why do normies think this is a flex
Being able to write for yourself, or think for yourself, is a flex.
>>103333938Raise your hand if you've never used a hammer for anything
>>103333938ChatGPT rots your brain. I've seen people that forgot how to program properly after using it extensively.
>>103333961I learned how to program with ChatGPT.
>>103333938Pathetic desperate to fit in loser woman with Myspace angles and Palestine flag. Cool.
>>103333938even with the most optimal selective photo imaginable i can still tell he was born male
>tranny>normie
>>103333945Nowadays, yes. OP needs to keep up.
>>103333938I use chatgpt to figure out something or to find a direct answer its way better and faster than scrolling and clicking on 20 different quora and plebbit links just to end up not getting the answer you want
>>103333945>>103333961>>103334055>ugh, using quality of life tools is... le bad
The word is "normalfag"
>>103334059Exactly, I'm either going to ask a question there, or scourge through similar forum posts which may or may not provide an answer which may or may not be sufficient.
>>103334083>>> 103334055 (You)>>ugh, using quality of life tools is... le badalright you fucker. the problem isn't the tool. it's how many use it. relying on that shit 24/7 isn't good.
>>103334083Yes? If you used mechanical legs that did all the work for you your real legs would atrophy into jerky, same shit happens to your brain.
>>103333938>>103333945it's the distinction between an animal and a human
>>103333938Is your question a false pretense statement?
>>103333963All you did was learn how to hallucinate a delusion of you knowing how to program
>>103334380
>>103333938Because it is.t. never used chat gpt for anything
>>103334414That makes you a contrarian, not anyone special.
>>103333938>palestine flag>X>retarded shit its (in the screenshot)LMAO JACKPOT
>>103333938>outing yourself as a luddite
>>103333961This. I asked a friends server a fun question. If you where a car what car would you be? A chance to give some funny answers or argue with others. Th first response was some gpt 5 paragraph dump. It sucks.
>>103334327many people use toilets, therefore that's a problem. We must go back to our roots and use leafs to wipe our ass. VGH.
>>103334501Why not wash your ass in the ganges instead? I want to hear what ChatGPT thinks about washing your ass in the ganges
>>103333938it's clearly anti-synth bias
>>103333961i've learned more from chatGPT than googling shitused it a lot when i was learning pentesting>>103334414give it a try goyits like getting direct answers to your questions instead of trying to trying to find someone online that had the same problem and wrote up the answer correctly
>>103334380Seethe tranny!
>>103333938It's not normies, normies love chatbots. It's far leftists, who've all decided that LLMs are counterrevolutionary for some reason.
>>103334336Except chatGPT is not that simple, and you can use it to open a lot of doors to things you'd otherwise have no entry to. Your argument is basically>Talking to people is le bad because they think for you.
I've never once used chatGPT. I don't even know the URL for chatGPT and I never will.
>>103336025
>>103336037This has to be a bot post. The picture doesn't even make sense for anything remotely posted in this thread let alone what I posted.
>>103335864It's not a person.
>>103336074I'm saying you're a lying fuck.
>>103333938ChatGPT really helps if you know what are you doingIt's like a monkey with a lot of knowledge
>>103336083Unless the url for chatGPT is www.chatGPT.com then no, I'm not lying. It offers literally nothing for me. The last thing I learned how to use was blender, and I work in a studio surrounded by people that are experts in it. All I had to do was open my office communicator and go "Hey, how do I do that thing again?" and get an answer. If it was specifically troubling, they could just show me how to do it visually. Your shitty AI can't do that.
i am so unfamiliar with chaz schibidi that i dont even know how to spell it
>>103334478some oversized suv so i could be the one to kill all those manlets, femoids and fucking kids, because the driver could never spot them
Honestly ainigs can cope and sneethe all they want, but it's becoming more and more clear that firstly AI isn't the miracle tool we all hoped/feared it would be; it's now been made clear that it's just a schizophrenic text generator. And you know, having a schizo friend to google shit for you is nice and all - except when you can just Google shit yourself."But all that shit is AI generated slop and I need to scroll down!" Okay, does your schizophrenic friend know this as well? How do you even know where your schizophrenic friend is getting your information? How do you know that it's correct? Your schizophrenic friend can barely remember who you are, let alone where he got whatever he's telling you is true. Even if you ask your schizophrenic friend where he got his information from, how do you know he's being honest? How do you know if he even knows where he got the information from? Is he being honest, a liar, or a fool? What is he? There's no telling.So what it ends in, is people relying on a schizo to do things for them, but either A) they have to waste their time cleaning the inevitable mess and correcting the inevitable mistakes made by their schizo, or B) they just aren't getting good at whatever they make their schizo do - all the person has to show is a half-baked schizo-made slopfest, and absolutely zero skills on their end to show for it. What the fuck was the point of doing all that then? To just justify the schizo's existence and prove that all this time training the schizo on other people's backs and other people's electricity was worth it?lol
>>103336144>Unless the url for chatGPT is www.chatGPT.comIt is.
>>103336025it's chatgpt.comget fucked
I only use AI to jerk off.
>>103336079And this matters because? You can ask it questions and it can answer you. If you don't know how to use that then you're just dumb.
>>103334501don’t sign your posts, very gay homo
>>103336456Don't compare talking to a flesh and blood person to this soulless machine.
