How long do you guys think 4chan saves your IP/Information?
I think chinkmoot is too cheap of a guy to keep it saved forever so maybe a month or so after inserting it directly into NSA's database
>>1071742534chan servers are already backdoored by the NSA. All the other governments can buy the entire database from the admins for a sum total of 1 dollar and 12 cents.
There are hobbyist projects that store every post ever made here.What do you think is happening within organization whose entire point is storing it Another EU win where this is illegalThe rest of the world is becoming so dystopian so fast
>>107174253forever, the hack/leak showed they had persistent ban info on ips lasting years and admin notes tied to them
>>107174253What do you think would happen if all posts along with IP addresses were released in a data breach?
>>107174316Storing a post is not the same as storing ip information you braindead nigger.
>>107174316I dont care about the Post itself, I care about Personal Informations like IP adresses relating to posts
>>107174347I mean that bans are Stored is pretty self explanatory but what about normal posts
>>107174316> What do you think is happening within organization whose entire point is storing itThis guy has never heard of an archive.
>>107174360The normal posts are not stored. The IP tied to a post is stored forever. And any notes/ban history tied to that.Im not even sure if a post is saved for the duration of a ban.
>>107174283Basically this. To save storage space they delete it, but they send a copy to whatever glowie wants it first.The 4chan hack showed that there probably wasn't that information to steal else it would have been leaked.
>>107174348So do what do you think? How Long ? Days Weeks Months? Gone After a thread is gone?
>>107174369They probably only store the IPs of ones that are banned or have note. Every IP not banned is probably removed since even an IP/postnumber record would get massive.
>>107174377true, if you never get banned or noted, you may not be saved at all. If you clear your cookies you go back to the "new poster, wait 5000000000 seconds to make a thread" logic, so that implies they are not watching your ip on their side at all if its not already in a list for some reason
>>107174369And what would they do with an IP Record without a corresponding post?
>>107174348you would need to prove to me that I was actually the one using this internet access to post
>>107174253The question is how long are feds able to ask for your IP
>>107174393track unique users, track unique users per board, track unique users over time, track user habits and ad engagenement, masterbate, who knows
>>107174377>>107174371There are not that many IPv4 addresses. It would be trivial to store all of them and associate them with post numbers.
>>107174413But there are many IPv6 Adresses
>>107174399Given the recent breach I actually thought about this. For glowies: It's easy. They can just check your ISP's logs. For schizos: They would start with a post that they think is you, from post style, or an image md5 or some other thing (common in generals where posting style is habitual, or generated content such as game screenshots can be narrowed down), and then find the IP for that post and check all thers. Read every post and find anything that's personal; like "I bought a ps5 yesterday" and match up everyone else who bought aps5 on that specific day or talked about it. There's more and I'm simplifying but you could trace entire posting histories through IP changes by overlapping the posting histories.
I doubt 4chan saves all this data willingly.I also doubt 4chan has enabled logrotate on their webserver500 trillion gigabytes and growing!
>>107174419They are a small minority of internet traffic. Not enough to make a difference. The vast majority of people are still accessing the internet through an IPv4 address.
>>107174371The dumbfuck doing the leak did not dump the database.But you could see in the code that all the IPs to their posts were always stored and there was no expiration time there.It would have to be some other pruning script somewhere else.
>>107174747Do you really think that 4chan stores IP data Indefinitely?
>>107174369>get into an argument over retro consoles in /vr/>turns out to be a janny>in rage at losing the argument xhe bans you>now you are forever marked with some bullshit excuse Wow
>>107174863>>107174253/g/ showing their incompetence once againIf a thread gets more than 3 global rule reports of a certain type then all IPs in the thread get logged forever
>>107175804>source: I saw it in a dream
>>107174253Like everyone: Forever.>but the privacy policy!Yeah I'm sure they go through all backups and diligently delete all your data.
>>107174253>Once a post is pruned of deleted, it is removed from out web server.This is bullshit. I was once banned for a "troll" post made in a thread hours after the thread was deleted.
>>107174316> Another EU win where this is illegalI had a private discussion with a high-ranking police officer just yesterday.We talked about exactly that topic.His conclusion:> Yes, it's illegal.> Yes, we do it anyway.>>107174863Yes, infinitely. Once a day, IP addresses are rotated in our country, and statistical IP addresses must be specifically requested. When I wanted to post something the other day, I was suddenly permanently banned because I allegedly posted something related to CP in 2018. I got a random IP address with a ban. Absolutely no one deletes IP addresses because no one forces them to. Why should you delete them? People love to have power, and data is money. The more data, the more money. And who would give that up for moral reasons?Kindergarten
>>107176318*static ip, fcking auto correction
>>107174253forever once it goes through the glowy cutout
>>107174253>How long do you guys think 4chan saves your IP/Information?On the FBI servers?
