>>107011677
gentoo clears

>>107011677
Linux is shit, GNU has always been amazing.

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>>107011892
>source-based, yet no reproducible builds
>overlays are just a convenient excuse for the shitty official repos that many users fall for
>users and developers alike in complete denial over the amount of time it takes to compile software
>"customizable" distribution, yet it's getting less and less choice and devs discourage anything but orthodox configs all the time
>circlejerking maintainers who coc competent ones into obvlivion
>use flags and all that other shit ultimately makes no perceivable difference on a desktop
>most bloated distribution of all: needs build-time dependencies by default and keeps all the sources (removing build dependencies is not practical since they are needed for updates anyway)
>hundreds of unsolved bugs that are ignored at best and brushed off as unimportant at worst
>untested, shit breaks even on the stable branch and isn't fixed for months. its "stability" is a complete myth
>openrc sucks. it being the default is basically just a marketing point since it works better with systemd anyway, a lot less people would give a shit about gentoo if it weren't for this
>boasts about supporting many architectures, yet only x86 and amd64 have a non-shit selection of packages
>"unstable" branch is slow as shit, far from being "bleeding edge". even debian sid is better in this regard
>literally won't merge valid prs to fix bugs and deficiencies in the repos even after having been properly audited and approved
>original author doesn't even use it on desktops, he's a macfag

>>107011892
nixos and guix made gentoo obsolete.

>>107011908
>openrc sucks.
i use alpine linux and i have no problem with it

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>How did they do it?
It's made by people who actually write code
no women
no pride grifters
no ecelebs
etc...

>>107011958
what's something guix does that gentoo doesn't, aside from being reproducible, which I don't care about?

Last time I tried the Guix distro it didn't have the required drivers for my system.

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>>107012126
>having multiple versions of the same package is normal and well supported
>transactional upgrades and rollbacks
>don't need root to install packages
>define your entire system (including home by default, unlike troonixos) in a single file
>cross compile like it's nothing
>ran by straight and white GNU chads
>notarized
>used by actual companies that create things
>doesn't use outdated and broken tech with hacks on top of it to keep working
>recompile your entire system with 0 issues using a single short command
>thoroughly vetted and tested by professionals
>makes corponiggers seethe

That's just from the top of my head
Your hobby project distro ran by trannies who can't get a job is a failed experiment kek

>>107012137
https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix

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this is what happens when straight thinking white men get together to create something
trannies could never LOL

>>107012309
>used by actual companies that create things
name 3
>makes corponiggers seethe
make up your mind already

>>107012309
>>107012534
>Before he attended high school, McCarthy became interested in science by reading a translation of 100,000 Whys, a Russian popular science book for children.[8] He was fluent in the Russian language and made friends with Russian scientists during multiple trips to the Soviet Union, but distanced himself after making visits to the Soviet Bloc, which led to him becoming a conservative Republican.[9]
Big yikes
AI, anti-communism, and conservative republican MAGA chuddery?
This LISP language looks very problematic and fash

>>107012309
>having multiple versions of the same package is normal and well supported
Gentoo does this for some packages, like gcc and python.
>recompile your entire system with 0 issues using a single short command
In Gentoo, that's
> emerge -ae @world
The a is optional, it makes portage ask you to confirm before starting.

>>107011677
Is this distro even active? It says their last stable release was almost 3 years ago.

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>>107012550
Something bluesky doesn't tell you about is that gays don't like trannies just like normal people don't
autogynephilia followed by self mutilation is not a sexuality it's a serious mental illness and everyone but picrel recognizes that, again, including faggots and dykes

>>107012683
all the packages are up to date
>>107012669
>some packages
LMAO
>emerge -ae @world
not guaranteed to succeed and could break your system unlike guix where if it would fail it won't run and thanks to transactional upgrades it cannot possibly break anything

>>107012683
Latest development image seems to be from early May.

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>>107012126
Consistency.
The package manager (Guix), init system (Shepherd), and even the CI (Cuirass) are all written in GNU Guile (Scheme/Lisp) and fully hackable.
Also, being a GNU Project, there's good integration with other GNU projects like Emacs.

>>107012756
Even that is quite a while ago.

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>>107012126
see >>107012778
And not just consistency - it's harmony, even

Gentoo is made by tens or hundreds of NEETs with no clear goals let alone ones that align

In Guix every single part of the system just falls in place perfectly and agrees with each other

It's the final solution to the Linux desktop question

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it rapes niggercattle so it's not going anywhere

>>107012872
it sounds like a bsd rather than a linux distro

Why would you use Arch when Guix exists and it's updates don't break anything?

Windows 7 blows it out of the water.

>>107011677
do you even use guix?

why lisp?

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>>107011677
why does the logo look like ovaries???

>>107011677
ok but is it better than NixOS?

That's the real question here.

>>107013995
You see any trannies behind guix?

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>>107013995
https://lab.abilian.com/Tech/Linux/Packaging/Guix%20vs.%20Nix/

>>107012620
>Big yikes
>AI, anti-communism, and conservative republican MAGA chuddery?
>This LISP language looks very problematic and fash
not to mention McCarthy being in scientific racism discussion groups with Steve Sailer, Minksy being a known Epstein client, and the whole LISP/MIT milieu being heavily funded and encouraged by the US military-industrial complex.

>>107014182
yikes
time to #cancel all these LISP and Emacs chuds before this fash MAGA cult grows

>>107014129
there's barely anyone behind guix.

