>>102637832
https://youtu.be/d2uhRdfgSDY

>>102637832
I do genuinely wonder how it'll turn out though. Will it be the same driver as in previous ones? Will the tuning mesh that made the original PR2 quite well-received return?
I still don't get why they removed it, it couldn't have been that expensive and putting it there couldn't have complicated manfucaturing THAT much...?

If the tuning had a but of a tilt towards warmer side it could be okayish.

Is Bose any good?

>>102595229
exact same thing happened to me with fiio e10k and different iems
i bought an apple dongle and no more hiss

>>102632885
This is why you should listen to deep dubstep where producers spent hours modulating sub bass frequencies, making them unique and groovy.

>>102638119
Gotta admit it's not a brand that's talked a lot about in here

>>102638498
Yeah I've got to use a dongle (CX31993 here) with basically any PC with onboard audio or any laptop I have or else there's just easily audible noise. Even with my smartphone that still has 3.5mm output I need to use a dongle.
At least ones such as the chink CX31993s are cheap as dirt, but why is PC on-board audio so shit?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTf4qfCBAc&pp=ygUk44GC44Gf44GX44Gu44Gq44GL44Gu44KC44Gu44GM44Gf44KK
Female poison pos for 2:15?

>>102638680
fiio e10k is actually a dedicated dac and amp
it just picks up the noise of the GPU when on high load for some reason

>>102638813
Huuh weird, some internal resonance with one of GPU's clocks?

newfag here, which sound signature is the best for female vocals? bassically pop and shit like that

>>102638813
Dongles are also dedicated amps and DACs.

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>>102638897
>female vocals
Get a gato, just don't look inside

>>102638946
>recommending an impregnated pos

>>102638968
I told you not to look inside!

>>102638935
i know, but it doesn't happen on the apple dongle

>>102638119
Brand for boomers who don't want to bother looking.

>>102638119
Hell no. They don’t follow the new meta, they’re not reviewed by Crinacle, and they don’t even have a cable. And remember their slogan from 20 years ago? “No highs, no lows, must be Bose!” Just stick to the usual shit. Truthear Gate, Tangzu Wan’er and anything from Aful. Comply with the meta or you won’t get real sound. Support Chinese brands because they all comply with the meta.

iems are giving me tinnitus even when i listen at low/medium volumes only

>>102639238
return your kz planar rajesh

>>102639269
i'm using moondrop quarks, also used ea500lm but returned it
i want to get the mangird tea pro but not if all iems give me tinnitus

>>102639292
>500lm - THE techs tinnitus machine
>quarks - unvented pos
>tea pro - the most energetic tea
terrible decision making. try again.

>>102639307
yea i know 500lm is a tinnitus machine
what's wrong with unvented though? they isolate very well
tea pro graph also looks fine to me

>>102639373
>what's wrong with unvented though?
unvented = higher SPL
>looks fine to me
ok bro guess you got it all figured out lol

>>102639413
what would you recommend then?

>>102639585
for what? anti-tinnitus speakers? you have a medical condition. i'd imagine things not blocking ear would be less triggering ie earbuds but i'm not an ENT doctor

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Saga? More like Seggs

>>102640060
This is actually…pretty good not gonna lie

>>102640090
If only they were actually selling units that graph like that...

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>>102640060
bloat, shout, tinnitus city
nice try tyvan

>>102640060
Too much bass. Other areas are great.

>10dB target
Suicide immediately.

>>102638946
so why did they massacre hola like that?

>>102640143
200hz is a little bloaty yes. Slightly more bass than gate would be fine
yes-it’s v-shape
no…no one cares

>>102640143
>5128 delta target with uneven 400-500hz area due to inaccurate 711 acoustic Z in the bass
>hurr durr lemme normalize at 500hz like a tard

>>102640344
right so measure on a real 5128, it'll look even more hideous
oh wait, nobody reputable cares to measure kz's latest posotm. they're busy with actual good products

>ZiiGaat x HBB: Arcadia
how many collabs does one man need?

>>102640060
Is this the new kz slop they're shilling now that edc pro has flopped?

>>102640249
dunno, cheaper to make maybe? The shell looks like some toy from a Kinder Surprise egg

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what pos in a reasonable price (up to $100) is the absolute best for chiptunes? I like to listen only real music from the Sega Genesis all day long and want the best experience

real music in question (example):
https://youtu.be/-QlzNC--uJY

>>102640701
any 1dd pos + eq

>>102640504
>flopped
lol, our team sold many EDC Pros in this thread and facebook and we are preparing the EDC Pro X by the end of this month

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>>102640060
Delivering a solid performance as good as the Stereophonic Cinema indeed

>>102638119
To this day I'm still baffled by how a high-end audio equipment manufacturer can stay in business without a single product that might appeal to professionals or audiophiles.

>>102638119
Biggest dogshit brand in all of audio. Just get beats by dr dre at that point

>>102641404
cringe larp

>>102641404
>EDC Pro X
It will also have reflective backplate but it will be reflecting to the inside this time

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>>102637832
>Portable Music Player
I'm thinking of getting one to use during my jogs instead of my phone and for my car through AUX.
thing is all of the good stuff are either marked up in price or non existent.
I've found a lot of chinese MP3 players clones.
How bad are they?

What's the difference between the 'Saga' and 'Legend Saga'? Is it just Ali sellers not knowing the proper name?

>>102642272
there are many reasons those devices arent rec'd: poor UI, poor format compatability, poor DAC & AMP performance, poor storage capacity, questionable battery life, etc.
get a used/refurb phone with 3.5mm jack, or pay up for the entry level chinkaudio devices from shanling, hidizs, hiby. a new sub-$100 hiby will be released at some point

>>102643084
kz wont even remember which tuning model to send to customers, how would you expect sellers to know the right name?

2 weeks review of
>Supermix 4
>Space Travels
Use the SM4 at the desk at work and at home
Use the ST during commutes and outdoor exercising.
The SM4 is pretty good for 150$. The techs are good, the sound is nice and with some EQ you can prevent tinnitus at 5k. They are on the smaller size of iems and should fit for most people with small-mid sized ears.
The ST can be used without the dogshit app. The ANC only works for background noise, not stuff like cars going by or leaves rustling thanks to windforce 7 winds.
ANC should be turned off while windy outside or enjoy your deafzo experience because it somehow boosts the sound of the wind.
Tuning is good enough for me to not care about EQ
Battery is good enough
The sound quality is better than last gen airpods. But still gets owned by any 20 dollar or above iem.
Needs proper tips.