>>103333938I thought it was a flex as well but now I use generative ai every time I need to fill arrays or databases with sample data. Sometimes I also end up using it as a search engine if google/bing/brave results are particularly disorganized
>>103336540He didn't do that you dumb faggot. It doesn't need to be a person to be a useful tool.
>>103333938i've never felt the need to talk to my computer
>>103333961I exclusively program in machine code. none of that C++ python crap
>>103336319>>103336286Well I guess I know the URL now then. Still not going to it.
>>103336572Clearly you can't read.
>>103336269>he is right
>>103336961>>103336269samefag
why does op think oral intercourse is a normal thing to do with your uncle
>>103336965>IQ=0
>>103335864>you can use it to open a lot of doors to things you'd otherwise have no entry to.Read a book you fucking retard
>>103334460You've never encountered a real Luddite before.
>>103333938I haven't used it for anything work related just for fun
>normies
>>103337191>>103336836You know what, you're right. I know you are right because discussion forums don't really exist after google, and school hasn't existed since the printing press. This is why these things are pointless, because you always have the right context and you always know the right keywords to find the resources you want. Furthermore, when you find the resources you want you never have any questions. There has never been a situation where someone has read a book and had questions about that book. This has never happened, hence the lack of schools in the modern day. I concede, you are 100% right. All we need is 4chan and google. Literally anything else is "turning our brain into beef jerky."And yes, I have bought books with the help of chatGPT. I'm currently going through Spivak's calculus because of it.I hate faggots like you so much, and this modern trope of just having one retarded position and dying on the most retarded hills imaginable.>Heh, you know that tool you think it's perfect anon? Well it's NOT perfect, LOSER>Uh, but nobody ever said it was perfect, all people have said is that it has its uses, especially if you->NO! No uses, literally useless. Talking to a chatbot? Eh, google does EXACTLY the same thing. There's literally no difference. READ A BOOK.>But the ability to understand natural language can make describing certain problems trivial, and it can be a good source of resources and keywords if you're a beginner level at->READ A BOOK REEEEEEEEEELegitimately kill yourself. I think it takes a special kind of retard to just out himself as a "do this for me because I don't want to think", by projecting that onto everyone who decides to use the tool that is not the tool you like. Let me be perfectly clear: if that's the only use you can conceive of for the tool, then (YOU)'re the midwit lazy retard, not anyone else.
>>103333963How? Any time I've asked it to come up with a program it has failed to do it properly.
>>103337191You don't read books, larper.
>>103337642not him but get it to write one function at a time and then glue it together yourself
>I have to manage several servers through SSH from my machine, and it's a hassle having to type the full server names every time. Is there some way I can streamline this process?>ChatGPT: Sure, you can add hosts configurations to your SSH config file>Wow, that's cool!>Proceeds to look up more about hosts configs and now I just have all my ssh servers neatly setup and I never have to go digging through usernames or keys or domains ever againfeels good being able to use tools. I pity the subhumans in this thread, who are incapable of attaining such joys
>>103333938>ask something I know >it makes mistakes >ask something I don't know>no mistakes Very curious, I think I'll skip this technology for now.
>>103337708What questions are you asking? Maybe we can help. I wish people having problems in this thread posted more of their prompts. There are things you really shouldn't use chatGPT for at all, but for some other things it can be really helpful. Generally, try to>Keep questions not necessarily simple, but direct>Ask for references and resources rather than answers>Sometimes you can ask for answers, but they have to pertain to topics which are very common place, and which you can quickly verify>If you don't know something ask questions to try and get more context instead of a full answer. For instance, lets say you want to learn more about sets, you can be like "what field of mathematics deals with sets?" and go from there.It takes a little practice, but you can get a lot from it if you learn how to talk to it. Good questions are shit like>I saw a tree with leaves similar to that of a maple tree, but the trunk was thin and white and the branches were all condensed at the top of the tree, leaving the trunk mostly bare. What tree did I see?>I am working on a spring boot project which I'm maintaining. I have to modify the application to handle both OpenID Connect and basic auth flows. Where do I start?>Can you please guide me through how the bubble sort algorithm works step by step?>Is the sentence [sentence in another language] grammatically correct? If not, can you explain why?Etc.
>>103337670Well obviously. I wouldn't dream of asking it to do more than one thing at a time. It's pretty dumb and makes lots of mistakes as is.
in a decade the only people left will be the ones that either managed to grow alongside AI or completely ignored it and did their own thing, people supporting them as they continue tothe people crying about it and coping about its usefulness as it keeps getting better aren't gonna make it through the winter.
*raises paw*
>>103334327explain why>what you didn't make up the recipe yourself>what you looked up the recipe in a book?>what you looked up the recipe on Google?>what you asked ChatGPT for a recipe?
>>103334327stop using the internet then faggot
>>103337866*raises spork*
>>103337708This statement is true for all types of sources. Even your doctor isn't likely to give you good or accurate medical advice.
>>103337846You can ask it to refactor shitCoworker gives me a script in fucking powershell I'm supposed to useI'm just like nope, chatgpt refactor this in pythonboom 3 seconds later it just worksOr another time I had made a huge script that used numerous methods that passed arguments to each otherIt was getting kind of messyI'm like chatgpt refactor this shit using 1 dictionary with all the infoBoom 2 secs later it just worksThis is literal days of work saved
>>103337911Well, that's good that it works for you. But for me it just invents stuff that doesn't exist or just otherwise gets things wrong.
