratification
Also an R5 for under $200 is a good option for most people if an R7 X3D costs 75-125% more

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>>102575222
Check the trend of the xx7x cards performance. The 5070 should be around 3090 performance and the 8800XT around 7900GRE but the 5070 has significant better RT. In fact, I think Nvidia will
significantly widen the gap in RT performance from AMD. RDNA4 RT should not improve much.

>>102573732
>still have my GTX 470
Based. Still have my GTX 260.

>>102575258
why is AMD so bad at graphics cards?

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>>102575282
>I think Nvidia will significantly widen the gap in RT performance
Even at comparable rasterization performance? Seems that PS5 Pro devs are adding more RT features into their games, more than the 45% improvement in GPU alone would suggest. I'm not expecting a miracle from RX 8000, but I would have thought the gap closes slightly, e.g., the 8800 XT has 4080 Super raster and 4070 Ti RT, up from the 7900 XTX having 4080 Super raster and 4070 RT. Or do you expect Nvidia has some additional RT improvements up its sleeve as well?

does anyone notice how it's always nvidia pushing the envelope on new technologies while AMD and their sycophants drag their heels and deride progress before begrudgingly admitting Nvidia was right all along while also callling Nvidia "scummy" for being better at new tech than AMD?

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>>102573898
What about a 8pin and 6pin?

>>102575324
Nvidia is on the cusp of their RT outperforming raster

>>102575204
>>102575240

Thanks for the answers anons

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>>102575340
That might be, but raster is at diminishing returns anyway. Leaves more low hanging fruit for RTG to get its RT up to speed relative to raster

>>102575313
Reflections are not that intensive compared to Global illumination. Are the GI also Raytraced? I doubt it. If the 8800XT has 7900GRE raster I pretty much doubt it can have 7900XTX level RT. IT can't even match the 7900XT.

>>102575330
how quickly we forget that low-level APIs were pioneered by AMD in Mantle, and the combination of this + async compute in Doom 2016 is what woke nvidia up to just how far behind they were in features

>>102574417
$1000 lower-midrange anons, I don't feel so good..

>>102575340
>>102575375
I assume RDNA5 will have better RT than Blackwell considering its going to be releasing a year later.
RDNA4 seems to be the same as RDNA3 as far as RT is equal or slightly worse than the former Nvidia gen.
if AMD doesn't release a halo product with RDNA5, UDNA 1 is probably going to have a 90 class competitor again.

What does /pcbg/ think about Micro Centers Inland brand SSDs or Neweggs Team Group SSDs?

>>102575518
I should be more specific, SATA versions specifically.

>>102575493
Following your line of reasoning, RDNA5 would have RTX 4090 RT perf at best (previous gen high end), and the RTX 5090 will dwarf the 4090 in demanding PT. Also there's no guarantee that RDNA5 will launch at the same time as the RTX 50 Super refresh: in fact the latest (unreliable) rumors say that RDNA5 will have the same launch period as RTX 60

>>102575518
>>102575541
As long as the price is good for the capacity. SSDs are basically commodities at this point with only a couple of actual NAND producers and controller manufactures in the world and everyone else just mixes-and-matches them and slaps a badge on the end product and calls it a day.

>>102575565
no I am saying that AMD will match or exceed Blackwell with RDNA5 because its going to be a year after Blackwell.
RDNA4 assumedly already almost catches up to Lovelace. You are correct that AMD wont have a card with 4090 tier RT until RDNA5.

>>102575340
That's just stupid raster cannot be outperformed.

Explain to me why I should spend $300 on a GPU when an Xbox One S costs the exact same

Does he do it for free?

>>102575174
V-cache harms thermals and thus reduces boosto.
Maybe when TSMC figures out how to lay down the cache first with the CCD on top they will add it to every SKU.

>>102575493
RDNA5 is very likely to have a 7900XTX successor.

What are the downsides of PC building

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>>102575565
>the latest (unreliable) rumors say that RDNA5 will have the same launch period as RTX 60
RDNA5 will be out roughly in early 2026 which will be in time for the 50 series refresh.

