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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600K, 9/7600X, 7800X3D
-Budget: 12400, 12600K, 7600X
Workstation: 265K, 285K, 9950X3D

*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, MX-4, Duronaut

>RAM
*Prices and therefore recommendations are for the time being in flux
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8gb (~$270)
-Used: 2060 Super, 2070, 2080ti
*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p

Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti

4k : 5070ti, 9070xt
-Native: 5090

*"Futureproofing": Nvidia gpus in general have been aging better than Radeon regardless of vram or marginal differences in raw performance

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), Gigabyte MO27Q28G or LG 27GX700A-B (WOLED)
4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
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>News & Rumors
Necroposting should be gone for now
RDNA 1/2 are losing active support
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Omissions
-9800X3D: Not usually a significant improvement over a 7800X3D in gaming
-RTX 3060: Contrast pricing with 2070 (similar performance, 8gb) and 2080ti
-7700: Region dependent, at ~$250+ you'd likely better served elsewhere
-RX 9060xt 16gb: Performance variable compared to 5060ti, buy only if $350 is the absolute max budget and you can't consider used
-RX 9070: Only worth considering if cheaper than the 5070

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>>107061936
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Nvidia drivers still not fixed according to Gamers Nexus
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>>107068733
Who?
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>>107068748
In their new arc video they still say Nvidia drivers are broken. Also this is still relevant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA
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>>107068733
>that feel when was using the same drivers for almost 2 years at one point
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>>107068733
>>107068781
My 5090, 5080 and 3090 work fine.
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>>107068781
>m.youtube
This is the Indian Radeon shitposter who posts third-world memes and copes.
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Anons, I want to buy gskill ram (F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5) and on Newegg its for $229 and sold & shipped by Newegg while on Amazon its being sold by a third party "Racerspeed INC" For $225.

Which site should I buy the kit from?
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>>107068733
The drivers work so bad that Steve could barely produce and edit the NVIDIA hit piece on his 5090. Quite a shame.
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I slapped a 9070 XT into my rig running a 3700X + 16GB RAM. What now?
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>>107068828
You play some fucking games you bitch. Congrats
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>>107068828
You download 25.10.1 specifically because 25.10.2 is a buggy mess and games just crash any time you try to use Adrenalin
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>>107068828
Download cyberpunk and enable path tracing to get yourself excited for another round of upgrades
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>>107068816
I never liked using them, but that is the "official" G.SKILL seller on Amazon. It feels fishy, but I had no problems using Racerspeed INC twice.
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>>107068833
Tried games the 2070super struggled on, been a blast. STALKER 2 confirmed most ass UE5 performance. They deserve an award for how badly the shat the bed. That said I am still enjoying it. Can't wait for the overhaul mods now that I can play at 60fps.

>>107068836
Will look into this. Thank you anon.

>>107068842
(〃・ิʖ̯・ิ)ゞ
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>>107068733
at least they might get fixed at some point
Intel's the sole reasonable choice now
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>>107068912
Yeah I don't know what's going on with their most recent driver but for me any game with Easy Anti-Cheat just hard crashes if I try to look at the in-game overlay at all, and I've been seeing a lot of people having driver hanging issues
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>>107068816
Buy this instead
https://www.newegg.com/patriot-memory-viper-elite-5-16gb-ddr5-6000-cas-latency-cl30-desktop-memory-white/p/N82E16820225357
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>>107068679
So now that AYYYYYMD rugpulled a bunch of fags, do I slurp up the dip on the GPUs
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>>107068679
Is a 5060 good enough for 60+fps 1440p?
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>>107069004
No one buys AMD so no one cares that a few dozen people got predictably scammed.
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>>107069004
you buy rdna4 or you buy nothing at all
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>>107069004
i wouldn't unless you plan to exclusively play on GNU/Linux and rely on Valve
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>>107069031
>5060
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>>107069048
what
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>>107069031
8GB of VRAM is going to cuck you when running games at 1440p
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>>107069031
>8GB GPU
>1440p even
Don't do it bro
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>not gaming at 4k with dlss or 5090
Lol poorniggers
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>>107069130
marvel rivals gameplay
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>>107069004
what dip?
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>>107069146
>>107069151
ok what about a 5070? I'll have to wait a few more weeks tho :(
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>>107069321

Tl;dr
Had case #1 with AIO mounted in front of the case with fans pushing in air through the radiator
GPU(4070ti)/CPU temps were always fine
Never even reaching anything worrying
GPU would only turn its fans to full blast during some AAA games that I tried playing with higher frame rate/no DLSS

Bought case #2
Swapped everything over
AIO radiator mounted up top now
3 front intake fans + 2 exhaust fans
Played same games
GPU still goes ape shit with the fans

So was swapping cases a huge waste of time
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>>107069387
is the AOI in your new case in intake or exhaust configuration?
new case may be blowing all the air over the back of the gpu since there's so much exhaust on the top and back creating a low pressure area
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these fucking prices..
for 1440p. gonna wait for black friday so i can maybe snag some of this shit cheaper
or take the L and just go 1080p so i can downgrade the card and maybe cpu
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>>107069408
Forgive me
I have 3 intake fans in the front
and 1 exhaust fan in the back
and 3 fans attached to the AIO and are intake (blowing air out up top)
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AMD drivers really suck, if I use anything other than the 25.4.1 drivers for my 9070xt I have lots of issues.
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>>107069446
next gpu im using is nvidia because i need nvenc
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>>107069424
You can get a CL36 6000MT/s memory kit if you need to trim costs; it's not that big of a performance hit if you're not planning to manually OC the memory.
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>>107069387
Which 4070 Ti card model is it? If you're not seeing any benefit from the new case, I'd return it.
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>>107069429
>intake (blowing air out up top)
so they are pushing air from inside the case through the rad to the top of the case? or from the top of the case through the rad to the inside of the case?
either way I would try swapping the AOI config because you can't really change the front and rear fans from being intake and exhaust, respectively
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>>107069485
yeah they are pushing air through the radiator and out of the case
I've already tried using a front config and this was my first time using a top config for my AIO
I'm believing swapping cases was pointless since it's pretty much the same exact temps yet there's more airflow in this new case
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>>107069503
an AOI in any reasonable configuration should be more than enough for most cpus, it just comes down to gpu which is a matter of case design as much as overall airflow
a case with good bottom intake fans like a fractal torrent will have better gpu temps than a traditional case with a power supply shroud on the bottom
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>>107069521
considering both cases basically performed the same
returning this case would be the best choice right?
although I get a better setup with the radiator being up top
my main concern was the GPU fans going ape shit
and like you mentioned, a better case with bottom intake fans will help out way more
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>>107069483
yep gonna re swap tomorrow and return
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>>107069446
Is that the best/most stable drivers for AMD cards?
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all this AIO talk reminds me
does orientation between
radiator at the front of the case with the tubes up top vs being mounted at the top of the case matter that much?
I see too many varied opinions online
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>>107069446
Same but nvidia, Im still on 561.09 from 9/11/24
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Just bought a 1tb SN5000 for $US 64.99 did I get ripped off
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>>107069695
tubes should go upwards from the cpu mount / pump if possible
if the pump is above where most of the water is (the radiator) it's easier for bubbles to go through the pump and ruin its efficiency
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>>107069704
If it was cheaper than the SN7100, not too bad I guess.
SN7100 1TB costs $60 in the US.
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>>107069387
Are you genuinely retarded or what? Better air flow in a case doesn't make your GPU run cooler under load. It's the same reason why engines on a car are fucking hot even during winter. All the heat is produced there and it take time for the heat to dissipate. The reason your GPU ramps up in games is because it's under load, that's fucking normal. The only time I would worry is when after 1+ hour under load and the temperature still increases.
If you don't want to hear your GPU's fans, then watercool it.
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>>107069750
Was 74-80 everywhere I looked
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>>107069756
Nope just wanted to try out a new config and see for myself
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>>107069762
Get MSI Afterburner and learn how to undervolt (+overclock) that 4070 Ti.
It will make your card run more power efficiently.