>>103337951Anon, 100 lines of code or less ChatGPT is basically perfect. And if you believe otherwise you're likely asking it to do retarded tasks. Yes anon, maybe don't use a screwdriver like a hammer.
>>103337951Unironically it's a skill issue. ChatGPT gives amazing results if you talk to it like a person. Unfortunately most people aren't fluent in standard written English so it's garbage in, garbage out.
you need to use it as an assistant not as a replacement for your brain. else your brain will literally rot
>>103334380lmao
>>103337951If you give it the code it won't do as many mistakes.It still had a couple tiny mistakes, obviously you have to review it, but still it's massive time saved.You can also give it code and ask it to refactor it based on best practices.And it only works on popular stuff. If you are using a language/framework/platform that is not popular it's pretty much useless.
The concept of idea density measures the number of unique ideas expressed per unit of text (e.g., per sentence or per 100 words). It strongly correlates with creativity, intelligence, and even brain health. Folk wisdom already reflects this: entire corners of the internet mock people who use excessive words to appear intelligent, while truly smart individuals can pack staggering amounts of insight into concise statements—every few words offering something new to learn.This matters because most information today is low in idea density. Much of it is produced by low-IQ individuals, resulting in mountains of text delivering little value. For instance, many tech job postings are bloated with buzzwords, repetition, and filler—longer than ever but containing almost no actionable information. Writing thoughtful cover letters for these is a waste of time.Enter ChatGPT. Whether or not you consider it "true intelligence," it operates with an unprecedented ability to extract patterns and condense meaning. Its output often has a higher idea density than human writing. Case in point: when I ran this original post through ChatGPT, it returned something even more concise and insightful.ChatGPT is the most powerful information processing tool ever created. I've used it to find relevant companies to apply to, to simulate teacher-student interactions for learning, to double-check facts, to source partially remembered knowledge, to process text, and to brain storm ideas. IMO, this tool is like an extension of consciousness. Soon, it will be able to do autonomous background tasks which is like offloading a part of your mind to a research assistant. I feel that chatgpt is as important as the internet. Maybe more so.
>>103337592tldr, and you are now breathing manually.
>>103338128Nigger.
>>103334391>>103335699>>103337996 He’s right nocoders
ngl using ai as a search engine may be the only reason I'm interested in it. Supposing I spun my own locally hosted AI to be my personal google, what makes it better than, say, running a self hosted, traditional search engine?
>>103338169Realistically you would hook up your local AI with a search engine and let it filter the shit and then answer your question.
>>103333938I've never even used the internet.
>>103338169>a self hosted, traditional search engineYou're gonna need a couple terabytes for the database and it's going to take 10 years to scrape unless you have 100+ proxies
>>103333938why you have to make every thread about sex cant we just have one post without you have being a pervert its thanksgiving for gosh sake be a adult
>>103337592it's fake mon see >>103338128it's not negative entropy, it's not information and generally lays the foundations of a bad idea. just like emerging from winter, the concord of romance between writer and reader in posts like yours will never bloom. i dare say because the ideas you expressed are phantom in the limitless opera of the internets, and the grand journey of the cruel tutelage of life is id guess, all about your fears, that which you'd rather regress trying to improve but yourself. but fear not my dear friend, our mutual destruction of mind in our modern wonderland aint a foregone conclusion my bearer of the curse seek seek lestthe answer is simple, read a fucking book you fucking nigger and lay the ashes to rest
google is useless now. also people in the late 90's didn't say "dae not use google because we look things up in BOOKS using the DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM"
>>103338518Books are fine but they present a locked view of meaning. Will you find the right book? You could spend your entire life searching for the content you need and still never find it. But chatgpt makes every atom of meaning (in a linguistic framework) accessible. It's truly a tool that we've never had.
>>103337592>bought books with the help of chatGPTHow many did it recommend that don't actually exist?
>>103333938because its annoying to hear about chatgpt constantly when you don't care
>>103338547at least with google you know where you are getting your information and if it's true or not depending on the source. With chatGPT you just have to take it's word for it. It's basically wikipedia without any of the citations.The only "AI" I've ever used is googles because it automatically comes up and it's wrong about half the shit it talks about. Simple things like "range of f-18f" and it'll give a number but the official site says something completely different.
>>103333938I've never found it useful for anything except some searches where g**gle failed, and that was because of g**gle being fucking enshittified SEO bullshit. However, most people are borderline illiterate, so I can see how it would help with writing stuff. Or "learning" to coode if you're really retarded.
>>103339309>at least with google you know where you are getting your information and if it's true or not depending on the source. With chatGPT you just have to take it's word for it. It's basically wikipedia without any of the citations.>The only "AI" I've ever used is googles because it automatically comes up and it's wrong about half the shit it talks about. Simple things like "range of f-18f" and it'll give a number but the official site says something completely different.This is a skill issue on behalf of the idiot who's using an LLM for something an LLM is not good at.
I'm a normie, what should I use these "AI" things for? Other than making them create funny pictures? Or make then recognize pictures?This "fuzzy nonsense data" is ok for pics I guess but I see no other use case. Like what good's a fuzzy text data for? Poems maybe?Also I'm boomer so I hate the idea of talking to toasters. Still doing web searches like I'm using a database VS youngsters chit chatting with the damn thing.