>>107013517
it's pure s-ex

After seeing all the deleted and the not deleted posts, I literally cannot figure out what is and is not against the rules. What the fuck is with this board?

>>107014404
go fuck yourself you kike tranny.

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>>107012778
>>107012872
this
nothing feels better than knowing my system is not a hotpodge shitfest that's hanging by a thread (of a tranny's neovag hair)

>>107014312
a software project doesn't need 20 community managers funded by donations
kys troon

>>107014404
could you please point out the rule breaking posts?

>>107012595
>name 3
Google
Microsoft
Amazon

>>107013995
depends
what are your preferred pronouns?

>>107014404
It's basically "don't be an insufferable faggot", which is a high bar to clear nowadays.

>>107014673
>troonware
Not a single tranny has ever been involved in Guix
On the other hand, your hobby distro has so many death cult members on their team the whole thing could collapse overnight LOL
>B-But my maintainers said nigger or something!
Same coin

Guix has the best documentation I have ever seen.

I literally wrapped my head around it in like 15 minutes

Freetards managed to do it yet 24/7 online trannies can't write a single doc page for nixos and you have to learn from code snippets scattered all over the internet

>>107014737
>your hobby distro
joke's on you I run my own distro so zero troon involvement, while your troonware is inspired by troonOS and the whole concept is trannypilled.

>>107014673
>how do you update the /boot
Pretty much all distros need root privileges to do this, retard.
Still, with Guix you can install/manage/remove packages rootless with the guix package or guix home command. Meanwhile, with other package managers (like Gentoo's Emerge) you need root privileges even to accomplish this simple task.
Anyway, fortunately there's a lot of WIP to further improve this on Guix:
https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2025/03/build-daemon-drops-its-privileges/

>>107014804
so don't claim your package manager doesn't require root retard, and you the only reason it doesn't require root is because it installed packages in your troonstore that breaks everything and forces you to use only troonware approved scripts or packages. I could install all my packages in a directory owned by my user and add them to the path and not require root as well but what's the point, literally none retard.

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>>107014787
>I run my own distro
chopped?

>>107014846
>I could install all my packages in a directory owned by my user and add them to the path and not require root as well but what's the point
Sure, if you love dealing with dependency hell and package breakage. Guixchads keep winning, anyway.

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>>107014891
> if you love dealing with dependency hell and package breakage.
it just works but like I said absolutely pointless

>>107014949
nice
now install firefox-esr in the same directory

nix already won. guix is for people who don't like hardware and sperg out when they see texts files not lit erred with ()())()()()((((())(()()()(()() spam.

>>107014962
>firefox-esr
why would I need firefox-esr when I use firefox, I don't have it packaged and don't have the need for it but it would just work since I could just define my build script to install firefox-esr as firefox-esr if it installs itself as firefox but I have no idea if that's the case and couldn't care less. your whole os is useless troonware

>>107014989
>why
I accept your concession.
Also, you're the one coping & seething in this random guix thread. Typical troon behavior.

>>107011908
rent free lmao

>>107014965
>nix already won
Not really
There are many competing nix forks now (Lix, Snix, Eka, etc.), all while the NixOS foundation is in the middle of a "civil war" between SJW troons and Anduril chuds.
No flakes, no proper documentation, good Nix devs being banned, endless drama... Not really a win.

>>107015125
>won't let use non-free
Oh, this glownigger is a proprietary nonfree spyware shill. Nevermind.

>>107015093
>no argument

>>107015130
all of this and i'd still rather use nixos than guix.

The only distro where everything *actually* just works

>>107015130
>but the troons man. the troons!!! i can't stop thinking about troons!!! *troons out*

>>107015309
Your distribution could collapse overnight because of them.

>>107015186
Reproducible builds are a specific use case and should be covered by user-space utilities, not the system itself.
There's no point in using a source based distro if you just want to have official repo packages and don't need to integrate your own programs into the system. Overlays let you have your own ebuild repositories with ease.
Oh, the horror, gentoo compiles a lot! Anyway...
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X1.
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X2.
For desktop use flags control which primary gui widget you're going to use, this affects the general look of your graphical system. They control support for X11/Wayland. They tell you which files your mpv and ffmpeg is going to support. Etc etc.
-Os, and if you really don't want to have build dependencies there's always an option to use a build server.
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X3.
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X4.
Openrc sucks so much Alpine, the container distro, uses it. Cope.
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X5.
The "stable" branch is running latests releases of programs, why do you need "unstable"? If you need bleeding-edge, 9999 ebuilds just work.
That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation X6.
Original authors are gay. See debian, void.

Regardless, if you're satisfied with guix, then it's good for you. I'm fine with my choice, you're fine with yours. To each their own.

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>>107015477
>The "stable" branch is running latests releases of programs, why do you need "unstable"? If you need bleeding-edge, 9999 ebuilds just work.
outdated, no 9999 build, joke distro
Gentoo 18k 15k 11k 76.7% 3.1k 22.7%, according to repology 22.7% of packages are out of date lmao

>>107015477
>Reproducible builds are a specific use case and should be covered by user-space utilities, not the system itself.
trannybabble
>There's no point in using a source based distro if you just want to have official repo packages and don't need to integrate your own programs into the system. Overlays let you have your own ebuild repositories with ease.
nice reading comprehension
>Oh, the horror, gentoo compiles a lot! Anyway...
nigger?
>For desktop use flags control which primary gui widget you're going to use, this affects the general look of your graphical system. They control support for X11/Wayland. They tell you which files your mpv and ffmpeg is going to support. Etc etc.
usecase?
>-Os, and if you really don't want to have build dependencies there's always an option to use a build server.
tranny cope
>Openrc sucks so much Alpine, the container distro, uses it. Cope.
>some distro uses it so it's le good
>The "stable" branch is running latests releases of programs, why do you need "unstable"? If you need bleeding-edge, 9999 ebuilds just work.
wrong and tranny cope again
>Original authors are gay. See debian, void.
my original authors are straight white men who hate faggots
>That's not a system's problem, that's a tranny infestation
When the tranny cancer growth makes up most of the project it becomes the project

>>107015449
if anything it's been proven that they can't make it collapse. they've tried.