>>102575644
yeah I hope so, the RDNA4 high end looked awesome but maybe they've just decided to stay in the low-mid range until UDNA is what I'm worried about.

>>102571795
>NVIDIA doesn't want to serve poor people anymore.

CEO literally stated that he serves every AI company in the world lol

>>102575628
he is a hohol so probably paid by our taxes.

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>Estimated delivery
>Friday, September 27 by End of Day
>nice
>login again later
>Estimated delivery
>Monday, September 30 by End of Day

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>>102571100
should I buy an 7800 XT for 460€ or a 4070 Super for 600€

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I thought 32GB of RAM would be enough for compiling on 12 cores but now I realize I fucked up.
Is it worth getting an extra 2 sticks of RAM, or is the latency hit in gaming going to be so bad that it isn't worth it?

>>102576420
Ryzen 7900x3D system btw. Not pootel.

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>>102576380
The 7800 XT isn't a performance match for the 4070S but may be fine if you don't play only AAA maxxed titles. If you are considering the 4070S what is an equivalent 7900 GRE going for locally to you?

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-to-pcie-5-0-interface-displayport-2-1a-uhbr20-and-a-single-12x-2x6-power-connector

NVIDIA WAITCHADS WON

>>102576432
GREs are 590€

>>102576427
>>102576420
Like you are literally running out of system ram and paging to your SSD?
Then More RAM > Slower RAM, period. With a bit of manual tinkering you may not even lose any speed with 4 dimms but even if you do it probably won't be as slow as base JEDEC defaults and also since you have an X3D chip, the extra VCache kind of inoculates you from the slower ram performance penalty in games.

>>102576451
>590€
Man....I don't think saving 10€ with the 7900GRE over the 4070S would be worth the loss of RT performance and other Nvidia features in terms of the total package. I think it boils down to how much you value the 140€ savings the 7800 XT gives you. I think that's an acceptable discount for the lower performance from the 4070S but you should probably check benchmarks for your specific most played/want-to-play titles @ your resolution and make sure it gives you the acceptable performance you'd be happy with. Sorry I can't be more definitive, but hope it helps.

>>102576454
I regularly end up using over 31GB of RAM out of my 32GB, yes. I'm using zswap too, but still end up paging 10-25GB to the SSD.
Wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for everything freezing while it does this.
I probably should upgrade my SSD at some point too, it's some ancient, slow 2020 nVME SSD.

>>102574690
Are those specs reliable? I hope not because if so it means they keep cutting down the number of cores which ends up making the new card look barely better than the previous one. This happened for the 7800XT which is barely better than the 6800XT and there was even some outrage for the naming, although it was cheaper. It's just so fucking stupid.

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>>102576443
>Full UHBR20 Support
FUCKING. FINALLY.
Now full 10-bit 4K@240Hz without DSC can be a reality.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/dsc_bandwidths_2.jpg
Any word on if RDNA4 will have such support (their Radeon PRO cards already did but consumer cards were limited to UHBR 13.5 on RDNA3 IIRC)

>>102576427
Running 4 sticks of DDR5 will severely limit your top speed. Think 4800-5200. Of course "enough RAM" at 4800 is far better than "not enough" at 6000 so it's still an easy choice assuming you actually are running OOM. Personally I would buy a 2*32GB kit and sell your current one. You'll take a bit of a hit on the total but obviously you're not broke so it's a reasonable trade to keep the high speed.

>>102576558
I run at 6400mhz 1:1:1 ratio. Top clock speeds are slightly lower than I can get with the sticks running at 6000mhz, but in games the 1% lows are noticeably higher.
I'm honestly wondering if it might just be worth getting a fast SSD. I can deal with stuttering, just not seconds of complete freezing.
I really don't want to give up any more performance in gaming.

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>>102576556
POODNA3 scammed faggots that didn't understand what UHBR13.5 means, lolmao

>>102576501
I have been trying to decide for a while now and looked at lots of comparisons. I will probably end up going with the 4070S because nu-devs are forcing you to use upscaling now, and FSR seems kind of bad.
Maybe I will wait until October 10th for the FSR4 announcement.
Thanks for your input.