GPU Core offset can probably handle +120~150MHz, memory around +800~1000MHz in the main Afterburner offset slider.

Set a voltage cap between 925~975mV, the lower the more power efficiently it will run and generate less heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpW9yXHvOU
https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md

If that is too complicated to follow, you do the GPU Core & Memory OC I mentioned earlier, and set a lower power limit on Afterburner (75~80%).
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>>107069756
I have a fully air cooled build and the gpu fans are way quieter than the case and cpu tower fans even at 100% speed
only huge 350W+ gpus should be loud on air cooling
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>>107069808
I undervolted the GPU as my first step before I tried swapping cases. It was already at 80%.
I knew I could return the case if it didn't work out so I just figured I'd test it myself.
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>>107069826
It sounds like you have a dual-fan 4070 Ti; those have thinner coolers too.
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So i bought a 9600 (non X) and i can see the die temps hitting 95c with the stock cooler, for now i dialed down the PBO curve to not boost above 75° and now i can feel some micro stutters, i'm guessing i should get an aftermarket cooler right
i'm eyeing the be quiet pure rock black 3, it's pretty cheap and looks solid
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Friendly reminder I'm very happy with my m27p6 purchase!
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>>107069872
Join the aio gang and experience true gaming
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lancool 217 or antec flux?
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>>107069839
It has 3 fans.
But I've accepted that some games, I'll just have to use DLSS.
It's random games that cause the fans to go ape shit.
Old games like Dishonored 2.
New games like Stellar Blade.
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>>107069872
my dark rock pro kept me extra cool for a long time
great product
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>>107069872
Do not buy be Quiet CPU air coolers for AMD CPUs; their cooler designs prioritize Intel CPU cooling performance at the cost of poor AMD chip cooling.
Even $30 coolers like the A620 Pro can be better than the cooler you picked.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/be-quiet-pure-rock-pro-3-black-dual-tower-cpu-air-cooler/7.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bv7Tn4zqRc
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>>107068679
>Water Cooling
>wooden frame on big ass plastic+ thin luminum tower (starts making noises after a year)
>big tower in 2025
>consumer motherboard in 2025

It can't get more meme than that thing...
It's just sad.
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>>107069952
it's just a pc anon
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>>107069952
I like it
it reminds me of a speaker housing from a 70s hi fi system
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>build a much better rig than my old one, runs games with fps in the hundreds now
>barely played anything after the initial tests
Not a complete loss since my old gpu stopped working after completing the new pc but kinda feels like a waste.
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Why are you donkeys admitting you have a zoomer attention span? I've built a great 5070ti+9800x3d rig and I'm enjoying all triple A games of the last 5 to 10 years in 4k lustfully. Skill issue!
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I need the best monitor that's 1080p and not an oled
120hz at least but it doesn't need to be giga high
preferably around 27 inches
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>>107070020
Same. I built my PC 3 years ago, 14700k, 4080, and I barely play any demanding games. I sometimes play MMOs, like FFXIV but that's mostly it. I haven't touched any really demanding games in a long time. Mostly playing indie games.
I really regret spending so much money on my PC. I even went full white build, with a glass panel case and RGB. I hate how it looks now and I turned off all RGB that I can. I've been thinking of buying a 5U rack case and just shove my PC in my server rack so I don't have to see it anymore.
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My 9950x3d is going to last forever lol
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i don't plan to keep up with vidya soon so it's going to be great knowing all future devices will be able to play games from 2025 and before without issue
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>>107069031
as other anons mentioned the 8gb will have trouble keeping up with textures at 1440p
Consider the 5060TI 16gb version or a 9060xt 16gb
Should be about 120 or 90 extra $ respectively (roughly).
It sucks spending more but its money well spent, a 5060 for gaming will fall short too fast
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>>107069908
lancool 217
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I love RGB!
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>>107070125
I feel the same way about RGB, don't care about 'em and didn't bother plugging in the cables.
At least there's always a chance you'll want to play something which actually requires a good rig, and if nothing else, the smoothness and higher speed of the system is pretty gud already.
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>>107069357
Perfectly fine for a while
The best bang for your buck would be the 5070TI or the 9070xt
In fact on the price of a 5070 i personally would pick a 9070xt instead which should pbe priced similarly
But after yesterday's news any recommendation of amd has to be reconsidered a bit.
You'll be fine with the 5070, you'd be better with a 5070TI (which would be the top dog of 1440p and entry level 4k); and you ll be fine with the 9070xt but its amd and Lisa Hu might enter your house in the middle of the night and steal the support to the gpu in the next few years.
Let us know what you decide anon.
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>>107069551
nta
Does the new case have a psu shroud / bottom mesh that you can attach more fans to?
Those would blow air from the bottom straight onto the gpu, that might help
Do you have a fan curve for the gpu? At what temperature does the card start going into helicopter mode?
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not understanding why in rare scenarios the xtx would perform well at 1080p like this game
at 4k it's understandable with it's larger bus width
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>>107070215
same, you should come over so we can jerk off under RGB lights
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>>107070251
It does, that was going to be my last attempt before I returned it.
Going to try one fan directly under the GPU once I'm off work.

I set up the curve too and it seems like the GPU overrides any curve I set when it reaches a certain temp / usage % which is as soon as it touches 80c or passes 90% usage (which it rarely does)
It can be 79, 78, etc and the curve helps keep the fans at a decent volume but once 80c hits for even a second, the fans ramp up to 100%.
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How long do you think a 5070ti will last at 1440p with reliably 60+ fps? I'm fine with DLSS quality and turning down settings as long as it doesn't look like a total mess
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>>107070352
At max settings? 3 years or so
At medium/high settings just to play smoothly? probably 6 to 8
Its a card capable of doing decent 4k
It should be doing 1440p until the heat death of the universe anon
You will be fine
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>>107070352
Enough to last you 5-8 years which is the usual recommended time to upgrade from one setup to the next
I personally upgrade every 10 years