>>107015708
It went to shit after the initial tranny hijacking and it won't improve until they're gone

>>107015654
>>some distro uses it so it's le good
lil bro just called alpine "some distro" when 99% of modern infrastructure runs on it

GNU will save your soul

>>107015843
>we wuz a server n shiet nigger

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>>107015654
>>107015186

>>107015864
Employed and productive people get shit done with alpine/openrc therefore openrc is more than good enough to cover the vast majority of use cases
I know these concepts are foreign to you but please make an effort

>>107012683
It's rolling release so it doesn't matter too much, but they started preparing a new release recently.

>>107014778
It's not that good and if you want anything non-standard you'll be looking at snippets in the guix repo. The cli help info is ass too and often doesn't list options.

>>107014172
>"rolling-release" listed as an advantage of Guix
You know NixOS gives you both options, right?

https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix_channels
>Stable channels (nixos-25.05) provide conservative updates for fixing bugs and security vulnerabilities, but do not receive major updates after initial release. New stable channels are released every six months.
>Unstable channels (nixos-unstable, nixpkgs-unstable) correspond to the main development branch (unstable) of Nixpkgs, delivering the latest tested updates on a rolling basis.

>>107011908
Half of this, I simply do not care about. I like gentoo because its fun.

The Eelco Edolstra paper is THAT good.

What about Gentoo with both Guix and Nix package managers? That's even more than complete. Musl-based distros oriented to lightweightness and/or embedded systems such as Alpine are a great choice too.

>>107017370
>What about Gentoo with both Guix and Nix package managers?
why tho

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>>107013895
Those are gnu horns!

>>107011677
7/10 good bait.

only serious answers. i use debian for home and servers, would i be able to replace debian with guix 100%? idc about package limitations, i already use debian.

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>>107014778
>Guix has the best documentation I have ever seen
LISP languages are quite good at this. The very way you "architect" your functions is practically documentation in itself, if you know a little LISP, of course.
>>107014949
What's the point of staying in this thread if you hate Guix so much? Do you enjoy being bullied and humiliated by any chance?
>>107015130
>There are many competing nix forks now (Lix, Snix, Eka, etc.)
This has a lot to do with the fact that Nix has official communities and similar things. It's a pressure cooker ready to explode at any moment; all it takes is somebody getting someone else's pronoun wrong, and a clique of freak gathers to sabotage others in order to promote a new alternative. I left NixOS precisely because of these things. I've always enjoyed being active in the development of the tools I use, so I'd occasionally stumble upon issues and threads in the community with people complaining about user X who got their pronoun wrong and similar nonsense.

The fact that Guix's contributions are made through mailing lists already filters out a large portion of the problematic people.

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>>107019582
>would i be able to replace debian with guix 100%?
I don't know? Maybe if you could be more specific, I could help. Both my home server and my VPS use Guix. On my home server, I have a few services I use daily: Invidious, Nitter, Samba (with my music), an FTP server, and a few other things I can't remember off the top of my head.
On my VPS, I have basically all my personal projects, mostly in Clojure, Node, and Golang. Nothing extremely complex, but I think it's enough to test CI/CD and other scenarios.
I don't know what your use case is for Debian, but I'm pretty sure it's possible on Guix. I genuinely can't think of anything someone can do on a distro like Debian that they can't do on Guix. That's why I wanted you to explain a little more about your use case.

>>107011677
have they implemented flake yet?

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>>107019829
unlikely, since guix devs are apparently so dumb

>>107019829
>>107019852
Funny, considering you nixfags can't even implement basic shit like this
>Sign commits
https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/100

>>107019582
you can do anything you want with it but if you've never used a declarative distro before you will have to spend a little time learning the basics, also freetards think software not working is better than having to use a little bit of proprietary code so you will most likely have to use nonguix instead unless all your hardware has free and open source drivers

>>107019852
>how the concept would apply for guix
...well? tranny?

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>>107014965
> founder and leader kicked out
> all that is left is some committee that is now constantly in dysfunctional state of trans induced drama
> technical improvements get blocked for ideological reasons
> funding gets rejected because the people providing it don't pass the trans purity tests
> core devs are leaving and/or forking
> "won"

>>107019906
why would package manager deal with git commits?
looks like a retarded usecase

>>107016136
Have any examples of such non-standard requirements?

>>107014778
to understand nix is easy, read the code, since nix code are all declarative
unlike guix code, which full of macros bullcrap

>>107020105
>to understand nix is easy, read the code, since nix code are all declarative unlike guix code, which full of macros bullcrap
Holy cope
Nix is written in C++ btw

>>107013497
no i just get paid to shill it

>>107020125
nix language is declarative, unlike guix

>>107014778
nix doc is better for me, as it's more technical, you can grasp it better
guix doc is aimed for retarded end-users with no idea what's going on under the hood

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>>107015130
>Lix
>competing
Is there anyone using it who doesn't have multiple personality disorder?

