What is the truth behind SSD and HDD?
The truth is that you should use SSDs unless you have extremely specific storage needs where you should know the difference already.
ssd loses all its data instantly because the air conditioner was onhdd feels a little shake because your neighbor farted and you have to take it to a hard drive hospital and get charged $7000 to get all all of your photos with none of the directories or filenames
>>103348068The hierarchy used to go tape (nearline) > HDD (online). Now it goes tape (offline) > HDD (nearline) > SSD (online). That is the truth.
>>103348091this 100%
>>103348068SSD is better for system and programs.HDD better for cold storage, backups and all kinds of data, assuming you dont have little kids that love to cause mini earthquakes every 5s.
>>103348068Get SLC/MLC/good TLC SSDs for your OS/VMs/ZFS acceleration and high capacity HDDs for mass storage. There it's that fucking easy. And in case it comes up use QLC/PLC/etc to wipe your ass.
>>103348068HHDs are more fragile but are better for long-term storage. SSDs are less fragile (no moving parts), more compact (easier to take on the go) and have much higher read write speeds but have a shorter lifespan (around 10 years on average). Which is the best option for you depends on what you're doing, which is why it's annoying that you feel the need to ask such a broad vague question. What do YOU need them for?
I just got a free, brand new 14TB WD My Book. Tyrone'd of course. I love it. I love it
>>103348068I just reinstalled arch on an ssd and used the hhd that it was on for storage. It is much faster.
>>103348477>but have a shorter lifespan (around 10 years on average).Are you basing this on usage and amount of data written to the drive? If you use an SSD as mainly a storage device, not hooked up as your current system drive, wouldn't it last longer?
SSDs are considerably faster than hdds, waste a little less energy in idle and waste more to write stuff compared to hdds, and have much more price/gb.My current position is that they should only be used to put programs in it. (250gb max).
>>103349334based if true
>>103348091fpbp
>>103348068They both store data using different methods
>>103348091What ever happen to anti virus - CD products???
>>103348068they are made out of people
>>103348927>not hooked up as your current system drive, wouldn't it last longer?SSDs that are written to very little have an indefinite lifetime.This doesn't make them immortal; they can fail at any time but this means that an SSD is much like a motherboard, GPU or just any other PC component where there is no clear indicator of imminent failure or remaining lifetime.
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>>103351356why do people post this when the slowest ssd read is still faster than the fastest hdd read
>>103351356>>103351532It wouldn't surprise me to find out some of those chinkshit SSDs don't have RAIN. Not that retards buying cheap prebuilt desktop PCs/laptops would ever be able to tell.
>>103348068They are both good
Give it to me straight guys. If I have a zfs pool with two HDD mirrors, is my 2.5gb LAN saturating the speed with samba writes?On windows it’s 280 megabytes per second large file writes. On Linux it’s 160On Mac it’s 120. Do Mac/Linux for synchronized writes with smb while Windows does not? I don’t understand if it’s my HDDs or OS or what’s going on. Why can’t home networking just be consistent speeds like a direct connection to a drive?
SSDs are convenient but man, SD cards, usb SSD drives, can just go corrupt so easily. All of the sudden your jpegs are all loading with half the image or not at all, no recovery possible, the drive will mount and unmount randomly, get hot as hell, try formatting the SSD with a different FS and it seems ok then a month later starts heating up and disconnecting. I don’t trust SSDs for anything but Steam gaming and OS.
>>103348094You should use both.Why would you cheap out on storage this hard?Having a 2 TB SSD and a 12 TB HDD simultaniously is much better for every single usecase.
>>103348091every tiem?
>>103352324The SSD should just be large enough to cover your expected system requirements and applications. Then adding size of VM images and other large things you know you could want. Then multiply this by 2, because you don't want the SSD ever getting >75% full.You should never just buy the largest cheapest SSD, because they will be instable QLC crap. Buying the size you need, rather than the largest one, might reward you with more stability.Then a HDD that has the best price per GB, while still being in your budget.
>>103351356>The wheels on the drive go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the drive go round and round- until it all craps oooooout!
>>103352017Not my experience. Higher write endurance SSD are very robust on average.SD cards are harder to judge but you can buy the samsung endurance models or other well made brand models and that probably also works out.Of course you still want backups and sync. This means buying multiple times the amount of storage actually required for the data you need to keep. It's just how it is.
>>103352376Haven't heard this since elementary school
It feels like half the SSD models out there have some sort of gotcha>find a 4tb HP SSD for a good price>fast, TLC, gen 4, etc>Look it up>memory controller is notoriously shitty and makes the SSD shit the bed
>>103348068they store data
>>103348068You can't handle the truth, OP.
>>103348068>Should have an HDD setup for archival purposes>Takes two gorillion years to transfer large amounts of files, either in size or sheer quantity of files>SSDs are apparently dangerous for archival purposes because they need to be plugged in and powered at all times or else the data gets corrupted after several months with no powerhmm.
>>103348068I once saw it as a meme, because USB flash drives are traditionally known for being slower and limited in capacity.But the leap from HDD to SATA SSD was marginal and I didn't feel like going back.
>>103352859What about having an HDD as a data dump is "going back"?
>>103352906I'll have a second SSD as a data dump, thanksI need to be able to restore my system in a pinch
>>103352528>good price>large>fastYou can only pick two.
>>103351532Why do you take troll pics seriously? They're supposed to be amusing.