>>103340109You can use it to make really shitty emails/applications/letters/whatever if you're too lazy to do it yourself. Then you can get rejected, cause misunderstandings, make people hate you etc. Very poggers, as the kids say. I know a few zoomers who operate like that.
>>103337868>>103337879Being able to navigate the web on ones own is a skill itself. I have no idea why you guys are trying so hard lol.
>>103341139Continuing; don't go acting like you're NOT a retard. It is a GENUINE skill issue, and that's okay. I just wish you fuckers wouldn't lie.
Asking chatgpt to write python scripts for me is like programming in itself. I lay out the steps that I want the script to perform and chatgpt just does the legwork of putting it together for me which I could've otherwise did myself.
>going manager route>dont care if i cant code anymore, im way more efficient>still firing you :)
>>103336074>people who have never used LLMs are the ones always calling non-bot posts botpostssuddenly this makes sense
>>103333938it's just people who're unable to see usecase beyond doing stuff for them. They're unable to explore things they don't know. For which LLMs are OK as a starting point.
>>103334478I don't like these kinds of questions, I never know how to answer it. I understand that people associate cars with personalities but I don't understand what cars go with what people.t. autistic
>>103333938It's just old good new bad for normies. Kine of funny she's posting this in Twitter because that was basically the same attitude gen xers had regarding social media and internet use among millennials. >I go and read books in library instead of relying on the internet>I meet people directly instead of social mediaJust wait and bid your time until they're all relegated to the past like the dinosaurs they're.
>>103334478>friends serverLmao
>>103334478I would just say your question is retarded. In fact I would guess pasting a 2 para ai answer is most likely an indication that the person you asked this thought so and didn't consider with answering himself.
>>103336269>blah blah blah hallucinate blah blah blahMy god, then just verify it ffs. Why do retards think it's an own like they think it is?
I kind of think most people against AI are low IQ tards who can't get past the skill issue of vetting the information they're getting. I ask ai to generate some code, is it runs, it runs(which is 90% of the case) but if it won't run, I just search for three bug or just use the documentation. I don't dismiss the tool entirely and make my job 100x harder because it got it wrong one time. Flexing your inability to do so isn't an own like you think it is.
>>103341476*if it runs*the bug Just like how I'm not stopping using swype keyboard because it made a few typos :^)
>>103341489adorable fucking faggot
>>103333938I'm with her. Only gaylords use AI
>>103341443Verify how?If you used AI because you don't understand something, to verify what it's saying you need to understand itIf you used AI because you forgot something, to verify what it's saying you need to find that information some other wayBoth ways to verify are what you would have to do without AI, all it did is add extra work
>>103333963all the zoomer faggots who've shown up in junior programming or programing adjacent roles over the past couple of years have been completely worthless precisely because they "learned to program with ChatGPT"it's like the stackoverflow ctrl+v-er but on steroids. all you can do is glue together snippets of code you don't fully understand and introduce bugs you can't fix.
>>103341443AI isn't the problem, the newfags who never learn to code because they always take shortcuts have been around for as long as stackoverflow has been a thing. you have to actively avoid the easy way to learn anything yourself.
>>103341489>hasn't learned to type because he has AI type for him
>>103337693>hm I need to type a lot when connecting via ssh but I want to type less>"ssh shorter server name"or>instead of typing out a cumbersome address I want to use a shorter name instead, an aliss one would say>"ssh ip alias"Both inform you of adding hosts to ssh config in first resultYou needed an external tool because the one in your head ain't working. You can't even succintly describe the problem you are having or a possible solution you would like to see, you are the subhuman
>>103333938*raises hand* fr fr
>>103334083>using quality of life toolsa lazy brain forgets how to do anything
>>103333938I used some no name text to image generator online like once or twice to see what it's like, later they all became paid or at least requiring registration. Never used it after that. Chatgpt always required registration.
>>103338128>entire corners of the internet mock people who use excessive words to appear intelligentDidn't stop you from doing that exact same thing>Case in point: when I ran this original post through ChatGPT, it returned something even more concise and insightfulImproving on your retarded word salad ramble is not difficult. You need to talk to actual humans moreAI text is not dense in information.
my mother and sister treats chatgpt like gospel
>>103338547What the fuck do you know about what people were saying before you were born
>>103338639>You could spend your entire life searching for the content you need and still never find itThis is where people with a brain reason out the content on their own, and the ai brainlets keep proompting, if it wasn't in any of the books, so it definitely wasn't in the training data but Im sure just two more proompts and it will create novel information
>>103339349>using an LLM for something an LLM is not good at.Aka anything you actually know
>>103341174>I would've walked there myself!I sure you would, no-legs-lenny
>>103341375Do you not understand you are literally agreeing with them as using chatbots to learn shit is a re-introduction of the things that were lost when people stopped going to the library and started just googling everything?Do you think creating real connections is easier on social media? Do you think it's been positive on our society?Real answer not botslop
>>103339349You are the dumbest blackest gorilla n1gger
I treat LLMs as sophisticated RNGs. If I need inspiration I just throw the dice. I have no expectation of truth. It's just RNG.