>>107020017
Personally I wish I could do versioning based on commit hash, without --impure.

>>107019717
how many years do I have to bury into guix in order to get this proficient with it?

>>107020022
I had a hard time getting Awesomewm to build with luajit. I still haven't gotten Ladybird browser to build, cmake seems goofy on guix but I'm not at all familiar with it.
Otherwise it's just a lot of stuff isn't packaged, or it's in some nobodies personal channel that you don't know about.
Setting my shell to zsh didn't just werk (nothing was sourced) but that might be my fault, I haven't had time to investigate it.

>>107014671
So, most the posts itt?

>>107021041
In order to use zsh as your shell you will have to preferably define it under (user-accounts) and then on your user's guix-home config.

This is what you do if your shell isn't managed by guix-home:
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Configuring-the-Shell.html
it's just a few lines you have to copypasta.

New one for me to try, thanks

>no flakes
Use case of guix?

>>107021285
just get a job

>>107016325
Channels are really dumb and kinda defeat the whole point of nix, just use flakes.

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To give you an idea on how outdated this piece of shit distro is: Blender 3.6.23 is their newest Blender version. Meanwhile Blender 5.0 will come out in a couple of days
>muh updooter
Stay mad lisptrannies, cope with OpenGL while real operating systems enjoy Blender on Vulkan
>j-just package it yourself chud
No I won't, fuck you

>>107021843
>ebussyfag
>is an updooter retard
many such cases

>>107021887
Typical lisplet cope, go back to your tranny toy and let real men handle real Vulkan-accelerated computing

>>107011677
>GNU garbage
>wannabe nix clone
>only "free" garbage packages
no thanks

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>>107021997
>uses glibc
>uses coreutils
>uses binutils
>uses bash
>uses gcc
>his kernel is GPL'd
Sneed, GNU chads won. (You) can't escape us.

I'm really attracted by the concept but the old packages are a bit off putting. It's about time for me to grow out of the wintoddler mindset of binary not existing = software doesn't exist but unless packaging is easy or using nix in guix isn't too hacky I probably won't make the switch.

>>107022583
>wintoddler mindset of binary not existing = software doesn't exist
You can always use Guix FHS Containers to run binaries
https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2023/the-filesystem-hierarchy-standard-comes-to-guix-containers/

>>107014652
I work at Amazon, nobody uses it

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>install the official Determinate Systems NixOS distribution
>open inside /etc/nixos/configuration.nix
>declare guix as a service inside configuration.nix

services.guix.enable = true;

>guix pull
>create a perfect isolated guix shell container with networking capabilities

guix shell --container --network

>???
>PROFIT

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>>107022583
>>107021843
>old packages
you mean working packages?

>>107023001
you're a frontend monkey

>>107023235
Go back reddit tourist piece of trash

Why would I use this over arch linux?

>>107014172
Notice how the NixOS trannies won't respond to this kek

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>>107023086
>tranime

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>>107023224
>working
On OpenGL, yes

>>107023224
>AWS Netwrk AvailabilityEng-R
>frontend

>>107023308
What is there to respond to? This is an AI slop bullet point vomit article.

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>>107023326

>>107023418
There is nothing on the page that hints at it being AI

>one off guix thread: "tranime" "tranime" "tranime"
>lisp/emacs/guix general: most anime posts on the board
probably a bunch of election tourist larpers that don't use guix but know it's the contrary option to "tranny" nixos. another causality of the culture war. i thought lisp projects were above this
>>107023224
>um sweaty you don't need new packages
dont be a faggot

>>107023356
>20 year old code monkey calling himself an engineer
grim

>>107023418
Then answer this: Why is this ridicule 7-year-old bug still unfixed?
>nix-env uses a ton of memory
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/38635

>>107021529
>just use flakes
I do, that was just the first page I came across that explained stable and unstable.

>>107023246
responded to the wrong fag

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>>107023501
go back

>>107023519
I probably was coding before you were born zoomah

>>107023588
>Can't repair a sink
>Engineer

>>107011998
>alpine
trannyware

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They/them still haven't responded to it KEK
>>107014172
>>107023308
>>107023527

>>107021843
>Consumerist Updooter NPC using linux
Did pewdiepie tell you to?

>>107023660
godwin's law. i no longer feel any need to respond to you.

only fixed a part of it

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How do I install something that's not in the repo on this thing?

>>107020299
guix doc is aimed for people without autism who want to get work done

>>107014172
absolutely shitting on nixos lmao

>>107023736
>that's not in the repo on this thing?
Guix channels?
https://toys.whereis.social
Or you meant other package managers like Flatpak/Snap/Nix? Random binaries? >>107022657

>>107014172
>Philosophy
>Nix Pragmatic, broad adoption, practical system management
>Guix Free software purity, strong reproducibility, user empowerment
Nix seems manly; Guix seems gay.

OH NO NO NIXOS SISTERS WHAT IS THIS? >>107014172

>>107011677
So...It finally happened. Guix is now normified...BSD, here I go

>>107023736
it's not too difficult to package things yourself
that being said package availability (and slow updates for what's already there) were the exact reasons i left guix, i spent a large portion of my time packaging shit myself.

>>107023622
>half the Internet goes down when he makes a mistake
>not an engineer

>>107014172
I... I kneel.

>>107023822
See >>107012931

>>107019852
Guix already had package pinning, within-configuration channel definition, and a better CLI UX. Essentially Flakes have no place in Guix as Guix had a superior design from the start.

>>107020017
Because Nix/Guix aren't just a package manager.