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>>102643084
huh, this seller has normal naming schemes. but it should be the normal and bassier version
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007805826000.html
>>102643113
bro can't u innovate? 200 threads saying the same thing and no1 cares

>>102643526
blame kz for releasing the same slop 200 times

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>>102643526

>>102643679
deafzo will say this is kilobuck treble

>>102643685
almost, although it's a bit too airy

>>102643695
deafzo...

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I love Tanch and Yuki.

man these new kz and cca designs are horrible, can someone please make them remove the awful font??

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>>102643790
don't tempt kz to use a font such as this

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>>102643722
Me too bro, me too...

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>Moondrop has selected the Montara driver from xMEMS for its ultra-wide, ultra-smooth treble response and phase accuracy beyond 80kHz, delivering high-resolution sound for an immersive audio experience.

>>102643995
is Tanchjim CHU (ЧU) any good?

>>102644097
It's fine, there's a treble spike that fucked me up but I changed tips and it disappeared.
Comfort is excellent. Not as deep fitting or as small as the Chus, but the bigger body makes it rest in my ear much more nicely without irritating or fatiguing my ear (canal).
Also, the filter is uncloggable. I've worn it for +8 hours, and there was visible humidity on the filter, and everything was completely fine. Even took a tissue to it and it was completely wet, no problem. I should try to find the ones that came with the Tanyas...

>>102643085
Yeah, but I could never find one
>live in ME so
this shit is what I get.
>poor DAC & AMP performance
How to test this?
entry level chinkaudio devices from shanling, hidizs, hiby
Any examples?

>>102644062
Good tuning, cool design.
Stupid af price. Ain’t no one gonna pay $300 for a damn usb-c wired IEM that’s not even semi custom shell.
If it was passive it could compete with the likes of mega5est and whatnot

so fucking excited waiting for my 1 dollar nicehck traceless to arrive
thinking about getting a yincrow calf

which pos is:
>perfection of sound
>paragon of sonority
>precision of sonics
>piece of shit
only one pos per category is allowed

>>102644796
Chu 2
Shozy p20
Truthear Nova
I only listen to good iems

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tfw you want to consoom but there's no worthy upgrades or even sidegrades

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geez cringy is so lazy... why doesn't this fatzo add a tuning switch instead of needing to carry an ugly impedance adapter? the pos is $55 and even castor at $8 feels more modern !

EPZ Q1 Pro or chu2 or lan?

>>102645252
EPZ with fox faceplate

Going to buy the MAPro1000

>>102646067
>map
we call them pedos around here

>>102645193
Isn't it front vented?

>>102646067
maps make iems now?

Am I the only mother fucker with an ISN Neo 5 in here?
They're simultaneously the best IEMs and the worst iems at the same time.

Almost every other IEM I have in my collection is more detailed or more precise in its separation of instruments, but I can't help but reaching for the Neo 5's when I want to casually listen. They're just so damn comfortable and they let me hear bass well on lower volumes.
I'm so damn conflicted with them.

>>102646294
>ISN has bad techs
shiiieeeet maybe you gotta upgrade to one of their $300 silver palladium rare earth alloy cables

>>102646294
nah man we just use eq

Does Shuoer and Awful have anime waifis?

Do we have an idea of what 'separation' looks like on FR apart from just
>treble performance

>>102632035
Oh right. Does any third party test the attenuation of tips?

>>102633498
>Also treble response is smoother in BA versions
I've noticed that and assume its why they cost more but doesn't mean it translates to actual peaks in your dilated earussy.

>>102647525
No, but that's a quality of the driver,
DD can't do it, planar and hybrid balanced armature can

>>102647586
So it's just another untrained listener thing.

>>102647586
If your standard is from Moondropped/Turdear DD then it's correct.

>>102647664
Including Transjim too.

>>102647682
Incorrect transjim is goated and you're just a seething chud

>>102647525
Don't have midbass bloat and you'll have separation. Notice how memefest reviews say it has mediocre separation.

>>102644411
Shit looks like $10 ass, the tuning is pure DSP, the planar driver has its signature trash channel balance and trash subbass. This is a disaster.

anyone knows what's the acoustic impedance of Chu 2 mesh filters? is it the standard 500, 400 etc. mesh or something custom you can get only from Coomdrop?

>>102647525
it's complex, as it involves not only the frequency response, but also impulse response (driver speed) and the relationship between both earpieces which music producers normally measure with XY lissajous oscilloscope or its variant and audiophools should learn a thing or two from them

>>102648106
Impulse response = frequency response.

>>102648150
I'm still waiting for you to provide me a method how to get driver speed from the FR graph, yet another month passed and nobody answered

>>102648172
There's no driver speed. IEM drivers are ultrasonic tweeters as far as drivers are concerned.

>>102648183
there's a decay speed which is partly intentional as a sound with no decay would sound sterile and in a long term straight up painful (although it's desirable in studio environments), but it's still mostly the limitation of the driver itself, no driver will stop the exact moment the sound stops playing and low quality drivers will brake the slowest, resulting in mud and lack of detail

>>102648212
>there's a decay speed
There isn't. IEM drivers can move up, stop and move down at least 20 thousand times per second.

>>102648231
they accelerate and decelerate, even if you play the 20kHz signal it gets gradually louder and then gradually quieter when you stop playing because there's no such thing in real world physics as instantaneous acceleration, it can be fast enough to perceive it as instant but when many different frequencies interplay with each other - yes, they can have different speeds even on a single driver - you start to perceive it in a holistic manner as either snappy and detailed or muddy and smeared

>>102648262
>they accelerate and decelerate
Yes, that's what a sine wave looks like.
>there's no such thing in real world physics as instantaneous acceleration
There's no instantaneous acceleration in the recording either.
>you start to perceive it in a holistic manner as either snappy and detailed or muddy and smeared
FR.