You'll be good especially if you don't mind using DLSS
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>>107070352
The 3070 still gets ~60FPS @ 1440p minimum and that card was released 5 years ago, so I'd say 6 years comfortably or 3-4 if it's AAA slop at ultra settings.
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>>107070273
Disclaimer im stupid and dont know shit
It seems like a decent point for the card to go full retard no?
If it reached 80º its probably still rising if the fans don't start to work
Which temp would you be comfortable with before the fans go in full speed? 90º?
Im just trying to learn, i have no advice to offer sorry
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>>107070366
>>107070377
>>107070382
Cool, thanks. Without my glasses on I can only barely tell the difference between 1440p and 4k at arms length anyway.
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>>107070385
Your gpu may be ramping the fans based on memory temp while you are looking at the core temp
if the core is hitting 80 regularly the memory may be 95+
either way that's hotter than I'd expect, should double check that all three fans are working and nothing weird is going on with the case
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Should I return my 5070 and get the 9070xt for 150$ more? I may have to pay a little fee for the 5070 because I've used it over 30 days. I'm happy with it though but the 9070xt is going on sale right now.
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>>107070400
do you need the extra 4gb ram? are you considering running linux? can you get a good deal on a high end 9070 like a sapphire nitro+? if yes then it might be worth it
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>>107070400
The xt is a better card overall (model depending) but thats something only you can really value, money is different for everybody.
That said in my country the cheapest 5070 is only 80$ cheaper than the cheapest 9070xt (553€ to 605€)
150$ seems steep
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>>107070400
>Should I return my 5070 and get the 9070xt for 150$ more? I may have to pay a little fee for the 5070 because I've used it over 30 days. I'm happy with it though but the 9070xt is going on sale right now.
The 9070 XT has ~20% more performance, but I doubt you'll spend less than 20% more with the extra $150 + Fees to make it worth it especially if you're already happy with the card as is. If you were gaming @ 4K it might be more worth there for the VRAM.
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>>107070415
>>107070417
>>107070422
Thanks. I play esport mostly on 1440p so the extra vram isnt needed but it's a stronger card that I can afford. I don't plan to keep the card more than 2 years anyway so this could be a sidegrade that I may regret.
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1440p 165hz+, some gamedev and gaming. Is a 5070 enough for now, I wanted to wait for the supers or next gen while holding a cheaper gpu for now, I save 250$
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>>107070484
Yes has been perfect for me while I wait for the super variants.
t. 5070 user with qhd/180hz
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>>107070444
I mean for 2 years i wouldn't bother
I dont imagine the 5070 struggling with anything in that time period enough to justify the 150$ and you can put these towards the next card
But you do you, live your life
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>>107070484
>>107070492
Supers are gonna release and get scalped to fuck and picked up at outrageous prices by people that have been waiting for extra vram that 90% of the time they wouldn't notice
I hope im wrong but dont expect the supers to offer a lot of relief to the market
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>pny gpu
ewww
dont buy pny and gigabyte
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>>107068679
i want to ask bros
what is the cheapest
CMR HDD AND SSD?
for llm purpose
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>>107070492
Upgrading from 5070 to Super is retarded as all current games work just fine on 12GB VRAM. I'm personally going to wait until the 6070 Super or Ti Super and then consider upgrading.
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>>107070555
I got my 5070 for $400 usd and it will probably sell for that much when the 5070 ti super launches which is the card I truly wanted.
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>>107070573
>USD
Makes sense, money in America is made up. Everyone earns a bajillion per year and tech costs half the price compared to Europe...
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>>107070543
>cmr ssd
and why would you use a hdd for llm purposes
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>>107070586
80gb for 1 model bruh
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>>107070588
and you want to be waiting 5 minutes for it to load?
just get a 4tb ssd
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>>107069466
I feel really bad for this guy, he has needed NVENC for months. Hope he gets that project done some day.
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>>107070595
ssd or hdd
?
ssd cmr doesnt exist?
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>>107070707
CMR stands for conventional magnetic recording, as opposed to SMR (shingled magnetic recording)
It does not apply to SSDs
There is a vaguely similar dichotomy for SSDs with TLC vs QLC, with QLC being slower to write and having less durability
But for the purposes of loading models, it doesn't matter that much - all you really care about is sequential read speed.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-cancelled-bmg-x3-x4-gpus-had-up-to-40-xe2-cores-512-mb-cache

512MB CACHE

INTEL WON
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Why has RAM doubled in price? I guess I should have gotten 64gb last year when it was cheap.
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>AMD dropping support for RDNA 1 and 2
>AMD announcing new GPU architecture for the future thus declaring their current GPU line abandonware
>AMD announcing new CPU with extra 3D cache for next year
>intel and Nvidia becoming friends and building new great things together
>Intel announcing new CPU architecture and platform for next year
>Nvidia Super series releasing next fall
>ram prices skyrocketing
>ssd prices skyrocketing
>new hardware on Linux being still bad
There has never been a better time than this for waiting to build a new desktop PC. I'm glad I haven't pulled the trigger for new hardware yet. I think I'll be enjoying my Pascal GPU, my i5-6500 and my 8GB of RAM till next spring or summer, when things and drama will have settled down and prices will have come back to normal.
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>>107071048
Are you implying things will ever get cheaper? How Naive. The best time to build was always a year ago. Which is next years now.
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>>107071105
nah anon dont worry the 5080 super will release for 500$ and enough units for everybody to buy 2
every other part will go lower on price too and your boss will give you a raise
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>>107071212
When I buy two will they bring back SLI and make it functional this time!
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>>107070543
Whatever is priced well. SK Hynix P41 2TB has a good price atm. UD90 for 4TB drives.
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>>107071048
>There has never been a better time than this for waiting to build a new desktop PC. I'm glad I haven't pulled the trigger for new hardware yet. I think I'll be enjoying my Pascal GPU, my i5-6500 and my 8GB of RAM till next spring or summer, when things and drama will have settled down and prices will have come back to normal.
If you don't play video games made after 2008, sure. Meanwhile, I have been playing games on my 4K 144Hz display for years now. With that old of a PC, I would have been missing out on that.
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>>107071288
Why are you going out your way to argue with poorfag cope? He can’t afford to change his mind.
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>>107071048
Zen 6 won't be cheap, and the X3D variants will take another quarter or two to launch.
Intel is launching Arrow Lake Refresh next year; Nova Lake-S is more likely to be a 2027 product.
RTX 50 Super is probably launching late Q1 or Q2 '26 .
RAM and SSD prices won't get better.
Watch ASRock "refresh" their entire AM5 board models near Zen 6 launch (to address potential hardware defects).
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>>107071048
Your life IS finite, time is running out
every time spent without your life ray traced is a life without it and value lost
Waitfag meta is dead, slavery meta in, burgerflipping meta in
just earn more money meta up
just buy a fifty ninety meta in
wagslaving as a westerner far outpaces any other strategy
you cannot wait for the storm to pass, you must embrace it fully
Scarcity mindset regarding money = NGMI
using a fifty aeons old pc is not it, man
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>>107071048
>Nvidia Super series releasing next fall
Damn they really teased the fuck out of everyone then pushed it back that hard? First it was this fall, then Christmas, then next year, now next fall? So when will they actually drop, Q1 2028?

> There has never been a better time than this for waiting to build a new desktop PC. I'm glad I haven't pulled the trigger for new hardware yet. I think I'll be enjoying my Pascal GPU, my i5-6500 and my 8GB of RAM till next spring or summer, when things and drama will have settled down and prices will have come back to normal.

Same boat lol guess I'm sticking with my i5 4590/16Gb RAM/750 Ti. Oh well, it more or less does the needful.
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>>107071726
>Damn they really teased the fuck out of everyone then pushed it back that hard?
i dont think they ever teased shit?
It was all just whispers and leaks (debunked)
Nvidia is in no hurry of competing against itself while Lisa Hu keeps doing their job for them.
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Nvidia Super would have been dogshit if it released.

>Drivers still broken on Windows and Linux
>Barely any fps increase just more vram for AI fags too poor to get a 5090 or get infinity vram from cloud far cheaper
>TDP increased from default to accommodate extra chips
>More expensive than previous cards
>Older cards don't go on sale because they purposefully discontinue the old cards not even a year or two old
>All that's left are used and abused cards with pumped out thermal pads and melting connectors
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>brand spanking new ANUS ProFart
>default Vcore 1.27-1.28
>spikes up to 1.37 in UEFI
>ANUS certified stock settings
how the fuck is this shit even legal?
latest UEFI, flashbacked before seating the CPU
everything works wonders but what the fuck are those defaults
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>>107072036
Planned Obsolescence
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>don't upgrade for over a decade
>buy a laptop
>it's light years faster than my old pc plus sub 100w
>just boot it up
>it works
tell me again why I should hate laptops
(this was me during 3000 series mining boom)
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>>107072144
No reason, that was always something only edgy neets said.

What I do hate, however, is big and heavy gaming laptops.