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>>107023736
You need to pack it yourself.

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The sad reality of NixOS is that it wasn't designed - it was cobbled out of random ideas of mentally ill people
Guix, on the other hand, was smoothly designed from ground up by intelligent working men who solve problems
It's actually much more like a *BSD except without the shit that comes with it's obscurity

>>107023782

>nix
>governability crisis
>explodes is one hundred pieces
>war between community and corporations
>flakes are still experimental

https://youtu.be/gp0FI8Gw1iA

>>107023782
Ironic considering that nix is full of fags and even has its own pride LGBTHIV+ snowflake logo version but whatever.
https://nixos.org/branding/

>>107020137
Guix is a two-tier system using Scheme(Guile) for the implementation and a declarative Scheme(Guile)-based embedded DSL for the derivations.
An approach common to projects leveraging Lisp's homoiconicity.

>>107023947
I hate that pride shit logo so much is unreal.

>>107023782
Linux has only gotten gayer the further it strayed from GNU. It is now infested with cuck licensed rust troonware.

So, What are the technological advantages of using this over gentoo?

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>>107011677
Oh no no no no, Guix sisters
>https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Submitting-Patches.html

>>107024118
>and so forth
I guess I will use RMS's autistic "perse" as it makes troons seethe somehow
https://www.stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html

>>107024118
>The one and only tranny adjacent thing in the entire project
>Not even tranny since gender neutral pronouns have been a thing everywhere way before pedophiles started castrating themselves
>They/Them thinks their bloated, non-standard-respecting, bug ridden, widely unsupported package manager is better because of this

>>107012595
We use guix (not the distro) at work for developing some home security shit

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>>107023902
>>107012778
>>107012872

Is this true?

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>>107014172
>>107012872

>>107023501
Your dead threads of less than 10 autistic fags are not representative of a community.

>>107024179
>As for "they", if you are plural by nature — for instance, if you are a colonial organism or a group mind, or if you wish to be known for having multiple personalities — I will use that plural pronoun to refer to you.
Kek'd

>>107023902
>>107024187
>bug-ridden
>it was cobbled out of random ideas of mentally ill people
lmao you retards are describing guix
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/grafts-continued/
also nix was designed by one person, he also wrote a thesis (which guix was based off of) http://nixos.org/~eelco/pubs/phd-thesis.pdf

>>107012872
>In Guix every single part of the system just falls in place perfectly and agrees with each other
yeah, keep lying on the internet
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/grafts-continued/

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>>107024284

>Install NixOS
>half of the packages don't work
>No documentation
>Unironically the only community support I got was some zoomer sloptuber explaining code snippets
So this is the power of declarative distros...

>>107024549
>>107024565
what's wrong with grafts?
i've been using guix for 6 years and i think they're a perfectly fine addition

>>107024572
Wouldn't have happened on guix
There's nothing you can't find in the docs

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Can we just have one guix thread without the retarded normies?
It's literally the best distro I've ever used but I don't have a place to talk about it...

>>107023896
any examples?

>>107024549
>>107024565
>guix grafts are le bad
>rebuilding everything just to patch some security issue in nixpkgs—wasting time, energy, and money—is actually le good
holy shit
nixfags are truly retarded

>>107023356
>can't even spell network
pls keep fucking up aws

>>107023831
you will never create anything
you are a janitor

>>107024613
What do you want to talk about?

>>107025080
>is not familiar with internal abbreviations
k

>>107025446
>slaving away for muh equity on an AI-generated AI start-up
Thanks for your money

gentoo reached its apotheosis in the chromebook. perfect use case. it had to have been youngish tech bros at google that came up with "let's base this off of gentoo", really smart and exactly the right advantages, gentoo offered packages optimized specifically for the exact board theyre installed on, and chromebooks ofc were sold as singular units like phones. different chromebook model different base gentoo build.
but yes containerization and reproducible environments is now the new hot shit, maybe there can be like a nixtoo or something

>>107011908
>>107026302
meant to reply

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>>107024613
You know the thread you have to be in.

>>107020913
>years
Not really. If you already have some knowledge about network and servers you will probably be up and running in a few days. Guix docs are literally the best ones out there.

>>107024094
Declarative, reproducibility, atomicity, transactionality, Scheme, GNU standards adherence ... But if you can recreate the systems you like for Gentoo then it's just preference. I wouldn't say one is superior, they just have different aims. Gentoo is kinda the ultimate distro but only if you're willing to develop exactly what you need on top of it.

>>107023527
does anyone seriously use nix-env?

>>107026519
>thread
you mean the subreddit?

Gentoo falls apart when trying to do things which are a no-brainer on guix
Switched 4 years ago and never looked back

>>107030590
nix overco(m)pensator ignoring the existence of nonguix and native nix service #9999999 (plus trying to shift focus away from overwhelming nixos tranny infiltration lole)

>>107031047
>you don't need software
Sorry but I do, because unlike you tinkertrannies who just dilate all day I need software to get the job done. Maybe if you spent more time on packaging software in Guix (because it's so easy just like you're saying) instead of seething on /g/, people would maybe take your meme distro more seriously.

>>107023779
>just get it from another source
What's the point of using Guix then? NixOS has most of software while staying reproducible so I don't need to rely on 3rdparty repos or unverifiable binaries.

>>107031239
>selectively ignorant
>deflection
>types unnecessarily long post framing others as wasting time
yeah u mad

>>107031258
https://linderud.dev/blog/nixos-is-not-reproducible/

>>107031269
I don't care about other points in your shitty meme, lack of software is a no-go for me and every productive person on earth. Keep dilating to your troonpad desktop setup.