>>103340109maybe you don't get it, it's fine. it's more useful than google for math and coding stuff. You have a hexagon with 5 inches per side and need to know the area, it will just know the formula and calculate it for you instantly. That's a simple example though. The more steps the problem has, the more time it saves.Like the other day I wanted to calculate at what point space "really" begins. Where the atmosphere is closer in density to true interplanetary space than the atmosphere on Earth. And it instantly pulled in a formula for the density of the atmosphere at a given altitude and calculated it all out, as well as the density of particles in space and other relevant info. It's like what wolfram alpha promised to be 15 years ago, but actually works.I don't really know or care if this kind of thing is useful to normies. It's useful enough to me to pay a few bucks a month for.
>>103341476>is it runs, it runs(which is 90% of the case) but if it won't runWhat if it has to do anything more than just run?What if the issue is more complex than checking if it complies and runs? How do you know whether there is one?What if whatever you asked the AI to do is not programming, so you have to actually perform the most basic verification of AI outputs yourself? What if there is no compiler-like tool made by people smarter than you that you can outsource your "verification" to?You are not verifying jack shit, "it runs" is not a rigorous enough criteria to validate even a fucking hello world program
>>103333938i prefer to figure out stuff on my own"AI" is only making people dumber and more reliant on Big Tech
>>103343853Doesn't it create working but nonsense code?
Glad to see even normies see through this slop bubble
>>103343983So do humans. Personally I found even the very first version of chatGPT useful. It sucked, mostly produced buggy code, and was still useful to me. The newer version, o1, is just night and day better. I can ask way more complicated tasks, and the rate of errors is just so much lower. I can't even imagine how good it will be in a few more years.I used to keep a list of simple questions that LLMs got wrong. In the days of GPT4 it was already getting hard to find them. I had to try tons of random ideas to find one question it would screw up. O1 gets all of them right.I think people developed their opinions on AI in the caveman days of GPT3 or chatgpt. All the criticisms they make are the ones from those times. They just haven't tried the newer stuff, probably because it costs money.
It's not meant to be a flex, it's attention seeking.
>>103343983Not at all. In my experience with Python and C#, GPT writes better code than most people I know AS LONG AS YOU PROMPT IT WELL.
I just found out that ChatGPT is very good at simulating old text-based cRPGs
>>103344513You enter a field of jokes about blacks. You pick up a joke. It reads:THIS CONTENT MAY BE CONSIDERED HARMFUL AND IS AGAINST USER POLICIES.
>>103343898>What if it has to do anything more than just run?Such as?>What if the issue is more complex than checking if it complies and runs? If you can't break such complex tasks in to simpler tasks easier for an AI to follow, then it's a (You) problem anon. How are you even programming when you can't even do this simplest task.>What if whatever you asked the AI to do is not programming, so you have to actually perform the most basic verification of AI outputs yourself?Such as? >What if whatever you asked the AI to do is not programming, so you have to actually perform the most basic verification of AI outputs yourself? What if there is no compiler-like tool made by people smarter than you that you can outsource your "verification" to?It's pretty simple actually, does it produce the output you desired? >You are not verifying jack shit, "it runs" is not a rigorous enough criteria to validate even a fucking hello world programAnon, this honestly sounds like a skill issue on your part, if you can't even verify a hello world program. People with no programming experience have made simple games with it, if you can't get to run even an hello world program, then it's as others said, a skill issue.
>>103343370>Verify how?It's pretty simple actually anon, see >>103344753>Both ways to verify are what you would have to do without AI, all it did is add extra work>Verifying something you don't knowYour criticism is as valid for any source of information, not just one produced by AI.>Verifying something you forgotAnd human brain don't function like that. This was why SO was so popular among programmers before the internet.Anyways most people use AI for menial tasks they rather don't waste time doing, neither of the scenarios you brought up.
>>103343796If my post gave you the insinuation that I even think the Gen Xers were right, then dear anon, you've worse reading comprehension skills than fucking AI lmao. So much for reading books and talking to real people.
>>103343796>Do you think creating real connections is easier on social media? Do you think it's been positive on our society?I would argue, yes. I would've probably stayed being a devout brainlet Christian npc fag if not for the internet. So do most of the retards in here who think le new media bad. I would say this whole basedcial media bad, muh mental health crisis is a whole load of bull crap and fake news spread by sensationalist journalist retards. There's no mental health crisis, there's more awareness of mental health issues wholly due to the spread of internet. This doesn't itself indicate a mental health crisis. So is the case for the le loneliness meme. Happiest countries in the world usually are also the so called 'loneliest' Nations in the world (think about all those memes about Nordic bus stops where people stand 5 meters apart from other).https://medium.com/wise-well/the-myth-of-the-loneliness-epidemic-8de2f3d771d1This is like saying shitholes like India and Pakistan are safer for women because there's less rapes reported there.