Prefer something light and then play games on the Desktop.
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>>107072144
If you're happy, I'm happy for you.
>What I do hate, however, is big and heavy gaming laptops.
Agreed
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So amd is backing down on what they said and cards will still get updates and day one patches and shit
Really interested on seeing how this ends up playing
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>>107072201
they did this same shit for am4
>hehe this is the last cpu and support we're moving to am5
>oops here's some more cpus and agesa updates
>actually we lied we're still supporting am4
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Should I go for a 32 inch monitor? Just for a standard desk setup, won't be far from it or anything.
32 sounds big but I thought the same thing about 27 inches when I was using a 22 inch, now I much prefer a 27 inch monitor to 22
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>>107072171
>people claim you need superduperspecs to run game
>literally plays all games at decent fps fine only problem if fan gets clogged and gpu throttles
>clean it out
>works again
sure some shit like RE4 remake has been starting to run not that good I forget the fps I think I tried the demo
most recent heavy games might be actually not that good

all low settings gang only go so far I feel cpu might need to be better because I feel it gets capped way too fast
but slow cpu with cl infinity ram only goes so fast

>>107072183
happy? no
but do I need more? not sure
do I want more? sure
but I really need to go all out this once, master
if it would be truly worth it
more on that later, I need more money
might buy a 10k command center once I move next time

>>107072219
32" up close is pretty big, not too large by any means
27" is pretty small like 24" almost
42" is perfectly doable
for context I just bought a 55" and will try it out as monitor
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>>107072036
Ok but where is the problem exactly?
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>>107072059
unrefutable point if I do say so myself
>Vsoc 1.25 default for EXPO @6000MT/s, readings vary from -0.1 to +0.2
yeah this chip isn't gonna see any PBO action ever
CO and manual Vsoc seems to be da wae wrt CPU life
fuck ANUS. At least the board itself looks S-tier
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Do poverty tier 32" QHD exist?
166hz+ IPS+ Cheap(ish)
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>>107072592
screens like the lg 32gs85q cost literally more than 4k 240hz qdoled in /my region/
the monitor market is retarded, volatile and full of retard shit
that specific niche you are talking about is kinda fucked and not full of any decent panels and you should just get 4k at that point also btw
I always preferred resolution over hz even in the crt days
I wouldn't

actually I just checked price and it's actually cheap on some retailers again, on LGs own website it's twice the price

but yeah if you must probably that one I guess
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>>107072630
That one would be 280€ here (same price as the 27" model, thats quirky)
That actually would fit the bill, i most likely will end up picking a 27" and calling it a day but i wanted to check the waters since i could fit a 32 on my desk
Gonna give it a think, thank you anon
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>>107072662
(me)
There is also a 140€ 27" ips 2k 180hz screen
It must be made with broken aids infested syringes for that price
Might buy that one too for a second monitor while i still think about the 32" one
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>>107072662
seems to be close in price on lgs site its like double
but for 27 you probably have other panels half the cost
but lg nano ips is probably better colors brightness blb everything
allegedely from reviews
the thomson (I almost bought) also very cheap here for me like 130€
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>>107072837
which amazon selling from another retailer is the cheapest one here, other retailers have the same monitor for 2x the price
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I’ve just finished upgrading my pc from a 6750xt to a 9070xt and added 16gb of ram to have a total of 48gb. Also had to upgrade PSU from 650 to 850 watt. Now when I play games, specifically elite dangerous or DCS, when I’m close to the ground in a plane or ship I’m getting a lot of static and audio distortion through my headphones. As soon as I move away from the ground the static stops and audio clears up. Any ideas on what could cause that? I’ve got a b450 MSI tomahawk max and 5700x if that matters. It’s started about a month after doing the upgrades. I’ve tried re-setting and cleaning my ram but it hasn’t made a difference.
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>>107072950
have you tried connecting the headphones to a different port (usb?) some of the new parts might be creating a bit of static near the port that is routing the sound?
I hate minor sound issues, they aren't enough to upend your stuff and halt everything until they are fixed but they remain annoyances forever
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>>107072950
>added 16gb of ram to have a total of 48gb
why would you do that
i would say that your IF is unstable
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>>107072963
Yeah I’ve tried the jacks in the back and front, no difference. It’s almost like when the gpu is rendering the ground for whatever reason it creates a huge amount of interference with the audio chip in board. It also passes through to my monitor (4k tv) if I play sound through that instead. I’ve got a light undervolt on the gpu and a moderate over clock on the cpu. I’ve also noticed that sometimes when I shut the PC down usb ports will continue to supply power, so my keyboard stays lit up. Doesn’t do it all the time, which is weird.
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>>107073012
Problem remains even when the extra ram was removed. DCS is ram hungry I was planning on buying 64gb kit but with the price of DDR4 now, fuck that. It’s all Corsair ram 3200 cl16.
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>>107073038
DDR4 3200 is a complete crapshoot, there’s basically a 0% chance those two kits have the same memory chips in them.
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>>107073055
So I found out what it was, I had installed a PCIE USB C adapter a 6 months ago that had gotten shaken loose during my rebuild I guess. Appreciate the advice though bros!
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is my i7-14700F good for a 5080/5090?
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>>107073242
What do you plan on doing with your PC?
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>>107073255
1440p ultra gaming
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>>107073242
Probably good enough
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>>107073242
Yes. Unless you want 3000fps. I still use a 12900ks with a 5090 and its usable. My target is 4k@120.
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285K for $150 or 9800X3D for $450?
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>>107072950
>added 16gb of ram to have a total of 48gb
not related to your problem but make sure you have this set up correctly
it should be 16+8/16+8
not 8+8/16+16 or 16+16/8+8
channel A and B should both have the same total capacity
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9900x is on sale for $360
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>>107073399
>285K for $150
Yes they should. I would buy all of them.
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still luv my 265k
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>>107072524
way too much stock/default voltage
look, I'm not asking for perfect ootb Vs for my bin but defaulting to that much when, for example, IMC seems perfectly stable at 1.16 at the same shpeeds is utter shite (3hrs in y-cruncher atm)
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>>107073488
of course you would
that title was so retarded i had to post it
then i pressed "don't recommend channel"
>>107073495
based 265k anon
>>107073504
Vcore comes from AMD, not ASUS
Vsoc used to be even higher before AMD put a 1.3V cap on it, i'll give you that
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>>107073399
14600k for 0$
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>>107073526
>Vcore comes from AMD, not ASUS
those Vcore spikes that match what would be perhaps used on max Scalar definitely shouldn't be stock behavior
they don't stick for long, usually for 2-3s but really make me doubt the qc
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>>107073600
samefaggo
not to mention now I'm kinda paranoid if I should now leave less important stuff on auto or manually test and set them to sane numbers
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>>107073598
yep, HUB already got their wish
>>107073600
you can check scalar yourself with PBO2 tuner or maybe ryzen master
AMD boards aren't allowed to enable PBO by default, at least in theory
>>107073627
auto core voltage / LLC is always best on AMD
the boost algorithm is tuned to a specific loadline slope
greater LLC causes clock stretching
shallower LLC causes unnecessary voltage spikes
feel free to set everything else yourself
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Is this a good PC to start learning blender and other similar stuff? It would mostly begin as a hobby, but I hope to get a better PC in the future
>CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 / 5600X (6 cores, 12 threads, up to 4.2 GHz)
>GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 3050 Ventus 2X OC (6 GB GDDR6)
>RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3600 MHz (2×8 GB, Patriot Viper RGB)
>Storage: 512 GB NVMe SSD (Patriot P300)
>Motherboard: MSI A520M-A PRO (AM4, Micro-ATX)
>Power Supply: MSI MPG A550B, 550W, 80+ Bronze
>Case: MSI MAG FORGE M100A (ARGB, tempered glass, good airflow)
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>>107073696
How much?
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>>107073708
760$
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>>107073696
>AMD Ryzen 5 5500 / 5600X
these are two very different chips
i assume this is a prebuilt and they'll just give you whatever they have in stock