>>107031239
>I need software to get the job done
lol
until the software you need is considered le heckin problematic chudware by the nixtroons (like XLibre) and they just refuse to allow it on nixpkgs
https://github.com/nixos/nixpkgs/issues/419940

>>107031276
Okay, the more correct term is "built from source", but still better than just using docker/flatpak/nix(lol)/random binaries like that guixtard is suggesting because guix has no software.
>>107031330
>guixtroons don't include xlibre as well
What a self-own, it's just a matter of changing xorg source URL anyway that can be easily done locally. Meanwhile In Guix you must do the whole packaging yourself because guixtroons rather shill their meme on /g/ instead of packaging missing software.

>>107031431
What software is missing on Guix? In my limited experience it has everything that isn't pretty niche. I've seen some packages are outdated which is a real problem, but most of the software I use is fine.
As for Xlibre, if it's just a matter of changing the url you can do that with a cli flag when installing or just inherit from the X11 package, you don't need to spend time packaging it.

>>107031431
>Okay, the more correct term is "built from source
Nixpkgs is full of pre-built binaries and auto-generated packages everywhere. It's a mix between free and nonfree proprietary shit without much control. They also really don't test reproducible nor bootstrappable builds.
Meanwhile Guix is "built from source" only & free-software-only, that's what makes reproducible/bootstrappable builds easy.

>>107031330
hahaha so much about freedom, nooo you can't have this package.

>>107031463
>What software is missing in Guix?
Full-fledged DNS server like Technitium or Adguardhome, Home Assistant, Caddy, I could go on.
>I've seen some packages are outdated which is a real problem
Yes, chromium being outdated IS a big problem. There are only two programs you must keep up-to-date at all times - Firefox and Chromium and Guix can't even do that, Chromium used to be on even older version when I checked it few months ago.
>>107031481
Proprietary software has unfree license and ALLOW_UNFREE_SOFTWARE flag must be enabled so it's easy to avoid. The problem is free software package that uses prebuilt binaries because of problems with building from source. Such package can be can only detected by checking the package source, I wish they marked these packages better.
>Guix is free-software only
Sometimes you can't avoid that, especially with modern hardware, Debian understands that and moved proprietary shit to separate repos instead of autistically demanding 100% free software which is why it prevailed while FSF endorsed distros are dead.

>>107031597
>Caddy
is this missing from guix repos? oof. miss me with that shit.

>>107031597
>Debian understands that and moved proprietary shit to separate repos
Yep, just like Nonguix. Proprietary shit needs to be contained so it doesn't spread and turn the repo into uncontrolled chaos shit like Nixpkgs.

>>107031665
>Nixpkgs
There's a reason why it's called the NPM of distros. Total supply chain hell.

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>>107031239
>I need software to get the job done
You've just out yourself as a webshitter. I want you to show me just 1 (one) scenario where it's impossible to work with Guix due to a lack of software. When I say "work," I mean real work, not web shit. You faggots, who spend your days creating endpoints in shitty frameworks, are nothing more than code monkeys, it's not real work. The only reason you have this "job" is because there's financial speculation that allows money to be wasted on junk.

>>107031665
>Nonguix
lalalalalala i can't hear you (this is my argument)

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I will not updOOt

>>107013895
its so trannies stick to nixos

Without USE flags it's a non-starter for me.

>>107032595
>setup a simple webserver with easy HTTPS management and backup
You don't need that

>>107032595
>meme distro
this actually a meme distro >>107023527
enjoy your buggy distro

>>107032760
both NixOS and GuixSD are meme distros, zero use cases outside of very specific scopes that won't apply to 99.99% of linux users but at least GuixSD seems to be built on a stable foundation with a pure objective while NixOS is just a complete mess that has been hijacked by troons.

>>107032785
>both NixOS and GuixSD are meme distros, zero use cases outside of very specific scopes that won't apply to 99.99% of linux users
Not really. Even traditional distros like Fedora are focusing on becoming more immutable and declarative, with proper reproducible builds (see Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite). Another interesting example is SteamOS. There's a clear benefit to all this for both desktops and servers.

>>107031563
you can have it; run a flake that locally builds and replaces Xorg
you cannot have the Nix foundation build it for you on the servers *they* are renting

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>>107032785
>>107032897
Guix is used for HPC while NixOS is used by mentally ill people pretending to be anime girl...

>>107032913
this hector spic faggot is a mactoddler doe

>>107032913
Which clusters are using Guix the system? Only know some using Guix the pkg manager as do for Nix.

>>107011677
they didn't

>>107032978
Inria and some other European institutes.
https://hpc.guix.info

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>>107033088
>>107032978
Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine
Petrobras' Cenpes (Research Center)
Inria (already mentioned)
Utrecht Bioinformatics Center
The University of Tennessee Health Science Center (UTHSC)
Vale S.A.

>>107011677
I am too retarded to understand how to get a pipewire user service or whatever working so I never used it

Linux was fixed GoboLinux.

Jesus. This thread is awful. Are all Guix users so toxic? I have no interest in Guix now after skimming this thread.

>>107033188
>Petrobras' Cenpes
>Vale S.A.
Wait, really? Where do I read about this?