>>103333959Schlomo detected
>>103333961I consume docs faster than you, git gudder
>>103343837based degenerate gambler
>>103333938>why do normies think this is a flexBecause it is. Some people I know literally use this shit for job applications
>>103333938because it is: ai is for brainlets
>>103344753>Such as?Such as the thing you'd want to run a program for in the first place>If you can't break such complex tasks in to simpler tasks easier for an AI to follow, then it's a (You) problem anon. How are you even programming when you can't even do this simplest task.Why are you deflecting>>What if whatever you asked the AI to do is not programming, so you have to actually perform the most basic verification of AI outputs yourself?>Such as? Literally anything. Architecture, would the building crumble? EE, is just going to short and not do anything you want? Robotics, is the machine going to rip itself apart? Finance, what is the total exposure of a play, is it even legal? Arts, is the perspective right, do people have the correct amount of fingers? Medical, is shit straight up poisonous to humans. Aviation, does a plane produce enough lift and can it even withstand the G forces it generates? Production line design, does it make what you asked or just a pile of scrap? And a fuck ton of other possible pitfalls I do not know about because they too in-depth in disciplines I do not knowCompilers are fairly unique as a tool in how much errors they cover, other disciplines don't have that luxury>It's pretty simple actually, does it produce the output you desired?You cannot prove correctness of a program that way. It also doesn't cover in/outputs that are too big or too complex to hand-analyze, or errors that are too sporadic for a lazy ai nigger to catchAnd again this completely fails for anything that isn't programming, anything where you wastes more than the time of an uneemployed ai nigger>Anon, this honestly sounds like a skill issue on your part, if you can't even verify a hello world program.I am not talking about myself or what I can do, I am judging that the verification method you've laid out cannot verify a hello world. I'm sorry your bot is struggling to explain the difference to you.
>>103343983How the fuck would he know lol
>>103334083Yeah, being retarded and inept is bad.
>>103344899Of course you don't think that, you don't think anything and leave that to the bot. But what FEEL is a consequence of them being right
>>103333938Because it is. In a few years, saying you use ChatGPT will be up there with "i got the vaxx im more virtuous than you".
>>103341139I do agree with this, but they've fucked up the internet and the tools to browse it so significantly that navigating in search of answers is 10x harder than it was just 5 years ago. I've always been good at it, but it's gotten progressively harder with each passing year.
it's scary how often I use it now, way more than google.
>>103346401>Such as the thing you'd want to run a program for in the first placeAgain, such as? I've yet to encounter one that AI couldn't help me so please fill in me on one. >Why are you deflectingWhat deflection lmao. Do you even know how programming is even done? It's basically breaking a problem in to simpler tasks and combining the results. >Architecture, would the building crumble? I believe that's what CAD software already calculates? >EE, is just going to short and not do anything you want? Same for digital circuiting program I guess. >A whole lot of other BS.Most of these tasks afaik rely heavily on automation whose process isn't personally vetted individually afaik. But then again I don't work there (and neither do you) so stop deflecting. >You cannot prove correctness of a program that way.Yes you can. Omg that's literally how programming works you gorilla retard. > It also doesn't cover in/outputs that are too big or too complex to hand-analyze, or errors that are too sporadic for a lazy ai nigger to catchThat's why you break them to simpler tasks you can easily verify you fucking ape. >I am judging that the verification method you've laid out cannot verify a hello world.I'm sorry to say you've an even worse reading comprehension than a fucking bot.
>>103346752Are the bots in the room with us?
>>103346898I believe so.
I have had a goal the last year of evaluating chatgpt as a programming assistant at work. I find it to be useful, whether it's worth 20 bucks a month though is a bit up in the air. You need to give it very detailed lengthy step-by-step prompts and then take its solution, manually assemble it yourself, and go through it carefully making sure you know what it's doing. It will insert completely wrong shit occasionally. I think the best way to view it is as a smart intern or maybe an entry level developer who only writes code under careful supervision. In that case you are then playing the role of the manager and overall architect. Also it is way more competent at scripting languages, especially python, than C/C++. Though o1 has surprised me with its C++ chops a few times. Another thing about chatgpt is that if it gives you code, and you test it and there's a problem with it, you can provide the error + context to see if it solves it. But if it doesn't fix it the first attempt, it never will, and it's going to be on you to resolve the issue. Don't waste your time in a debugging loop with it.
>>103344989>>Do you think creating real connections is easier on social media? Do you think it's been positive on our society?>I would argue, yes. I would've probably stayed being a devout brainlet Christian npc fag if not for the internet.Read it twice and really think about it
>>103346882>Yes you can. Omg that's literally how programming works you gorilla retard.No, it only verifies the specific cases you've covered, not the program itself. They cover it in college you avoided thinking chatgpt is just as good
>>103346882Describe precisely how you would verify a hello world program by only compiling and running it
>>103347261>you can provide the error + contextIt's gonna run out of the context window before a single sepples error has been fully pasted
>>103348066>No, it only verifies the specific cases you've covered, not the program itself. And that's how programming is done? >They cover it in college you avoided thinking chatgpt is just as goodIs this projection lmao. Have you ever heard of sorting algorithms? Where the problem is solved by sorting sub strings? My god, at this point you're just making yourself look like a retard just to argue over a point you've no fucking clue about. >>103348123Just run it you fucking retard.
>>103333945>using twitter>being able to think for yourselfThese are mutually exclusive you illiterate nigger.
>>103341150Here's a life skill: work smarter not harder. You don't win points because you waste time on things that can be automated. What you call skill issue I call: you're wasting your time. There is no trophy for spending an hour what takes me 5 minutes.
The only reason I never touched ChatGPT, why I don't know what the big hoopla around it is about and why I still rely on good old fashioned manual research is because I refuse to give ClosedAI my phone number just to use their fancy toy. Simple as.