i wouldn't be happy with 16 GB RAM/512 GB storage either, you can live with it i guess
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>>107073721
>760$
Pass
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Why the fuck is core tuning level 2 worse than legacy
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For immediate context, my monitor is 2560x1440@144hz, I'm not really concerned about budget, I just want to avoid spending unnecessarily, and I live in the USA. My use cases are gaming, large image editing, large video editing, and other regular daily task stuff.
I don't know what kind of motherboard I need.
I've heard names like "B850," "B850E," "B850F," "B650," but I have no idea what is good for my purposes.
Can anyone look at the parts I've chosen so far and let me know what they think is reasonable for me and my use cases? I want something that's reliable and won't cause hardware issues.
Feel free to tell me if there's any better alternatives to any of the parts I've chosen so far, too. I'll figure out a case and PSU at the end. This is the fourth time I've built a computer but every time I never know what motherboard to use.
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>>107073184
>dude came posted his problem
>got a couple of unrelated advice
>fixes the problem randomly
You just needed the excuse to tinker with the case i guess
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>>107073676
>feel free to set everything else yourself
will definitely tinker with more stuff during some other planned downtime. Gotta figure out reasonable Vsoc and CO this weekend
>the boost algorithm is tuned to a specific loadline slope
sounds sane and actually believable
Will have to scrap some old SATA SSD for a dedicated Win11 boot drive in order to use the much more comprehensive monitoring software
the Loonix kmods would likely break my setup and cba to properly integrate them in
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>>107073806
I feel a strong urge to shill the 265k
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>>107073977
I prefer to only use AMD GPUs and CPUs but thank you
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Should I wait for the AI bubble to burst before making a new build? Im a 1080 waitfag btw not sure if that matters.
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>>107073696
sure ot's fine as entry level
though i'd try to get at least an 8GB GPU (4060 or 5060) and 32GB RAM soon after
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>>107074046
Patch notes hit a long time ago, waitfag meta is dead
burgerflipping meta buffed and the new meta
get a second job and buy into the 5090 gpu housing market
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>>107073806
Cpu is fine as a catch all gaming/productivity
No way in hell im paying 130 on an air cooler but thats me. I pay 50 for a Phantom spirit and if thats not enough i'd just buy a good AIO
You should check on forums of the programs you use while editing how the 9070 performs
I know for example that ppl in here use to say that amd is weak on Blender. And goes without saying that you should pick the 9070xt
Mobo 650 and 850 (860 870) are just the 2 current motherboard lines for ryzen cpus on AM5.
Basically the 850 will be more modern with native faster PCIE and overall (usually) more modern wifi usb ports etc

I made this mockup list, im not in the states so i limited it to amazon just in case, feel free to shop around and im sure some other anons might comment on it.
We both picked a fairly bottom of the barrel build of the gpu, feel free to spend an extra 50 or so and get a better model if you think its worth it.
Still misses case and psu (850w+)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtggVF
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>>107074046
>AI bubble
>burst
lemme be blunt for a sec. The first company/conglomerate who solves reasonable AI and thus, perpetual training is going to unlock unlimited workforce
whatever comes after that is pure speculation
>upgrade
upgrade if needed and if at least twice the performance
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>>107074046
Frankly depends on your budget and needs.
You can put a more than decent rig now for 800 or so and then depending on your budget add whichever GPU you can afford and end with a decent machine.
I dont think waiting is gonna help.... ever again. Maybe give it a think now and check prices on black friday but dont expect to wake up tomorrow to a headline of "all tech prices reduced by 50%"
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>>107074046
the bubble will not burst until someone wins the AGI race and nobody will win it any time soon

I would advise you acquire as much hardware as possible before years end
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How much money to spend on each component for a futureproof build
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>>107074193
There is no such thing other than a 1600w PSU.
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>>107074003
then you’re making a bad build for video editing because AMD sucks at that especially their encoders, I’d want the intel iGPU minimum, AMD consumer parts are gaming only
>>107074085
a 9070XT is inferior to a 3060ti in blender
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>>107074257
>a 9070XT is inferior to a 3060ti in blender
Hence why i mentioned as i have no idea on the subject but then again the anon asking might be using other software(s) for which amd might be not as ill advised
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>>107074257
The issue is many apps simply refuse to support AMD CPUs to the point where even if you contacted the devs once you tell them you are using AMD CPU/GPU they will tell you to fuck off. For example AVID doesn't support anything AMD at all. It might work, they don't care if it does or doesn't. Blender's support remains a joke.
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>>107074293
buying an all AMD system for productivity tasks is frankly retarded fanboyism, it’s AMDs critical weakpoint at the moment, at minimum I’d want intel quicksync or NVENC
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>>107074310
Then dont reply to me, reply to the anon and give him a pcpp list that you think might be better
I just play videogames and watch porn
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>>107074310
if it's code crunching AMD is better specifically the 9950X or Threadripper
if it involves media at all then AMD is much worse
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>>107074085
Why did you select that memory specifically? Is the difference between DDR5-6000 and DDR5-6400 negligible?
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>>107074083
>>107074101
>>107074126
>>107074164
Hmmmm yeah I think I will ... keep waiting. 1080 still runs my source engine slop just fine.
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>>107074710
6000/30 is the sweet spot for memory on AM5
It should always work with any mobo and lines well with the cpu clock for the 7000 and 9000 series
So a 6400 kit might be faster (ever so slightly) but might (might not) require some fine tuning on the bios
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>>107074792
thank you!
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>>107074788
Best of luck anon
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>>107074085
One more question, on PCpartpicker it says the estimated wattage is just over 500, where are you getting the 850w+ number from? I'm used to getting bigger PSUs than I strictly need but I'd like to know the logic here
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>>107074854
Not him but an 850 cost minimally more and gives you room for upgrades.
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To those of you with a MAG B650 Tomahawk, how's BIOS version O treating you?

I'm currently on version E. I once attempted to upgrade to a newer version (I think the newest at the time), and it caused a thing where waking up from sleep mode made my PC blue screen after a few minutes.

Then again, I was also on legacy boot. Maybe that had something to do with it. Even though I'm on UEFI now, I was never in much of a gambling mood.
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First time building my PC since 2001. Haven't been using at all. Worked only on macs and linux, mostly work and programming, never been a gamer (besides Diablo II which I ran on Wine). Finally decided to build something since I had some spare cash. Tried looking for decent build first, but got horrible headache of all the drama with these fucking tech youtube channels so I decided to figure it out on my own. Of course didn't want to spend too much money, but wanted something decent. USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 was a must. Also fast storage. How did I do /g/?

>CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 7600
>Motherboard
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
>RAM
Corsair VENGEANCE 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000MT/s
>Storage
2TB Samsung 990 PRO SSD
>GPU
Palit GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Infinity 3 16GB GDDR7
>PSU
Be Quiet! PURE POWER 12, 750W, 80 Plus Gold, Black
>Case
Be Quiet! Pure Base 501 Airflow, Black
>CPU Cooler
Be Quiet! Pure Rock 3, Black
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>>107074957
>Haven't been using at all.
Should read - Haven't been using Windows at all.
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>>107074854
What the other anon said, right now a 750w is cheaper than 650w (in a lot of cases) as they have become the standard.
850w are on a similar boat that are just ever so slightly more expensive than 750w and allow for a bit of extra headroom
You probably would be fine with a 750w and this thread has a tendency on overshooting on the psu but it will be just a bit more expensive and it can only help.
Nothing wrong if you decide for a 750
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>>107074957
>Of course didn't want to spend too much money
>buys expensive shit
You could get a cheaper motherboard, RAM, storage, CPU, CPU cooler. Don't fall namebrands.
For motherboard you don't need to go for an ATX build when you only need one PCIe slot, go for a mini/micro ATX or something instead. And ASRock brand isn't that bad.
RAM, don't buy Corsair. It's so overpriced.
Storage is the same, Samsung is overpriced, you don't need that 990 PRO.
The CPU cooler could also be cheaper.
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>>107070251
>>107070273

Update:
I installed a fan right under the GPU over the PSU shroud. Tested the fans at low, mid, high speeds.
It definitely cools the GPU by 5-10 degrees. Before it was sitting around 75-77c while under load.
Now it'll sit around 65-68c which is great but my GPU will still reach 80c when it reaches around 90% usage during short bursts of heavy load while gaming and the fans will go ape shit for a few seconds then calm down.

So it seems no amount of new cases, extra fans, or anything will help this 4070ti not sperg out.
It seems it's really reliant on DLSS to not reach that high usage percentage and not reach 80c.

The only upside with this new case is that I can finally mount my AIO's radiator at the top of my case unlike my previous case, where I had my radiator at the front of my case with the tubes up top + no other intake fans since I had no room.

Debating whether it's worth keeping this new case just over this aspect.
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>>107074957
Where are you and whats your budget?
The other anon has a point that some of your picks could be switched by cheaper sensible replacements even when i dont agree on the mATX mobo that he proposed, but thats a personal peeve of mine.
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>>107070990
AI data centers planned for 2026 are strongly affecting HDD and RAM prices. Also SSD prices, but maybe not as much (yet).
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>>107075133
Better overall temps can only help, and depending on the amount of money you paid for the case i would just accept it and move on instead of moving all the shit back to the previous case.
I asked you something on the previous thread, dont think you answered me.
You mention the card starts going apeshit at 80º, when would you want it to start going all out with the fans? dont you think that 80º is a good point to start trying to curb the temp raise? If the fans were to start on full throttle at say 90º wouldnt that be "too late"?
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>>107075113
>>107075137
There were more pricier options for these parts and I thought I was getting a good deal, didn't know I overpaid. To get the biggest case and board was my conscious decision, I wanted enough room for whatever I might want to add or to tweak the cooling.

>Where are you and whats your budget?
Eastern Europe, the whole thing cost me 1400 eur

But for the storage I looked everywhere and that 990 pro was the fastest one. Didn't want to cheap on that. Could've gotten a different RAM though...
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>>107075285
Okay so thats already bought and paid?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with your build its just that there were cheaper options (availability in your country pending) that probably you would have never noticed a difference.

If im to critique the parts i would have gone with a 9600x which is 25€ more expensive on my country than the 7600 and maybe a cheap b850 board which might have been another 20 or 30

Again absolutely nothing wrong with what you are getting. Its just that it probably could have been a bit tighter.
Enjoy it anon
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>>107075177
The case was only $79.99 which isn't breaking the bank

I have the fans set at 70% even while the temps reach around 70-75c.
The fans are actually not loud at all around this speed and the GPU maintains it's temp fine.
It's only when the game demands more from it and the usage reaches past 80% that the fans turn up faster. It doesn't matter what I set the curve on in the program, the GPU overrides this and turns on the max speeds.
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>>107074788
holy shit you just reminded me I ought to play the Crack Life remasters
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>>107074788
>I think I will ... keep waiting
you are not a waiter, you are use it until it breaks and then you will be forced to buy shit person
I did that exact routine
but.. it all stems from poorfaggotry
try to not be poor
that or you have zero interest in fidelitymaxxing
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I might've applied a bit too much thermal paste to my CPU and now it's at 60 degrees idle, why? (AMD 5800XT) The CPU fan is literally at full load. I live in a hot climate but right now it's only 28 degrees

Is it possible for thermal paste to go bad?? I used one I had stored for quite a long time but it didn't feel weird or anything
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>>107075622
Forgot pic.
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>>107075622
my first suspect is ALWAYS not fully screwed cooler
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>>107075652
hmm might be i'll check
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ddr5 ram is so expensive now that maybe I shouldnt buy a cpu from aliexpress after all
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>>107075622
There's no such thing as too much thermal paste.
1. Make sure your CPU cooler is properly making contact. Tightly screw your cooler. If it's an AIO make sure the pump is working.
2. Make sure your system doesn't have a virus. Boot in safe mode to check.
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>>107075438
This happens to retard redditors who don't research the best PSU and connector to use with a high powered card. And don't know how to connect shit in their build properly. PC builders in 2025 are 85% mouthbreathers

t. 4090/5090 chad
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Does anyone ITT use an unintteruptable power supply? Does it reduce PC crashes at all?
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>>107075652
>>107075729
I just took out the cpu fan and somehow the cpu was also stuck to it
Now I see a bunch of bent pins in the cpu
I will legit kill myself right now
fuck i hate my life
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>>107075756
crashes? my PC doesn't crash
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>>107075756
the power grid is stable here so I never really needed one. Isn't the point of an UPS that it prevents possible data loss on a black outs since you can turn the PC then off?
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>>107075765
fuck
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>>107075756
a UPS isn't going to fix your bios settings
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>>107075765
twist the cooler before pulling the cooler away from the board
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>>107075756
If crashes are due to power issues. I UPSed everything after outages n surges corrupted ssds. I never cared because power was stable for years but quality has deteriorated like society has
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>64GB of DDR5 ram is now 500 USD
I don't feel so good.
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>>107075864
>people who want a lot of ram for local LLMs are upset ai demand drove prices up
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>>107072219
>Just for a standard desk setup, won't be far from it or anything.
If you're not at least 24" from it, it's probably going to be too big.
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>>107071048
>prices will have come back to normal.
You mean ever-increasing with each gen?
>>107075873
I just hope I don't have any RAM failures anytime soon. Or ever.
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>>107068679
I can’t get myself to pull the trigger on the 5090.
My brain keeps telling me it’ll tank in price the second I buy it.
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>>107076023
just buy a 5070ti or 9070xt and wait for next gen cards (or for the AI bubble to implode tanking hardware prices)
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>>107076023
already dipped below msrp here compared to peak it was 2x as much lol
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>>107075756
I use a UPS, it doesn't fix crashes. All it does is it keeps your PC running when there's a power outage. If your PC crashes while you still have power in your house then it's a different issue you are having.
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Fuck I didn't want to but I played some Battlefield 6 and after years of not playing any shooters I want to get back into them. All my shit is outdated especially my 1080p60 monitor.

What PC build and peripherals do I need now to get into shooters?
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>>107075643
Why is this covered in cum
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I'm gonna get a barebones 'MINISFORUM UM890 Pro Mini PC' and I need to pick out the ram. I know how desktop ram works and assume it's the same for mini-pc's. I'm looking at 2x16gb DDR5-5600 SODIMM CL40, which I assume is the best but I'd like confirmation
any other things to look out for with this mini-pc in particular?
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Thoughts on this?
It's extremely outdated. But I don't need a strong system when I just want to run my NAS. I need ECC memory which means I need a Xeon CPU and board. DDR3 doesn't bother me, I am not running anything in it that requires fast RAM, I am limited to HDD and network speed first before RAM becomes the bottleneck.
At least 2 x8 PCIe lanes (1x16 and 1x8) is also good, my bare minimum but I don't think I'll even be running any more than that. 6 SATA ports is a bit low but I could always expand.