>>102648286
>that's what a sine wave looks like
and the whole system, including electrical components in the source and of course the mechanical part that is the driver have to take their miniscule (but still) time to catch up to that sine's amplitude - the capacitors need to fill up, the suspension of drivers needs to stretch a bit etc. it's no video game, we have physics here
>There's no instantaneous acceleration in the recording either.
the recording is just input data for the whole physical system to react accordingly - aka respond, hence various responses such as the IR and indeed the
>FR.

>>102648319
>and the whole system, including electrical components in the source and of course the mechanical part that is the driver have to take their miniscule (but still) time to catch up to that sine's amplitude
Takes less than 1/20000 of a second on IEMs.
>hence various responses such as the IR and indeed the FR.
On a single driver FR is exactly Fourier transform of IR and IR is Fourier transform of IR. If you to a straight line you'll have a perfect Dirac impulse. But of course we know that a straight line is a bad FR. On multiple drivers with a real crossover capacitors and inductors rotate the phase of different frequencies so the impulse response looks wacky but the whole system still in fact works instantaneously, there's no propagation delay, and you can undo that rotation with a linear phase filter and still get a perfect Dirac impulse.

>>102648374
*and IR is Fourier transform of FR

>inb4 but what about IEMs that graph the same but sound different
Your ear is not a metal tube. They'll differ from each other if you measure at your eardrum. EQ by ear and the driver meme vanishes.

>>102648374
>Takes less than 1/20000 of a second on IEMs.
still more than 1/48000 which would be necessary to faithfully reproduce every single sample in today's recordings and we're talking about normal 48kHz ones, not 96+kHz audiophools tend to listen to
which means drivers are often slow, sometimes it's a desirable kind of slow, sometimes your 1/20000 of a second (or somewhat less) is slow enough to kill most of the details in the record, sometimes they're made of stiff lightweight materials or otherwise built to be fast and have good enough suspension to brake them very quickly after the sound, or a noteworthy part of it, for example a transient, finishes playing
>FR = IR = Dirac = something else etc. blah blah
the theory is good only if it's good, this theory has many blind spots and shows a small part of the greater whole

>we've finally hit speaker autism levels of arguing about the transitive effects of driver materials, how sound waveforms propagate, and freq response graphs and their hidden qualities
Yuck

>>102648466
Audiophiles listening to 96kHz can't hear above 14kHz. Even low-passing at 16kHz won't make an IEM slower. When people complain about slowness the problem is actually around 200Hz.
>built to be fast and have good enough suspension to brake them very quickly
Drivers are being braked by the amp. Mechanical damping is a part of TS parameters, but not the main part. It mostly exists to prevent the driver from flying off and keep it centered.
>the theory is good
This is practice. You can measure it.

What are some good budget IEMs that have non-metal shells?

>>102648511
There's one retard that can't EQ but that's it. Drivers don't matter beyond distortion, and even that is not super important.

>>102648518
Uhhh, every pos except for the chu2

>>102648513
>You can measure it.
with incomplete set of tools and even if we have all tools necessary, we can't use them to their full capacity, because the theory itself is spotty and should be completed instead of being treated as the only enlightened truth
>Audiophiles listening to 96kHz can't hear above 14kHz.
completely irrelevant, the Nyqvist relationship between a sampling rate and an effective frequency is just about how one limits the other's high end and can't be applied to the rest of the spectrum, which means even if someone is a deaf fuck and can hear up to 8k for example, he'll still hear how granular the sound is, or in other words, how natural vs robotic/digital it sounds and that leads us to: the higher sample rate, the faster driver is necessary to do it justice across the whole frequency spectrum
>When people complain about slowness the problem is actually around 200Hz.
see above, in today's digital systems everything is sampled at a constant frequency, which means if you listen to a 48kHz song, your 200Hz midbass is still sampled at 48kHz and needs to be treated as such

>>102648640
>with incomplete set of tools
It's complete.
>the Nyqvist relationship between a sampling rate and an effective frequency is just about how one limits the other's high end and can't be applied to the rest of the spectrum
>see above
200Hz sampled at 400Hz is identical to 200Hz sampled at 48kHz, do you even know how sampling works. The problem is the relative amplitude. Not sampling, frequency extension, etc.

>>102648640
>he'll still hear how granular the sound is, or in other words, how natural vs robotic/digital it sounds and that leads us to: the higher sample rate, the faster driver is necessary to do it justice across the whole frequency spectrum
Bro, a driver with 100kHz extension tuned to have muddy midbass will still have muddy midbass. Read the EQ guide.

>>102648701
>It's complete.
the set of tools? probably, but not the theory
>do you even know how sampling works
I know very well
>200Hz sampled at 400Hz is identical to 200Hz sampled at 48kHz
a 200Hz sample played on E-mu Emulator which changes the sound frequency by changing its sample rate sounds completely different than Roland S50 which samples everything at a constant value and digitally resamples individual sounds to that value to repitch them, which again will sound completely different than for example the sound of a real guitar which does not need changing sampling frequency or resampling it because it has strings that physically vibrate in an organic way and it can be captured in largely unaltered form at a constant sample rate, which means that even the lowest notes will benefit the 48kHz (or any high kHz) sampling to retain its natural character

Planar gang, waddup

>>102648764
>not the theory
The theory is complete.
>will sound completely different
If it sounds different the implementation is incorrect and this is measurable. A guitar doesn't need anywhere close to 48kHz sampling.

>>102648812
>The theory is complete.
how do you know this? it's extremely difficult not only to prove that the theory has already been complete but also to craft a theory that's complete, this one is too spotty to even begin to explain why there are better and worse IEMs in terms of techs
>If it sounds different the implementation is incorrect and this is measurable.
yes, but out of these implementations the only one that sounds really lifelike is indeed when a real guitar is sampled at 48kHz, while E-mu Emulator's approach can smoothly change the frequency without resampling, which means it can play 200Hz guitar sound at 400Hz sampling rate but guess what? it sounds wrong, fun according to some, but still wrong, so there's no escaping the need of sampling everything across the full band at the greatest frequency possible

>>102648869
>how do you know this?
Mathematically proven.
>which means it can play 200Hz guitar sound at 400Hz sampling rate but guess what? it sounds wrong
Record what it's outputting and you'll see what's wrong.