>lastest cpu/gpu
>fastest ram
>dlss fsr dlaa whatever the fuck
>cant get stable 120+ frames
>ancient cpu/gpu
>ddr4
>60fps lock
>lossless scaling
>stable 180+
whats the point of everything

>>102576576
I don't think a faster SSD will solve the problem - we're talking order-of-magnitude difference in latency and bandwidth between RAM and even top tier NAND drives. Maybe Optane/Xpoint? If you can find one.
You'll have to be prepared to compromise somewhere. Maybe you'll get lucky and get a 64GB kit that'll hit 6400 stable but it's unlikely the IMC will cope with that in dual rank.

>>102576637
Yeah I know it won't solve the issue, but I am not compiling shit constantly, so I can deal with my PC stuttering a bit while doing big compiles.
That's the compromise, I go from having my computer freeze for 10+ seconds while doing big compiles to only stuttering a bit while it moves those pages to the SSD.
I'm just worried that the random r/w differences will still be so absurdly different that it won't matter, even with high end Gen 5 SSDs.

>>102571100
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/NeuRomanticist/saved/2s938d

Poor gormless idiot here, humbly petitioning for /g/uidance. I've got a decent picture of what I want to use my build for, but only the vaguest idea of what I'll need to assemble it.

>USE: general purpose (including internet), personal data storage, watching movies, listening to music, gaming (including high-end and emulation)
>BUDGET: $3500 or thereabouts, less once you take away the cost of the monitor
>COUNTRY: USA

>CPU
>AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
obviously a R7 7800X3D would be recommended, but is it worth upgrading to a 7900X if I'm not going to be doing much (if any) workstation-type stuff?

>COOLER
>Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO 69
at what point does something like a Phantom Spirit (or variant thereof) become necessary?

>MOTHERBOARD
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2
Honestly don't know what I should be considering here. Previous thread's OP recommended the ASRock, but for all I know they were full of it.

>RAM
>Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory
Previous threads have said to consider 2x32GB for workstation or high-end gaming builds.

>SSD
>OS: Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB
>data: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB
What capacity does an OS drive need to be, assuming I'm going with Windows 10?

>GPU
>Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB
I assume an RTX 4090 would be overkill for my purposes?

>CASE
>Lian Li Lancool III
Still not sure about this one. Plenty of room for future upgrades, though, and more space means less chance of me screwing up the cable arrangements.

>PSU
>SeaSonic PRIME TX-1600 ATX 3.0

>CASE FANS
>ARCTIC P14 Max 95 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack
Again, unsure whether these are necessary.

>>102576659
>I'm just worried that the random r/w differences will still be so absurdly different that it won't matter, even with high end Gen 5 SSDs.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Gen5 drives aren't /that/ much faster than earlier models in terms of IOPS. They're obviously better, and should help a bit, but paging is still going to stutter the system.
Of course, as you say, that's a fine compromise to make if you insist on keeping the RAM OC. It's not what I'd do but I can understand your reasoning.

>>102565068
i built a standalone low-ish budget linux system just for shitposting/multimedia duties in order to keep my gayming pc 'clean'

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Are you fucking kidding me?

>>102576695
1tb is fine for the os drive
if youre going to be storing said movies/music on this same pc and not streaming from a nas/server, id get some sort of hdd for mass media storage
your setup is pretty close to what i currently have
i dont think the extra fans are necessary (i have them) but theyre cheap and quiet so why not

Not seeing 7900 gre as reccomended, that to get? 4070 super is ~100 euros more, worth the money?

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>>102576712
I'll just have to buy 2x32GB like I wanted to when I built this.
Thanks for knocking me back into sanity, anon.

>>102571331
>removable motherboard trays
cool idea but i never actually removed the motherboard tray in my ancient lian li case (i think it was the pc-80, its been so long)
monitors are the same copy paste hackjob that you decry the mobo makers for doing. all the panels are made by a handful of vendors and then everyone just slaps their own bezel on it, renames the osd entries and calls it a day

>>102576767
>1tb is fine for the os drive
With how big games are nowadays 2TB should be standard, and he doesn't even need to pay double the price of a 1TB for it.