>>107033586
>>>/r/eddit

>>107011908
Guix doesn't have eflags

>>107033641
I work at Petrobras, they use Guix in the Harpia HPC. I'm not a sysadmin, so I barely do any work related to Guix there. I only know that because they make some internal workshops sometimes. The Vale S.A. I know because of a friend of mine that works there as sysadmin.
>>107033586
>I have no interest in Guix now after skimming this thread
Good to know that gatekeeping still works.

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>https://lab.abilian.com/Tech/Linux/Packaging/Guix%20vs.%20Nix/

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>>107033700
>Guix is a GNU project, adhering strictly to the GNU philosophy of free software and emphasizing software freedom

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>>107033700

>>107033700
It's over...

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>>107033700
ah SHIEEEET

No one actually uses Nix while GuixSD is used by thousands of people every day

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>>107033928

>How did they do it?
See >>107012872

Guix took the good parts of Nix and improved upon them while ditching the bad parts.

Guix is the successor to Nix and if you have triple digit IQ you should be able to learn the ins and outs of the system in less than 5 minutes, thanks to the flawless docs >>107014778

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>>107033970
> RaspberryPI

>>107033700
NixOS sisters... what THE FUCK is this?!

>>107033088
>>107033188
Note that question was about Guix System since NixOS was mentioned.
MDC for example uses Guix manager atop CentOS.

>>107033700
>https://lab.abilian.com/Tech/Linux/Packaging/Guix%20vs.%20Nix/
Who cares if I can still use gentoo?

>>107033685
>I work at Petrobras...
Look, I want to believe this as a Guix user/dev, but this sounds too much like "Trust me bro, I work there".

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>>107034000
ok

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>>107014172
>Key Dev Features
>guix shell, guix environment, graph manipulation via Scheme

guix shell

is very based. Another great command is the

guix time-machine

that's used extensively in Bitcoin and Monero for bootstrappability.
See:
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Invoking-guix-time_002dmachine.html
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/guix
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/contrib/guix

>>107033970
>>107034050
jewish anus cube in the middle

>>107019641
>>107019717

GNU/Girl

>>107033700
I don't get. What's the problem?

>>107033700
incel blog lmao

>>107019641
>The fact that Guix's contributions are made through mailing lists already filters out a large portion of the problematic people.
They recently migrated to support Code(((berg))) as well, but I think the mere fact that it isn’t github is still a filter in itself

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>>107033928
just werks on my machines
I have wanted to give guix a try though. How is sops-guix vs sops-nix? Is there a good alternative for disko?
>>107033970
lel

>>107034292
Well, there aren't many free forge alternatives. Both Github and Gitlab are nonfree software. (((Codeberg))) is free (as in freedom and beer) enough. Also, Forgejo is GPL'd.

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>>107033970
>3days uptime on a Pi
lmao maybe you should stick to a real distro

>>107034795
I just replaced my rpi4 that was running kodi for that TV. I'm still waiting for someone to post a current guix fetch, but I think this whole thread is just one guix schizo with an old thinkpad.

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I own the most Hyperborean machine in the American continent.

>>107023660
>Still no response

>>107034870
Font?

>>107035399

Nerd Font Go Mono

>>107034344
>good alternative for disko?
Not that I know of.
>How is sops-guix vs sops nix?
I only ever used sops-guix with gpg/pgp. It works fine for my usecases.

>>107035658
Very nice, thanks!

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>>107034861
uh, didn't know anyone cared. i just got and installed on a p15v too, not gonna fetch cus someone else is using it rn. been using Guix as s system distro since around when the NixOS community shit started ramping. i still work using Nix devenvs.

This whole thread is just one schizo on a trance

>can't use podman quadlets
any decent alternatives for this on guix? i might consider moving my server over if so

>>107037309
>accusing others of what you're doing
still mad?

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>>107037758
Well you can still manage containers fairly well using alternatives like docker-compose, guix system services, or shepherd service definitions. Would you mind sharing what exactly you need from podman quadlets? Maybe I can help

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>>107038131
Oni drunken sexo

guix system keeps crashing when reconfiguring

>>107011677
just another meme distro

>>107034870
>Still in 25.05
Nigga move to unstable

>>107039833
Neither guix or nixos are memes.

>>107039809
screenshot?

>>107012126
declarative config and rollbacks you drooling retard

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>>107040336
>The only thing I think that sucks about nix rn is the politics / drama
That's more than enough for me to switch to Guix.

>>107040336
most seething in that form is from those who try to harm the optics or downplay what they deem as their competition. this then causes counter-seethe, which is sometimes the intention (to shit up the thread).

>>107014172
I've used both and Guix clears by a long shot. More unified, polished, and much better documentation. No need to sift through half-finished troon blogs to get the information I need.

>>107014989
>"See? I did it with no problem! It just works!!"
>Ok, but can you do the thing that Guix specifically trivializes?
>"Why would I want to do that?"
IQ Filtered

>>107040336
>considering guix is based on nix's thesis
true
>even still uses nix daemon
https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2023/a-build-daemon-in-guile/

>>107041132
Has that guile daemon happened yet?

>>107041283
GNU Ares and GNU Arei are even better.

>>107037309
meds

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>>107040336
>The only thing
no docs
no defined goal
clumsy and buggy implementation
slow and bloated^
meme DSL
competent devs who actually cared about it got kicked out for no reason
experienced users barely know anything about it (let alone how it works)
more than half of all packages are broken (quantity over quality shines here)
the community is full of redditors and LGBT grifters

meme distro that's just going downhill (and has been for years)

>>107043929
>packages broken
this shit isn't true, so i question everything else you said.