>>102648594
What about Truthear Hexa?

>>102648869
>this one is too spotty to even begin to explain why there are better and worse IEMs in terms of techs
Expensive = good techs, cheap = bad techs.

>>102648910
That's resin with a metal faceplate

>>102638119
Not in the days of cheap and cheerful Chi-Fi

my bible (eq guide) has an answer to techs...thank you eqGOD

Free paper just dropped
https://aes2.org/publications/elibrary-page/?id=22696

>>102648789
LCD2C
Arya SE
Rad-0

Hell yea, brother. One day I'd like to own a pair of closed back planars.

>>102649536
>headpos

>>102649448
>Class One (72% of listeners) preferred the top two rated targets.
>Class 1 listeners preferred, Har2019 (red) and SoundGuys (black)
my fucking sides bros, everything is so bad that listeners equally prefer two vastly different targets

sweet mother of schizo rambling

>>102649576
Mids don't exist. It's all about the bass to treble balance.

>>102647586
>that's a quality of the driver
correct
>DD can't do it
incorrect
>planar and hybrid balanced armature can
correct

>>102648900
there's no problem with proving incomplete theories mathematically, retard

>still no MoA paper
GIVE IT TO ME OLIVE

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>tested on wanky panky fretboard bullshit
A complete waste of people's time.

>>102649448
I'll be reading when they use nipponese Vtuber ASMR as listening material
Until then, this holds little significance in my Audio Journey.

>>102647806
Tuck = separation?? Moondorp won

>>102649770
mainly wider soundstage but also somewhat enhanced clarity, jizzy explained the techs-tonality connection when it comes to the soundstage, midbass tuck and lower ear/pinna gain open up the soundstage
it's not without its drawbacks though, as midbass is important in delivering note weight and cutting it out results in thin, lightweight sound

Class 4 listeners in that MoA testing really are based af wtf

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>>102648466
You literally mention Nyquist theorem later but fail to realise that the maximum frequency you can play out of a signal with 48kHz sampling rate is half that, 24kHz. Anything higher than this will alias.

>>102648764
>changes the sound frequency by changing its sample rate
That's just resampling. Also they are almost certainly doing roughly the same process and the difference in audio produced will be almost entirely due to choice of filters.
>which means that even the lowest notes will benefit the 48kHz (or any high kHz) sampling to retain its natural character
Not necessarily, the harmonics from a guitar fall off way before 24kHz see picrel (E2). When a note decays what you see is a reduction in magnitude of these frequencies, no new frequencies are introduced so you can capture all the audible (as in within 144dB dynamic range) information well below 12kHz.

I think what you're trying to argue in regards to sampling frequency is that a lower sampling frequency, while still capturing all the information at an instant, will not capture as much transient detail which is true. You couldn't argue in good faith that it is audible though that would be the same as arguing that you can hear a phase shift in the treble.

>>102648172
Does anyone have the squig.link scrape? It would be trivial (for a single DD) if anyone shared their raw FR data but I'm not aware of any that do. For a multi-driver IEM that has non-linear response you would probably need to do some analysis based on the configuration to estimate the result which I am not familiar with because I only do DSP.

>>102650181
>Does anyone have the squig.link scrape?
will be soon in the gazette archive, just have to do a few more things
https://rentry.org/iemgazette#iemgazette-archive

>>102649448
>Harman-trained listeners prefer Harman
Incredible insight, thanks Sean Olive

>>102650241
>training to hear peaks and dips makes you like Harman
Wtf how.

>>102650226
No problem fantastic work anon

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>>102650181
>I think what you're trying to argue in regards to sampling frequency is that a lower sampling frequency, while still capturing all the information at an instant, will not capture as much transient detail which is true
Sampling theorem proves there's only one possible path between two samples in a band-limited signal. Only frequencies above half the sampling rate can change that path. What he says is that 200Hz gets captured more accurately too which is nonsense. The highest benefit of the doubt I can give him is thinking that higher sampling frequencies provide more accurate timing even to low frequencies but if you've ever seen how subsample delays work you realize it's also not an issue.

>>102645193
source on the chink girl

>>102648172
>driver speed
literally frequency response.
What do you think driver speed is? Ability to play various frequencies.
if an earphone is playing up to 20khz that’s 20000 vibrations per second. That’s speed.
any deficiency in FR will show up in impulse response which is why the metafags at headphones.com largely ignore it despite being able to measure it

Moondrop Kadenz status?

>>102650940
Like Kato, but with small changes that will most likely improve technicalities (less bass, subtle 3khz bump, slightly less treble for more balance and safety)

>>102650940
Will flop on arrival

>>102650940
Diamond-coated dome techs
status: godly

>>102650940
I wonder if the'll also be selling filter meshes for it or because the nozzle is replaceable, they'll try and just sell whole nozzles for when it clogs up.

editor here

well, its been a month...and i have to say that everything has been going pretty damn smoothly. most of the major problems have been figured out, and all thats left is to continue the project while working out the smaller bumps.

heres the recap for what was done this month:
>basic rules and formatting with rentry
>22 total articles
>new music editorial
>archive with squig scrape, pics, and more
>size comparison database project
>/iemg/'s pos (might remove, seems a bit too self indulgent/congratulatory)

more is to come. i hope that everyone who reads it, either fully or with a glance, enjoys it!
https://rentry.org/iemgazette

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>New improved driver
>New V-shape endgame
PRseXo edition is here
https://www.kztws.com/products/kz-prx

>>102651144
>https://www.kztws.com/products/kz-prx
Sooo it is just the same thing but 4th... 5th.. 6th.. 7th time? Not sure now, there were a couple different PR1 versions and PR2 silent revisions

>>102649448
For a bit of fun - I submitted the paper to the NotebookLM (which generates a podcast from research papers)

This link should work:

https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/30eae8cb-3dc1-4d41-a263-7b7cb3b80e5e/audio

>>102651219
for the unaware, major virus

>>102650257
Because there is an effect of training on listener preference, How to Listen is a reconditioning exercise which biases listeners towards a specific intepretation of sound

>>102651302
Again, how does training to identify peaks and dips bias you towards Harman. Or do you mean that caring about tonality in general biases you towards Harman, as opposed to caring about random bullshit.
>there is an effect of training on listener preference
Are we sure there's an effect or untrained listeners are simply too random to converge on a single target.