>>103348182I think they have pretty long contexts nowadays but yeah if you want it to have any chance of understanding the error you need to provide the kind of info you'd provide if you were investigating it yourself at which point you might as well solve it yourself
>>103333938Anti-intellectualism. Same people would gloat about never touching a computer or video game 30 years ago.
>>103333938>>103349293>intellectualism>computerscan 4chan get more retarded than this?
>>103336269If AI is text generator, you see how irrelevant are the massive expectations of robot making all physical jobs.We not need people's work. We should have a robot factory making everything.
>>103333938>palestine flag in nameOpinion discarded.
>>103349293How does asking some rando robot stupid ass questions and getting stupid ass answers, make anyone a giga brain?
>>10333394599/100 people in the world, Chat GPT is smarter at any topic of choosing. Not just being a knowledgeable, but also being able to give out the running step by step thoughts on how you arrive at those thoughts.You're in the 99 percentile who are dumber than chatgpt and the AIs.
>>103337592>9999 got brainrotten and can't function without a literal overpowered spellchecker>1 person had their life improved>this is a net positive
>trusting a magic 8-ball filled with millions of untraceable sources of information all jumbled together in one massive incoherent soup to spit out the right info instead of just going to reliable sources yourselfAItists are the stupidest people on the fucking planet, and they've only made finding information worse because half the results on major search engines now are AI-generated slop (that the AI then incorporates into its own dataset, making its generated answers less accurate over time)
I didn't even know you could use it for free until they forced me at work, el kekko
>>103348405>Just run it you fucking retard.Okay, it has been ran. It successfully loads the executable, executes it, then exits. Is that all a hello world does? No. (Hint: it's in the name)
>>103348405>And that's how programming is done?No it's not. A caluclator program should work for a range of inputs, not the specific ones you've checked, unless you're willing to check all 8 bil number combinations for adding two 4 byte ints>Is this projection lmao. Have you ever heard of sorting algorithms? Where the problem is solved by sorting sub strings?Keep trying, I am not going to fall for you baiting into talking about deflection.Are you going to check every single possible collection to verify yoir sorting algorithm? And it's sub collections, not strings, strings have a specific meaning, luckily for you the bot should know
>>103333938you're baiting right, OP?if you can't do basic tasks without help from others then you're worthless as a person
>>103352067says the guy regurgitating info they digested from ai generated article headlines and 4chan arguments.
>>103333945Fpbp
>>103333938I endured like a year without using it in college not only because it would be cheating, now that I used it regularly I could feel myself becoming dumber and lazier. Do you really want to be that dependant on a handful of companies?Now I limit my use for searching information and summarizing articles.
>>103333938If I could delete all LLMs as well as the concept of LLMs from existence, I would. They're a plague.
>>103333938Based woman for once. I've never used any AI because its literally demons, and i dont want anything to do with demons and neither should you.I was tempted of course, and i did use some for of ai (but that was before Corona), but now that ive learned what it is, nope, and thanks God for that.
>>103352569>Is that all a hello world does? No.It prints hello world. >>103352608>A caluclator program blah blah blahTruly spoken like a retard who don't even understand how a calculator program actually works. >I am not going to fall for you baiting into talking about deflection.It's fucking clear you have no idea what you're talking about flailing around until you get the last reply turn to pretend you've won the argument. >Are you going to check every single possible collection to verify yoir sorting algorithm? Learn something about halting problem retard.
>>103352608Oh, absolutely! You're right. Clearly, in the magical world of programming, we should test every single possible input combination—after all, who needs efficiency or practicality when you can just brute-force 8 billion possibilities? Sorting algorithms? Pfft, who needs them? Just write out a separate program for every single case scenario. Let’s hand-check each set of data, one by one, just to be sure. Forget about leveraging algorithms that make the entire process scalable, because, you know, who wants to solve a problem efficiently when you can solve it the old-fashioned way—by overloading your CPU? And don’t even get me started on deflection; I’m sure you’ve never heard of it either.
>Bro how do you verify if it's producing accurate results broIt's so obvious half the retards seething against AI don't know how AI or even computers work at all.
>>103350622General ignorance of technology, innovation, and a refusal to learn how to use them.
>>103354743How do you "learn" how to use random AIs? By getting where I am: thinking all their output is nonsense?
In my experience, Chat GPT helped me on how to READ code, but it gets in the way of how to WRITE code.I was doing some code tests in C#, JS, etc. When the questions are about interpreting code it's easy, perfectly fine, but when I'm assigned to write the code myself I feel like missing AI input. I seem to forget little syntax things very easily, as in a real life scenario I would just go "gpt, make me the code for this and that logic"
>>103355460>By getting where I am:I think your output is nonsense. Learn English.
>>103333959Uh no sweetie, chat GPT is like hiring an indian to do your work for you. It's not something to be proud of.
>>103355534Who cares about the quality of english? It's only used with computers anyway.
>>103355594How are you going assess the LLM's output if you can't even speak English properly?
>>103355460this looks like the kind of sentence which would only trip up native speakers
>>103355460I'm trying to make sense of your post, I think you mean:>There is nothing to be learned in the use of AI. I come from the point of view that it can only produce nonsense.