>>103352848There isn't really a guarantee if they're plugged in that they maintain the data long term.The main way people deal with this is verifying checksums on one or ideally more copies plus erasure coding.Also bluray, mdisc bluray, tape and some others seem like candidates for longer term storage but again you want copies... Even multiple tape/bluray drives. For plebes it may be better to carry data forward primarily online with checksums and erasure codes maintaining the copies.
>>103348927capacitors leak charge over time and this introduces a risk of data corruption over time if they are not refreshed every once in a while. This is not the fault of SSDs themselves but simply how the universe works. Use HDDs or blue ray for mid-long term storage. I guess you can put your SSD in freezer with a watertight container but you do you
>>103353717>put your SSD in freezer with a watertight containerExplain
>>103353044Good price relative to the sea of shitty prices that we have now, but it's still a far cry from last year
>>103354796Don't remind me, SSDs have gone up like 50% YoY.
>>103354236He's trying to get people to destroy their own hardware with condensation.
I prefer the HDD, the mechanical noise it makes is sovlfvl, makes it feel like you are working on an analog victorian machine struggling to deliver what you want. The silence of the SSD is deadening.
>>103353717Does this mean that I should plug a SSD drive I have once in a while (how often?) or else it will lose all the data stored in it?
>>103348068You use HDDs if you are:- data hoarder- wef schizo- obsessed NEETYou use SSDs for anything else.
>>103355272they can start corrupting data after six months of not being turn on,
>>103348068SSD's only cons are the write limit (barely relevant with quality drives outside of extremely write-heavy use cases) and high price. HDDs have shorter MTBFs, a bigger footprint, are slower and more vulnerable to the environment (shocks, vibrations, etc.).
>>103352004>On windows it’s 280 megabytes per second large file writes. >On Linux it’s 160>On Mac it’s 120.Why does Windows write files faster than Linux and MacOS
>>103352004>On Mac it’s 120.1G is 125... LMAO mac can't do multigig
>>103349393SSDs use less energy across the board, how can you believe spinning up a motor and powering a write head to write data could possibly use less power than just directly powering memory cells?
>>103348068The truth is that a solid state device is neither a drive nor a disk and should not be referred to as such.It does not involve the use of a disk, therefore it is not a disk.It also contains no moving parts, therefor it can't be considered to be a drive, a word derived from the act of putting an object in motion, such as a read/write head or spinning rust.
>>103355705Choke on an etymological dictionary and die, pedant.
>>103352324Name me one reason aside from archiving shit like a hoarder where you need a 12TB HDD
>>103348068...SSD are superior in every way?
>>103355662I have a usbC 2.5gb adapter plugged into the MacBook, it won’t go faster than 1g?
>>103355587I just saw something online about how Mac will force SMB to do synchronous writes. I have SSD Slog ZIL or whatever it’s called so even synchronous writes should be a bit faster I thought. Windows does asynchronous writes with SMB so it goes straight into the RAM and to the HDDs and that’s why it’s faster.
>>103355705The computer doesn’t know the difference. Should we not call a mouse a mouse either?
>>103355967>The computer doesn’t know the difference.yes it does
>>103355913usb overhead
>>103355913LMAO. all I can say. sorry not sorry.>>103356033USB 3.0 from over a decade ago can do 2x thatthe overheard cannot be 100% apple is just fucking retarded and continually becoming more retarded
>>103356097>>103356033It can’t be the USB’s fault because the NAS itself is using a USB eth adapter as its main NIC as well, reads and writes to windows very fast. I plugged the same usb eth adapter from the Mac Into my linux machine and it is writing 170MBps, not as fast as windows, which is weird because ChatGPT says linux defaults to asynchronous SMB writes, so it should do 280 like windows. The linux is on a 50ft cat6 cable maybe that slows it down.
>>103356097I’ll test later using the mobo’s 2.5gb jack if I can fucking find the Realtek drivers. Mint is one of the distros that doesn’t just werk with this mobo very well. Arch was fine.
>>103356207it works on windows, try it!
>>103355814>name one use for a data storage device other than storing data dohohoho, I see what you did there
>>103356305Finally got the Linux Realtek drivers for the mobo 2.5gb jack. It’s writing to the NAS at 140MBps vs 170 with the usb dongle wtf. I paid a lot for this Aorus mobo.
>>103348068Optical media (BD-R and DVD-R) are actually superior longer term. I think tape drives technically last the longest but nobody is using tape anymore, costs too much to make.
>>103348068You don't have to exclusively use one over the other and act like tribalistic /v/ermin about it.Both have their advantages. Use SSDs as boot drives and for programs and games you can easily download and replace. Use HDDs for long term storage and data hoarding
>>103348138This is why I still use HDDs.
>>103356380SSDs are better for long term storage though, they last basically forever if you don't overwrite stuff.
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>>103348068We will all lose all of our porn eventually unless you print them on 35mm film and archival paper.
>>103356424> don't overwrite stuffThe shocking statistic is that some MLCs can have a durability of only 10 writes. And it’s going DOWN with more Ls. We found this out the hard way when some idiot replaced our ram discs on our build servers with SSDs because he thought they were the same thing.HDDs have something like 10^16 write cycles.You don’t really even need a RAM disc in many cases—generally if you give your system enough ram, all the frequently accessed data will be held there, often making it faster than an SSD.
>>103348138If you refuse to back up your data you deserve to lose it while I laugh at you.