>>102650181
if you sample a 200Hz sound at 400Hz true to the Nyqvist formula, then no matter what instrument does that sound come from, it'll get registered as a square wave, because it'll get a bare minimum of resolution to even get registered and from that point it's up to the DAC and/or amp to smooth it out, making the sound unlike the original nonetheless
if you want it to sound like the original instrument, you need higher sampling frequency to put additional samples in-between to make it sound natural, since it's probably not even a sine, but a compound waveform made of many harmonics which every single one of them has to be registered as something more than 0/1 flip-flop cycle (aka square) and smoothed out at varying quality depending on a source

>>102650431
that's some nice sampling with really nice interpolator you're showing, in its most natural raw form samples are atoms of the sound and there's no smooth line between them at all, but rather a jagged line full of right angles every time the amplitude of a next sample gets changed, of course electronics always smooth it out to a some degree but as I said to achieve such nice smooth lines interpolation absolutely has to be used - but even the best interpolation is just creating something out of nothing, so again, the more in-between samples, the better, always

>>102651302
What if I just like wanna enjoy my music

>>102651904
sweet mother of schizophrenia...

>>102651144
>$50 kz planar with shitty cable
I'd rather get the one from Sgor.

>>102652027
omg nigga stop crying... KZ puts all money into the construction and legendary driver quality... every hobbyist has better 2pin cables lying around anyway

>>102651904
>in its most natural raw form samples are atoms of the sound and there's no smooth line between them at all, but rather a jagged line full of right angles
Retard.

>>102651904
Bro, the EQ guide is too advanced for you, start with the digital audio guide
https://youtu.be/cIQ9IXSUzuM

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Why is it called v shape if the fr graph doesn't look like a v? Also why would anyone want to listen to something not only muddy but also tinnitus inducing?

>>102652139
Dear retard, these terms are condensed descriptors for sound. V here relates to boosts in the low and high end relative to a standard, in most cases "neutral"/"flat".
But "neutral"/"flat" doesn't look flat. Why is that? It is because graphs show the ear gain region, thus removing the visual aspect of these descriptors.

>>102652074
regular 2pin cables aren't good for the connector that KZ uses because the stick out too much and put excess much leverage on it.

What other brands unrelated to KZ use the QDC connector for someone to have a good cable for it?

>>102652229
QDC

>>102651904
>really nice interpolator
There's no interpolation there.
>and there's no smooth line between them at all
There's exactly one smooth line between them all as proven by Nyquist.
Oversampling in modern DACs is used to simplify the low pass filter. You never see a jagged line coming out of a DAC.

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>>102652139
>Why is it called v shape
picrel
>why would anyone want to listen
Because even when boosted in all the wrong areas, the average person's hearing is not that critical, and it's just coloring the music (rather than the opposite, significantly rolling-off frequencies, which is akin to "removing," some of the music). For a certain track or listener, V-shape can be an engaging or novel coloration. KZ ZS10 Pro, Shure SE215, and Campfire Trifecta are probably among the most popularly sold IEMs in their respective prices. Do I like any of these pos? Absolutely not, and they sound horrendous to me. I like sets boosted beyond neutral, but it can be tastefully done. Do normies and deaf audioboomers listen to ZS10 Pro and go "Woah the voices are so clear! I hear all the little bits of the music! Bass is so fun!"? Yes, because those are what the frequency response is highlighting.

>>102651977
Then you consume rat poison.

>>102652348
>picrel
by that logic almost every non-neutral pos is either V-shaped or U-shaped

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>>102652139
V-shape came from the speaker world because in speakers flat is neutral and V-shape looks like a V. A stupid term for IEMs because there's still no neutral for IEMs. Just think of it as something with bass and treble boosted.

>>102652376
see>>102652203
dear retard, you also have autism if you can't understand this simple visual metaphor

Anyone experience driver flex with the EA500LM? I got a pair earlier and returned it cuz it had driver flex. Got another pair and it had driver flex in the other ear. feels like its getting worse. Is the support gonna help me in this case?

>>102652406
>support
well where did you buy from? i hope amazon and you can return and re-roll (if you even want to try again). it doesn't hurt to reach out to chang support but i wouldn't be invested in the idea that they're gonna offer up a simple return & full replacement policy. could be an issue on your part. it could be something wrong with your source / settings, clipping you are misinterpreting as driver flex, or maybe a particular tip you are using is getting "too good," seal and you're also fitting it very deep, possibly blocking the vents (which are facing inwards towards your ear)

conclusion: EQ your pos, hit play and enjoy

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Sean Olive is now referencing headpos.com

>a blog by some rando is a scientific reference
lol audiophilia is cooked chat

>>102652468
I got it from amazon. By support I meant chang support. When I got my first pair, I tried to contact Simgot support and got fuckin ghosted. I contacted Linsoul support (as that was the amazon seller i got it from) and they didn't help much. But back then I didn't know what driver flex was. I just thought something was loose in there. Anyway, i guess I answered my own question. I'll just return em on amazon. I still have the box they came in so ez.

Any recs cuz I don't feel like rerolling these ones a third time

Budget 150 USD max
Usecase: Listening to drum and bass, Masayoshi Takanaka, Fleetwood Mac.
Would like a V-shape. I really enjoyed truthear hexas with a V-shape eq on top. Would keep using those but the 2-pin port is loose even on my warranty replacement units.

>>102652549
I hope Sean Olive didn't misgender they/them!

>>102652628
>all those QC issues
Damn bro that's unlucky. I saw Artti T10 were $55 on Amazon, good time to try them out. Artti R1 is also good, Kefine Delci AE version if you like having swappable nozzles

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endgame is here
https://graph.hangout.audio/iem/711/?share=Project_Reference

>>102652845
Terrible.