>>102571737
this angers the arctic shill
>also me because i bought the p12 max thinking they had fixed the issue only to have similar sound profile problems, which were finally resolved with the white version

>>102576695
The build looks generally okay as a high-end gaming machine. The $500 PSU is just stupid though - this PC will pull something like 400W in game and not much more than that under full synthetic load. Drop that back to a (still high-end) 850W Gold unit and put the savings into a better monitor. This is absolutely the budget where you should be considering OLED or MiniLED.
Here's an example setup with only minor optimizations that gets you there: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KzrLvj

>is it worth upgrading to a 7900X if I'm not going to be doing much workstation-type stuff?
Definitely not.

>at what point does something like a Phantom Spirit become necessary?
The 7800X3D is really low power (it's hardcapped at 88W) but at this budget you should definitely get a decent cooler for noise reasons.

>Mobo
Unfortunately there's no substitute for actually determining your requirements and checking spec sheets. The HDV is a good all-rounder and will probably work well for you but you'll need to spend more if you want, for example, optical audio.

>What capacity does an OS drive need to be
1TB is fine. Enough to store your OS and programs but not many modern AAA games. That's, presumably, what the 4TB drive is for so you're all clear.

>I assume an RTX 4090 would be overkill for my purposes?
Not really but you'd be hard pressed to fit one into the current budget without major compromises.

>Lancool 3
Again it's fine. Maybe even overkill but you have the cash so whatever.
Personally, given the mATX board, I'd want a case with a solid panel (eg. Meshify 2) but that's just an aesthetic preference.

>Case fans
Unnecessary. The Lancool comes with plenty and they're good.

>>102576767
>hdd for mass media storage
any reason in particular to favor HDD over SSD? aside from budget, obviously?

>>102575050
take the badge off/cover the badge

>>102576741
What is the problem?

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What the fuck happened to 7800x3d prices? Just 2 month ago it was selling at ~$270

>>102576913
Zen 5 flopped is what happened.

>>102576913
9700x didn't equal or beat it so people waiting stopped waiting.

>>102576810
i assumed the 4tb ssd would be for gaymes, otherwise id just get a singular 4tb nvme ssd for os+games
>>102576869
strictly a budget thing. high capacity ssds are terrible value. i download decent quality remuxes so i went with a 20tb hdd but ymmv

>>102575050
I fell for the sff meme a while back and picrel worked surprisingly well.
I don't notice a difference in thermals compared to my older case, and it looks sleek and satisfying to look at. A solid black box will never not look good to me.

>>102576964
north isnt sff

>>102576951
Sounds like bullshit considering that only 7800x3d price was affected. What's more likely I think is that amd simply stopped manufacturing them.

>>102575050
Damn I want to get one and put a nixie tube temperature readout behind the window.
Any cure for such disorders? I've never had such urges before.

>>102576978
shock therapy

>>102576973
they sold out, AMD hasn't stopped making them

7900gre ASrockSteel legend or XFX speedster?

>https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-5080-launch-ces-2025-14-layer-pcb-12v-2x6-pcie-5-0-dp-2-1a/
CES launch claim is suspect. Nvidia has always made events separate from industry ones to launch a new generation, and left laptop variants to CES.

>>102577084
Whichever is cheaper.

https://videocardz.com/newz/msis-next-gen-ai-pc-officially-with-geforce-rtx-50-gpu-and-core-ultra-200-cpu

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102574316
You should use whatever leftover HDD you have laying around for images/movies/music. SSDs are good for your OS, games, and any assets or active projects you're working on.

>>102577145
>gaymer boondoggles now have 'AI' plastered all over them
Yeah, I'm thinking it's time to load up on SQQQ.

>>102577145
>AI PC
OH MY POGGIES I CAN WATCH TWITCH EVEN HARDER NOW

>>102576420
Other anons are correct anon, you very likely will not be able to run your ram at max speeds a la 6000mhz cl30. I figured this out the hard way with 4x16 sticks of 6000mhz cl36 ram. I was able to get them tuned to 5800mhz cl36 and honestly, I'm happy with that. If you aren't an autist, this is perfectly acceptable because the performance difference in gaming is extremely minute. Good luck anon and take the 64gb pill.