>>107043929
This, also >packages are broken
I was so fucking dissapointed when I realized how messy packaging is on nix
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the package definitions were generated with AI

>>107044029
Try installing an unpopular/niche package

>>107043929
>no docs
>b-but the code snippet dump on some tranny's blog is valid documentation!

>>107044061
I do. My home manager config is a bit messy and aggregates like 5 years of software I needed. When shit breaks it's more often something popular.

>>107044088
>When shit breaks
The entire point of your distro is to prevent that from happening, ever

>>107044162
I'm not running stable usually when things break, and when they do the update cleanly fails back to the working config. If for some reason I end up with a bad config I pick an old home-manager gen or old gen from grub--which hasn't happened in .. so long I can't tell you.

>>107043929
Impressive, very nice... Now let's see guix

>>107044061

>AI
More likely the people writing them don't actually understand what they're doing because nix has no documentation. Lmao.

>>107044212
>no packages to be broken
>no users to even know if they work or are broken

>>107043929
>no docs
fair
>no defined goal
i think "declarative functional distro" is good enough, no?
>clumsy and buggy implementation
all big projects are like this
>slow and bloated
works on my machine
>meme DSL
fair
>competent devs who actually cared about it got kicked out for no reason
they weren't any more competent than the rest but whatever
>experienced users barely know anything about it (let alone how it works)
i'm not autistic so i just learned what i needed
>more than half of all packages are broken (quantity over quality shines here)
it's more like 20-30% and also it's better to have a package that may be broken than not have a package at all lmao
>the community is full of redditors and LGBT grifters
who cares
>meme distro that's just going downhill (and has been for years)
as opposed to your meme distro that's been going nowhere for years? lmao

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So guix is nix without the bad parts?

>>107044580
no. guix is based on the ideas of nix, but with all of the idealism that makes GNU distros like trisquel a huge success, and replaces systemd with a bunch of unreadable parenthesis.

>>107044580

Nix and GUIX are projects born from the same Doctoral paper written by a dutch computer scientist called Eelco Edolstra.

>>107044456
>nix troons unironically think this and say this

>>107044682
>>107044625

and how is that relevant to the question?

>>107044820
sorry, I'll try to talk down to your level. guix is full of it's own distinct bad parts.

>>107044849
290 posts and yet to see one.

>>107044862
then go use it you fucking retard. you're a grown man. you don't need to sitting around on an image board waiting for someone to tell you what to do. fuck.

>>107044945
I accept your concession.

>>107044952
oh i get it, you're a grown (wo)man.

>>107044974
>pedo lost the argument trying to defend his meme distro and now calls me a tranny in anger

I will use Guix when it gets a useflag equivalent

>>107044996
i use nix though. i'm the guy you were arguing with. i'm just calling you out for being a tranny who needs other peoples approval.

>>107046893
*not the guy

Of Nix vs Guix, which allows me to do the most of the following?
>always compile from source when possible
>set my compiler globally and per package
>change to my init system of choice
>set my libc
>boot using efi stub kernel signed with my own keys for secure boot

>>107044820
If Nix or GUIX have problems could be in part because the Edolstra Specification itself.

>>107047005
>always compile from source when possible
guix

>change to my init system of choice
neither, nix is stuck with systemd and guix is stuck with shepherd

>boot using efi stub kernel signed with my own keys for secure boot
nix with lanzaboote
guix has had an open pull request to rework the bootloader to support this for over a year

>>107047187
I'll keep an eye on Guix then, thanks

>>107019717
what's the use case for explaining my use case?

>>107047846
The use case is that I can help you clarify some questions about how to use Guix to perform the things you already do in Debian.

Is Guix seriously the distro that lets you do anything with ease?

>>107047005
guix to all except secure boot

>>107044580
Pretty much, yeah.

>>107044252
>a lie
>a lie
lmao

Nixos keeps shitting out errors whenever you install a package that doesn't have 10000 users

>>107044252
>no packages to be broken
guix has over 60 thousand packages if you use third party channels (which everyone does) and making your own packages is so easy a 5 year old could do it
>no users to even know if they work or are broken
guix has more users than nix does LMAO

>>107047049

GUIX solved the problems with the Eldostra Specification.

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nix still doesn't have any documentation so the learning curve is extremely steep compared to guix where everything is nicely documented with simple english

>>107044625
And how are 2 million lines of unreadable C with binary blobs any better?

>>107043929
>packages broken
this is because there was a troon in nix who would get high on adderall and shit out garbage package definitions all day long and it shows because you can't even install them KEK

DESU the only reason people say that nix has so many packages is because they include niche shit you don't usually find in mainstream distro repos so it appears big but really it's not much bigger than arch and this is coming from someone who used both nix and arch for over 4 years

>slow and bloated
yeah... that's a pretty common complaint unfortunately

I think it's not that big of a deal though because once you configure your system you don't have to do that many operations unless you plan on installing more software or updating often

>>107011677
>can't game
nothing is fixed

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>>107050181
https://gitlab.com/guix-gaming-channels/games

>>107050202
>Warning
The Guix Gaming Channels group does not endorse any non-free application.
We believe that this is non-ethical, harmful to software development and
restricts the users freedom.
See the GNU philosophy for a more thorough discussion.

lmao, does this shit even have a working steam package

>>107051717
cope
it just werks on my machine

>>107052167
can you answer the question, does it have a working steam package?

>>107052216
Sure
It's properly sandboxed btw (unlike Nix)
https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix/-/blob/master/nongnu/packages/game-client.scm#L112

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>>107052167
excuse me, xir your "machine" remembers the dot com bubble