>>102652549
Its sean OliVER

Thoughts on the Ziigaat Doscinco? I'm getting more into bass lately and was wondering if make a noticeable difference on the bassy side compared to the Supermix, I eq'd the latter already though, just wondering

>>102653071
>already eq'd
>still want to consoom
your $270 senpai. there is nothing special about the doscinco, it's an adequate hybrid. sm4 is just as good with eq

>foxtranny getting btfo in other threads
you love to see it

>>102653071
if you want an actual bass experience, then fatfreq deuce. unfortunately it's tied to nggar's name, isn't for midbass punch, and has impedance adapter copium, but it's currently their entry level basshead iem, and fatfreq delivers like few others.

>>102652845
reference for mud?

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i'm chuzo, i've not been quiet satisfied by bass transients lately even with clean/replaced chu 2 filters. the feaulle H570 eartip material seems to have softened and deformed with use, and perhaps some of the cleaning fluids i used were incompatible with it. now i see there are the new FiiO HS20 eartips in a similar material, with a whopping 4.50 out of 5 rating in bass according to the audioreviews.org tweaking tips guide, and they're cheap on aliexpress especially with the welcome deal (at least to my country, the welcome deal may vary by country). i freaking love technology!!!

>Feaulle Latex H570 For General Earplugs
Bass: 3.50
Midrange: 5.0
Treble: 5.0
Soundstage: 4.75
Vocal presence: 5.0

>FiiO HS20 Liquid Silicone Eartips
Bass: 4.50
Midrange: 4.50
Treble: 4.50
Soundstage: 4.50
Vocal presence: 4.00

>Softears Liquid Silicone Ear Tips
Bass: 3.0
Midrange: 5.0
Treble: 4.50
Soundstage: 5.0
Vocal presence: 5.0

I have tested quite a few liquid silicone eartips over the past two years, and the SoftEars Liquid Silicone Eartips have long been my favourite. I am pleased to announce that the FiiO HS20 are now my new favourites for several reasons. Firstly, the bass performance is the best I have heard, even better than with SoftEars. It offers the right amount of tactility and note weight without sounding heavy or loose. The midrange is smooth with the right amount of texture and detail. Vocals sit on a level plane, which is rare among liquid silicone eartips. Most of them push the vocals too forward, making female vocals sound sibilant. Although the treble isn’t as extended as other liquid silicone eartips, this makes everything sound more balanced. Comfort is excellent. I have never once experienced a seal break or fatigue while wearing them. My only complaint is that FiiO only offers them in a single size.

(correction: on aliexpress you get S/M/L sizes in one pack)

lmfao we're so back

>>102653302
fake retard

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>>102653302

>>102653302
Save us from the kziggers

>>102652709
>>102652628
I kinda wanna try the arttis cuz planar. What's the build quality on em? If kefine is better build quality wise, i might go for that

>>102653117
>>102653208
Think I'll just skip on the doscinco, the deuce looks interesting, guess I'll await the reviews before I decide to consoom that one, anyways thanks anons

>>102653447
t10 plastic and aesthetics are very utilitarian and cheap. delci is more impressive and solid feeling. also as far as fit t10 pretty much requires a spinfit-style eartip to fit better, whereas delci is well-liked om average for the good slim fit

>>102652845
This target must be the JM-1 with DEI tilt (inclusive for SEAniggers and actual niggers)

>>102638988
Apple tech includes resistors where needed. I stopped eating junk food for a week and bought Qudelix K71 and it's superb. Basically Q5K but stationary.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/cheap-small-portable-dac-amp-with-no-or-minimal-hissing.53734/

>>102650989
>>102651032
>>102651087
I held out on Kato back then so I might cop this one to finish up with IEMs, thanks bros

EQ guide updated with the new preference research on the 5128 by Harman (both the preference tests and MOA studies) as well as small indicators for separating 711 and 5128 targets.

>>102653302
welcome back, we've been missing you, why didn't you post here for a few last months?

>>102650226
>mega.nz

Please no. Torrent, syncthing, send.vis.ee instances, selfhost, but not that shit.

>>102650226
>squig.link scrape

everything worthy (evaluated by jaako) is already in the autoeq DB. Can create a short guide if needed.

It'd be better to scrape crinacle. I think i already added his patreon to kemono, and there was a browser script for scraping that was shared years ago and still works.


Now that i think about it, we should we selfhost our own wiki as well as some useful services such as squig, volume calculator, pinnacle of sound/piece of shit lists, knowledge base etc.

>>102653803
im open to any of that, but unless people actually get to doing it, ill stick with this flawed but simple solution (i still have everything stored locally for future projects)
as for crinacle's database, not sure if that still works considering he changed a lot recently.

>>102653711
t-the digits...eqMESSIAH...

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>>102651144
>>102652074
Sarr 8k peak is still there..

>>102653801
i'm pretty much satisfied with my setup, now i want to spend my time in more productive ways. my main business is taking off so i've been busy with that and i want to get into music production, but the skill ceiling in music production is incredibly high and i don't really want to do any singing myself so idk how that will go, i'm still in the process of learning and haven't actually made any music yet.

>>102654004
try autotune (eq for your voice)

>>102654012
yeah and melodyne

>>102654001
is that graph 101 now? 8k is the coupler's resonance for this insertion...

>>102654033
Any iem with 8k peak i tried will sound sibilant.

>>102654049
Read the guide.

for the retards
https://rentry.org/IEM-EQ-Guide#insertion-depth-and-ear-tips

>>102653711
>new preference research
Can someone tldr is this sean olives recent canjam presentation

>>102654004
don't forget to record a piece of R E A L music for us homies here on /iemg/ to test the techs of our pos, we keep showing each other songs on youtube for that purpose but without Chuzo banger it'd be incomplete

>>102653903

I'll start putting things together in a month or so. You do you.

>>102653903
>not sure if that still works considering he changed a lot recently.

Indeed no workey. Javascript anon, come help.

>>102654135
>I'll start putting things together in a month or so.
do keep us updated! if everything works out ill adopt/use your implementation

>>102654110
yes it is, tldr is in the guide
or you can read the paper >>102649448

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>>102654110
Class 1 (72% of listeners) liked harman and soundguys targets the most and they are statistically tied
Class 2 (28% of listeners) are grandpas who prefer a bit less bass and more treble, likely to compensate for treble hearing loss

MOA is a mess now and it'll be funny to see people trying to adjust more than 2 filters now, expect a lot of noisy data

>>102654033
Yes but that peak is extraordinarily big and would probably show up on a 5128 as well

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>>102654135
Placing a breakpoint on loadFiles still works but if you want to automate that good luck.