>>102576835
>$500 PSU is just stupid though - this PC will pull something like 400W in game and not much more than that under full synthetic load
in my defense, OP does specify "50-75% PSU utilization" as the target; I just didn't want to take any chances.

>put the savings into a better monitor. This is absolutely the budget where you should be considering OLED
perhaps later, once I'm satisfied that the burn-in issues have been fixed. I only just got an OLED television a couple of months ago, and I'm still worrying about it.

>Definitely not.
even for new, demanding stuff like Cyberpunk 2077? Don't particularly want to play it, but it'd still be nice to know I could.

>The HDV is a good all-rounder and will probably work well for you but you'll need to spend more if you want, for example, optical audio.
my sound setup isn't going to be anything like audiophile-tier- just a couple of Audioengine A2's- so I'm not sure if I should reconsider. What else does a motherboard determine?

>1TB is fine. Enough to store your OS and programs but not many modern AAA games.
might consider bumping it up to a 2TB.

>you'd be hard pressed to fit one into the current budget without major compromises
I could go higher if need be, and if it were worth the extra money.

>[Case fans are] Unnecessary. The Lancool comes with plenty and they're good.
this is good to know.

>>102571100
hi anons, i need a new computer to run linux, 3d cad, and maybe minecraft, and have no idea where to start choosing parts or a prebuilt (i heard prebuilts are cheaper). i would like something as futureproofed as possible, my current laptop has lasted me 8 years and i expect a desktop to do even better. budget maybe 1-2.5kusd, am in new zealand buying from pbtech or computerlounge. having backup storage is important to me, but afaik getting a mobo and case with spots for a couple extra hdds isn't exactly hard.

i hear nvidia is open-sourcing the drivers for their rtx-series gpus, if i want a 3-4k display but don't play modern high-graphics games, i don't need one of the 4k gpus from the op, right? an rtx4060 would be fine? or is amd still the go-to for linux gpus since i heard linus say "fuck you" years ago?

>Avoid iGPU-less CPUs
i heard the opposite from my coworker, he said they're more expensive for no benefit

>>102576594
Set your frame limit to 90fps and enjoy stability anon.

>>102577348
your coworker is right, anyone competent doesn't need an igpu to diagnose a problem

>>102576913
retards waited for zen5 thinking it'd be better have more cores have a npu but nope, it's a rehash of the exact same chip as zen4.

>>102577086
I’m considering buying and returning a card at this point, I don’t want to wait 3 months

>>102577718
>he was a "wait for 4090 price to drop" waitfag

>14-Layer PCB, Single 12V-2×6 Power, PCIe 5.0 & DP 2.1a Support

An actual next gen card

First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set. [Sep '23 GPUPro]

I want to help my friend upgrade his pc so we can play some of the more taxing co-op games coming out, darktide/spacemarine/MHwilds. His 970 build from 2016 can't keep up anymore but he's very frugal. I'm guessing some parts like the PSU (500W gold I think), CPU cooler, and case (NZXT S340) should still be fine. 1080p monitor, Sweden, I don't think he'd be willing to pay more than 10kSEK (1k$).
He's going abroad a couple of months so maybe waiting and seeing is the right play. Related to that if someone knows a laptop that will run eu4 and Factorio well that'd be greatly appreciated, I severely doubt the capabilities of his government job laptop.

>>102577824
>unironically qouting usershitmark

>only 5090 is a real upgrade
>gap between xx90 and everything else keeps widening
At this point I think I'm just done
I'm going to just run this thing until it dies and then quit

>>102577759
I want a 5090, will be my first upgrade to premium card ever. I’m just so tired of waiting, I’ve been waiting like fucking 3 weeks already, I just want a card man

>>102571100
If my current monitor is TN 24" 1440p 144Hz, which upgrade would be better? OLED RGWB 27" 1440p 480Hz or OLED RGB 27" 4K 240Hz?