>>103354496>It prints hello world.You haven't verified that>>A caluclator program blah blah blah>Truly spoken like a retard who don't even understand how a calculator program actually works.I accept you concession>Learn something about halting problem retard.Why are you mentioning it here? Does whatever sorting algo the bot came up with for you run into it?
>>103354511>Clearly, in the magical world of programming, we should test every single possible input combinationCan you point me to where I said that's what should be done?>Sorting algorithms? Pfft, who needs them? Just write out a separate program for every single case scenarioCan you point me to where I said that?Who are you talking to? Can you not follow a conversation?
>>103354531Well how do you?AI nigs kept crying that it's not that bad when their surrogate brain makes a mistake, you just have to verify what it says. But they refuse to present their verification methodology or defend it when challenged.
>>103333938But Grok/ChatGPT for technical issues and DIY troubleshooting info is the goat and an absolute must for accuracy and speed.People who don't like it haven't used it properly of they seethe because they can't discuss Trump with it.>ask it about food stuff>perfect info>ask it about electronics>perfect>ask about car engineering/repairing>perfect>ask about translations with added Romaji (phonetic text)>perfectWhat's the issue?
>>103358380>You haven't verified thatPlease educate me how you verify a hello world program other than printing hello world. >No uGreat argument there.>>103358415>Can you point me to where I said that's what should be done?How else are you going to verify all use cases? >Can you point me to where I said that?That would be indication of what you said though, if we're to verify each and every range of input.>But they refuse to present their verification methodology or defend it when challenged.The only one who is vehemently denying that you can't verify a hello world program's output is you. Anyways can you show me an AI getting a hello world program wrong?
>>103358490See >>103337708Nobody's seething. AI simply separates those who have an above average understanding on something, and thus can use that knowledge to see how useless the AI is, from those that are below average at everythingNobody's seething, your existence is just sad, and how proud you all are of your ignorance is doubly sad. Learn something, learn anything
>>103358569>How else are you going to verify all use cases?I wasn't the one claiming "durr just verify the AI output", so you tell me, then I'll tell you why that's insufficient>That would be indication of what you said though, if we're to verify each and every range of input.No it wouldn't.>if you were to do it this way (running a program with specific inputs) to actually achieve what you want (verify it's correctness) you'd have to perform this incredibly laboroius task (running it for all possible inputs)>wow I can't believe you want me to do this incredibly laborious taskI can see how an AI nigger too used to doing what the bot tells them to could miss the point being made and just assume at face value that's what is asked of them. I am sorry for forgetting you're not a functioning human being and confusing you>Anyways can you show me an AI getting a hello world program wrong?No. Why would I?
>>103334083Using tools is fine. Using proprietary tools is not.
>>103358730>you tell me, then I'll tell you why that's insufficientI've already presented it. Now your turn ton tell me why is insufficient other b than 'mmm, it's just not, okay?'.>No it wouldn't.It is. You've confirmed it yourself below. >if you were to do it this way (running a program with specific inputs) to actually achieve what you want (verify it's correctness) you'd have to perform this incredibly laboroius task (running it for all possible inputs)Anon, please read what you wrote again. It's pretty impressive you reply more like a bot than actual bots.
>>103358569>Please educate me how you verify a hello world program other than printing hello world.I think you fucked up and meant to say "other than verifying it's printing hello world", othwerise the subject is still me and I don't know how me printing "hello world" can verify an unrelated untouched programThat being said, yes, checking the program output would be a necessary part of verifying a hello world. However checking what the program prints steps outside of the bounds of the verification method you've originally outlined in >>103341476
>>103333938>Twitter screenshot>"normies"Go back to where you came from, normalfag /v/ermin
>>103333945your generation is onlyfans whores, no one cares about any of this shit loser
>>103358806>if you were to do it THIS WAYhere, I emphasised for you the important partLet me spell it out for you. I am not asking you to perform this laborious task, because we both know you won't and I do agree it's useless and stupid.I am criticizing your methodology, because the way to achieve the goal you are claiming you are achieving through the methodology you are presenting is to do the laborious taskSince we both agree you are not doing the laborious task, this means you are lying about achieving the goalAka you haven't verified shit
>>103333938>>103333973>>103334454>baby killer LARPing as an oldfag, samefagging, afraid to say normalfag, leddit typing and pretending to be a minorityevery time
>>103358582You just don't know how to speak to it, or ask coding philosophical things to it.For daily tasks like I described it's good.>upload photo of codes on a ranbom bolt at the garage>it replies accurately on what the bolt it an the codes meanWhat more do you need from an ai?
>>103334083>Doubling down on being an atrophied brain retardYou should have asked GPT for a proper response without sounding mad
>>103333938before chatgpt people used something called "search engines"if you were lucky, there was an exact answer to your question, if not you just adapted the code to your needs
>>103333938I haven't used AI anything in my job and I got a bigger pay rise than everyone else at the company, because when they assign me a task I'm able to do it fast and well.While I know of others working here that literally can't even open the fucking code they're using to look at what variables they have to pass to it.
>>103334478You behave like an NPC and you got treated like an NPC
>>103333961Chatgpt frequently gives wrong or incomplete answers, so I have no use for it at work.
>>103333938i attempted to use it and got some laughs out of it
>>103358490GPT literally couldn't tell me which tangent basis does Blender use
>>103350657unironically yes