There are newer boards out there, but I plan on sticking to X10s since X11s are still fairly expensive and pretty much gives the same features (ECC, at least 2 PCIe lanes in x8 or more and multiple SATA ports). The other X10 boards gives DDR4 memory, more SATA ports, and at least 1 more PCIe slot but the prices pretty much doubles.
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>>107075780
>>107075795
>>107075831
>>107076274
I ask about a UPS because on the last two computers I owned (both while living in this house I'm living in now) I'd get crashes while playing games that are GPU intensive, my computer would basically completely turn off but the fans would keep running and I'd have to reset it. I discovered that reducing my GPU's max frequency stopped the crashes in almost all games except one. My theory is that the GPUs were trying to pull more power than my house could supply or something. In both cases I had PSUs rated for one or two hundred watts higher than necessary, so I don't think they were PSU issues.
Considering I experienced the exact same crashes on two different computers made up of all completely new parts, and the only thing common between these two computers was that I'm still living in the same house, I think it's related to my house. Please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere, I'd love to fix this.
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>>107076147
Everywhere available to me is still like $2650
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>>107076290
read the recommended requirements? they're pretty accurate.
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best case for a backpack mp3 player?
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>>107076342
You're dumb.
Power goes from your house, to your PSU, to your GPU. You said underclocking your GPU fixes the issue? Then look at your PSU. Does it have enough wattage to power your system? If it doesn't then even with a UPS and a shitty house (highly unlikely) it won't fix your issue.
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>>107076337
also does it matter if it's two sticks or one (2x16 or 1x32)?
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>>107076338
stop buying ewaste
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>>107076342
if you believe so did you try them connected to a different socket/power board in a different part of the house? amp loads?
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>>107076385
One of them had a 1000 watt PSU for a 500 watt computer. I got such a retardedly big PSU for my second computer because I thought it was a PSU issue at first too.
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>>107076390
Yes it does matter and you want 2x16
the double dose give you double speed at double rates DDs
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>>107076290
>What PC build and peripherals do I need now to get into shooters?
9800x3d+5090+27/32" 4k 240hz QDOLED is the Optimal BF6 setup, seeing as you cant hit 1440p500hz and the slower nature and fps limits

>>107076350
rip
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>>107076290
>>107076290
>All my shit is outdated especially my 1080p60 monitor.
>What PC build and peripherals do I need now to get into shooters?

>200€ poverty tier 1440p 166hz 2k monitor
>1300-1800€ computer (depending on what you want)
>40€ mouse
>Any keyboard
>Any headphones
That about it i would say
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>>107076392
X14 boards are too expensive. I ain't spending money on that.
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>>107076403
cool
I know that for desktop it's better to have two (and not more) but I have no idea how laptop/mini-pc ram works, can't hurt to ask. the chosen speed and CL is good too? 5600 CL40
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What are some cheaper SSDs around 1TB I can use as a secondary drive? I can sacrifice some transfer speed for cost, no DRAM is ok. They can be M.2 or sata, doesn't matter (sata is probably cheaper)
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>>107076342
as the other anon said this reeks of an overloaded PSU
always overshoot when it comes to the wattage. Moar expensive upfront, sure, but also likely w/ much better components that are going to last longer, paying up for the extra investment. Think 5-7 years into the future
>t. 9950X3D + 5090 on 1600W BiSonic
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>>107076445
>sata
I dont even think that is cheaper or viable
at this point dont u just get a p3 plus or nv3 or some shit?
bonus meme they are single sided too afaik
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>>107076457
I'm really min-maxing my setup. Maybe sata can be more reliable at a simimar price
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>>107076473
the won't be more reliable I've been through enough dead shitty chinese SSDs to vouch for that

If you go the Sata SSD route the Samsung 870 EVOs are the only ones worth buying now since Crucial killed the MX500s. Don't get the BX500 it's complete crap too.
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>>107076473
>minmaxing
>sata m.2
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>>107076445
team group, wd blue are good. always get tlc at least never qlc
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>>107076500
How is the Adata SU650?
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>>107076514
That's a nice coincidence, the cheapest 1tb ssd in my area is a wd blue 2.5", new in box
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>>107076290
if you are asking earnestly how about you tell us what you have, what you want, whats your budget, where are you etc
if you just wanted to whine thats cool too
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>>107076560
is it sn5000? they are the newer better ones

ssd tester is a good site for ssd stats and ratings
https://ssd-tester.com/western_digital_wd_blue_sn5000_1tb.html
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>>107076430
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeServer/comments/18znvaa/ryzen_cpus_support_ecc_memory/
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>>107076632
It's this one, for 220 ron/50 usd, still in the box
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>>107076707
Problem with using AMD is that not all the old boards supports ECC, I don't want to research each and ever single one.
Second, I need the IPMI. I forgot to mention that. I will not be adding a GPU so I need some way to do maintenance on it through my main PC.
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>>107076338
X10 is about the bare minimum you'd want.
I use the same board on my router and an LGA2011 one in my NAS, when the BMC is updated you get the HTML5 remote control so it works on a modern browser.
The board I got from plusbaords was fully updated.
I used A-tech ECC RAM and it seems fine.
I think it's a decent deal if you want a board with server features. Once you use a BMC/KVM you won't want to go without.

Worst comes to worst, you replace it quicker than you intended, but what the fuck it's $80 once you factor in more RAM, you'll spend more on everything else.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pn6wxg
this is my current PC, I built it almost two years ago.
I was thinking of switching my GPU with a better one, I'd go with a RTX 5060ti, and installing a new dedicated SSD to put my vidya in.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QMCx74
Any thoughts? Is there something I could do better? I'd also like to get some monitor recommendations.
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>>107068679
Look at the beauty—the majesty of them.
I never feel bad spending $400+ for the desktop Intel flagship because of this.
This tech is definitely aliens right?
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>>107076710
ok so sata ssds you're looking for
https://ssd-tester.com/western_digital_wd_blue_sa510_500gb.html

they are the last wd sata models. I used a bunch of the older ones that were basically sandisks when wd purchased them. they are good. $50usd is the price before the recent jump. If they are still that cheap in romania I would get as many as I can afford for future proof
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>>107076748
>I don't want to research
lmao just buy a mac
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>>107076787
all chips look like that. Yes, it's demons*