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>>102575817
>get parts
>they will be late
>suddenly get a notification
>Out for Delivery
>Friday 27/09/2024, 12:38
>tfw

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>CPU starts overheating
>change the thermal paste
>fine for some time
>week later
>starts overheating again when I'm gaming
What gives? How do you diagnose a overheating CPU besides checking it's temps and changing the thermal paste? I have a (forgive me) 4000D Mid Tower and a liquid cooler. I'm thinking of changing the cooler entirely.

>>102577773
>DP 2.1a Support
I'll laugh so hard if it only goes to 54gbps.

>>102578158
Check your mounting. Overheating - if the cooler is faulty - should be within a matter of hours, if not minutes, not a week.

>>102562239
> the 7900X is a 12 core cpu as the 7800X3D is more suited to gamers.
I said I'm not too into games, but it's my home PC, 7800x3d is okay if you don't work in ansys.
> the AK620 is an air cooler
So why do I need change assassin iv for this one?

>>102578158
Intel 13/14?

>>102578359
Ryzen 7 5800x

What is a good, lightweight program to clone ssd?
I don't need it for much more (if it can also do partition resizing with no hassle, it's a big plus, but I'll take what I can).

>>102578181
What do you mean by mounting? Where it's kept? Because it's under my table. Which I'm starting to think might be a bad idea.

>>102578158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvDZUGlEQI

this is why you use extremely viscious paste or a pad.

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Is there anything wrong with this? I am attracted by 12 cores and low TDP which is easy to cool in a quiet build and may cost less in electricity. For general usage, programming and compiling, not gaming.

>>102578396
Mounting as in how it is fitted to the mobo. Also you say overheating - how do you know it is overheating exactly? Running hot is not the same as overheating.

>>102578419
No - it is just the low(er) power version of the 7900x.

>>102578429
So the main difference is base clock speed. Boost clock is almost the same, 5.4ghz vs 5.6. Mostly my computer is idle and runs at 800mhz-1.2ghz when I'm not pushing it so should be fine. I don't overclock my CPUs. Anything else to be aware of with the base 7900 model?

The power efficiency is the most appealing aspect, I mean I guess I could just run a laptop but I hate laptops for serious work.

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>>102578420
>Mounting as in how it is fitted to the mobo.
Don't know how to answer that honestly. It's just mounted the way it's supposed to?

>how do you know it is overheating exactly?
I was restarting my PC and I got a notification that my CPU was overheating before it shut down and then I checked temps with pic related.

5080 leaked specs discourse

I have a 3080 and was waiting for the 5000 series to release to upgrade again since I don't play AAA games on PC anyway. I WAS planning on upgrading for monster hunter wilds, and going with the 5000 series. Now that the specs have leaked, I don't even know if its worth it. I guess it really comes down to what software is locked behind the 5000 series, 4000 brought framegen, all evidence points to 5000 series being made for AI so I don't even know if I should expect new gaming tech to be the selling point.

>>102576769
Yes.

>>102576869
Degradation. SSD will shit the bed after a couple of years. Not reliable for long term mass storage.

>>102577348
GPUs die. It's best to have a backup solution for display and basic needs rather than a completely dead system. Speaking from experience.

>>102578522
The non X parts are always more power efficient while delivering 95% of the performance.

>>102578419
>For general usage, programming and compiling
you're going horribly overkill then no?
What would you gain from a 7900 compared to a 7600(x)?

>>102578419
That's the chip I have and I love it. I use it with PBO enabled (should probably enable curve optimizer) but yeah you basically get a 7900x with a setting in the BIOS, or you can a very efficient and easy-to-cool 12-core CPU. It's pretty great.

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>>102578588
More cores/threads mainly, for stuff like re-encoding videos and compiling code. I found this unboxed pro version for pretty cheap but idk if I trust this site.

>>102578580
>Degradation. SSD will shit the bed after a couple of years.
What, even if they're not frequently rewritten? How is that possible?