>>102654049
That's you hearing your canal resonance, which likely isn't even occuring at 8khz at the magnitude the coupler will say. Just ring it out with pink noise and a narrow Q filter.

>>102654403
I've been thinking of making a tournament-style program that would generate progressively more complex presets, would be very easy with APO, it monitors its config folder for changes. But I already found my endgame target and I'm too lazy.

Seems the infamous mesh from PR2 is back in PRX - question is for how long?

>>102654613
Better question is who cares.

>>102654621
OG PR2 was actually ok so trying to hunt down PRX before the mesh is gone might make for an interesting challenge

>>102654110
People listened to 3 sparse boomer tracks and couldn't discern shit. Many such cases.

>>102654484
thx

>>102654115
kek
fwiw i like the sound quality of these synths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMRl-4TOAsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFm-g5YieEk
it's kind of crazy just how much you can hear the difference in ideal conditions with low ambient noise, good blood flow in your ears etc (i can't always hear it) vs technologically inferior synths. some people can't hear the difference between cherry audio GX-80 and arturia CS-80 V or they say the arturia is better but for me the arturia lacks the fidelity of serum or of true analog synths like the original yamaha CS-80.
>ULTRA-CLEAN OSCILLATORS
Playback of wavetables requires digital resampling to play different frequencies. Without considerable care and a whole lot of number crunching, this process will create audible artifacts. Artifacts mean that you are (perhaps unknowingly) crowding your mix with unwanted tones / frequencies. Many popular wavetable synthesizers are astonishingly bad at suppressing artifacts - even on a high-quality setting some create artifacts as high as -36 dB to -60 dB (level difference between fundamental on artifacts) which is well audible, and furthermore often dampening the highest wanted audible frequencies in the process, to try and suppress this unwanted sound. In Serum, the native-mode (default) playback of oscillators operates with an ultra high-precision resampling, yielding an astonishingly inaudible signal-to-noise (for instance, -150 dB on a sawtooth played at 1 Khz at 44100)! This requires a lot of calculations, so Serum’s oscillator playback has been aggressively optimized using SSE2 instructions to allow for this high-quality playback without taxing your CPU any more than the typical (decent quality) soft synth already does. Load up Serum and we think you’ll be able to notice both what you hear (solid high frequencies, extending flat all the way up to the limits of hearing) as well as what you don’t hear (no unwanted mud or aliasing gibberish- just good, clean sound).

>gazette
>eq guide
>chuzo back
>ongoing projects
>new paper
>sias and canjam
>11.11 in the horizon
we're so fucking back...

>>102654662
At its price it's probably better to get something good and proven if you really need a planar - like Artti T10 at similar or just slightly higher price

>>102654754
>serum
mogged by Vital

>>102654777
>blon bl-03 2
i'm literally shaking right now

>>102654754
You aren't ready for real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twx5QUo1PZM

>>102654984
holy fuck this actually sounds sick

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In Crin's tool it's now possible to show preference bounds. I just loaded the graph of a pos I own and applied the eq preset that I made by ear, and I am pretty close to the lower preference bound. Where are those bounds from, is this data available somewhere?

>>102655090
bounds are from harman research iirc

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Have you EQd to Harman or Soundguys Target using 5128 graphs today, anon?

>>102655090
also, you're using raw DF-like targets, you should apply a -0.8 or -1 db/oct slope and then use the preference bounds

>>102655122
>5128
tardzo...

>>102655122
No, I don't EQ
t. EQ guide anon

>>102655135
I do not really understand; the preference bounds are not affected by the tilt setting, in the picture I don't even have a target curve displayed. I just realized that I seem to like the lower preference bound and wanted to know where it's from.

Which BA has the best sounding timbre for you? For me it's Bellsing.

>>102655219
you have JM-1 selected, the preference bounds are done with a target in mind and will shift relative to it
the default tilt is already -0.8, keep it at that

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>>102655241
whatever the KE4 is using
very tube amp euphonic distortion-like

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>>102655090
here's my 5128 DF with rtings speakers target at 450-7500hz, manual EQ above 7.5khz, response below 450 is based on harman 2019 on crinacle's 711 graph but with a -1.7db low shelf from harman. seeing this graph might help convince me to boost midbass/lower mids slightly. the scoop is a common complaint with harman but i based my target on it because crinacle's 5128 graphs have weird looking wiggles below 450hz. i still like the subbass extension so i think the 5128 graphs should still be taken with a grain of salt. things like eartips and output/cable impedance can affect things not just in perceived bass volume but in transients as well.

>>102655518
Be honest, have the nozzles on your Chu 2 finally patinate?

still not sure if this is just a well studied chuzo historian or actually chuzo

>>102655310
ah so i think this should still be taken with a grain of salt because most speakers targets have variable tilt which is pretty flat until 2khz and then it gets steeper

>>102655615
i can clean the green stuff off but the brass tips are dull around the edges where the green stuff was

>>102654777
Triple 7 of fortune and truth

>>102655122
Can I get csv's for those, and also for "new meta".

>>102655739
https://listener800.github.io/eqplayground.html
have fun

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Hmm

all this effort and money to listen to compressed weeb music on youtube, geez...

>>102656341
Only real music
https://soundcloud.com/vanfleet/miasma

i want to have an iem to use as i don't have any
would be great if there is something between hd600 and sundara
any recommendations?

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Theres's ONLY ONE song to test your pos on and this is it:
https://youtu.be/J6VnqB1kQS8

>>102656400
Shut up timmy.

>>102656316
>konami_pos

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>>102656383
Quintet has good adherence to JM-1. Other HoF picks from consoomer rentry guide are fine too. Supermix4 is a popular flavor of the month. Order from Amazon if applicable for easy returns in case something (sound, comfort, QC issue) doesn't work for you.

Sup /iemg/, I have been using the Moondrop Aria Snow Edition for the past 2 years based on the recommendation in these threads back then.
I want something new, I don't really care if they better or just a side-grade, all the paint fell of the Aria and they look a bit shitty. Is there anything new worth picking up? I want to spend around the same price or cheaper as the Aria (~£80 with shipping).