*cia
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>>107076865
>all chips look like that.
Not really. At least AMD doesn't post nude die shots like that and they're not as symmetrical or beautiful. Obviously this one isn't colored.
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lads should I buy this then down the line upgrade the gpu and psu
https://www.newegg.com/abs-cyclone-aqua-gaming-desktop-geforce-rtx-5060-intel-core-i7-14700f-32gb-2x16gb-ddr5-1tb-pcie-ssd-ca14700f50603-black/p/N82E16883360913?Item=N82E16883360913&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options
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>>107076912
ask the prebuilt PC general
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>>107076912
Probably, right now it’s genuinely cheaper to get a prebuilt
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>>107076772
>if you want a board with server features
I don't really plan on running a server or any VMs on it. I just need a dedicated NAS, OpenMediaVault with SnapRAID. Or maybe UnRAID, but I hate their payment model.
I have a ThinkStation P510 with a Xeon 2690 v4. It run's Proxmos baremetal and OMV in a VM. I really want to migrate my NAS out of Proxmox. So I'll have a dedicated NAS and a dedicated server.
And yeah, ~$80 isn't that much considering my PSU and case are $150+ for each.
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Really wonder whether I should try out VA/IPS + MiniLED stuff or stick with a classical IPS+200Hz and more refresh rate.
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>>107076780
>I'd go with a RTX 5060ti, and installing a new dedicated SSD to put my vidya in.
You said SSD but added an nvme, which is probably what you meant
I personally would buy a 1 TB nvme, or skip the drive altogether (as in postpone it) for now and put that money towards a better GPU than the 5060TI
While its an upgrade over your curent gpu its also just about the lowest gpu on the totem pole and you are sure to outgrow it.
But if you can't swing it or if the extra drive is mandatory then just ignore me, the new GPU will be a big upgrade either way. The rest of your build is very solid to the point that the 3060 seems out of place
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>>107076780
>I'd also like to get some monitor recommendations.
Thats out of my depth but i just went to pcpp checked the boxes of what i wanted (2k 166+hz ips 27" [or 32?]) and then went one by one checking the ones in my budget.
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Are there any monitors that look as good as cellphones?
I can barely read chinese characters without making everything size 30 font. But on my phone, everything is clear.
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>>107077048
I think you should get a GIRLFRIEND.
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>>107077112
Sounds like a waste of money.
I think you mean WIFE and CHILDREN
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7900XTX is actually good now. Requires some tweaks but once you dial them in its good.
>>107077109
OLED displays are basically giant smartphones
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I would like to caution everyone that AMD GPUs really seem to be mediocre for anything related to AI right now.
You might see something like "DirectML" and think your AMD card can do the same tasks just a little slower than a Nvidia card with CUDA, but everything is just solidly worse.
Stuff just doesn't work or isn't supported, while the Nvidia boys get all the best official and community support.
Just got done wrestling with openAI's whisper and trying to get some basic transcription done...had to fallback to the CPU because it just doesn't work.
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>>107077109
you just want a high DPI screen
27" 4k is probably your best bet, you can get higher DPI than that but they will tend to cost a lot more
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>>107077139
You should consider these:
https://www.printables.com/model/372475-pc-case-feet-human-foot
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>>107077171
amd is mediocre in everything except gaming
a 4070 beats a 7900xtx in blender
nvenc shits on amf
nvidia gpus do everything amd does but at lower power draw
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>>107077171
Yeah it’s dogshit. I run an AI site and got all excited when they came out with a datacenter GPU with specs of it being at least on par with [whatever NVIDIA GPU was SOTA at the time]. Straight up did not hit their public benchmarks and had all kinds of issues even getting it running. It’s not worth it.
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>>107077014
>>107077048
Thanks for your suggestions anon
As for the GPU I don't mind staying low, I don't have any particular needs. I just needed something better than my 3060 that was up to current standards.
Anyway, I'll also look up for better GPUs than the 5060 and give it a thought.
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>>107077309
No it doesn't lmao

Blender benchmarks use scenes that are efficient. If you're a normal person you will very easily soak up all your vram.

nvidia cucks out on vram, perhaps so amd can stay relevant.
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I didn't want to start a fight, just grossed out that my AMD card has 16GB of VRAM and it can't run the model I want lol
Will definitely keep this in mind for a new build
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>>107077452
you bought amd gpu while wanting to do local AI?
go sub to a service provider I guess
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nvidia this amd that
can we just have hardware that's worth the god damn price point
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>>107077465
AMD
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>>107077465
currently thats 5070 or 5070 ti for most people

I guess its a shame the low end doesnt exist but thats a problem with bidens weimar and tsmc hitting physical limits for node shrinks
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>>107077459
Oh no, this was from a build years ago
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>>107077465
midrange stuff is still a good value, you can buy a very powerful pc with quality parts for around $2k
the issue is that both the budget and high end market are fucked
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okay hows this now?
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>>107075831
Where are you?
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>>107077465
Maybe if/when the AI bubble pops but otherwise, no probably not.
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give me one reason not to buy this monitor
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>>107077782
why not get the ti
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>>107077782
Is this system being ordered in Denmark? Budget and usage case?
If you can find a 7800X3D for much cheaper that's usually the better buy at it's only ~5% slower on average. Either way, you can run the chip with a cheap dual-tower air cooler instead of AIO.
Do you have already applications that you know can take advantage of 64GB of RAM? If not 2x16GB is more than plenty if just gaming/general desktop stuff.

This would be my recommendation (found a 9070 XT for not much more than the cheapest 5070 that has much better perfromance w/16GB of VRAM):
https://dk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vhfWHW
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>>107078063
waiting for 6000 series or supers
>>107078134
SE, 3000€~, 9800x3d and im waiting on 5070 ti super or something later down the line, i dont like the bulkiness dual-towers give, i do alot of gamedev and production stuff 32 on previous system felt abit short and price isnt that different. got to stick with nvidia for compatibilities.
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>>107077994
I'll give you two:
1. For $5 LESS you can get a BIGGER HIGHER-RESOLUTION panel if you don't mind 100Hz:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/306498279659

2. If you do mind 100Hz, you can get a 1440p@180Hz for only an extra $28:
https://www.amazon.com/ARZOPA-2560x1440-Computer-Adaptive-Sync-Response/dp/B0D2W7LCN9?s=electronics
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>>107078178
>>107077994
how do these compare to the AOC 24G4?
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>>107078178
wouldn't a 1440p screen be worse if I never actually hit that resolution
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>>107077994
I just don't trust noname brands like this to not die after a few years. I got a chinese monitor a decade ago and it got burn-in despite everyone telling me that LED monitors don't get burn-in. Meanwhile I've had an LG monitor that's been perfect ever since I bought it half a decade ago.
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>>107078150
>SE, 3000€~, 9800x3d and im waiting on 5070 ti super or something later down the line, i dont like the bulkiness dual-towers give, i do alot of gamedev and production stuff 32 on previous system felt abit short and price isnt that different. got to stick with nvidia for compatibilities.
Alright, but I still say the 7800X3D is the better buy:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/29.html

As for AIOs, the Arctic LFIII PRO is tuned for hotter Intel chips and is subotimal for hotspots of X3D dies. Your best bets are any of Thermalrights options (doesn't matter which), the ID-COOLING FX360 PRO (currently OOS in SE) and the ENDORFY Navis F360.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHCPsM5ECw

For storage those are your best buys kr/GB that come with TLC NAND for the NVMEs endurance and CMR for the spinning disk performance.

Edited PCPP List: https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dx47Kq

>>107078191
You can pretty much guarantee they'll either be the same at worst or a little better as 24" panels are always the last size monitor makers spend any R&D money refreshing so they tend to keep using older-gen panels to scrape margins. 27" 1440p is where most of the mainstream competition is.
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>>107078241
>I just don't trust noname brands like this to not die after a few years. I got a chinese monitor a decade ago and it got burn-in despite everyone telling me that LED monitors don't get burn-in. Meanwhile I've had an LG monitor that's been perfect ever since I bought it half a decade ago.
Jokes on you, LG doesn't even make LCDs anymore as they've sold all their own plant assets to fund their OLED expansion:
https://www.oled-info.com/lg-finalizes-sale-its-last-large-area-lcd-fab-tcl-csot
There's no such thing as a "Name Brand" LCD anymore. They're all made by the same 3-4 Chinese OEMs like BOE, Innolux, CSOT, etc. So the question is do you Chinese Panel Rebrand A for $100 or Chinese Panel Rebrand B for $150? That's how you shop these days especially at the lower-end.
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>>107078309
>>107078309
>>107078309
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>>107078206
>wouldn't a 1440p screen be worse if I never actually hit that resolution
Just reduce some settings. Video and desktop/text usage is so much better with more physical and digital real estate to work around in.
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>>107077401
AMD has cucked VRAM compared to what NVIDIA offers this gen, NVIDIA offers double of what AMD can offer
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>>107077383
The 5060TI will do you fine, its main selling point is that it will take you to current generation
Frame generation, DLSS4, and just going by my gut maybe a 30% or so increase in computing power.
Just wanted you to manage your expectations if you want to keep up with the more demanding games



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