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I can't afford the latest and highest end monitor on the market right now, it's too expensive for me.
I've decided to hold up a hardware store so I can get the monitor. This is not a joke, I have no opportunities to actually save up and buy it, the only thing I can do is hold up a hardware store and get it. I refuse to use a poor man's monitor any longer, I don't deserve it, I need the best, I can't live without the best and I'm not paying a grand for a new monitor.

>>102578627
Cold storage is even worse for a SSD. They're great for OS and programs because of their speed, but not storage. It's cheaper and better to use a HDD for storage. Cost, thermals, data recovery, long term usage, HDDs are superior in all those regards.

>>102578724
I like my 32" 1080p IPS monitor

>>102578724
Why are you holding it up and not just shoplifting from the store like a normal person? Did you want a deadly weapon charge too?

>>102578724
>The 42-inch LG C4 launched with a £1400 / $1499 / AU$2195 suggested retail price
Wasn't C2 like $800? What the fuck happened?

>>102578802
How on earth are you going to shotplift a massive box with a monitor? That's not even a possibility.

>>102578813
>shotplift
Shoplift*

>>102578813
>have accomplice park outside
>grab box and run out into car
It’s not rocket science, if fent zombies can figure this shit out so can anon

>>102578724
>Poor man's monitor
But anon.. You just said you are one. Why do you believe you deserve more?

>>102578813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFdYic6vuw

>>102571100
are there any good value intel cpus for gaming or should i just buy a 140€ 5700x3d and call it a go?

>>102578835
I just need it because of reasons.
This is not a question of being rich or poor, it's about survival. If I don't get it, I might die or something. I literally can't live without it. Every second that passes and I'm not using a high end monitor, I'm pretty much dying.

how far away is pure microLED (at reasonable prices)?

Holy shit
I thought the 4090 was an insane beast of a card but it can't even run Cyberpunk with path tracing @60fps on 1440p? It needs fucking DLSS in 1440p?

Holy fucking shit
Hard pass

>>102578929
Novideo DOA

>>102578903
10 years...like it was 10 years ago.

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>>102578859
I've been on picrel for years now anon. Do you really "need" more?

>>102578929
bro, it barely breaks 60fps at 1080p...

>>102578929
Tech showcases never run well on current gen hardware. This isn't anything new.

>>102578571
Okay now I'm starting to wonder if this is just normal because apparently overheating CPU would mean my PC starts getting all fucked up right?

Are Intel's apparent fixes enough to justify buying Intel 13th/14th gen now?

Or should those chips just be completely avoided?

>>102578964
Just because you can't afford better then it doesn't mean that everyone should be satisfied with not having more. I've been running on a 1440p 144hz monitor since 2017 and it just doesn't cut it anymore. 480hz is essential for competitive gaming and I am tired of people that can afford higher refresh rates that aren't even better at the game than me and are just able to afford better hardware. It's not fair, it's a doggy dog world, and I need to be a doggy dog too so I can win matches with my superior hardware that other people can't afford.

>>102579040
Anon.. Please.
>This time we fixed it for sure!
No.. Just let it go. Wait for the next gen.

>>102579040
0x12B is rolling out to further "fix" the issue
This will keep happening since there's no definite fix than to cap voltage to 1.4v, losing hundreds of MHz of clockspeed for some i7s and most i9s

>>102578976
It's unironically a disaster

>>102579004
I don't know man, according to the latest leaks the 5000 series won't fare much better

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I'm looking for a mouse recommendation, lads.
Is there an MMO/MOBA mouse that doesn't suck and is livable full-time in other types of games? It seems like the Razer Nagas with swappable side plates are the only ones that achieve this. Even mice with more "in-betweener" 6-button clusters have all sorts of QC issues, but if there's a decent one, I'd like to give it a shot.
I've been a pretty happy G502/Basilisk user for a long time, but my desire for more thumb buttons is becoming too great to ignore.

there's no point having a 4K monitor, just buy a TV

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>>102579145
can confirm

>>102579050
I'm gonna have to say it, forgive me anon.
>Skill issue.

is it worth it an R5 7600X vs the non x variant? also, what is a good cheap mobo in spain to future proof it with the am5 socket, pcie5 and at least 3 chassis fans (+ cpu fan) for cheap?