>>102656595
epz q1 pro or kefine delci
or wait for zero blue2

>>102656617
>kefine delci
will grab those, thanks

>>102657462
Avoid it!! $5 pos is better nowadays and no cringe ~5k

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>>102657529
forgot proof

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>>102657552
forgot proof of QC

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uh oh... $70 btw

>>102657552
The last time I bought a pair of KZ based on a 'these are better look at this graph' from here they sounded like complete shit, almost as if there was a layer blocking the audio. I even bought a second pair (they were cheap) because I thought they were faulty (they weren't). I stuck with them for two weeks before the left ear died. I will never buy a pair of KZ again.

>>102657726
Old KZ was trash. 2024 KZ is only releasing bangers for some reason.

>>102657744
>Old KZ was trash
You said that last time.

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>>102657726
Smart lad, never listen to a talking rat.

>paying $75 for bright trash with worse QC than $5 pos

>>102657462
bland sound. good bass but meh everything else. you might like the fit tho, if you're looking for a small thing that sits flush into your ears.

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My KZ ZS10 Pro X still refuses to die

>>102658181
True. It's overly hyped by leddit just a glorified hola tbf.

>shopping guide
>eq guide
>iemgazette
>no one knows what pos they use
isn't this concerning?

>>102659337
eq anon has the wan'er which is based, 1 of 2 real iems under $50

>>102659337
he's using 64 audio tia fourte, it was revealed to me in a dream
that is why he learned the EQ arts

i know what piece of shit im using

OP is using Kefine and TRN Conch. That is super concerning.

>>102660103
OP has tinnitus considering all of the mega bright pos he recs, shit is so over

>>102659337
I use an S12 pro

Visceral Techs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCm_5U3-W9c

>>102661487
gross

>>102661487
The garage, more like the garbage.

>>102637832
General question for the thread, do you suffer from tinnitus? Is hearing loss just collateral to being an audiophile ??

>>102662280
I've had tinnitus for a couple of days from using openback headphones once but it has passed. Never again.

>>102650431
My idea was that a higher sampling frequency would more smoothly track the magnitude reduction as a note decays but on further thought that isn't true. Some of my DSP theory must be getting rusty.

>>102651904
>it'll get registered as a square wave
Not really. After sampling it is a series of samples, a square wave is the most common method of graphing the samples but it isn't actually present in the data and there are a few just as correct alternatives.
Graphing is essentially the same as resampling. If you want a square wave roducing a square wave is the same as upsampling with a boxcar low pass filter.
>from that point it's up to the DAC and/or amp to smooth it out
Not exactly the point of low pass filters after a DAC is to remove information that isn't present in the input signal. Nyquist theorem tells us that after sampling you end up with "phantom" frequency duplications at multiples of your sampling frequency. In your example, without filtering the output from the DAC, you would end up with signals at 200Hz from the input but also at 600, 1k, 1.4k, etc. all at equal magnitude. Clearly these signals didn't exist in the input so filtering is required to limit the output to only information that was present in the input.

>>102662280
I've had extremely mild tinnitus for as long as I can remember, and it hasn't gotten any worse or better since I got into audio.

>>102662462
same, along with very slight visual noise, it haven't impacted my life negatively in any way, it's just there

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I got given some AirPods 4 for free. I don't own an iPhone so should I just sell them?
I'm pretty happy with the Moondrop Space Travels I have. If I were to sell them, what should I upgrade to?

>>102662773
sell them and use pos

question for Chuzo: are the replacement filters for Chu 2 clog-resistant or are they just as the factory ones and need regular cleaning?

>>102663026
they've lasted much longer than the factory ones, not having issues for months but probably in very hot/humid weather you would need to clean/replace them more frequently. the sound quality degradation can be subtle, like instead of dropping in volume altogether you might get a weaker bass response similar to when drivers get wet, and you might need to try a few different filters to get the stereo balance just right. so it's a bit of a hassle to deal with but i like how you can unscrew the nozzles and buy official replacement filters and get very satisfying performance out of that. i don't want to go back to using IEMs that don't have replaceable filters because i might doubt that they're performing as good as new or they might have a very small channel imbalance straight from the factory caused by the filters. some IEMs like blessing 3 are said to not rely on filters for acoustics so you can remove the filters altogether so something like that would perhaps be closer to endgame.

>>102663140
there are mesh filters with hydrophobic coating or whatnot that really are resistant to clogging, tanchjim and letshuoer among others use such filters and don't clog, hence my question if moondrop has done its homework
if not, do you happen to know the value of acoustic impedance of these filters? an uncloggable equivalent would be worth considering

https://youtu.be/LfMKv7CGfMM
iem to handle techs in this?

>>102662280
Mine sits at 50 dB throughout 300-2khz range, sometimes hits at 4 kHz. It was hitting hard on 9 khz, but i stopped hearing past 8k a year ago.

Flu got me.

when Chuzo came back I got the sudden urge to EQ my Chu 2 that I had put in a carrying case under carrying cases of other pos, I just EQ'd it to Campfire Holocene and holy fuck did the soundstage come alive, it's open, breathing and VR-worthy (or ASMR-worthy if you're a faggot), the treble got unveiled and started to shimmer so beautifully it's breathtaking, although the overall tonality without ear gain is shit and not suitable of hitting play and enjoying the music

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Thoughts?

>>102664384
shrill

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just bought the epz q1 pro!
coming from a kz zst will i get a lot of difference perhaps?
got some acid to try it when it arrives

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>>102656400
There's no fuckin way this logo is actually on it. Right?

>>102664712
Bro...

just hit play and enjoy ze tunes...

just make a new thread...

>>102665985
Then make it, anyone can make it, it's not like it's the same OP every time. It'll stick as long as you just copy-paste the op, change a line or two and find some iem-related preferably recent pic.

>>102665985
threadzo (aka bakerzo) will probably come soon, just wait

new bread >>102666518

>>102664670
it'll be less v-shaped. if you like your bass, an eq boost will bring it in line (most music players / OS have simple bass boost preset)

>>102666542
i'm more of a vocalsfag.
think its gonna suffice?
i can eq if needed tho