>>107174443There are ) uses a 32-bit address space, which provides a total of 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addressesThere are 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 IPv6 addressesThe IPv6 model allows and expects every device to have MULTIPLE IP addresses. Using v6, every single poster can have more addresses than there have been posts, on the internet, all of it, ever.Just randomize your MAC every morning and you're golden
>>107176629Wow another fucking IPv6 apologist who doesn't understand IPv6 prefixes, how original.
>>107176657>IPv6 prefixesyou can set to whatever the fuck you want>bbut da law saysyou're the client. send whatever you desire. grow up
>>107176792>gets filtered by isp with criminal charges pressed the day after
>>107176818worth it :)
>>107176792>IPv6 apologist>negative understanding of networksWow that's a new one. Not.
>>107176857Honestly, why bother understanding, I just sign up for a new """free""" VPN whenevr I need a new IP and it just works™
>>107174253REAL ANSWER: like 3 monthsPROOF: 4chan has been subpoena'd a bazillion times and every time all the legal documents published always mention 4chan providing like 3 months worth of logsI don't remember the exact duration but I am sure every document I saw said a few months at most. Regardless if you really care you can now confirm this yourself
>>107176318>Yes, we do it anywaySadly this is how Europe operates. We make lots of bureacratic laws and then don't follow them, and when the public decries this fact they fire some department head somewhere (who really is just recycled into a different state position)
>>107175804Any evidence for this?
>>107174253
>>107174253Use Tor browser to post through one of the 4chan proxy sites (if you don't know what I'm talking about then lurk moar). This will anonymize your browser fingerprint and IP address.Click the "new identity" button in Tor browser every 1-2 hours to make your posts/activity even harder to correlate.
>>107177003you have JS enabled in Tor? weirdo
>>107177013Use Whonix to project your machine from dangerous JavaScript.
i use my neighbour wife errr wi-fiand during COVID i went on a spamming spree of sharing reddit screenshots, prolly spammed over 1,001 threads before IP was banned from uploading picsthat was years agoIP range still banned !!!
>>107176990Why didn't he do it?
>>107177046Wouldn't have changed a damn thing.Most bans are 3-day.
>>107177046Because permanent bans are exceedingly rare and at this point honestly just belong in a museum.t. lives with CGNAT and in 20 years I've seen one banned IP assigned to me that had a permanent ban for posting CP 15 years ago.
>>107177059They keep track of past bans, and will punish you if you have too many. That's handy for repeat offenders who ARE breaking rules and disrupting conversation, but then the question rises if such a power has been abused.
>>107174253They don't have to save anything because the Alphabet agencies log all that directly.
>>107174253forever, or until another hacker breaks into their freebsd 9.0 server and " sudo rm -rf /* "s it
>>107174300someone needs to feed the jannies
>>107177424unless bugmoot already had it updated to the newest version (14.3)
>>107174253I wouldn't worry about it.:)
>>107174253>4chanHowever long your ban is>glowniggersForever
>>107177181To add, I haven't been given a 'X previous bans' reason myself, but I can tell they keep track and levy bans as they see fit, depending on how cranky the mod is that day.Ban reasons don't even have to fit the situation nor the punishment. I once got a /mu/-specific ban reason, yet the ban applied to all boards, all for mocking a spammer who never ever gets banned. Square that circle for me.
>>107176990>banned users>9.9gbHow many people/IP addresses is that?
>>107177974says right there its 10 million rows.unfortunately we don't know the actual schema, they may be able to put range bans in there as well, in which case it can be even higher.also some rows may be just inactive bans kept for logs.
>>107177046>could've saved sakurafishso sad
>>107174348All your posts would be bundled together as one identity, and that identity would have an associated region with it, but not a very precise one.One post in isolation having an IP linked to it is no big deal. It's the fact that all of your posts can be bundled up into a single identity that is a problem.>>107174431>For glowies: It's easy. They can just check your ISP's logs.That wouldn't work. Your ISP has records of you visiting 4chan, sending packets back and forth from 4chan, but without breaking TLS they can't tell which posts are yours. Only the site admins (and anyone else with access to the site logs) can know which IP made which post.SSL actually came about to stop this exact thing (and MITM more generally, which this is a form of).When browsing history and post history comes up in court, it's because the prosecution have been able to access the person's computer locally and read their history and cache, or they raided the offending site and got access to their logs at an earlier point. It's not because they crack TLS.
>>107176947The one real answer in this shit heap of a speculation thread.There's probably some minimum they have to keep to meet some guideline they have to meet to be able to show they are responsible if they're ever in court, which they meet and maybe add a small margin.
>>107177181>but then the question rises if such a power has been abused.it isn't a question. it has been constantly abused since the beginning.
>>107174431>For glowies: It's easy. They can just check your ISP's logs.i can't imagine being this fucking retarded and not knowing how the internet works in current year of our lord. jesus fucking christ read a fucking book, nigger.
>>107174253At the very least, IP information is:- saved for as long as any of your posts exist,- saved for as long as any of 4chan's backups that contain your posts exist, and- saved forever if you were ever banned (they record how many bans have been placed on your IP).
>>1071744194chan went out of their way to block IPv6 access in cloudlflare.
>>107180108What does that mean?