>>102578414
It really shouldn't pump out in a week unless he's mounted it like a girl with zero pressure

>>102579264
he could easily be using a bad batch of paste. mx-5 got recalled because it would separate too easily. other batches can be affected too.

>>102579244
Depends on the pricing. I personally never get the X variant. They're more expensive and less efficient while delivering the same level of performance. As for the board, might wanna wait for a month for newer boards to arrive and then look at the pricing. Even if they're not better, they'll drive the prices down for b650e boards.

>>102579169
I'm not saying I'm amazing at games so I'm not even upset. But you literally can't compete with someone that is running with better hardware and literally seeing more pictures per second than you are. If I had been a salty player I'd have called cheats, but I sincerely believe that many times it's just people with ricer setups that play a little above average. Back when I had good hardware for the time I was playing in, I clearly remember being really good at the game and winning most of my matches. I don't think I've gotten worse at the game since then, but as time went by new hardware was released and now I'm playing against people that it is quite literally impossible to react faster than them.

>>102578577
AI texture compression will be the new meme technology along with framegen 2. I've also seen talk of using DLSS to generate new NPCs.

>>102579297
I'm just joking anon. I personally don't play competitive games anymore. Last time was overwatch when it first came out because my friend's little brother forced us both to play with him.

Is a tempered glass side panel a must or just a common thing for cases? Because I've had pretty bad experience in handling tempered glass panels before.

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>>102579297
skill floors have improved in basically every game to autism levels hardware aside there's no competing with a neet/streamer zoomer autist in these games unless you are one. Also, several games are literally full of cheats.

>>102579290
I can get a r5 7600X for 200€ so I gues it is not a bad price, my noctua nh-12 can cool it surely without issues, about the mobos, why are they releasing new mobos? new chipsets?

>>102579306
I can see the future now
>oh you don't have an RTX 6000 gpu that supports a.i texture compression? Oh sucks to be you game will set (and lock to) low quality textures!
If you are really hardcore you'll be having flashbacks of RAGE's cuda usage.

>>102579344
>Because I've had pretty bad experience in handling tempered glass panels before
such as?

>>102579361
It breaking into million pieces when I was moving it to check the motherboard.
My cat ramming her head face first into the panel and breaking it.
So I'm not too keen on having it again.

I'm going to buy a 265k & 5080 and you can't stop me

>>102576741
i've never been a fan of the rog logo for some reason.

>>102576913
Zen 5 are cucked and half of 13th/14th gen intel are time bombs from the factory. have you been living under a rock?

>>102579348
Yes, B850 and X870 along with their E variants that support pcie5. So wait a little bit, maybe buy one of those or, save money on the current ones.

>>102579347
I realize that reaction times are a huge part of competitive games and that the older you get the advantage you have gets progressively lower. But then you get a bunch of pro players that are mostly 27+ and they're really good at the game as well, so it's not the only factor to take into consideration when it comes to competitive games. It's kinda difficult, though, to play against people with really good hardware and that are also not shit at the game. There's a reason why in competitive scenes that the hardware is literally the same on both teams, it's a huge part of the game itself too. Compare competitive scenes to normal players playing in matchmaking and you get a huge disparity of different kinds of hardware and refresh rates. There should be some type of standard that is universal to make it more fair, but if that were the case then nobody would be stupid enough to buy ricer setups to play competitively. Cheaters do exist too, but it's like a snowball effect where the more you think about their existence, the more ''cheaters'' you're going to be playing with so I don't even like to think about it too much.

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hold on what

>>102579474
A screenshot said it so it must be true!

New:

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>>102579474
Might be true.
The leak about 9800X3D October launch said they are purposely holding back the other two later because they'd have more features.

>>102579474
Waitbros blueballed again.

>>102579138
naga pro is the only game in town that doesnt suffer from random issues
its too bad because synapse software is dogshit and while they have optical switches on the main buttons, the scroll wheel is subject to dying prematurely
still waiting for logitech to release a proper successor to the g604

>>102576913
7800x3d bros fucking won is what happened